The way out of the 8-bar loop

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  • Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024

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  • @OscarUnderdog
    @OscarUnderdog  2 года назад +9

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    • @ProfessorSaibertin
      @ProfessorSaibertin 2 года назад

      I just realized you're similar to Shlomo (from the face) :D

    • @doggoremakes
      @doggoremakes Год назад

      Thanks for the tutorials!

  • @Alice-Efe
    @Alice-Efe 2 года назад +137

    Teaching in style and to the point! 💯

  • @T0WER
    @T0WER 2 года назад +127

    My problem is I get stuck in loops for so long that I start to hate the sound of my own creation, then start a new track thinking, "This time it will be different." It never is, lol. I'm going to try your strategy!

    • @Jam_Bon
      @Jam_Bon 2 года назад +5

      Same lol😂

    • @Elias-True
      @Elias-True Год назад +9

      This was painfully relatable lol

    • @DUniquemusic
      @DUniquemusic Год назад +4

      8 baar loops is life

    • @ryansturgiss4115
      @ryansturgiss4115 Год назад +3

      Ya you're not alone my friend me too no doubt about that.

    • @hekuli
      @hekuli Год назад

      I think then it's a good time to take a break and come back to it later :)

  • @louminati4318
    @louminati4318 2 года назад +330

    Mate I've been stuck at this point since 1990. LOL.

    • @robertreid8241
      @robertreid8241 2 года назад +13

      So have most DJs!

    • @frankstein7481
      @frankstein7481 2 года назад +9

      Me2😉 since rebirth to be precise

    • @don_huzan
      @don_huzan 2 года назад +2

      @@frankstein7481 whoooAoaoaoaoaoa

    • @1000sofusernames
      @1000sofusernames 2 года назад +18

      Feels. If songs were 12s long I'd have made it by now.

    • @3DJapan
      @3DJapan 2 года назад +2

      Really? I just figured I'd make variations on the loop, some with more instruments, some with less. I just listened to music and thought about what they were doing.

  • @colincromwell9355
    @colincromwell9355 2 года назад +14

    As someone who constantly gets stuck in the 8-bar loop this was immensely helpful!

  • @easytoassemble54321
    @easytoassemble54321 2 года назад +12

    Yes, I needed this. I tend to get locked into tunnel vision on my loops very easily, so having a "toolkit" like this is very good.

  • @MagnificentlyHighAlien
    @MagnificentlyHighAlien 2 года назад +9

    I've been caught up in overperfecting loops to the point of 'wtf is this'*delete*, and then repeat, for a frustratingly long time now. I've been following your tutorials since almost the beginning, I think, and so far your explainations are the most comprehensible out there. I'm using a free DAW which doesn't have fancy return busses, quick and easy MIDI to wav conversion and whatnot, but thanks to you the way you explain the stuff I can almost always figure out a way to make it work with what I have, for now.
    Also, fancy nails

  • @josepe217
    @josepe217 2 года назад +17

    Wow man, this info is so game changing for producers that are good beat makers but with no musical knowledge. Excellent

  • @HugoJL
    @HugoJL Год назад +5

    Love how these concepts apply to any genre

  • @LiquidGhaash
    @LiquidGhaash 2 года назад +1

    I am never going to do this, or create music at all. Yet i am still here and enjoying it greatly. Off to the next video!

  • @Luos_83
    @Luos_83 2 года назад +7

    I also like to do preverbs for this.
    Same steps basically, but invert the sound, then add a nice echo/reverb, freeze, flatten, and invert the sound again.

  • @arizonateagod8491
    @arizonateagod8491 2 года назад +18

    Another good tip to build a bit of tension and release is to introduce a couple notes in the break section of whatever your main melody of the “drop” is going to be. (I usually do like 2 or 3) and then once the “drop” comes introduce the full melody. Musical foreshadowing is very powerful

  • @ringtangting
    @ringtangting 2 года назад +11

    That's a serious loop, Oscar. Hope it will be a full track!

  • @peterelfman
    @peterelfman 2 года назад +7

    I've been playing a lot with reversed delays. They have a lot of the same emotional impacts as reversed reverb while adding rhythmic texture. For added bonus, reverse the thing you're delaying before you flatten the delay, so that when you reverse the flatten delay, it's playing "normally".
    Great video as always, Oscar!

  • @BaddBadger
    @BaddBadger 2 года назад +3

    Oscar doesn't just tell me what i need to know, but ever since i started following this channel he has told me those things exactly WHEN i need to know them!

