Just found your video, enjoyed it thoroughly. I'm a youngster of 71 years young, I started in engineering after school at Hawker Siddely Dynamics. Never looked back. I see the same things with the youngsters of today, I blame the schools for not teaching anything " hands on " it's all academic, no wonder our manufacturing skills are being lost. Machinery has never been as cheep, with imported equipment but the tools to go with them and needed is beyond a lot of peoples budget these days. Us oldies that grew up in engineering were able to " acquire " tools and other " bits " over many years. It's only when new tooling is required when you realise the cost for a newcomer into the hobby. Even our casting supplier's are slowly diminishing. Other countries don't seem to have our problem though.
Hi Allan, nice to see someone else with their name spelt the right way 😉 ( how many times have you said that's Allan with two L's and an A ), was that Hawker Siddley at Kinston upon Thames by any chance?
@@TweedsGarage Hi Allan. No I was at Lostock near Bolton, served my time there as fitter/turner in 1967 in the days where we where taught all types of machining for toolroom work and short batches for the aircraft industry. Good old days.
Your words are so true. Interestingly I'm also an amateur radio hobbyist (call sign VK2LF). For years it was seen as an old man's hobby and, indeed, it seemed that way. In the last few years, however, the average age of our club members has gone down about two decades. Enthusiasts ( of any age) in any hobby must get out and spread the word. Enjoying catching up on your older videos. Cheers.
You said it all with "'o'-level metalwork", do they even teach that at a secondary school these days? Whilst I did not do metalwork at 'o'-level (I don't remember this being offered, pottery definitely was), in the first year, we did basic metalwork (making a tin box & soldering the joins together), woodwork (making a pencil box) and for an all-boys school, "home economics" - sewing & cooking! In physics, we were taught very basic electrics, how to change a fuse and wire a plug & simple wiring (it was an all-boys school, so had to keep it a lid on things...!!!), all the basic skills to build on later in life. I am sure that they don't teach anything like that now. But really important stuff. Great that you have completed the engine, let's hope the Riley does not take that long to finish! I too try to encourage interest in my vintage cars, my 1934 Austin 7 Ruby is my regular driver - soon to be replaced by my 1930 Austin Swallow saloon, so I try to raise the profile locally of our cars by using them as much as possible, but does need more owners, especially of pre-war cars, doing the same thing to have an impact. Thanks for sharing, now, I will have to dig out the static steam engine my Grandfather made whilst he was stationed overseas during WWII for his young son (my Dad) and get this running again. The boiler was made from a used shell!
Hi Gary, I think our year was last to do metalwork/woodwork/technical drawing as separate subjects as it then became CDT ( craft design and technology ). Sounds like they gave you a good all round knowledge ( we also had to do a stint of sewing and cooking but both have come in useful over the years ). It'll be good to see the Swallow out and about and good luck with your Grandfather's steam engine but maybe not use the boiler if it is made of brass as it sufferers from dezincification under steam conditions ( that's why most boilers are copper or steel with bronze fittings )
Thanks for the video. I think the age of the model making as a hobby has been in decline for many years. Don't get me wrong, some engineers continue to produce work of the highest quality but new blood wishing to have a go has become much rarer. I think the reason for this is many fold, not least taking things apart and being able to get a part and repair it isn't an option due to the manner in which they are made. This in the past has sparked many people's interest in engineering. I think those younger people who have a hobby today will be more likely to be in the computer/electronics direction. Many thanks for the video offerings this year and I wish you and Mrs Tweed a Merry Christmas.
Absolutely get the young ones interested, I drive buses the are as old as me (over 70) I get the kids in the cab and get the parents taking photos it is a photo they will remember forever and just might spark the interest for the future.
You are correct in many ways. Car clubs do have many younger members but us older ones dominate. The goods that youngsters grow up with and have in the home today, to my eye will not be able to be used 20, or 50 or more years into the future. Somethings will change; many items will biodegrade let alone rust! Hopefully what we leave as our legacy will continue to provide interest in the future. After all children will always be as we were, listening to Grandpa saying he won't be interested in all that old stuff. Happy Christmas Mr Tweed. Thank you for the posts.
