Mass-Market Tarot De Marseille, Important Decks from the Modern Era
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024
- A ramble on Mass Market TDM and it’s history.. My absolute top MM TDMs decks of all time 😀
*for a more accurate and updated description of Grimaud tarot and history see my more recent video entitled “Paul Marteau and the Ancien Tarot de Marseille” on my channel.
Sherryl Smith Article on Piedmontese Tarot History
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Conrad Steyn Arnault on MPC
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More info on Arnault 1748:
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Here is a walkthrough of the original Paul Marteau Grimaud deck by Anne Robinson:
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Keep in mind a lot of this history is given from my memory and some of it may not be 100% accurate.. I apologize for any inaccuracies.. I do my best:)
Thanks for watching!
I recently bought Jodorowsky's deck which is now reprinted in France. I love the color palette, those dark blues and dark yellows (orange). And judicious implementing of the color purple. I love Ben Dov's deck for the more purple colored blues and simplicity. Lo Scarabeo's T de M is lovely and pleasing as well. Those three are my current favorite mass market T de Ms.
Thanks for this wonderful video, Justin.
My first TdM was the Le Veritable by Hadar. The card stock is a let down for what it cost. My favorite is the jodorowsky because of the vibrant ultra marine almost purple design on the backs, second is a vintage Fournier Spanish tarot. I have really enjoyed listening how you explained each deck according to the history. My next deck I would like vandenborre version. I love the checkered borders….
Justin I could listen to you talk Tarot history all day! Thank you so much for recording this! I LOVE the colors in The Spanish Tarot - especially the Tower and the Moon. Oh boy and the pips too! I really need to listen to and take notes! Your memory is brilliant. Oooo Tarot classic - love those colors too. Ahhh the old ways...I agree about the JJ Swiss the clothing does look more Italian The only one of these I have is the Piatnik - I need to step up my game! Thank you again so much for this. You are a Tarot gem. : )
Thank you Jillie! Glad you enjoyed. Hope it was helpful for you to decide on any. And thanks for stopping by my friend 😘You too are a gem
So many beautiful decks! It was fun to hear all the history behind them. You made me order the Arnault Tarot de Marseille from MPC. The linework and colouring in "Le Véritable Tarot de Maseille" and "Paplo Robledos Tarot de Marsella" looks amazing. I´ll be looking out for those two decks on internet. Thank you so much for this video. I would love to see a second video on Italian decks.// Love and light from Sweden 🙏✨💖
Thanks, Justin! So many decks.....so little $. It's always a pleasure to hear and see your presentations. Your enthusiasm is contagious. And your replies to the comments are always so gracious.
Thanks Frances!! Sorry for the delay. My new job is stealing all of my free time 😅
Nice show! I love my CBD. I've recently added Symbolic Tarot of Wirth and Dame Fortune's Wheel Tarot by Paul Huson to my collection. Both are TdM inspired. Though the historical Wirth deck originally contained only the majors, I got the version by Lo Scarabeo with added minor suits. I find the artwork pleasing to look at and meditate on. Huson's tarot is very much a hybrid containing many majors that would fit in with the Marseilles tradition, but with Etteilla-inspired, fully illustrated minors. I loved seeing the decks in your collection. I could see myself getting a few of them eventually.
Hi, love the video and your channel, just wanted to add some personal thoughts regarding Jodorowsky and Ben Dov decks. I felt that Ben Dov’s book is good but is just a simplified easy to follow distillation of Jodorowsky’s teachings and removed most of the sexuality that Jodorowsky includes. Also I will never understand why someone would claim to restore the Conver to its original but in the end still alter the facial expressions to smiles thus changing the feel of the entire deck from what made the Conver deck special in the first place. Pablo robledo had stated that Conver faces are the best and most important feature, I think he gets it right, his is my favourite deck. Pablo also follows Jodorowsky but has since evolved with his own personal style whilst preserving the historical flavours of marseilles.
