Why Diabotical is shit
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2024
- My take on Diabotical, don't take this the wrong way, I only made this video because I care, if I didn't, I wouldn't even bother playing the game and I especially wouldn't have bothered making this video. The essay part of this video essay got deleted and on it had the links to all the clips used :////
Big thanks to hoyt for helping with the video
Clips from:
twitch.tv/messiik
twitch.tv/davjs
twitch.tv/rey_gg
twitch.tv/phaze
twitch.tv/Diabotical
Excellent video, agree with most of these points! More visible players like yourself in the tournies need to speak up like this!
Agree with most points but I would like to add the lack of marketing as one even if its not really in the game like the rest. It randomly gets released outta nowhere instead of having a open beta on the Epic Store. The Epic deal was a chance for 2GD to have the money to actually advertise instead of becoming just another game on Steam, and I thought that this deal was for the better. But it just sorta came out all of a sudden? None of my mates who play so many ganes on Epic haven't heard of Diabotical
The deal was for the better. Epic did give advertising money. Why do you think some of the largest streamers like shroud played diabotical? What people don't get, is the advertising failed because most people just don't want to play this type of game. The playerbase die off was massive after the streamers stopped playing.
Today's update fixes your map problem! They made it incredibly simple to load into a custom map via the custom lobby.
I think diabotical has a great foundation, it just doesn't seem like the developers know what to do with that. Great engine, runs extremely well. Models should go back to robot looking people to avoid the confusion with the flying eggs we have now, and a couple gun changes and boom, then its just introducing good game modes.
I like and agree with what you say, but all of those are expected problems for new games that are in need of testing and rebalancing.
Still it's good to hear opinions from someone who understands about what's currently wrong. Better if we see solutions from the devs.
All i know is when every time i try to find games, no one is playing and it takes like 15 or 20 minutes to finally find a game...and then that room is full of god-tier players which is all there's left now.
Diabotical is a very competitive game....or a little..too competitive for the average gamer.
So it's either you find another mainstream game that actually has players to play with/against or.... sit in a Diabotical lobby...or another AFPS game by yourself.
That's how any hard fps is dude the only way to get average plays to play is to have sugar rush kill feed or have rng machines for noobs to get kills
@@callmeacutekitten3317 I'm actually trying to push for this game at a local e-sports pc center i go to sometimes, maybe get people to try something out of their normal elements. it's also a social experiment that i'm conducting as well. I want to see when people do try this game, how do they react to it and all that stuff.
@@MercenaryOrangeTV Locale? USA? Haven't tried this but I played quake 3/live for way too many years.
@@FancyNoises yea I’m in the US so I’m not sure how big the player base is from other countries
@@MercenaryOrangeTV you're not in the Midwest USA like me, are you?
I'm just curious cuz if you're trying to set up a land maybe I would go :D
As one of the people that put a fair amount of time into QC but didn't have time for Diabotical due to other obligations around the time of release, this is very interesting to hear about and the speculation seems very appropriate. Hopefully the game improves for you in time, there's certainly always potential for a game when the developers take an active role in the game's growth and have put in the effort to build it up from nothing. Much of what kept me in the Quake scene is still in the Quake scene, so I might not ever move over to DBT, but the more competition and the more active, engaging afps games there are, the better.
I did the same, but the problem with QC is soo simple, the whole game suck.
There is soo many things missing from that game, never will be complete at all.
Hope on the next one will get better engine, and a server browser, so players have a chance to play fair games and not fuck their time on 10min searching then enter match quit because of the veterans shit...oh then repeat this cycle atleast 15x times...to get a normal playable game.
The most annoying things in the game are the veteran players, and thats why this genre is dead. The players most of the time just want to having fun on their skill lvl, not tryhard...
Most of today games comes without a server browser, instant kills the game.
I strongly agree with you, especially about the shaft. Little to no knockback at all.
Yup, the only way I got shaft to work was by averaging 50% ish and people with 1/10th my aim were still a threat smoking crack holding W with rl.
The game is dead at least in Europe. I like only the AIM Arena modes but i can't find matches. Even if i wait 20-30 minutes no match is found.
