A small DLC mission where you get to see Duncan and his early life might be an interesting idea but how would you market it? Hey assassin's creed fans, have you ever wanted to play as a complete dumb ass? Come and check out the early life of a man with a little to no principals who eventually got his ass killed by a half drowned pirate!
@@scruffylookingNerfherder5742They will add a plot twist that he was actually doing something super duper important that only he (and the player) knew would save the world, but he was tragically killed by a heartless pirate while in the middle of his mission.
@@scruffylookingNerfherder5742 His death convolutedly butterfly effect to Desmond's death, and its all because of that good teeth hygiene bastard pirate. Thankfully karma got him back when his son Hytham chose the correct side, but was also tragically killed before his mission was completed.
Honestly same, I was planning to search him on the wiki to see what he looked like, because I didn’t know how he looked like until now, but he was so forgettable that I forgot to search him up 😂😂😂😂
Being a master assassin, fleeing like a coward, missing an open shot, failing to escape a pirate and being counter killed in a 1 on 1 has to be the most embarrassing death ever.
In my mind, completely head canon, I like to believe it was symbolic thing. Like how the British lost to untrained farmers. The Americas/West Indies of old just hardened people and I think it at least could help explain why he was so easily outmatched. Alas, it’s embarrassing nonetheless. 😂😅
@@peeko_luxx2873 Nope. Walpole was outmatched for the same reason Edward Kenway was outmatched by random pirates after Roberts betrayed him. Walpole was heavily wounded and would've annihilated Edward if he wasn't. Even the devs said that Edward was only able to beat Duncan Walpole because he was wounded.
Originally, he did have faith in the brotherhood. But every man has his price, like he told to Edward. His moral grounds were just weak and that’s how he was persuaded so easily.
Duncan reminds me of Altair with how both rose to the rank of Master but were arrogant. Thing is Altair learned from his mistakes and contributed much to the brotherhood and was remembered well by them while Duncan cared only about himself and died with no one caring about him.
And was supposedly so well trained to the point he could even be considered a Master Assassin, got killed by a lowly pirate who had no combat training whatsoever
Duncan is a mirror of Edward. Had Edward not had a change of heart, he would’ve been exactly like Duncan. In fact, Edward’s original personality was gonna be like Duncan’s. Quiet, mysterious, even more ruthless, sociopathic.
@@lucasgrey9794 you can argue that, but you can also argue he shouldn't have ran in the first place and fought edward right there and then. he wasted his energy running away when he's already injured, then ultimately dying. Not very "Master Assassin" of him.
5:45 I AM NOT DEFENDING DUNCAN! I am only trying to educate you on the subject of flintlocks. The other flintlock on Duncan wouldn't had worked either as the problem was that the gunpowder in both of them was wet, and therefor couldn't ignite properly (the first flintlock wasn't broken at all). He was later able to shoot him because the gunpowder would've been able to dry itself just enough to catch a spark and ignite, and Duncan tried his luck. Also, because you said that Duncan missed, I remind you that flintlocks, because of their tehnology, or rather the lack of it (messy "cartridges" and smooth bore barrels) are VERY inaccurate (in the game, we're so good at shooting with them just because game mechanics and all that to make it more enjoyable and epic). Hope I helped you a bit! Love ur vids, keep making them just the same!
@@ArslanMagomedov286 it's game time. One second for us it's probably one minute for them. Most games have a day-night cycle of 24 minutes, so that's where I am getting my speculation from.
AC Rogue Assassin Chevalier may have been a complete jerk but at least he fought and died for his cause while Duncan was in it for wealth. I will say his first appearance on the Templar ship as the storm is flashing is epic.
If there is one thing the colonial assassins managed to do correctly, it was their decent opposition to the templars as they were one of the best connected brotherhoods
Yup I agree. He needed to create some space to dry the powder in his second pistol. Clearly he had no confidence in an honest fight and believed his best chance was to get off a lucky shot
Maybe that's why his shot didn't kill edward. If he was trying replace the powder while running away from edward, than in his haste he probably didn't put a sufficient amount of powder in, which resulted in a weak shot that most likely just bruised edward.
3:00 Duncan and Shay aren’t the only two Assassin defectors. Haras from Revelations and Baptiste from Libration also fall under this category. However, other members like Haytham and Al Mualim haven’t officially turned sides, but show sides of both ideologies
I’m pretty sure Haytham fully defected however I get what you mean sharing if ideologies (dude’s highly intelligent). Unless I’m misremembering that he was even a full fledged assassin to begin with
@@Nutterbutter123He wasn't, he started to doubt his place in the Templars after finding out that his father was an Assassin who was killed by his father figure.
@@Nutterbutter123 Deepflare is right. Read the Forsaken Novel! He even says himself he’s someone with an Assassin upbringing with Templar beliefs, truly belonging to neither, but hoping to unify both
George from AC syndicate was also a bad master assassin or mentor. He ignored his fellow assassins in London which lead Henry to be the only one there and even after Henry requested for help he refused to do anything
He mentioned multiple times at the start of Syndicate that it wasn't up to him, there was a board that he would have to convene with to get it sanctioned and even if he did they likely wouldn't have sanctioned the mission
@@JayF2912 Ok, well it's still certainly better than just saying "No bro you can handle it", and like I said before, blame the board for sanctioning the mission as THEY were in control, not George
The fact that two young assassins managed to create a whole network of assassins in London by themselves while Henry and the board were doing nothing in the countryside says a lot about him
@@-rockmusiclover- If you think about any of the playable masters in Assassin's Creed (or NPCs like Adewale or even Al Mualim) they would never let a board prevent them from doing what's right
I remember when I first played AC IV, When Edward finally came face to face with Duncan after chasing him for a while, I was like “Damn we getting a Boss fight right at the start” and braced myself, and then Walpole died after just one Counter I was left stunned and laughing like crazy 😆
Same, I got so used to rpg games that when he died it was just utter culture shock. It was refreshing to play games like these, where humans are just as fragile as your charavter. Gosh i wish i could replicate that feeling again.
