My great-grandmother used to live on Sonora, Mexico around ~1880. She told me that her ranch was attacked by the apaches and that they stole all the cattle. However, they were able to survive due to one Indian woman helped them to recover one cow.
@@carrasco2011sc then your family isn't from Northern Mexico or have been living in the north long enough, back in the 1700s and 1800s most families in Chihuahua were immigrants from Spain or indigenous such as the Taraumaras or Raramuris that also hated the Apaches.
@@datesanddeadguys You should have been a history teacher. Instead of dusty names and dates, you somehow fill it all with life and make it all understandable and palatable. Thank you, sir.
Wow, my Mexican grandpa would always talk about how ruthless Apache warriors were (respectfully) and I always thought, “What does he know about American Natives” …this was eye opening
As an Apache my grandma told me Mexicans would circulate this story where an Apache child was captured and placed to a Mexican family and how they chewed their own wrist veins to kill themselves and avoid being captured. Is this true? The circulation of the story not the story itself, or both of you have insight
Esa matanza según se dice fue fue hecha por los Estados Unidos y ganó comprobarse que fueron ellos le echaron la culpa al ejército mexicano y así siempre ha sucedido lamentablemente siempre Estados Unidos se sale con la de usted la de ellos pero nunca ha sido así de hecho de hecho muchos apaches siempre tienen el apellido español y siempre se la llevaron muy bien con el mexicano ya hacían muchas cambios de cosas y De semillas y de muchas cosas de pieles hacían intercambios con los mexicanos cuando los estadounidenses llegaron fueron los que dañaron esa relación
The History de this guys talking is Life and live and live before day people from the United States came to america's en d'alpage was friend daylux 6 people are the ones that always making back things to our people we know that you this days
As a full blooded Apache from the white mountain Apache tribe in Eastern Arizona, I recommend reading “Apaches: Eagles of the southwest.” Where I learned much more about my own tribe than what was taught to me in public school. Ashóóge (thank you) for making this video on my people.
Dude,I'm 62 years old,before I get too old I want to visit your country,walk the land of your ancestors,to look into the eyes of an Apache, before I die,peace brother
Only my great-grandmother was Apache. She is in a picture in an Arizona museum. Apparently, she is from the lineage of Cochise. I never felt like my Mexican relatives. I always felt like they were not my people. When I first started seeing Apache videos. I felt this was who I was like. And this was before I realized the largest percentage in my blood came out as Apache..... I appreciate my Apache brothers. Stay strong.
Woke people always talk about the white man Americans being evil but Mexico.and many other latin american counties were way more brutal towards natives even to this day.
I grew up in Baja California, close to Sonora, I remember yelling Geronimo whenever I would do crazy shit as a kid. I never knew why, until now. Thank you and great video!
@@eeddssoonn1989 I’m from Hermosillo and I lived in Mexicali , they got different natives in Baja .there’s about 7 natives tribes in Sonora, Mexico and I heard some Apaches mixed with others natives to avoid persecution in the border by Fronteras , Agua prieta Sonora & Chihuahua.
True, also how we were raised back in the day literally molded us into animals in a non derogatory way. In the way you can tell a wild wolf's eyes are different than a domesticated one.
Hunter gatherers can walk forty miles a day. That's why it was next to impossible to defeat them militarily. The terrain would wear on soldiers and horses were little help. But quantity is its own quality so both sides decided to negotiate.
That's the thing about nature. It'll provide you with everything that you need for survival, as long as you know how to utilize it properly but that same environment will toughen you up.
Jeronimo was not a hero. He was a renegade and led his people into constant war and famine. The Natives were extremely stubborn and refused to settle and practice ranching or agriculture....
The historian Paul Andrew Hutton wrote in his book that the Apache didn’t scalp cause it was taboo to touch a dead body but they would filet skin off people while still alive.
Lol if you want to really know the truth about the American and Mexican war and don’t listen to the perspective of the white man. You’ll hear the other side to in Mexico.
I love these series/stories. Im currently looking at a lot of native american history and civilizations related topics and history and these are really well done and interesting. Keep going and good job.
Not really many of us are half mexican half TO half mexican half Yaqui in tejas alot of chicanos are half camanche its the white boys(cherokees) who are always trying to start some sht we all eat beans tortillas and 🫔 tamales stay strong my desert people💪🏽🌵
I have recently started researching about the Apache history and I found this video very informative, thank you! My great, great grandmother was an Apache women taken hostage as little girl when her tribe was attacked and killed by a group of Mexican men during the scalp bounty.
Yeah they not are loyalty to anyone cut throat. Feed them and then cut the hand that fed them and want to rob those that extended mercy towards them selfish to the fullest Me and only me. That’s why they beefed .No one digs people like that. Petty!! Then they cry of the injustice towards them. Child like. Like a infant who has never been disciplined. You reap what you sow homeboy.
Years ago I found a report (I believe it was a part of a census) that listed the cause of deaths in what was then the NM Territory, Lincoln County specifically. The majority of Anglo deaths were listed as caused by various diseases. The vast majority of "Mexican" deaths were listed as "by Indian". This video gives insight on why that may have been the case. Thank you for more great content!
Just imagine what it would be like going to sleep. You have your wife and 3 kids in the same room as you .Maybe you have a hired hand and his wife in a lean two next to the house . I don’t think I could sleep until 1914 ,every pop,creak and snap and bodily noise would have me on hyper alert.
@@datesanddeadguys Probably felt like the nazis were invading to INDIGENOUS FAMILIES trying to survive the invasion? There is a mass grave of 60k Comanche Women and Children murdered by Caucasian families still alive in the area -COMANCHE NATION -COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 you have a valid point. Maybe you could find the answer to your question by asking the Lipan and Kiowa Apaches that were displaced by the Comanches?
This video was my introduction to your channel and I subbed instantly. Saw another person mention the fact you speak in normal tone and have your own way of delivering the information. Outstanding, cheers to you man well done
I am Apache and honestly after learning history from both our perspective and the western world’s perspective I’ve gathered that we were problematic to everyone we encountered back then. It’s said that we came from up north in the Alaska/Canada area of the Americas. We terrorized the existing tribes that were already here. Neighboring tribes have stories about what my ancestors did to theirs. It was for survival and battle for resources. When the settlers from the U.S. and Mexico moved in our areas it threatened our control over resources which is why we went to war. Now today we are American citizens and fight the same battles against inflation and other issues together. Today Mexicans are some of our biggest friends and allies. I am expecting my first child with an el sinaloense. I will teach her about both her people and hope she will enjoy the food and cultures of both. How times have changed but not changed.
If your child is born with a blue spot, she is considered a true blood. Most of what was written about us is untrue, as they are accounts from people from Western Society, and not our culture. We never came from Alaska, that is a myth. We came from the Warm Springs cave in New Mexico from the time of the flood, Before that, these were our lands as was for the Dinay people our cousins. There are some that did come from the northern cave, but then it is also true south of the Apacherias, we had people migrate towards us. The assumption of us coming from Alaska is based upon us speaking Athabaskan, and the faulty Berengia theory. We never came from Asia, our origins are from the Americas. Athabaskan was a Northern spoken language going back at least 45, 000 years. So it was spoken by many groups spanning from the four corners going all the way up into Saskatuan Territory. It was one of the oldest languages outside of the ones spoken in the Southern Americas. Traces of our language can be found in Chineses, Japanese, Polynesian, and Tagalog. This is proof of sea-faring before younger dryas going from east (Americas) traveling West into Asia. So certain Asian groups are descendant from Natives and are tied to the Americas.
@@nrgpirate I’m sorry but I didn’t just wake up one day and read some of the information I shared then repost it. Apaches being from Alaska (well my tribe at least) is actually something that my mother was told by Apache elders in our tribe. The stories about Apaches were shared with me by members of other neighboring tribes. Whether Apaches or Natives in general came from Asia or vice versa is up to your interpretation. Not taking my argument that far.
@@Paquito-wz6eg If you had read my comment, I had said that some of the migrations into Apacheria were from the north, but they are not from Warm Springs Cave, they are later migrations, the same as from the south migrations to the north. This is what we say as Ndee' Hadaska or Ndee' Yahudah. Dinay have similar tails of migrations to become Dinay. Apaches were NOT a singular group of people. This is why some had clans, and some didn't. Some had stories from the north, and some from the south, and some originating from the Warm Springs cave. I had several Apache elders confirm this, including my grandparents before they died. Everything I have mentioned is verified both in the paleo-linguistic record, the anthropological record, and archeological record. It shouldn't upset you at all. It should make you proud, because being Apache is more than the surface of what most people know. As far as what you called the interpretation of Native Asiatic descent, I had done the research, it isn't an interpretation, it science fact, one that Western Society wishes would go away. Feel free to mention to your elders about the blue spot. They will tell you the truth. Peace Shikasen.
I admittedly have only been watching the Apache related videos, but I absolutely love them!!! It saddens me that I have to learn about my family history this way, but something tells me you'll be covering the cause of that in the next video. Piecing my history together is heart breaking once you realize why we don't know it.
I stumbled upon your channel while watching historical videos about the Native Americans. My wife is half Cherokee, and my fascination continues to expand after learning from her family. Anyways, as someone who almost never comments on videos, I just felt like saying I really enjoyed all of the Apache videos and hope to see more relating to the Native American history. Great job on the research as well! You briefly touched on Cochise in one of the videos, but his full story is really interesting. If you decide to continue with the Apache, may I suggest a few additional names to cover - Magnus Colorados, Victorio, and Lozen (Victorios sister I believe)
I have one more on the Apache coming out Saturday. It’s on the Broncos but a lot of folks have requested Mangus Coloradas. That is one I would really like to do. Maybe I’m not done. Thanks for the feedback.