The world seems to be waking up to the fact that stuff has to be repairable and we can't just keep throwing broken things away, hopefully the tide will turn and people will be interested in repairing items again and gaining the skills to do it. Merry Christmas Mr B
Great video Allan, the level of skill involved in the making of those models is insane; and as you rightly say in danger of being lost forever. Just noticed I've missed your last video, going to watch it next...
Glad you found the video, clicking the bell icon doesn't seem to be a guarantee of being notified of new videos....that´s technology for you...thanks for tuning in Allen.
A enjoyable insight to another world, your end comments are profound and true. This very apparent in the vintage car movement, this has been highlighted by many car cubs. I dont have an answer but owning and driving a pre war car will disappear and they will only be seen in museum's. Although events like Goodwood are ever more popular. On a lighter note can I recommend MrCrispins YT to you as I think you will find it interesting., Happy Christmas Alan and thankyou for educating , inspiring and entertaining me over the year.
Well thank you Russell it's my pleasure and a Happy Christmas to you. You can indeed recommend Mr Crispin and his brothers toothbrush as he is very informative ( and a bit above my level )and he now has Merch !!!! what lady wouldn't want a Mr Crispin swimming costume for Christmas :-)
@@TweedsGarage that is nice :o) I ran out of time and had to do some at home. There wasn’t time for fancy bearings. But, 37 years later it hasn’t worn out, mainly because it hardly ever runs :D
Just found your channel. will have a browse though the contents. I bought some 10h and 10 v part sets of castings off ebay, I've done 2H's and one V. One more V to do. I also have a part set of 5a castings to machine.
Glad to have you aboard. sounds like you've got enough projects to keep you busy, I have another set of castings for a smaller vertical ST engine but I´m not sure which number.
Of the forty seconds i watched ... may i suggest... its 'crosshead' (not slide) and a piston cannot be bored only the cylinder, also term 'model engineer' is always singular.
Steady there Naz, I might get the odd coffee or tea but I´m not sure there'd be many biscuits as Mrs Tweed uses biscuits as a bribe to get me back into the house occasionally ;-)
I have to hand it to you.. that was worth waiting for! And that is a wonderful little steamy you've got there. I know exactly what you are talking about when it comes to interest in our analog machines in this digital world. Just look at the statistics on your youtube channel, I'd be willing to bet it's mostly the over 60 crowd like mine. I don't know what the answer is, but I can tell you this, I have never taken the speedster out of the driveway and not had people of all ages, colors and creeds wave and smile when I go by. So the interest is there but the path to being involved is unsure. Just since I started the speedster project three years ago, I have seen parts become harder and harder to find and the costs go up and up. And also keep in mind that my project is nothing special compared to a Model T speedster with all the period correct goodies and correct engineering, mine is built on a shoestring. So anyways, enjoyed the show and Merry Christmas from the Shed.
Yep..... 100 percent, 65 plus is the viewing audience over the past 28 days, unfortunately anybody under 30 doesn´t seem to cope with videos longer than 3 minutes....I mean I´ve viewed a few `shorts´ and you don't learn anything, I just sit there wondering what the point of the video was ( and won't bother making them ) and how anybody gleans anything useful from them......anyway old man rant over, you do yourself a disservice Randy as your Speedster is probably a truer representation of what they were in the era, I should imagine a lot of the examples around are modern reproductions with a good chunk of wonga ( slang for cash ) thrown at them, I think most original ones were probably driven into the ground or had a flat head V8 chucked in them to make them faster than the old 4 pot. Happy Christmas and go easy on the Sherry .
Hi Tweed, I just stumbled across your channel. I enjoyed this video, lovely Stuart engine there and excellent footage of the engineering show - some wonderful traction engines on display - hope to make one myself at some point. I wish we had more model engineering clubs and shows in the USA, but amazingly we really don't. Anyway, enjoyed this, and will watch some others. Cheers and Merry Christmas.
