Such a stupid take these are not “ next gen games “ and when u lower everything texture to low and have no draw distance so ur game looks like a ps2 game and it barely hits 30 on 720p upscaled to 1080p then Yh last gen has “ busted the myth”
@@coffee7180 what I find strange is Xbox One had an AMD Jaguar CPU, which is extremely weak, and somehow nobody ever explained this. Both Xbo and PS4 in fact had near identical AMD CPU GPU.
The Coalition (Gears, Matrix Awaken demo) & Ninja Theory (Hellblade 2) has shown that the Xbox Series consoles have no problem running Unreal Engine 5 games.
The discussion about "generations" of gaming only makes sense in the context of the early generations; in 100 years from now, they wont be referring to current gen hardware as gen 18 or whatever. There will have been a point where diminishing returns begun, and that will be the last "generation" that gets numbered in video game history. I think we may be approaching those diminishing returns as resolution and fps dont have much further to go where people will actually care. After that point, I think we will see more frequent refreshes, kind of like what has happened with phones and where we get new features frequently, but not generation defining differences. My guess is that like ps4 and ps5 are both supported well into ps5 gen, something like ps6-ps9 will all be supported at the same time.
We’re already at the point of diminishing returns on graphics it’s why some games look worse than a game from 2015 prime example being Batman Arkham Knight vs suicide squad kill the justice league
It means that nowadays games are very scalable, a change in a generation now pretty much means visual upgrades, not new gaming possibilities and all the Ponys saying that the series S is holding back this gen now have 0 arguments left.
Well, when you have several high profile games skipping Xbox because of the Series S, that's where people will get that idea. It's the Xbots who can't accept that.
@@dapperfan44 "Several high profile games" meaning baldurs gate, which is available on series s and black myth wookong, which was Sony doing some shady business.
Arkham Knight runs on unreal engine 3, arguably the best version of the engine, it's also talent and you even covered it in a video where the guy says to optimise as you go along and not after, there's a lot of lazy dev work, heavy reliance on this software or that software, AI, there's a lot of cutting corners, some things work and some things don't, I own a playstation 4 it's quite impressive not as impressive as the ps3 just because it happened to have a really good blu ray player that they handed out a free software update to make it read 3D blu rays, sometimes there's going too far with technology and I'd happily go back to the can it run crysis days, I've never bought into the next gen as anything other than I would with my phone saying 23 instead of 22, Idk if they're actually gamers yet there is this unrealistic expectation and it isn't helped with the marketing strategies of what games can be and what they will be, let's not forget ubisoft with watch dogs or the og division that did not go down well, modders came in to fix it though that's probably the only guaranteed certainty at this point.
Ya it's sad the industry as a whole moved away from ue3/ id tech 4 to these washed out over laminated unoptimized games that still look worse than doom 3,quake 4, prey etc despite running at less than 1/50th the performance
The jump between base PS4 and PS5 is barely 60% of the jump from PS3 to PS4. Heck the jump from PS3 to PS5 isn't much bigger than the jump from 2 to 3. Hardware isn't advancing much. Of course these games work on the ps4
I noticed this when I got a PS4, that gaming core mechanics maxed out at PS3, it's all just mechanical refinement and graphical fidelity from there on out. That's why I switched over to VR gaming, brand new Territory in how core mechanics not only play out but are also developed.
That's funny because Dead Space and Callisto both used UE4 and didn't hit 4k 60fps let alone native and both were linner.......the problem is with AMD i think they sold MS and Sony tech that wasn't up to scratch for gen 9 graphics and the reason i think that is because at some point during the first year AMD went into overdrive fast tracking FSR 1 2 & 3 and now every game has to use it no matter what and even with that we are still getting bad results.
@@Krypterium or dev's that were told this is what our console can do they built a game around those spec's but the consoles wouldn't run them because they are what AMD said they were.