My head canon used to be that he was so good at stealth that he had little to no experience with sword fighting. A little contradictory because how could you not kill Edwards in the woods where there’s all those trees and bushes, but maybe he wasn’t thinking straight.
I also think Edward could just be extremely talented since he puts down train soldiers like fodder. Plus he was able to adapt to the assassin style pretty quickly.
He was more competent in the manga (yes it has a manga), he dies after reaching to beach and nearly killed Edward in his last breath. Edward actually terrified of him. Wish we got that version.
Well that is more like Shay situation even me as Romanian i will question the rest of the brotherhood they didn't do anything againts the turkish invasion
joined the navy at only 18 years old? if he was trying to be an officer that is very very old. most start before they're even in their teens as a midshipman
@@thesilentassassin1167 that kind of nepotism was more common in the British Army than the Navy. though who knows? the Walpole's were famous for being pretty shemmy
I would love Ubisoft to do something similar to Arno’s story, where an Assassin is questioning whether either side is truly right or wrong and maybe spinning off into another group completely different from the main two. It would kinda break continuity because they would never have been mentioned in the modern day, but for a one off game I think it would be cool
I agree with your assessment of this character, always thought it was so lame that he could get killed so easily by somebody who wasn’t a Trained assassin
@@lucasgrey9794 well Connor was heavily wounded when he DEFEATED Haytham, and also Ezio in Revelations defeated that captain in the intro so, but fair enought, we all know that he is an idiot
@@TheSerbianAssassin13 Haytham literally let Connor kill him because he couldn't bring himself to kill his own son. Even the writers said this. Is there even a braincell between the average 100 AC fans?
@@lucasgrey9794 ok we all know he let him win, but you got to agree it's still a little impresive I mean Duncan doesn't seem like he is that hurt, like he still is able to parkour, run and fight with Edward. I mean if he was a Master Assassin atleast he would put up a good fight, but I guess that just depends on the way you fight with him. Because if you choose to just counter kill him, it would seem like he didn't even try, but if you play a little diffrently it he might last longer. I feel like this is pointless, like the game is 10 years old, but you are still correct about why Connor was able to kill Haytham
@@TheSerbianAssassin13 Parkour is much easier than fighting. Did Edward put up a good fight against the random pirates that beat him down after Roberts betrayed him? No.
Seing how the animus recreate memories it would be hilarious after playing Edward eliminating Duncan like a low level guard to play as Ducan with the animus recreating him like a "Let me solo her" kind of oponent with overly stupi speed power and automatic counter to each attack with the olny objectif being "Survive" x'D
Walpole might be a trash assassin but there's no denying that his brief cutscene introduction in that thunderstorm ship battle and assassin drip (before edward modified it later on😢) was PEAK
I think you should do a video like this with Roshan from Mirage. I know she has a lot more screen time than Duncan but a lot of her backstory is left out of the games and it’s actually pretty interesting.
What the Assassin's Creed movie got wrong was that Duncan and Baptiste gotten descendants from modern-day that are loyal to the assassin doctrines. This makes no sense to me because their ancestors betrayed the creed for selfish reasons. Duncan betrayed the brotherhood for fortune and recognition. And Baptiste joined the Templars because his hatred for Jeanne Aveline's mother. Even he was angry at Agate his brother- in- arms for abandoning him to find her in Louisiana. This caused him to help the Templars reveal Agate's location and being their hidden spy.
The actions of your ancestors are not going to be the same actions you carry out. Duncan and Bapitiste may have betrayed the brotherhood but that's not a guarantee that their descendants would too.
@@Ash-Winchester It's just they witness their memories and have the bleeding affect with their ancestors trying to get into their mind. Most modern day people who were descendants of past assassin are civilians. It makes sense for Desmond to join the fight because he was born in the brotherhood and realized his parents were telling him the truth.
Ehhh the actions and reasons of your ancestors are not your own. Simple as that. Heck I think I remember there was a possible descendant of Shay that WANTS to work with the Brotherhood so there's that
After returning to england edward got a pardoned from robert walpole who also thanking edward for dealing with his cousin duncan walpole. Robert said that duncan brought dishonour to the family for betraying the assassin, even tho robert himself are neutral regarding the war between the assassin and templar
is it weird that i can kinda see a full on game happening that focuses on Duncan? i mean yeah he's a scumbag and a disgrace to the brotherhood - but it'd be interesting to see just how stupidely easy it took for him to not only defect to the templars, but to almost single handedly destroy the brotherhood as we know at the time
I’d argue Duncan gets unnecessary hate. Yes he gets absolutely bodied, but if you take Edward out of the equation you potentially have one of the most influential assassins in all of the series. Imagine if Duncan had successfully defected, and given the Templars both the observatory and the sage. Leading the templars to completely destroy the assassins in the West Indies, and potentially even farther afield. And the only reason that he doesn’t succeed in this is because he meets Edward fucking Kenway. Who is ACTUALLY one of the most influential assassins in all of history. Almost single-handedly wiping out the Templars in the West Indies and the Americas. You can almost argue that Kenway killing Duncan was the most historically significant assassination in the entire series. I don’t fault Micheal Jordan for getting swept by Larry Bird, and I don’t fault Duncan for falling to the man who would become one of the most powerful and influential assassins ever. It honestly has nothing to do with training. (It’s also kinda obvious to me that you’re going to body him when he’s the first enemy you fight in the whole game). He also only fights you because he’s cornered, and AFTER trying very hard to run away. (Compare him running to Charles Vaine later in the game and I think the difference between an assassin and a non-assassin is obvious) Duncan’s death has always more highlighted Edward’s prowess than Duncan’s “lack of” for me. Edit: If that’s not enough, consider the fact that if Duncan had killed Edward, then NONE of the Kenways would have been born. The second most influential family in the entire Assassin Templar conflict, gone. No Haytham, No Connor. Just imagine what that would have done to the world… And his [Duncan’s] second pistol likely only worked because he had given it time to dry out before shooting it. I think it speaks to his intelligence that after attempting to shoot Edward, after he realized he was a threat, and the pistol was non-functioning he tried to escape. I think that’s the smartest next move. And considering that they both barely survived that shipwreck, I think he was rather calm and decisive where most might not be. That also speaks to his assassin training.
