Sorry, I can't agree at all. This sentence is too simple! The truth is: Liszt was born in Raiding, which is in Austria. The time he was born Raiding was a part of the Hungarian kingdom, a German cultured village close to the Austrian border (which was no real border, just like the border between England and Scotland; Nebraska and Kansas or Bavaria and Hessen). His parents were Austrian, his mother Barbara Schlesak was from Krems, lower Austria, and his father Adam Liszt from Edelsthal. They all spoke German, never Hungarian, Liszt didn't know to speak Hungarian. When he became old, he learned Hungarian with difficulty, but was never able to speak the language fluently. He liked to call himself "Hungarian" on a whim, but he was only Hungarian by birthplace, never by culture. From his culture, upbringing, ancestry, Liszt was Austrian, and his native language was also Austrian / German. He received his musical education primarily in Austria (Vienna) and from Austrians (Adam Liszt, Carl Czerny, Anton Reicha), later in Paris, France. His music is never Hungarian, (but it has Hungarian, Austrian, German, French and Italian influences). His first contact to Hungary and Hungarian culture was as an adult, when he came to Budapest to give a concert. And Chopin was half a French, his father Nicolas came from Lothringen, (today in France) became a citizen of Poland and brought the french culture into the family. Chopins mother Justyna Krzyzanovsky was polish, and Chopins music includes both parts: french and polish, with italian influences (Chopin admired Bellini and Donizetti) and Austrian elements (waltzes). It was funny that Chopin never knew the french language perfectly, though his father came from Lothringen and Chopin lived half of his life in France.
All Chopin needed to move your deepest emotions and make you feel feelings you didn’t know existed, was a piano. That’s how great he is. That’s why musicians around ages and throughout time regard him as the continuity of Mozart.
if it comes to Chopin you have to be aware that it wasn't Paris to form him as a pianist, it was Poland, its villages, landscapes and culture what inspired him (sorry for my English)
Chopin was indeed formed in Poland that's for sure, but he would've never ever become such an artist without France. France gave him all he needed to become the master he is and develop his art.
@@logannslm1593 I mean what did France gave him except from place to live in and and asylum to flee from war in Poland. Little known fact Chopin wanted to run away to Italy in the first place but it was impossible due to some issues
I love so many different styles of music from metal to classical. But Chopin’s music is what moves me the most. I absolutely love EVERY NOTE of Polonaise Heroic in Ab. It’s perfection.
From a person who doesn't study classical music. Just an ordinary listener who enjoyed listening to these great musicians. I vote for Liszt. I don't know why but Liszt and Mozart's music makes me want to listen to them more and repeatedly compared to the others. If you gave me an explanation why the others were better, I won't understand because I just prefer what I prefer and that's the same with the others, at least I think. Not everyone will study and understand music. Some just wanted to enjoy it without having any thoughts about the interpretations, theories, etc.
A think Liszt's unplayable stuff is unplayable because it's nonsensical garbage. Did he know what a key signature was? Seriously a chimpanzee could have written some of that shit, though some of his stuff is really good, so he must have known at least something about music.
Master ! You're Videos are so awesome and so inspiring , I'm living in Egypt , in a poor neighborhood , Where You cannot even taste the meaning of the art of Music , You did make Me work and buy a piano to play some of those beautiful pieces , and try to apply the Technics You teach Us at Yours , anyhow , Thank You for being Here :) .
First off, both composers were geniuses. And yes, a good overall comparison is that Chopin was more effeminate while Liszt was more masculine. However, quite sadly, most people only know a handful of pieces by Liszt, and many of those being his dazzling showpieces. The Hungarian Rhapsodies being such an example, as used here, which is not only unfair but unfortunate since this is what helps to misinform the masses. One only needs to listen to 'Au lac de Wallenstadt' or the intro to Liszt’s Piano Concerto No.2 to see the workings of a tender, dreamy artist. More importantly, those that say Chopin was more original certainly have no idea of the far greater influence Liszt had upon the course of music and music history. One only needs to listen to his pioneering Faust and Dante symphonies to see the pinnacles of the Romantic era, while Liszt’s late pieces set the seeds for the Impressionistic works of Debussy, the Atonal works of Schoenberg, while his paraphrases helped to spawn even the basic improvisational elements of Jazz. So, while Chopin certainly wrote works of great beauty and charm, Liszt was the pioneer that spawned numerous other musical genres and was far more influential and versatile, writing works that were raw, brutal, dazzling, yet also romantically tender, triumphant, transcending, mystical, and spiritual as his oratorios and masses attest. In essence, Chopin was a delicate earthly flower, a beauty to behold that is easy to please the masses and be savored, while Liszt was a Promethean thunderstorm that opened up the heavens and brought divine light upon the earth, from sheer radiant beauty to pioneering pyrotechnics to even reminding mankind of the tempestuous terrors of Hell. For more info google the Franz Liszt Site
I absolutely, deeply, hugely love and adore everything Chopin. I like some of Liszt works, especially Mazeppa, but apart from Chopin, my favorite piano composers are Rachmaninov, Scriabin, Medtner, Schumann, Brahms, Beethoven, Debussy and Duke Ellington. I like things that totally, mysteriously hit my heart like they’re killing me, those things are more than music, they totally make you forget the technique and virtuosity of it all, they’re just pure emotion. With Liszt, it’s too often about technique and skills, IMHO. I sometimes imagine Chopin writing Etude op 25/12 for instance, telling himself “I’ll tell my piano the things I used to tell you, hear the fire in my chest, see how it’s consuming everything, destroying me” Then I imagine Liszt before writing a stunning piece, telling himself “let’s show these people how good I am”... I know I’m overdoing this, but I think when it comes to Chopin, nothing compares
Mazeppa is in my Liszt's top 5 too along with Totentanz, Feux Follets, HR2 and Paganini etude 6, and I mostly listen to him, but I also love Chopin's and Scriabin's pieces.
I would have to go with Chopin. His music made me feel things that aren't able to be put in the English Language, it was a new emotion. I never had this with anyone. Sure, bach is the greatest composer that ever lived, we can all agree. And it was perfect in every way. But Chopin... You fucking genius, you made me feel things, your music will always be number one for me. Until the day I die, it will be Bach started the music, and you perfected it. Big fucking love for you.
Léon Ruhe You need to go and learm French, read Lamartine's poetry and appreciate how Liszt TRANSCENDED the boudary between music and poetry in his works such as Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude.
Chopin was a master of his instrument, the real poet as Horowitz stated, but as a musician he was incomplete. His powers of orchestration were very limited. On the other side, Liszt was a master of transcription and variations through technique. As a composer he was very weak, as he would make Schumann yawn at the première of his Sonata.
Ranggalih isn't burried is preserved in church. Interesting fact the guy who saved his heart was German nazi with polish roots he was responsible for destroying polish wwll Warsaw uprising & Warsaw itself but saved Chopin heart... Hehehe
Chopin is so endlessly more subtle and lovely --- but Liszt can be SO deeply sad/tragic/rooted/folk where Chopin never went. Thank God I do not have to choose and no-one has to choose.
especially op 48 #1 and 72 #1. 72 doesn't get enough attention, but it's one of the deepest and darkest things I've ever heard. I think too many people are judging these great composers based in this short video alone.
Well, if "folk" means rooted in folk music tradition, than you need not to look enywhere else than mazurkas, which were based on Polish folk dancec, and a form than no one before Chopin used in classical music
Liszt wasn't just a showman. Why does everyone take that narrow minded view of him? He was also a great proponent of the new German school of music and greatly influenced Wagner. And while you were talking about lyricism why did you not pick the slow section of the B minor sonata from Liszt? Chopin ballade and waltz were good selections but you only chose one from Liszt thereby doing him an injustice. Also, the Hungarian rhapsodies were hardly serious music. They were written as a mere fancy.
Or the 10th transcendantal Etude ? Or the 3 concert Etudes (with Un sospiro, la leggerezzia ...) ? Or the Consolations ? The video is beyond stereotype ...