Thanks John.. I guess I should finally read Jodorowsky’s book.. I do know Yoav was a student of his.. I don’t really read in that style so much. It comes out a bit when I’m reading Marseille but I rely on numerology a lot and archetypes. I know that’s controversial among some TDM peeps 😂 Also I also don’t consider his deck a Conver anymore myself. I used to. Hand drawing a wood block deck changes the feel for me. Even if it’s copied exactly by hand. I more or less have a sentimental connection with Ben Dov. It was my first. That’s why I made sure I said “some people consider it a Conver” 😂 I was trying to be polite. I do find Ben Dovs decks charming. I feel the smiles add a nice touch while keeping most of the canon in tact. But it is its own thing.
Personally my favorite facial expressions are Pierre Madenie. Nicolas Conver is up there too. Do you have the Poncet Conver? What are your thoughts on that deck. My favorite Conver is the Camoin 1880. Thanks for stopping by and sharing thoughts John!! I always appreciate hearing things that add to the discussion 😀🙏
Thanks for this. I am really interested in that Ignaz Krebs Tarot printed by Piatnik. The majors remind me of Dodal, while the minors look like Madenie. I have only 3 of those, Jodo, CBD and my favorite Grimaud. Mass production decks are great, they’re usually affordable to replace and easy to find.
Thanks Shelly
I’d be interested to see you do a walkthrough of Piatnik
Is always great to see your historical reviews of the decks 👍🏼👏🏻thanks 🤗
Thank you my friend 💙
I enjoyed looking at your classic Marseille decks very much. The Fournier vintage colored TdM deck is actually the deck I learned with in the eighties and I am still very attached to it, I love the colours (and the Bateleur's moustache 😊 !) and still use it. So thanks for showing it, you don't see it often!
My favorite of all times is the Madenié because of the expressions on the faces, they are so exactely spot on! The Angel Tarot is a great modern TdM. The New Choice is a very clever recentely created TdM as well. I like the fact that it manages to completely respect the classical TdM while adding some subtle changes, the Hermit being an Indian sadhu for instance.
The Jodorowsy is the one I use most with clients, because I like to explain the meanings of the cards to them with the image of the card. I think it’s the deck that makes this the easiest. (and Jodo’s « le tarot des chats » is Marseille based and works wonders with children!) His book « la voie du tarot » is the absolute best book about TdM nowadays, I think, hugely popular in Europe among us Marseille users. Thanks for this video, I always learn a lot from your deep knowlege of Marseille decks 🙏🙏🙏.
I love the Jodo deck! It’s such a great edition with beautiful colors.. Not too familiar with his work and philosophy tho. Thanks for watching my friend 😀
This was fascinating! Certainly some decks I have never heard of. Thank you for the sharing your knowledge with us.
Thanks Kelly Bear!! I’m sure I didn’t get everything right but hopefully close enough! 😂 Thanks for watching my friend 💙
Great presentation! I wanted one Marseille-type deck for my collection and I got the Robledo Marsella. Same as you, I didn't stop at one. LOL Patrick Valenza has gotten lots of people, who might not otherwise be, interested in Marseille with his Trionfi series. You're right, I hope this trend continues! :-)
Love the Tarot Classic - my brother bought me my copy when I was about 14. He got it from a car-boot sale, it still has a little white sticker on it with the car-boot sale price - 20p [pence] ! :D If memory serves me right it is based on the Gassmann c.1840, Switzerland. Muller took it over and started publishing it c1870s. The Tarot Classic is a direct copy of the Schaffhausen. The Swiss IJJ was created by the Swiss cardmaker J. G. Rauch c1830s, whose company Muller took over in 1838. My copy of the Tarot Classic is the 1974 deck, it says on the back of the box "based upon original woodcuts by Claude Burdel." I believe Kaplan repeats this error in one of his Encyclopedia volumes.
Thank you soo much for watching my friend..
Thank you Justin. Wonderful presentation of old TdM.
Thanks Nancy!!