I think Captain Chevalier de la Vérendrye from Rogue is up there as well. He got stomped by Shay, who’d only been in the assassins for a little while, if I remember right. Yet the Captain was a veteran of the seven years war and had decades more experience than Shay. He left his ship, (a man o war,) where it could be easily taken out and it couldn’t save itself, whereas a much smaller and barely outfitted ship did. Plus he was arrogant as all hell and remained as such to Shay, even after having his ass handed to him. And like the other assassins, refused to consider that their mentor’s repeatedly sending them off to retrieve the precursor artefacts was leading to potentially millions of innocents dying. Plus he shot Shay in the back like a coward, when none of the other blind to the truth assassins did so.
i like Walpole and wish we could have his robes (without mods) in game i do wonder how the story of ACBF would've shifted if Edward would've actually took the "offer" from Duncan. what nobody can deny is how sick Duncans entrance was in the opening tho
From the conversation between Edward and Rogers, it also seems Duncan was the type of man to flirt with not just a married woman, but also the wife of a man he intended to work with
on topic of the remake, i wonder if they're gonna do a flash back kind of thing where you play as duncan in the prologue and then the prologue we have right now is the first mission, its getting you attached to the character because you play as him before his untimely demise, it would also let ubisoft explore his backstory beyond what you described
In defense of Walpole, even though its entirely hypothetical, he could've been the type to stay stealthy rather than all out combat like how Basim is pushed to do in Mirage. Also, though maybe guns didn't work like this, he could've went to clean or dry the other gun he jad before using it.
@@sozo4483 It's just like how people say that it's bad writing the Edward Kenway can do Parkour and fight before becoming an Assassin, forgetting that Ezio, Arno and Connor could do Parkour before becoming Assassins. Edward Kenway was good at fighting because of the Privateering/Piracy work he was doing. It's like the average AC fan is brain damaged from eating crayons and glue all day.
Definitely agree with this. But also think Duncan Walpole is an honorable mention. The one and only time his character ever makes an appearance, he gets killed by a pirate who steals his identity. Not very assassin like
Black flag was my first game, i knew nothing about the lore beforehand - all i knew was Assassin’s were almost unkillable and deadly killers. I was so surprised when Edward, a lowly privateer killed him so easily.
Black flag is such a wild card in the series Now that Unity is partly fixed, probably the wildest Having a heartfelt storyline, nice look at the assasin/templar fight from a bystander perspective, with each side being somewhat sympathetic, great characters, one of the best ship mechanics (after some pirate game I forgot the name of) and bosses, boat hunting and actually good bell diving missions (I love them)... But also giving the ungodly terrible island collectibles, tailing missions (which, suprise, dont really affect me as much as these fucking small islands required to be searched individually), next to nothing in a dlc section, the worst master assasin and combat being less preferable, than qte to kill a man or make his future offsprings go through an earthquake for 3 seconds before killing a man
I never gave Duncan Walpole much thought/consideration until this video. I just seen him as a plot device to move the game forward. Maybe it would have been a better idea if he was written in a way where he wasn't a master assassin, and this was some kind of proving mission for him to be promoted or ranked up or something if he could complete this assignment.
7:26 I always thought this guy is descendant of some French assassin (first time I thought about Arno Dorian, but actually Lynch is Arno's descendant) because he has a phantom blade during the fight with Abstergo.
Love your video and keep up the great work. You are awesome, and I think it is cool if we can play as both and we need to choose which side we want to be
After finishing the game I got an idea that I wished happened in the game. First, when both him and Edward manage to get to the shore, show him extracting a large piece of wood that was piercing his stomach. This would be the reason for him being easily defeated, because he was too wounded to fight. When the governor assists to when they are declaring the sentence of Edward, Duncan would appear, citing that he could not be easily killed by a mere pirate, that he lied unconscious for a couple hors, then he woke up, stole a fisherman ship and got to the governor where he explained all that happened, being that the reason they discovered Edward wasn't Duncan. After Edward escapes and goes after the governor and the other templars, we would fight Duncan, having a way more difficult and epic fight now that he is in perfect conditions, that ultimately Edward would win once again, and we would get the classic talk on the white space where Duncan gives all his reasons for betraying the brotherhood, and Edward reflects that this could have been his own path if he didn't got forced to grow and change as a person.
Honestly Duncan Walpole is just another reason, why the Assassins can be just as equally incompetent as some of the Templars. It's honestly a good thing, showing neither side is perfect, even if the Assassins are supposedly the "Good Guys".
@@Kenzar23 Edward was *not* injured and the shot did *not* happen because the synchronisation bar (health bar) decreased when Walpole shot him which means the shot did not happen to the real Edward.
I remember I was playing the AC most praised games for the first time, and Black Flag was essentially my 4th after Ezio trilogy, and after 3 games of being the scary, intimidating ghost tale, you kind of forget how scary assassins are supposed to be to others? At least I forgot. And then opening to Black Flag. There is this assassin staring at me, with his hood on, unbothered by the storm. And I'm thinking, "I have plot armor, no way will I die in first mission, BUT WHY ARE THEY SICKING AN ASSASSIN ON ME???", all for the guy to die in 10mins. Like yeah, it's the beginning, but that's just embarassing my guy.
I think what the creators were going for with Edward so easily killing Walpole is the insane amount of talent Edward has gives him an edge in every fight. It is mentioned throughout the whole game how talented Edward is, not only his physical skills, but also his 6th sense (the ISU sense/Eagle Vision) is insanely strong since he ''had it since he was a lad''. Additionally Edwardd seems to be really intelligent. Furthermore, the whole Kenway lineage seems to be insanely talented. Edward, Haytham and Connor all seem to have insane talent in combat and other physical traits, problem solving and ambition.
I didn't even know there was this much lore about Duncan Walpole of all people. I have even read all of the AC games novelizations. In which novel is he featured in though?
