Tiger 800 - Valve Clearance check
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I bought a tiger in rough shape off a farm. Your videos have been immensely helpful in getting the bike working right. Thank you so much.
Contemplating on getting an 800, nearly put off by Service costs but having watched your videos decided to go ahead with purchasing one. Thank you for some excellent tutorials
After watching your videos I have done the valves and I thank you so much for making these
Thanks for another great vid Muddy stump. Just finish my. Valve clearances check last night, 24000miles and no adjustments needed. Great step by step guide. 👍👍👍😎😎😎
Thanks 👍🏻
Did you check them at 12k too?
Great tutorial Muddy, your a natural teacher!
I really appreciate this video. Being a Yank from California I have a hard time understanding your thick accent. I'm sure you think I am the one with the accent.
I’m from the north east of England. It’s the part where we definitely don’t sound like the queen or Jeffrey off the fresh prince 😂
Great Video as always thanks for taking the time to do this.
RSM8...
No worries, thanks
Fantastic video(s)! I must be missing something obvious here, as my local Triumph dealer wants £900 for the 12k valve check on a 2014 Tiger 800. So if the valves are all good and nothing needs changing this seems like a very straight forward job for £900. I do understand that if the cams have to come out and shims sorted etc then this is naturally a much much bigger job. surely there should be two different costs perhaps from Triumph?
I think they’ll charge you more if they have to adjust the valves and that will be the price to just check them. Where about are you that they charge £900? Staffordshire triumph seems the worst with £1205 for a 12k on a first gen 800.
Really good videos. I'm looking at a Tiger and was just told that the major service is £700. Having watched this I'm not as wary as I was earlier. Cheers
Thanks. Must be down south somewhere? I hear they're getting quoted around £700 for 12k around Surrey.
I'm in Manchester, that was at a dealer in Chester. I know they have to make money but it's not a big job for a bike tech
Thank's for more this precious work (y)
No worries Carlos. New thing for you to try ;-)
Fantastic explanation of this procedure! Very well done ;)
Thanks :-)
absolutely awesome!
Thanks
First and foremost I pray for your health my friend.
I love your videos and learn much from them. I see a lot of Tiger 800 videos but very few for the 1200. Is this process very similar to the 800? I find any labor is ridiculous $ (mount and balance tires $185 for example) in my area (SE USA).
Yes same thing. Different valve clearances though.
That's just the information I was looking for. I was charged £620 for a service and valve check by my dealer near Glasgow. It cleaned my finances for a while. When I got the bike back(18, 000 miles) I was told the valve clearances were all fine BUT they would need adjusted at 40, 000 miles. I want to avoid to massive bills and learn to do more stuff myself. This is a fantastic video. THANK YOU.
Superb video. Cheers
Thanks Mate From Australia Your Videos have been a great help
David Powell No worries, thanks for watching
Muddy you have out done yourself this time great information video, just one comment I would like to make, would have liked to have seen how you adjust the valve clearances if they were out of spec but besides that thanks for this great video
Thanks. I've got the adjust video to edit still. Wanted to put them as 2 separate videos otherwise the videos too long. Should see it up soon :-)
MuddySump my apologies Muddy I was unsure if you had one of these video showing the adjustment. Well looking forward to watching this one when its ready. BTW loving the tool videos they are really interesting.
Thanks. they're really quick to make so thats a bonus too :-)
Thank you brother
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How often does this need done?
12k mile intervals
@@MuddySump Thanks
What can I say, apart from excellent work Muddy :D
Thanks :-)
Very clear and precise thank you
Thanks
Hi Muddy,
I have a tiger 800, 2013. I am searching dia of shims but I could not find it. I found two sizes; 7.48 and 9.5 which one is correct?
thanks for helping
7.48
Nice videos, I guess it translates pretty good to my street tripple engine.
Yes, pretty much the same engine
800 tiger engine carbon build up, wont turn, any video on how to do the clean up??? thks
I haven’t got one. I’ve never seen one not turn over just from carbon buildup. Are you sure that’s all it is?
Outstanding video, very helpful. The service kit you mention, I am struggling to find it online, do you have a part number for it?
Very sorry, just saw your other video!
You get them from triumph dealerships
Gracias muddy.....
Desde Tenerife....
