Is It Time to Stop Using Horses in the Forces?
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- Опубликовано: 24 апр 2024
- Yesterday 5 Household Cavalry horses escaped and ran loose across London. It comes after a police horse was attacked by a protestor on St George's Day. So, is it time to stop using horses in the forces?
Former Met Police Chief Superintendent Parm Sandhu and PETA's Jennifer White debate.
Broadcast on 25/04/24
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Its not the horses that are the problem.
Its women
@@domestinger8805 😱🤣
@@domestinger8805bro 💀
On a related note, if a couple or injured horses with the Police is sufficient to end the practice, how many race horse are injured every year and there is no call on the news to end the sport.
Too much support for horse racing.
Thats a brilliant point. The whole thing here is its news for the brain dead to be distracted by.
There are calls to end the cruel sport of horse-racing. Did you not see the protests at the Grand National?
Too much taxmoney made on betting to end horseracing.
@@barrysharp9792there hasn’t been a gambling tax since 2001
…Is that a serious question? This incident secured media/public attention precisely because it is (nearly) unprecedented therefore questioning whether all military horses need to be retired after this one bizarre incident is absurd.
What next I wonder: ‘Man gashes hand whilst using a screwdriver… is it time to ban screwdrivers?’ Ludicrous. 😩
That's the way mainstream media think and the rest of the lemons and sausages that live amongst us.
Perfect summary, but they can't get clicks if they don't dramatise the situation.. Whenever they can get people on TV arguing they will. Stops us looking at issues with certain presenters 👀
😂 They’ll find anything to complain about.
Absolutely! You could also say from an equal stand point that all construction work should be banned in London so that bits don't come crashing down???
Well said, but the UK loves to ban stuff these days.. honestly. bans everywhere and cameras also urgh
Remember when someone crashed a car and all the media was asking, "Is It Time to Stop Using Cars?"
No?
Because it never happened. It would be a really dumb thing to suggest. Just like this.
These types want to ban our forces, let alone the horses
Forces who invade other countries illegally.
They dont know what they want.
One moment they hate the state because its racist, sexist, fascist etc, the next they want increased powers so the government can jail you for wrongthink.
Horses want to go to war to defend this island just as much as we do!
@@DarrenJamiesonJamiesondid they tell you that
@@DarrenJamiesonJamieson😂
One freak incident and the uninformed "ban it brigade" start squealing...so predictable! 🤮
Amen to that. Its part of our culture so the ban it brigade can clear off.
Absolutely 👍
What do military horses actually do these days though. Nothing. What's the point.
@@support_people_not_evilThey are a British tradition.
If you don't like it leave...you won't be missed.
Before cars were invented the horse was the only mode of transport , these horses get the best veterinary care, these incidents are extremely rare.
highly doubt it if they go insane half the time
What a pointless discussion, those horses are the most cared for in the whole of the UK.
Don't be so sure 🤔✌️
What they prefer that to living in a feild? What's your source they're the most cared for?
One has a history of spooking and they keep using it putting the horse, the rider and the public at risk. That isn't caring.
correct they live a great life
Why have we got to keep having non British people telling us what's right or wrong?
Overreaction to everything nowadays! Something that’s never happened before…..Oh quick ban it!!
Stop the boats . Lots of criminals have arrived on the boats. They are more of a danger than our wonderful horses
Can't you think of anything else at all?
@@redmed10 he’s 💯correct regarding the boats , your either one of the lefty liberals that welcomes them in or one of them.
@@redmed10what's wrong with the truth?
@@StevieZeroStop reading the Daily Heil
Liberal alert @@redmed10
It's time to stop people from grabbing at the horses, trying to pravoke a reaction from the guards and disrespecting the mounted soldiers.
Horses have been working in these roles for decades and how often have you seen this happen that happened yesterday?
They've been working in these roles for hundreds of years, not mere decades. 🙂
It’s 2024 mate. Anything happens in the world and the media instantly have a panel “BAN IT. GOVERNMENT NEED TO MAKE A NEW LAW. NEVER AGAIN. IN THIS DAY AND AGE…(no one can be insulted, no one can be bruised, hurt, offended, made to wait twenty seconds, die of an illness….etc)”
@@monicawarner4091 I wrote decades not decade therefore 1 decade plus 1 decade plus 1 decade ect ect =
you act like horses are humans lol in that sentance
@@Jfalways • Yes, I am perfectly aware of that. However, when referring to time scales considerably longer than, say 100yrs, as in this case, it is customary to refer to 3 centuries rather than 30 decades.