Official Movie Novelization. There are four extra chapters exploring memories of the ancestors of the main Assassin group who assisted Cal in escaping Abstergo. Those were Duncan Walpole, Shao Jun, Baptiste and Yusuf Tazim.
I feel like at that point of the time Brotherhood is like Jedi Order, you get promoted regardless of your abilities as long as you are believing in the tenets of the creed faithfully.
I think that this kind of characters are also needed in the franchise. They show that not every member of the Brotherhood has to be crystal clear goody two shoes but can be selfish and arrogant. That they are just normal people with some flaws.
Nothing says *Fame and fortune* like joining a secret organization where you must keep your identity hidden fight for the freedom of common people without a reward, absolute genius that guy
Duncan sounds like Altair at the beginning of AC1, I wonder if Altair could have been manipulated to join the Templars had things played out differently 🤔
To be fair, the Colonial assassins probably struggled to get anyone of use, so for whomever they could, trained whomever could handle it, and ranked whomever was at least somewhat competent. The rank of “master” for that brotherhood is probably akin to being a top ranked cop vs a top ranked marine.
I need to say this because a lot of people forget this… from Edward killing Duncan, to the end of the game was 6-7 years. The first time you make it to Nassau, Ed Thatch (Blackbeard) already knows of you (from your past privateering days) and respects you as a combatant. There was no training time other then experience in those seven years. All the stat upgrades from gear and whatnot were gameplay features. Edward killing Duncan says more about Edward’s skill at combat than Duncan’s supposed lack of skill. It was mainly poor writing and decision-making. Honestly in the remake, they should have had them fight on the beach and then left Edward to explore… give him the good old “Make your way off the island” objective. It wouldn't change the story and it would be better for the lore.
I like how this guy is a veteran and master assassin, but meets his end because of one greedy git with a chip on his shoulder waylaying his ship during a storm and killing him in single combat the day after.
Duncan Walpole has to be one of the most forgettable master assassins I didn't even know he was a master assassin
A small DLC mission where you get to see Duncan and his early life might be an interesting idea but how would you market it? Hey assassin's creed fans, have you ever wanted to play as a complete dumb ass? Come and check out the early life of a man with a little to no principals who eventually got his ass killed by a half drowned pirate!
@@scruffylookingNerfherder5742They will add a plot twist that he was actually doing something super duper important that only he (and the player) knew would save the world, but he was tragically killed by a heartless pirate while in the middle of his mission.
@@IsaacSperrow oh my God, they killed Duncan! You bastards!
@@scruffylookingNerfherder5742 His death convolutedly butterfly effect to Desmond's death, and its all because of that good teeth hygiene bastard pirate. Thankfully karma got him back when his son Hytham chose the correct side, but was also tragically killed before his mission was completed.
Honestly same, I was planning to search him on the wiki to see what he looked like, because I didn’t know how he looked like until now, but he was so forgettable that I forgot to search him up 😂😂😂😂
Being a master assassin, fleeing like a coward, missing an open shot, failing to escape a pirate and being counter killed in a 1 on 1 has to be the most embarrassing death ever.
Or, being air assassinated by a pirate who is somehow better trained than him
He was heavily wounded. It similar to how Edward could've been easily killed after he was badly wounded after he was betrayed by Bartholomew Roberts.
In my mind, completely head canon, I like to believe it was symbolic thing. Like how the British lost to untrained farmers. The Americas/West Indies of old just hardened people and I think it at least could help explain why he was so easily outmatched. Alas, it’s embarrassing nonetheless. 😂😅
@@peeko_luxx2873 Nope. Walpole was outmatched for the same reason Edward Kenway was outmatched by random pirates after Roberts betrayed him. Walpole was heavily wounded and would've annihilated Edward if he wasn't. Even the devs said that Edward was only able to beat Duncan Walpole because he was wounded.
@@lucasgrey9794 That’s cute. It’s a game buddy. Insufferable fan base 💀😂
How the hell did he reach the rank of Master while still being philosophically and morally weak enough to defect to the Templars so easily?
Because humans are stupid.
Originally, he did have faith in the brotherhood. But every man has his price, like he told to Edward. His moral grounds were just weak and that’s how he was persuaded so easily.
After playing brotherhood and revelations, anyone can reach the rank of master.😂
Because Ubisoft needed a reason to kill him off that’s why.
@@zbeatza9910but not everyone can be a mentor/Al Mualim 😎
Duncan reminds me of Altair with how both rose to the rank of Master but were arrogant. Thing is Altair learned from his mistakes and contributed much to the brotherhood and was remembered well by them while Duncan cared only about himself and died with no one caring about him.
Facts bro when you become a selfish person nobody want to trust you💯
Another difference was that Altair was a genius and Duncan was a punk beech in the making
Only difference is, altiar was good at being an assassin
altair wouldve never lost to edward on the beach tho lmao
He’s the worst master assassin in the series because he betrayed the assassins for money
And so easily too so his moral code and faith in the brotherhood was weak
And was supposedly so well trained to the point he could even be considered a Master Assassin, got killed by a lowly pirate who had no combat training whatsoever
@@jacobchildress7921 how humiliating
He's the Thomas Hickey of the Assassins, both are great contenders for the worst high ranked member of each of their organisations.
@@BuryTheLight-tds they belong together
Imagine walpole against connor
Connor would breathe and that man will be demolished from all existance
u expect too much from duncan man lower ur expectations
imagine him vs Ezio or Altair
@@madmannn9576 I can imagine he will die easier then a normal npc
and Shay would annihilate both of them from existence with a hand behind his back. Ezio would kick Shay's ass, though, without any effort.
@@WeldedhodagConnor beats Shay any day of the week, shut up
Duncan is a mirror of Edward. Had Edward not had a change of heart, he would’ve been exactly like Duncan. In fact, Edward’s original personality was gonna be like Duncan’s. Quiet, mysterious, even more ruthless, sociopathic.
I mean hes a pirate. We all know how pirates are
The difference is that Edward was an actual baddass even as a pirate
Not me killing him in 3 second by using the counter kill button
Lol
Edward's just built like that fr.
@@Vase94 No. Duncan was heavily wounded. That's why Edward beat him.