That focuses on the scalp hunting industry where Mexico paid for Apache scalps Of course scalp hunters weren’t particularly discriminating Black hair and pink scalp being hard to determine in origin
Super interesting! As an Apache woman myself, my grandmother's family was mixed with Spanish by the end of the 1800s, and my grandfather's were full-blooded Apache so I got to get both perspectives of their history. My grandmother's side was definitely more mestizo in food, culture and they spoke Spanish as their first language. Ironically my grandpa's side learned Spanish in the 20s and 30s to pass as Mexicans as there was so much racism directed at Indians in California at that time, but not so much towards Mexicans.
Idk where you heard otherwise but Mexicans have always been oppressed in USA… it’s just not spoken about like the Natives and black… because we don’t complain and wait for handouts
@@johnathanperez1135 they lived in Mexican-majority neighborhoods in California, where signs said no dogs, no Indians allowed. And they never had handouts, they left reservations before government benefits were even a thing, none of my family is registered natives and we have never received any benefits. My family were all hardworking military veterans and proud Americans. So yes the discrimination directly towards Indians was a real thing in their day but they surpassed it. Nobody said Mexicans have never experienced racism in this country either. It's not a competition.
@@LukanorPridenobody likes Indians in any continent in any country. Mexicans are super racist to native Americans to this day. It is very well documented and there are countless videos on RUclips talking about the discrimination they face in Mexico. But then Mexicans wanna turn around and claim "Aztec pride" while hating them in their backyard.
I, today, just discovered your channel, and have binge watched 10 videos this morning thus far. Your stories are compelling with great presentation. You have earned yourself a new subscriber. Thank you for the education, and please keep up the good work.
Funny, since Apaches were not only in the USA side but also on the Mexican side. Today many mexicans from the mx-usa border areas are of Apache descendance, not Aztec, neither Mayans but APACHE. The mexicans you're referring to are really the Mexicans of Spanish descent, not the average Mexican, such as the mestizo, which account for 80% of the mexican population today.
I encourage everyone who likes this particular video to go read “Blood Meridian” by Cormac McCarthy. This book gives a detailed first person account of what life was like between the Mexicans and Apache Indians. Good read.
It is my favorite book but also read Life Among The Apache by Grenville something. There isn't much writing on their day to day lives especially the settlement of Bylas but this book is about a dude who lived with them for several years and gained their trust which is so hard to do.
"A first person account" of a feud between Apache and Mexicans written by a white guy? Doesn't pass the smell test to a jaded person with an ounce of common sense/street smarts.
@user-cz2ih5rj1t No. They are Spanish citizens within the Spanish empire. The Mexican state did not exist. The Mexican identity did not exist. Your American Masonic ideals haven't reached New Spain yet.
@@nelsonr1467 Mexico had an indigenous population my dude. Much of which didn't interbreed with the Spanish even if they took on many aspects of Spanish/European civilization.
@planescaped You do realize Spanish came from Spain right and not Mexico right? The Mexicans who was fighting the apache/commanche was spanish bred with south and Central natives. There was no Mexicans before the Spanish. Like do a little research
I come from Mexican-Apache bloodlines. Can tell you how proud of my lineage I am. I’m an Arizona native and my ancestors come from this land. Even before this was the US. Proud of my brown skin.
I really like this and the prior video about the Comanche. Often Indian history is oversimplified and doesn't portray the some of the most humanizing aspects of history.
I was born in chihuahua my middle name is geronimo my dad's name is geronimo and my grandfather's name is geronimo. I've never really learned about the apache until I moved to the u.s. only native tribe I know about in Mexico are taraumaras.
I met a Tarahumara chick at a Harley dealer. Knew she definitely was not Mexican. Maybe a little black? She said guess. I said Apache. She said Tarahumara. She was damn fine. My stepdad was Tarahumara, and the black girls thought he was black. Poor guy. Some dude spit in his face and called him that word. Mom had to latch onto him. He did three tours as a machine gunner in Korea.
I'm White Mountain Apache. Still alive, thriving, and appreciable of my own culture in spite of many foreign cultures showing up in the U.S. lately. I'm glad you are sharing our history, which not many people know of. Now, I'll show it to my East Asain friends who have a hard time trying to understand that Native Americans are not Mexicans.
WHAT?!?!?!?!? Your friends are trippin!!! Next time they say something that asinine, tell them that they might as well believe that Chinese, Japanese, and Korean are the same!
@@daheneral1459 there is some truth to that. We are heavily mixed with Indigenous/European blood. I myself am 53% indigenous with the rest being other European roots according to my DNA test. I don't claim to be Indigenous however bc it is not the culture I was raised in.
@daheneral1459 I don't feel anyway about it. There's still a lot of Apaches who live in Mexico and still practice the old traditions and ceremonies. Also, the stigma around being indigenous isn't as pervasive as it was a century and a half ago. Furthermore, I know some Mexicans whom I'm friends with appreciate the culture and participate in some of the ceremonies.
@@ApacheKaiju04 Technically nearly all Native Americans came from Asia anyways so you might be actually distant cousins with the Chinese, Japanese, Korean or even Malaysians of old who might have crossed the land bridge or got shipwrecked. Its crazy to see Asians today that look just like Native Americans and yet everyone still assumes we are different. We are all brothers and sisters from the beginning of time when God created Adam and Eve. Yet because of skin color or different shapes of body parts we begin to judge each other. its shameful.
There are Apaches still in Mexico also..those that went south when the border was made and stayed there..they came tot San Carlos reservation years ago to connect with their roots and other Apache tribes..like a long lost siblings kind of thing...they are not recognized in Mexico as indigenous but they dress and look like Apaches in the US
México does not recognize any of Indigenous, Iam Apache and Jaqui ancestry. No Self Respecting Mexican, especially of Native Decent should call themselves Mexican.
Wtf do you hear yourself. More like since they decided to to not take their ideology and religious form of life that's was being force on them.. just like now we are being forced on that sick ass trans ideology.. They even got their own form of explaining something that can't be explained..
My great grandma was Apache and my great grandpa from Mexico "stole" her or she was acquired to be his wife. My family has no evidence of this but has been handed down in stories. They were both born in the 1890's so this was still going on at that time. She spoke Spanish as well as an Apache language but only taught it to her eldest son, my great Uncle. She had 3 children in Mexico (that survived) and then emigrated to the US and had 3 more children.
Great information. The Mexican military had a very brutal history against all Indians in Mexico. The Yaqui’s in the state of Sonora in the 1870’s were still without horses in any useful force and mostly using arrow to battle the military, were beat to submission mercilessly.
That's what I mean the government was brutal against yaki from Sonora and the Mayans lacandones. Porfirio dias the dictator. Fir more than 30 years on power .
I thought you gave a good presentation of this particular chapter that, like other significant parts of the story, are left out and forgotten. I had read in other historical pieces how the Apaches and Mexicans were mortal enemies, which sort of goes against common narratives and concurrent malfeasance in education and voluntarily ignorance. There’s so much more to the story. What I found especially interesting was how the Spanish ironically seemed to have the best bad policy toward the Apache. And Fredrick Russell Burnham said that the Apache were the best trackers - they taught him the art.
Yeah. We sucked far worse on our own in regards to the natives than when we were Spanish subjects. A big part of It was that 19th Century nationalism was built around the correlation of territory, state, people and language, so as any 19th Century country we went all in in our "Civilizatory mission"
Hey there as a Jicarilla I would just like to say that you did a fantastic job. Oftentimes people like to conflate the idea that Mexicans are Apaches and that Apaches are Mexicans. This is not true there are Apaches in Mexico but they are not by ethnicity any other tribe but their own. More often people misunderstand the fact that being Mexican is not an ethnic identity but a nationality so they're actually are Apaches in the country of Mexico.
Yes! There is a kind of “manifest destiny”in Mexico like in the US. Many Mexicans feel like Mexico had the “right” to Conquer the Apache just like they had Conquered and Mexicanized most other native populations. I have never met a single Apache, Oodham, Yaqui, Comanche or any other southwest US Native American that ever considered themselves or any of there ancestral lands as part of Mexico.
Agree! Mexican is a nationality like American (U.S.), but there are people of different ethnicities/races that are Mexican (some indigenous, but not all the same tribe). As far as indigenous people of North America- different colonizer, but same struggle.
Just found your channel today and it's absolutely fascinating! (Subscribed) I'm a Brit and I know eff all about US history. Learning a lot. Thanks for all the hard work.
Love your content man. May I suggest considering adding subtitles with title words and major dates in bold? I believe it’ll help keep people even more engaged in your storytelling. Very interesting content!
I'm Mexican mostly Terahumaran and Tepehuan but like most Mexicans I'm Spanish too. My partner is Apache. I want to watch this with them now. Haha I love them so much!
Apaches were always being raided by Navajo, Comanche, and even Wichita and Osage raided them, stealing their children whom they frequently used as food for the trip back to the Ozarks for the Osage. That is a long under reported truth but documented by Chouteau and others. Apache were forced out of the northern states along the high plains and then pushed into the mountains.
We didn't need to eat people. Plenty of buffalo and deer to eat lol Do Caucasians eat the babies they kill in abortion clinics??? Sorry to ruin your European shade lol -COMANCHE NATION
Thank you for sharing these historical facts and your analysts with us because this information is never discussed in academic institutions in neither the U.S. nor Mexico.
On my dad's side of the family, they originate from a small town called Moctezuma which lies in the mountains of Sonora, about 2 hours Northeast of Hermosillo. Legend has it that there were strict rules for the locals not to venture to the other side of the mountain which was Apache territory and they showed no mercy. Ironically, my grandmother who was born in the early 1900's was adopted as a very young child and not knowing where she came from, rumor has it she was either Apache or Yaqui. I recently did an Ancestry kit and my DNA came back 46% native to the Southern US/Northern Mex territory. Wish there was a way to do a DNA test that can help pin point which tribe... I'm intrigued by this video and it definitely compelled me to share a brief history of my family roots.