Thanks muddysump for your great job! I have just one question, in the min. 7:41 aren't the camshafts in wrong position? I mean, i can see the inlet camshaft on the right hand next to the exhaust exit, and the exhaust cam on the left, is that right or I missing something? Sorry for my English.
Cheers.
Hi. It is right. You don't have the same cylinders cams pointing in the same direction at the same time. So In the video you can see cylinder 1's exhaust cams pointing away so the valves are closed and there is a different cylinders inlet cams pointing away so it's inlet valves will be closed and that is the ones you measure.
8000 miles lot of work why not do 12000, can you hear them taping if they are worn or is the bike just down on power. very good vid youve done this a lot by the looks.
It’s usually just the exhaust clearances that tighten. Inlet are rare to need adjusting. It’s always a bit of a noisy/tappety engine anyway
Hi MuddySump, I enjoy all your videos. I find them quite informative and user friendly. I watched both your videos on valve clearance check and adjust but struggled quite a bit with measuring the 2 exhaust valve clearances on the second cylinder because of the angle and therefore removed the ladder plate before 1. aligning all the gears ( top dead centre) 2. removing the tensioner. Realising this was a mistake I refitted the latter plate after aligning the gears top and bottom ( top dead centre). I bought a feeler gauge that allows me to measure clearances at an angle. My exhaust clearances are 0.3 and 0.2 (cylinder 1) 0.15(Cylinder 2) 0.15 (Cylinder3) For some reason all 6 intake valve clearances are zero ( has no gap what so ever) and this is my concern.This brings me to my question, did I perhaps do something wrong due to the fact that I removed the ladder plate before aligning the top and bottom gears ( top dead centre) and removing the tensioner. My bike is currently on 50 000 km even though I should have adjusted the clearance on 40 000km. Where to go from here?
+Gerhard Wolmarans hi. Did you measure the clearances on the intake side before removing the ladder plate or just after you refitted it? Email me at service@muddysump.com will be easier to message that way
David
Did you get an answer what was wrong, or would you share it with us after all this time. Thank you!
Nice video and gives me the courage to tackle this project in my own shop. What was the total time elapsed from beginning to end assuming no shim adjustments need be made? From and to bike in total ride condition.
Not sure for just the valves. I can do a full 12k service in about 5 hours.
@@MuddySump Thanks! Been using your videos to assist my work on both my Tiger and my DRZ400. Very helpful.
Coming from a vstrom to a Tiger, seeing this makes me wonder if l did the right thing trading, if you need to adjust afther that little amount of km. Made a check on the vstrom at 35000km and they was factory new.
Depends how you ride them. If you do a lot of long rides or touring then they can still be in spec.
Thank you for your videos, they are very informative.
I am having a hard time getting a feel for the clearance on the exhaust side.
I am able to insert a 0.330mm and 0.356mm blade on all exhaust valves, but it feels the same.
#1 exhaust cylinder is the only one I feel confident on my measurement, because is so easy to reach.
I have used both flat and tapper blades.
I am now thinking getting longer feel gauge blades with.
Any suggestions?
That should be alright, they’re in spec. I use a .33 and a .38mm feeler gauge. The .33 should be able to go in and the .38 shouldn’t. I’ve still never found a .325 feeler gauge but the difference between the two is tiny
@@MuddySump Thank you much, your help is appreciated. I am sure your videos have help a lot of people.
I have a question. Where your camcover bolts marked with a white dot? I just bought a Tiger and it has those white dots. So I am trying to figure out if Triumph does that from factory or if those bolts have been taken out and tightend by someone else.
Can’t remember. They put paint dots on everything when assembling at the factory
That's lot of work. Why can't they make hydraulic valve adjustments like Vulcan 1600. Or Ling intervals like yamaha or easy work like bmw 1200gs
Because it’s not a V twin or a boxer engine. The 700 tenere looks like it has 4000 mile service intervals
Great video. I have a 2016 Triumph tiger explorer 1200 (I know this video is a tiger 800) but I had my 20k service done at 24,500 miles. I Was told all the valve clearances were within spec, is that normally the case on the 1200 engine from your experience? As I see the 800 always appear to need some adjustment on their first big service.
No, I’ve never seen an explorer with the clearances in spec. Always needs some exhaust clearances adjusting.
@@MuddySump Now I'm feeling suspicious. Thanks
I have enjoyed your excellent videos and did my own valve adjustment on my SE Trophy.
