But on the song he's trying to please everyone though, that's the irony 😂😂....first he made Kendrick a villain when he dissed him on 7 minute drill. Then crowned Kendrick during his apology in the process leaving Drake out in the cold. Now when the battle is over he comes back and crowns Drake and suddenly makes us the audience the villains. He got no backbone bra. He just had to keep this verse out the song and apologise to Drake in private
@@interests357yeah completely agree. I don’t understand why so many of the fans are so blind to see what he did was very wrong on so many levels. He has flip flopped like crazy throughout all of this. Prior to the beef I had so much respect for him as an elite MC and a man but that’s all gone now. Spineless behaviour. I genuinely think only the hardcore fans understood the magnitude of what he did because they’ve been rocking with him for years. Most of the people championing his apology are casual or recents fans and didn’t have any expectations or standard for him. Kendrick accused Drake of so many things and picked apart his character and flaws, but I have more respect for Drake cause he stood on his words like a real man. Nobody forced cole to jump in the beef. He’s a grown man and sat on the response to the like that verse for weeks. So it was a conscious decision to release 7 min drill. He was also the one that constantly talked about the big three where clearly the other two didn’t feel the same about it.
@@MU5T1991calm down bro lol. It’s not that serious. “Very wrong” 😂 the celebrity worship is insane. He don’t owe anyone SHIT. Yal home watching yal insignificant . I hope yal are teenagers man 🤦🏿♂️
Soft? What is considered to be a hard man in your eyes joe? Turning your back on the one who fed you like Eminem? Does that qualify to be considered hard in the rap game? J Cole has been the same throughout the entirety of his career. He built his label and feeds his people he doesn't take bait or start drama he just inspires with divine purpose. Tired of ignorance being glorified in today's world. J Cole is the greatest rapper to do it. Story telling A+ Rhyme A+ Beats A+ Flow A+ Vocabulary use and enteredes A+ Ignorance and blind eyes can't see the truth.
I think this who J Cole thing is exposing the mindset of black men. J Cole is refusing to cross a line and instead of respecting it they rather criticize him for not folding to the cycle. Hip hop does so much harm to black folk I swear.
And you know good-n-well that all these jokers would be quick with the "We need to do better" thoughts and prayers if this "beef" that they're so hungry for ends up going too far and people start getting shot. Clown show.
@@Supre3m3Kai you know what the problem is with that logic, it’s short sighted, I’m talking about a repeating cycle. No one is getting shot over this one but, people have and can get shot if the cycle continues. Bigger picture!
Cole came back from the worst year of his career by just rapping. No interviews, ig pr stunts, statements or podcasts he just rapped and if you appreciate bars his last few features and releases have to get you excited for The Fall Off.
The original song that is sampled is Lonnie Liston Smith’s ‘A Garden of Peace’. But yes, it has been relentlessly sampled. Rick Ross alone has used it like 3 times lol
@AngeBiampandou if I keep it a buck I didn't even know it was dead president until I watch Joe break it down. But I'm old enough to remember when dead president was release and the sample track from way back.
@@AngeBiampandou not everybody is a 40+ year old New Yorker who looks at Jay Z as god. I ain’t even know what Dead Presidents he was talkin about I thought they was talkin bout the movie lol
Love the song, the sample and the hook/melodic elements of the rapping, however it’s an effort to seem “neutral” after collab’ing with Kendrick affliates, the 7MD apology and his feature run with artists in an active Drake feud. But the second verse comes out more as Cole defending and pitying an alleged pdf file, culture vulture and according to the Metro, The Weeknd and Future, a backstabber. Confusing tbh.
I agree with all of joes sentiments but in defense of Cole I don’t think he’s tryna defend drake, I just think he is spineless and doesn’t have any morals he stands for. He thinks he can be on everyone’s side but when taking the road of trying to please everyone you end up pleasing no one. He needs to be either stay out of it or pick a side and stand on it. I don’t trust mediators cause most of them believe their moral standing is higher than others. Type of nigga to tell niggas in the hood to squash the beef and find peace with the dudes who killed their brother last year. Self righteous ass niggas think they know the answer to everything
@@Matthew-xl5bc Agreed, the first verse is very excellent. The second verse while still good in the technical sense. The content of it leaves a lot to be desired.
I agree. Might Delete Later is probably the most slept on album that dropped this year simply because of the beef and him dropping “7 Minute Drill” and then deleting it and apologizing all kinda made this album go unnoticed. I personally think that this is one of his best work to date.
Yea parks be makin not a bit of sense sometimes. Jus cuz ppl fall in love wit a song & remix/sample it plenty, doesn’t mean the original track doesn’t contain a sample
He ain’t too friendly he just a real man who gone do what he want and not what fans gotta say or want him to do. Sound like a man who stand on his own to me
@@averageyoutuber1058 yeah them be the ones that’ll hurt you in real life. Y’all think a man apologizing makes him too friendly. Y’all kill me trying to be too hard for yourself and others. Hope you niggas grow up one day. Yeen gotta approach situations how they come to you😭😂
Saying Cole doesn't rap with elite rappers is hilarious. That feature run he did a feature for EVERYBODY. Now you're gonna tell me Royce, Benny, Bas, JID, Jay Rock, 21 and Drake aren't nice?? People will just anything on a podcast man lol
@@Eli-ss9gj okay but he's not Jay-Z... he's J. Cole and he does his artistry HIS WAY. It doesn't have to be understood and approved by anyone. ANDDDD this is NOT a single...
Cole’s issue is he let his peers gas him up, according to Wayno, who said Dreamville members were saying “watchu gon do, Cole!?” There was no genuine basis for a Cole & Kendrick beef in the first place in comparison to Drake & Kendrick who had real friction. This is why “7-Minute Drill” seemed like an empty diss, and you could tell he did a response to appease the people online who love drama. You don’t need a beef to rap better than the next rapper. I hope we get another song from Cole & Kendrick with a verse each.
The beef is when Kenny said fuck the big 3. Cole included. Kendrick is wordsman and knew how to exclude him but he didn't. From there it's beef or a challenge. And secondly, kenny and Cole don't have any good songs together. Cole has better tracks with Wale than Kendrick.
@@voiceofalabama nah Cole started that on First person shooter. "The Big 3 is Drake Kenny and Me- But right now I feel like Muhammad Ali" that's definitely a backhanded compliment and a diss. Kendrick just responded lol
@@voiceofalabamaf the big three it's just big me IS NOT a diss yo. Any competitor in any skill (Sports,writing,movies,music) think they the best "no disrespect" I'm sure KD thought he was better than LeBron at some point KAT think he better than Embiid n the Joker it's competition in other words that line not a diss
People are not taking the Port Antonio song for what it is. It's JCole's own take on what he felt about the Kendrick Drake beef. First verse is about his own upbringing. And as always JCole's delivery is second to none. Second verse is him being a humble man in his own lane speaking his own truth. Dope ass song hands down. He don't really give a fuck what people think or is trying to prove to us something he already knows about himself.
@@dmtmediabrothershe still is the coldest what did Kendrick and drake do that was new in their disses in terms of rapping? It was a gossip fest I swear niggas be the biggest bitches always arguing back and forth with nothing to show for it 💀. I’m not saying they got to try and kill or injure each other. but at a certain point the back and forth is just repetitive either don’t say anything or make up with each other.
They are tripping especially dude in the green saying Jcole doesn’t rap with people on his level. Cole has a track with Royce da 5’9, he has a track with Benny The Butcher, he is on the TKO Remix with Justin Timberlake ASAP Rocky and Pusha T which came out a little after Kendrick Lamar’s Control.
“Without context” do you mean aside from Cole not taking accountability and being wishy washy in his hypocrisy to portray a false image of self righteousness???
Bottom line, Cole became exactly what he accused Wale of being in False Prophets. Because everybody knew he was talking to three rappers in that song. Kanye, Wale, and himself.
Nah I hope it sounds like whatever my mans has evolved into, his raps are just getting better. Might Deleter Later is arguably his best work. His raps were impeccable. I hope he keeps doing whatever he's doing. I just hate that this beef threw him off course.