Great video! Liszt's life and career spanned the late Classical, entire Romantic and early Modern music eras. So for that reason, it's hard to pin him down. For instance, while he wrote the famous Hungarian Rhapsodies in the prime of his life, he also wrote the highly original, stark and modern Nuages Gris as an elderly man. He has always been my favorite composer.
I'm sorry to say but this is comparing apples and oranges ... if you want to compare the 6th Hungarian Rhapsodie to a piece by Chopin, the first thing that comes to mind is the Opus 53 Polonaise, but there are still others that capture a similar feel. Liszt also didn't only write showpieces, he wrote at least 700 pieces/arrangements, etc. of which some of those pieces consist of many subparts that are basically seperate compositions but fit together like a modern musical album would. Most of his compositions aren't at all that showman like or even remotely unplayable ... but very emotional and fragile ... tough to play, sure, but also very lyrical. Since I've started researching Liszt more and more he has taken my personal top one spot of composers together with Chopin rather than be below Chopin In terms of emotional content. Also his comparison goes for multiple pieces by Chopin whilst only comparing them to that same Rhapsodie ... how unfair is that ... This guy or channel apparantly really doesn't know much about Liszt and his compositions because if this is all he has for comparison he hasn't even scratched 1/700th of the repertoire (possibly about a thousand if you would seperate pieces like Vallee d'Oberman from the rest of the Annees, etc.). Maybe listen to pieces like Sancta Dorothea, Nuages Gris, the whole of the Annees, his pieces on st. Francis of Assisi, etc. Or his transcriptions like "Auf dem wasser zu singen", Erlkonig, and others before you make comparisons that don't even fit well ...
as many have said, only the performer will understand the emotional depth and genius of liszt's composition. chopin will often win the public's love as his music is more "melodious".
This comment doesn't really have much depth. Both statements are true for pretty much all Romantic composers. The popular works with good melodies usually win over the general public, but all the greats do have their deep works that only music enthusiasts and performers will appreciate. The public doesn't appreciate the 4th Ballade, Polonaise-Fantaisie, or the 3rd Sonata, yet they are some of Chopin's greatest works. So again, your comment is pretty worthless.
While it is genius, I see no emotional depth in most of his music at all. Chopin was clearly the superior composer, not because they are more melodious
@@darkhafgor there are more than one type of genius, Liszt was clearly a man of mathematics, while chopin was more on the manner of the heart, both good in their own right.
They often only show Liszt in the pop star virtuosic light, but never understand the depth of Liszts serious composition. Try giving Liszt sonata a try, or his later religious works.
In a few minutes it's impossible to do more than this simplistic presentation which showcases the best of Chopin versus Rhapsody #6 which is one of Liszt's most unidimensional works. I enjoy both composers, and they were both geniuses in their different ways. Rhapsody #9 for example, is far more colorful. Some of the later work, such as transcription of Gounod's Faust, are just as original and amazing as was anything by Chopin.
@@darkhafgor Nah, Chopin has a better catalog overall, but Liszt has better and more impactful pieces, for example, sonata in b minor is better than anything Chopin can even imagine composing.
When the quarantine started, I devoted myself to listen to all the major piano pieces that Liszt composed. That's when I discovered "Harmonies poetiques et religieuses" and I must say that it's probably the most mature work for the piano that Liszt ever composed, maybe only surpassed by Anness de pelerinage. The "mature" period of Liszt composition style is truly amazing. But if I had to choose between him and Chopin... I'd choose Chopin. 😁
Although Chopin's music is more popular, Liszt had a greater impact on the music of his century. He was instrumental in establishing musical romanticism, but he also helped bail out a great many composers including Wagner and Berlioz and many others. He was an extremely generous man who played many charity concerts. He put together a fundraiser for a statue of Beethoven and played Ludwig's Piano Concerto No. 5 at a charity concert for it. He taught and helped countless young pianists all over Europe. Liszt was a great pianist, a great composer and a great human being.
Liszt gave praise very generously because he was a nice guy, but he never saw himself inferior to Chopin, because he just wasn't. I have yet to see Chopin write anything as enigmatically transcendent as Liszt's Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude.
According to Chopin's pupil, Karol Mikuli: "Chopin was adamant about maintaining the tempo, and many will be surprised that he never took the metronome down the piano. Even during his largely traduced tempo rubato, there was always one hand, the accompanying one, maintaining strict tempo, while the other one was singing, either indecisively hesitating, or like in a passionate conversation, with a certain impatient ferocity, cutting in ahead of time, more emotional, liberating the truth of musical expression from all rythmic chains"
Liszt praised Chopin so much for his compositions and elegant playing, and knew he wasn't as good a composer (Edit: at the time Chopin was alive). He also mentioned how every time Chopin gave a public performance, everyone in Paris wanted to attend since him performing for the public was an extremely rare occurrence. Chopin's playing and his music had the most snooty members of the aristocracy giving a standing ovation. Everyone who is choosing Liszt over Chopin for certain reasons, and even compares Chopin to Mozart, seem to not know much about his music (Edit: as Frankie Winters failed to understand, I meant comparing composers is pointless, I just want the other ignorant commenters here to know that they should not underestimate Chopin, and brush him off as a melodist and only a composer of 'pretty' music, but it was because of him and Beethoven that composers after them wanted to focus on deep solo piano music (all the heavy Russian pianists from late 19th/early 20th century is a great example)). He wasn't the light Romantic melodist you think he is, who is characterised by his Nocturnes and Waltzes. It goes much deeper. Listen to his full collection of Mazurkas, the 4 Ballades, Fantaisie Op. 49, the 3rd Sonata, and the Polonaise-Fantaisie to get to know the real Chopin.
+LCPD9111 I haven't gotten into Mozart yet because he has such an overwhelming amount of music, but I know he was Chopin's idol. +AG Cuber I could never say that one is better than the other, I meant that they are completely different. I wasn't saying "even compares Chopin to Mozart" because I thought less of Mozart, but because the essence of Chopin's music is much different (even though he was heavily influenced by Mozart). I've been studying Chopin intensively for the past 2 years, and I now see him as a completely different composer. I refer to my last few sentences in the original post.
and Liszt's contribution and genius in transcending the boundary between music and litterature? have you read Lamartine's poems and how Liszt interpreted it in his bénédiction de dieu dans la solitude? You seem to not know a lot about Liszt. He was a friar in a religious order, his works are more spiritual than the mundane 'romance' of Chopin. I love Chopin too but Chopin did not transcend art in the way Liszt did.
Chopin was the creative genius who told the world "Listen to my musical ideas". Liszt was the executant genius who told the world "Listen to ME play musical ideas".
Actually, Lizt made much more piano songs. He was also famous because he was one of the best piano players to ever exist. But, still, he composed more than 1000 songs. No Wonder, his life was twice the lenght of Chopin.
But don't forget that Liszt wasn't just a pianist... he wrote a shit ton of groundbreaking orchestral music, influencing composers like Wagner, Richard Strauss and Dvorak
Luigi Mario Athletically, Liszt was a better piano player but both were the best of their time. In terms of compositions, namely piano pieces, I believe Chopin's genius trumps Liszt. I love them both but very different reasons. To me personally, I think Chopin was the best composer specifically for piano pieces.
I am glad you point out that your points can be proven opposite in many other examples. Like you said, its a lot of output to be consolidated into two examples. Another important difference I think is the fact that much of Liszt's music is programmatic and big in the Romantic tradition whereas Chopin's is almost 100% absolute and quite Classical in stylistic philosophy and refinement (but not in harmonic language or Pianistic pyrotechnics however)
Liszt tends to be more fluid and on-the-go feelish while Chopin tends to be much more rigid and perfected. I prefer Liszt over Chopin because I feel like he just does what he feels like, he is an endless pit of creativity and made some of the most innovative creative things when it comes to technique. His legacy was to recreate the sound of an orchestra with just the piano and he was one of the only people who realised that the piano is a percussive instrument. Chopin is a bit too polished in my opinion.
