Intel i9-12900K Review - Alder Lake on Windows 10 vs Windows 11
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- The Intel i9-12900K review is here and we decided to do something different when talking about Alder Lake performance. We did all our 12900K benchmarks on BOTH Windows 10 vs Windows 11 to see which platform is best. And BOY were there some problems when it comes to Alder Lake vs Zen 4. Particularly with the 12900K vs 5900X vs 5950X comparison in Windows 10.
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0:00 - Alder Lake i9-12900K Review Intro
2:04 - i9-12900K Specs, Cores & Pricing
3:01 - Test System & Setup
4:07 - The i9-12900K is HUNGRY
5:55 - GAMING Power Consumption & Heat
6:41 - Windows 11 Built for Alder Lake?
7:34 - Windows 10 PROBLEMS for the i9-12900K
8:40 - Did Microsoft Just SCREW Intel?
9:39 - Real World Performance Benchmarks
11:57 - Gaming Benchmarks (Win 10 vs Win 11)
14:51 - i9-12900K is AMAZING...With Problems
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Nailed the ending!
On a side note, with all of this Windows 10 vs Windows 11, and DDR4 vs DDR5 stuff that is going on, I am really looking forward to the competition between AMD and Intel picking up again. I haven't been this excited about the computer world in a few years now (roughly the past 10 years). Thanks for the video over here on Hardware Canucks, Snows!
Thanks!
Agreed! Just a shame the GPU market is a joke at the moment
Exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks guys!
Thank you . One of the best new reviews of INtel 12th gen . Well done
Great review. One of the only reviewers to do real-world air cooled benchmarks. Thank you! Subscribed!
Won't be upgrading to Windows 11 for at least 3 years
*1yr
I still don't recommend windows 11. I got an i9 12900k 32gb DDR5 ram. And rtx 4080. Windows 11 is extremely buggy. BSOD buggy. I'm downgrading to Windows 10.
Great review. Thank you! 🍻
Answering the questions everyone's thinking!
Did they test siege with DX11 or Vulkan API?
Great review!
You guys are the best, hands down. Stay great!
thanks for the comprehensive review
Nice review, it was a fun watching that. BTW, nice graphics with the diagrams ;=)
Thanks man!
Awesome video. The big killer is the DDR5 memory for early adopters here in the UK you are looking double the price of 3600 CL16 DDR4... At the moment.
Best review on alder Lake I've seen. Great job!
I don't know why anyone would upgrade so soon after the release of Windows 11 just wait at least 3 months for the kinks to get worked out It's not like Windows 10 is magically going to stop being a good and stable operating system.
at least 3 months?? you mean at least 1 year...
I've been on Windows 11 since the iso got leaked and haven't had any problems.
But if noone upgrades most of the kinks will still be there no matter how long you wait.
Well that's the thing isn't it? A lot of prosumers might be in a bit of a pickle if they upgrade their system with Alder Lake and then smash into one of those non-optimized Windows 10 scenarios.
@@samson_the_great Enjoy those bad fps. For my money will stick with Windows 10. Just no reason to upgrade, its just the shell to run my software and games, as long as windows 10 can do that and is more performant i'm sticking with it!
thumbs up! Very good video!
Great videos guys. Lots of information. But the old rule still works for me... "Don't get the latest and greatest just because it is, let the bugs get worked out first, before buying anything."
This first release is way too power hungry for a "hybrid" design.
It's pretty safe now. Still bugs obviously but nothing too serious now.
thanks for sharing
Nice graphics, love it!
They took FOREVER but we're happy with them.
This is the most comprehensive review I have watched so far! Well done 👏🏻
I wonder how the P/E cores are used in a single PC game streaming scenario (x264 to Twitch via OBS). Will the scheduler utilize the E cores for rendering and leave the P cores for gaming.. or vice versa? Or will they both use the P cores?
I use process lasso to tell all of my performance cores to run for my games. I have my efficiency cores set to obs. On my 12900k it works great.
Also, there's a hidden setting that you have to enable through a registry edit for your processors performance and efficiency cores.
You would have to Google it but that option you can use instead of using process lasso.