  • @mccowncmKY
    @mccowncmKY 2 года назад +5

    Cleanest and easiest to understand tutorial I have seen in a long long time. I have so many loops and snippets of songs that I have created but can never bring together and get stuck and thus the project sits in a folder and on to the next. Looking forward to playing around with this and your other tutorials. Thanks for posting!

    • @persona83
      @persona83 2 года назад +1

      Yesterday I found myself adding a crucial part on a song that I started back in 2009. Never finished it of course but the part brought it to life and maybe it's time to do something. 😃

  • @gooneybird808
    @gooneybird808 2 года назад +15

    I was always afraid of the next step after the loop is made but the sooner you start to develop the song the more ideas you’ll get for tension instead of just adding more and more to the loop. Even spreading out a few core sounds will make you think of a direction to take the song.

  • @cookieintune
    @cookieintune 2 года назад +4

    I actually made a ver poor attempt in explaining it but oscar simply knows how to do it properly , gladly I could get out of it about one year ago , but it's so easy to get stuck and so so important for who is starting because it can be unmotivating to simply not being able to progress over a loop , thanks for the good reliable and useful info that we can apply right away to any daw thats really priceless 👍

  • @davidcarter3976
    @davidcarter3976 Год назад

    This man is an absolute geniusmake sure you buy his master course if you can afford it!!!

  • @albaby001
    @albaby001 2 года назад +1

    The best music teacher online.

  • @mukisajohnmary
    @mukisajohnmary 2 года назад +1

    Thanks uncle Oscar. Been taking nudgets of wisdom from your channel for a while now. Thanks for the good work

  • @movement6671
    @movement6671 Год назад +1

    Don’t even stop making vids mate. Whether pro, intermediate or beginner, your vid’s are always fun and educational 💪💪

  • @DARKbetweentheSTARS
    @DARKbetweentheSTARS 2 года назад +17

    Thanks again Oscar for sharing this! I really like how you explain all the stuff and you have gentle and calm voice I like listening to. For someone like me who unfortunately can't afford courses, your channel is really a reliable source where you can really learn a lot. I love you!

  • @sclr
    @sclr 2 года назад

    thank you! a LOT of dance music and even experimental and where they overlap is all about texture. this is a huge tip toward that idea/philosophy.

  • @ryansturgiss4115
    @ryansturgiss4115 Год назад +1

    You're a star thanks for that. im trying this right now.

  • @dagalost1949
    @dagalost1949 Год назад

    i was trying to figure this out for years, thanks a lot. You just got a new subscriber.

  • @washingtonbertrand5206
    @washingtonbertrand5206 Год назад +1

    Your videos are so powerful and so much fun. You get straight to the point in a way that is so much fun to follow. Thank you Oscar! Excited to see where my productions go with this!

  • @lesimprosdulezardvert1342
    @lesimprosdulezardvert1342 2 года назад

    Superb tutorial. Tension-release

  • @cornhusk
    @cornhusk 2 года назад +4

    Dude thank you 🙏
    You always seem to drop tips that are pertinent to exactly what I'm struggling with!

  • @Drinkyoghurt
    @Drinkyoghurt 2 года назад

    The best part about the explanations is how he's vibing to whatever he's listening to.

  • @vosguanekasparian9855
    @vosguanekasparian9855 2 года назад +11

    Thanks ! I'm always creating 8 or 16 bars loop but I'm too lazy to finish my songs. That's a good way to gain some time 😍

    • @EspenFrafalne
      @EspenFrafalne 2 года назад

      Same..! Lately i just started accepting that i suck at "progression", and try to make some enjoyable loops instead.

  • @kp8923
    @kp8923 2 года назад

    This is one of your best videos

  • @listencarefully23
    @listencarefully23 Год назад

    RUclips needs to create a love button

  • @MeneerSpijker
    @MeneerSpijker 2 года назад

    TY!
    I will most definitely check out your courses as soon as I have some money on the side.
    Just by seeing the value you bring for free and for your/our pleasure I can't (or can) imagine what your course has to offer.

  • @justinroberts7291
    @justinroberts7291 2 года назад +1

    Love the old reverse reverb tail trick. Been doing that since my days on the MPC 2000.

  • @SyntheticSan
    @SyntheticSan 2 года назад +1

    Love it. Will soon join your course. Always to the point 🖖

  • @standjers
    @standjers 2 года назад +2

    Nice one, Oscar! And love the nails and sweater color combo!