I go a little further and say that Sony is telling 3rd party developers to forget about the PS4 in hopes to entice their biggest customers base to make the upgrade to PS5 (or PRO...hurry up GTA6) lmao......i believe EA/Respawn begged Sony to release Jedi Survivor on the PS4 🤷♂🤷♂is that far fetched??...I mean Astro Bot has a better chance to come to PC than PS4....that a damn shame😮💨
you know it's open market place right lmao EA don't have to beg anything Sony wouldn't have the power to deny them unless they were shutting down the store all together.
Thats AAA games can be made for anything in today's tech. The myth of making the same type of games for 20 years but that they have to be on the latest and greatest hardware to run is false. Uprez some 360 games to 4k and you'll see your playing damn near the same games as today.
@@jiggerypokery2962- With the exception of newer rendering pipelines that are changing the way new/upcoming games and since games take 4 to 6 years to produce.... the majority of games are still made like last-gen games.
@@jiggerypokery2962 i disagree. over post-processed, blurred, lacking aliasing and pixelated due to upscaling all represent modern gaming to a tee. emulating RDR1 in 2k with Ryujinx and reshade + the fabled 60+ framerate modern games are allergic to and i have a much crisper experience overall imo. plus art direction/motifs carry older games hard, something new ones lack.
@@NoobyNick0710the graphics in red dead 1 does not look better than Alan Wake 2 play both of them on a 4090 play Alan Wake 1 than Alan Wake 2 play spiderman 1 the movie game vs PS5 marvel spiderman 2 quit the cap resolution and anti aliasing is useless without new game engines.
@@gamingwithJT2007 ??? I never said that they look ‘better’ (though like I said, art direction and preference alone can change that) Dont put words in my mouth. The latter half of your comment there is precisely my point. These things are bare minimum, but modern games don’t apply the techniques well if at all. Performance is another factor you’re glazing over. Fluidity and sharpness is an insane combo and it spoils you so many ‘better’ games that don’t even run well have this blurry washed out look. Not to mention the standard of games like Alan Slop 2 or even Red Dead Reparations 2 I’d rather play the OGs that have soul tyvm.
Yes, it was the same thing with PS3. They can run PS4 games. Last of Us is a PS3 game. PS4 is roughly equivalent to RX 570 or slower. Rx570 can run the UE5 matrix demo. It just doesn't have enough v-ram. PS4 has 8gb shared RAM so that's more than 4!
Good point, makes me wonder about Hellblade 2 and Avowed being 30 frames per second on the world's most powerful console(for now) which are both FIRST PARTY GAMES🤔
Yes 30fps but pushing every bit of tech UE5 has to offer lmao Hellblade literally used the same team who done the faces for the avatar movies Meta Human and Avowed is using all the tech and UE5 5.4. Even Epic Games said UE5 was optimised at 1080p 30fps which mean's if you want to push the engine as hard as possible you would have to use 1080p 30fps. UE5 is demanding asf. And don't worry GTA 6 will be 30fps on all consoles but that will be OK won't it just like GTA 5 running at 15 to 17 fps all the time on PS4 and Xbox one despite it being an upgrade from PD3 and 360.
Just look at Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor for Xbox 360/PS3 They launched it also on Xbox one & PS4. The main difference was that the 360/PS3 didn't have the Nemises feature Sacrafice had to be made but it still came out on both Gen consoles.
Just cos you can play it on a ps4 doesn't mean you want to, I played re4 remake on a ps4 pro and it felt like a comprised experience, even at 60fps. I'm currently playing hogwarts legacy on a ps5, I've looked at the different versions of that out of curiosity, and those are also definitely compromised experiences that would change the game for the worse.
@Stanjara if you're happy, then that's good, although an ssd in a ps4 pro isn't amazing, the ps5 loads in at the same exact speed on ps4 games and you can feel it.