I've read about the Apache before trying to learn this countries history better and they've always been interesting to me. Probably one of the more interesting things I've learned that made me wonder why Apache history isn't talked about more, love these videos.
Why not go to the Tribal Nation that teaches all about Tecumseh? Even Haskell Indian Nations University teaches about him and much more. -COMANCHE NATION
WoW! My family is from Nogales, Arizona and Sonora, Mexico. I have always felt the deepest respect for Native Americans and that we must have Native American blood in our ancestry. I never knew about the wars with the Apache. Incredibly interesting and with Mexico owning such a large part of the US. Excellent presentation! New subbie :)
There are groups of Apaches living in northern Mexico in Chihuahua and Sonora they recently got recognized by Mexico and there culture is mostly preserved. Hopis Pimas and Yaquis have been recognized by Government for generations because the language group they speak is a dialect of Nahuatl the language of Rhe Mexcas (Aztec) The apaches did not scalp because they were never allied with France.
When did this happen? As far as all the info I looked up they are still not recognized by the Mexican government. That, although in Mexico, Apaches do not officially exist. Longoria, who is also a historian and academic, has been one of the main drivers for the recognition of his people in Mexican territory. This from 2021 and there is nothing I could find that supports your claim. Go any links or info?
My ancestors on both sides all came from Chihuahua ..traveled to northern New Mexico before it was a state ( currently Lincoln County ) and farmed until the late 1930s. Apache/Mexican/Spanish. A complete town (Rancho de Los Padillas) is named after my ancestors , (Schools , Judges , Citywide ) .
Recommended reading is the book “ Cronica de Un Pais Barbaro” which translates into Chronicle of a Barbarian Country. It is a journal of the Apache Wars from the Mexican perspective.
What an interesting piece of history. Was totally unaware of these fights between the two. This would make an awesome movie or show based on Geronimo.Thanks for sharing!
Great video fantastic like always. Keep it up always solid story telling not same old stuff or stories if they our you add or tell them greatly thanks Bud 👍
This is fascinating. As a Mexican American, that grew up in California, I remember as a young teenager I had a girlfriend that lived in a town that was full of Native Americans. And I remember me and my friends would travel to see her, we had to watch ourselves, because Hispanics would always get into fights with the Native Americans. it was almost like a gang thing, but not with them. Because they were never officially a gang for the most part, they just really hated Mexicans. I never really understood why, I just knew it had to do it with the past. But I just remember hearing how much they hated us, it’s interesting to know why.
@@joseguti928 They're not the same people, Mexicans are mestizos. European DNA in Mexico ranges from 56%-78% that doesn't sound like the same people to me.
They're not Españoles, yet speak Español. They're proud Mejicanos, yet listen to German/Austrian umpah music. Milanesa is a Mexican plate, yet is a German/Austrian plate calle schnitzel. Drink cerveza like its going to be illegal the next day, yet the Breweries were founded by Austrians and Czech immigrants. And carne al-pastor is Lebanese. Need more? I got a million of them. Talk about cultural appropriation.@@bconni2
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In Elementary School. One of my favorite books I checked out of the library several times was. Killer Of Death. It was about a young Apache boy. Who whitnessed the Feast Massacre. Some of his kin were killed there. Mangas Colorado was his cousin if I remember right. In the book Mangas's right hand still showed the scars from where he had once been torchered by the Mexican soldiers. It's been decades since Iv read it. Though it would be considered a children's book. I'd love to read it again. It talked of how he and his adopted brother a Mexican boy captured when he was an infant. Hunted ducks by sending decoys down stream past the ducks several times to get them used to it. Then putting a decoy on their head and slowly floating close enough to grab a duck. From what I understand Apache is another tribes name given to them meaning Enemy.Because of how they were treated. They adopted the name because they truly became the Enemy of everyone else near them.
Probably true the Apache have no descendants and or little/ No reservations because they chose to be warmongers and in the end they lost the great plains to the Comanchee
@@BernieSanders-bn5dk I'm pretty sure they have the White Sands Reservation and a couple of others. My Buddy Hawk R.I.P. had lived there as a child. I may be off on the name. But I'm sure he said he had lived on a Rez out in the S.W.
I really enjoy your videos and work my friend and also would like to point out the respect and acknowledgment you give to each tribe/band etc you talk about, it’s good to get these stories out there so their not forgotten, both good and bad, atrocities and mundane. Much respect.
I am Mexican/Spaniard I Married a Full blooded Apache Woman and we know our Ancestors History we are very Happy Togerher and Have a Beautiful Daughter now 27 Graduating from Humboldt College this Might be History But in our tribe /Family there is only love and understanding I Think Of my Daughters Blood Line It Is Very Strong We Have Been to the Apache Indian Reservation and Spoke With the Elders They say The Crown of Her Head Where my Daughters Hair Parts Shows A Distinction of a Apache Princess I thank you for your video but to me it has no truth in the way we live today some people hold on to hatred from the past and they keep reliving it others Look To The Future and learn from the past
I had been aware of the hatred of Mexico by Apaches in general and Geronimo in particular, but appreciated the in-depth look at this. Fort Pickens, which held Geronimo's people, is now partly underwater. I had visited it in my youth; it is at the western end of Santa Rosa Island, southeast of Pensacola. The climate shock alone must have been rough, and the bellowing of alligators must have been quite disturbing. I'm looking forward to that video on the bronco Apaches.
I'm glad you are sharing my peoples history. I am a Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache that lives in NM. My grandmother Evelyn Martine was the last Chiricahua Apache born as a US prisoner of war in Ft Sill in 1912. She was the great granddaughter of Victorio and Mangas Coloradas. She passed away in 2006 and like my mother was a full blooded Warm Springs Apache from the Gila area in NM. Her father was US Chiricahua Apache scout Charles Martine Sr who w Kayitah and Lt. Charles Gatewood found Naiche and Goyathlay (this is correct Apache pronunciation) in the Sierra Madres in 1886, to begin the rest of their lives as US prisoners of war till 1913.
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6:40 My family participated in scalp hunting in Coahuila, starting in July 1850. They mostly hunted Mescaleros, Lipan and Comanches, but I'm not sure which band it was
I feel like the Apache have none but themselves to blame here. The Spaniards obviously wanted a peaceful resolution and when you keep on attacking them this is what happens. The Spanish were fooled into a conflict with the Comanche by them, after trying peace. And then when beaten into submission the Apache were given a second chance - but went back to their old ways and kept on the aggression.
Yes because Apache defending their homeland is inconsiderate to the Spaniards. What a dumb fuck excuses. Not to mention Apache still remained unconquered even after Spain left Mexico.
@@sergiomontesdeoca5983most tribes did that. That was the norm, which is why they were nomadic. But none of them was conquering others subjugating them imperially, then committing genocide till they were almost no more.
@@Sswat19100 you’re right. However the nomadic lifestyle for the world went out starting about 9-10k years ago. It just did not fit in the 19th century anymore. Only in parts of America & Africa did that apply.
More excellent history facts. I like the Apache stories. Growing up in Arizona the 60's&70's they really never divulged to deeply into native American history. And more about the conquering of the country. Thank you much 🤠👍
@@thechiefwildhorse4651still out riding the planes. Raiding, robbing, murdering and living in a teepee or wikiup. Like brave worriers did before they were conquered.
Some 40 years ago, I read the book mentioned here, "Geronimo His Own Story" edited by Barrett. The thing that sticks out in my memory the most, is Geronimo's bitterness and spite against Mexicans. He eventually became something of a celebrity, in a promotional photograph seated in a 1905 Cadillac.
All native tribes were at war with each other constantly. This is just one of the stories. We’re all of the same land and the same people, just different circumstances.
@@ewellfossum I would love the opportunity, I lived in Arizona a majority of my life, but I always thought it would be offensive as a white guy to pursue the history of others when the wound of the past are still fairly open.
There's a fascinating book, "The Comanche Empire", by a Norwegian or Finn, I think; details 1700-1850 more or less. It's when I began to understand the clashes between Indians and Europeans, when both sides became rational intelligent human beings. Before then (my ancestry is close to 100% English) both sides has been just fuzzy mysteries as to motivations.
@@TheArizonaRanger. When I was young we had many of the old ones were that were still living and things were taught to the young people about traditional plants, medicines, and our history. Some of these old ones were prisoners of war and I had a profound respect for them. I myself grew up with Geronimo's great grandsons, he had 6 or 7 that lived close to my grandmother, she herself was a great granddaughter of Victorio and Mangas Coloradas. When I teach my kids how to hunt that's when strategies and stalking tactics of being Apache are used.
I have thought about it. It has been requested a bunch of times so I know there is interest. Creating a narrative about it is a doozy. I am doing one on the fall of the Comanche when I finish the Apache series. That will cover a lot of that aspect. Maybe something more in depth would be fun if I can fit stories into it. thank you.
Was assigned as U.S Paratrooper to the 82nd Airborne Division as a young Man in the late sixties through early seventies, we used to cry out Geronimo as a battle cry when exiting our cargo planes in mass! Assume it made us feel immortal & unconquerable as Geronimo was!
I was born in Delicias Chihuahua. I can trace my paternal line to the 1740’s in the region south of Chihuahua city. The Raramuri or Tarahumara are the indigenous people Chihuahua is identified with, but there were many others who perished with Spanish arrival and who’s genes are present in the mestizo population like me, who is 30% indigenous of both Chihuahua and Coahuila native groups. Sad my ancestors couldn’t co-exist with the Apaches. “Ay Chihuahua, cuanto Apache.” Old saying.