We are back baby
Nobody:
Goon champ:
Gets tilted in amateur league, proceeds to make 16 minute video about why the game is shit
Harsh but true.
In south america servers the game is totally dead. It is so sad because the game is really good and fun. Great video
I think you are on point in the first part of the video, but the mentioned randomness of smoke and explosive wee-balls is kinda missed. In my opinion they add some variety to fights, especially Smoke and Slow field. Healing wee-balls is kinda meh because it increases the problem with Wipeout mode that you mentioned and I agree with it. The other two wee-balls are not that useful but I wouldn't call it random when someone drops you out of map by using them. You have to take that to account that enemy may use these balls against you and your positioning should reflect these concerns. Also killing enemy this way feels rewarding at least to me.
Knockback weebles might work if you knew what weebles people have, the problem is you enter a fight not knowing what the fuck is going to happen because they could throw almost anything at you and change things instantly because they hit one button.
here's hoping season 2 is better
pssst goonie still plays diabotical wipeout and you should too
I agree with all of this. Let's keep up the critique but make sure to the support the game and focus on the good stuff. Every game needs time to improve and work out the kinks. Let's keep offering critique and keep supporting the game.
came here from b4nny
sweet! did he mention it somewhere, like a twitch vod or somethin? i'd really like to hear what he had to say
@@goonchamp7833 he made some posts in #diabotical_chat which i will quote:
b4nny: A player on one of the top teams made this vid, I do agree with many of the points:
b4nny: Title is a bit clickbaity if you can get past that lol
b4nny: I wouldn't be surprised if they make significant changes to the game within the next few months. We shall see
why do people shit on the Pincer in Diaabotical but not the Railgun in Quake3/Champions?
it's not the same thing, he said it's normal to get your pncr to 100 dmg in team modes and the maps are very pncr dominated (hard to not get railed in most of them)
like he gave his reason for shitting on pncr very clearly so there you go
@@brimphemus All 3 games have the same exact rail problem
Fanboyism. LG does need knockback though.
I mostly agree with you but I don't think the pncr/sight lines are that bad. They are bad yes, but cap the max dmg to 90 and get rid of a few sight lines and that's it imho
They could fix wipeout by designing the maps to be smaller and have no cheeky hiding spots. Then players will have to run instead of hide and then you can find interesting stradegies like cutting of enemies or having interesting escape routes. This also nerfs healing weeballs because you dont have any safe hiding spots and you have to hold a position.
What's the point of having healing weeballs if you can't use them? Holding a position is very different from just standing inside of a very small circle, which is required for the healing to happen. Surely there are some annoying hiding spots but I don't think rendering healing weeballs useless would have a good impact on the game.
@@edkhil You can decide to heal in a place that your team is guarding. Maybe you're overthinking what i meant. Healing weeballs wont be useless if you don't have any hiding spots. And even if you think that they're necesarry for the weebals to work, you can still implement 2 or 3 hiding spots in smaller, changed maps without having a bunch of them in every single toom. Other than that, thats just one way changing the maps would affect the gamemode. It would also fix people hiding or camping in stupid spots.
@@igracsimon6980 But what if you're last standing and need to heal? Having fewer spots to hide and heal means no comeback. I think it's a core mechanic of the game. I don't mind hiding spots, as long as they're not too OP. Most of them are just corners, after all
@@edkhil Having fewer spots to hide just means less comebacks and not no comebacks at all. You can also still run and defend yourself. It's not like you're completely defensless. Also i don't think that hiding on a huge map with gazillion hiding spots is not fun for both sides.
@@igracsimon6980 Depends. I like big maps (not huge ones) because games last longer, you can run around, you have more spots to shoot from, more tactics overall. It's just more fun, I think. I don't like when the game is over too soon. I see where you're coming from, I just don't think that's necessary and could be hurtful to the gameplay. Have a nice day
Great video. Really disappointed with yames for this. So many solid features but so many simply retarded things.
Love and blessings!
could you tl;dr
i like dash the way it is
Dope !!!!!!!!!!