@Vase94 No. Duncan was heavily wounded. That's why Edward beat him.
@@lucasgrey9794 you can argue that, but you can also argue he shouldn't have ran in the first place and fought edward right there and then. he wasted his energy running away when he's already injured, then ultimately dying. Not very "Master Assassin" of him.
5:45 I AM NOT DEFENDING DUNCAN! I am only trying to educate you on the subject of flintlocks. The other flintlock on Duncan wouldn't had worked either as the problem was that the gunpowder in both of them was wet, and therefor couldn't ignite properly (the first flintlock wasn't broken at all). He was later able to shoot him because the gunpowder would've been able to dry itself just enough to catch a spark and ignite, and Duncan tried his luck. Also, because you said that Duncan missed, I remind you that flintlocks, because of their tehnology, or rather the lack of it (messy "cartridges" and smooth bore barrels) are VERY inaccurate (in the game, we're so good at shooting with them just because game mechanics and all that to make it more enjoyable and epic). Hope I helped you a bit! Love ur vids, keep making them just the same!
Wait it dried that quickly?
@@ArslanMagomedov286 it's game time. One second for us it's probably one minute for them. Most games have a day-night cycle of 24 minutes, so that's where I am getting my speculation from.
@@nexodavix465very interesting! Even if Ubisoft didnt think that far, I will believe that your explanation is canon bcs its awesome!
AC Rogue Assassin Chevalier may have been a complete jerk but at least he fought and died for his cause while Duncan was in it for wealth. I will say his first appearance on the Templar ship as the storm is flashing is epic.
If there is one thing the colonial assassins managed to do correctly, it was their decent opposition to the templars as they were one of the best connected brotherhoods
I think that he reloaded the powder of the second pistol, as it would've been wet from swimming. At least that's what I've always thought
Yup I agree. He needed to create some space to dry the powder in his second pistol. Clearly he had no confidence in an honest fight and believed his best chance was to get off a lucky shot
Maybe that's why his shot didn't kill edward. If he was trying replace the powder while running away from edward, than in his haste he probably didn't put a sufficient amount of powder in, which resulted in a weak shot that most likely just bruised edward.
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Duncan and Shay aren’t the only two Assassin defectors. Haras from Revelations and Baptiste from Libration also fall under this category. However, other members like Haytham and Al Mualim haven’t officially turned sides, but show sides of both ideologies
There was also Vali cel Tradat in AC revelations.
I’m pretty sure Haytham fully defected however I get what you mean sharing if ideologies (dude’s highly intelligent). Unless I’m misremembering that he was even a full fledged assassin to begin with
@@Nutterbutter123He wasn't, he started to doubt his place in the Templars after finding out that his father was an Assassin who was killed by his father figure.
There's also Nikolai Orelov from Chronicles.
@@Nutterbutter123 Deepflare is right. Read the Forsaken Novel! He even says himself he’s someone with an Assassin upbringing with Templar beliefs, truly belonging to neither, but hoping to unify both
George from AC syndicate was also a bad master assassin or mentor. He ignored his fellow assassins in London which lead Henry to be the only one there and even after Henry requested for help he refused to do anything
He mentioned multiple times at the start of Syndicate that it wasn't up to him, there was a board that he would have to convene with to get it sanctioned and even if he did they likely wouldn't have sanctioned the mission
@@-rockmusiclover-That doesn't make it better. Assassin's don't just leave each other to die or fight alone. "Never Compromise The Brotherhood"
@@JayF2912 Ok, well it's still certainly better than just saying "No bro you can handle it", and like I said before, blame the board for sanctioning the mission as THEY were in control, not George
The fact that two young assassins managed to create a whole network of assassins in London by themselves while Henry and the board were doing nothing in the countryside says a lot about him
@@-rockmusiclover- If you think about any of the playable masters in Assassin's Creed (or NPCs like Adewale or even Al Mualim) they would never let a board prevent them from doing what's right
I remember when I first played AC IV, When Edward finally came face to face with Duncan after chasing him for a while, I was like “Damn we getting a Boss fight right at the start” and braced myself, and then Walpole died after just one Counter I was left stunned and laughing like crazy 😆
Same, I got so used to rpg games that when he died it was just utter culture shock. It was refreshing to play games like these, where humans are just as fragile as your charavter. Gosh i wish i could replicate that feeling again.
My head canon used to be that he was so good at stealth that he had little to no experience with sword fighting. A little contradictory because how could you not kill Edwards in the woods where there’s all those trees and bushes, but maybe he wasn’t thinking straight.
I also think Edward could just be extremely talented since he puts down train soldiers like fodder. Plus he was able to adapt to the assassin style pretty quickly.
I never even knew he had a character. He was literally created just to die and give Edward an excuse to wear the hood.
Master assassin is our true hero, a guy who loves assassin’s creed who actually knows what he’s talking about
A video on Makandal would be pretty good
Do more of these
Esspcially for the modern day there is so much lore there and your storytelling in very fun and compelling
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His life is in DeepDanger💥🔫When we catch him
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@@ivorilygaming9870who is brotha?
@@EpochalFrageI think he was replying to the first dude's comment
@@BuryTheLight-tds then his sentence wouldn’t make sense
He was more competent in the manga (yes it has a manga), he dies after reaching to beach and nearly killed Edward in his last breath. Edward actually terrified of him. Wish we got that version.
Don't forget Vali from Revelations was once an Assassin who Defected and joined the Templars
Well that is more like Shay situation even me as Romanian i will question the rest of the brotherhood they didn't do anything againts the turkish invasion
Vali had a true reason for that
yall are right
@@matteoguala7267also he killed many Assassins before Ezio came
joined the navy at only 18 years old? if he was trying to be an officer that is very very old. most start before they're even in their teens as a midshipman
He was from a prestigious family tho, probably expected to get promotions sooner than others
@@thesilentassassin1167 that kind of nepotism was more common in the British Army than the Navy. though who knows? the Walpole's were famous for being pretty shemmy
What about a video where you rank all master assassins? (including yourself in s+ tier of course) Anyways, great video like always!