@@johnjohnson7743 I was planning to buy a PS5 PRO, but I'm thinking why. I'm good. Sony another Horizon Zero Dawn remaster... wtf am I'm buying PRO for. I'm so mad. F them.
not all games fall into this catagory , because although it is true they can make all games work on the ps4 but it will be so ugly, we do this all the time with pc games , because on PC the settings are there and you can butcher the game as much as you want to a point, usually and almost always playing on low settings will make the game really ugly, but in some cases you can do costume settings and get away with some high to medium settings and get way with decent looking game.
At this point I’m pretty sure them making new consoles every four of five years six whatever is just a new way for them to scam us… they’re just counting that money G.
yeah, kinda expected as much, like from beginning I saw no reason why the new spiderman game could not have been on the ps4 as well. Specially considering how previous spiderman titles where released for the old and the new console. Yeah, with the old console version having a bit less features or slight graphic downgrade, but not that much of a deal, but with spiderman 2, sorry, after all the games (in general) that came before, I can't see one reason why spiderman 2 could have been ps4 as well, besides of course convince people to buy a ps5 but... hey, I don't buy a super expensive console, that scalpers made it twice as hard to get to, just for one game. Like I'm at the point where I consider becomming a pc gamer.
@@VGFightSchool What's wrong with swapping the entire hardware. Until recently you could get $410 from gamestop for a ps5. You can get $30 for the controller So that is $60 to play video games for 4 years. Even buying and selling is easier. One doesn't just throw away a console because it's old, someone will buy it quick.
Well the problem is that the name "next-gen" is technically true for consoles because PS5 and XBX/S are "next-gen" comparing to PS4 and XB1. But in reality this is "current-gen" if you try to match it to PC gaming, cause in PC gaming things like SSD drives are really nothing new. In my case I actually had SSD drive on my PC back in 2016. When PS5 came out its power could be probably compared to something like RTX 3060 (cause all the ports on Steam require anything from RTX 2060 to RTX 3060) but right now we already have cards like RTX 4090 and 50 series is around the corner. For PC users 30 series is pretty much "old" hardware right now. It's still good cause a lot of games on PC don't require anything better but still, there is nothing "next gen" about them anymore. Not to mention processors. And in many cases consoles can't even get 60 fps stable (including PS5 Pro it seems...) so what are we even talking about?
Modern gaming is a blurry mess with all these AI upscaling BS. Lately, can barely get high frame rates with my 4090 its stupid. I have gone back to older titles and, used reshade mods these old games look nearly as good as some of these modern games just some of the lighting has improved but, I rather have a stable frame rate with damn near perfect frame pacing.
We will see if that's true on GTA VI. Some developers are just laid back, take a look at many PC games at launch. Optimization is getting worse as hardware is improving.
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Such a stupid take these are not “ next gen games “ and when u lower everything texture to low and have no draw distance so ur game looks like a ps2 game and it barely hits 30 on 720p upscaled to 1080p then Yh last gen has “ busted the myth”
The fact that the steam deck can play pretty much anything says it all
💯 FACTS!!!
Steam deck has zen2 cores, 16GiB of ram and fast storage.
CPU is something that can't be changed, a really weak cpu can be a big problem. Battlefield 2042 can't run 128 players on a PS4 it's just impossible.
@@coffee7180 what I find strange is Xbox One had an AMD Jaguar CPU, which is extremely weak, and somehow nobody ever explained this. Both Xbo and PS4 in fact had near identical AMD CPU GPU.
@@themodfather9382 what do you mean?
The Coalition (Gears, Matrix Awaken demo) & Ninja Theory (Hellblade 2) has shown that the Xbox Series consoles have no problem running Unreal Engine 5 games.
The discussion about "generations" of gaming only makes sense in the context of the early generations; in 100 years from now, they wont be referring to current gen hardware as gen 18 or whatever. There will have been a point where diminishing returns begun, and that will be the last "generation" that gets numbered in video game history.