Liszt was hungarian yes, yet his hungarian Rapsodies for example, were by many hungarians considered as gypsy music, not hungarian- and Liszt only lived in Hungary for a small portion of his life after all (later Paris, Rome, Weimar etc.).
As for Chopin, he wasn't stuck in Paris, he wrote the Préludes in Mallorca. And, unlike the video is explaining, he wasn't only about a "French style", otherwise he wouldn't have written Mazurkas and Polonaises ...
It’s kinda unfair to compare these 2 geniuses, because Chopin is so beautiful and lyrical same with Liszt, and Chopin Just has this feeling that you can’t describe, but yet, same with Liszt, his music is so different and unique, he can make stupidly difficult pieces sound so incredibly beautiful and that’s a skill in its own. I think they are both equal in my eyes
This lifelong pianist/composer loves both of them. Actually, Chopin was half French...his paternal side. People have a tendency to forget that. Their gorgeous music is immortal~ and viva la differences as well as the similarities!!
Liszt is one of the most brilliant composers in history. On an equal level of Chopin, without a doubt. He was an absolute superstar virtuoso, of course, but he wrote some of the magnificent and profound pieces of music I have ever heard. He doesn't get enough credit. He's always labelled as a showman, but once you've really studied his pieces and listened to the bulk of his works, you'll agree that he was a true genius. Chopin and Liszt were definitely equals in terms of composing.
I love where in the beginning of some of Liszt's sonatas he lulls you into a false sense of serenity, quiet peacefulness, and relaxation and then explodes into a massive display of fireworks where the pianist gets to show off his or her technical prowess and pianistic chops ( depending upon of course, they have them).
kafenwar What Liszt have you listened to? It sounds from your comment like not very much at all. Have you listened to his sacred music, his choral music, his chamber music, his orchestral music, his symphonic poems...? Even just sticking to the piano, have you listened to the ballades, the sonatas, the years of pilgrimage? It's just surprising to me that you think that because I've listened to Liszt my whole life (and played him as well) and to me, he is perhaps the MOST deep, raw, passionate, emotional composer ever. I love Chopin, too.
I'd say listening to Liebestraum No.3 will change your mind... However, Chopin is really the best... I mean Chopin produces melodies that are very complex that are elegant at the same time..
I have to agree with you on this. Chopin's music really engages me. Liszt's, well, there are three pieces that do to an extent, but put it this way, it is Chopin's music I really want to learn to play.
no he was from earth, he was born in "Żelazowa Wola, 46 kilometres (29 miles) west of Warsaw, in what was then the Duchy of Warsaw, a Polish state established by Napoleon." taken from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Chopin#Childhood
HOROWITZ once said that CHOPIN was the greatest piano composer of all time because unlike many other great composers. he really " understood the piano "...meaning he understood it and made it do things like no other composer could, even LISZT. No other composition makes this more obvious than CHOPIN'S so called OCEAN ETUDE where the composition makes the piano sound like rolling waves with a beautiful melody pervading the entire piece.
And it should be noted that Chopin had a massive influence on Liszt as well. If you look at Liszt's music in the early 1830s to the music in the late 1830s, after he had met Chopin and his music, you see a big change. Part of that was the influence of Berlioz, but part of it was the influence of Chopin.
Chopin was an innovator whose music is full of surprises, riddled with little gems that take years to uncover. His themes are unique in their lyricism and tonal beauty. When Chopin calls for virtuosity it is always in service to the music. Liszt has his moments, but when he discovers something of real beauty he beats it to death. There is some fairly rich tonal character here and there, but it is usually sandwiched between something rather expected and plain. When one encounters the need for virtuosity in a Liszt work, odds favor it being their for its own sake. Chopin is a musician's musician. Many casual listeners will miss much of what he has to offer. Liszt is more than common man's composer. The average listener can hear him a few times and will know all he needs to know about the work. Liszt has nothing to compare to the Ballades and Scherzi of Chopin.
oldschoolchartist I could replace all instances of 'Chopin' with 'Liszt' and 'Liszt' with 'Chopin' and the comment would still be valid imo. Anyways point is, that's just your opinion and I completely disagree with you. Clearly you haven't heard much of liszt's works
@oldschoolchartist What a retarded comment. I'd like to see Chopin try and write something as numinous as the Bénédiction, as impressionistic and forward-looking as the Les jeaux ďeaux à la Villa d'Este (or the entire Troisième année de pèlerinage set for that matter), as devilish and incredibly programmatic as the 1st Mephisto Waltz or as illustratory as the Transcendental Etudes.
I've always liked Chopin better in general, but when Liszt shines through, he surpasses Chopin entirely. Take the Etudes for example, I enjoy every single one of Chopin's Op 10 and 25 Etudes, but for Liszt, some of his Etudes don't really click for me. But his Transcendental Etude 12 and Un Sospiro surpasses all of Chopin's Etudes in emotion and beauty. (In my opinion)
I will always be able to identify a Chopin or a Liszt. Chopin’s music instantly transports me to a musical and lyrical world while Liszt’s music reminds me of all the technical wonder the piano is capable of.
I love them both,however one thing i have to say is that,while both have made harmonic advancements in western music,Liszt tops this of with many "experimental" works,something Chopin never actually did.Also the Liszt concertos are way more advanced than the Chopin ones and on orchestration Liszt destroys Chopin.Finally I don't think Chopin has written anything on the magnitude of Liszt's sonata in b minor.(harmonically and musically talking).However chopin did set the foundations of the impressionistic works of Debussy and Ravel.(Liszt was more influence on neo-romantics and avant-guard)
I would have to go with both. I hate how people choose different favourite composers. Each one has a different strategy to piano. Chopin was more passionate and had more of a story with his songs.Beethoven expressed feelings. Liszt empowered music to a new level.The heroism, is great.
No one with any artistic intelligence has to choose between different composers. You guys sounds like football hooligans arguing about their favourite team! (Schumann is my #1 - and not because he was a great pianist - but because he had very original ideas for his time - and was a troubled personality [like Beethoven] which I always think produces the greatest art.
There is a pub in Kent (southern England) called "The Brahms and Liszt".( Explanation for Americans: It is cockney rhyming slang for "pissed", which in England means "drunk".)
But no one can ignore this fact that Liszt was the most insane composer. He compositions has both beauty and insanity. He could have removed insanity but it would have disturbed beauty of his compositions. For me, Liszt is Best. His hungarian rhapsody 2 is world famous.
Why choose one over the other ? They are both great composers and i love them both for what they bring to the table ! Strangely enough my appreciation for these masters grew through time ...a bit of an acquired taste but they have aged well in my heart and soul !
I'm a Liszt just because his music is my type, extremely hard but a enjoyable experience for me like when I play la campanella, the jumping rythm is hard but it's music to my ears.
People who ACTUALLY understand music and have studied both Liszt AND Chopin know that it's foolish to compare them and say one is better than the other. Do you know just how many songs they've written and how different they all sound to one another? A lot. You can't compare them based on just Liszt? Or Chopin? That's just rediculous. Madness! O_O
That's true, but one can listen to almost anything by Chopin, not just a handful of pieces, nearly every one of them is supremely beautiful, sublime, and emotionally moving, and in a way that was unique to Chopin. I mean he had a signature sound and style unlike any other composer who's ever lived.
mydogskips2 Comparing the two is foolish. Liszt has countless more obscure pieces that express musical depth. Unfortunately standard pianist repertoire fails to bring these to light whilst most of Chopin's pieces are overplayed. For example, the Reminisces of Don Juan was stated to be "the height of pianism."
We tend to forget when these "classical" pieces were composed, they were contemporary music for their audiences. In that vein, with which contemporary composers can we compare these two men? Any suggestions?
Liszt is better he is so much more unique, I love them both but there's nothing like Liszt out there. Classical piano would be so different without him.