  • @paulred158
    @paulred158 2 года назад

    Oscar I genuinely hope you are making some serious money from your excellent videos. I wish you all the best. Such a great teaching manner with the natural talent to back up your demonstrations .

  • @alienbleeps
    @alienbleeps 2 года назад +1

    ❤️thx for this, I will try this on the machines

  • @jean-marcdecanter7719
    @jean-marcdecanter7719 2 года назад

    Thank you Oscar ! This kind advice help me a lot.

  • @bensch9459
    @bensch9459 2 года назад +4

    So clean and so effective. I have learned so many things from this man in a short amount of time. What is your approach for song structure when it comes to building a shorter song (~2 min) and a longer song (~6 min +)? Everything is relative, but how does your workflow differ in those situations?

    • @OscarUnderdog
      @OscarUnderdog  2 года назад +9

      If the shorter song is meant to be more radio-friendly, you might need to also think more about A sections and B sections, so making a verse and chorus that's quite distinct from each other, so in 2 minutes you change the musical story a lot.
      The longer a track is, the more you'll see a "linear structure" where the energy slowly builds over several minutes, and there are less chorus/verse style changes.
      That's my take on it anyway!

  • @FreehhZe
    @FreehhZe 2 года назад

    I didn't know how badly I needed this video until now

  • @fablesofsilence
    @fablesofsilence 2 года назад +1

    Love it as always - short and sweet.

  • @thesentry5679
    @thesentry5679 2 года назад +1

    This is such an amazing video. My mind has been blown

  • @DcJay85
    @DcJay85 2 года назад

    Short, sweet and powerful. thank you.

  • @zk351
    @zk351 2 года назад

    Excellent as always

  • @holgieselchen7033
    @holgieselchen7033 2 года назад +2

    Wahnsinn Alex, kannst Du Gedanken lesen? Exakt genau vor diesem Problem stehe ich gerade! Dank Dir bald nicht mehr aufgrund Deiner tollen Tipps! 👍 👌

  • @oldhom5038
    @oldhom5038 2 года назад

    That reverb trick is suuuper sick

    • @oldhom5038
      @oldhom5038 Год назад

      Oh my gawd guys all of my favorite RUclipsrs are trying to hit me up this is so crazy

  • @binarybotany3218
    @binarybotany3218 Год назад

    Hi Oscar! I got the basics pretty much down, but I'm really bad at mixing down and mastering. Do you advice your Foundations of Electronic Music 1 or 2? Thanks for everything, you're saving me so much time figuring this out on my own. 🙏🏼

  • @droopysnoopy3034
    @droopysnoopy3034 2 года назад

    TENSION and RELEASE 👁👄👁
    Top tier editing at 2:05

  • @thomasjamesyyz
    @thomasjamesyyz 2 года назад +1

    for reveresed reverbs, you can also add more reverb after reversing, or keep one none reversed version that you layer with the reversed, to have it 'crash' down, instead of just disappearing.

  • @andrelinzmaier1490
    @andrelinzmaier1490 2 года назад +2

    Awesome video as always! Sweet loop! Also, sweet lighting!

  • @andrew6889-p5c
    @andrew6889-p5c 2 года назад +1

    You good. Much appreciated.

  • @dirkstewart6069
    @dirkstewart6069 2 года назад

    The loop is dope, looking forward to the release!

  • @koalemos1679
    @koalemos1679 2 года назад +14

    I deal with the loop in 2 different ways. 1 is I just embrace the loop. I do music "dawless" meaning I group machines together instead of using a computer. How I can embrace the 8 bar loop is by using it like a DJ would. I make a bunch of 8 bar loops that all loosely go together and bam I got a set.
    2. I know if I'm making a full song I need at least two, preferably three, riffs per main part. 2 drum beats, 2 basslines, 2 melodies, bla bla bla. So instead of making a full 8 bar loop then moving on to the next part, I go ahead and write multiple parts per instrument. I'll write 2 basslines that play off each other, only then do I move on and do the same for the next instrument. The parts basically write themselves at that point.
    Thanks for giving us info instead of trying to pawn gear off on us like some music channels.

    • @dinshak86
      @dinshak86 Год назад

      I got myself an MC707...i am trying to structure myself.i make an 8 bar loop n then get stuck "what next"...a while passes and then I'm bored of it. So your saying with the 8 tracks on the MC 707 I can do 4 instruments x 2 variations of each?

