Should I buy an expensive tig welding machine? (WATCH THIS FIRST!)
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Did you know there were other options than a CRAZY EXPENSIVE tig welding machine? When I built my studio at my house, I almost threw down WAYYY too much money for a tig welding machine. But stoked some people put me on to some lesser known brands, that weren't going to crush my bank account, and still get my GREAT quality welds. It's a dream to have my own setup at my house, and not have had to drop way too much money for it. Hopefully I can help someone else out with this tip as well:)
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So, as a 67 yr. old retired mechanical engineer/ inventor, I've been a died in the wool Miller guy for years. I started demanding more and found the Syncowave 180 wasn't enough. I researched ALL the brands and decided based on YOUR reviews, to buy a 255ext. Unfortunately it was backordered, so I chose the 350ext and have had it a week now. I was a bit disappointed with the Owners/Operating Mannual compared to the 255ext manual you expounded upon in your video. But I've been assured by the great folks at Everlast that I can download the 255ext manual. Besides that, the unit is amazing. I almost bought a Dynasty, I can't imagine needing more. Thank you for your work and your ending message. Lastly I didn't know about your link to Everlast, so I made point of calling them to make sure you get credit for helping me with my decision. I told them "Justin" at Pacific , sorry, poor hearing, to may years of audio abuse. Thanks Again.
I bought an "expensive" commercial TIG welder and I am very glad that I did. I just did my first paying job today!
Got a super cheap stahlwerk 200 tig welder as my first, just to get the hang of things before splashing out. Still using it on bigger jobs with plenty of material. it doesn't have a foot pedal so once things heat up it can get a bit runny but it's great for rebuilding lumps broken off castings like manifolds and gearbox housings. I love it
Great video Dusty this is the first video I have seen on your channel and I definitely subscribed 👍 I also appreciate your message at the end to pass on a random act of kindness to others, Excellent message man! Thanks for posting 😊
Thanks Dusty. Great channel. Thanks for the tips, just starting out with TIg welding.
I own a Prime Weld & for the $800 I spent it certainly does all I will need. Been In storage the last year so after my garage remodel is finished I can start practicing once again lol
I'm what you would consider, at best, the weekend warrior, self-taught welder. I purchase the Canaweld at the end of last year, and Dusty's review of it is what finally made me pull the trigger over an everlast. And I'm so satisfied with it. Does more than I'll ever need. If that welder can't handle what I'm doing, it's beyond my skills anyways.
Which everlast did you get?
I hate digging up older videos, but I feel this is the perfect place to leave this. After trying to find an AC tig welder because my Miller is only DC tig, I stumbled across a company called YesWelder.
I dropped a very palatable $780 CAD Shipped for the TIG-A250P-AC/DC w/Pulse, now they had a discount code to get it that low, but Amazon Canada has it for around $899 sale price.
My 15 years of welding experience has always been with wire feed mig, so my feedback as a professional is non existent on this subject, but the hundreds of reviews I read, very little negativity.
Had the 210 EXT since it got released here in Australia its given me no problems in 6yrs, I sprung for the water cooler so I can keep it pegged flat knackers using a tiny wp20 torch(CK set up)
Hell I probably spent less than 1500 on my whole setup, including water cooler and torch. I use a Primeweld 225 and, despite having a pretty high arc start amperage, this thing rips with the best of em.
Same here, it rocks. The customer service is the best on Earth.
I swear by my fronius 230i , it's super easy to use , 100% reliable, made in in Europe and welds lovely on single phase, honestly can't recommend it enough, it is a bit expensive but you get what you pay for.
I have had a Everlast 200DX for a few years now. I can easily recommend them. Now that I have been watching your channel for a year or so I wish I would have known about the Canaweld. Thanks for the vid.
Yea the dynasties are pretty rad. I learned to tig aluminum at my last job with the 400 and 280. So when I bought a $900 machine for home use I figured I would be sad but I'm fairly happy with it
I started with a crappy Amazon $100 flux core to see if it was something I was interested in. I saved up and got a Lincoln tig 200, love the machine. Had I seen this video I would have been more confident is getting a cheaper less known machine as you mentioned.
That being said the accessories that came with it are too notch and I’m hesitant to get into accessories because there are so many sizes and terms and how they relate to what I’m welding isn’t clear. You’re videos are helping me better understand these things but I still find it challenging when I go to potentially order.