Can you advise me on camchain removal/replacement. There is an Allen bolt that stops the camchain from dropping down.
Can I loosen this bolt to allow the chain to pass for removal.
Yes, just take that out. It’s the same type of screw as some of the camcover screws
@@MuddySump thanks, I appreciate your reply.
How much time to allocate for this? Dealer says it takes them 7 hours.
I can do the full 12k in 4 hours
Hi muddy. I saw a lot of gooey stuff on the studs you pointed to at 5:35. I also notice lots of the same gooey stuff in the hole beside the spark plugs. What do you think this means?
I’m currently having issues with starting the bike when it gets cold.
Shouldn’t be anything but oil up there. Was it a cream colour? That’s condensation, usually caused when bike is ran for long enough to warm up
@@MuddySump it was like black grease. Wish I can send the picture.
How essential is this check on the 2016 800s, a mechanic told me if there were any issues it would be noticable? What is the "issues found" to "no issues" ratio from your experience..at 24k miles
They usually always need adjusting at the first 12k service. If they’ve been adjusted then could be alright at 24k.
@@MuddySump OK thanks, they were checked at 12 and apparently fine
I can't find any way to torque back at the proper setting the bolt number 3. I don't have any space to fit the wrench between the bolt and the bike frame or to use an extension arm. I use a teng wrench 1/4 so it's pretty small... what did you use?
+Mike I've got a 1/4" teng tools torque wrench. Fits everywhere
Hi Muddy - this is probably a real numpty question so apologies in advance. If you find one or more of the valve clearances are incorrect, how do you know what size of shim you need to purchase to correct the clearance? Thanks.
You need to see what shim is in there first then get a bigger or smaller one to replace it by the amount it was out.
MuddySump OK thanks. Yep numpty question then. Not a quick job then unless you have a selection of shims available which, at the price they are, is not something the home mechanic is likely to have. Cheers...
Rob Wilkie yes, there’s no point in getting the full shim kit though cause you never use the ones at the biggest and smallest size. The shims in the exhaust side from the factory are usually around the 2.50mm thickness, sometimes less. The ones I use the most are 2.20-2.45mm
Hi Love your videos, I have a 2016 tiger 800 xcx, coming up to 55k miles. I assume valve clearance is a must but what else would you advise, plus how much would you charge if you did it?
60k service is the next major service. Air filter and spark plugs get changed then too. Oil and filter, grease bearings…. £450 for that service
@@MuddySump how much notice do you need
@@bikeboats6616 depends where you are. First half of next year is already full.
HI, I'm about to attempt this on my Street Triple R and I am a bit worried about interpreting what "feels" right when measuring the clearance. Like at 7:30 you're measuring cylinder 1 exhaust, the smallest feeler gauge fits, BUT so does the largest one. Was that valve over 0.375 and needed adjustment?Or is this a case of the larger feeler gauge fits too, but with a lot of resistance hence the gap was smaller than 0.375. How easy do these feeler gauges suppose to slide in?
The smallest one should fit in, otherwise it’s too tight and the biggest one shouldn’t, otherwise it’s the gaps too big. There should be a slight bit of drag when moving the feeler gauge.
@@MuddySump Thank you. One more thing: do the clearances tighten or widen in the long run? Bike has been checked at 12k and inlet was at 0.2 Would you adjust this at this value? Say, bring it in the middle at 0.15...
Paul Mp they usually tighten.
Advice needed!
I’ve got 27k miles on my tiger 800 and I’m only doing the first valve check.
I’m finding my intake valves are to spec, but the exhaust valves are so far off I think I must be making a mistake.
I’m getting .13-.15mm on all exhaust valves and my manual shows spec as .325-.375mm.
Does this sound strange to you? Any advice would be much appreciated.
Probably right if that’s the first time they’ve been checked. They’ve probably been that tight since 12k when the initial wear in has taken place.
@@MuddySump
Thanks! I feel better hearing it from an expert like yourself.
Hello, what's the valve clearance numbers in/ex for the 2012 Tiger 800? In the the shop they doing now .10/.20
Inlet .10-.20 exhaust .325-.375
@@MuddySump thank you. That's what I've found in the manual too and told them. They were looking in wrong manual with 885cc engine 🤦♂️
How do I know if my valve clearances need doing? My bike has just hit 14k and I've read a lot on how a lot of the time on checking them they don't need adjusting. Are there any tell-tale signs that they are out or need adjusting?