    • @koalemos1679
      @koalemos1679 Год назад

      @@dinshak86 I don't understand the structure of the mc707 well enough to really answer that with much confidence.

    • @dinshak86
      @dinshak86 Год назад

      @@koalemos1679 it's a 8 track groove machine with 8 scenes (imagine Ableton)...any track can be a drum machine, instrument Synth or loope

    • @koalemos1679
      @koalemos1679 Год назад

      @@dinshak86 I know that much but how does the sequencer work? I'm interested to hear. I've seen some videos on it and it seems like it works like Ableton Live. You have 8 parts and their patterns are arranged in a grid. Can you change presets per pattern? How many different patterns can you have per part? These sorts of things would affect how I would go about things. Splitting your tracks is a good idea but don't forget that if you want a longer song you'll want to keep some parts similar in your A and B parts so it sounds cohesive. I usually keep drum and bass sounds the same but vary the patterns and choose one lead sound for the chorus, or drop, then choose a different lead sound for each verse, or build up. I've got a bunch of videos I made in January this year for Jamuary where I do this process a lot if you want some examples.

  • @supafly424
    @supafly424 2 года назад +1

    really helpful, thanks

  • @SellusionStar
    @SellusionStar 2 года назад +2

    Love your stuff Oscar!! Love you

  • @enensis
    @enensis 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks Oscar love your videos

  • @Jin-Hu
    @Jin-Hu Год назад

    Nice tip, sometimes a beat of silence before the release works great too

  • @PeterJoslynHarris
    @PeterJoslynHarris 2 года назад +1

    Another great video as always. Thanks so much.

  • @marandola12
    @marandola12 2 года назад

    Happy to see a Bry Ortega sample there, love his stuff and his live act is incredible

  • @Artes.Antorcha
    @Artes.Antorcha 2 года назад

    yeeeeeee!! i love when you read my mind! you are the original oracular spectacular! much thxs for that video oscar!!

  • @Nova_Afterglow
    @Nova_Afterglow 2 года назад

    Rev Revs are so dope to me that I gave them the cool shorthand rev rev. Whenever I have an element that kind of comes out of nowhere, rev revs are my go-to tool. They always sound amazing, and they really build the anticipation for the element I'm introducing.

  • @hydralicious9315
    @hydralicious9315 2 года назад +1

    Very nice. Thank you.

  • @jackasscz682
    @jackasscz682 Год назад

    Great video! Concise and clear musical explanation. Idea for a possible follow-up video: How to escape a seemingly infinite "sine wave" loop of 16 tension-release bars and create a song structure? If you already covered this, then I'm sorry for repetition. 🙂👍

  • @lupo8282
    @lupo8282 2 года назад

    Nice break-beaty groove Oscar! Sounds awesome

  • @meleyz
    @meleyz 2 года назад +1

    I love this channel.

  • @MikeH_PR
    @MikeH_PR 2 года назад +1

    Well that's that, then. I just signed up for the Foundations course. After years of tinkering it's time to go back to the start. Plus, I've been wanting to learn Ableton for a while.

  • @jasonbesant4074
    @jasonbesant4074 2 года назад

    This is such a great tutorial for beginners. Thanks so much!

  • @NateHorn
    @NateHorn 2 года назад +1

    As always a perfectly presented video 👏👏

  • @atanasstaykov8398
    @atanasstaykov8398 2 года назад

    Big ups for everything you upload mate, btw, how can I achieve that throbbing bass and kick sound in the techno...?

  • @chrisperpina6326
    @chrisperpina6326 2 года назад +1

    Many Thanks

  • @lmcmulle
    @lmcmulle Год назад +2

    Great video. Also love the fingernail polish!

  • @aaroncs9581
    @aaroncs9581 Год назад

    Excitement, tension... pim pam hahaha u are the best man!

  • @qexat
    @qexat 2 года назад +1

    This video is very good! I already use the reversed reverb technique, but combining it to the others make it better :D

  • @Cult_of_the_Mantis
    @Cult_of_the_Mantis 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks as always bro 🔥❤‍🔥

  • @BeatMax2023
    @BeatMax2023 Год назад

    Thanks for sharing!