I would love Ubisoft to do something similar to Arno’s story, where an Assassin is questioning whether either side is truly right or wrong and maybe spinning off into another group completely different from the main two.
It would kinda break continuity because they would never have been mentioned in the modern day, but for a one off game I think it would be cool
ac rogue? underrated but very great
Playing The Parting Glass at the end with that scene made me so happy 😂
I agree with your assessment of this character, always thought it was so lame that he could get killed so easily by somebody who wasn’t a Trained assassin
Love the videos bro, really interesting to learn more about insignificant characters that the typical player wouldn't bat another eye to
Oh my goodness, please do Shun Jao, the inventor of the rope dart, the hidden foot blade, and sword assassinations, and who Naoe borrows many details
Duncan Walpole kind of reminded ME of Mizuki from the Naruto series. A little Weasel Shinobi who wanted to sell his own for selfish reasons. 😜
I remember defeating him for the first time, when I was 7 and it was incredibly easy
Also you should make more of these
He was easily defeated because he was HEAVILY wounded. Why does everyone forget this?
@@lucasgrey9794 well Connor was heavily wounded when he DEFEATED Haytham, and also Ezio in Revelations defeated that captain in the intro so, but fair enought, we all know that he is an idiot
@@TheSerbianAssassin13 Haytham literally let Connor kill him because he couldn't bring himself to kill his own son. Even the writers said this. Is there even a braincell between the average 100 AC fans?
@@lucasgrey9794 ok we all know he let him win, but you got to agree it's still a little impresive I mean Duncan doesn't seem like he is that hurt, like he still is able to parkour, run and fight with Edward. I mean if he was a Master Assassin atleast he would put up a good fight, but I guess that just depends on the way you fight with him. Because if you choose to just counter kill him, it would seem like he didn't even try, but if you play a little diffrently it he might last longer. I feel like this is pointless, like the game is 10 years old, but you are still correct about why Connor was able to kill Haytham
@@TheSerbianAssassin13 Parkour is much easier than fighting. Did Edward put up a good fight against the random pirates that beat him down after Roberts betrayed him? No.
Seing how the animus recreate memories it would be hilarious after playing Edward eliminating Duncan like a low level guard to play as Ducan with the animus recreating him like a "Let me solo her" kind of oponent with overly stupi speed power and automatic counter to each attack with the olny objectif being "Survive" x'D
Walpole might be a trash assassin but there's no denying that his brief cutscene introduction in that thunderstorm ship battle and assassin drip (before edward modified it later on😢) was PEAK
I like the Assassin’s Creed: Rogue that we got, but I think people were expecting a story closer to Duncan’s for that kind of game.
I think you should do a video like this with Roshan from Mirage. I know she has a lot more screen time than Duncan but a lot of her backstory is left out of the games and it’s actually pretty interesting.
What the Assassin's Creed movie got wrong was that Duncan and Baptiste gotten descendants from modern-day that are loyal to the assassin doctrines. This makes no sense to me because their ancestors betrayed the creed for selfish reasons. Duncan betrayed the brotherhood for fortune and recognition. And Baptiste joined the Templars because his hatred for Jeanne Aveline's mother. Even he was angry at Agate his brother- in- arms for abandoning him to find her in Louisiana. This caused him to help the Templars reveal Agate's location and being their hidden spy.
The actions of your ancestors are not going to be the same actions you carry out. Duncan and Bapitiste may have betrayed the brotherhood but that's not a guarantee that their descendants would too.
@@Ash-Winchester It's just they witness their memories and have the bleeding affect with their ancestors trying to get into their mind. Most modern day people who were descendants of past assassin are civilians. It makes sense for Desmond to join the fight because he was born in the brotherhood and realized his parents were telling him the truth.
Ehhh the actions and reasons of your ancestors are not your own. Simple as that. Heck I think I remember there was a possible descendant of Shay that WANTS to work with the Brotherhood so there's that
After returning to england edward got a pardoned from robert walpole who also thanking edward for dealing with his cousin duncan walpole. Robert said that duncan brought dishonour to the family for betraying the assassin, even tho robert himself are neutral regarding the war between the assassin and templar
This is not the direction that I thought the video was going. I am all for this.
is it weird that i can kinda see a full on game happening that focuses on Duncan?
i mean yeah he's a scumbag and a disgrace to the brotherhood - but it'd be interesting to see just how stupidely easy it took for him to not only defect to the templars, but to almost single handedly destroy the brotherhood as we know at the time
another vid. another masterpiece.
Can you do video about Yusuf tazim or about Abaz .
Please make a video about each assassin's Character. And their Descendants.
2:59 forgot about Vali Cel Tradat from Revelations
I can’t wait for AC shadows and the AC remakes
me too
Same they’re gonna be awesome
Same here, incredibly hyped already!
Agreed, hope those grifters won't pop up again..
@@BuryTheLight-tdsgamergate pisses me off. Just a bunch of joyless assholes and miserable incels crying.
Duncan is what a master assassin would be without plot armor. He’s great.
I’d argue Duncan gets unnecessary hate. Yes he gets absolutely bodied, but if you take Edward out of the equation you potentially have one of the most influential assassins in all of the series. Imagine if Duncan had successfully defected, and given the Templars both the observatory and the sage. Leading the templars to completely destroy the assassins in the West Indies, and potentially even farther afield. And the only reason that he doesn’t succeed in this is because he meets Edward fucking Kenway. Who is ACTUALLY one of the most influential assassins in all of history. Almost single-handedly wiping out the Templars in the West Indies and the Americas. You can almost argue that Kenway killing Duncan was the most historically significant assassination in the entire series. I don’t fault Micheal Jordan for getting swept by Larry Bird, and I don’t fault Duncan for falling to the man who would become one of the most powerful and influential assassins ever. It honestly has nothing to do with training. (It’s also kinda obvious to me that you’re going to body him when he’s the first enemy you fight in the whole game). He also only fights you because he’s cornered, and AFTER trying very hard to run away. (Compare him running to Charles Vaine later in the game and I think the difference between an assassin and a non-assassin is obvious) Duncan’s death has always more highlighted Edward’s prowess than Duncan’s “lack of” for me.