+SithLordJecian What you say is quite laughable as well. "All Liszt did through out his youth was write "covers" of other people's work..." - It seems like you are just an ordinary Liszt hater or something like that. As well as other composers Liszt was much more productive in his youth and all of his masterpieces are are written in his youth. Well, at all, before you say something, just "Liszten" to all of 19 Hungarian Rhapsodies and then decide... Certainly, I don't mean that, Liszt was a better composer than Chopin (This is foolish stuff...). This all depends on personal preferences. And if you haven't noticed, that all of Chopin's works are written in the same style, unlike Liszt... Accordingly, in that angle, Liszt was unique. Also, if you have listened to Hungarian Rhapsody №2 and you still think soo... Then I'm trying to cut water. Transcendental etudes and so on... OGM!
"And if you haven't noticed, that all of Chopin's works are written in the same style, unlike Liszt... " I don't know if that's completely true, but even if that were so, I believe Chopin(possibly along with Debussy) is the most "unique" composer who ever lived. I mean his music had a inimitable style and sound completely his own, one which has never really been matched by anyone before or since. Chopin's music just flows so naturally, so effortlessly, it curves and bends with chromaticism and a feeling of nuance unlike anyone else. When you hear a piece of music you can just tell it's Chopin, even if you've never heard it before, his unique SIGNATURE sound is stamped on the piece if you will. Personally, I don't think you can say quite the same to an equal degree for Liszt.
mydogskips2 I agree. Also people tend to say that Liszt is harder than Chopin. But this is not true at all. It is hard enough to perfect and find the hidden sound of Chopins music with it also being complex to play. Take the Ocean Etude as an example. It should be played with 160bpm which nearly no pianist is able to play it at. And it should also deliver the listener a unique Wave sound with deep and strong expression. Tell me if you find a recording where the piece is played in 160bpm. Maybe then we can find another hidden gem behind the piece
+Donkey Punch Knock-Out Liszt was a genius, everybody that witnessed his playing, attested to it. His father bought him 4,000 sheets of music when he was a kid and all that diversity bestowed upon him the skill to literally improvise masterpieces on the spot.
im a musician and i find more complexity in chopin's piece, its like the modern rock while liszt is pop which many commoners are interested. i find chopin as a dedicated yet passionate pianist while liszt as a mediocre composer (my opinion only)
One thing i love about liszt, is the diferent ways to play the same song (like hungarian rhapsody 2 or mazzepa) thats pretty unique and funnier to play.
Comparing Chopin and Liszt is a tricky affair. Both have been my top favorite composers for a decade now but I can't tip the balance in favor of one of them. Chopin is, indeed, the piano poet, and if you ask me where Chopin has the upper hand compared to Liszt: nuances. However, looking at a few pieces and making a judgment is not very accurate. Liszt's output, composition and transcription-wise, exceeds the 1,000 mark; those works (for those interested, Leslie Howard played the entire works by Liszt in 99 CDs). Liszt made a progression over the years and his style matured more and more into something more reflective and spiritual. Despite the fact that Liszt was portrayed as the "show-off" pianist, it's important to note that he was a true perfectionist and hard-worker because he revised many of his compositions and studies, some of them have up to three versions for the same piece.
it seems actually pretty simple. the difference is like that between big band and basement club jazz. both are unbelievable for the virtuosity, control, musicality, and emotion. they're actually just that fundamentally separated.
I return very often to the annees de pelerinage and the consolations. I also love some late works aswell as the piano sonata of course. If you don't think those pieces are poetic I don't know what is. For me personally chopin doesn't really have that many pieces I like to come back to but after all its just my personal taste.
This is a difficult argument/comparison when familiar with most of the output of both Masters. My opinion is to treat them as complete individuals and accept their own musical language and thinking as composers and pianists
the late pieces of Liszt are meditative and deeply sublime Both composers are genius in their compositions
Not only the late pieces but his 1850s too(liebestraüm, Un sospiro, consolation)
So are his early pieces like Apparitions, Annees de Pelerinage and Consolations
Why am I watching this I play the violin.
Im with Chopin.
gioachino rossini *ME TO*
Me too
Who the heck is paganini
Lol, his first piano teacher wasn't even a pianist, it was violinist
I play the french horn
You've summarized the differences (and similarities) in the first sentence: Liszt was Hungarian, Chopin was Polish.
Liszt was Hungarian? But he didnt speak Hungarian .wtf who was he
@@27duco Liszt spoke German (he was born during the Austro-Hungarian Empire, it had lots of germanic influences)
Liszt was born from german parents in Hungarian territory and Chopin was half French (his father was French)
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Sorry, I can't agree at all. This sentence is too simple! The truth is: Liszt was born in Raiding, which is in Austria. The time he was born Raiding was a part of the Hungarian kingdom, a German cultured village close to the Austrian border (which was no real border, just like the border between England and Scotland; Nebraska and Kansas or Bavaria and Hessen). His parents were Austrian, his mother Barbara Schlesak was from Krems, lower Austria, and his father Adam Liszt from Edelsthal. They all spoke German, never Hungarian, Liszt didn't know to speak Hungarian. When he became old, he learned Hungarian with difficulty, but was never able to speak the language fluently. He liked to call himself "Hungarian" on a whim, but he was only Hungarian by birthplace, never by culture. From his culture, upbringing, ancestry, Liszt was Austrian, and his native language was also Austrian / German. He received his musical education primarily in Austria (Vienna) and from Austrians (Adam Liszt, Carl Czerny, Anton Reicha), later in Paris, France. His music is never Hungarian, (but it has Hungarian, Austrian, German, French and Italian influences). His first contact to Hungary and Hungarian culture was as an adult, when he came to Budapest to give a concert. And Chopin was half a French, his father Nicolas came from Lothringen, (today in France) became a citizen of Poland and brought the french culture into the family. Chopins mother Justyna Krzyzanovsky was polish, and Chopins music includes both parts: french and polish, with italian influences (Chopin admired Bellini and Donizetti) and Austrian elements (waltzes). It was funny that Chopin never knew the french language perfectly, though his father came from Lothringen and Chopin lived half of his life in France.
In the supermarket, I didn't know what to buy because I forgot my Chopin-Liszt.
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All Chopin needed to move your deepest emotions and make you feel feelings you didn’t know existed, was a piano. That’s how great he is. That’s why musicians around ages and throughout time regard him as the continuity of Mozart.
if it comes to Chopin you have to be aware that it wasn't Paris to form him as a pianist, it was Poland, its villages, landscapes and culture what inspired him (sorry for my English)
+Jakub Szczuka i agree. fwiw... ;)
He was basically depressed all his life
Chopin was indeed formed in Poland that's for sure, but he would've never ever become such an artist without France. France gave him all he needed to become the master he is and develop his art.
@@logannslm1593 I mean what did France gave him except from place to live in and and asylum to flee from war in Poland. Little known fact Chopin wanted to run away to Italy in the first place but it was impossible due to some issues
You're English is perfect, besides you explained your point better than most native speakers.
How to play like Chopin
Step 1: throw the metronome out the window
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Chopin's tempo rubatos are never throwing the tempo away completely
you are correct
welp no he isnt chopin always had a metronome on his piano
yeah right, we've got metronom in our blood, hehe..at liszt we know how much drink to get drunk..
I love so many different styles of music from metal to classical. But Chopin’s music is what moves me the most. I absolutely love EVERY NOTE of Polonaise Heroic in Ab. It’s perfection.
They're both good. No need to compare.
From a person who doesn't study classical music. Just an ordinary listener who enjoyed listening to these great musicians. I vote for Liszt. I don't know why but Liszt and Mozart's music makes me want to listen to them more and repeatedly compared to the others. If you gave me an explanation why the others were better, I won't understand because I just prefer what I prefer and that's the same with the others, at least I think. Not everyone will study and understand music. Some just wanted to enjoy it without having any thoughts about the interpretations, theories, etc.