By the way, the abbreviation for 'etcetera' is 'etc.' not 'ect.'
If you've ever owned horses you will know they enjoy working.
Not all horses bolt, some are genuinely not fazed by anything and are extremely well behaved.
Horses would be field ornaments if some people had their own way which is not fulfilling for their lives, they will get laminitis grazing all the time, be overweight and be destructive out of boredom so leave them to it, they are a great asset and earn their keep with the amazing work they do.
Hear hear ,very well said
It is a very isolated incident the last dreadful one was when the IRA bombed in London here come the do gooders god help us
Last one happened a few years ago in the streets of London. I would know. I was there. We need to separate this argument into two distinct grievances. The police horses are trained and effective in the job and should be kept. The military on the other hand has absolutely no reason other than to maintain tradition. The horses are kept in bad conditions locked in a stall with limited movement throughout the day and their horses aren't trained to the same level as the police.
@@bradswift7003 I imagine the H & S practices of the building company are being examined. I certainly hope so.
Horses are working animals so they serve a purpose especially in the army and police ❤❤❤
Really, one unfortunate incident that was a bit random and now we should remove them. Get a life everyone. There are reasons for having them.
Hear , hear , well said !! Heartily agree!!
This is the world in 2024
Yeah for battering rams against people according to this cop.....
@@mickyovts3872 😂😂 I wonder if he got a rollicking?
Excactly totally agree 👍
Perhaps builders should be banned near horses.
Very well said! 👏
The horses are well cared for in the forces as are the mascots (who are spoilt rotten) but then Police wouldn't be able to use mounted officers to control drunken yobs in Whitehall.
You mean the Palestine mob with their faces covered causing problems every weekend. 👍
Who controls the police yobs ????
The Home Office & the IOPC
The only yobs there were in uniform, pedestrian or equestrian. Shameful.
This was a one in millions event. No need to ban horses in the army. The construction workers need investigating as to why they allowed this to happen as the horses were passing. It takes seconds to look, especially as this is a regular event and the construction site knows it takes place.
Horses have been used for Centuries in London, including the times of Roman London; it’s our Culture to have Horse Parades, and should not be canceled for few instances.
So once again
The reason to keep doing something is
“We’ve always done it like that!”
@@maalikserebryakov Yes!
@@maalikserebryakov More horses are put down because of stepping in rabbit holes… should we ban them from fields?
If we just cancel buses, taxis and builders then more horses in London would be safer.
The French eat horsemeat. The English did too.
Cancel everyone.
Slaves used to be the in thing back in the day but it's not moral is it? That's why they stopped
Surely the issue is the falling masonry that spooked the horses? Horses form part of a line of command that is generally very helpful in the stable control of crowds. This was a rare incident caused entirely by an outside actor.
Ah yes.....but you mustn't let the facts interfere with a snowflake on a soapbox!!
That's really dangerous that the concrete fell off. I hope they get fined for that. Also I hope the two "seriously injured horses" aren't put down as they don't deserve it. There's seems to be more occurrences lately.
Unlikely to be euthanised. Looks like glass laceration, worse has happened to horses on duty and they still got medical care and depending on temperament changes and severity they can go back to work.
@@FoxInTheStudio I hope so. X
Tragic event but totally ott response. Didn’t get the names of those taking part but the blonde woman quite clearly knows nothing about horses, their training or behaviour. Or the way they are cared for by the military or police. I’m sorry I don’t understand why this woman was even involved. She probably wants to ban horse racing too! Has she even been near a horse … 🙄
Bet they won’t consider stopping horse racing though
Why should they
Animal abuse with a profit
I certainly hope not. I'd miss the Derby, Royal Ascot and the Ebor meetings something terrible. My summer just wouldn't be the same.
@@SlumDog-ip8bqbecause it’s animal cruelty obviously
@@-JT-543 PETA euthanized has thousands of Dogs/cats . Seriously that's Cruel it's justification was they couldn't be housed 🤬💔
If the forces didn’t have horses these actual horses wouldn’t even exist.
Honestly some people seem to think that they will free all the animals, but the vast majority are bred for a reason.
Blurred out blood on the horse? Sanitization
Pathetic isn't it
As if people of all ages haven't seen blood. Pathetic GMB!
Probably in case children are watching at that hour.
@@anjou6497 They see much worse on social media, unfortunately.