  • @jacob808808
    @jacob808808 2 года назад

    love this! thankyou

  • @BK-iw1zm
    @BK-iw1zm 2 года назад +8

    Once you've got a lot of things going, start muting parts and see what sounds work well together. Take those and copy them. Do this a few times. Also, you can duplicate the loop and focus on how one instrument can become the focus. That will give you a few different parts as well. Having said that, I have a catalog of hundreds and hundreds of 8 bar loops! 😆

    • @persona83
      @persona83 2 года назад

      haha I can totally relate. Something that helps me a lot are vocal samples. Sometimes a simple voice snippet can carry the entire workflow. The cool part is everything can become a hook, specially video news like Fox/CNN/whatever and, specially, annoying videogame youtubers. 🤣🤣

  • @ChrizzBeatz
    @ChrizzBeatz 2 года назад +1

    great video ty

  • @lihaiyang1120
    @lihaiyang1120 Год назад +1

    Awesome!

  • @levyonthetrack
    @levyonthetrack 2 года назад

    this is amazing thank you so much

  • @MaoDiaz
    @MaoDiaz Год назад

    Eres un monstruo Oscar !! Excelente video gracias

  • @edgaracosta9976
    @edgaracosta9976 2 года назад +2

    I was wondering if you had some tips to get out of more integral loops like the moroder 16th notes into a different groove? I'm stuck in a loop and find it difficult to smoothly transition into something else.. btw love the vids man, keep it up !

  • @Willie6785
    @Willie6785 2 года назад +1

    I didn't know this was a thing! lol I get stuck all the time in those loops. I'll try to apply that.

  • @sarkany888
    @sarkany888 2 года назад

    Great topic! 'Making signature motifs and phrases and iterating them' next, please

  • @Slurkz
    @Slurkz 2 года назад +2

    Great one! Thanks Oscar 🤍
    Say hi to the NoiseDivas! 👩‍🎤🧑‍🎤

  • @3DJapan
    @3DJapan 2 года назад

    It would help if you said what software this is. Not every DAW will have the same commands.

  • @1ndividio
    @1ndividio 2 года назад

    would really be interested in your return channel effects! these delays and reverbs sound really great great tutorial- thanks for that!

  • @ryansturgiss4115
    @ryansturgiss4115 2 года назад +1

    Very nice.

  • @MadChalet
    @MadChalet 2 года назад +1

    I have only dabbled with creating EDM, but I have been listener/dancer since the late 80s (well, if we throw in Kraftwerk, earlier). Still, your videos are really fun to watch and inspire to do more experimentation. I'm going to dig around for some freeware, but if you (or anyone) have suggestions, I'd appreciate some guidance. ✌

  • @AggravatedAstronomer
    @AggravatedAstronomer Год назад

    Hey Oscar, thanks for making this! Could you clarify what you mean by 'freezing' and 'flattening' at 4:30? I use FL Studio so I wasn't able to follow that part as well, maybe those options are called something else or don't exist

  • @piotrkachel9392
    @piotrkachel9392 2 года назад

    thanks bro it's really help

  • @SimeonPilgrim
    @SimeonPilgrim 2 года назад +1

    “Uncle Oscar’s” live it love it,

  • @nelsondjordjemijic1533
    @nelsondjordjemijic1533 2 года назад

    Good one with reversed reverb.Can it be used on melodies like layering under main theme and maybe place copy track little early or late than original?

  • @LeiChat
    @LeiChat 2 года назад +2

    Love this... but can see myself ending up with some glorious 24 bar loops. mwah ha ha ha

  • @MuslimShortanov
    @MuslimShortanov Год назад

    Good advice ❤

  • @orlandohernandez6915
    @orlandohernandez6915 2 года назад +1

    thanks helpful vid

  • @shortcutDJ
    @shortcutDJ 2 года назад

    merci makker, ik geraak zelden uit de 8 bar loop.

  • @bouncingnoise
    @bouncingnoise 2 года назад

    Amazing as always, I love idea and the sound of the "noise" riser, even more when, looking at the result it in relation to the invested minimum of time need to be done... minutes...unbelievable... minutes!! when the time that if the invested easy for everyone to reproduce for everyone, not related to a special software plugin, and the get the brain out of its loop hack, is not a music production only thing, its a life hack for everyone who got stuck somewhere. This is defininitely the best (pound to pound) tutorial ever, and a perfect , compared to and all of them broken down to, how easy do at home, no tools must be bought, the hacks impact on music production, and smart people will keep in mind, us the technique l Not even hast to be translated to be helpful in many situations of our life!!! And we got told in less than 8 min!!!
    🤔🙄🤔 Maybe I should stop writing comments on your content, I almost sound like these paid people, who are writing way too positively written product comments from "customers" on amazon & co...🙈🙃