I had no problem with him bowing out because beef ain't about rap battling. We all found out that what went on between Kendrick and Drake went beyond rap. Cole should have just left the past in the past. Unfortunately, people don't want to be enlightened or care to hear his explanations. Just get back to rap because you can't please everyone
I don’t see why more people don’t see this; I’ve said it before and even Cole agreed. He ain’t afraid to battle anyone, he just didn’t battle a friend. Once he realized it was deeper than rap, he wisely chose to step out. He didn’t help himself with that diss tho
@@queezus9176 i agree he didn't help himself, but I think this is him trying to battle without the beef. I wouldn't be surprised if he and Kendrick had an agreement to postpone their battle until Kendrick was done eviscerating Drake. Kendrick didn't even go at Cole with the same energy he did for Drake. People are too quick to judge, love drama, and are bloodthirsty. They miss the nuance. Cole is not the type to talk about baby mamas or call someone a pedo. Don't be surprised if Cole starts dropping more battle-type stuff but he isn't going in the gutter like what we saw from the other 2 guys months ago.
@justified004 😂😂😂 yall gotta stop making excuses. Aa a huge Cole fan, he messed up. 7 minute drill + the apology= 2 critical errors. I just hope The Fall Off is undeniable.
@@derekaddison4835 how is it an error. Bro walked into what he thought was a rap battle but it turns out it was a decade old beef. Cole ain't the type to go after baby mama, wish some is dead, mention peoples kids, or make pedo allegations. He didn't have a dog in that fight so exiting is smart not an error.
you’re not alone on that one. Cole is making it hard for us to take that second verse serious after everything. just go back to storytelling if you’re not like that. he keeps over explaining
@@ytvel4273 over explaining? So he can’t speak his truth? Isn’t that what hip hop is all about? It’s actually crazy that yall are really tryna tell a grown man what he can and can’t say, as if his opinions are “wrong.”
@@alexvaldez6924 he’s still over explaining himself and obviously spending too much time on the internet. if he honestly is “above it” like he claims then let it go. just don’t rap about that “i’m this and that”. Joe and Parks are right
@@ytvel4273 see this is the problem with some of yall. A man can’t say “I mistook myself for something I’m not, learned from my mistakes, and no longer want to go that direction” without you guys claiming he’s “above that.” Again, he isn’t over explaining shit. He’s speaking his truth. He has every right to say he’s a dope rapper. What he probably shouldn’t say is that he wants smoke with anybody. Those are two different statements. And it’s one song, you say “let it go” like he’s been speaking on this 😭 Kendrick dropped middle school insults on not like us and played it six times at the pop up and nobody told him to “let it go.”
@@raynenolan2864 Instigated or saw through the bs PR games they were playing bts and folling the fans with?? I remember Joe asking "Did ya'll find it weird that Drake & Future never shot a video for or performed "Wait For U" months before their beef became public. He just has insight regarding rap conflict and really is good at reading the tea leaves when it comes to this stuff.
I mean y'all telling him what he already said himself in the song. And It's easy to tell him to stay off the internet when most of us will never be the topic of discussion for millions of ppl.
You all are legit mad that an adult male didn’t want to beef. Y’all say he sneak diss by saying he’s the best rapper. That’s not sneak dissing we are rappers. Like Cole said find a MF that’s rapping this incredibly. If yall think anyone is better a beef doesn’t prove that. Nas never surpassed Jay, Canibus never surpassed LL, and so on and so on. Make the music and let it talk.
Conflict is integral to claiming your the best. If no one steps to the throne than no foul but If u back down from a challenge u cant claim the top spot anymore im not sorry. Its how it works in sports so why different here when its competition as well. And stop with the bs no one is mad he didnt want beef. We lookin side eyed becuz of the right hook he threw out and then tried to pull it back. Nigga claims consciousness but still falls into the lower ego traps lol.
So when Kendrick called him out on why not have the same energy with Kendrick?? Clearly Kendrick don’t value the relationship the same way otherwise he never would’ve did the like that verse. It’s crazy yall do gymnastics on it for J Cole instead of keepin the same energy. It’s madddddd corny. I didn’t know we need to hold his hand like to cross the street.
@@Dmm314 it takes two people to beef. Cole initially jumped in it then thought about it and did what men do which is admit their wrong. He walked it back. A lot of men would be home with their families today if they understood that concept. Y’all like beef because it gives you something to talk about. I like the art of the music I could care less about beef. Ja Rule didn’t become a top rapper because he defeated Eminem in a rap battle. People will still say Eminem is better. The music is what matters.
@@CoachProOPF Kendrick didn’t care about NONE OF THIS SHIT when he stood on his ten and called out Cole and Drake. Kendrick put his “ relationship “ with Cole on the line for this rap shit. Cole admitted defeat by apologizing, even took the diss track down, which is diaBOLICAL! Dishonorable. Then blamed the culture for gassing him to do the diss ONLY to come out later to say he was trying to save a relationship that HIS “ FRIEND “ put up for grabs in the first place. Cole is a busta. A wangsta, soft, whatever phrase you want to use. He not like that, which is fine but don’t come back out later talking about some “ I wouldn’t have lost the beef. “ When Kendrick didn’t even have to try that hard to get you to apologize. Stop it. Kendrick got everybody scared except Drake. It’s crazy.
I’m pretty sure if any of you saw a reel or short where a dude gets punched, turns and runs away and tucks in the house. Yall are saying that guy is a punk! Cole did just that. All that GOAT rapper alive is dead for him. ONE OF THE BEST IS DEFINITELY THERE! PERIOD.
You know what’s funny.. I think more importantly then it being the dead presidents beats, it’s the garden of peace sample… personally I think he chose that sample for that reason. He’s a producer too. Producers know that sample because we all went back and asked ourself, where did jay get this sample from???
I feel like the most played out loops are the Lauryn Hill loops because they are practically the same songs just flipped at different parts of the song
He said that. He just didn't like the BS Cole was saying in the second verse. He even acknowledge the wordplay was fire even tho the message itself was garbage.
Cole is the guy who backed out the beef; which is fine. HOWEVER, with that being said let it go! It’s been 6 months. Why do you still feel the need to explain yourself. You bowed out, that’s it. Case closed.
Agreed. I had no problems with him bowing out because beef ain't about battling. We all found out that what went on between Kendrick and Drake went beyond rap. Cole should have just left the past in the past. People don't want to be enlightened or hear his explanations. Get back to rap
First off, this song wasn't a single. Cole is an artist and should have the freedom to express himself however he wants... so what if it's months later. Let him get everything out
@@justified004 clearly that’s not the case tho. The whole narrative everyone is still trying to push is that Cole is somehow soft for not crashing out and hopping in a personal beef between people he doesn’t have personal problems with. And then people hyper focus on his one line where he says “I wouldn’t have lost a battle I would have lost a bro” and act like that means he’s claiming he would’ve won the beef when that’s obviously not what he meant.
OK here is the thing. I know what he was trying to say, it's not that he's saying he would have won the battle he just meant that he was gonna lose a bro either way. Kendrick and Drake are NEVER making music together again after this, and Cole is just trying to say that he didn't want that to happen. HOWEVER, I think this all could have been avoided if Drake hadn't made it personal and if Cole just didn't drop during that period instead of apologizing. If he didn't drop during the Euphoria/Family matters time and we asked him about it later and he says "It got to personal for me" cool then that would have been done and we could move on.
He owned up to his misstep, I can respect that. Too many ppl over analyzing it. Tbh had Drake not caught feelings over the Control verse we may have gotten a positive competitive track out the three of them.
They did a song with young Jeezy Jcole crushed it but I agree black Friday Kendrick completely demolished. Cole went 15% on that track but still Kdot ripped
@6:30 this is a VERY VERY incorrect take Cole raps with Dreamville artist who have elite pens Saba Smino Royce da 59 Benny the butcher He rapped with all of GOOD MUSIC Jeezy and Kdot
J Cole trying to act like all this is beneath him is laughable. He has taken shots at Kendrick over the years, he dropped a diss track just a few months ago. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Once you apologise, you exit the stage.