Edit: If that’s not enough, consider the fact that if Duncan had killed Edward, then NONE of the Kenways would have been born. The second most influential family in the entire Assassin Templar conflict, gone. No Haytham, No Connor. Just imagine what that would have done to the world… And his [Duncan’s] second pistol likely only worked because he had given it time to dry out before shooting it. I think it speaks to his intelligence that after attempting to shoot Edward, after he realized he was a threat, and the pistol was non-functioning he tried to escape. I think that’s the smartest next move. And considering that they both barely survived that shipwreck, I think he was rather calm and decisive where most might not be. That also speaks to his assassin training.
I think Captain Chevalier de la Vérendrye from Rogue is up there as well. He got stomped by Shay, who’d only been in the assassins for a little while, if I remember right. Yet the Captain was a veteran of the seven years war and had decades more experience than Shay. He left his ship, (a man o war,) where it could be easily taken out and it couldn’t save itself, whereas a much smaller and barely outfitted ship did. Plus he was arrogant as all hell and remained as such to Shay, even after having his ass handed to him. And like the other assassins, refused to consider that their mentor’s repeatedly sending them off to retrieve the precursor artefacts was leading to potentially millions of innocents dying. Plus he shot Shay in the back like a coward, when none of the other blind to the truth assassins did so.
The other pistol got wet as well he probably dried the powder after leaving Edward, but he’s still an idiot for missing an open shot.
i like Walpole and wish we could have his robes (without mods) in game
i do wonder how the story of ACBF would've shifted if Edward would've actually took the "offer" from Duncan.
what nobody can deny is how sick Duncans entrance was in the opening tho
From the conversation between Edward and Rogers, it also seems Duncan was the type of man to flirt with not just a married woman, but also the wife of a man he intended to work with
on topic of the remake, i wonder if they're gonna do a flash back kind of thing where you play as duncan in the prologue and then the prologue we have right now is the first mission, its getting you attached to the character because you play as him before his untimely demise, it would also let ubisoft explore his backstory beyond what you described
You should talk about this Ezio guy, I don't think many of us know him well enough
In defense of Walpole, even though its entirely hypothetical, he could've been the type to stay stealthy rather than all out combat like how Basim is pushed to do in Mirage. Also, though maybe guns didn't work like this, he could've went to clean or dry the other gun he jad before using it.
Why does everyone forget that Edward only defeated Duncan because Duncan was very heavily wounded? Are people just dumb?
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@@lucasgrey9794yeah like People forget that he was heavily wounded and his equipment was broken.
@@sozo4483 It's just like how people say that it's bad writing the Edward Kenway can do Parkour and fight before becoming an Assassin, forgetting that Ezio, Arno and Connor could do Parkour before becoming Assassins. Edward Kenway was good at fighting because of the Privateering/Piracy work he was doing.
It's like the average AC fan is brain damaged from eating crayons and glue all day.
@@lucasgrey9794 Yeah, they just blinded by their favourite Assassin and then stop to open their mind for other assassin which have their own lore.
I headcanoned Walpole as not actually a master, he just claimed to be one to the templars.
Definitely agree with this. But also think Duncan Walpole is an honorable mention. The one and only time his character ever makes an appearance, he gets killed by a pirate who steals his identity. Not very assassin like
Black flag was my first game, i knew nothing about the lore beforehand - all i knew was Assassin’s were almost unkillable and deadly killers. I was so surprised when Edward, a lowly privateer killed him so easily.
Black flag is such a wild card in the series
Now that Unity is partly fixed, probably the wildest
Having a heartfelt storyline, nice look at the assasin/templar fight from a bystander perspective, with each side being somewhat sympathetic, great characters, one of the best ship mechanics (after some pirate game I forgot the name of) and bosses, boat hunting and actually good bell diving missions (I love them)... But also giving the ungodly terrible island collectibles, tailing missions (which, suprise, dont really affect me as much as these fucking small islands required to be searched individually), next to nothing in a dlc section, the worst master assasin and combat being less preferable, than qte to kill a man or make his future offsprings go through an earthquake for 3 seconds before killing a man
I never gave Duncan Walpole much thought/consideration until this video. I just seen him as a plot device to move the game forward. Maybe it would have been a better idea if he was written in a way where he wasn't a master assassin, and this was some kind of proving mission for him to be promoted or ranked up or something if he could complete this assignment.
i thought bro was about to say Edward i was about to have a heart attack
7:26 I always thought this guy is descendant of some French assassin (first time I thought about Arno Dorian, but actually Lynch is Arno's descendant) because he has a phantom blade during the fight with Abstergo.
Love your video and keep up the great work. You are awesome, and I think it is cool if we can play as both and we need to choose which side we want to be
The "Bloody F*#%ING PIRATES" ending had me weak LMAO!
I like these videos on obscure Assassins. Maybe you can do some for the Templars at some point
After finishing the game I got an idea that I wished happened in the game. First, when both him and Edward manage to get to the shore, show him extracting a large piece of wood that was piercing his stomach. This would be the reason for him being easily defeated, because he was too wounded to fight. When the governor assists to when they are declaring the sentence of Edward, Duncan would appear, citing that he could not be easily killed by a mere pirate, that he lied unconscious for a couple hors, then he woke up, stole a fisherman ship and got to the governor where he explained all that happened, being that the reason they discovered Edward wasn't Duncan. After Edward escapes and goes after the governor and the other templars, we would fight Duncan, having a way more difficult and epic fight now that he is in perfect conditions, that ultimately Edward would win once again, and we would get the classic talk on the white space where Duncan gives all his reasons for betraying the brotherhood, and Edward reflects that this could have been his own path if he didn't got forced to grow and change as a person.
That Walpole dlc with Edward as final boss, would be pretty lit
Honestly Duncan Walpole is just another reason, why the Assassins can be just as equally incompetent as some of the Templars. It's honestly a good thing, showing neither side is perfect, even if the Assassins are supposedly the "Good Guys".