Once you enable the setting in the advanced menu for your power plan you can set prefer performance cores, you can set prefer efficiency cores and you can set it to just use either or.
I was playing with the power plan instead of having to restart my computer and disable the efficiency cores.
If you enable the setting in the power menu and set it to prefer the performance cores you're good to go for 99% of scenarios because it will just use your strong cores and when it needs extra it'll start going into the efficiency.
I like using process lasso because I can do all of my stuff for obs with the efficiency cores separate from my performance cores that are running my game.
The best Intel 12th gen review. Good job
Best video so far
So basically: it's good but not worth an upgrade
Thought about upgrading from i5 2500 but i guess no
@@DeadpoolPlayz if you’re still on a i5 2500 then you’re missing out. I went from that to a i7 7700k and it was a very noticeable performance boost.
@@gonzo3436 i know it was a joke. Just to show that its worth it to upgrade for some people
Stickin wit 4790k
@@DeadpoolPlayz me with ryzen 5 and gtx 1050- 😭
Thank you for actually taking the time to do the testing on both relevant operating systems instead of crying about how much work it would be to run that many benchmarks... (*cough* linus *cough*)
Please test this on arch and run qemu. Curious if you could reserve the power saving cores to Linux and then pin the performance cores for windows 11 under a kvm. Prob not gonna happen but thanks for the video!
Quite a comprehensive review of the new Intel Alder Lake CPU's performance on Windows 10 and 11. I will not be upgrading my systems to Windows 11 until SP1 /Feature Update 2022 has been released, the released version of Windows 11 is not ready.
Still waiting on real pricing for DDR5 but early price leaks make ddr5 a non-starter in terms of performance to value by a significant amount. Early Pricing I've seen has been from 2x price to 8x price of comparable ddr4. I didn't see any breakdown on the ram differences with performance and had hoped to see that.
so 12th gen should see some moderate performance gains when some kinks are worked out on windows 11?
Has the 12900K / KS situation improved on Windows 10, 9 months later?
Best review since you did Win10 and Win11.
Interesting video
I have nzxt kraken z52 aio .
For all core load tasks , is it enough for cooling this i9 ?
Wie siehts denn mit der Creator/Produktive Leistung aus?
id be interested to see how linux updates its scheduler for alder lake
"This chip is at the mercy of an OS from a company that couldn't be bothered to complete it and iron out the flaws before releasing it." _Nailed_ my feelings about W11.
Great video, Canucks! Most TechTubers are focusing on Windows 11, but with so many people staying on 10, we need numbers from both. And I think these results will help many people make a decision on that front. Cheers.
Thanks man! :)
I work heavily with 3D CAM modeling softwares. These are very CPU intensive tasks. I run 3 programs at the same time running simulations and rendering. There is a big difference in real world application between windows 11 and windows 10. On windows 10 it runs slower and for some stupid reason when I run my CAM application, it utilizes the ECores 1st. So I got a program that makes my CAM software priority and then I see windows 10 utilizing the PCores 1st. Strange. Also, when its at full load, the PCores will be at full load but the Ecores aren't being utilized.. it just sits there. Its like Windows 10 has no idea what to do with the cores. Even then, it will freeze for like 5secs at a time every couple hours or so, like complete freeze. My 12 core AMD 3900x Ryzen never froze like that.
Anyways I got fed up and did a clean install of Windows 11. Instantly it was running faster. Felt snappier. And no need to set Priorities with a separate software, windows 11 automatically knows to set my CAM application to Pcores. Also at full load it finally utilizes both Pcores and Ecores. No more freezes.
if you plan on getting 12th gen and running CPU intensive tasks, get Win 11
Anyone who haves a 12900k I would suggest doing the washer mod to the motherboard socket basically take a 1mm washer (nylon) put the washer on the 4 socket screws it relieves some of the clamping pressure on the IHS that causes it to bow once the washer mod is done the IHS is flat and drops temps by 10° or more because the cooler can now contact more of the IHS
thank you for the grafik at 5:40 i want to buy a new workstation with 5900x so noctua nh-d15 or noctua nh-u12a thats perfekt for me but why the temps for 5950x is lower?