Same us today's present time tarahumaras don t coexist. With. Chabochis. Is. The Way they call us To none native Nation full blooded. Apache was peace full but Spaniards during arrival with Franciscans. They started to push and invade the. Native people land and provoque them with classical Spaniards barbarian. Ways we are talking Hera in 1600 s. Way. Before Geronimo. Cochise and mangas coloradas Mezcalero chiricahuas. Mimbreno and other Groups of Apache . Mexico it's full native Nations Full blooded . Chihuahua was full of them in prehispánic.times. I claim yaki blood from sonora from paternal side 200 years. Black
Geronimo just hated or he just wanted to fight or combination of the two. I’m not really sure if who he was fighting was that important to him. The man fought Mexicans, Americans, other native tribes, and most importantly he fought his own damn people. He once went to an Apache reservation and forced the Apache of that reservation to leave and basically kidnapped a bunch of them as he needed warriors and they were going to fight for him weather they wanted to or not. I’m not impressed by Geronimo. I used to be as anyone who hears about a Native American warrior who lived a life of constant warfare and won fights despite crazy odds, survived things most couldn’t and seemed at first to fight for his people would be. But once I started studying the man it became clear that Geronimo was a great warrior who had balls so big I’m surprised he was even able to ride a horse. But it was also clear that Geronimo fought for one thing and one thing only. Himself That is not heroic or admirable in my opinion
Apaches were mainly hunters and needed more territory then most. The Aztecs were farming so they didn't need to hunt as much but were hated by all the other tribes because they were the best warriors and that hatred transferred from one generation to the next.
As a Mexican /American living in New Mexico, my Great, Great Grandfather was Jicarilla Apache and lived in the later half of the 1800''s. So these stories , some of which I've heard before, are interesting to me.
@@ajax1331True. I know a Mexican that swears he's 1/4 "Arama-poo" Indian but he has no way to verify it besides his Indian underwear that's always creeping up a trail according to him 🤮
Alcohol and Alcoholism was and still is the Apache achilles heel...Jason Betzintes who was Geronimos cousin writes this in his autobiography I Fought With Geronimo...which btw is an exoneration of the first Carlisle School which he attended...and loved....the Athebasken Genome lacks an enzyme that processes alcohol...
Regarding scalp bounties, bounty hunters could recognize Apaches (they generally wore red headbands) they just knew to steer clear because the chances were high of losing their life. Rather they hunted other peaceable tribes or targeted women, children, or the elders that couldn't put up as much of a fight but had long hair that would be acceptable for a scalp. A dozen Apaches on the warpath would strike fear to surrounding settlements. Guerilla tactics, outnumbered but still dominated.
I think the lesson to be learned behind the providing-the-rations-to-neutralize-their-threat is something people do who fashion themselves smart. They don't realize they're trying to domesticate other people. Make them dependent. When the rations stop flowing, the people are rejected and of course, the threat returns. So really smart people would not give away stuff for free in order to keep others in order.
My great-grandmother used to live on Sonora, Mexico around ~1880. She told me that her ranch was attacked by the apaches and that they stole all the cattle. However, they were able to survive due to one Indian woman helped them to recover one cow.
They ran the same kind of Rackets in Iraq.
That's kinda funny cause one of my ancestors might have been the one to attack yours
Great grandmother? May your great, great grandmother.
She wasn't alive to tell you that story.
Had to be the yaqui indian.
@@camlee4562how is that funny?
@@sylvesterjacinto1666 cause of coincidence
My ancestors fought against the Apache in Chihuahua, the hate against the Apache still runs deep in some families in northern Mexico.
As in southern states in America
Against the Mexicans
This is all new to me. Never heard of us natives from Mexico hating natives from the north.
@@carrasco2011sc then your family isn't from Northern Mexico or have been living in the north long enough, back in the 1700s and 1800s most families in Chihuahua were immigrants from Spain or indigenous such as the Taraumaras or Raramuris that also hated the Apaches.
@@RL-zy1zh I am not from the North, soy indigena mixteco de Oaxaca. 100% mixteco.
A real person narrating and in a normal voice too. That's become a real novelty!
I tell stories how I talk to my friends. I appreciate that people can enjoy that. Thank you.
I know right. I immediately click off videos when I hear an AI voice.
One of the best things about this channel, no weird VO or TV voice! It's just a guy talking.
@@datesanddeadguys You should have been a history teacher. Instead of dusty names and dates, you somehow fill it all with life and make it all understandable and palatable. Thank you, sir.
Thank you. My day job is a history teacher.
Wow, my Mexican grandpa would always talk about how ruthless Apache warriors were (respectfully) and I always thought, “What does he know about American Natives” …this was eye opening
As an Apache my grandma told me Mexicans would circulate this story where an Apache child was captured and placed to a Mexican family and how they chewed their own wrist veins to kill themselves and avoid being captured. Is this true? The circulation of the story not the story itself, or both of you have insight
Esa matanza según se dice fue fue hecha por los Estados Unidos y ganó comprobarse que fueron ellos le echaron la culpa al ejército mexicano y así siempre ha sucedido lamentablemente siempre Estados Unidos se sale con la de usted la de ellos pero nunca ha sido así de hecho de hecho muchos apaches siempre tienen el apellido español y siempre se la llevaron muy bien con el mexicano ya hacían muchas cambios de cosas y
De semillas y de muchas cosas de pieles hacían intercambios con los mexicanos cuando los estadounidenses llegaron fueron los que dañaron esa relación
The History de this guys talking is Life and live and live before day people from the United States came to america's en d'alpage was friend daylux 6 people are the ones that always making back things to our people we know that you this days
Yeah, it's almost in living memory for some...
Your Grandpa? 😂 How old is he anyway??? 😂
Wow. As a Mexican I never understood why our people would use the term “Apache” as a derogatory word.
True
Cause fuh em 😂
Wait are you talking about Tacuache? I've never heard a Mexican say the word Apache ever
@@dabearsbriggs55ur not with your gente foo that’s why your like no sabo cuh
@@dabearsbriggs55i think its more of a northern mexican term, its like saying indio
As a full blooded Apache from the white mountain Apache tribe in Eastern Arizona, I recommend reading “Apaches: Eagles of the southwest.” Where I learned much more about my own tribe than what was taught to me in public school. Ashóóge (thank you) for making this video on my people.
Dude,I'm 62 years old,before I get too old I want to visit your country,walk the land of your ancestors,to look into the eyes of an Apache, before I die,peace brother
Only my great-grandmother was Apache. She is in a picture in an Arizona museum. Apparently, she is from the lineage of Cochise. I never felt like my Mexican relatives. I always felt like they were not my people. When I first started seeing Apache videos. I felt this was who I was like. And this was before I realized the largest percentage in my blood came out as Apache..... I appreciate my Apache brothers. Stay strong.
Viva Las Vegas, vivaaaaaa Las Vegas!!
@@tonytony6912Weird you can't have a "tribal blood quantum" that doesn't exist
@@tonytony6912mamon😂
As a Mexican /American 🇲🇽🇺🇸 it's always good to learn about our history the good the bad and the ugly. Great clip.🔥🎥🔥
Yessir
Same here American of Irish Mexican decent love these overlooked parts of history.
@@kevinyoung947 el pinche canelo
@@deadbol8090 lol I look a lot more Mexican then he does
Woke people always talk about the white man Americans being evil but Mexico.and many other latin american counties were way more brutal towards natives even to this day.
I grew up in Baja California, close to Sonora, I remember yelling Geronimo whenever I would do crazy shit as a kid. I never knew why, until now. Thank you and great video!
Us too!
😂
@@eeddssoonn1989 I’m from
Hermosillo and I lived in Mexicali , they got different natives in Baja .there’s about 7 natives tribes in Sonora, Mexico and I heard some Apaches mixed with others natives to avoid persecution in the border by Fronteras , Agua prieta Sonora & Chihuahua.
That's not why you yelled it. Paratrooper's yelled that before jumping.
When you hike the same mountains the Apache lived in, you start to realize how tough the environment made them.
True, also how we were raised back in the day literally molded us into animals in a non derogatory way. In the way you can tell a wild wolf's eyes are different than a domesticated one.
Hunter gatherers can walk forty miles a day. That's why it was next to impossible to defeat them militarily. The terrain would wear on soldiers and horses were little help. But quantity is its own quality so both sides decided to negotiate.
Any water sources in those areas?
That's the thing about nature.
It'll provide you with everything that you need for survival, as long as you know how to utilize it properly but that same environment will toughen you up.
@sage1682 yes, I get what you mean. We are tho, my grandfather could tell the time by the sun.
At least, when I was a kid, people in Sonora had the saying: "seems like the apaches were here", when referring to a mess, like a teenager's room.
Esta en la loteria tambien
Lol, my mom would say something similar too, lol. ❤❤❤
Ahaha
In Russia we say "as if Batu-khan has passed through" when referring to a mess
@mihanich 🤣 that's funny too.
I think this has become one of my favorite channels.
Likewise 🤟
Me too
Jeronimo was not a hero. He was a renegade and led his people into constant war and famine. The Natives were extremely stubborn and refused to settle and practice ranching or agriculture....
Myself as well.
I’m currently reading a book due to past videos and just bought one because of this one.
@@alfonsoamador958 cool
The historian Paul Andrew Hutton wrote in his book that the Apache didn’t scalp cause it was taboo to touch a dead body but they would filet skin off people while still alive.
That is true it ruins their medicine
That is true man being skinned alive is scary
I always have had a longing to know more about the past as a Mexican American. Thanks , this channel is gold
From one Texan to another, I can't help but wonder why they didn't teach us this in school? This is absolutely fascinating.