@@SoulOfTheSouth They don't listen to Cole fr. Shits getting out of pocket with these weirdo narratives lately But if you pay attention, the people mad they didn't get to see blood always get mad when he mentions how thirsty evb is to see him go at it with people. Forcing yourself to hate the second verse is crazy
@@alexvaldez6924 Nah u hating. Ya boy soft its alright. Still can rap so idk why yall mad. We know he can rap. He just cant claim the top at least right now
Will always have love for Cole. He is a grown man with a family and businesses. This beef thing wasn't got him. I support his stance. People just like seing violence it's stupid. Even more for them to talk about it like this on a Podcast is sad. We could be doing more with this time but like Cole said, if it's for the bag,then do you. I don't get niggas that judge Cole though.
Y’all get on my nerves with these brain dead takes. Even before Cole dropped 7- minute drill there was never any personal beef between him and Kendrick. He saw the route drake and Kendrick’s beef was going and didn’t wanna get involved in it cause he doesn’t have real life issues with them. Is a boxer or ufc fighter soft if they decide not to hop in a bar fight? 😂
@@Optimism2K question, when Cole dropped 7 minute drill did you think the intention was for real beef or issues to be the result? One of the song’s biggest criticisms was that Cole didn’t do much dissing on the song because none of the shots were personal😂. Also, if that song was such a huge shot at Kendrick and was supposed to be seen as fuel for a real beef between the two, does that make Kendrick weak for not really dropping a response diss even though Cole encouraged him to do it? Genuinely I don’t get how you could look at what actually took place place between Kendrick and Drake and then blame Cole for not wanting to get involved with that once he saw the direction it was going 😂. Also if you do listen to Cole, then you hear all the props and respect he gives to “the big 3” 😂 and you also heard him pretty consistently say he’s not interested in faking beef to sell a product or gain clout. It’s fine to say you’re disappointed that Cole and Kendrick didn’t go back and forth with eachother in competition. To act like Cole instigated a beef and then backed out cause he got checked or something is just the ignorant take mfs are trying to push constantly at this point
What does "Ish" mean by how many rappers are on Cole level...I feel he subtly threw shade at "We know who," and I love the response Young gave..."what u meeeaaan???" And yes, I agree with Joe on the sec verse.
Cole backed out the beef in April. Why is he circling back 6 months later to try and rewrite history. He could have left this topic alone! He dissed Kendrick. If beef was truly beneath him he would never engage in the first place.
It doesn't seem like he's trying to rewrite history,he's just speaking his peace on it because his role in the beef is still being talked about. Plus tbf Kendrick dissed him first when Cole was only showing love to him on First Person Shooter
@quandrealion "Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast and I'm 'bout to clear up my plate..." Steppers, as in Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers (by Kendrick). That's a shot, not love. Open your ears.
Because Cole copped a plea and apologized 2 days after dropping it? Why diss someone waving a white flag? Which is kind of a snake move from Cole because he went off and took a shot and then apologized before Kendrick could respond, assuming he wouldn't if he apologized for it.
I don't think Kendrick ever really had a problem with Cole...the Like That verse doesn't say much about Cole, it's mostly for Drake...I think after 7MD dropped Kendrick would have responded but Cole apologized on stage in front of everybody and deleted the song so Kendrick decided to focus on the 1 remaining opponent...just my opinion
it was supposed to be a exhibition, it turned into more because of drake. j cole started the exhibition and despite the real shit kendrick lamar brought up in the beef that extends beyond the game, j cole still calls drake a friend and a music collaborator. j cole bails out of the car that he was steering, then wants to meet up with drake at the crash site like "lets make some money 😁 friend 😁" then looks down his nose at kendrick lamar for being a military tank that crushed the car, like: "little old me, when i ride on my opps, i ride a bike"
Bottom line is Cole made a half baked decision to throw a bunch and decided to not deal with the consequences and apologize after. When he has been someone to spit verses talking about he will kill any rapper in the game for years and decide to run away is going to stain his legacy. I don’t give a damn about his morals because as a rapper you should deal with the consequences of his actions after throwing that punch even if he didn’t want to do it. He still did it 🤦🏽♂️. It would of been more honorable if he dealt with it and friendly faded Kendrick and still expressing he didn’t want to diss through his disses if that makes sense
J Cole can lie and say Kendrick and him are friends all he wants we know they are not. Don’t hangout, don’t communicate, don’t collaborate often only once? Coward Cole strikes again
Kendrick is a student of the game. He never considered any of them niggas his friends. If they wasn’t signed with Top Dawg, they wasn’t getting any attention from Boogeyman.
@@gloryroad7452 forreal. He got all these other niggas fooled. He already said “when shots get to blasting, I turn into a track star” 🏃🏿♂️ 💨🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@Dkvizu do better j Cole and Kendrick themselves will say they don’t communicate or hangout. The term “friend” is hilarious they are not friends. We both know anytime they hangout someone would take a picture so quit with the foolishness
He picks and chooses the most obvious artists to Collab with. That aren't lyrically on his level. Why not do a couple features with Wayne it's only 450k. A couple with Eminem, Royce, Why not 2010 Big Sean, Dave East maybe, why not do a couple with Joyner, before 2014 Logic or NF, he smoked with Mac miller hmm. Cole picks and chooses those below him. Rarely does he feature or Collab with someone on his level or above. That's like a Legendary rank in call of duty mobile only playing in unranked lobbies after gaining legendary status. You just like getting stats on folks who aren't good.
@@andrewswing9917Hes rapped with Royce on boblo boat, Rapsody on sojourner, Push and Sean in the mixtape era on Looking for Trouble Trae the Truth on Children of Men, Benny the Butcher on JP Caddy, Drake several times, Wayne on green ranger, Daylyt and Ab soul on Pi and Collard greens, Wale on My Boy, JID on stick and Off Deez, Camron on They Ready, Jeezy and Kendrick on American Dream, Earthgang on water boyz and the dreamville ep, Lute on the EP, KRIT on Prove It, Smino on 90 proof and to top it all off hes never rapped with Mac Miller RIP hes they just produced for each other
J fold have a track record we can go by now!! Going back from hating in soundtrack rappers. They way he handled kanye. The soulja boy shit. Not Kenny & drake. Niggas really be getting away with fuck shit because they got bars. P.s I love the song but facts is facts
Cole damn near single handedly created this big 3 conversation. You never hear Drake or Kendrick mentioning it, but Cole repeatedly rapped about it. He went from “they threw the bronze at me” to “I feel like I’m Mohamed Ali”. At the beginning he seemed to be just happy to be mentioned with the other 2 and at some point he wanted to challenge them for the crown. He can rap as well as anyone but he doesn’t have enough crossover hits. His decision making in the last few months didn’t help.
Let Cole live jeez lmao it's very easy to be critical when you aren't living another person's life. Are you this critical and cautious about your decisions?
@@brebanks6241 I don’t think I’m being critical at all, just stating what I’ve observed. It may seem like everyone is piling up on him at the moment but I believe everything I stated is factual. This is what comes with being in the limelight. He’ll be okay.
He’s never felt like he was 3rd himself. “The best nigga breathing, it just failed to hit you. You couldn’t tell cause you fell for the bells and whistles”
"The hardest thing to be is yourself, especially when everyone is watching." We get lost, tricked out of our position, get caught up in 💩, or we do things we later regret. He's just able to admit it.
Honestly he could've stayed out of it. Or thrown a friendly jab and just kept it pushing. Now he has to backpedal and backtrack. If you claim you are the best and want to turn this whole thing into a competition, then you can't just back out after jumping in like that. It makes you look weak. He went on this feature run exalting himself as the best rapper alive, but when it was time to go against the best rappers he jumped in and then backed out. Should've let it stay between them. Nobody was looking for a cole response because we all knew how much K dot HATES Drake
I don’t understand people’s issue with Cole. He’s cool with Drake and Kendrick. Kendrick is calling Drake a pedophile, and a dead beat father, while Drake is calling Kendrick a woman beater and his wife is getting smashed. How does Cole fit in that if he’s cool with both of them. He could have the best diss lyrically out of all of them but he doesn’t match their disrespect he doesn’t have a shot. So people want Cole to go that route just to win a battle? lol Makes no sense.
He’s rapping but what is he really saying? He’s always talking gun talk and bravado rap, but he’s barely saying anything with substance anymore. Theres moments yeah, but the depth is lacking for me. Part of great writing isn’t always about the words you use, it’s how you put words together that impact and affect people in a certain way. J Cole got caught up in proving that he can rap after people kept saying he was sleepy etc, and now he’s lost a part of him that made him who he was in the beginning.