How about a video of running background tasks while gaming on the same CPUs? Streaming, Discord, youtube/video playback, all that sort of fun. Go off queen.
did intel and microsoft not say there would be no scheduler support for the alder lake cpus on windows 10?? ive also heard many times that M11 was going to be a prerequisite
This reminds me of ryzen 1000 launch.... meaning alder lake's successors could be amazing. Only time will tell
If you encode a video or compile some code in the background then switch to something like photo editing, the P cores go to the photo editing and encoding or compilation will go to the efficiency cores. You have to change settings to make sure it does not slow down background tasks. Sucky.
A bigger question for me is how binned are the 5950x that you guys have been reviews on. I've been wondering that for a while now and compared it with a friends PC.
Neither of us can get 26K Multi or 1600+ Single CB R23 even with manually using manual tuning for the curve optimiser, no PBO.
My config:
MB ASUS Dark Hero (latest BIOS - 3801)
32GB RAM GSkill @3200 CL 14
NZXT X62 Kraken
Phanteks Evolv X
Windows 10 (patched and updated) or Windows 11 (also patched and updated)
I've been getting - 1569 Single, 25300-ish Multi
I've constantly seen higher scores for the 5950x on various review sites which makes me wonder how consistent they are in the current landscape with the production issues.
I'm just asking since I've tested 2 of these CPUs myself (returned one of them after I thought the scores were a bit too low). My friend with an ITX case has similar results.
According to the Cinebench R23 database, the average stock score for the 5950X is ~26K. What do you mean by "binned"? Ours is a retail sample, not provided by AMD.
Hi, I just build the win10 with 12900k, it is okey only for gaming? thank you
10900k is the same performance as windows 10 and 11 because VBS is off by default. With the 12900k Windows 11 VBS is on by default. The latest AMD CPU's are the same. The only issues I have had with Windows 11 were fixed with driver updates.
How would Intel perform at similar power consumption to the ryzen 9's
AMD chipset drivers from last week or this week? There's more Win11 performance updates in the newer ones from a couple of days ago.
AMD Chipset Drivers
Revision Number 3.10.08.506
Release Date 10/21/2021
...?
We addressed this. We were using the absolute latest chipset drivers and Windows updates.
I have an i7 right now, if I put an i9 in my MB will MS invalidate my key?
space heater mode ! stock or overclocked ¿? jajajaja awesome info thanks.
has windows 11 become more optimized since this video came out?
Basically if a person is going to go with Alder Lake I can see justifying also going W11, otherwise stay on W10 for now.
I am sure both Intel and Microsoft will be optimizing the W11 experience over the next few months making the OS better and more consistent performance wise.
Whether they will worry too much about optimizing W10 for Alder Lake I would not be so confident as they want the consumers to make the switch to W11.
Coming from a 8086K to a 12900K, playing Halo Infinite has been SUBSTANTIALLY less smooth. I'm curious to what the issue is.
Ryzen 4D has it's own Thread Director as well!!!
Didn't Intel guideline told you guys to bench on Win11 ?? It's brave of you of doing this .. salute.
At about 13:50. When you add win 10 numbers, you changed order of the cpus... this is super confusing
Hey guys. How about a top 5 Un-LEDded keyboards?
“And it’s coming fast. That’s what I love.” Hehe
"You can click here to see this video, over here to see that other video, and here to subscribe"
Me, having end cards disabled: ._.
Great CPU, terrible ecosystem 👍🏽 hopefully AMD answers with price cuts for the R5 and R7 cos the new i5s and i7s look good.
I feel like watching "Boot Sequence" video because that Man. And I really don't know if HC and Boot Sequence are Friends
My question is, have you left behind the Boot sequence?
I'm right here 😂😂
Won't be upgrading to windows 11 for the next 1.5 yrs approx. with my 5600x.
Can the E cores be turned off in Windows 10 and does that improve performance?
I think you can in the bios
Learned a brand new new term brandnew newnewnewnewness @15:13
Looking at the gaming benchmarks, that is more of a game developer issue, not an issue with any of the chips, the fact that the performance gaps are varying across those games says it all.
Is alterlake a m1max killer?