Mexican American. yes
@@Sciviiasprobably cuz it wasnt part of American history
Lol if you want to really know the truth about the American and Mexican war and don’t listen to the perspective of the white man. You’ll hear the other side to in Mexico.
I love these series/stories. Im currently looking at a lot of native american history and civilizations related topics and history and these are really well done and interesting. Keep going and good job.
They're not native. They came from Europe and Asia, just like us, and had originally settled a long way from where we encountered them.
Thank you. I have enjoyed researching and making them.
@@formwiz7096
No we are INDIGENOUS.
Long before Caucasians were created from swine.
-COMANCHE NATION
My grandfather is Apache and my grandmother is Mexican indigenous and it’s interesting this video.
Same here!
Not really many of us are half mexican half TO half mexican half Yaqui in tejas alot of chicanos are half camanche its the white boys(cherokees) who are always trying to start some sht we all eat beans tortillas and 🫔 tamales stay strong my desert people💪🏽🌵
Beautiful mix ❤
I have recently started researching about the Apache history and I found this video very informative, thank you! My great, great grandmother was an Apache women taken hostage as little girl when her tribe was attacked and killed by a group of Mexican men during the scalp bounty.
The Apache made war with everyone they encountered, Indians, white men, or Mexican. They also took slaves as most Indian tribes did.
And Chinese workers
Yeah they not are loyalty to anyone cut throat. Feed them and then cut the hand that fed them and want to rob those that extended mercy towards them selfish to the fullest Me and only me. That’s why they beefed .No one digs people like that. Petty!! Then they cry of the injustice towards them. Child like. Like a infant who has never been disciplined. You reap what you sow homeboy.
also the spaniards
@glenros516 in war everyone usually takes slaves though many african wars and tribes keep rivals slaves like women or kids. Ive seen it personally
Yup they had any slaves, Mexicans,black,whites.
Years ago I found a report (I believe it was a part of a census) that listed the cause of deaths in what was then the NM Territory, Lincoln County specifically. The majority of Anglo deaths were listed as caused by various diseases. The vast majority of "Mexican" deaths were listed as "by Indian". This video gives insight on why that may have been the case. Thank you for more great content!
Hard times man. I can’t imagine what it must have been like to go to bed at night or out in the fields during times like these.
Just imagine what it would be like going to sleep.
You have your wife and 3 kids in the same room as you .Maybe you have a hired hand and his wife in a lean two next to the house .
I don’t think I could sleep until 1914 ,every pop,creak and snap and bodily noise would have me on hyper alert.
@@datesanddeadguys
Probably felt like the nazis were invading to INDIGENOUS FAMILIES trying to survive the invasion?
There is a mass grave of 60k Comanche Women and Children murdered by Caucasian families still alive in the area
-COMANCHE NATION
-COMANCHE NATION
@@richardputz3233
Are we talking about Indigenous Families having to hide from the invaders or what?
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 you have a valid point. Maybe you could find the answer to your question by asking the Lipan and Kiowa Apaches that were displaced by the Comanches?
This video was my introduction to your channel and I subbed instantly. Saw another person mention the fact you speak in normal tone and have your own way of delivering the information. Outstanding, cheers to you man well done
I am Apache and honestly after learning history from both our perspective and the western world’s perspective I’ve gathered that we were problematic to everyone we encountered back then. It’s said that we came from up north in the Alaska/Canada area of the Americas. We terrorized the existing tribes that were already here. Neighboring tribes have stories about what my ancestors did to theirs. It was for survival and battle for resources. When the settlers from the U.S. and Mexico moved in our areas it threatened our control over resources which is why we went to war. Now today we are American citizens and fight the same battles against inflation and other issues together. Today Mexicans are some of our biggest friends and allies. I am expecting my first child with an el sinaloense. I will teach her about both her people and hope she will enjoy the food and cultures of both. How times have changed but not changed.
Mescalero Apache, I'm very, very happy to hear your love being passed on.
My distant brother, we are unbreakable 💪
If your child is born with a blue spot, she is considered a true blood. Most of what was written about us is untrue, as they are accounts from people from Western Society, and not our culture. We never came from Alaska, that is a myth. We came from the Warm Springs cave in New Mexico from the time of the flood, Before that, these were our lands as was for the Dinay people our cousins. There are some that did come from the northern cave, but then it is also true south of the Apacherias, we had people migrate towards us. The assumption of us coming from Alaska is based upon us speaking Athabaskan, and the faulty Berengia theory. We never came from Asia, our origins are from the Americas. Athabaskan was a Northern spoken language going back at least 45, 000 years. So it was spoken by many groups spanning from the four corners going all the way up into Saskatuan Territory. It was one of the oldest languages outside of the ones spoken in the Southern Americas. Traces of our language can be found in Chineses, Japanese, Polynesian, and Tagalog. This is proof of sea-faring before younger dryas going from east (Americas) traveling West into Asia. So certain Asian groups are descendant from Natives and are tied to the Americas.
@@nrgpirate I’m sorry but I didn’t just wake up one day and read some of the information I shared then repost it. Apaches being from Alaska (well my tribe at least) is actually something that my mother was told by Apache elders in our tribe. The stories about Apaches were shared with me by members of other neighboring tribes. Whether Apaches or Natives in general came from Asia or vice versa is up to your interpretation. Not taking my argument that far.
@@Paquito-wz6eg If you had read my comment, I had said that some of the migrations into Apacheria were from the north, but they are not from Warm Springs Cave, they are later migrations, the same as from the south migrations to the north. This is what we say as Ndee' Hadaska or Ndee' Yahudah. Dinay have similar tails of migrations to become Dinay. Apaches were NOT a singular group of people. This is why some had clans, and some didn't. Some had stories from the north, and some from the south, and some originating from the Warm Springs cave. I had several Apache elders confirm this, including my grandparents before they died. Everything I have mentioned is verified both in the paleo-linguistic record, the anthropological record, and archeological record. It shouldn't upset you at all. It should make you proud, because being Apache is more than the surface of what most people know. As far as what you called the interpretation of Native Asiatic descent, I had done the research, it isn't an interpretation, it science fact, one that Western Society wishes would go away. Feel free to mention to your elders about the blue spot. They will tell you the truth. Peace Shikasen.
@@nrgpirate Judging by how long your comment is it seems as though you’re the one that is upset.
I admittedly have only been watching the Apache related videos, but I absolutely love them!!! It saddens me that I have to learn about my family history this way, but something tells me you'll be covering the cause of that in the next video.
Piecing my history together is heart breaking once you realize why we don't know it.
You're not going to learn anything, with this shitty, and inaccurate video!!!.
I stumbled upon your channel while watching historical videos about the Native Americans. My wife is half Cherokee, and my fascination continues to expand after learning from her family. Anyways, as someone who almost never comments on videos, I just felt like saying I really enjoyed all of the Apache videos and hope to see more relating to the Native American history. Great job on the research as well! You briefly touched on Cochise in one of the videos, but his full story is really interesting. If you decide to continue with the Apache, may I suggest a few additional names to cover - Magnus Colorados, Victorio, and Lozen (Victorios sister I believe)
I have one more on the Apache coming out Saturday. It’s on the Broncos but a lot of folks have requested Mangus Coloradas. That is one I would really like to do. Maybe I’m not done. Thanks for the feedback.
This brutal feud is flawlessly narrated and depicted by Cormac McCarthy in his prime novel “Blood Meridian”
That focuses on the scalp hunting industry where Mexico paid for Apache scalps
Of course scalp hunters weren’t particularly discriminating
Black hair and pink scalp being hard to determine in origin
I thought that book was about bison
@@Mig02597you might be thinking of Butcher’s Crossing
Thanks 😄
Ive been enjoying your content glad to someone closer to my age doing this, keeping amazing history like this alive for the current generation
Super interesting! As an Apache woman myself, my grandmother's family was mixed with Spanish by the end of the 1800s, and my grandfather's were full-blooded Apache so I got to get both perspectives of their history. My grandmother's side was definitely more mestizo in food, culture and they spoke Spanish as their first language. Ironically my grandpa's side learned Spanish in the 20s and 30s to pass as Mexicans as there was so much racism directed at Indians in California at that time, but not so much towards Mexicans.
Idk where you heard otherwise but Mexicans have always been oppressed in USA… it’s just not spoken about like the Natives and black… because we don’t complain and wait for handouts
@@johnathanperez1135 they lived in Mexican-majority neighborhoods in California, where signs said no dogs, no Indians allowed. And they never had handouts, they left reservations before government benefits were even a thing, none of my family is registered natives and we have never received any benefits. My family were all hardworking military veterans and proud Americans. So yes the discrimination directly towards Indians was a real thing in their day but they surpassed it. Nobody said Mexicans have never experienced racism in this country either. It's not a competition.
Without the We the people of America would be eating shit food out of can & living n a shit behind the boarder
@@LukanorPridenobody likes Indians in any continent in any country. Mexicans are super racist to native Americans to this day. It is very well documented and there are countless videos on RUclips talking about the discrimination they face in Mexico. But then Mexicans wanna turn around and claim "Aztec pride" while hating them in their backyard.
@@johnathanperez1135if yall are so oppressed tho the border into your homeland is right there 🙏🏿
Brilliant! I could not stop watching! Huge Respect from Australia🇦🇺👊🇦🇺❣‼️
I, today, just discovered your channel, and have binge watched 10 videos this morning thus far. Your stories are compelling with great presentation. You have earned yourself a new subscriber. Thank you for the education, and please keep up the good work.
