My problem is I get stuck in loops for so long that I start to hate the sound of my own creation, then start a new track thinking, "This time it will be different." It never is, lol. I'm going to try your strategy!
Really? I just figured I'd make variations on the loop, some with more instruments, some with less. I just listened to music and thought about what they were doing.
I've been caught up in overperfecting loops to the point of 'wtf is this'*delete*, and then repeat, for a frustratingly long time now. I've been following your tutorials since almost the beginning, I think, and so far your explainations are the most comprehensible out there. I'm using a free DAW which doesn't have fancy return busses, quick and easy MIDI to wav conversion and whatnot, but thanks to you the way you explain the stuff I can almost always figure out a way to make it work with what I have, for now. Also, fancy nails
I also like to do preverbs for this. Same steps basically, but invert the sound, then add a nice echo/reverb, freeze, flatten, and invert the sound again.
Another good tip to build a bit of tension and release is to introduce a couple notes in the break section of whatever your main melody of the “drop” is going to be. (I usually do like 2 or 3) and then once the “drop” comes introduce the full melody. Musical foreshadowing is very powerful
I've been playing a lot with reversed delays. They have a lot of the same emotional impacts as reversed reverb while adding rhythmic texture. For added bonus, reverse the thing you're delaying before you flatten the delay, so that when you reverse the flatten delay, it's playing "normally". Great video as always, Oscar!
Oscar doesn't just tell me what i need to know, but ever since i started following this channel he has told me those things exactly WHEN i need to know them!
Cleanest and easiest to understand tutorial I have seen in a long long time. I have so many loops and snippets of songs that I have created but can never bring together and get stuck and thus the project sits in a folder and on to the next. Looking forward to playing around with this and your other tutorials. Thanks for posting!
Yesterday I found myself adding a crucial part on a song that I started back in 2009. Never finished it of course but the part brought it to life and maybe it's time to do something. 😃
I was always afraid of the next step after the loop is made but the sooner you start to develop the song the more ideas you’ll get for tension instead of just adding more and more to the loop. Even spreading out a few core sounds will make you think of a direction to take the song.
I actually made a ver poor attempt in explaining it but oscar simply knows how to do it properly , gladly I could get out of it about one year ago , but it's so easy to get stuck and so so important for who is starting because it can be unmotivating to simply not being able to progress over a loop , thanks for the good reliable and useful info that we can apply right away to any daw thats really priceless 👍
Thanks again Oscar for sharing this! I really like how you explain all the stuff and you have gentle and calm voice I like listening to. For someone like me who unfortunately can't afford courses, your channel is really a reliable source where you can really learn a lot. I love you!
Your videos are so powerful and so much fun. You get straight to the point in a way that is so much fun to follow. Thank you Oscar! Excited to see where my productions go with this!
TY! I will most definitely check out your courses as soon as I have some money on the side. Just by seeing the value you bring for free and for your/our pleasure I can't (or can) imagine what your course has to offer.
Oscar I genuinely hope you are making some serious money from your excellent videos. I wish you all the best. Such a great teaching manner with the natural talent to back up your demonstrations .
So clean and so effective. I have learned so many things from this man in a short amount of time. What is your approach for song structure when it comes to building a shorter song (~2 min) and a longer song (~6 min +)? Everything is relative, but how does your workflow differ in those situations?
If the shorter song is meant to be more radio-friendly, you might need to also think more about A sections and B sections, so making a verse and chorus that's quite distinct from each other, so in 2 minutes you change the musical story a lot. The longer a track is, the more you'll see a "linear structure" where the energy slowly builds over several minutes, and there are less chorus/verse style changes. That's my take on it anyway!
Hi Oscar! I got the basics pretty much down, but I'm really bad at mixing down and mastering. Do you advice your Foundations of Electronic Music 1 or 2? Thanks for everything, you're saving me so much time figuring this out on my own. 🙏🏼
for reveresed reverbs, you can also add more reverb after reversing, or keep one none reversed version that you layer with the reversed, to have it 'crash' down, instead of just disappearing.
I deal with the loop in 2 different ways. 1 is I just embrace the loop. I do music "dawless" meaning I group machines together instead of using a computer. How I can embrace the 8 bar loop is by using it like a DJ would. I make a bunch of 8 bar loops that all loosely go together and bam I got a set. 2. I know if I'm making a full song I need at least two, preferably three, riffs per main part. 2 drum beats, 2 basslines, 2 melodies, bla bla bla. So instead of making a full 8 bar loop then moving on to the next part, I go ahead and write multiple parts per instrument. I'll write 2 basslines that play off each other, only then do I move on and do the same for the next instrument. The parts basically write themselves at that point. Thanks for giving us info instead of trying to pawn gear off on us like some music channels.