I think we may be approaching those diminishing returns as resolution and fps dont have much further to go where people will actually care. After that point, I think we will see more frequent refreshes, kind of like what has happened with phones and where we get new features frequently, but not generation defining differences. My guess is that like ps4 and ps5 are both supported well into ps5 gen, something like ps6-ps9 will all be supported at the same time.
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Very well put!
We’re already at the point of diminishing returns on graphics it’s why some games look worse than a game from 2015 prime example being Batman Arkham Knight vs suicide squad kill the justice league
Like with most things in life: it's not wether you can do it or not, it's how bad you want it.
It means that nowadays games are very scalable, a change in a generation now pretty much means visual upgrades, not new gaming possibilities and all the Ponys saying that the series S is holding back this gen now have 0 arguments left.
Well, when you have several high profile games skipping Xbox because of the Series S, that's where people will get that idea. It's the Xbots who can't accept that.
@@dapperfan44 "Several high profile games" meaning baldurs gate, which is available on series s and black myth wookong, which was Sony doing some shady business.
Arkham Knight runs on unreal engine 3, arguably the best version of the engine, it's also talent and you even covered it in a video where the guy says to optimise as you go along and not after, there's a lot of lazy dev work, heavy reliance on this software or that software, AI, there's a lot of cutting corners, some things work and some things don't, I own a playstation 4 it's quite impressive not as impressive as the ps3 just because it happened to have a really good blu ray player that they handed out a free software update to make it read 3D blu rays, sometimes there's going too far with technology and I'd happily go back to the can it run crysis days, I've never bought into the next gen as anything other than I would with my phone saying 23 instead of 22, Idk if they're actually gamers yet there is this unrealistic expectation and it isn't helped with the marketing strategies of what games can be and what they will be, let's not forget ubisoft with watch dogs or the og division that did not go down well, modders came in to fix it though that's probably the only guaranteed certainty at this point.
Ya it's sad the industry as a whole moved away from ue3/ id tech 4 to these washed out over laminated unoptimized games that still look worse than doom 3,quake 4, prey etc despite running at less than 1/50th the performance
The jump between base PS4 and PS5 is barely 60% of the jump from PS3 to PS4. Heck the jump from PS3 to PS5 isn't much bigger than the jump from 2 to 3. Hardware isn't advancing much. Of course these games work on the ps4
I noticed this when I got a PS4, that gaming core mechanics maxed out at PS3, it's all just mechanical refinement and graphical fidelity from there on out. That's why I switched over to VR gaming, brand new Territory in how core mechanics not only play out but are also developed.
current consoles would be astonishing if Devs use UE4 only!!! they can easily achieve native 4k60fps
That's funny because Dead Space and Callisto both used UE4 and didn't hit 4k 60fps let alone native and both were linner.......the problem is with AMD i think they sold MS and Sony tech that wasn't up to scratch for gen 9 graphics and the reason i think that is because at some point during the first year AMD went into overdrive fast tracking FSR 1 2 & 3 and now every game has to use it no matter what and even with that we are still getting bad results.
@@gohugyaself3440
also lazy devs
@@Krypterium or dev's that were told this is what our console can do they built a game around those spec's but the consoles wouldn't run them because they are what AMD said they were.
Consoles are always incremental improvements. People were able to use the Xbox one for a long time. That's why I'm gonna stop following the hype
I go a little further and say that Sony is telling 3rd party developers to forget about the PS4 in hopes to entice their biggest customers base to make the upgrade to PS5 (or PRO...hurry up GTA6) lmao......i believe EA/Respawn begged Sony to release Jedi Survivor on the PS4 🤷♂🤷♂is that far fetched??...I mean Astro Bot has a better chance to come to PC than PS4....that a damn shame😮💨
you know it's open market place right lmao EA don't have to beg anything Sony wouldn't have the power to deny them unless they were shutting down the store all together.
i've been saying this since before PS5 came out
Thats AAA games can be made for anything in today's tech. The myth of making the same type of games for 20 years but that they have to be on the latest and greatest hardware to run is false. Uprez some 360 games to 4k and you'll see your playing damn near the same games as today.