The community should have stuck with Quake live (or even OSP). Now people play QC and this and they are both worse games... In this day and age people will never understand these kinds of shooters. We spent years getting mauled by ice-climbers on LAN before we got good ,no one has that patience for a game anymore. Its so fucking sad,there will never be a better fps than quake 3 !
There are still people playing quake live. I'd say live is overall the best iteration for quake, especially for duel (you got way too many spawn frags in quake 3),even though it does have its problems
@@frankjaeger2565 Im just nostalgic ,im an OSP guy :) Live was more than fine. I would still play it if it was free. Feels so weird that i played it so many years for free and now when the scene is dying/dead they charge for it..
Tribes 2.
I also hate PnCr, but also long range weapons in general and especially if they're hitscan. I think aFPS are better off without long range category, because it turns any map with long sightlines into cancer. I get the logic of rewarding good play, but to do that to such extend on a weapon as boring, unsatisfying and easy to use like PnCr is beyond me. I'd rather have weebow as a standard weapon instead of PnCr, but if it's treated/balanced as a mid range weapon instead. They give distance based extra damage reward for weebow, which frankly just rewards luck.
Maybe damage fall off for pncr for super long sightlines? Like 45-50 if it's a large map? I dunno :/
How can pncr be treated as a mid range weapon if it is a long range weapon loool. Long range hitscan always existed in afps since q2
@@diahhane9935 Oh. I didn't know that. Thanks.
@@diahhane9935 Q2 railgun had fire delay though, so it was much harder to land shots in long distance, the balance simply worked better. Also, I was talking about weebow. That weapon shouldn't be treated like a long range weapon. Reflex made the same mistake with Stake launcher and it flopped.
@@GroinMischief true it had delay, but it also did 100 dmgs, so you could take out one unarmored player with just one shot. Not the perfect idea of balance in my opinion. The 5-steps damage pncr instead is a great thing for me.
Rg/pncr (high dmg/long range hitscan weapon) must exist in afps, specially in 1v1, because it allows to deal damage without taking any.
The weebow is too random, not a serious weapon and it cant be used for this purpose in fact is present only in some maps.
My opinion as a quake player (15+ years) The game is kinda dead in EU West. Used to be fun for a while but became super boring and empty. And yeah weapons are unbalanced like hell. Plasma is just too weak, shotgun is pointless just like the machine gun, rockets don't make splash dmg at all nor knockbacks, rail is overpowered and lg or shaft is overpowered only if you've already played quake before so you kinda know how and when to use it. Nades are pretty unpredictable and these wheeballs are pretty damn pointless, especially that pink implosion thing and smoke, but that's just my opinion. There are not many maps, like 3 maps on wipeout in a loop and on other mods maybe even less. Players were fine in the beginning, pretty positive and friendly but now everybody is just so salty and whiny you can barely say anything without getting a rude response which makes the new players give up early. Like everybody needs to be a pro or gtfo. Matchmaking is pretty broken , only benefits you if you have a full team of friends, even then it becomes boring, just win and win and win all day because the enemy team is completely clueless most of the time. Only good thing is the graphics and funny stickers and avatars. Everything else is just utter SHIT. But don't listen to me if you want to try this game for the first time, go ahead , have some fun. I'm just an old salty quake nerd talking shit on the internet hehe. Cheers!
Wait, this thing you did write its true for Quake too. :)
QC is missing on key things, and unbalanced, the worst from the series.
-the game engine is shit
-server browser missing
-most of the time playing versus veterans, whose killing the game 90% percent (you asking why?because the casual players don't want to fuck with tryhard, and thats why need a server browser, to ban these retards. You guys just don't understand what's the thing that today gamers want, and some players just want to chill, and not play to get skill, I mean just casual playing, and when meet with those toxic veterans 7/24, just instant uninstall the game)
When QC started was around 10k players?NOW 1,2k max, the standard number is around 700. So play on your desert.
-sound is shit
-playable characters low
-weapons are broken
SO whats up?
I play QC, and played UT+Quake too since Q2.
stop making up modes and use ones people like. We want a way to train for duel outside of ranked, not too hard.
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Peoples who complain about diabotical deserve to play qc for the rest of their life.
game is already dead dude....cant even find a macguffin game sac pugs?