Song is dope and he spitting until he brings up the issues and how his pen is fire and he is a gun. Like bruh stop. Just say you are a dope spitter. But talking peace and bringing up beef in the same song is talking out two sides of your neck with soft subs too
As much as I appreciate the failed New York rapper turned Podcaster named Joseph he needs to respectfully keep Coles name out his mouth. Aint nothing soft about a guy like Cole
They keep talking bout him rapping on a looped dead presidents beat like that something special. J.Cole has a whole song where he's rapping on the actual dead presidents beat on his The Warm Up Mixtape. And he murdered that whole song, its called Dead Presidents II , it's no surprise that j.cole murdered the port Antonio song
He's not battling because he's "mature" He does features with weaker rappers to "challenge himself" It takes a grown man to "walk away" He's putting "friendship first" but that "friend" is the one who dissed him in the first place ANYMORE EXCUSES FOR THIS BOY?
@alexvaldez6924 Did YOU even watch the video? Lol. Those features were not discussed. You so anxious to jump on Cole's balls you got ahead of yourself. Real emcees don't back down and damn sure don't apologize. It has ALWAYS been that way. Only brand new softeeboyz have a problem with this. And before you even start, THEY ARE NOT FRIENDS. K Dot dissed him first you Stanley.
THANK YOU!! That SAME friend is the one who dissed him 🤣 but you wanna save the relationship and blame the culture for gassing you up for the beef?? Corny.
For the people who think Cole and Kendrick could've had a calm rap battle. Can I ask how when the whole jumping off point was kendrick thinking cole clicked up with the guy who he does have 10 yr beef with? How does that not get personal if they look like they run together? I dont even think cole gets a stray on any record if hes not on fps cuz hes already mentioned kendrick and drake together and said hes the best before on Heavens EP in 2021 with no issues, he just wasnt on a song and tour with drake.
Even though I know it pains me but I do agree with joes sentiment about the big 3 debate if we go back to heavens E.P Cole explains how he felt he was handed the bronze behind drake and Kendrick so it’s very obvious that Cole in some regard was bothered by how he perceived his position in that conversation, Cole had the opportunity to prove why he’s worthy for number one which I really do think he is worthy but he chose not to for understandable reasoning but I don’t think Cole was okay with just being regarded as anything other than 1
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The song fire, that's all that matters to me.
I respect Cole for being him, trying to please everyone only hurts yourself in the end
But on the song he's trying to please everyone though, that's the irony 😂😂....first he made Kendrick a villain when he dissed him on 7 minute drill. Then crowned Kendrick during his apology in the process leaving Drake out in the cold. Now when the battle is over he comes back and crowns Drake and suddenly makes us the audience the villains. He got no backbone bra. He just had to keep this verse out the song and apologise to Drake in private
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Fax on Facts on phacts
He's literally trying to please eveyone 😂
@@interests357yeah completely agree. I don’t understand why so many of the fans are so blind to see what he did was very wrong on so many levels. He has flip flopped like crazy throughout all of this. Prior to the beef I had so much respect for him as an elite MC and a man but that’s all gone now. Spineless behaviour. I genuinely think only the hardcore fans understood the magnitude of what he did because they’ve been rocking with him for years. Most of the people championing his apology are casual or recents fans and didn’t have any expectations or standard for him. Kendrick accused Drake of so many things and picked apart his character and flaws, but I have more respect for Drake cause he stood on his words like a real man. Nobody forced cole to jump in the beef. He’s a grown man and sat on the response to the like that verse for weeks. So it was a conscious decision to release 7 min drill. He was also the one that constantly talked about the big three where clearly the other two didn’t feel the same about it.
@@MU5T1991calm down bro lol. It’s not that serious. “Very wrong” 😂 the celebrity worship is insane. He don’t owe anyone SHIT. Yal home watching yal insignificant . I hope yal are teenagers man 🤦🏿♂️
Soft? What is considered to be a hard man in your eyes joe? Turning your back on the one who fed you like Eminem? Does that qualify to be considered hard in the rap game? J Cole has been the same throughout the entirety of his career. He built his label and feeds his people he doesn't take bait or start drama he just inspires with divine purpose. Tired of ignorance being glorified in today's world. J Cole is the greatest rapper to do it.
Story telling A+
Rhyme A+
Beats A+
Flow A+
Vocabulary use and enteredes A+
Ignorance and blind eyes can't see the truth.
Really THE GOAT
I think this who J Cole thing is exposing the mindset of black men. J Cole is refusing to cross a line and instead of respecting it they rather criticize him for not folding to the cycle. Hip hop does so much harm to black folk I swear.
And you know good-n-well that all these jokers would be quick with the "We need to do better" thoughts and prayers if this "beef" that they're so hungry for ends up going too far and people start getting shot. Clown show.
100%!!
@@Agnelum1 Ain't nobody getting shot over this "beef". Stop the bs.
@@Supre3m3Kai you know what the problem is with that logic, it’s short sighted, I’m talking about a repeating cycle. No one is getting shot over this one but, people have and can get shot if the cycle continues. Bigger picture!
@@Supre3m3Kai You're too simple to see beyond your nose so it's not even worth explaining to you.
Cole came back from the worst year of his career by just rapping. No interviews, ig pr stunts, statements or podcasts he just rapped and if you appreciate bars his last few features and releases have to get you excited for The Fall Off.
His worse year is close to an average rappers best year
Cole still lying
The original song that is sampled is Lonnie Liston Smith’s ‘A Garden of Peace’. But yes, it has been relentlessly sampled. Rick Ross alone has used it like 3 times lol
Teach em'
Love the garden of peace!
Y'all only know that sample bc of Dead Presidents. Let's keep it a buck
@AngeBiampandou if I keep it a buck I didn't even know it was dead president until I watch Joe break it down. But I'm old enough to remember when dead president was release and the sample track from way back.
@@AngeBiampandou not everybody is a 40+ year old New Yorker who looks at Jay Z as god. I ain’t even know what Dead Presidents he was talkin about I thought they was talkin bout the movie lol
As someone who really likes the song, I agree with every word of criticism Cole is receiving.
It's fire song especially the first verse but I disagree with the message of the second verse.
Love the song, the sample and the hook/melodic elements of the rapping, however it’s an effort to seem “neutral” after collab’ing with Kendrick affliates, the 7MD apology and his feature run with artists in an active Drake feud. But the second verse comes out more as Cole defending and pitying an alleged pdf file, culture vulture and according to the Metro, The Weeknd and Future, a backstabber. Confusing tbh.
I agree with all of joes sentiments but in defense of Cole I don’t think he’s tryna defend drake, I just think he is spineless and doesn’t have any morals he stands for. He thinks he can be on everyone’s side but when taking the road of trying to please everyone you end up pleasing no one. He needs to be either stay out of it or pick a side and stand on it. I don’t trust mediators cause most of them believe their moral standing is higher than others. Type of nigga to tell niggas in the hood to squash the beef and find peace with the dudes who killed their brother last year. Self righteous ass niggas think they know the answer to everything
@@Matthew-xl5bc Agreed, the first verse is very excellent. The second verse while still good in the technical sense. The content of it leaves a lot to be desired.
@@paradise_valley I can understand where you’re coming from. Cole is coping pleas with that verse.
Might Delete Later is arguably Cole's best work. I hope he just keeps on that track. I hate that this rap beef threw my mans off.
I agree. Might Delete Later is probably the most slept on album that dropped this year simply because of the beef and him dropping “7 Minute Drill” and then deleting it and apologizing all kinda made this album go unnoticed. I personally think that this is one of his best work to date.
Dead presidents itself is a flip 😂😂😂
Yea parks be makin not a bit of sense sometimes. Jus cuz ppl fall in love wit a song & remix/sample it plenty, doesn’t mean the original track doesn’t contain a sample
Ay don’t tell that to the J.hova witnesses bruh 😂😂😭
@@akmage2652Idgi why would Jay fans be upset about that?
@@KingJuice215he obviously knows that lol. It’s one of the biggest rap songs of all time so anyone that uses the sample is gonna be compared to it
@@Eli-ss9gj Not upset but Jay is above reproach in some of they eyes, I like a lot of his music so i’m not a hater lol
Cole killed this. Period.