Hi Stuart, glad you could join us at Tweed´s Garage, good luck with the the traction engine, would you be looking at something like the American Case or one of the British offerings?
Definitely something British in design. They are a little more elegant. I have nothing against the Case or indeed any other make of steam tractor, but the Allchin is a delight, and who can't fall in love with a showman engine?
@@StuartsShed you are quite right but I didn't want to cast aspersions on a fellows National traction engines. The Fowler showmen engines are particularly fine along with one of my favourite the McLaren heavy haulage engines.
@@TweedsGarage Yes indeed, the Fowlers are splendid engines! I love a Case or a Minneapolis, and have some good footage from some big threshing shows, but the USA approached traction engines in a very utilitarian way. Nothing wrong with that, but the finished British engines just have a bit more to them. Not the same situation with locomotives, which is interesting perhaps.
I too would do a Brit machine. The US ones are very good, but the Puritan influence in America is strong, leading to a durable but no frills design style. So for fun and pretty, make it Brit, eh.
Excellent video with many good observations, I think that the youth of today are more interested in electronic instant result things, not for them filing a piece of mild steel for hours until it fits. At least you got to use your sine bar Allan, if we do not use these pieces of equipment they die though lack of use, that is if we can find them in our stores of "junk". Some nice views of the exhibition, I remember when the London show had people queuing up right round the block, but as you saw, we are getting fewer! Happy Christmas to you, and many thanks for all the interesting videos you brought us this year. Chris B.
The con rod and eccentric strap are significantly shorter in length because they are castings for the smaller Stuart 10H engine. The 10H is virtually a smaller scale model of the number 8. Just for comparison the 10H engine is 3/4" bore and 3/4" stroke. The Number 8 is 1" bore and 1" stroke so you can see where the 1/4" difference/discrepancy comes from with your 2 'rogue' castings......mystery solved🤪
The worst loss of show was Harrogate. I wrote an article a number of years ago in Turnout magazine about the average of the hobby. It began around ten years ago. As for the cost of the hobby, it is still cheaper than a golf club. I am also involved in Freemasonry, again it appeals to an age of person.
I think clubs of all types are finding it difficult to attract young people, they ( not all of course ) tend to want to get instant entertainment online/on screen rather than going along to a club and commiting time to something that takes more than three minutes. Hopefully the pendulum will swing the other way.
I would argue that outside the very rare and exotics like MV Augusta, Vincent, Manx and bevel drive Ducat the market for all the rest of the motorcycle machinery is depressed because people are too old and decrepit to kickstart Them into life . The younger generation don’t want old, oily bikes so theprices fall
You are not wrong, a lot of older riders are switching to Japanese bikes with electric leg savers although some dig deep and fit Alton electric start kits to their beloved English iron ( about the same price as a 2nd hand Suzuki SV650 )
Just found your video, enjoyed it thoroughly. I'm a youngster of 71 years young, I started in engineering after school at Hawker Siddely Dynamics. Never looked back. I see the same things with the youngsters of today, I blame the schools for not teaching anything " hands on " it's all academic, no wonder our manufacturing skills are being lost. Machinery has never been as cheep, with imported equipment but the tools to go with them and needed is beyond a lot of peoples budget these days. Us oldies that grew up in engineering were able to " acquire " tools and other " bits " over many years. It's only when new tooling is required when you realise the cost for a newcomer into the hobby. Even our casting supplier's are slowly diminishing. Other countries don't seem to have our problem though.
Hi Allan, nice to see someone else with their name spelt the right way 😉 ( how many times have you said that's Allan with two L's and an A ), was that Hawker Siddley at Kinston upon Thames by any chance?
@@TweedsGarage Hi Allan. No I was at Lostock near Bolton, served my time there as fitter/turner in 1967 in the days where we where taught all types of machining for toolroom work and short batches for the aircraft industry. Good old days.