I got myself an MC707...i am trying to structure myself.i make an 8 bar loop n then get stuck "what next"...a while passes and then I'm bored of it. So your saying with the 8 tracks on the MC 707 I can do 4 instruments x 2 variations of each?
@@dinshak86 I know that much but how does the sequencer work? I'm interested to hear. I've seen some videos on it and it seems like it works like Ableton Live. You have 8 parts and their patterns are arranged in a grid. Can you change presets per pattern? How many different patterns can you have per part? These sorts of things would affect how I would go about things. Splitting your tracks is a good idea but don't forget that if you want a longer song you'll want to keep some parts similar in your A and B parts so it sounds cohesive. I usually keep drum and bass sounds the same but vary the patterns and choose one lead sound for the chorus, or drop, then choose a different lead sound for each verse, or build up. I've got a bunch of videos I made in January this year for Jamuary where I do this process a lot if you want some examples.
Rev Revs are so dope to me that I gave them the cool shorthand rev rev. Whenever I have an element that kind of comes out of nowhere, rev revs are my go-to tool. They always sound amazing, and they really build the anticipation for the element I'm introducing.
Great video! Concise and clear musical explanation. Idea for a possible follow-up video: How to escape a seemingly infinite "sine wave" loop of 16 tension-release bars and create a song structure? If you already covered this, then I'm sorry for repetition. 🙂👍
Well that's that, then. I just signed up for the Foundations course. After years of tinkering it's time to go back to the start. Plus, I've been wanting to learn Ableton for a while.
Once you've got a lot of things going, start muting parts and see what sounds work well together. Take those and copy them. Do this a few times. Also, you can duplicate the loop and focus on how one instrument can become the focus. That will give you a few different parts as well. Having said that, I have a catalog of hundreds and hundreds of 8 bar loops! 😆
haha I can totally relate. Something that helps me a lot are vocal samples. Sometimes a simple voice snippet can carry the entire workflow. The cool part is everything can become a hook, specially video news like Fox/CNN/whatever and, specially, annoying videogame youtubers. 🤣🤣
I was wondering if you had some tips to get out of more integral loops like the moroder 16th notes into a different groove? I'm stuck in a loop and find it difficult to smoothly transition into something else.. btw love the vids man, keep it up !
I have only dabbled with creating EDM, but I have been listener/dancer since the late 80s (well, if we throw in Kraftwerk, earlier). Still, your videos are really fun to watch and inspire to do more experimentation. I'm going to dig around for some freeware, but if you (or anyone) have suggestions, I'd appreciate some guidance. ✌
Hey Oscar, thanks for making this! Could you clarify what you mean by 'freezing' and 'flattening' at 4:30? I use FL Studio so I wasn't able to follow that part as well, maybe those options are called something else or don't exist
Amazing as always, I love idea and the sound of the "noise" riser, even more when, looking at the result it in relation to the invested minimum of time need to be done... minutes...unbelievable... minutes!! when the time that if the invested easy for everyone to reproduce for everyone, not related to a special software plugin, and the get the brain out of its loop hack, is not a music production only thing, its a life hack for everyone who got stuck somewhere. This is defininitely the best (pound to pound) tutorial ever, and a perfect , compared to and all of them broken down to, how easy do at home, no tools must be bought, the hacks impact on music production, and smart people will keep in mind, us the technique l Not even hast to be translated to be helpful in many situations of our life!!! And we got told in less than 8 min!!! 🤔🙄🤔 Maybe I should stop writing comments on your content, I almost sound like these paid people, who are writing way too positively written product comments from "customers" on amazon & co...🙈🙃
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I just realized you're similar to Shlomo (from the face) :D
Thanks for the tutorials!
Teaching in style and to the point! 💯
😌❤️ cheers Alice!
MAN
Alice and Oscar in the same youtube page ! You are my two favorite teachers !😀
🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐
oh yeah the two best ones !!
My problem is I get stuck in loops for so long that I start to hate the sound of my own creation, then start a new track thinking, "This time it will be different." It never is, lol. I'm going to try your strategy!
Same lol😂
This was painfully relatable lol
8 baar loops is life
Ya you're not alone my friend me too no doubt about that.