Graphical fidelity does way more to make a better image than resolution. Just think Alan Wake 2 in 720p >>>>> Red Dead Redemption 1 in 4K.
@@jiggerypokery2962- With the exception of newer rendering pipelines that are changing the way new/upcoming games and since games take 4 to 6 years to produce.... the majority of games are still made like last-gen games.
@@jiggerypokery2962 i disagree. over post-processed, blurred, lacking aliasing and pixelated due to upscaling all represent modern gaming to a tee. emulating RDR1 in 2k with Ryujinx and reshade + the fabled 60+ framerate modern games are allergic to and i have a much crisper experience overall imo. plus art direction/motifs carry older games hard, something new ones lack.
@@NoobyNick0710the graphics in red dead 1 does not look better than Alan Wake 2 play both of them on a 4090 play Alan Wake 1 than Alan Wake 2 play spiderman 1 the movie game vs PS5 marvel spiderman 2 quit the cap resolution and anti aliasing is useless without new game engines.
@@gamingwithJT2007 ??? I never said that they look ‘better’ (though like I said, art direction and preference alone can change that) Dont put words in my mouth. The latter half of your comment there is precisely my point. These things are bare minimum, but modern games don’t apply the techniques well if at all. Performance is another factor you’re glazing over. Fluidity and sharpness is an insane combo and it spoils you so many ‘better’ games that don’t even run well have this blurry washed out look. Not to mention the standard of games like Alan Slop 2 or even Red Dead Reparations 2 I’d rather play the OGs that have soul tyvm.
Yes, it was the same thing with PS3. They can run PS4 games. Last of Us is a PS3 game. PS4 is roughly equivalent to RX 570 or slower. Rx570 can run the UE5 matrix demo. It just doesn't have enough v-ram. PS4 has 8gb shared RAM so that's more than 4!
I agree with everything you said in this video i have been saying this all along
Good point, makes me wonder about Hellblade 2 and Avowed being 30 frames per second on the world's most powerful console(for now) which are both FIRST PARTY GAMES🤔
Yes 30fps but pushing every bit of tech UE5 has to offer lmao Hellblade literally used the same team who done the faces for the avatar movies Meta Human and Avowed is using all the tech and UE5 5.4. Even Epic Games said UE5 was optimised at 1080p 30fps which mean's if you want to push the engine as hard as possible you would have to use 1080p 30fps. UE5 is demanding asf. And don't worry GTA 6 will be 30fps on all consoles but that will be OK won't it just like GTA 5 running at 15 to 17 fps all the time on PS4 and Xbox one despite it being an upgrade from PD3 and 360.
Just look at Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor for Xbox 360/PS3
They launched it also on Xbox one & PS4.
The main difference was that the 360/PS3 didn't have the Nemises feature
Sacrafice had to be made but it still came out on both Gen consoles.
Also it was choppy as hell more on ps3
@@scarfaceReaper yea it was but still released it anyway
I am thinking about buy a Xbox One because of Kinect, would be funny if most of games will run at it also years later.
Just cos you can play it on a ps4 doesn't mean you want to, I played re4 remake on a ps4 pro and it felt like a comprised experience, even at 60fps. I'm currently playing hogwarts legacy on a ps5, I've looked at the different versions of that out of curiosity, and those are also definitely compromised experiences that would change the game for the worse.
Playing Hogwarts on ps4 pro with SSD and I could not be more happier. Wake me up for PS6
@Stanjara if you're happy, then that's good, although an ssd in a ps4 pro isn't amazing, the ps5 loads in at the same exact speed on ps4 games and you can feel it.