@@anjou6497 Children who watch the news are getting traumatised anyway 😅
Is it time for newsreaders to sit and report the news as opposed to the modern trend of giving (often uneducated) opinions?
Before the jeep in ww2 the horse was the fastest way to get across a battle filed .it still has it's place.these are some of the most cared for horses there are .
Honestly you people get real. This hasn't and doesn't happen every 5mins. It's just one of those things you probably won't see again in your lifetime so just shut up making a mountain out of a molehill.
Well said! 👏👏👏
Here we go again, woke try cancel 😞 what wrong with this country or so government 🙄
So by the same token, if two people get bitten by a dog, does that mean we should ban all dogs?🙄
I think that these horses are looked after well and ita actually a good thing they are still used. Low on emissions and a green solution. Ive seen footage from how they are looked after and its better than how some people are looked after. One incident does not make for a panic.
Perhaps we should ban everything!
What we should do is to educate people about our behaviour around animals, including horses.
So we have had very few inccidents in hundreds of years history and one bad inccident doesnt call for this they are needed and well looked after surely the police and the forces need them
How many die in races? Not all horse deaths are reported, stop waffling.
If we don’t use the horses, they would be surplus and so destroyed. Thousands of them destroyed.
One incident and suddenly the call to stop use horses.Always the I know better than everyone else brigade.
For god's sake, is this an everyday event, NO..So grow up and stop this nonsense. Worse things are happening every day and no one is fixing those.
How many people were ingured by motor traffic that day?
It’s horse racing that’s the biggest killer of horses. 65 at the Aintree Grand National meet since 2000. It’s not really a sport, it’s all about gambling - nobody would watch it if you couldn’t bet.
Exactly! 👍
Well join the campain to get these vile events banned.
Beautiful horses. I'm so sad they're fighting for their life right now❤️😪
Fighting for there life??? One had a cut on the leg, its hardly Fighting for its life. Get a grip of yourself
Broken leg I heard @@darkprophetpaza4247
@@darkprophetpaza4247 Erm..no. The grey had a deep cut to his front chest area with bright red arterial blood coming out. He collided with a vehicle. He has been operated on, along with another horse.
They've had operations but not critical don't worry
@@anjou6497 Ahh thanks🙏🏻 for the update I hadn't seen your reply 😊
Absolute, tosh. Their primary use is ceremonial and yes, for the police, civil control. The horses are very well cared for and this is an unfortunate, one-off
they always seem restless and annoyed
It is ridiculous to state that horses should be removed. They're part of our history.
So you want to have thousands of horses put down because of a freak accident? And no, they won’t be re-homed. Military and Police horses are notoriously difficult to re-home they’ve been trained to do things riding schools and pet owners consider antisocial.
Why should they be put down? If that's the attitude it says it sl;l about how the horses are thought of, like all those surviving horses left behind after the war instead of bringing them home.
@@catherinewilliams3850 So what are they going to do with them? You would have it so they can’t use them and they’re not much good for anything else because of their training… you gonna take them in for your cats to ride 🤣
As soon as I heard there was a horse loose in London I knew the self righteous people would be calling for the end of horses in the forces.
My head is in my hands. When was the last time this happened?!!! This is such a non story from people who don’t have a clue. The guest is a joke. These incidents happen with horses all over the country, all over the world and always have.
This is an iscolated incident. It was not the fault of the military. The household cavalry do not take horses into battle they operate tanks. These horses are purely ceremonial. Yes horses are unpredictable but the soldiers who ride them are highly trained and the horses are very well cared for.
Horses have been in service for decades and just one incident of all these many years ought not detract from their effective roles in society.
The mad rush to take horses out of the public use is just an overreaction to the raresr of incidents.
If the public wouldnt _pussyfoot_ around horses, treating them as "fur babies" (the insipid use of such silly childish "pet names") and ignorant attitudes to animals in general, when those who complain couldnt care for the animals better rhemselves, is an anathema to me, and to other sensible people who are well aware of their duties and commitments to animal care in daily life...
Its like saying "take birds out of the skies"
Just because some occasionslly fall to the ground, or defacate on the cars!! Imagine your world _without_ birdsong... Now imagine never seing a horse, with its (his or her) Trooper in his or her regalia in ceremonies across the ciry... Imagine rhe lack of control during protest marches or football matches, rhe fact that if visiting the capital, any tourist from an even busier town, where horses may not be working, a child or adult who never witnesses working horses, only via online sources...