Finally after so much leaks lol
this cpu good for games ? thanks
Impressive performance... But sad to see not even the 12600k can be air cooled in itx cases...
has a 750 watt psu and an rtx 3080 will it be able to go with an i7 12 700k.or dos it takes too much power. someone who can help with an answer
I would say that's the bare minimum, since at full load you'll be pushing 600 watts (probably about 500 under gaming).
'Though I am missing one benchmark result for Intel's Core i9 12900K: Assassin's Creed: Valhalla. The reason being it doesn't work on Alder Lake, or at least our system and probably a fair few more. As Intel told me, "We are aware of an issue with Assassin’s Creed: Valhalla, and we are working with the game publisher on a fix." Though this does play into the slightly wobbly aspect of Alder Lake at launch.
>Intel said it was yet to remedy an issue with Denuvo on Alder Lake for 32 games, which was causing issues playing these games on the platform, but the remainder of the library was good to go.'
Okay, I’ve been researching for so long. Can someone just tell me.
Should I get windows 10 or windows 11 for 12600k (alder lake)
What are the pro and cons?
Windows 11.
@@sparhawk1228 oh I already got windows 11 like 3 months ago
@@val_kyo was it worth it? Hows it holding up for ya?
It will be very interesting to see how the new 12900k stacks up against the AMD V-cache chips releasing in a couple weeks. One thing is sure...the processor wars will only benefit us all regardless of brand.
AMD will probably cut prices first.
How's the laptop chips gonna be like? All I'm asking for is great M1 like efficiency now that it's big.little.
Laptops are where Alder Lake will really shine.
Value if you only consider the CPU, but with RAM and mobo included, not so much
How's this thing work on linux?
I wanted to see unboxing of 12th Gen Intel CPU & Stock Cooler but...
No way I am going to get that power guzzler.
May I suggest. To make this type of review useful to more gamers to include battle royale games with full or close to full lobbies? Warzone is top on the list, Battlefield 2042 or even V is a good one. Don’t use bots. Run it on live games. I’m not sure how you would design a benchmark like that but I believe that is something really useful. Battle Royale are different they will paint the real picture in performance. Not only that, these are games that millions of people play. Please consider. Thanks!
This feels like the Pentium 4 vs Athlon XP all over again :) Should've at least done some added testing with PBO2 and intel's boosts enabled..
Yeah Ive been getting Prescott vibes. Performance and TDP rising together.
Hi dear friend
I do not have access to this processor
Thank you for your kindness and testing its hash rate in Monroe Mining.
You didn't mention if you disabled VBS or not on Win 11. If VBS is enabled then that explains the performance degradation on Win 11 vs 10
disabled. Sorry for not mentioning it.
For professional work flows, wish you could flood in the new apple silicon bench marks as well.
so better 12900 for only gaming?
if you are planning on getting i9 12900k, you're probably planning on getting an water cooler too.
Weird, I am seeing performance boosts in other reviews from Windows 11.
Good presentation. Alderlake may be Intel's best move in 10 years, but your work shows it's still beat by AMD in a few comparisons, so Intel has caught up and is back in front, but not by too much. It's clearly an expensive platform, still a work in process (in my opinion, if you include Window's scheduler as a part of that), and the POWER they are using concerns me. - AMD does a little less performance w/ so much less power. A couple months of software updates and Alderlake will shine more. But in several months AMD may have new CPU's coming out to steal some of that market, and who knows if they will play hardball w/ the prices to gain old Intel customers.
Cards? I don't see any cards on the table or in stores for the matter.
My bud!
Crazy that the 12600KF is cheaper than the 5600X and outperforms it. Hopefully the 5600X tanks in price to compete.
Not really...these new Intel cpus consume a retarded amount of power. Getting a premium 590 MB is a must...and that board, better cooler will probably set you back 900 bucks...but gaming dosen't run that hot on this platform....if your right on the edge with watts for your psu....that's another cost...RUclips influencers say to get a power supply 20 percent above your current needs...if anyone followed that advice, its another added expense.
Most likely, price cut always be a part of AMD's strategy.