I agree about the return to historic tarots. I so welcome they are my favorites. I wonder if we are picking up on our past lives when we so love these historic tarots. I love to look through them and it sort of relaxes me to view them.
Great video, thank you Justin! Just confirming it was Kaplan that mistakenly said the Tarot Classic was based on Claude Burdel. This is printed in the LWB with the deck and also the larger stand-alone book Tarot Classic.
Yeah I went blank on the details. I mean the name on the 2 of pentacles says the right name. That’s odd. Thanks for clarifying🥰
🎉Great - Thank you very much🙂👍Greetings from Germany🙋♂️
Thank you, great video!
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching 💙
Great ramble. Love it.
You are fast becoming one of my favourite providers! I love your content ...your knowledge and passion is exciting and really pleasurable to watch. I am going to do a video myself on tdm soon and I will definitely shout you out and on IG ! I am looking forward to watching more of your channel. You are a delightful young man...thank you for your love of these beautiful decks 🙏♥️
Aww thank you soo much for your kind words. Means a lot. I will keep an eye out for your video. 😘💙
@@justinmichaeltarot ill keep you posted but you must have a huge fan club already...are you on ig ?
@@madwitch9977 I’m not on there often. I need to do that more for sure.. thank you 🙏
Just picked up the new 3rd edition of the Hadar TdM (Le Veritable Tarot de Marseille). Love, love this deck - the colours are incredible and all the facial depictions are so expressive. It's replaced all the other TdMs as far as I'm concerned.
How is the cardstock? I’d it the same as the one I showed in my video? Not sure if I showed both of my Hadar decks in this video. Hadar TDM Is superb!!
@@justinmichaeltarot 3rd edition has the same laminated cardstock as the 2nd edition which I don't mind. However, both the 2nd and 3rd edition have richer colours than the 1996 original. The 3rd edition is very affordable.
I own quite a few restoration decks from Reynaud and Flornoy; the Jodorwsky TdM, The CBD TdM and several others. For actual readings in the Open Reading style championed by Ben Dov and Camelia Elias, I prefer the Hadar.
Watched it twice, back to back! Thank you. Only have the New Choice and CBD in TdM. Amazon save and compare is now loaded up w/ the Universal (Lo Scarabeo), Fournier-Jeux, Fournier, Hardar, and Vieux Monde Express 1930.
For fun, I added the Marseille Cat Tarot. Have wanted a cat tarot for years but have not found one I like enough to buy. Maybe this one 🤷♂️.
Decks live in Save and Compare or my Evernote wishlist until I cannot not buy them or I lose interest and delete.
beautiful decks
Just what I need...and can afford :)!
Indeed!! Although some of the vintage decks can get pricey. But if you are patient and keep an eye on eBay you will find them inexpensive 😜 Thanks my friend 💚
It is Alejandro Jodorowsky (Not Joe Dorowski as the key moment time clips are labeled)... it is worth reading the beginning of his book on tarot and his description of how he created it. Ben-Dov was a student of Jodorowsky at one point.
Great video Justin. Love all the history. I still just have Peterson’s Noblet and a Sopafino (I know…it’s Italian, but so beautiful). I still have yet to find a Dodal that all the Marseilles tubers have reached a consensus on…and I really prefer a small deck…so if I I like a deck but it’s too large, I simply won’t reach for it. I’ve been thinking of Conrad’s deck. I stick to numerology and elemental (suit) associations (that’s what a deck of cards is right?), but I would like to get Ben Dov’s book one day in order to gain a more Marseilles specific point of view. Anyway…I’m all over the place. Love your interviews and tarot history videos. I’m still holding out for a Justin Michael deck. Stay well. ☘️
Thanks Barbara🙏 im glad you enjoyed.. I’m still trying to work out the details with my deck. It’s been a lot of experimenting really. I like the Dodal from Sullivan Hissman. That’s one of my absolute favorites. Thanks for watching my friend.
