Comanche Blood-Feud | The RUTHLESS Frontier War between Settlers and the most BRUTAL Indian Tribe
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION
Comanches were the dominant force in Texas in the 1830s. Their abilities as warriors on horseback made them a nightmare for settlers on the Frontier. Encroachment on the land of Comancheria cost the lives of thousands of Spanish, Mexicans, and Texans. Comanche raids resulted in death, destruction, and led many to be captured. One of the captured was a 14 year old girl named Matilda Lockhart. When she was taken in a Comanche raid, the government in the young Texas Republic raised a company to fight a punitive expedition and get her and the other captives taken back.
When the Texans strike back at the Comanche a cascade of violence falls. Both groups continuously become more violent and aggressive as attempts at peace fail and the blood-feud between the Texans and Comanche escalates.
VIDEO CHAPTERS
00:00 The Capture of Matilda Lockhart
02:24 Col. Moore’s Disaster on the San Saba
09:25 The Council House Fight
18:22 The Great Raid of 1840
25:53 The Battle of Plum Creek
RESOURCES
‘Big Wonderful Thing’ Excerpt: “Savage Ware Fare” by Stephen Harrigan
www.texasmonthly.com/being-te...
Burning Through Texas by Mike Coppock
truewestmagazine.com/article/...
The Comanches: A History of a People by T.R. Ferenbach
Empire of the Summer Moon by S.C. Gywnne
The Evolution of a State, Or, Recollections of Old Texas Days by Noah Smithwick
The Expedition of Colonel John Moore by Jeffrey Robenalt
www.texasescapes.com/JefferyRo...
Indian Depredations in Texas by J.W. Wilbarger
Memoirs of Mary A. Maverick: A Journal of Early Texas arranged by Mary A. Maverick and her son Madison Maverick 
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His story not history
@@anotheryoutubechannel4809 But how do you know that he is stating facts? Did you dig into the deep history documents, yourself? I'm not saying he's wrong. What I am saying is that unless you know the history yourself, I mean the documented history, you can't know if he is stating facts or just his interpretation.
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Thank you. I can’t tell you how much it means to me that people enjoy these stories
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Hey got anything about the Yaqui Indians?
I recently listened to a lecture by Professor Sugrue and the topic of genocide came up. Evidently the largest native genocide to occur in North America was in the 1300’s. Native on Native, stone tool on stone tool.
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The genocide from Europeans was worse they literally annihilated two continents. Yes we All know natives fought each other but that does justify what was done to them. Examples the Inca empire.
If you want to talk genocide, I dont think anything can compare to what the Aztecs did for 100 years all before the Spaniards showed up about 1520ish and stopped them.
The Aztecs wiped out many smaller tribes , there are estimates they sacrificed as many as 🕛 per year.
That's not counting what they killed in battle, and took as slaves , although most of the slaves eventually got sacrificed too so the numbers are hazy , but it was a massive amount.
And , of course, all this native on native predation was found to have been caused by global warming , then climate change, then finally Donald Trump.
@@adamdominguez6472 Annihilated two continents? Care to eleborate on that?
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The word 'adopted" is really a misnomet in this case, and "the Texans felt superior and view the Comanches as pagan savages." Well, isn't that how the Comanches viewed and treated their neighbors?
Exactly. After they split from the Shoshone and moved south onto the Southern Plains they vanquished the Plains Apache, Kiowa and others in their way.
Yes they considered the Comanche and all other Indian Tribes as Lesser Beings. Mexicans too
That seems to be underlying in a whole lot of Nasty and Nefarious Behavior, beginning roughly at the time the first puritan got his Shiny Buckled Shoes wet, but the Indians had their very own Lessers and maybe Betters to contend with. Then The Killing always followed, and that whole "Manifest Destiny" Thingy didn't help even a little bit.
It's almost as if, drilling over and over into people's heads that they have the right to do whatever they wish and take whatever they like, because they are fulfilling some sort of Inborn Superiority to All Others, just might not be such a great idea.
It's Just a theory though, I got nothing to back it up....Except the History of the behavior of the entire Population of both the Old and New World. That's all I have to work with right now, but I'm hoping for a Breakthrough Soon
Great point!
The Commanche were pagan savage murderers
Commanche were pagan savage murderers
Always a wonderful day when Dates and dead guys uploads
Thank you. I love that people keep coming back
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The Comanche and the Apache got to be my favorite Nations to research. This channel helped a lot in that.
So now you know that the "Comanche" are actually Shoshone.
Another excellent vid. Well researched, careful separation of fact from assumption, and a storyline that links everything. A bloody and brutal storyline; uncomfortable to hear yet much more truthful than the usual pablum sold as "the history" of that region in that era.
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Wish I had this channel two years ago BEFORE we spent a couple months in the heart of this region. Great stuff.