Very best wishes for Christmas and the new year, looking forward to more Tweeds Garage next year. Thank you
Thank you Brian and a Merry Christmas to you
Good to finish a project 😀 I spotted myself at 19:45 on the 2.5” gauge stand 🤣 you caught my best side!
I'm going to have to go and have a look now 😄
Your words are so true. Interestingly I'm also an amateur radio hobbyist (call sign VK2LF). For years it was seen as an old man's hobby and, indeed, it seemed that way. In the last few years, however, the average age of our club members has gone down about two decades. Enthusiasts ( of any age) in any hobby must get out and spread the word.
Enjoying catching up on your older videos.
Cheers.
ah that's good to hear in these modern times, I have a couple of friends into HAM radio and glad you're going through the vault
Thanks Mr Tweed for producing your videos I always look forward to them they are my favourites. Best wishes for Christmas
It's my pleasure Bruce, Merry Christmas to you
You said it all with "'o'-level metalwork", do they even teach that at a secondary school these days?
Whilst I did not do metalwork at 'o'-level (I don't remember this being offered, pottery definitely was), in the first year, we did basic metalwork (making a tin box & soldering the joins together), woodwork (making a pencil box) and for an all-boys school, "home economics" - sewing & cooking! In physics, we were taught very basic electrics, how to change a fuse and wire a plug & simple wiring (it was an all-boys school, so had to keep it a lid on things...!!!), all the basic skills to build on later in life. I am sure that they don't teach anything like that now. But really important stuff.
Great that you have completed the engine, let's hope the Riley does not take that long to finish!
I too try to encourage interest in my vintage cars, my 1934 Austin 7 Ruby is my regular driver - soon to be replaced by my 1930 Austin Swallow saloon, so I try to raise the profile locally of our cars by using them as much as possible, but does need more owners, especially of pre-war cars, doing the same thing to have an impact.
Thanks for sharing, now, I will have to dig out the static steam engine my Grandfather made whilst he was stationed overseas during WWII for his young son (my Dad) and get this running again. The boiler was made from a used shell!
Hi Gary,
I think our year was last to do metalwork/woodwork/technical drawing as separate subjects as it then became CDT ( craft design and technology ). Sounds like they gave you a good all round knowledge ( we also had to do a stint of sewing and cooking but both have come in useful over the years ). It'll be good to see the Swallow out and about and good luck with your Grandfather's steam engine but maybe not use the boiler if it is made of brass as it sufferers from dezincification under steam conditions ( that's why most boilers are copper or steel with bronze fittings )
DEffo keep up the good work on the Riley, please.
Thanks Anthony, I´m on it otherwise I´ll have Mrs Tweed to answer to..
Thanks for the video. I think the age of the model making as a hobby has been in decline for many years. Don't get me wrong, some engineers continue to produce work of the highest quality but new blood wishing to have a go has become much rarer.
I think the reason for this is many fold, not least taking things apart and being able to get a part and repair it isn't an option due to the manner in which they are made. This in the past has sparked many people's interest in engineering.
I think those younger people who have a hobby today will be more likely to be in the computer/electronics direction.
Many thanks for the video offerings this year and I wish you and Mrs Tweed a Merry Christmas.
It's my pleasure Colin and a Merry Christmas to you and yours :-)
Absolutely get the young ones interested, I drive buses the are as old as me (over 70) I get the kids in the cab and get the parents taking photos it is a photo they will remember forever and just might spark the interest for the future.
Hi Nicholas, that's some good work you're doing there, all kids love an old bus ( an quite a lot of adults ), what buses do you drive?
You are correct in many ways. Car clubs do have many younger members but us older ones dominate. The goods that youngsters grow up with and have in the home today, to my eye will not be able to be used 20, or 50 or more years into the future. Somethings will change; many items will biodegrade let alone rust! Hopefully what we leave as our legacy will continue to provide interest in the future. After all children will always be as we were, listening to Grandpa saying he won't be interested in all that old stuff. Happy Christmas Mr Tweed. Thank you for the posts.