Funny, since Apaches were not only in the USA side but also on the Mexican side. Today many mexicans from the mx-usa border areas are of Apache descendance, not Aztec, neither Mayans but APACHE. The mexicans you're referring to are really the Mexicans of Spanish descent, not the average Mexican, such as the mestizo, which account for 80% of the mexican population today.
And Mestizos are half Spaniard, so wth are you talking about?
Your not smart
Exactly @@MachaeraMX
@@MachaeraMXhe doesn’t know 🤣
@@MachaeraMXnot always true, Mestizos can be 50-50, 60-40, 70-30, etc.
I encourage everyone who likes this particular video to go read “Blood Meridian” by Cormac McCarthy. This book gives a detailed first person account of what life was like between the Mexicans and Apache Indians. Good read.
You reminded me to finish the audio book…
It is my favorite book but also read Life Among The Apache by Grenville something.
There isn't much writing on their day to day lives especially the settlement of Bylas but this book is about a dude who lived with them for several years and gained their trust which is so hard to do.
"A first person account" of a feud between Apache and Mexicans written by a white guy? Doesn't pass the smell test to a jaded person with an ounce of common sense/street smarts.
Blood Meridian is not a first person account. It is a great book.
Blood brother is a good book
I had two Mexican ancestors killed by the Apache. One in 1852 and the other in 1776. Very interesting video
He wasn't mexican in 1776 he was spanish
@@nelsonr1467no, they were Mexican there is a near zero chance either of them ever saw Spain
@user-cz2ih5rj1t No. They are Spanish citizens within the Spanish empire. The Mexican state did not exist. The Mexican identity did not exist. Your American Masonic ideals haven't reached New Spain yet.
@@nelsonr1467 Mexico had an indigenous population my dude. Much of which didn't interbreed with the Spanish even if they took on many aspects of Spanish/European civilization.
@planescaped You do realize Spanish came from Spain right and not Mexico right? The Mexicans who was fighting the apache/commanche was spanish bred with south and Central natives. There was no Mexicans before the Spanish. Like do a little research
Good history work on Geronimo, Apache and Mexico feud. Thanks for all your work you're doing on Dates and dead Guys.
Thanks for watching. I am trying to put together good content. I love that people have been enjoying it.
I come from Mexican-Apache bloodlines. Can tell you how proud of my lineage I am. I’m an Arizona native and my ancestors come from this land. Even before this was the US. Proud of my brown skin.
Thank you for showing history as it was.
Epic
This is a interpretation
-COMANCHE NATION
I really like this and the prior video about the Comanche. Often Indian history is oversimplified and doesn't portray the some of the most humanizing aspects of history.
history is written by the victors
@user-lb9wj6qy2pDo they own casinos over there?
Why do yall keep letting white people tell you about you
@@freebirdjackson5511
Are people in India on concentration camps put there by Caucasians?
-COMANCHE NATION
Indians, what r u talking about I dont see no rejaj as a native
I was born in chihuahua my middle name is geronimo my dad's name is geronimo and my grandfather's name is geronimo. I've never really learned about the apache until I moved to the u.s. only native tribe I know about in Mexico are taraumaras.
There’s a lot of native tribes in chihuahua
so that would make you Geronimo^3
YEs mexicans never liked the indios. Just like american history, mexicans had a very brutal history against natives.
I met a Tarahumara chick at a Harley dealer. Knew she definitely was not Mexican. Maybe a little black? She said guess. I said Apache. She said Tarahumara. She was damn fine. My stepdad was Tarahumara, and the black girls thought he was black. Poor guy. Some dude spit in his face and called him that word. Mom had to latch onto him. He did three tours as a machine gunner in Korea.
I'm White Mountain Apache. Still alive, thriving, and appreciable of my own culture in spite of many foreign cultures showing up in the U.S. lately. I'm glad you are sharing our history, which not many people know of. Now, I'll show it to my East Asain friends who have a hard time trying to understand that Native Americans are not Mexicans.
How do feel about Mexicans saying that they are natives/indigenous?
WHAT?!?!?!?!? Your friends are trippin!!! Next time they say something that asinine, tell them that they might as well believe that Chinese, Japanese, and Korean are the same!
@@daheneral1459 there is some truth to that. We are heavily mixed with Indigenous/European blood. I myself am 53% indigenous with the rest being other European roots according to my DNA test. I don't claim to be Indigenous however bc it is not the culture I was raised in.
@daheneral1459 I don't feel anyway about it. There's still a lot of Apaches who live in Mexico and still practice the old traditions and ceremonies. Also, the stigma around being indigenous isn't as pervasive as it was a century and a half ago. Furthermore, I know some Mexicans whom I'm friends with appreciate the culture and participate in some of the ceremonies.
@@ApacheKaiju04 Technically nearly all Native Americans came from Asia anyways so you might be actually distant cousins with the Chinese, Japanese, Korean or even Malaysians of old who might have crossed the land bridge or got shipwrecked. Its crazy to see Asians today that look just like Native Americans and yet everyone still assumes we are different. We are all brothers and sisters from the beginning of time when God created Adam and Eve. Yet because of skin color or different shapes of body parts we begin to judge each other. its shameful.
There are Apaches still in Mexico also..those that went south when the border was made and stayed there..they came tot San Carlos reservation years ago to connect with their roots and other Apache tribes..like a long lost siblings kind of thing...they are not recognized in Mexico as indigenous but they dress and look like Apaches in the US
México does not recognize any of Indigenous, Iam Apache and Jaqui ancestry. No Self Respecting Mexican, especially of Native Decent should call themselves Mexican.
Well I can see from the video why Apaches are not recognized in Mexico. I can see why.
@El_Chaquetas none of them are recognized lol The people are not even recognized in that corrupt Gov
The Apaches refusal to adapt and evolve from raiders to farmers was their ultimate undoing.
Wtf do you hear yourself. More like since they decided to to not take their ideology and religious form of life that's was being force on them.. just like now we are being forced on that sick ass trans ideology.. They even got their own form of explaining something that can't be explained..
My great grandma was Apache and my great grandpa from Mexico "stole" her or she was acquired to be his wife. My family has no evidence of this but has been handed down in stories. They were both born in the 1890's so this was still going on at that time. She spoke Spanish as well as an Apache language but only taught it to her eldest son, my great Uncle. She had 3 children in Mexico (that survived) and then emigrated to the US and had 3 more children.
De donde eres hermano?
Lmao if i had a dollar everytime i hear my grandma was stolen or my grandma was a cherokee princess lolits all BS
aint nobody stole her lol she just wanted that mexican chorizo and tried it and couldnt go back to her rez
@@carlosm.3426 mexico is the rez
Bullshit story. You're not apache. Too many mexican Americans say this same story.
This was such a great informative video. Very well done. You earned a subscription my friend, thank you
Great information. The Mexican military had a very brutal history against all Indians in Mexico. The Yaqui’s in the state of Sonora in the 1870’s were still without horses in any useful force and mostly using arrow to battle the military, were beat to submission mercilessly.
Sent to be slaves in the Yucatan
Still killed iirc during early 1900s by Mexican army
I hope he covers the Yaqui at some point
My grandmother is Yaqui and told me all the messed up history. I as we’ll hope he makes a video on them as It would be nice to show to friends
That's what I mean the government was brutal against yaki from Sonora and the Mayans lacandones. Porfirio dias the dictator. Fir more than 30 years on power .
True and before them the Aztecs to other indigenous nations
Yakis are warriors and are still around!
It's good to see some history covered that hasn't already been covered a million times on RUclips
I thought you gave a good presentation of this particular chapter that, like other significant parts of the story, are left out and forgotten. I had read in other historical pieces how the Apaches and Mexicans were mortal enemies, which sort of goes against common narratives and concurrent malfeasance in education and voluntarily ignorance. There’s so much more to the story. What I found especially interesting was how the Spanish ironically seemed to have the best bad policy toward the Apache. And Fredrick Russell Burnham said that the Apache were the best trackers - they taught him the art.
Yeah. We sucked far worse on our own in regards to the natives than when we were Spanish subjects. A big part of It was that 19th Century nationalism was built around the correlation of territory, state, people and language, so as any 19th Century country we went all in in our "Civilizatory mission"
Wow stumbled on this and completely blown away. History class was never this good!!!!
Hey there as a Jicarilla I would just like to say that you did a fantastic job. Oftentimes people like to conflate the idea that Mexicans are Apaches and that Apaches are Mexicans. This is not true there are Apaches in Mexico but they are not by ethnicity any other tribe but their own. More often people misunderstand the fact that being Mexican is not an ethnic identity but a nationality so they're actually are Apaches in the country of Mexico.
Yes! There is a kind of “manifest destiny”in Mexico like in the US. Many Mexicans feel like Mexico had the “right” to Conquer the Apache just like they had Conquered and Mexicanized most other native populations. I have never met a single Apache, Oodham, Yaqui, Comanche or any other southwest US Native American that ever considered themselves or any of there ancestral lands as part of Mexico.
Agree! Mexican is a nationality like American (U.S.), but there are people of different ethnicities/races that are Mexican (some indigenous, but not all the same tribe). As far as indigenous people of North America- different colonizer, but same struggle.
yes, exactly as the USA...colonial history always results in this melding of cultures and races...
Just found your channel today and it's absolutely fascinating!
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I'm a Brit and I know eff all about US history.
Learning a lot.
Thanks for all the hard work.
Love your content man. May I suggest considering adding subtitles with title words and major dates in bold? I believe it’ll help keep people even more engaged in your storytelling. Very interesting content!
I'm Mexican mostly Terahumaran and Tepehuan but like most Mexicans I'm Spanish too. My partner is Apache. I want to watch this with them now. Haha I love them so much!
I’m Apache and tarahumara
@@Hijadelviento9 Yay!!!!