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Excellent video.
As a history buff , I've read about and heard this story several times , both as individual battles, and the collective campaign of that 2 year or so period.
This is probably the best telling of this period I've heard.
And to the bleeding heart whining about the perspective, we , the European Whites , lived it , fought it, and won it , so we tell it from the Victor's perspective.
There are remnants of many tribes around that can comfort your hurt feels with their perspective if you like.
Tell them to post it up.
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Today most of us see the native Americans as victims, and though they really were it addresses the situation too superficially.
Early on, before fort laramie, before general sherman, who do you actually blaming?
The texans who defend themselves from clearly a terrible enemy?
Or do you blame The comanche and other tribes who were intimidated and pushed by white men and did not grow on the concept of human rights?
Political-moral judgment of history is understandable but also way more grey than we usually think
The "Comanche" couldn't even get along with their own tribe, the Shoshone. That's why they left, moved south and became known as Comanche.
"blame" is a term used by children.. I doubt anyone living in this time had even heard of "human rights." This was a time of "might makes right" Poor people moving into an area where if they could hold on to a piece of land, it was theirs to be had. The main thing to "blame" is ignorance of cultures by all involved. We should be observers of the past which happened through no ones particular fault of any involved. ... In places where land was to be had through might, things we consider bad "happened" through no fault of those involved. Its quite Darwinesue in reality,,,, survival of the fittest...It still happens today,, its just hidden from view..
@@kirkethridge2500 pretty much sums it up
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Awesome story yet again, bud. Also another perfectly worded ending. Iill say it again...Youve got a real talent for finding the most poignant way to end a video. Keep going, sir. I'm here for it
Love your vids, the art as well. Excellent work
My family helped settle Texas.
Thank you
I don't know if anything has been done on Miss Ann Whitney, frontier schoolteacher who gave her life for her students in Hamilton county TX.. but speaking of frontiers and folks attacked,died and survived those Indian attacks,the students that day were very scared but brave I would say.. thank u for another awesome video..
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HA! I'm in Portugal too! Spent a couple months in the area of this video. Wish I could have had it as a guide.
Thank you
Great Story Telling
Story-telling at it's best. I've always enjoyed history of the plains Indian.
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There is no way THE Comanche could live with ANY CIVILIZATION.
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They did
@@nothingnothing5183 They did not.
@@Music-lx1tf So there was no other Native American tribe that lived around them?
@@nothingnothing5183 Not in peace.
Another great vid
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Good stuff
knowing about these facts you have to tip your hat to the spaniards! How incredibly smart they must have been to keep a balance of peace and violence for hundreds of years in these lands.... when they left hell was unleashed!!!
They were defeated by the Comanche and werecraided incessantly. They did not keep any balance.
Great Point!
Your ability to tell these stories from both sides is great. I always look forward to your videos
Subbed!
Can you please make more conquestadors videos
I'm curious about what background you come from, academic or otherwise. You really do a great job, well researched content, and your storytelling type of presentation is wonderful.
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As a California Sierra Miwuk, I am recommending you to check out Gary Noys, “Natures Mountain Mansion: Wonder, Wrangles, Bloodshed, and Bellyaching from Nineteenth-Century Yosemite”. I love your story telling and I would like to share a piece of my history.
"The blood feud had escalated."
What a hard line.
It would be fun if you did a video on the Ute indians. I've read a little about them and I think they're undervalued by Hollywood and Native Amerindian channels.
What would be a story about the Ute you think people would enjoy?
@@datesanddeadguys I don't have anything in particular, but I think Chief Ouray is an interesting figure and I think Utes relations with their neighbors is also interesting particularly the time when the Spaniards had an alliance with them.
I heard a pretty interesting story about 2 Utes, unjustly accused of armed robbery and murder.
23:45 There was a Josia Wilbarger that was scapled in 1833, and died in 1845, due to the injury.
The author was his brother.
How do we know what torture methods the Comanche used on their prisoners as retaliation ? Are there any credible sources I can look into ?
Burnin off noses but than laughing and mockingly ignoring the dude dumb enough to wade towards them.
The Comanche were *wild* .
What does it mean when you say, “stampede the horses”?
I very much agree with kimcoggin4334 and NitroBoarder17. You are without a doubt one of the best history buffs I have ever seen and greatest researchers I have ever come across. Thanks for the history lesson and please keep them coming.
Im laughing at the claim that it wasn't a "Fair Fight" when the Comanches did not have their horses at the Counsel House fight... But when the Settlers were being ambushed and Massacred by Comanches On Hourseback...it was a fair fight ?????! Lol!
Nonbyest ...Not, but a trend to be expected these days...