What a dull and sad world it would be. Service horses - the Army, Police horses etc, are well-cared for, well-trained and (almost) always a delight on our senses... One rare incident of spooked horses (which could've been avoided if sensible construction workers had waited until the Troopers had ridden out of earshot) ought not be undone by this one rare event. So many years of our history lay on the backs of horses...
If we had fewer horses...
How many perverted people would that please?!
What would those who would deny any horses in our capital, actually _do_ with _all_ of the horses they'd intend to replace with motor vehicles?!
Would they be _eaten_ instead?! 🤔🥺😞
It's a one off , look how often they are out on the streets compared to how many incidents they have.
Need horses in the force.
Also what would happen to the glut of animals
Be destroyed.
Our Horses are wonderful and a great asset to our country and forces...and people..
Unfortunately accidents happen in all parts of life, I am not sure that an accident free world can ever be created...
Integrating animals in our life is so much better than an inanimate world of AI...
🙏🏼🐎🐴🐎🙏🏼🐴🐎🙏🏼
Horses are members of our armed forces the same as dogs.They are brave and faithful And we salute them as we do their human counterparts.
One incident and this….honestly, boring!
A car knocked down one pedestrian, time to ban all cars?!
But no one wants to ban alcohol? Imagine the thousand of lives saved and injuries avoided if alcohol was banned?
Focus are real issues please.
The forces take care for the animals very well!!🐴🐴
Here we go again. Do-gooders trying to stop anything.
The horses stay.
So what the police officer is saying? We use the horses for battering rams against people.
More like a deterrent
That’s exactly what they did on St George’s Day. Pushed them into the crowd, putting them in vulnerable situations. They don’t put armour on the horses which would be so easy.
@@Kellycreatorthey could buy the Oblivion horse armour dlc for £2.50
To be fair if you’re rioting you kind of deserve a charge from horseback officers
Sometimes but sometimes it’s “people”
Some folk just don't know what to try and Cancel next. Why don't anyone want to cancel something useful....like Taxes!!! And not the driveable ones.
We are surrounded by snowflakes. My uncle was one of the vets flown in to treat Sefton following the IRA bomb in 1982. Despite all his operations to treat his multiple injuries, Sefton returned to service in 1984.
Look, it's not like we're sending them into the Valley of Death gainst machine guns is it?
NO STOP STIRRING NONESE UP. LONDON HAS BECOME LOUD. GO TO WORKSITE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED. HORSES ARE WELL LOOKED AFTER. PEOPLE ARE THE TROULE NOT HORSES.
Horses 180 years ago: "So we're going to charge into that line of cannon and mass of guys firing muskets? Sure thing boss"
Campaigners today: "People making loud noises is too much for the horses..."
Spot on.
You can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink.
If the horses didn't want to do this then they wouldn't do it.
people get hurt all the time it happens, but lets ban all stuff were that happens....
Absolutely Not. The erosion of our once great nation would continue. This was obviously a 'one off' .
erosion of our nation?
erosion of our nation?
Yes certainly. There isn't a day goes by I don't have to jump out of the street to avoid getting trampled by a stampede of military horses. London is notorious for it. Escaped horses everywhere.
Why is this conversation happening??? It was an accident.
😂 brilliant!
If they ban horses because a handful of people were injured, why don't they ban m*grants when so many people are knifed?
What is the point of having any horses then?
Lets just sanitise everything and just have humans at a computer just running robots.
Oh and lets stop horse racing and the Donkey Derby, and the Flea Circus at the fair while you are at it.
Yes please lets stop all this animal abuse by money mad prople.
Is this not ridiculous! I can’t ever in my life remember an event like this happening before. The reaction is totally mad
that makes no sense, if it would happen regularly, the reaction would be not existing - and it is a lie too cause a lot of this happens every now and then on parades. happened also on coronation day... and I think people got hurt too, just a bit but still. So the reaction is actually pretty justified. it WAS shocking and should not have happened.
No. They're an important part of history and ceremony.
the horses wont be around much longer if they keep injuring their riders
@@steve00alt70 So how many times has this happened? This was a fluke event and means nothing.
Those horses are ridiculously well cared for and looked after and worth so much to our police force. One horse is worth 20 officers at a football game
We will be taking military personel views on this. Not civilians. Civis know absolutely nothing about why we military personel do things. Just say thank you and go about your day.
That quote didn't go well though, did it?!
Use motorbikes!
You can say you pay for it all you like you’ll still have zero influence, so I’d suggest you carry on paying your taxes and deal with it 👀
@@Kellycreator we already do.