@@bltzcstrnx I guess...price cuts only take it so far...a price cut implementation means your willing to leave performance on the table. So far theres no benchmarks running games above 1080p. Alder lake exists because MS is sucking off the defense budget to thwart cyber attacks. I guess instead of building a quantum internet (like China has) to store your government ss data on....I guess we all have to make sacrifices here.
@@ksks6802 AMD's and Intel's cadence are not synced. So one of them need to do something when the competitor releases product midway. The fastest thing they can do is price cuts.
@@bltzcstrnx ya, I know. That's why I said it can only go so far. If a price cut entices a buyer, they were never gonna buy the higher specd cpu in the first place. I'm cpu bound in msfs2020. But i hate win11.....choices, choices...oh indent have any until amd releases zen4
Did they use ddr4 on intel? I didn't see it
We did not.
No tests for 12700K?
Did you see which OS does he had in the background? if yes then that's the Winner
Ryzen 5 3600 user here. It's time for me to buy not overcharged CPU from Company A. They need to cut the prce now.
Hardware Unboxed had a lot less performance differences between Windows 10 and 11, but I think he tested win10 with ddr4.
that's very possible, I wonder if they would clarify that
He did this with Ryzen. Windows ,11 is optimized for big little as ARM has been doing this for years
No idea. Different tests, conditions, etc. We report what we see, that's it. :)
It also looks like microsoft and intel is having some secret deal to increase performance on the intel side. I would like to see some linux benchmarks aswell.
How so? The scheduler updates in Windows 11 are there to support hybrid architectures, of which there are MANY more coming down the pipeline. This also makes it easier to support ARM devices in the future.
Ah, yes the "secret deal" that gives worse performance most of the time compared to W10, genius take lmao
@@neon200 lmao
@@HardwareCanucks I don't think there's some conspiracy, but it's hard not to notice some basic things.
Consider Zen/Zen+ with more than two dies. Windows, whether desktop or server, _still_ doesn't know how to properly schedule such chips. If you have a Threadripper 2000WX chip or any Naples EPYC chip, Windows - any version - simply does not work properly.
They pulled out all the stops, however, to make Alder Lake function better. It's not hard to see how someone could get suspicious about that.
Of course, some of that conspiratorial thinking falls apart when you consider that Windows 11 _still_ doesn't properly handle Alder Lake. Forget all the benchmarks you ran. You have to _disable_ all the "efficiency" cores (can't bring myself to unquote that until I see some reliable power figures for just those cores) to enable AVX-512 support. That was supposed to be a _solved problem_ by the time Alder Lake was released. Instead, we find that Intel and Microsoft combined were _unable_ to figure out how to deal with threads having different instruction set requirements. So now the performance cores and "efficiency" cores are brought down to the lowest common denominator.
I don't think AVX-512 is particularly important, mind you. On the desktop, I think it's almost entirely _unimportant,_ but the overall problem is the same - Windows cannot handle threads with different instruction set requirements. So unless/until that is fixed, you cannot have "big/little" cores without instruction set parity.
from what Linus tested it seems that 12900K behaves the same with or without MCE? in that case would it be wise to just test the Ryzens with PBO? people gonna use the MCE/PBO either way.
Also, lol at those complaining about 1080p testing, oh you sweet summer child...
There was an early bug in some BIOSes that caused MCE = Intel Defaults or even SLOWER than Intel defaults.
I’m sorry guys but the difference in fairness and quality between this video and the video I saw on another more well known, extremely large tech channel, isn’t even in the same ballpark. Haven’t even gotten to the halfway point yet, but the way this starts by pointing out the crazy variances in power and heat, along with testing on all platforms, is in my opinion the only ethical way to do this.
We did EXACTLY that before even getting to the benchmarks.
Does that mean that Alder Laker performance is extremely reliant on the operating system? So what if I installed Linux instead, or Hackintosh?
It means Alder Lake is the OS Intel and MS have optimized for Alder Lake, and nothing more. If you hurry you can tell us what happens on Linux, or Hackintosh.
And when Intel and Microsoft dial-in performance enhancements for Alder Lake... the 12900K will bench even faster over the 5950X than it already does.
that heat and power consumption....