I fit in your category regarding classical music. I have a passion, but no expertise. Nothing wrong with that.
Chopin is playable!!! That’s the difference lol
And better imo
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That's not true
Liszt pieces looks harder than chopin pieces but chopin has more illegualr rhythms, tempo and lots of legato techniques.
A think Liszt's unplayable stuff is unplayable because it's nonsensical garbage. Did he know what a key signature was? Seriously a chimpanzee could have written some of that shit, though some of his stuff is really good, so he must have known at least something about music.
Liszt did great transcriptions. His complete Beethoven symphonies transcription for the piano is better than Beethoven's version.
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First off, both composers were geniuses. And yes, a good overall comparison is that Chopin was more effeminate while Liszt was more masculine.
However, quite sadly, most people only know a handful of pieces by Liszt, and many of those being his dazzling showpieces. The Hungarian Rhapsodies being such an example, as used here, which is not only unfair but unfortunate since this is what helps to misinform the masses.
One only needs to listen to 'Au lac de Wallenstadt' or the intro to Liszt’s Piano Concerto No.2 to see the workings of a tender, dreamy artist. More importantly, those that say Chopin was more original certainly have no idea of the far greater influence Liszt had upon the course of music and music history. One only needs to listen to his pioneering Faust and Dante symphonies to see the pinnacles of the Romantic era, while Liszt’s late pieces set the seeds for the Impressionistic works of Debussy, the Atonal works of Schoenberg, while his paraphrases helped to spawn even the basic improvisational elements of Jazz.
So, while Chopin certainly wrote works of great beauty and charm, Liszt was the pioneer that spawned numerous other musical genres and was far more influential and versatile, writing works that were raw, brutal, dazzling, yet also romantically tender, triumphant, transcending, mystical, and spiritual as his oratorios and masses attest.
In essence, Chopin was a delicate earthly flower, a beauty to behold that is easy to please the masses and be savored, while Liszt was a Promethean thunderstorm that opened up the heavens and brought divine light upon the earth, from sheer radiant beauty to pioneering pyrotechnics to even reminding mankind of the tempestuous terrors of Hell.
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I absolutely, deeply, hugely love and adore everything Chopin. I like some of Liszt works, especially Mazeppa, but apart from Chopin, my favorite piano composers are Rachmaninov, Scriabin, Medtner, Schumann, Brahms, Beethoven, Debussy and Duke Ellington. I like things that totally, mysteriously hit my heart like they’re killing me, those things are more than music, they totally make you forget the technique and virtuosity of it all, they’re just pure emotion. With Liszt, it’s too often about technique and skills, IMHO. I sometimes imagine Chopin writing Etude op 25/12 for instance, telling himself “I’ll tell my piano the things I used to tell you, hear the fire in my chest, see how it’s consuming everything, destroying me” Then I imagine Liszt before writing a stunning piece, telling himself “let’s show these people how good I am”... I know I’m overdoing this, but I think when it comes to Chopin, nothing compares
You should listen to Liszt more. Everyone always brush him off as a mere “show off” but he is sooo much more than that
A man of taste. Medtner is highly underrated.
Mazeppa is in my Liszt's top 5 too along with Totentanz, Feux Follets, HR2 and Paganini etude 6, and I mostly listen to him, but I also love Chopin's and Scriabin's pieces.
I would have to go with Chopin. His music made me feel things that aren't able to be put in the English Language, it was a new emotion. I never had this with anyone. Sure, bach is the greatest composer that ever lived, we can all agree. And it was perfect in every way. But Chopin... You fucking genius, you made me feel things, your music will always be number one for me. Until the day I die, it will be Bach started the music, and you perfected it. Big fucking love for you.
Same here!!
First in my heart there is Ludwig
Léon Ruhe You need to go and learm French, read Lamartine's poetry and appreciate how Liszt TRANSCENDED the boudary between music and poetry in his works such as Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude.
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your choice of some words is inappropriate
Chopin was a master of his instrument, the real poet as Horowitz stated, but as a musician he was incomplete. His powers of orchestration were very limited. On the other side, Liszt was a master of transcription and variations through technique. As a composer he was very weak, as he would make Schumann yawn at the première of his Sonata.
I loved both! But I'm giving my heart to Chopin since his heart was buried in Warsaw.
Ranggalih isn't burried is preserved in church. Interesting fact the guy who saved his heart was German nazi with polish roots he was responsible for destroying polish wwll Warsaw uprising & Warsaw itself but saved Chopin heart... Hehehe
$$&& I loooooove his heart. &&$$
@Epoxygleu the fav composer of Hitler was Wagner (Wagner was antisemit and racist too)
Chopin is so endlessly more subtle and lovely --- but Liszt can be SO deeply sad/tragic/rooted/folk where Chopin never went. Thank God I do not have to choose and no-one has to choose.
If you think Chopin can’t be tragic, you haven’t listened to all of the nocturnes.
especially op 48 #1 and 72 #1. 72 doesn't get enough attention, but it's one of the deepest and darkest things I've ever heard. I think too many people are judging these great composers based in this short video alone.
qqleq2 sad? Try listening to his Nocturnes. Tragic? Try his Ballades. I don't know what you mean by rooted and folk, so I can't give you any example.
Well, if "folk" means rooted in folk music tradition, than you need not to look enywhere else than mazurkas, which were based on Polish folk dancec, and a form than no one before Chopin used in classical music
Someone hasn't listened to nocturne 15 op 55. While Chopin didn't live in tragedy, he often went dark and oh so heavy.
I love them both. But Wizard Liszt got me in his spells.
Liszt wasn't just a showman. Why does everyone take that narrow minded view of him? He was also a great proponent of the new German school of music and greatly influenced Wagner.
And while you were talking about lyricism why did you not pick the slow section of the B minor sonata from Liszt? Chopin ballade and waltz were good selections but you only chose one from Liszt thereby doing him an injustice.
Also, the Hungarian rhapsodies were hardly serious music. They were written as a mere fancy.
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I agree with you
Or the 10th transcendantal Etude ? Or the 3 concert Etudes (with Un sospiro, la leggerezzia ...) ? Or the Consolations ?
The video is beyond stereotype ...
He said he could show examples that show the opposite.
No, the rhapsodies were serious music. If they weren't, any schmo could play them.
Great video! Liszt's life and career spanned the late Classical, entire Romantic and early Modern music eras. So for that reason, it's hard to pin him down. For instance, while he wrote the famous Hungarian Rhapsodies in the prime of his life, he also wrote the highly original, stark and modern Nuages Gris as an elderly man. He has always been my favorite composer.
I'm sorry to say but this is comparing apples and oranges ... if you want to compare the 6th Hungarian Rhapsodie to a piece by Chopin, the first thing that comes to mind is the Opus 53 Polonaise, but there are still others that capture a similar feel.
Liszt also didn't only write showpieces, he wrote at least 700 pieces/arrangements, etc. of which some of those pieces consist of many subparts that are basically seperate compositions but fit together like a modern musical album would.
Most of his compositions aren't at all that showman like or even remotely unplayable ... but very emotional and fragile ... tough to play, sure, but also very lyrical.
Since I've started researching Liszt more and more he has taken my personal top one spot of composers together with Chopin rather than be below Chopin In terms of emotional content.
Also his comparison goes for multiple pieces by Chopin whilst only comparing them to that same Rhapsodie ... how unfair is that ... This guy or channel apparantly really doesn't know much about Liszt and his compositions because if this is all he has for comparison he hasn't even scratched 1/700th of the repertoire (possibly about a thousand if you would seperate pieces like Vallee d'Oberman from the rest of the Annees, etc.).
Maybe listen to pieces like Sancta Dorothea, Nuages Gris, the whole of the Annees, his pieces on st. Francis of Assisi, etc. Or his transcriptions like "Auf dem wasser zu singen", Erlkonig, and others before you make comparisons that don't even fit well ...
as many have said, only the performer will understand the emotional depth and genius of liszt's composition. chopin will often win the public's love as his music is more "melodious".