Period
He too friendly but he can rap his ass off
He can but I don’t wanna hear this mf talk big about being the best again
He ain’t too friendly he just a real man who gone do what he want and not what fans gotta say or want him to do. Sound like a man who stand on his own to me
@@tyreseheard all these apologies… he def too friendly … he can rap tho..🤷🏾♂️
@@averageyoutuber1058 yeah them be the ones that’ll hurt you in real life. Y’all think a man apologizing makes him too friendly. Y’all kill me trying to be too hard for yourself and others. Hope you niggas grow up one day. Yeen gotta approach situations how they come to you😭😂
He apologized to protect him self. Which Cole continues to do
Coles penmanship is something else, regardless of how you feel anout the guy.
That's never been up for debate
Penmanship isn’t questionable
It’s his character
@@PALUSAMISI I personally don't think that's questionable either.
@@TheReelRapNerdMe neither. But hip-hop historically accepted assholes way more than nice people . I mean Puff and Ye are billionaires.
@@PALUSAMISI Pen still isn't on a level where he touches your soul. He's just got very nice bars. Doesn't delve deep.
Analysis of rap beef and lyrics is where Joe shines on this pod.
That part. When it comes to music and the music industry I fw his weird ass
It's his best bag
He be fumblin' the others😂
Problem is everyone is confusing a rap battle with beef.
@@raynenolan2864
Either one… Cole has no backbone
@kevinstewart8054 that comment sound like some bot shit.
Saying Cole doesn't rap with elite rappers is hilarious. That feature run he did a feature for EVERYBODY. Now you're gonna tell me Royce, Benny, Bas, JID, Jay Rock, 21 and Drake aren't nice?? People will just anything on a podcast man lol
Facts. Cole literally out rapped Daylyt and Ab Soul on Might Delete Later, and I consider Soul the best lyricist ever
U know, I was getting ready to say he didn’t outrap JID on that “Off Deez” but just played it back and Cole was wylin 😂🤣
This is why this podcast phase needs to hash out quick. Everyone gets behind a mic and think their stupid opinion means something
Exactly because him and Drake on evil ways was absolutely wild.
They gotta post these clips way faster. Saw this shit on Twitter days ago lol
Right, I just tuned into the full episode for that part when it came out lol. They’re mad slow with the clips, always have been
Facts.. Other people posting they shyt days before
Man I say the same thing every time they post. I have seen it at least twice by the time they post it 3 days later
Just watch the full podcast (which is what they want you to do). They have timestamps so you can skip right to the part you want lol
They’ll never make me hate Cole. Lyrically I’m taking him over Kendrick and Drake. Easily
Lyrically doesn’t fool me to hide his character and how he moves like a snake
Saying that nothing can make you dislike someone who isn't family just means you lack backbone.
@@Neshy10
We don’t pretend that doesn’t exist we just know that yall tryna to act like 7 minute drill doesn’t 😂
@@Neshy10
Oh my bad my bad lol go ahead 🙏🏽
😂😂😂 he is super soft i dont ever wanna hear him talk tough. He only apologized cause his diss was trash
The faster J Cole gets away from the beef the better
how can he when yall keep crafting narratives about every verse he spits and every feature he gives out?
@@MMCLLC7 By ignoring the internet and leaving it alone. He apologized almost 6 months ago.
he was almost away from it until this dumb ass port antonio
@@MMCLLC7could just go the Jay Z route; ignore it entirely.
@@Eli-ss9gj okay but he's not Jay-Z... he's J. Cole and he does his artistry HIS WAY. It doesn't have to be understood and approved by anyone. ANDDDD this is NOT a single...
Cole’s issue is he let his peers gas him up,
according to Wayno, who said Dreamville
members were saying “watchu gon do,
Cole!?” There was no genuine basis
for a Cole & Kendrick beef in the
first place in comparison to
Drake & Kendrick who had
real friction. This is why
“7-Minute Drill” seemed
like an empty diss, and
you could tell he did a
response to appease
the people online
who love drama.
You don’t need a beef to rap better than the next rapper. I hope we get another song
from Cole & Kendrick with a verse each.
The beef is when Kenny said fuck the big 3. Cole included. Kendrick is wordsman and knew how to exclude him but he didn't. From there it's beef or a challenge. And secondly, kenny and Cole don't have any good songs together. Cole has better tracks with Wale than Kendrick.
@@voiceofalabama nah Cole started that on First person shooter. "The Big 3 is Drake Kenny and Me- But right now I feel like Muhammad Ali" that's definitely a backhanded compliment and a diss. Kendrick just responded lol
@@voiceofalabamaf the big three it's just big me IS NOT a diss yo. Any competitor in any skill (Sports,writing,movies,music) think they the best "no disrespect" I'm sure KD thought he was better than LeBron at some point KAT think he better than Embiid n the Joker it's competition in other words that line not a diss
People are not taking the Port Antonio song for what it is. It's JCole's own take on what he felt about the Kendrick Drake beef. First verse is about his own upbringing. And as always JCole's delivery is second to none. Second verse is him being a humble man in his own lane speaking his own truth. Dope ass song hands down. He don't really give a fuck what people think or is trying to prove to us something he already knows about himself.
They get it but he was talking bout how he the coldest still thats what joe talkin bout
@@dmtmediabrothershe still is the coldest what did Kendrick and drake do that was new in their disses in terms of rapping? It was a gossip fest I swear niggas be the biggest bitches always arguing back and forth with nothing to show for it 💀. I’m not saying they got to try and kill or injure each other. but at a certain point the back and forth is just repetitive either don’t say anything or make up with each other.
“Y’all niggas ain’t stopping me, “Y’all niggas ain’t stopping meeee”
Lil dude on the couch said he hates ALL of the features?? Lmao
He trippin lol
Kendrick got J Cole lookin like Big Sean out here “ Nah, he didn’t mean it bro. “ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Passive aggressive dudes are the worst.
Dangggggg😂
You not wrong
he is Big sean with consistancy lol
Big sean has more bars than Kendrick
BIG CAP.
They are tripping especially dude in the green saying Jcole doesn’t rap with people on his level. Cole has a track with Royce da 5’9, he has a track with Benny The Butcher, he is on the TKO Remix with Justin Timberlake ASAP Rocky and Pusha T which came out a little after Kendrick Lamar’s Control.
He also has a track with Soul and Daylyt.
And don't forget "A Star Is Born". Dude came out the gate on a track with Jay Z! (If I've understood your comment correctly)
The song with Day showed me that Cole is different different
Without context of the beef, it is a beautiful song. That has to count for something.
Context always matters in literature. Rap is literature, fam
What? 😂
@@rockyshack2231 and they removed it to make their point. You're not saying anything profound.
“Without context” do you mean aside from Cole not taking accountability and being wishy washy in his hypocrisy to portray a false image of self righteousness???
@@PALUSAMISI yes
Bottom line, Cole became exactly what he accused Wale of being in False Prophets. Because everybody knew he was talking to three rappers in that song. Kanye, Wale, and himself.
Because he didn't want to get into a beef with Lamar
I think you should listen to that song again. I think you might have missed something.
@@Demsky83u need to go back to school you missed alot
Smh …
Kendrick damn sure didnt care about the friendship @askellpositive
J Cole snapped on presidents on the warm up
I've hated Parks since it was just his knee on camera
Why is parks never on camera
😂😂😂😂
Hopefully J. Cole's new album sounds like Cole World 🙏💯 7:13
He gotta go back to that
Nah I hope it sounds like whatever my mans has evolved into, his raps are just getting better. Might Deleter Later is arguably his best work. His raps were impeccable. I hope he keeps doing whatever he's doing. I just hate that this beef threw him off course.
Shit sound like I might delete later💯that ep is hard asf
I had no problem with him bowing out because beef ain't about rap battling. We all found out that what went on between Kendrick and Drake went beyond rap. Cole should have just left the past in the past. Unfortunately, people don't want to be enlightened or care to hear his explanations. Just get back to rap because you can't please everyone
I don’t see why more people don’t see this; I’ve said it before and even Cole agreed. He ain’t afraid to battle anyone, he just didn’t battle a friend. Once he realized it was deeper than rap, he wisely chose to step out. He didn’t help himself with that diss tho
@@queezus9176 i agree he didn't help himself, but I think this is him trying to battle without the beef. I wouldn't be surprised if he and Kendrick had an agreement to postpone their battle until Kendrick was done eviscerating Drake. Kendrick didn't even go at Cole with the same energy he did for Drake. People are too quick to judge, love drama, and are bloodthirsty. They miss the nuance. Cole is not the type to talk about baby mamas or call someone a pedo. Don't be surprised if Cole starts dropping more battle-type stuff but he isn't going in the gutter like what we saw from the other 2 guys months ago.