I think then it's a good time to take a break and come back to it later :)
Mate I've been stuck at this point since 1990. LOL.
So have most DJs!
Me2😉 since rebirth to be precise
@@frankstein7481 whoooAoaoaoaoaoa
Feels. If songs were 12s long I'd have made it by now.
Really? I just figured I'd make variations on the loop, some with more instruments, some with less. I just listened to music and thought about what they were doing.
As someone who constantly gets stuck in the 8-bar loop this was immensely helpful!
Yes, I needed this. I tend to get locked into tunnel vision on my loops very easily, so having a "toolkit" like this is very good.
I've been caught up in overperfecting loops to the point of 'wtf is this'*delete*, and then repeat, for a frustratingly long time now. I've been following your tutorials since almost the beginning, I think, and so far your explainations are the most comprehensible out there. I'm using a free DAW which doesn't have fancy return busses, quick and easy MIDI to wav conversion and whatnot, but thanks to you the way you explain the stuff I can almost always figure out a way to make it work with what I have, for now.
Also, fancy nails
Wow man, this info is so game changing for producers that are good beat makers but with no musical knowledge. Excellent
Love how these concepts apply to any genre
I am never going to do this, or create music at all. Yet i am still here and enjoying it greatly. Off to the next video!
😁😁😁😁😁😁❤️
I also like to do preverbs for this.
Same steps basically, but invert the sound, then add a nice echo/reverb, freeze, flatten, and invert the sound again.
Another good tip to build a bit of tension and release is to introduce a couple notes in the break section of whatever your main melody of the “drop” is going to be. (I usually do like 2 or 3) and then once the “drop” comes introduce the full melody. Musical foreshadowing is very powerful
Thats my favorite
great tip, thanks
That's a serious loop, Oscar. Hope it will be a full track!
I've been playing a lot with reversed delays. They have a lot of the same emotional impacts as reversed reverb while adding rhythmic texture. For added bonus, reverse the thing you're delaying before you flatten the delay, so that when you reverse the flatten delay, it's playing "normally".
Great video as always, Oscar!
Oscar doesn't just tell me what i need to know, but ever since i started following this channel he has told me those things exactly WHEN i need to know them!
🥰
Cleanest and easiest to understand tutorial I have seen in a long long time. I have so many loops and snippets of songs that I have created but can never bring together and get stuck and thus the project sits in a folder and on to the next. Looking forward to playing around with this and your other tutorials. Thanks for posting!
Yesterday I found myself adding a crucial part on a song that I started back in 2009. Never finished it of course but the part brought it to life and maybe it's time to do something. 😃
I was always afraid of the next step after the loop is made but the sooner you start to develop the song the more ideas you’ll get for tension instead of just adding more and more to the loop. Even spreading out a few core sounds will make you think of a direction to take the song.
I actually made a ver poor attempt in explaining it but oscar simply knows how to do it properly , gladly I could get out of it about one year ago , but it's so easy to get stuck and so so important for who is starting because it can be unmotivating to simply not being able to progress over a loop , thanks for the good reliable and useful info that we can apply right away to any daw thats really priceless 👍
This man is an absolute geniusmake sure you buy his master course if you can afford it!!!
The best music teacher online.
Thanks uncle Oscar. Been taking nudgets of wisdom from your channel for a while now. Thanks for the good work
Don’t even stop making vids mate. Whether pro, intermediate or beginner, your vid’s are always fun and educational 💪💪
Thanks again Oscar for sharing this! I really like how you explain all the stuff and you have gentle and calm voice I like listening to. For someone like me who unfortunately can't afford courses, your channel is really a reliable source where you can really learn a lot. I love you!
thank you! a LOT of dance music and even experimental and where they overlap is all about texture. this is a huge tip toward that idea/philosophy.
You're a star thanks for that. im trying this right now.
i was trying to figure this out for years, thanks a lot. You just got a new subscriber.
Your videos are so powerful and so much fun. You get straight to the point in a way that is so much fun to follow. Thank you Oscar! Excited to see where my productions go with this!
Superb tutorial. Tension-release
Dude thank you 🙏
You always seem to drop tips that are pertinent to exactly what I'm struggling with!
The best part about the explanations is how he's vibing to whatever he's listening to.
Thanks ! I'm always creating 8 or 16 bars loop but I'm too lazy to finish my songs. That's a good way to gain some time 😍
Same..! Lately i just started accepting that i suck at "progression", and try to make some enjoyable loops instead.