I have played both Chopin and Liszt and strongly disagree with your statement.
This comment doesn't really have much depth. Both statements are true for pretty much all Romantic composers. The popular works with good melodies usually win over the general public, but all the greats do have their deep works that only music enthusiasts and performers will appreciate. The public doesn't appreciate the 4th Ballade, Polonaise-Fantaisie, or the 3rd Sonata, yet they are some of Chopin's greatest works. So again, your comment is pretty worthless.
While it is genius, I see no emotional depth in most of his music at all. Chopin was clearly the superior composer, not because they are more melodious
@@darkhafgor there are more than one type of genius, Liszt was clearly a man of mathematics, while chopin was more on the manner of the heart, both good in their own right.
They often only show Liszt in the pop star virtuosic light, but never understand the depth of Liszts serious composition. Try giving Liszt sonata a try, or his later religious works.
In a few minutes it's impossible to do more than this simplistic presentation which showcases the best of Chopin versus Rhapsody #6 which is one of Liszt's most unidimensional works. I enjoy both composers, and they were both geniuses in their different ways. Rhapsody #9 for example, is far more colorful. Some of the later work, such as transcription of Gounod's Faust, are just as original and amazing as was anything by Chopin.
Both are good but I'll go for Liszt. His music has more impact in my life than Chopin music
Beco Adao I’m all for Chopin but Liszt was the one who deeply innovated new styles and forms in music. I respect them both greatly
That's weird since Chopin has a "beauty" in his music that would be more suited to impact someone's life, but you do you I guess
@@darkhafgor Nah, Chopin has a better catalog overall, but Liszt has better and more impactful pieces, for example, sonata in b minor is better than anything Chopin can even imagine composing.
@@thatchysteak8270 thats bs and you know it.
@@bhaab4019 not rlly my guy, chopin got me into classical music, liszt saved my life
When the quarantine started, I devoted myself to listen to all the major piano pieces that Liszt composed. That's when I discovered "Harmonies poetiques et religieuses" and I must say that it's probably the most mature work for the piano that Liszt ever composed, maybe only surpassed by Anness de pelerinage. The "mature" period of Liszt composition style is truly amazing. But if I had to choose between him and Chopin... I'd choose Chopin. 😁
Although Chopin's music is more popular, Liszt had a greater impact on the music of his century. He was instrumental in establishing musical romanticism, but he also helped bail out a great many composers including Wagner and Berlioz and many others. He was an extremely generous man who played many charity concerts. He put together a fundraiser for a statue of Beethoven and played Ludwig's Piano Concerto No. 5 at a charity concert for it. He taught and helped countless young pianists all over Europe. Liszt was a great pianist, a great composer and a great human being.
Chopin is definitely much more of an enigma to me.
I mean,why do you even compare them? Liszt himself said that he was a worse composer.
Liszt gave praise very generously because he was a nice guy, but he never saw himself inferior to Chopin, because he just wasn't. I have yet to see Chopin write anything as enigmatically transcendent as Liszt's Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude.
According to Chopin's pupil, Karol Mikuli:
"Chopin was adamant about maintaining the tempo, and many will be surprised that he never took the metronome down the piano. Even during his largely traduced tempo rubato, there was always one hand, the accompanying one, maintaining strict tempo, while the other one was singing, either indecisively hesitating, or like in a passionate conversation, with a certain impatient ferocity, cutting in ahead of time, more emotional, liberating the truth of musical expression from all rythmic chains"
Liszt praised Chopin so much for his compositions and elegant playing, and knew he wasn't as good a composer (Edit: at the time Chopin was alive). He also mentioned how every time Chopin gave a public performance, everyone in Paris wanted to attend since him performing for the public was an extremely rare occurrence. Chopin's playing and his music had the most snooty members of the aristocracy giving a standing ovation. Everyone who is choosing Liszt over Chopin for certain reasons, and even compares Chopin to Mozart, seem to not know much about his music (Edit: as Frankie Winters failed to understand, I meant comparing composers is pointless, I just want the other ignorant commenters here to know that they should not underestimate Chopin, and brush him off as a melodist and only a composer of 'pretty' music, but it was because of him and Beethoven that composers after them wanted to focus on deep solo piano music (all the heavy Russian pianists from late 19th/early 20th century is a great example)). He wasn't the light Romantic melodist you think he is, who is characterised by his Nocturnes and Waltzes. It goes much deeper. Listen to his full collection of Mazurkas, the 4 Ballades, Fantaisie Op. 49, the 3rd Sonata, and the Polonaise-Fantaisie to get to know the real Chopin.
Who do you prefer Chopin or mozart?
Im definitely not knowledgable enough hence im curious, why do people say Chopin is not comparable to Mozart or Beethoven?
+LCPD9111 I haven't gotten into Mozart yet because he has such an overwhelming amount of music, but I know he was Chopin's idol.
+AG Cuber I could never say that one is better than the other, I meant that they are completely different. I wasn't saying "even compares Chopin to Mozart" because I thought less of Mozart, but because the essence of Chopin's music is much different (even though he was heavily influenced by Mozart).
I've been studying Chopin intensively for the past 2 years, and I now see him as a completely different composer. I refer to my last few sentences in the original post.
and Liszt's contribution and genius in transcending the boundary between music and litterature?
have you read Lamartine's poems and how Liszt interpreted it in his bénédiction de dieu dans la solitude?
You seem to not know a lot about Liszt. He was a friar in a religious order, his works are more spiritual than the mundane 'romance' of Chopin. I love Chopin too but Chopin did not transcend art in the way Liszt did.
Wayne Leung What makes Chopin better is his ability to produce superior harmonies and melodies than liszt
My vote is Chopin
Chopin was the creative genius who told the world "Listen to my musical ideas". Liszt was the executant genius who told the world "Listen to ME play musical ideas".
Actually, Lizt made much more piano songs. He was also famous because he was one of the best piano players to ever exist. But, still, he composed more than 1000 songs.
No Wonder, his life was twice the lenght of Chopin.
But don't forget that Liszt wasn't just a pianist... he wrote a shit ton of groundbreaking orchestral music, influencing composers like Wagner, Richard Strauss and Dvorak
Luigi Mario Athletically, Liszt was a better piano player but both were the best of their time. In terms of compositions, namely piano pieces, I believe Chopin's genius trumps Liszt. I love them both but very different reasons. To me personally, I think Chopin was the best composer specifically for piano pieces.
mokka herrman actually 500 of his works were transcriptions. Also Liszt was more famous because Chopin hates performing. Liszt lives it
If you don't think that Liszt had musical ideas equal to Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Schubert, etc, then you are tone deaf.
Thank you Robert, for making this video and listening to viewers advice. Quality and engaging discussion as always. =)
Excellent, as always. Hard to compare these particular composers, but you did a wonderful job.
I am glad you point out that your points can be proven opposite in many other examples. Like you said, its a lot of output to be consolidated into two examples. Another important difference I think is the fact that much of Liszt's music is programmatic and big in the Romantic tradition whereas Chopin's is almost 100% absolute and quite Classical in stylistic philosophy and refinement (but not in harmonic language or Pianistic pyrotechnics however)
Liszt tends to be more fluid and on-the-go feelish while Chopin tends to be much more rigid and perfected. I prefer Liszt over Chopin because I feel like he just does what he feels like, he is an endless pit of creativity and made some of the most innovative creative things when it comes to technique. His legacy was to recreate the sound of an orchestra with just the piano and he was one of the only people who realised that the piano is a percussive instrument. Chopin is a bit too polished in my opinion.
Liszt is like making a long lists of notes while Chopin is literally choppin' the piano!
Har har
Liszt was hungarian yes, yet his hungarian Rapsodies for example, were by many hungarians considered as gypsy music, not hungarian- and Liszt only lived in Hungary for a small portion of his life after all (later Paris, Rome, Weimar etc.).