@justified004 😂😂😂 yall gotta stop making excuses. Aa a huge Cole fan, he messed up. 7 minute drill + the apology= 2 critical errors. I just hope The Fall Off is undeniable.
@@derekaddison4835 how is it an error. Bro walked into what he thought was a rap battle but it turns out it was a decade old beef. Cole ain't the type to go after baby mama, wish some is dead, mention peoples kids, or make pedo allegations. He didn't have a dog in that fight so exiting is smart not an error.
J cole folded
Coal folded in battle and now he wanna take the high road
When got two friends hanging in the balance, I wouldn’t call it folding
@@nathanjarrelleFOLDED. He’s a coward. Will never be in the big 3 again
I'm with Joe and Parks on this one 🤷🏾♀️
you’re not alone on that one. Cole is making it hard for us to take that second verse serious after everything. just go back to storytelling if you’re not like that. he keeps over explaining
Yoo I been sayin wut Parks been sayin bout da Dead presidents sample Its overplayed
@@ytvel4273 over explaining? So he can’t speak his truth? Isn’t that what hip hop is all about? It’s actually crazy that yall are really tryna tell a grown man what he can and can’t say, as if his opinions are “wrong.”
@@alexvaldez6924 he’s still over explaining himself and obviously spending too much time on the internet. if he honestly is “above it” like he claims then let it go. just don’t rap about that “i’m this and that”. Joe and Parks are right
@@ytvel4273 see this is the problem with some of yall. A man can’t say “I mistook myself for something I’m not, learned from my mistakes, and no longer want to go that direction” without you guys claiming he’s “above that.” Again, he isn’t over explaining shit. He’s speaking his truth. He has every right to say he’s a dope rapper. What he probably shouldn’t say is that he wants smoke with anybody. Those are two different statements. And it’s one song, you say “let it go” like he’s been speaking on this 😭 Kendrick dropped middle school insults on not like us and played it six times at the pop up and nobody told him to “let it go.”
I gotta agree with Joe on this one, STOP listening to the internet man
Joe is the internet.
Joe instigated part of the beef. He has no right to say this.
@@raynenolan2864 Instigated or saw through the bs PR games they were playing bts and folling the fans with?? I remember Joe asking "Did ya'll find it weird that Drake & Future never shot a video for or performed "Wait For U" months before their beef became public. He just has insight regarding rap conflict and really is good at reading the tea leaves when it comes to this stuff.
I mean y'all telling him what he already said himself in the song. And It's easy to tell him to stay off the internet when most of us will never be the topic of discussion for millions of ppl.
as one of the greats, being self aware is a great thing.
You all are legit mad that an adult male didn’t want to beef. Y’all say he sneak diss by saying he’s the best rapper. That’s not sneak dissing we are rappers. Like Cole said find a MF that’s rapping this incredibly. If yall think anyone is better a beef doesn’t prove that. Nas never surpassed Jay, Canibus never surpassed LL, and so on and so on. Make the music and let it talk.
🧢
Conflict is integral to claiming your the best. If no one steps to the throne than no foul but If u back down from a challenge u cant claim the top spot anymore im not sorry. Its how it works in sports so why different here when its competition as well. And stop with the bs no one is mad he didnt want beef. We lookin side eyed becuz of the right hook he threw out and then tried to pull it back. Nigga claims consciousness but still falls into the lower ego traps lol.
So when Kendrick called him out on why not have the same energy with Kendrick?? Clearly Kendrick don’t value the relationship the same way otherwise he never would’ve did the like that verse.
It’s crazy yall do gymnastics on it for J Cole instead of keepin the same energy. It’s madddddd corny. I didn’t know we need to hold his hand like to cross the street.
@@Dmm314 it takes two people to beef. Cole initially jumped in it then thought about it and did what men do which is admit their wrong. He walked it back. A lot of men would be home with their families today if they understood that concept. Y’all like beef because it gives you something to talk about. I like the art of the music I could care less about beef. Ja Rule didn’t become a top rapper because he defeated Eminem in a rap battle. People will still say Eminem is better. The music is what matters.
@@CoachProOPF Kendrick didn’t care about NONE OF THIS SHIT when he stood on his ten and called out Cole and Drake.
Kendrick put his “ relationship “ with Cole on the line for this rap shit.
Cole admitted defeat by apologizing, even took the diss track down, which is diaBOLICAL! Dishonorable. Then blamed the culture for gassing him to do the diss ONLY to come out later to say he was trying to save a relationship that HIS “ FRIEND “ put up for grabs in the first place.
Cole is a busta. A wangsta, soft, whatever phrase you want to use. He not like that, which is fine but don’t come back out later talking about some “ I wouldn’t have lost the beef. “ When Kendrick didn’t even have to try that hard to get you to apologize.
Stop it. Kendrick got everybody scared except Drake. It’s crazy.
I’m pretty sure if any of you saw a reel or short where a dude gets punched, turns and runs away and tucks in the house. Yall are saying that guy is a punk! Cole did just that. All that GOAT rapper alive is dead for him. ONE OF THE BEST IS DEFINITELY THERE! PERIOD.
Has songs with everybody on his level
You know what’s funny.. I think more importantly then it being the dead presidents beats, it’s the garden of peace sample… personally I think he chose that sample for that reason. He’s a producer too. Producers know that sample because we all went back and asked ourself, where did jay get this sample from???
Great point
J.cole the best rapper in the world fr.
To you, to me, he is one of the best.
NEVER put Cole and best in the same sentence again. He gave that up for Kendrick remember 🤷🏾
He’s a great rapper, but never the best. Stop it.
3rd best** he lost his spot after that weak diss & weaker apology.
Must be 2 Worlds😂
You on a different planet than the rest of us nigga.
As a Kendrick fan I’m also disappointed in Cole as well and This is well deserved facts they’re both spitting.
I feel like the most played out loops are the Lauryn Hill loops because they are practically the same songs just flipped at different parts of the song
Sorry Budden. Cole cooked on this
Two things can be true. Nigga was barred up on this track. He also was feeding us a whole lotta bullshit as to why he bowed out.
He said that. He just didn't like the BS Cole was saying in the second verse. He even acknowledge the wordplay was fire even tho the message itself was garbage.
Nobody was disputing that he was rapping. His explanation about the beef was straight up BS though
Cooked himself
Cole is the guy who backed out the beef; which is fine. HOWEVER, with that being said let it go! It’s been 6 months. Why do you still feel the need to explain yourself. You bowed out, that’s it. Case closed.
Agreed. I had no problems with him bowing out because beef ain't about battling. We all found out that what went on between Kendrick and Drake went beyond rap. Cole should have just left the past in the past. People don't want to be enlightened or hear his explanations. Get back to rap
First off, this song wasn't a single. Cole is an artist and should have the freedom to express himself however he wants... so what if it's months later. Let him get everything out
@@justified004 clearly that’s not the case tho. The whole narrative everyone is still trying to push is that Cole is somehow soft for not crashing out and hopping in a personal beef between people he doesn’t have personal problems with. And then people hyper focus on his one line where he says “I wouldn’t have lost a battle I would have lost a bro” and act like that means he’s claiming he would’ve won the beef when that’s obviously not what he meant.
OK here is the thing. I know what he was trying to say, it's not that he's saying he would have won the battle he just meant that he was gonna lose a bro either way. Kendrick and Drake are NEVER making music together again after this, and Cole is just trying to say that he didn't want that to happen. HOWEVER, I think this all could have been avoided if Drake hadn't made it personal and if Cole just didn't drop during that period instead of apologizing. If he didn't drop during the Euphoria/Family matters time and we asked him about it later and he says "It got to personal for me" cool then that would have been done and we could move on.