Why does everyone forget that Edward only defeated Duncan because Duncan was very heavily wounded? Are people just dumb?
@@lucasgrey9794 Maybe, but to be fair in this case, who could blame them? Duncan was just a minor character anyway.
@@lucasgrey9794 okay Edward was injured as well and plus he was shot
@@Kenzar23 Edward was *not* injured and the shot did *not* happen because the synchronisation bar (health bar) decreased when Walpole shot him which means the shot did not happen to the real Edward.
I remember I was playing the AC most praised games for the first time, and Black Flag was essentially my 4th after Ezio trilogy, and after 3 games of being the scary, intimidating ghost tale, you kind of forget how scary assassins are supposed to be to others? At least I forgot.
And then opening to Black Flag. There is this assassin staring at me, with his hood on, unbothered by the storm. And I'm thinking, "I have plot armor, no way will I die in first mission, BUT WHY ARE THEY SICKING AN ASSASSIN ON ME???", all for the guy to die in 10mins. Like yeah, it's the beginning, but that's just embarassing my guy.
I think what the creators were going for with Edward so easily killing Walpole is the insane amount of talent Edward has gives him an edge in every fight. It is mentioned throughout the whole game how talented Edward is, not only his physical skills, but also his 6th sense (the ISU sense/Eagle Vision) is insanely strong since he ''had it since he was a lad''. Additionally Edwardd seems to be really intelligent.
Furthermore, the whole Kenway lineage seems to be insanely talented. Edward, Haytham and Connor all seem to have insane talent in combat and other physical traits, problem solving and ambition.
I didn't even know there was this much lore about Duncan Walpole of all people. I have even read all of the AC games novelizations. In which novel is he featured in though?
Official Movie Novelization. There are four extra chapters exploring memories of the ancestors of the main Assassin group who assisted Cal in escaping Abstergo. Those were Duncan Walpole, Shao Jun, Baptiste and Yusuf Tazim.
@@mrkyurem5499 Ohh I see. Thank you very much, I haven't read that one yet. I guess I'll check it ou
I feel like at that point of the time Brotherhood is like Jedi Order, you get promoted regardless of your abilities as long as you are believing in the tenets of the creed faithfully.
I think that this kind of characters are also needed in the franchise. They show that not every member of the Brotherhood has to be crystal clear goody two shoes but can be selfish and arrogant. That they are just normal people with some flaws.
There was that Assassin from, Revelations, that also turned Templar as well.
Nothing says *Fame and fortune* like joining a secret organization where you must keep your identity hidden fight for the freedom of common people without a reward, absolute genius that guy
Even edward was assassinated by a templar, assassin was assassinated, the irony.
Hey master
Have you read the Engine of History books?
They pretty interesting would love to hear your opinions on them
Duncan sounds like Altair at the beginning of AC1, I wonder if Altair could have been manipulated to join the Templars had things played out differently 🤔
Altair was born within the Creed, though. Even if his selfishness and ego rose up, there’s little chance he would join with the Templars outright.
@alexanderchristopher6237 Nah, Maria would have seduced him 😜
That ending had me rolling
Duncan and Shay weren't the only Assassin's to join the Templars Aveline from Liberation also joined them.
Thought this was gonna be Arno slander I’m very happy it’s Duncan Walpole slander instead he sucks.
Another day of requesting @MasterAssassin to upload a video of any titles of Ezio's Trilogy.
To be fair, the Colonial assassins probably struggled to get anyone of use, so for whomever they could, trained whomever could handle it, and ranked whomever was at least somewhat competent. The rank of “master” for that brotherhood is probably akin to being a top ranked cop vs a top ranked marine.
That Duncan Walpole game idea is fucking hilarious 😂. The ending would literally just glaze Edward with him being the final boss lmao
I need to say this because a lot of people forget this… from Edward killing Duncan, to the end of the game was 6-7 years. The first time you make it to Nassau, Ed Thatch (Blackbeard) already knows of you (from your past privateering days) and respects you as a combatant. There was no training time other then experience in those seven years. All the stat upgrades from gear and whatnot were gameplay features. Edward killing Duncan says more about Edward’s skill at combat than Duncan’s supposed lack of skill. It was mainly poor writing and decision-making. Honestly in the remake, they should have had them fight on the beach and then left Edward to explore… give him the good old “Make your way off the island” objective. It wouldn't change the story and it would be better for the lore.
"He missed the killshot" no no, the plot demands Warpole "misses" and has to die so Edward can take his place.
Duncan Walpole: *Shows up like a badass in the intro scene. Proceeds to immediately get clapped by a pirate.
I forgot that in my very first playthrough a decade ago, I managed to accidentally counter kill him and didn’t even know it
LOL, when i replayed the first mission again, i literally counter kill him in the first try, no challenge at all was put into his "boss fight"
He was definitely a careerist opportunist, I think he got that ran through technicalities and taking credit for other peoples work.
"You are without a doubt the worst Master Assassin i've ever heard of"
"But you _have_ heard of me."
The fact that he betrayed the assassins for money is just tragic
3:00 There were two more. Haras and Vali cel Tradat. Both from AC Revelations.
i thought you were gonna mention edward and i was confused as hell
I don't think I want another AC movie but if they made a Black Flag movie I'd hope they'd cast Charlie Hunnam as Edward.
I wonder if AC Shadow's will give us another Assassin to Templar betrayal. Or even Templar to Assassin betrayal (Yasuke would be my guess for that).
6:08 He was considered the first “prime minister”, but the term prime minister didn’t really exist back then
Duncan Walpole reaching Master Assassin is like a kid getting a black belt in 2 months from a McDojo.
Imagine having a DLC living as Duncan BUT managed to kill Edward and proceed on betraying the Assassins and helped the Templars just like on Rogue
5:46 “He somehow misses his shot.”
*Edward takes damage from the shot*
Now you just HAVE TO make a video about Charles Lee
I like how this guy is a veteran and master assassin, but meets his end because of one greedy git with a chip on his shoulder waylaying his ship during a storm and killing him in single combat the day after.
Duncan: i become templar cuz of fame
Slay: i become templar because i want to save innocent lives