As for Chopin, he wasn't stuck in Paris, he wrote the Préludes in Mallorca. And, unlike the video is explaining, he wasn't only about a "French style", otherwise he wouldn't have written Mazurkas and Polonaises ...
Some good points. The view on the style of the composers is way too black/white in this video.
Excellent sounding Petrof. So much fun to listen to the differences between the 2 of favorite composers of mine!!
It’s kinda unfair to compare these 2 geniuses, because Chopin is so beautiful and lyrical same with Liszt, and Chopin Just has this feeling that you can’t describe, but yet, same with Liszt, his music is so different and unique, he can make stupidly difficult pieces sound so incredibly beautiful and that’s a skill in its own. I think they are both equal in my eyes
Liszt is my favorite composer along with the great Beethoven
This lifelong pianist/composer loves both of them. Actually, Chopin was half French...his paternal side. People have a tendency to forget that. Their gorgeous music is immortal~ and viva la differences as well as the similarities!!
Liszt is one of the most brilliant composers in history. On an equal level of Chopin, without a doubt. He was an absolute superstar virtuoso, of course, but he wrote some of the magnificent and profound pieces of music I have ever heard. He doesn't get enough credit. He's always labelled as a showman, but once you've really studied his pieces and listened to the bulk of his works, you'll agree that he was a true genius. Chopin and Liszt were definitely equals in terms of composing.
Chopin is miles better than Liszt in terms of composing, while Liszt was better in virtuosity
@Sparticus Booker nope nope nope
You can be confused with this comparison if you throw in Liszt - Love Dream
I love where in the beginning of some of Liszt's sonatas he lulls you into a false sense of serenity, quiet peacefulness, and relaxation and then explodes into a massive display of fireworks where the pianist gets to show off his or her technical prowess and pianistic chops ( depending upon of course, they have them).
Hey look my two favorite composers of all time in 1 video
Definitely Chopin. Liszt is superb but upon close listening, he somewhat lacks the humanity, elegance and emotional depth of Chopin.
Especially humanity...
Listen to the Consolations and Etude n 10 for a start. I'm not saying Liszt is the best, but your comment is belittling him.
kafenwar What Liszt have you listened to? It sounds from your comment like not very much at all. Have you listened to his sacred music, his choral music, his chamber music, his orchestral music, his symphonic poems...? Even just sticking to the piano, have you listened to the ballades, the sonatas, the years of pilgrimage? It's just surprising to me that you think that because I've listened to Liszt my whole life (and played him as well) and to me, he is perhaps the MOST deep, raw, passionate, emotional composer ever. I love Chopin, too.
I'd say listening to Liebestraum No.3 will change your mind...
However, Chopin is really the best... I mean Chopin produces melodies that are very complex that are elegant at the same time..
I have to agree with you on this. Chopin's music really engages me. Liszt's, well, there are three pieces that do to an extent, but put it this way, it is Chopin's music I really want to learn to play.
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I think that we cannot compare among these "huge monsters" of music but, i also believe that Chopin was from another planet...not earth for sure!!!
no he was from earth, he was born in "Żelazowa Wola, 46 kilometres (29 miles) west of Warsaw, in what was then the Duchy of Warsaw, a Polish state established by Napoleon." taken from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Chopin#Childhood
@@renoraksi8462 Bruh
@@renoraksi8462 please tell me you’re being ironic
HOROWITZ once said that CHOPIN was the greatest piano composer of all time because unlike many other great composers. he really " understood the piano "...meaning he understood it and made it do things like no other composer could, even LISZT.
No other composition makes this more obvious than CHOPIN'S so called OCEAN ETUDE where the composition makes the piano sound like rolling waves with a beautiful melody pervading the entire piece.
And it should be noted that Chopin had a massive influence on Liszt as well. If you look at Liszt's music in the early 1830s to the music in the late 1830s, after he had met Chopin and his music, you see a big change. Part of that was the influence of Berlioz, but part of it was the influence of Chopin.
Chopin was an innovator whose music is full of surprises, riddled with little gems that take years to uncover. His themes are unique in their lyricism and tonal beauty. When Chopin calls for virtuosity it is always in service to the music.
Liszt has his moments, but when he discovers something of real beauty he beats it to death. There is some fairly rich tonal character here and there, but it is usually sandwiched between something rather expected and plain. When one encounters the need for virtuosity in a Liszt work, odds favor it being their for its own sake.
Chopin is a musician's musician. Many casual listeners will miss much of what he has to offer. Liszt is more than common man's composer. The average listener can hear him a few times and will know all he needs to know about the work.
Liszt has nothing to compare to the Ballades and Scherzi of Chopin.
oldschoolchartist I could replace all instances of 'Chopin' with 'Liszt' and 'Liszt' with 'Chopin' and the comment would still be valid imo.
Anyways point is, that's just your opinion and I completely disagree with you. Clearly you haven't heard much of liszt's works
Liszt wrote many things that compare to Chopin. His 'Funérailles' for one.
La Campanella compares somewhat in difficulty to the Ballades, but not the story.
@oldschoolchartist What a retarded comment. I'd like to see Chopin try and write something as numinous as the Bénédiction, as impressionistic and forward-looking as the Les jeaux ďeaux à la Villa d'Este (or the entire Troisième année de pèlerinage set for that matter), as devilish and incredibly programmatic as the 1st Mephisto Waltz or as illustratory as the Transcendental Etudes.
wow you really catch each composer's style of playing very well :D
Heah, Chopin was definitely inspired by French culture - especially when composing his mazurkas and polonaises :)
Polonaises arent French
Perhaps by his father, who was french?
@@stefanbernhard2710 That's the joke...
Ah, the Adieu Waltz (5m25s). It's one of my favorite Chopin pieces.
Fred
How many pieces do you wanna write in A flat major?
Chopin: Yes
I've always liked Chopin better in general, but when Liszt shines through, he surpasses Chopin entirely. Take the Etudes for example, I enjoy every single one of Chopin's Op 10 and 25 Etudes, but for Liszt, some of his Etudes don't really click for me. But his Transcendental Etude 12 and Un Sospiro surpasses all of Chopin's Etudes in emotion and beauty. (In my opinion)
not really, in my opinion
Mikhail Tal un Sospiro was one of the greatest pieces i’ve ever heard😭😭
I think the same, yes.
Heavily disagree, Liszt never scratched the surface compared to Chopin when it came to emotion and beauty.
Vision, No. 6 is an underrated masterpiece.
Liszt is an astounding pianist, but very few of his pieces have the kind of fluidity and beauty of Chopin.
Go team Liszt! Woohoo!
we meet again >:D
Not this guy again...
YAY
+Franz Liszt LOL
+Franz Liszt I'm just here for the comments.
Liszt = Epic
Chopin = Poetic
I love both
I will always be able to identify a Chopin or a Liszt. Chopin’s music instantly transports me to a musical and lyrical world while Liszt’s music reminds me of all the technical wonder the piano is capable of.
Beautiful! So enjoy Your playing. Which of your teachers influenced you the
most?
Very good thanks! I love Chopin and Liszt and this was very helpful.
So very great explanations. Your expository speaking is wonderful. The music excerpts are beautiful.
I love them both,however one thing i have to say is that,while both have made harmonic advancements in western music,Liszt tops this of with many "experimental" works,something Chopin never actually did.Also the Liszt concertos are way more advanced than the Chopin ones and on orchestration Liszt destroys Chopin.Finally I don't think Chopin has written anything on the magnitude of Liszt's sonata in b minor.(harmonically and musically talking).However chopin did set the foundations of the impressionistic works of Debussy and Ravel.(Liszt was more influence on neo-romantics and avant-guard)
Listen to Liszt's Jeux de Eaux. He basically invented impressionism.
I would have to go with both. I hate how people choose different favourite composers. Each one has a different strategy to piano. Chopin was more passionate and had more of a story with his songs.Beethoven expressed feelings. Liszt empowered music to a new level.The heroism, is great.