As always, I appreciate your content and your positive attitude. Now to go find someone to pass it on this kindness to!
Loving this channel, short videos with loads of useful information
Always appreciate your videos, man!
Love your videos they have helped me a ton! Can you do a video on hand propping and stability for both torch and filler rod hand? I’m having a lot of trouble getting ‘comfortable’ and stable.
I use a miller syncrowave 350 lx and the only thing I can adjust is the ac balance on it but i love it for everything so far and it stays nice and quiet.
So long as it does what YOU want it to do. Don't always need one with all the bells and whistles if you aren't going to use them
But they're shiny
@Will Swift Everlast Welding do multi process machines. They have machines that do the lot except for MIG. Their Power Pro line is Tig AC/DC /Stick / Plasma. The only downside of getting an all in one machine is that if something goes wrong and you need to send it away to be repaired then you have nothing.
I have collected several machines over the years, so have backups of various things so not so bad.
That's just my 10 cents. Hope it helps
I have an older Miller Tig. It has an eye on top so you can lift it with a crane. Does not have some of the modern features like pulse. I may grab a newer machine to get those features for some of the thin aluminum I weld. This video helped me see what is out there now. Thanks
And peace to you brother! That's one good for the day and plenty more to come! ✌️👍
Hi Dusty This video made me feel a little better today . I have had a Miller Dynasty for about 15 years and often times I go back to it and I have to refresh myself on the features .To hear you say the menus are confusing and sometimes simpler is better.Made me feel like hey it’s not just me ,this machine can be confusing and a pain to dial in. I am just a hobby welder and this machine may sit for a year at a time with no use.As far as random acts of kindness we can all help no matter what your capable of sometimes just a little thing to you can mean something to someone.
I got the much loved primeweld 225 and I gotta say that I love it. It runs just as nice as the 4k machines in welding class. Comes with pretty much every feature youd want too, all for the cost of a harbor freight tig. Cant recommend enough
Agreed 👍
Same here, no regrets at all!
Dude, you're awesome. So glad I found you. Thanks!
My first TIG machine was a cheap Amico ($200 US on Amazon) rig that worked fine. But then I wanted to play around with pulsed TIG welding, so I bought a second machine (HZXVOGEN for $349CAD). That once developed a couple of issues, so I finally decided last year to buy a "proper" machine. One that would do everything that I could imagine wanting in a TIG welder, and that would last. So I got a Primeweld TIG225x and could not be happier. It doesn't have an LCD screen, doesn't have programs or a memory, but it is *really* solidly built and I can see it lasting for years and years. Definitely worth checking out if you want 110/220, ability to do AC as well as DC, and can't justify one of the fantastic but pricier options.
Miller 220 definitely, I love mine. Might not have all the settings built to be versatile
Another great video Dusty.
Thanks for the confidence boost. Time to research
I 100% agree. I have worked in shops both blue and red but but green for the home gamer
Only issue I've had with my Everlast 255Ext is the green display in any bright light , shop or sun. Had to make a dark light trap to see it. The rest has been excellent.
Just pulled the trigger on a HF Pro tig 205 after saving up. Wish me luck. I never see this machine bragged about much online but I’m rolling with it.
Progress update?
Thank you! your channel is awesome!
Was just about to email you about this. Boom, thanks!
Aside from welding with 3 car batteries and speaker wire, most of welding comes down to a simple rule: “it’s the wizard not the wand”
Interesting comment. You are saying you have a way to weld with 3 car batteries? I have used one car battery to weld tabs onto my 18650 batteries. You are likely saying that 3 in series welds more stuff? Above 36 volts scares me a little. As I recall, human skin resistance can be breached by as little as 40 volts. And, it only takes a litte amps to stop the heart. I used to get shocked constantly by my 1960s era train track as a kid, so I am not so sure what to believe.
@@dennisgarber 3 car batteries lasts longer.
His point is that with the crudest equipment possible, good skill makes good welds.
The fanciest machine won't make you a good welder.
@@carpediemarts705 maybe, but could I be able to weld aluminum with a dc tig? I think not. But the difference between a dc tig welder and an ac tig welder it maybe a lot of money. And this is one example, maybe all the bells and whistles help you be faster or produce more. I'll say buy the best welder you can afford.