Partner? What are you guys like cowboys together or somethin? Lol
@@sage1682Mountain Back Breakers😊? Like Little Horse on Little Big Man? To each their own. 😇
Apaches were always being raided by Navajo, Comanche, and even Wichita and Osage raided them, stealing their children whom they frequently used as food for the trip back to the Ozarks for the Osage. That is a long under reported truth but documented by Chouteau and others. Apache were forced out of the northern states along the high plains and then pushed into the mountains.
But but the colonizers were terrible lol
Do you have any sources for the Osage eating children? Sounds like an interesting read to say the least.
Talking out your ass...
We didn't need to eat people.
Plenty of buffalo and deer to eat lol
Do Caucasians eat the babies they kill in abortion clinics???
Sorry to ruin your European shade lol
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Yes and the Sioux and Seminoles as well
Thank you for sharing these historical facts and your analysts with us because this information is never discussed in academic institutions in neither the U.S. nor Mexico.
On my dad's side of the family, they originate from a small town called Moctezuma which lies in the mountains of Sonora, about 2 hours Northeast of Hermosillo. Legend has it that there were strict rules for the locals not to venture to the other side of the mountain which was Apache territory and they showed no mercy. Ironically, my grandmother who was born in the early 1900's was adopted as a very young child and not knowing where she came from, rumor has it she was either Apache or Yaqui. I recently did an Ancestry kit and my DNA came back 46% native to the Southern US/Northern Mex territory. Wish there was a way to do a DNA test that can help pin point which tribe... I'm intrigued by this video and it definitely compelled me to share a brief history of my family roots.
de echo an echo pruebas d ADN a varias tribus d México y todos tienen diferentes genes
I've read about the Apache before trying to learn this countries history better and they've always been interesting to me. Probably one of the more interesting things I've learned that made me wonder why Apache history isn't talked about more, love these videos.
Interesting, a part of history I never heard of previously. Good Job.
You should do a video on Moncacht-Apé of the Yazoo, or a series on Tecumseh. I think you would do a good job of honoring their stories.
It’s possible. I find stories like this super intriguing. There are a number of them in this sort of genre I would like to tell.
Why not go to the Tribal Nation that teaches all about Tecumseh?
Even Haskell Indian Nations University teaches about him and much more.
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WoW! My family is from Nogales, Arizona and Sonora, Mexico. I have always felt the deepest respect for Native Americans and that we must have Native American blood in our ancestry. I never knew about the wars with the Apache. Incredibly interesting and with Mexico owning such a large part of the US. Excellent presentation! New subbie :)
There are groups of Apaches living in northern Mexico in Chihuahua and Sonora they recently got recognized by Mexico and there culture is mostly preserved. Hopis Pimas and Yaquis have been recognized by Government for generations because the language group they speak is a dialect of Nahuatl the language of Rhe Mexcas (Aztec) The apaches did not scalp because they were never allied with France.
When did this happen? As far as all the info I looked up they are still not recognized by the Mexican government. That, although in Mexico, Apaches do not officially exist. Longoria, who is also a historian and academic, has been one of the main drivers for the recognition of his people in Mexican territory. This from 2021 and there is nothing I could find that supports your claim. Go any links or info?
My ancestors on both sides all came from Chihuahua ..traveled to northern New Mexico before it was a state ( currently Lincoln County ) and farmed until the late 1930s. Apache/Mexican/Spanish. A complete town (Rancho de Los Padillas) is named after my ancestors , (Schools , Judges , Citywide ) .
@@josevegagrimaldi4327 Yeah. I looked up the languages recognized by Mexico and none seem to be Apache languages. Weird.
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What about the Jumano people?
Recommended reading is the book “ Cronica de Un Pais Barbaro” which translates into Chronicle of a Barbarian Country. It is a journal of the Apache Wars from the Mexican perspective.
What an interesting piece of history. Was totally unaware of these fights between the two. This would make an awesome movie or show based on Geronimo.Thanks for sharing!
Mexicanos vs Apaches? I never heard this before.
Thanks for sharing 👍
I want to know more about Francesca. Killed a mountain lion with a knife? Married Geronimo? Has to have an amazing story.
Great video fantastic like always. Keep it up always solid story telling not same old stuff or stories if they our you add or tell them greatly thanks Bud 👍
Thanks for watching!
This is fascinating. As a Mexican American, that grew up in California, I remember as a young teenager I had a girlfriend that lived in a town that was full of Native Americans. And I remember me and my friends would travel to see her, we had to watch ourselves, because Hispanics would always get into fights with the Native Americans. it was almost like a gang thing, but not with them. Because they were never officially a gang for the most part, they just really hated Mexicans. I never really understood why, I just knew it had to do it with the past. But I just remember hearing how much they hated us, it’s interesting to know why.
Why hate thoe we basically are the same people they understand that
Stop saying Hispanics. Not all mexicans are hispanic
@@trollgeneral6624yes they are. Mexicans are mestizos. Not real Natives.
@@joseguti928they're not the same people.
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They're not the same people, Mexicans are mestizos. European DNA in Mexico ranges from 56%-78% that doesn't sound like the same people to me.
Liked and subbed!!! I learned so much!!! And I’ve put my decades in on this earth and I love the fact I can still learn stuff
This was an excellent video and damn did I learn a lot! Great work keep them coming!! Subbed
Awesome! Thank you. I have five others in this series. Check them out if you are into it.
As a Mexican, when I see an Apache, it’s on sight
Sgo den
Shut your mouth coconut 🥥
Kiss fight 👀 💋
Based!
There’s a lot of northern Mexicans who have been Europeanized by the Spaniards. Many of us don’t realize how native we really are
many of you also deny how Spanish you are.
They're not Españoles, yet speak Español. They're proud Mejicanos, yet listen to German/Austrian umpah music. Milanesa is a Mexican plate, yet is a German/Austrian plate calle schnitzel. Drink cerveza like its going to be illegal the next day, yet the Breweries were founded by Austrians and Czech immigrants. And carne al-pastor is Lebanese. Need more? I got a million of them. Talk about cultural appropriation.@@bconni2
@@Cucurú-c9v it's actually interesting, give me more
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@@Cucurú-c9vlmfao we descend from the Spanish and natives of course we absorbed their culture !! Nueva España baby you don’t like it too bad !
In Elementary School. One of my favorite books I checked out of the library several times was. Killer Of Death. It was about a young Apache boy. Who whitnessed the Feast Massacre. Some of his kin were killed there. Mangas Colorado was his cousin if I remember right. In the book Mangas's right hand still showed the scars from where he had once been torchered by the Mexican soldiers. It's been decades since Iv read it. Though it would be considered a children's book. I'd love to read it again. It talked of how he and his adopted brother a Mexican boy captured when he was an infant. Hunted ducks by sending decoys down stream past the ducks several times to get them used to it. Then putting a decoy on their head and slowly floating close enough to grab a duck. From what I understand Apache is another tribes name given to them meaning Enemy.Because of how they were treated. They adopted the name because they truly became the Enemy of everyone else near them.
Cool
Probably true the Apache have no descendants and or little/ No reservations because they chose to be warmongers and in the end they lost the great plains to the Comanchee
@@BernieSanders-bn5dk I'm pretty sure they have the White Sands Reservation and a couple of others. My Buddy Hawk R.I.P. had lived there as a child. I may be off on the name. But I'm sure he said he had lived on a Rez out in the S.W.
hello, apache here, we still exist.@@BernieSanders-bn5dk
I really enjoy your videos and work my friend and also would like to point out the respect and acknowledgment you give to each tribe/band etc you talk about, it’s good to get these stories out there so their not forgotten, both good and bad, atrocities and mundane. Much respect.
As a Mexican I’m glad we won this one.
Did you? That energy never left Mexico. Apache, Comanche, The Spanish! I weep hearing these stories
@@LadoEste9 its called remembering history
Yeah right 😄
Nobody really won.
Out numbered one million to one...yet N'daa the apache where far more superior in war fare...so I guess it was an even fight...lmao...
I am Mexican/Spaniard I Married a Full blooded Apache Woman and we know our Ancestors History we are very Happy Togerher and Have a Beautiful Daughter now 27 Graduating from Humboldt College this Might be History But in our tribe /Family there is only love and understanding I Think Of my Daughters Blood Line It Is Very Strong We Have Been to the Apache Indian Reservation and Spoke With the Elders They say The Crown of Her Head Where my Daughters Hair Parts Shows A Distinction of a Apache Princess I thank you for your video but to me it has no truth in the way we live today some people hold on to hatred from the past and they keep reliving it others Look To The Future and learn from the past
I had been aware of the hatred of Mexico by Apaches in general and Geronimo in particular, but appreciated the in-depth look at this.
Fort Pickens, which held Geronimo's people, is now partly underwater. I had visited it in my youth; it is at the western end of Santa Rosa Island, southeast of Pensacola. The climate shock alone must have been rough, and the bellowing of alligators must have been quite disturbing.
I'm looking forward to that video on the bronco Apaches.
I'm glad you are sharing my peoples history. I am a Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache that lives in NM. My grandmother Evelyn Martine was the last Chiricahua Apache born as a US prisoner of war in Ft Sill in 1912. She was the great granddaughter of Victorio and Mangas Coloradas. She passed away in 2006 and like my mother was a full blooded Warm Springs Apache from the Gila area in NM. Her father was US Chiricahua Apache scout Charles Martine Sr who w Kayitah and Lt. Charles Gatewood found Naiche and Goyathlay (this is correct Apache pronunciation) in the Sierra Madres in 1886, to begin the rest of their lives as US prisoners of war till 1913.
Thank you. Sources are scarce but I am doing my best to give as much of the Apache perspective in this series as I can.