No one with any artistic intelligence has to choose between different composers. You guys sounds like football hooligans arguing about their favourite team! (Schumann is my #1 - and not because he was a great pianist - but because he had very original ideas for his time - and was a troubled personality [like Beethoven] which I always think produces the greatest art.
@@boblewis4830 Football Hooligans is the name of my new band. We play Hungarian Gypsy Death Metal.
There is a pub in Kent (southern England) called "The Brahms and Liszt".( Explanation for Americans: It is cockney rhyming slang for "pissed", which in England means "drunk".)
What a profound addition to the discussion ...
But no one can ignore this fact that Liszt was the most insane composer. He compositions has both beauty and insanity. He could have removed insanity but it would have disturbed beauty of his compositions. For me, Liszt is Best. His hungarian rhapsody 2 is world famous.
chopin is so mysterious
Why choose one over the other ? They are both great composers and i love them both for what they bring to the table ! Strangely enough my appreciation for these masters grew through time ...a bit of an acquired taste but they have aged well in my heart and soul !
I just checked, and unfortunately, videos of Chopin-Liszt, Beethoven-Mozart _similarities_ don't seem to have ever been uploaded.
I'm a Liszt just because his music is my type, extremely hard but a enjoyable experience for me like when I play la campanella, the jumping rythm is hard but it's music to my ears.
Liszt = Aragorn, Jon Snow, Captain America, Harry Potter
Chopin = Legolas, Prince Oberyn , Dr. Strange, Hermione Granger
Hi, you mentioned that you uploaded the video that shows similarities of different composers. What is the name of that video? I cant find it.
People who ACTUALLY understand music and have studied both Liszt AND Chopin know that it's foolish to compare them and say one is better than the other. Do you know just how many songs they've written and how different they all sound to one another? A lot. You can't compare them based on just Liszt? Or Chopin? That's just rediculous. Madness! O_O
if you'd really understand music or even have the tiniest knowledge if it. it would be 'pieces' and not 'songs'. idiot
anyone who thinks liszt has no emotion in his music should listen to liebestraum and concert etude no 3
That's true, but one can listen to almost anything by Chopin, not just a handful of pieces, nearly every one of them is supremely beautiful, sublime, and emotionally moving, and in a way that was unique to Chopin. I mean he had a signature sound and style unlike any other composer who's ever lived.
mydogskips2 Comparing the two is foolish. Liszt has countless more obscure pieces that express musical depth. Unfortunately standard pianist repertoire fails to bring these to light whilst most of Chopin's pieces are overplayed. For example, the Reminisces of Don Juan was stated to be "the height of pianism."
@@icst4786 There's a reason Chopin's pieces are overplayed, because they're better
@@icst4786 And who said that Don Juan was the "height of pianism"? Someone unheard of i bet
Liszt lived a lot in Austria! He was an Hungarian-Austrian or a Austrian -Hungarian! Chopin was half French , half Polish! So a good mix of cultures!
We tend to forget when these "classical" pieces were composed, they were contemporary music for their audiences. In that vein, with which contemporary composers can we compare these two men? Any suggestions?
Liszt is better he is so much more unique, I love them both but there's nothing like Liszt out there. Classical piano would be so different without him.
+SithLordJecian What you say is quite laughable as well. "All Liszt did through out his youth was write "covers" of other people's work..." - It seems like you are just an ordinary Liszt hater or something like that. As well as other composers Liszt was much more productive in his youth and all of his masterpieces are are written in his youth. Well, at all, before you say something, just "Liszten" to all of 19 Hungarian Rhapsodies and then decide... Certainly, I don't mean that, Liszt was a better composer than Chopin (This is foolish stuff...). This all depends on personal preferences. And if you haven't noticed, that all of Chopin's works are written in the same style, unlike Liszt... Accordingly, in that angle, Liszt was unique. Also, if you have listened to Hungarian Rhapsody №2 and you still think soo... Then I'm trying to cut water. Transcendental etudes and so on... OGM!
"And if you haven't noticed, that all of Chopin's works are written in the same style, unlike Liszt... "
I don't know if that's completely true, but even if that were so, I believe Chopin(possibly along with Debussy) is the most "unique" composer who ever lived. I mean his music had a inimitable style and sound completely his own, one which has never really been matched by anyone before or since.
Chopin's music just flows so naturally, so effortlessly, it curves and bends with chromaticism and a feeling of nuance unlike anyone else. When you hear a piece of music you can just tell it's Chopin, even if you've never heard it before, his unique SIGNATURE sound is stamped on the piece if you will.
Personally, I don't think you can say quite the same to an equal degree for Liszt.
mydogskips2 I agree. Also people tend to say that Liszt is harder than Chopin. But this is not true at all. It is hard enough to perfect and find the hidden sound of Chopins music with it also being complex to play. Take the Ocean Etude as an example. It should be played with 160bpm which nearly no pianist is able to play it at. And it should also deliver the listener a unique Wave sound with deep and strong expression. Tell me if you find a recording where the piece is played in 160bpm. Maybe then we can find another hidden gem behind the piece
+Donkey Punch Knock-Out Liszt was a genius, everybody that witnessed his playing, attested to it. His father bought him 4,000 sheets of music when he was a kid and all that diversity bestowed upon him the skill to literally improvise masterpieces on the spot.
im a musician and i find more complexity in chopin's piece, its like the modern rock while liszt is pop which many commoners are interested. i find chopin as a dedicated yet passionate pianist while liszt as a mediocre composer (my opinion only)
What is name of the song you playef at the end. Its very beautiful please let me know
Why not, if you live your life with the help of great music, treat composers like different foods instead of starting monomaniac arguments?
Miss mom hearing on 5:30 playing Chopin since my childhood days ❤love that piece.
One thing i love about liszt, is the diferent ways to play the same song (like hungarian rhapsody 2 or mazzepa) thats pretty unique and funnier to play.
Yes, Liszt was hilarious.
By the way, what is the brand of this piano? Sounds so good.
I also thought it sounded good - but obviously not everyone agrees! (must be that brand thing again.)
the overhead cam is a great idea ...thank you!
really enjoy your videos..they re such fun and entertaining...and then boy..that playing!
Comparing Chopin and Liszt is a tricky affair. Both have been my top favorite composers for a decade now but I can't tip the balance in favor of one of them. Chopin is, indeed, the piano poet, and if you ask me where Chopin has the upper hand compared to Liszt: nuances. However, looking at a few pieces and making a judgment is not very accurate. Liszt's output, composition and transcription-wise, exceeds the 1,000 mark; those works (for those interested, Leslie Howard played the entire works by Liszt in 99 CDs). Liszt made a progression over the years and his style matured more and more into something more reflective and spiritual. Despite the fact that Liszt was portrayed as the "show-off" pianist, it's important to note that he was a true perfectionist and hard-worker because he revised many of his compositions and studies, some of them have up to three versions for the same piece.
You are a great teacher. You bring music history to life.
You should do Alkan vs Liszt/Chopin.
it seems actually pretty simple. the difference is like that between big band and basement club jazz. both are unbelievable for the virtuosity, control, musicality, and emotion. they're actually just that fundamentally separated.
I return very often to the annees de pelerinage and the consolations. I also love some late works aswell as the piano sonata of course.
If you don't think those pieces are poetic I don't know what is.
For me personally chopin doesn't really have that many pieces I like to come back to but after all its just my personal taste.
Excellently explained from an expert!
I do enjoy this episode, but I would love to see videos by you comparing Bach's keyboard works with his contemporaries, and Bath with later composers.
Liszt was born in Hungary but he didn’t speak the language. His mother tongue was German and I believe he was ethnically Germanic as well.
This is a difficult argument/comparison when familiar with most of the output of both Masters. My opinion is to treat them as complete individuals and accept their own musical language and thinking as composers and pianists
I love when the piano isn't a stainway. More variety of sound.
I'm going with both but Listz is my favorite at the end of the day the complex Hungarian rhapsodies and the complex pieces just hit home for me