The world seems to be waking up to the fact that stuff has to be repairable and we can't just keep throwing broken things away, hopefully the tide will turn and people will be interested in repairing items again and gaining the skills to do it. Merry Christmas Mr B
Just subscribed. Really enjoying the content!
Welcome aboard, glad you like it 👍
Great video Allan, the level of skill involved in the making of those models is insane; and as you rightly say in danger of being lost forever. Just noticed I've missed your last video, going to watch it next...
Glad you found the video, clicking the bell icon doesn't seem to be a guarantee of being notified of new videos....that´s technology for you...thanks for tuning in Allen.
A enjoyable insight to another world, your end comments are profound and true. This very apparent in the vintage car movement, this has been highlighted by many car cubs. I dont have an answer but owning and driving a pre war car will disappear and they will only be seen in museum's. Although events like Goodwood are ever more popular. On a lighter note can I recommend MrCrispins YT to you as I think you will find it interesting.,
Happy Christmas Alan and thankyou for educating , inspiring and entertaining me over the year.
Well thank you Russell it's my pleasure and a Happy Christmas to you. You can indeed recommend Mr Crispin and his brothers toothbrush as he is very informative ( and a bit above my level )and he now has Merch !!!! what lady wouldn't want a Mr Crispin swimming costume for Christmas :-)
@@TweedsGarage Sounds like you already know of him. but thought you are kindred spirits..All the best.
I did the same O level project :o) I used a square block for the bearing and milled in an oil pocket.
Mine has a phosphor bronze bearing at each end of a drilled out round bar with the shaft running in an oil bath and an oil hole on the top 🙂
@@TweedsGarage that is nice :o) I ran out of time and had to do some at home. There wasn’t time for fancy bearings. But, 37 years later it hasn’t worn out, mainly because it hardly ever runs :D
Really interesting stuff. Subbed here.
Thanks John, welcome aboard 🙂
Just found your channel. will have a browse though the contents. I bought some 10h and 10 v part sets of castings off ebay, I've done 2H's and one V. One more V to do. I also have a part set of 5a castings to machine.
Glad to have you aboard. sounds like you've got enough projects to keep you busy, I have another set of castings for a smaller vertical ST engine but I´m not sure which number.
Of the forty seconds i watched ... may i suggest... its 'crosshead' (not slide) and a piston cannot be bored only the cylinder, also term 'model engineer' is always singular.
Mrs. Tweed, keep him in the shop beavering away on the Riley. bring him coffee and biscuits. get the Riley moving.
Steady there Naz, I might get the odd coffee or tea but I´m not sure there'd be many biscuits as Mrs Tweed uses biscuits as a bribe to get me back into the house occasionally ;-)
I have to hand it to you.. that was worth waiting for! And that is a wonderful little steamy you've got there. I know exactly what you are talking about when it comes to interest in our analog machines in this digital world. Just look at the statistics on your youtube channel, I'd be willing to bet it's mostly the over 60 crowd like mine. I don't know what the answer is, but I can tell you this, I have never taken the speedster out of the driveway and not had people of all ages, colors and creeds wave and smile when I go by. So the interest is there but the path to being involved is unsure. Just since I started the speedster project three years ago, I have seen parts become harder and harder to find and the costs go up and up. And also keep in mind that my project is nothing special compared to a Model T speedster with all the period correct goodies and correct engineering, mine is built on a shoestring. So anyways, enjoyed the show and Merry Christmas from the Shed.
Yep..... 100 percent, 65 plus is the viewing audience over the past 28 days, unfortunately anybody under 30 doesn´t seem to cope with videos longer than 3 minutes....I mean I´ve viewed a few `shorts´ and you don't learn anything, I just sit there wondering what the point of the video was ( and won't bother making them ) and how anybody gleans anything useful from them......anyway old man rant over, you do yourself a disservice Randy as your Speedster is probably a truer representation of what they were in the era, I should imagine a lot of the examples around are modern reproductions with a good chunk of wonga ( slang for cash ) thrown at them, I think most original ones were probably driven into the ground or had a flat head V8 chucked in them to make them faster than the old 4 pot.