So many opinions and no knowledge or expertise. And that "we pay taxes so we have a right to spout our ignorance" argument. Yawn. Good luck at the job center.
It's ridiculous to have horses this day and age in a city, APC's and Tanks are used now, leave horses in the countryside where they belong!!!
I think there's more important things to discuss on this programme, they seem to avoid all what's going bad with this country at the moment.
Yeah let's go ahead and abolish all our traditions.....I don't think so
What a load of nonsense! One incident and we should stop everything! Horses get spooked, it happens! Horses are not pets
Horses are literally pets.
@@pinkdiamond1847These ones work.
@@pinkdiamond1847not always a lot are working animals
@@asumazillaout of choice?
@@Peacebewithyoux A lot of choices are decided for them.
As long as they are not being mistreated, there’s no reason why not to use horses. They are magnificent animals and love people if you treat them right.
So because of one incident now they should ban horses...
CAVALRY WITHOUT HORSES NEIGH CHANCE
Don’t know how you can joke about it, don’t you have a heart
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ ofcourse they should have the horses, people just want to moan, about everything.....
'Stop horses in the forces'. From what? Playing the cornet too loudly after lights out..?
I got a splinter today, ban wood NOW ! Really sad event for soldiers and horses but please just grow up.
Ridiculous question, let's get rid of cycling in london as they are a danger to pedestrians
Here Here. Good idea
Especially that vine nonse!!!
here we go negatively from the press
So If these Horses were to be removed from military and police it’s simple they only option then would be to put down the hundred plus horses In use atm plus no more would be bred for this that’s a lot of animals no longer existing Maybe this do Gooder needs to go think again
No why should they …every day 1500 horses are taken for exercise in London ..this is a first and apparently as they passed Buck house something like concrete was dropped ..easy answer is to stop work at Buck house whilst the horses go past …they are the best looked after horses around …
Gentle, dignified horses should not have to pay the price for out of control so called humans. They should not be used and exploited for rides, ceremonies, entertainment, bets etc! They deserve dignity, freedom and rights. The saying we have always done it this way, is one of the most dangerous phases in our society.
The end of the horse then.
…you do realise that in such a scenario most of said horses would almost certainly be euthanised rather than set free amongst verdant rolling hills to trot happily ever after? Equally likely is that some would discreetly be sold to France where they’d end up either as glue or the main course. 🙂
@@makara80 • Sadly, critical thinking has gone completely out of fashion these days. It has been replaced by the "muh feelings" brand of virtue-signalling.
Says the one that takes the kids to longleat 🤣
We should provide protection for the horses if they insist on using them, it’s disgusting they don’t have bulletproof vests and flank protection. It would certainly have saved injuries.
Horses enjoy being ridden. If you’ve never owned a horse, you’ll not know how much they love the personal connection when out riding in nature. They should be loved and respected. Police should use motorbikes instead of horses. Nobody wants to get run over…. Crowd dispersal.
No ,half the people going on about horses in the force have no understanding or knowledge of horses at all. Let the proper horsemen make the rules .
So you say it's only half hev people, therefore your saying the other half do have knowledge.
As a horseman, you should recognise they should wear bulletproof protective rugs. Not hard to design or make. It would have saved injuries. This is coming from a horsewoman and designer/seamstress.
@@catherinewilliams3850it’s not knowledge, it’s Karen’s opinion. Funny she wants to leave the decision to horsemen and not even include horsewomen, being a Karen….. 😂😂😂
@@KellycreatorThey are not at war. 😂
Ban horses then ban police dogs ? Oh how convenient...
I hit a pigeon this morning while driving my van to work, maybe we should ban vans 😂🤦♂️
Why stop horses in forcee ?! You get more accidents in cars than horses 😂
What a ridiculous segment.
No one complained to ban police horses when two of them threw the female officers off the horses in London.
bahaha i was joking yesterday they were going to call to ban horses
Just goes to show how badly London centric our media is.
A few horses run London, and it's a major national news item.
No, it's not.
If the same thing happened in any other city, it may just get to be an "and finally"
Yes you’re right there!
That’s all we have left ffs. Thanks to our corrupt politicians
Ridiculous they are a very important part of our military
Oh SHUT UP STOP MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF EVERYTHING.
Guess we are ignoring the fact that these horses are used in a ceremonial roll, and the real issue is the tourists that think its like something out of Disney?
We have always used horses and this type of thing is extremely rare thus the coverage. I see no reason to stop using them.