Bro, you act like I did not play a PS4 from 2015 to 2020. Even while I had a gaming PC already in 2016, I was still enjoying it. lol
@VGFightSchool you've either replied to the wrong post, or just completely misunderstood my point
@@johnjohnson7743 I was planning to buy a PS5 PRO, but I'm thinking why. I'm good. Sony another Horizon Zero Dawn remaster... wtf am I'm buying PRO for. I'm so mad. F them.
It means I'll be using my Xbox series x and PS5 pro for a long time. I'm talking until it's equivalent to VCR
not all games fall into this catagory , because although it is true they can make all games work on the ps4 but it will be so ugly, we do this all the time with pc games , because on PC the settings are there and you can butcher the game as much as you want to a point, usually and almost always playing on low settings will make the game really ugly, but in some cases you can do costume settings and get away with some high to medium settings and get way with decent looking game.
If next gen is a myth try running jedi survivor or wu kong and a pc with the same specs of a ps 4
At this point I’m pretty sure them making new consoles every four of five years six whatever is just a new way for them to scam us… they’re just counting that money G.
PlayStation lies again 🤣🤣 thank goodness I didn't buy a PS5. Load times and ray tracing that is the only improvement not worth 500 dollars.
Just install an ssd into the ps4 and see a magic
yeah, kinda expected as much, like from beginning I saw no reason why the new spiderman game could not have been on the ps4 as well. Specially considering how previous spiderman titles where released for the old and the new console. Yeah, with the old console version having a bit less features or slight graphic downgrade, but not that much of a deal, but with spiderman 2, sorry, after all the games (in general) that came before, I can't see one reason why spiderman 2 could have been ps4 as well, besides of course convince people to buy a ps5 but... hey, I don't buy a super expensive console, that scalpers made it twice as hard to get to, just for one game.
Like I'm at the point where I consider becomming a pc gamer.
everything can run on ps4 if you take out that ssd gimmick from those few ps5 games
The 1060 can play everything but people still buy better graphics cards. Wonder why?
Because they can simply swap the graphics card in place of the entire PC?
For the console you gotta swap the entire hardware.
@@VGFightSchool What's wrong with swapping the entire hardware. Until recently you could get $410 from gamestop for a ps5. You can get $30 for the controller So that is $60 to play video games for 4 years. Even buying and selling is easier. One doesn't just throw away a console because it's old, someone will buy it quick.
Ue4 is for ps4 not ps5 ue5 is ps5
Stop lies
I Googled it and it says it was originally built by Massive for The Division
Ok. I would have been raked over the coals. I have an entire channel about The Division 🤣.
Well the problem is that the name "next-gen" is technically true for consoles because PS5 and XBX/S are "next-gen" comparing to PS4 and XB1. But in reality this is "current-gen" if you try to match it to PC gaming, cause in PC gaming things like SSD drives are really nothing new. In my case I actually had SSD drive on my PC back in 2016. When PS5 came out its power could be probably compared to something like RTX 3060 (cause all the ports on Steam require anything from RTX 2060 to RTX 3060) but right now we already have cards like RTX 4090 and 50 series is around the corner. For PC users 30 series is pretty much "old" hardware right now. It's still good cause a lot of games on PC don't require anything better but still, there is nothing "next gen" about them anymore. Not to mention processors. And in many cases consoles can't even get 60 fps stable (including PS5 Pro it seems...) so what are we even talking about?
Modern gaming is a blurry mess with all these AI upscaling BS. Lately, can barely get high frame rates with my 4090 its stupid. I have gone back to older titles and, used reshade mods these old games look nearly as good as some of these modern games just some of the lighting has improved but, I rather have a stable frame rate with damn near perfect frame pacing.
But the xbox Series S is holding this generation Back. lol
We will see if that's true on GTA VI. Some developers are just laid back, take a look at many PC games at launch. Optimization is getting worse as hardware is improving.
@@josevinicius_prof i love DLSS and FSR but the devs are abusing it and making it part of their optimization process.