The claim that 80 comanches were killed at the battle of Plum Creek is a ridiculous exagerration by the Texans. Especially since the battle became a route and only 20 bodies were found, which is an even higher kill estimate for the comanches then i've previously heard, some sources say only 12 bodies were found, theres no way the Comanches would have had time to pick up and carry away 60 bodies from the field while they were fleeing for their lives. Of course it's possible that some Comanches were wounded and fled and later died of their wounds but there's no way it was that many. Also too the Comanches when later asked about the battle disputed the claim that only one texan was killed and claimed to have killed at least eleven. The problem is in most accounts of these battles your only hearing one side of the story as the whites were the only ones to put things down in writing and they tended to exagerate the number of Natives they killed while also underestimating the number of casualties they took in some cases. An example is the battle of Beecher Island against the Cheyyenes. After the battle some of the white participants claimed to have killed hundreds of Indians while it seems that in reality there were around 30 Natives killed at most. The Texans definitely did win this battle not disputing that but just making the point it's important to be skeptical of accounts when only one side is recording the events in the historical record.
Many Massacres of Settlers go unmentioned as well, in the effort of betraying the Indians as helpless innocent victims in our History.
body counts are nearly always exxagerated by the "winning side". I guess its part of human nature?
Could you do some stuff like this on the blackfeet?
What a great video! but this guy seems like he picked Kentucky to win it all in the tourney
President Lamar looks like Herman Gering
The irony you invade someone’s land and your surprised when met with hostility
Who’s land? The heathen Comanche had wiped out the original inhabitants of their newly acquired Comancheria. The had no rights to Texas under your way of thinking. They were the interlopers and colonizers!
Very ridiculous view of this, considering that the land in question didn’t belong to those people either, it belonged to the tribe who they took it off and to the tribe who those before them took it off. So you can’t really use this as a response.
Do a talk on la Matanza of Mexicans by Texas rangers early 1900s
There is no such thing as a fair fight. You should know that.
Dates and Dead Guys is the history teacher for people like me who are too poor for university
"Manage the problem..."
your great at speaking you look like a chill guy and the way you put the screenshots of epic native Americans its all great production
Love this channel, but the Commanche warrior who got too close to the Texans, fell from his saddle, really, fell from his saddle?
Yes. They didn’t ride bareback.
@datesanddeadguys I had to do some research on this for myself because I've seen so many old pictures of Aboriginals riding bareback that I just assumed they never adopted saddles, and of course I was wrong. Yes, they started out that way when first introduced to horses, but they eventually adopted saddles, and certainly, by the time of this incident, they would have been using saddles almost exclusively. So, I stand corrected, and there goes another Hollywood myth dispelled by the facts, so thank you for pointing out the error of my ways, I truly appreciate that.
Comanches with guns. Holy shit. Nice.
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Blood Meridian seems the closest mainstream fiction will dare to reach towards the reality back then
I enjoyed your presentation as so much, that I subscribed.
Such an interesting time period, imagine being hunted by or ambushed by some random half naked feather wielding men. BLAZE A GLORY just to die from an arrow.
Obvious lack of leadership and battle strategy competence on the part of the Comanche to be out fought so easily. The disjointed nature of indian nations, and the loose tribal chief sub structures, meant warriors fought individually and not as a unified force with a central plan of action. The Texans were fortunate to face such a poorly armed disorganized enemy.
Individual action and disunity could be a great advantage or disadvantage in battle, it all depended on the circumstances.
Ttrpg deadlands brought me here 😊
What?
@@randyneilson7465 A tabletop roleplaying game called deadlands from Pinnacle Entertainment.
Was anybody at the council punished for getting those captives killed? The objective was to free them, what TF did they think would happen?
Go Plum Creek
There's a great book, Comanche Empire, by a Norwegian, all about their Great Plains empire from 1700 to 1850, more or less. The conflict arose from their culture, where hoarding a buffalo or deer kill was not just selfish, but stupid, because they had no way of preserving the excess meat; it rotted if not shared. Thus stealing from hoarders was the correct thing to do.
Then they ran into the Spanish, where factories, mines, and other cooperative ventures required hoarding in some fashion, along with wage workers (mines, factories, farms, ranches), and as far as the Comanche were concerned, a store with textiles, clothers, shovels, knives, firearms, and other equipment was just a bunch of selfish hoarding, and stealing it was the correct thing to do.
Naturally the Spanish, Mexicans, Texans, and Americans did not agree.
The book is fantastic, a great discussion of the clash of two such disparate cultures.
Even the Comanche would have known that hoarding perishable goods is something completely different from hoarding non perishable ones. A blatantly ridiculous excuse to steal , in other words.
@@guntertorfs6486 I suggest you read the book before condemning a society of which you know little. In addition to perishable food, the Comanches had very few portable goods and pack animals. They were nomads, and the idea of hoarding tools was foreign to them.