Happy Christmas and go easy on the Sherry .
Hi Tweed, I just stumbled across your channel. I enjoyed this video, lovely Stuart engine there and excellent footage of the engineering show - some wonderful traction engines on display - hope to make one myself at some point. I wish we had more model engineering clubs and shows in the USA, but amazingly we really don't. Anyway, enjoyed this, and will watch some others. Cheers and Merry Christmas.
Hi Stuart, glad you could join us at Tweed´s Garage, good luck with the the traction engine, would you be looking at something like the American Case or one of the British offerings?
Definitely something British in design. They are a little more elegant. I have nothing against the Case or indeed any other make of steam tractor, but the Allchin is a delight, and who can't fall in love with a showman engine?
@@StuartsShed you are quite right but I didn't want to cast aspersions on a fellows National traction engines. The Fowler showmen engines are particularly fine along with one of my favourite the McLaren heavy haulage engines.
@@TweedsGarage Yes indeed, the Fowlers are splendid engines! I love a Case or a Minneapolis, and have some good footage from some big threshing shows, but the USA approached traction engines in a very utilitarian way. Nothing wrong with that, but the finished British engines just have a bit more to them. Not the same situation with locomotives, which is interesting perhaps.
I too would do a Brit machine. The US ones are very good, but the Puritan influence in America is strong, leading to a durable but no frills design style. So for fun and pretty, make it Brit, eh.
Excellent video with many good observations, I think that the youth of today are more interested in electronic instant result things, not for them filing a piece of mild steel for hours until it fits. At least you got to use your sine bar Allan, if we do not use these pieces of equipment they die though lack of use, that is if we can find them in our stores of "junk". Some nice views of the exhibition, I remember when the London show had people queuing up right round the block, but as you saw, we are getting fewer! Happy Christmas to you, and many thanks for all the interesting videos you brought us this year. Chris B.
yes those hours of filing and fitting could be quite tedious so its easy to understand people being put off. Merry Christmas to you and yours Chris.
The con rod and eccentric strap are significantly shorter in length because they are castings for the smaller Stuart 10H engine.
The 10H is virtually a smaller scale model of the number 8.
Just for comparison the 10H engine is 3/4" bore and 3/4" stroke. The Number 8 is 1" bore and 1" stroke so you can see where the 1/4" difference/discrepancy comes from with your 2 'rogue' castings......mystery solved🤪
That's some damn fine sleuthing there Howard.....top of the class for you 🙂
Don't radial engines have an odd number of pistons?
most of the time, some 2 stroke diesel and sleeve valve Bristols have even number of cylinders
The worst loss of show was Harrogate.
I wrote an article a number of years ago in Turnout magazine about the average of the hobby. It began around ten years ago. As for the cost of the hobby, it is still cheaper than a golf club. I am also involved in Freemasonry, again it appeals to an age of person.
I think clubs of all types are finding it difficult to attract young people, they ( not all of course ) tend to want to get instant entertainment online/on screen rather than going along to a club and commiting time to something that takes more than three minutes. Hopefully the pendulum will swing the other way.
@@TweedsGarage The way is through organised generosity of time.
Genuine interest will show when it is present.
I would argue that outside the very rare and exotics like MV Augusta, Vincent, Manx and bevel drive Ducat the market for all the rest of the motorcycle machinery is depressed because people are too old and decrepit to kickstart Them into life
. The younger generation don’t want old, oily bikes so theprices fall
You are not wrong, a lot of older riders are switching to Japanese bikes with electric leg savers although some dig deep and fit Alton electric start kits to their beloved English iron ( about the same price as a 2nd hand Suzuki SV650 )
Did find interesting until the crappie music at that point threw the towel in