He owned up to his misstep, I can respect that. Too many ppl over analyzing it. Tbh had Drake not caught feelings over the Control verse we may have gotten a positive competitive track out the three of them.
no he meant wat he said he knew how it would come across
Black Friday Cole got CRUSHED by Kendrick. Haven't heard a Kendrick verse on a Cole song since lmao.
They did a song with young Jeezy Jcole crushed it but I agree black Friday Kendrick completely demolished. Cole went 15% on that track but still Kdot ripped
@6:30 this is a VERY VERY incorrect take
Cole raps with Dreamville artist who have elite pens
Saba
Smino
Royce da 59
Benny the butcher
He rapped with all of GOOD MUSIC
Jeezy and Kdot
J Cole trying to act like all this is beneath him is laughable. He has taken shots at Kendrick over the years, he dropped a diss track just a few months ago. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Once you apologise, you exit the stage.
Cole would say "That's cake, that's what your supposed to do"!. 😂
Exactly.
Yep. Shit is mad disingenuous.
He never took shots at Kendrick for years. How he took shots at him for years and they worked together on a bunch of songs.
@@SoulOfTheSouth They don't listen to Cole fr. Shits getting out of pocket with these weirdo narratives lately
But if you pay attention, the people mad they didn't get to see blood always get mad when he mentions how thirsty evb is to see him go at it with people. Forcing yourself to hate the second verse is crazy
J Fold twice he an envelope now
Corny.
@@alexvaldez6924 Nah u hating. Ya boy soft its alright. Still can rap so idk why yall mad. We know he can rap. He just cant claim the top at least right now
@@alexvaldez6924that nigga Cole soft. Stop pretending.
@@alexvaldez6924ya boy corny and he soft. Cope.
👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
Such a vibe, great atmosphere in this vid!
Not the JBP with bots in the comments…
Cole is on a higher vibration he doesn’t need negativity to thrive 💯
Will always have love for Cole. He is a grown man with a family and businesses. This beef thing wasn't got him. I support his stance.
People just like seing violence it's stupid. Even more for them to talk about it like this on a Podcast is sad. We could be doing more with this time but like Cole said, if it's for the bag,then do you.
I don't get niggas that judge Cole though.
Y’all get on my nerves with these brain dead takes. Even before Cole dropped 7- minute drill there was never any personal beef between him and Kendrick. He saw the route drake and Kendrick’s beef was going and didn’t wanna get involved in it cause he doesn’t have real life issues with them.
Is a boxer or ufc fighter soft if they decide not to hop in a bar fight? 😂
Ding ding ding!!!
But what if you punch someone then apologize and say I love you after. Cole is one of my favorite rappers but cmon smh
@@Optimism2K question, when Cole dropped 7 minute drill did you think the intention was for real beef or issues to be the result? One of the song’s biggest criticisms was that Cole didn’t do much dissing on the song because none of the shots were personal😂. Also, if that song was such a huge shot at Kendrick and was supposed to be seen as fuel for a real beef between the two, does that make Kendrick weak for not really dropping a response diss even though Cole encouraged him to do it?
Genuinely I don’t get how you could look at what actually took place place between Kendrick and Drake and then blame Cole for not wanting to get involved with that once he saw the direction it was going 😂.
Also if you do listen to Cole, then you hear all the props and respect he gives to “the big 3” 😂 and you also heard him pretty consistently say he’s not interested in faking beef to sell a product or gain clout. It’s fine to say you’re disappointed that Cole and Kendrick didn’t go back and forth with eachother in competition. To act like Cole instigated a beef and then backed out cause he got checked or something is just the ignorant take mfs are trying to push constantly at this point
What does "Ish" mean by how many rappers are on Cole level...I feel he subtly threw shade at "We know who," and I love the response Young gave..."what u meeeaaan???" And yes, I agree with Joe on the sec verse.
That shit he did with Benny the Butcher was 🔥🔥🔥
Cole backed out the beef in April. Why is he circling back 6 months later to try and rewrite history. He could have left this topic alone!
He dissed Kendrick. If beef was truly beneath him he would never engage in the first place.
Right! 😂😂😂😂😂
It doesn't seem like he's trying to rewrite history,he's just speaking his peace on it because his role in the beef is still being talked about. Plus tbf Kendrick dissed him first when Cole was only showing love to him on First Person Shooter
@quandrealion "Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast and I'm 'bout to clear up my plate..." Steppers, as in Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers (by Kendrick). That's a shot, not love. Open your ears.
@@paulanicolethomason7252steppers as in everyone is shooters. Steppers is slang for shooters.
@@Demsky83 Here u go. I can't do this with y'all lol.
Idk bout yall but I had to run this bk and read lips to make sure the right person said nixxa😂
Nobody is asking why Kendrick didn't diss cole or go hard on him in all the tracks he did after Cole dropped 7 minutes drill .....
It goes without saying: he didn’t need to. Cole apologized, so why attack him? He conceded defeat before he got punched back.
Because Cole copped a plea and apologized 2 days after dropping it? Why diss someone waving a white flag? Which is kind of a snake move from Cole because he went off and took a shot and then apologized before Kendrick could respond, assuming he wouldn't if he apologized for it.
@@illexpreshun and he didn’t. Kendrick left it alone. He even rapped that he felt like Drake put Cole up to do that.
@@lvduffelsno he didn't, what verse did he say that? And if your talking about the "You Did Cole Foul" line in NLU you misinterpreting.
I don't think Kendrick ever really had a problem with Cole...the Like That verse doesn't say much about Cole, it's mostly for Drake...I think after 7MD dropped Kendrick would have responded but Cole apologized on stage in front of everybody and deleted the song so Kendrick decided to focus on the 1 remaining opponent...just my opinion
J Cole is rap Jesus the whole world is turning on him but he staying true to his message that he here to send
Dude in sweat suit has a horrible argument. He's literally done songs with Ab Soul, Daylyt, and Drake this year.
Also with Tee Grizzley. J. Cole has a sick 3 year feature run, despite his passive aggressiveness to Kendrick Lamar.
it was supposed to be a exhibition, it turned into more because of drake. j cole started the exhibition and despite the real shit kendrick lamar brought up in the beef that extends beyond the game, j cole still calls drake a friend and a music collaborator. j cole bails out of the car that he was steering, then wants to meet up with drake at the crash site like "lets make some money 😁 friend 😁" then looks down his nose at kendrick lamar for being a military tank that crushed the car, like: "little old me, when i ride on my opps, i ride a bike"
Of course he be mad at Cole's 2nd verse . It disses media outlets like the JBP lol
Bottom line is Cole made a half baked decision to throw a bunch and decided to not deal with the consequences and apologize after. When he has been someone to spit verses talking about he will kill any rapper in the game for years and decide to run away is going to stain his legacy. I don’t give a damn about his morals because as a rapper you should deal with the consequences of his actions after throwing that punch even if he didn’t want to do it. He still did it 🤦🏽♂️. It would of been more honorable if he dealt with it and friendly faded Kendrick and still expressing he didn’t want to diss through his disses if that makes sense
Still can't get over how awesome this turned out!
J Cole can lie and say Kendrick and him are friends all he wants we know they are not. Don’t hangout, don’t communicate, don’t collaborate often only once? Coward Cole strikes again
Kendrick is a student of the game. He never considered any of them niggas his friends. If they wasn’t signed with Top Dawg, they wasn’t getting any attention from Boogeyman.
You know they don’t hang out or communicate? You in their group chat or something? You don’t know these people bruh.
Dude Cole a college kids who raps about the trenches like he been though that & y’all went for it 😂😂😂
@@gloryroad7452 forreal. He got all these other niggas fooled. He already said “when shots get to blasting, I turn into a track star” 🏃🏿♂️ 💨🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@Dkvizu do better j Cole and Kendrick themselves will say they don’t communicate or hangout. The term “friend” is hilarious they are not friends. We both know anytime they hangout someone would take a picture so quit with the foolishness
He can out rap all of them he just has respect
He picks and chooses the most obvious artists to Collab with. That aren't lyrically on his level.
Why not do a couple features with Wayne it's only 450k. A couple with Eminem, Royce, Why not 2010 Big Sean, Dave East maybe, why not do a couple with Joyner, before 2014 Logic or NF, he smoked with Mac miller hmm. Cole picks and chooses those below him. Rarely does he feature or Collab with someone on his level or above.