Can depend on the type of riding you do. If it’s been mainly long rides then they’re more chance of been in spec still.
@@MuddySump most of my rides are full days between 80-120 miles a time. Just wondered if you can feel or tell from riding if they are out. Thanks for the reply.
@@Dan_TheMedic think they’d have to be really bad to be able to tell just from riding it
muddy sump I love you! do you do the clearance check with engine cold or hot? just got a 2011 with about 16k and think ot might need a clearance check its a bit tippy tappy at idle and low rpm
+Sebastian Beretvas hi. Needs to be cold. Do it after it's sat over night
Cool thanks again. Keep up the great vids we love your support!
How do to I adjust if the clearance is discovered to be too much
There’s a separate adjustment video
@@MuddySump please can you drop the link here.
Hi! great video! my question is what is the valures standard for the valves? or something acceptable. Thanks.
+Nicolas Chterich the clearances? Inlet is 0.10-0.20 exhaust is 0.325-0.375 mm
Thanks but where you get that valures? In service manual says in 0.80-1.20mm ex 1.00-1.40
What manual is that? They're big clearances. Definitely for the tiger 800?
MuddySump Service Manual for both tigers, 800 and 800xc. If you want i can send you by email. For yours number my ex valves are tight for a bit but for the manual they are open. I want to know if i had a problem or not.
Send me an email to chterich@gmail.com and i send you the manual if you want. Thanks.
Did you put the bike in first gear or sixth?
Sixth. Less resistance to turn the engine over
Hello there, I can't find proper feeler gauges. Every where they sell in 0.05mm increments. Its fine for intake valves but for exhaust valves it should be .325 - .375mm thickness and I can't find a proper set. Can you please tell me where did you get your set? Is it possible to find it in online shop somehow? the closest I could find was 0.33 and 0.38mm gauges.
Hi. .33 and .38 is what I use. The clearances usually tighten so if you can't get the .33 in then try a thinner one. I usually find if they're tight then they're at .30mm. Fit a shim one size smaller, they come in .05 increments, then it should feel right with a .35 feeler blade.
If .33 blade feels alright then it is still in spec
+MuddySump Before anything else, Hats off for your great videos on proper Tiger maintenance. All of them are classroom quality and great attention to detail. My question is - any recommendations where I can find / get these feeler gauges online? or do you think a local Triumph dealer will carry these in hand? Thank you
+larry canete triumph don't sell them. Best off just searching online for for them. The majority of them come in .05 increments but if you can find some that are .33 and .38 that's what's I use
I do not quite understand why these passes with the sequence of unscrewing the valve cover bolts? Tighten, yes, it is necessary from the center to the edges, but unscrew ..
You have very necessary videos about the repair of the Tiger, but to be honest, looking at the condition of your motorcycle, I get the impression that you are just repairing it, there are no signs of operation at all.
It was just service videos. Think there was about 8500 miles on it when I did the valve clearance videos
@@MuddySump Just very clean "under the hood". It's cool, you love your bike. Can you tell me what thread the mirrors are attached to? 10x1.25 is the size, but I don't know the thread direction. I will be grateful to you.
Does anyone know what the recommended frequency for this maintenance is?
12,000 miles
Just bought a used 2012 800XC. With aggressive engine braking I hear a loud "bell chiming" sound. Have any ideas as to what that could be? Only 6000 miles on bike.
+Jon Erik Greene not sure about the bell chiming sound but sometimes the cat would come loose in the header and that made more of popcorn machine sound is how I described it to people on the engine braking/overrun
MuddySump thanks, I'm pretty positive it's the cat.
Is the 1200 explorer the same or similar?
Similar. Different clearances. Still turn the engine over and check the clearance with the cams pointing away from the bucket.
I know this is going to sound stupid to most of you but how can you tell inlet valve and exhaust valve ?
Exhaust are at the front of the engine, inlet is at the back. The inlet is where the air and fuel mixture comes into the engine, next to the throttle bodies. The exhaust is next to the exhaust pipes to let the burnt fuel mixture out.
@@MuddySump you're a star thanks mate
Improve your audio quality
Yes boss
Gracias muddy.....
Desde Tenerife....
No worries :-)