This is one of your best videos
RUclips needs to create a love button
TY!
I will most definitely check out your courses as soon as I have some money on the side.
Just by seeing the value you bring for free and for your/our pleasure I can't (or can) imagine what your course has to offer.
Love the old reverse reverb tail trick. Been doing that since my days on the MPC 2000.
Love it. Will soon join your course. Always to the point 🖖
Nice one, Oscar! And love the nails and sweater color combo!
Oscar I genuinely hope you are making some serious money from your excellent videos. I wish you all the best. Such a great teaching manner with the natural talent to back up your demonstrations .
❤️thx for this, I will try this on the machines
Thank you Oscar ! This kind advice help me a lot.
So clean and so effective. I have learned so many things from this man in a short amount of time. What is your approach for song structure when it comes to building a shorter song (~2 min) and a longer song (~6 min +)? Everything is relative, but how does your workflow differ in those situations?
If the shorter song is meant to be more radio-friendly, you might need to also think more about A sections and B sections, so making a verse and chorus that's quite distinct from each other, so in 2 minutes you change the musical story a lot.
The longer a track is, the more you'll see a "linear structure" where the energy slowly builds over several minutes, and there are less chorus/verse style changes.
That's my take on it anyway!
I didn't know how badly I needed this video until now
Love it as always - short and sweet.
This is such an amazing video. My mind has been blown
Short, sweet and powerful. thank you.
Excellent as always
Wahnsinn Alex, kannst Du Gedanken lesen? Exakt genau vor diesem Problem stehe ich gerade! Dank Dir bald nicht mehr aufgrund Deiner tollen Tipps! 👍 👌
That reverb trick is suuuper sick
Oh my gawd guys all of my favorite RUclipsrs are trying to hit me up this is so crazy
Hi Oscar! I got the basics pretty much down, but I'm really bad at mixing down and mastering. Do you advice your Foundations of Electronic Music 1 or 2? Thanks for everything, you're saving me so much time figuring this out on my own. 🙏🏼
TENSION and RELEASE 👁👄👁
Top tier editing at 2:05
for reveresed reverbs, you can also add more reverb after reversing, or keep one none reversed version that you layer with the reversed, to have it 'crash' down, instead of just disappearing.
Awesome video as always! Sweet loop! Also, sweet lighting!
You good. Much appreciated.
The loop is dope, looking forward to the release!
I deal with the loop in 2 different ways. 1 is I just embrace the loop. I do music "dawless" meaning I group machines together instead of using a computer. How I can embrace the 8 bar loop is by using it like a DJ would. I make a bunch of 8 bar loops that all loosely go together and bam I got a set.
2. I know if I'm making a full song I need at least two, preferably three, riffs per main part. 2 drum beats, 2 basslines, 2 melodies, bla bla bla. So instead of making a full 8 bar loop then moving on to the next part, I go ahead and write multiple parts per instrument. I'll write 2 basslines that play off each other, only then do I move on and do the same for the next instrument. The parts basically write themselves at that point.
Thanks for giving us info instead of trying to pawn gear off on us like some music channels.
I got myself an MC707...i am trying to structure myself.i make an 8 bar loop n then get stuck "what next"...a while passes and then I'm bored of it. So your saying with the 8 tracks on the MC 707 I can do 4 instruments x 2 variations of each?
@@dinshak86 I don't understand the structure of the mc707 well enough to really answer that with much confidence.
@@koalemos1679 it's a 8 track groove machine with 8 scenes (imagine Ableton)...any track can be a drum machine, instrument Synth or loope
@@dinshak86 I know that much but how does the sequencer work? I'm interested to hear. I've seen some videos on it and it seems like it works like Ableton Live. You have 8 parts and their patterns are arranged in a grid. Can you change presets per pattern? How many different patterns can you have per part? These sorts of things would affect how I would go about things. Splitting your tracks is a good idea but don't forget that if you want a longer song you'll want to keep some parts similar in your A and B parts so it sounds cohesive. I usually keep drum and bass sounds the same but vary the patterns and choose one lead sound for the chorus, or drop, then choose a different lead sound for each verse, or build up. I've got a bunch of videos I made in January this year for Jamuary where I do this process a lot if you want some examples.
really helpful, thanks
Love your stuff Oscar!! Love you
❤️
Thanks Oscar love your videos
Nice tip, sometimes a beat of silence before the release works great too
Another great video as always. Thanks so much.