That's like a Legendary rank in call of duty mobile only playing in unranked lobbies after gaining legendary status. You just like getting stats on folks who aren't good.
@@andrewswing9917Hes rapped with Royce on boblo boat, Rapsody on sojourner, Push and Sean in the mixtape era on Looking for Trouble Trae the Truth on Children of Men, Benny the Butcher on JP Caddy, Drake several times, Wayne on green ranger, Daylyt and Ab soul on Pi and Collard greens, Wale on My Boy, JID on stick and Off Deez, Camron on They Ready, Jeezy and Kendrick on American Dream, Earthgang on water boyz and the dreamville ep, Lute on the EP, KRIT on Prove It, Smino on 90 proof and to top it all off hes never rapped with Mac Miller RIP hes they just produced for each other
Was Kendrick rapping on American Dream?@@johnlennon3107
😂 “he has respect” yall pick and choose man…
I agree with Joe nobody wanna hear jcole opinion about a battle be opted out of
J fold have a track record we can go by now!! Going back from hating in soundtrack rappers. They way he handled kanye. The soulja boy shit. Not Kenny & drake. Niggas really be getting away with fuck shit because they got bars. P.s I love the song but facts is facts
Don’t forget NoName & Wale
💯 . But J fold I gotta use that one 😂😂
Who is on J cole level that he wants to see him rap with? He did one with drake, Daylyt, joyner.
Daylyt feat isnt being on a track with someone being challenged? Cmon son
they dont actually listen to cole which i wish they'd just say tbh instead of spinning narratives
Cole damn near single handedly created this big 3 conversation. You never hear Drake or Kendrick mentioning it, but Cole repeatedly rapped about it. He went from “they threw the bronze at me” to “I feel like I’m Mohamed Ali”. At the beginning he seemed to be just happy to be mentioned with the other 2 and at some point he wanted to challenge them for the crown. He can rap as well as anyone but he doesn’t have enough crossover hits. His decision making in the last few months didn’t help.
Let Cole live jeez lmao it's very easy to be critical when you aren't living another person's life. Are you this critical and cautious about your decisions?
@@brebanks6241 I don’t think I’m being critical at all, just stating what I’ve observed. It may seem like everyone is piling up on him at the moment but I believe everything I stated is factual. This is what comes with being in the limelight. He’ll be okay.
He’s never felt like he was 3rd himself.
“The best nigga breathing, it just failed to hit you. You couldn’t tell cause you fell for the bells and whistles”
The guy in green fit...you asleep 😂😂
"The hardest thing to be is yourself, especially when everyone is watching." We get lost, tricked out of our position, get caught up in 💩, or we do things we later regret. He's just able to admit it.
All you Clowns talking bout soft are the problem....JB is a Buster....Prove me wrong. I'll wait
J. Cole always rapping about rapping instead of just rapping lol
Honestly he could've stayed out of it. Or thrown a friendly jab and just kept it pushing. Now he has to backpedal and backtrack. If you claim you are the best and want to turn this whole thing into a competition, then you can't just back out after jumping in like that. It makes you look weak. He went on this feature run exalting himself as the best rapper alive, but when it was time to go against the best rappers he jumped in and then backed out. Should've let it stay between them. Nobody was looking for a cole response because we all knew how much K dot HATES Drake
Anyone know what brand of sunglasses Joe is wearing???
We love you Joe 💯
Never thought I'd see the day where someone would lose points because they rap too good.
I like the song.
So people wanted cole to be fake like all the others and kick drakes back in but I respect he stood on business
How are they fake tho? Ppl can dislike other ppl and be genuine about it lol. Nobody even expected this song we was just waiting for The Fall Off.
Grippy was not a tough feature from Cole. They ride Cole so hard I don’t get it
I don’t understand people’s issue with Cole. He’s cool with Drake and Kendrick. Kendrick is calling Drake a pedophile, and a dead beat father, while Drake is calling Kendrick a woman beater and his wife is getting smashed. How does Cole fit in that if he’s cool with both of them. He could have the best diss lyrically out of all of them but he doesn’t match their disrespect he doesn’t have a shot. So people want Cole to go that route just to win a battle? lol Makes no sense.
Dude in green waffling 😂😂
Cole is in his bag, he's great and I love the fact that he bowed out and came out that battle unscathed!🎆
He came out looking the weakest
He’s rapping but what is he really saying? He’s always talking gun talk and bravado rap, but he’s barely saying anything with substance anymore. Theres moments yeah, but the depth is lacking for me. Part of great writing isn’t always about the words you use, it’s how you put words together that impact and affect people in a certain way. J Cole got caught up in proving that he can rap after people kept saying he was sleepy etc, and now he’s lost a part of him that made him who he was in the beginning.
"absurd times where the fake is toted as wise" true
Featured with Drake twice and Benny the Butcher within the last couple years but he not rapping with nobody on his level?
Song is dope and he spitting until he brings up the issues and how his pen is fire and he is a gun. Like bruh stop. Just say you are a dope spitter. But talking peace and bringing up beef in the same song is talking out two sides of your neck with soft subs too
Drama queens mad Cole didn’t get into the drama 😂😂😂
Cole a real one for that.
As much as I appreciate the failed New York rapper turned Podcaster named Joseph he needs to respectfully keep Coles name out his mouth. Aint nothing soft about a guy like Cole
Joe Budden is just a hater
They keep talking bout him rapping on a looped dead presidents beat like that something special. J.Cole has a whole song where he's rapping on the actual dead presidents beat on his The Warm Up Mixtape. And he murdered that whole song, its called Dead Presidents II , it's no surprise that j.cole murdered the port Antonio song
This is what's wrong with brothers period, Cole is on another level that none of them can do on that show.
Parks really a producer man I respect it but that’s the least of the problems to be discussed 😭😭😭😭
Yeah I been on Cole side this whole time but coming out with this attitude and these particular words changes my mind ..it’s not a good look
The sample was Cleo sol
Everyone overlooking the Ceol Sol loop, "know you are loved" the live version.
I'm probably the only one that hated that flip.
@@djturner-smith6380 true, Cleo is great i think it's fits the message Cole is trying send.
He's not battling because he's "mature"
He does features with weaker rappers to "challenge himself"
It takes a grown man to "walk away"
He's putting "friendship first" but that "friend" is the one who dissed him in the first place
ANYMORE EXCUSES FOR THIS BOY?
Benny, JID, Daylyt, and ab soul are weak rappers? Did you even listen to the song or are you choosing to be ignorant?
@alexvaldez6924 Did YOU even watch the video? Lol. Those features were not discussed. You so anxious to jump on Cole's balls you got ahead of yourself. Real emcees don't back down and damn sure don't apologize. It has ALWAYS been that way. Only brand new softeeboyz have a problem with this. And before you even start, THEY ARE NOT FRIENDS. K Dot dissed him first you Stanley.
@alexvaldez6924 he choosing violence by calling a grown black man a boy!
Thank you they cape for j Cole soooo much
THANK YOU!! That SAME friend is the one who dissed him 🤣 but you wanna save the relationship and blame the culture for gassing you up for the beef?? Corny.
J Cole = J Mole
Cole doesn't want to be part of the beef because it's becoming personal it's not just fun and games anymore on some hip-hop stuff.
For the people who think Cole and Kendrick could've had a calm rap battle. Can I ask how when the whole jumping off point was kendrick thinking cole clicked up with the guy who he does have 10 yr beef with? How does that not get personal if they look like they run together? I dont even think cole gets a stray on any record if hes not on fps cuz hes already mentioned kendrick and drake together and said hes the best before on Heavens EP in 2021 with no issues, he just wasnt on a song and tour with drake.
Even though I know it pains me but I do agree with joes sentiment about the big 3 debate if we go back to heavens E.P Cole explains how he felt he was handed the bronze behind drake and Kendrick so it’s very obvious that Cole in some regard was bothered by how he perceived his position in that conversation, Cole had the opportunity to prove why he’s worthy for number one which I really do think he is worthy but he chose not to for understandable reasoning but I don’t think Cole was okay with just being regarded as anything other than 1
Nah man, I disagree with this take. Cole was not soft hip hop at all on this track. I feel like @jcole delivered first and second verse