@datesanddeadguys I'm also Menominee, Badriver Ojibwe and Norwegian from Wisconsin.
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My family participated in scalp hunting in Coahuila, starting in July 1850. They mostly hunted Mescaleros, Lipan and Comanches, but I'm not sure which band it was
I feel like the Apache have none but themselves to blame here. The Spaniards obviously wanted a peaceful resolution and when you keep on attacking them this is what happens.
The Spanish were fooled into a conflict with the Comanche by them, after trying peace. And then when beaten into submission the Apache were given a second chance - but went back to their old ways and kept on the aggression.
The Spanish really had no business in Apache territory.
@@JonDoe-mz4dxThe Apache went into everyone’s territory, they had no business there either.
Yes because Apache defending their homeland is inconsiderate to the Spaniards. What a dumb fuck excuses. Not to mention Apache still remained unconquered even after Spain left Mexico.
@@sergiomontesdeoca5983most tribes did that. That was the norm, which is why they were nomadic. But none of them was conquering others subjugating them imperially, then committing genocide till they were almost no more.
@@Sswat19100 you’re right. However the nomadic lifestyle for the world went out starting about 9-10k years ago. It just did not fit in the 19th century anymore. Only in parts of America & Africa did that apply.
More excellent history facts. I like the Apache stories. Growing up in Arizona the 60's&70's they really never divulged to deeply into native American history. And more about the conquering of the country. Thank you much 🤠👍
Who's conquered?
I have 2 sets of twins on this planet lol
STILL HERE
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@@thechiefwildhorse4651still out riding the planes. Raiding, robbing, murdering and living in a teepee or wikiup. Like brave worriers did before they were conquered.
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Still putting illegal Caucasians in their place yup!
HOKAH!!!
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In New Mexico our ranches were raided by the Apaches too, the Pueblo and Spanish settlers had a great hate for the Apaches
Some 40 years ago, I read the book mentioned here, "Geronimo His Own Story" edited by Barrett. The thing that sticks out in my memory the most, is Geronimo's bitterness and spite against Mexicans. He eventually became something of a celebrity, in a promotional photograph seated in a 1905 Cadillac.
As a Tejano, it’s good to know our history. Excellent video, very well told! Subscribed
All native tribes were at war with each other constantly. This is just one of the stories. We’re all of the same land and the same people, just different circumstances.
I know its littered in the narrative of your videos, but could you make a deliberate video on tactics and strategies of the Apache and Comanche?
You need to talk to those of us surviving Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache
@@ewellfossum I would love the opportunity, I lived in Arizona a majority of my life, but I always thought it would be offensive as a white guy to pursue the history of others when the wound of the past are still fairly open.
There's a fascinating book, "The Comanche Empire", by a Norwegian or Finn, I think; details 1700-1850 more or less. It's when I began to understand the clashes between Indians and Europeans, when both sides became rational intelligent human beings. Before then (my ancestry is close to 100% English) both sides has been just fuzzy mysteries as to motivations.
@@TheArizonaRanger. When I was young we had many of the old ones were that were still living and things were taught to the young people about traditional plants, medicines, and our history. Some of these old ones were prisoners of war and I had a profound respect for them. I myself grew up with Geronimo's great grandsons, he had 6 or 7 that lived close to my grandmother, she herself was a great granddaughter of Victorio and Mangas Coloradas. When I teach my kids how to hunt that's when strategies and stalking tactics of being Apache are used.
I have thought about it. It has been requested a bunch of times so I know there is interest. Creating a narrative about it is a doozy. I am doing one on the fall of the Comanche when I finish the Apache series. That will cover a lot of that aspect. Maybe something more in depth would be fun if I can fit stories into it. thank you.
Was assigned as U.S Paratrooper to the 82nd Airborne Division as a young Man in the late sixties through early seventies, we used to cry out Geronimo as a battle cry when exiting our cargo planes in mass! Assume it made us feel immortal & unconquerable as Geronimo was!
The Mexican Airborne say, A la chingaaaaaaaadaaaaaa, Hay Jay Jay Jay!!!!!😇
I was born in Delicias Chihuahua. I can trace my paternal line to the 1740’s in the region south of Chihuahua city. The Raramuri or Tarahumara are the indigenous people Chihuahua is identified with, but there were many others who perished with Spanish arrival and who’s genes are present in the mestizo population like me, who is 30% indigenous of both Chihuahua and Coahuila native groups. Sad my ancestors couldn’t co-exist with the Apaches. “Ay Chihuahua, cuanto Apache.” Old saying.
@@WXYZ9998 on the dna test it says it could be several, Coahuiltecan, Guachihiles, Alazapan, & others. No specific one given.
@@WXYZ9998 I’ve taken ancestry, Myheritage, and 23nMe. But only 23nMe was the one with the latest matching to native groups of regions in Mexico.
How accurately can they really trace native American lineages? I believe that like many things it could be biased
@teacherhomieg yo soy de la Sierra Madre , . . Saludos hemano....I got question for ...
Same us today's present time tarahumaras don t coexist. With. Chabochis. Is. The Way they call us
To none native Nation full blooded.
Apache was peace full but Spaniards during arrival with Franciscans. They started to push and invade the. Native people land and provoque them with classical Spaniards barbarian. Ways we are talking Hera in 1600 s. Way. Before Geronimo. Cochise and mangas coloradas
Mezcalero chiricahuas. Mimbreno and other
Groups of Apache . Mexico it's full native Nations
Full blooded . Chihuahua was full of them in prehispánic.times.
I claim yaki blood from sonora from paternal side 200 years. Black
Geronimo just hated or he just wanted to fight or combination of the two. I’m not really sure if who he was fighting was that important to him. The man fought Mexicans, Americans, other native tribes, and most importantly he fought his own damn people. He once went to an Apache reservation and forced the Apache of that reservation to leave and basically kidnapped a bunch of them as he needed warriors and they were going to fight for him weather they wanted to or not.
I’m not impressed by Geronimo. I used to be as anyone who hears about a Native American warrior who lived a life of constant warfare and won fights despite crazy odds, survived things most couldn’t and seemed at first to fight for his people would be.
But once I started studying the man it became clear that Geronimo was a great warrior who had balls so big I’m surprised he was even able to ride a horse. But it was also clear that Geronimo fought for one thing and one thing only. Himself
That is not heroic or admirable in my opinion
Apaches were mainly hunters and needed more territory then most. The Aztecs were farming so they didn't need to hunt as much but were hated by all the other tribes because they were the best warriors and that hatred transferred from one generation to the next.
@@mary-jvazquez6306 that is probably the dumbest take on both the Apache and Aztecs that I have ever heard. Congratulations
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great video! glad i found your channel.
As a Mexican /American living in New Mexico, my Great, Great Grandfather was Jicarilla Apache and lived in the later half of the 1800''s. So these stories , some of which I've heard before, are interesting to me.
Never consider yourself a Mexican if your ancestor was red skin, specifically this kind
Was he Apache? Or is that simply family folklore. Too many Mexican Americans like to claim they're apache with no proof or trial tie
@@ajax1331True. I know a Mexican that swears he's 1/4 "Arama-poo" Indian but he has no way to verify it besides his Indian underwear that's always creeping up a trail according to him 🤮
@@ajax1331 too many? In these comments is the first I’ve heard of it.
@@JH-ej2yt lots in New Mexico and Cali dude. It's nuts!
Cavalry: A group of horse-mounted soldiers. Calvary: The place where Jesus was crucified.
You opened a huge can a worms with this video. 😂 The comment section is hilarious AF. 🤣
My Mexican ancestor was buried in Morenci, AZ. Apparently was abducted for years by Victorio before being released and working at the mines.
Holy shit!
Great stuff, dude!
Alcohol and Alcoholism was and still is the Apache achilles heel...Jason Betzintes who was Geronimos cousin writes this in his autobiography I Fought With Geronimo...which btw is an exoneration of the first Carlisle School which he attended...and loved....the Athebasken Genome lacks an enzyme that processes alcohol...
Not just the Apache but many indigenous tribes weakness
Regarding scalp bounties, bounty hunters could recognize Apaches (they generally wore red headbands) they just knew to steer clear because the chances were high of losing their life. Rather they hunted other peaceable tribes or targeted women, children, or the elders that couldn't put up as much of a fight but had long hair that would be acceptable for a scalp.
A dozen Apaches on the warpath would strike fear to surrounding settlements. Guerilla tactics, outnumbered but still dominated.
You should do one about Charles Curtis the VP under Hoover. He was Indian and participated in raiding as a boy on the reservation.
Native not Indian that term should dissappear once and for all.
@@carrasco2011sc Charles Curtis referred to himself as Indian. I'll honor his preferences.
@@brendansherry8737 That name sounds very white but ok.
@@carrasco2011sc You should look him up. Very cool story, very cool life.
Even today, there is a saying in Sonora that says: "If you see an arrow coming your way, it ain't Apache. Because those, you never saw coming"
There is strong evidence that shows there were wild Apache in Mexico mtns up to the 1990s
I think the lesson to be learned behind the providing-the-rations-to-neutralize-their-threat is something people do who fashion themselves smart. They don't realize they're trying to domesticate other people. Make them dependent. When the rations stop flowing, the people are rejected and of course, the threat returns. So really smart people would not give away stuff for free in order to keep others in order.
The Europeans largely sucked at the practice of subjugation, which is surprising given the ancient records they had access to.
So Europeans are thieves?
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@@stephenkenney8290pretty sure coons got pacified
The Yaqui in the southwest endured the same thing by the Mexicans and the US military
Having read Blood Meridian, this is a very interesting video.
I am a Mexican Apache remember half of the land of the United States belong to Mexico
❤ You are Mexican