Great video! I have some of the decks I with I could have a Piatnik😔. I didn't understand or maybe you didn't say it, what is the inspiration for the Tarot Classic? I think the booklet says sonething about Burdel but taking with Pablo Robledo he explains to mw that it isnt a Burdel
Love your historical talks on TdM. A great
Modern TdM scholar. I was surprised that out of the decks you shown there was only two I don’t have. Pablo is one and Hadar was the other. Do you have a timeline video? Showing from the beginning to present?
This was a great vid. Thanks Justin :)
Thanks Richard!! 😘🥰
I loved watching this. I have many of those you showed and mentioned. The Piatnik is one I do want .. but I chose the Tarot de Rivesaltes instead ..maybe I can sneak it in hubby's amazon basket 😏
Thank you my friend. I’m going to do a part 2 of this video I think ;) ☘️
I love this video
One of the biggest differences with these cards is the ace of cups. I really like the round shaped cup for the ace card. What are your thoughts on the different styles of that card?
I don't know much about TdM (I've always read with RWS). Have you ever heard of a TdM deck called Gassman TdM??
Kaplan did 4 Encyclopedias on the Tarot, you know? Also do you notice where there are major changes in symbolism like the 3 streams becoming 2, or making the couple in the Sun card male & female, (their most likely Emathion & Memnon). Have you also noticed that the Marseilles Fool is an example of self-reference in that a card has a face & a backside? The Pope usually has one person with his arm pointing down on the left (why the hat, there's a reason), then the Pope giving the sign of blessing & the person on the right with arm pointing upwards, there's a similar symbolism in Mithraism
Where is Vicente Molina 's deck 😘 ? His deck is very talented and unique.
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I couldn't find any reference to Marteau's book in English. Maybe not on the market yet?
Anne Thanks so much.. I was able to see the link you shared in my notifications but when I came here it was give.. please feel free and share link. I would love to see it! Thanks again for watching my friend 💚
Yes it’s available somewhere it’s just a bit pricey. I’m waiting for digital version to come out
@@justinmichaeltarot ruclips.net/video/1-3zBtWIrNE/видео.html
Sorry if you already saw this. Mercury retrograde has really tripped me up lately!
Here's a link to my comparison video of Marteau's first edition. I think you'll like seeing the original side by side with the later printings. ruclips.net/video/1-3zBtWIrNE/видео.html Thanks for this great mass market showing! Anne
Unless you managed to fork over the $700+ for that Dusserre on ebay, we are even for the decks you showed we both have.😊
My collection grew. I am going to have to do a video for 2022. I have a few vintage Grimaud and sone new releases 😂
There is a Marseille deck I want to get but can't find it with the same colors but maybe you would know? .. Could I have your email address so I can send you the Google pic of them? I want to be able to find the exact deck with the exact color. I would really appreciate any help.. the deck looks older and the Death card has a cream background.
Sure my email is listed on my profile. Tarotbyjustin@gmail.com
@@justinmichaeltarot Ok thanks a lot! I will send it to you now. My name is Mary Rose.
Since when were Jupiter and Juno non religous figures. You mean figures that wouldn't upset the Catholic Church . Jupiter and Juno are most definetly religious .
That’s true. Though there probably weren’t many people in Switzerland still worshipping Roman and Greek Gods in 18th century. I did mean to say Catholic.
@@justinmichaeltarot Well you have me thinking now was it for the Catholics or to make the deck more appealing to Protestants . Which begs the question what country did the 1st Jupiter + Juno originate .
@@mattlestat2703 I think I read that it was originally made in predominantly Catholic regions in Switzerland but were well received by Protestants. But according to Dummett (if I’m remembering correctly) it was produced initially in Catholic areas. In France the Catholics still preferred original characters for the most part
@@justinmichaeltarot Thanks Justin . I found an article on Tarot Heritage that favours the protestant idea . This is why i cant read tarot cards . I keep getting sidetracked with their history.
@@mattlestat2703 yes I remember reading that article. That may be where I read about Protestants adopting it.. It’s funny because someone else was asking me about Swiss Tarot today.