Happy to see a Bry Ortega sample there, love his stuff and his live act is incredible
yeeeeeee!! i love when you read my mind! you are the original oracular spectacular! much thxs for that video oscar!!
Rev Revs are so dope to me that I gave them the cool shorthand rev rev. Whenever I have an element that kind of comes out of nowhere, rev revs are my go-to tool. They always sound amazing, and they really build the anticipation for the element I'm introducing.
Very nice. Thank you.
Great video! Concise and clear musical explanation. Idea for a possible follow-up video: How to escape a seemingly infinite "sine wave" loop of 16 tension-release bars and create a song structure? If you already covered this, then I'm sorry for repetition. 🙂👍
Nice break-beaty groove Oscar! Sounds awesome
I love this channel.
Well that's that, then. I just signed up for the Foundations course. After years of tinkering it's time to go back to the start. Plus, I've been wanting to learn Ableton for a while.
This is such a great tutorial for beginners. Thanks so much!
As always a perfectly presented video 👏👏
Big ups for everything you upload mate, btw, how can I achieve that throbbing bass and kick sound in the techno...?
Many Thanks
Great video. Also love the fingernail polish!
Excitement, tension... pim pam hahaha u are the best man!
This video is very good! I already use the reversed reverb technique, but combining it to the others make it better :D
Thanks as always bro 🔥❤🔥
Thanks for sharing!
love this! thankyou
Once you've got a lot of things going, start muting parts and see what sounds work well together. Take those and copy them. Do this a few times. Also, you can duplicate the loop and focus on how one instrument can become the focus. That will give you a few different parts as well. Having said that, I have a catalog of hundreds and hundreds of 8 bar loops! 😆
haha I can totally relate. Something that helps me a lot are vocal samples. Sometimes a simple voice snippet can carry the entire workflow. The cool part is everything can become a hook, specially video news like Fox/CNN/whatever and, specially, annoying videogame youtubers. 🤣🤣
great video ty
Awesome!
this is amazing thank you so much
Eres un monstruo Oscar !! Excelente video gracias
I was wondering if you had some tips to get out of more integral loops like the moroder 16th notes into a different groove? I'm stuck in a loop and find it difficult to smoothly transition into something else.. btw love the vids man, keep it up !
I didn't know this was a thing! lol I get stuck all the time in those loops. I'll try to apply that.
Great topic! 'Making signature motifs and phrases and iterating them' next, please
Great one! Thanks Oscar 🤍
Say hi to the NoiseDivas! 👩🎤🧑🎤
It would help if you said what software this is. Not every DAW will have the same commands.
would really be interested in your return channel effects! these delays and reverbs sound really great great tutorial- thanks for that!
Very nice.
I have only dabbled with creating EDM, but I have been listener/dancer since the late 80s (well, if we throw in Kraftwerk, earlier). Still, your videos are really fun to watch and inspire to do more experimentation. I'm going to dig around for some freeware, but if you (or anyone) have suggestions, I'd appreciate some guidance. ✌
Hey Oscar, thanks for making this! Could you clarify what you mean by 'freezing' and 'flattening' at 4:30? I use FL Studio so I wasn't able to follow that part as well, maybe those options are called something else or don't exist
thanks bro it's really help
“Uncle Oscar’s” live it love it,
Good one with reversed reverb.Can it be used on melodies like layering under main theme and maybe place copy track little early or late than original?
Love this... but can see myself ending up with some glorious 24 bar loops. mwah ha ha ha
Good advice ❤
thanks helpful vid
merci makker, ik geraak zelden uit de 8 bar loop.
Amazing as always, I love idea and the sound of the "noise" riser, even more when, looking at the result it in relation to the invested minimum of time need to be done... minutes...unbelievable... minutes!! when the time that if the invested easy for everyone to reproduce for everyone, not related to a special software plugin, and the get the brain out of its loop hack, is not a music production only thing, its a life hack for everyone who got stuck somewhere. This is defininitely the best (pound to pound) tutorial ever, and a perfect , compared to and all of them broken down to, how easy do at home, no tools must be bought, the hacks impact on music production, and smart people will keep in mind, us the technique l Not even hast to be translated to be helpful in many situations of our life!!! And we got told in less than 8 min!!!
🤔🙄🤔 Maybe I should stop writing comments on your content, I almost sound like these paid people, who are writing way too positively written product comments from "customers" on amazon & co...🙈🙃
Hahahah I appreciate you 😁🙌