@@grizwoldphantasia5005 Sure. I've literally read everything i could get my hands on about Native Americans since childhood. You're not going to gaslight me : the Comanche were a horror to everyone that crossed their paths. Especially other tribes.
Thanks for sharing
@@guntertorfs6486 If you haven't read that book, then you haven't literally read everything about the Comanche. To call them a horror without understanding why is too one-sided a view to matter.
What caused the commanche to become so brutal
They were bullied for generations by other tribes, until horses gave them a technological advantage over their old enemies. They used it.
i saw some white person say they found a greek artifact in that part of the country.
i hate how hollywood always leaves out the part about how brutal and cruel these savages were ... this story would make a good movie with the cast from tombstone ...
Lol I don’t know what movies you watching, but native violence isn’t left out, you just seem racist
Savages 😅
It's alluded to in The Searchers, but that movie is from an era where graphic violence and language not tolerated by the audience.
Imagine bringing war and disease to someone else's ancestral lands and calling them savages for protecting their lands.
@@ibestrokin I will agree with the disease but have no doubts these 'savages ' we very schooled in the art of war and that experience came from make war against other Tribes Mexican Spanish and then the Texans. Make no mistake these were very much Warrior Societies.
They needed to go. U hate to say it but...
Jeez...
Still here. Come get some.
@@ibestrokin some wampum? I kid sory. I put up insightful comments and ut erases them. I say overt racist crap and they float my comment to the top. Just being rebellious ig. On a side note i am aware that every white the Comanche kidnapped then adopted into into the clan, strongly refused to go back to western society. Ut will erase this too 😑
@@ibestrokingreat response.
Please, no more sound effects, like shotguns or camera clicks. Too distracting. LOVE your channel. Thanks for your hard work!
Interesting factoid: Native Americans do not suffer from male pattern baldness
Im not trying to take food off of yours family's table I'm just sharing for the love of the internet.if anyone was interested in the rangers vs comanche or u just like stories of the old west like before the so called gunfighter era when st louis was the frontier!there's a channel called HISTORY AT THE OK CORRAL....your welcome🎉
hell of A time to be alive or terrifying!!! lol
What i have learned re native americans and white settlers that is so relevant to today.
Just as most Americans back then seems to treat most indians based on the actions of the worst of them, so to do Liberals like to do the same to our American ancestors!
Texians started it
Then finished it!
Amazing history ❤❤❤
Yeah… zero compassion for the Vikings with pigment.
Marlone Brando is turning in his grave after hearing how the commanches treated their prisoners.
He’s probably still reeling from the fact that the “native “ girl he used to not accept his award was in fact a suburban white girl.
According to herself the girl sent to the ceremony by Brando wasn't white as Paris Jackson still believes she's black. @@missesmew
Oh the PC crowd would hate this story 😂
Anyone see the parallel between Israel and Hamas today.
Were the Comanche warriors the only Native Americans that fought on horseback?
far from it, they just happened to be the best according to historians and witnesses at the time. i've heard many compare them to the mongolian horse archers and honestly the comparison seems apt. if the comanche had ambitions of mass conquest and a bit more centralization of command, they could've easily independently developed tactics similar to the mongol empire and spread like wildfire across the whole continent. but they never really had the chance to move away from plains-based strategy. the mongols were arguably similar in that they were initially steppe-based warriors, but they assimilated and preserved many cultures they conquered and consequently absorbed a whole range of tactics for other geographic regions (mountains, low deserts, deep taiga, etc)
sorry for the long and sorta drawn out answer to your question, but the answer is no, there were definitely other indigenous groups that utilized horses to both similar and different ends. the comanche were the most adept at it though, especially for militaristic purposes
I need someone to explain(from both sides whites and indians) to me, how murder and torture was the "normal " practice...😢 especially kids and babies....i can't wrap my head around this!
This should have been what 1883 was about, but Taylor Sheridan is not the man for a story like this. There is too much Presentism in him to tell this story.
Make your own channel, then. WE like him!
@@widowrumstrypze9705 I believe in his talent and would watch 1883 over and over again till the day I die, but his interest in that history turns out to be very narrow, and it was a surprise, seeing he wrote The Yellowstone, and almost every character in that show was striving to return to that forgotten time.
Go watch his interview with Joe Rogan and you will know I am right.
@@widowrumstrypze9705u prolly like marvel movies too. Ur such a smart big boy aren't you 😊
1883 was a GIRL POWER joke.
@@tonystoops7802Entirely different way of banging your way across the frontier.
Didnt ok corral just do this episode?
He did a similar episode. OK Corral and Dates and Dead guys are both worth watching, although the narrator for OK Corral has some somewhat off-putting quirks.
Comanche ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