I’d spring for at least HF start and a pedal but not much fancier. My welding class had mainly scratch start and it was frustrating at first. We got to share a couple HF Miller machines for aluminum and that sold me on HF. Very tough to find decent affordable stuff used unless you buy some huge old hulking iron or lift conversion.
Very nice work, Great video
It helps. I bought an HTP over an Everlast. So glad I did.
Bro your work is beautiful. I’m gonna try the everlast.. thank you 🙏
Been using miller dynasties for over 6 years working aerospace fabrication, and they are amazing machines. All the extensive and various settings are mainly for AC and its great to have them for heat control and proper penetration when dealing with unique fitups, joints and circumstances you find yourself in daily. When it comes to DC, its pretty much the same across all machines from either brands as your heat is going in either positive or negative. Idk about how other brands are with AC TIG, but the dynasty is pure excellence and very reliable with it.
I have the Everlast 185DV which is their least expensive AC/DC tig and it has done me well so far(about a year). Great machine to learn on with the help of your videos
My initial thought would be to get a Lincoln TIG200 because it matches the 210MP which has been good so far.
Can’t go wrong with the everlast 325 ext with water cooler, had mine for a year and love it
I bought a everlast 140 about 5 years ago, it’s tiny but it stick welds and tig anything I do around the house and portable with a small tank. Also got a Forney 220mp, plan on saving up to get the mig torch and pedal for it.
Unfortunately can’t weld aluminum with either, so I might just have to get a ac / dc machine.
I’d say, the choice is even easier:
1) do you need to TIG weld aluminum? ➔ more expensive machine
2) do you need to TIG weld stuff thicker than approx. 5 mm (above 200A)? ➔ more expensive machine (water-cooled)
3) do you need to TIG weld non-stop? ➔ more expensive machine with high duty cycles
Other than that… yes, much more important are the ergonomics (CK torch, pedal, straight welding table, large viewing aperture helmet, fixtures…), gas lenses + Pyrex cups… and above all, TONS of material (base, filler, ScotchBrite discs) and GAS (not cheap in Europe, where you pay even for the empty leased bottle, monthly!), plus ELECTRICITY to get those 19 years of practice. 😃
The only cheap thing is acetone…
Oh, and, did someone mention that your practice time = a monetary investment with an uncertain moment of return?
I use the Miller at work on a dairy basis. I would love to see a video going through all the settings
Miller dynasty, I got the esab 220i great machine a little to get used to. But welds nice,
I finally got argon yesterday. My sub $200 TIG Chinese welder (with HF start) allowed me to get a decent welding table, helmet, gloves and a mess of coupons to practice with. Even on a 110 volt 20 amp circuit it can push 130 or more amps. It may be running a bit hot in that it can burn through a 1/8 coupon at 95 amps. So far I have been able to run a handful of beads without filler wire. Most are mud ugly. A scant few are shiny. Some of the ugly ones have the tip of a tungsten stuck in them. I won't yearn for a more expensive welder until I can master this two knob box - amps and post flow.
@WilliamHelstad coupons are 1/8 inch and 1/4 inch.
I looked long and hard at the everlast website and nearly bought a 210 EXT. I spent a wee bit more and got a Powerpro 205 Si.
Same 200 acdc pulse with slope I'd get in the Ext210 but for a hundred bux more, I have a plasma cutter in the same box.
My downsides, I don't have 120v capacity and lose programmability and the extra fancy oscillating AC+DC mode that I was not actually going to use.
For starting out what would be a good Edge cup size i would use most of the time and what gas setting should i start with? Thank You.
Just what I needed to hear
Miller dynasty 210 cps is the machine i bought, it broke before the warranty wore out so i got it repaired for free, but im kinda worried now because warranty will end in a year.
I've got a wsme 200 acdc tig bought over 10yrs ago, only thing I hate is the trigger on the torch, should've paid a little more for the foot operated version
For a hobbies would recommend primeweld 225 is an AC/DC and manual knobs and has hz adjustments for US price is $869. A guy used it for a training welder in his classes never had a problem. AHP US Price is $750.
What do you think about the Eastwood MPI 250 multi-process welding machine? Have you ever used one>
At $800 I've had great success ( admitted novice). With my alpha tig 201xd. Had a couple yrs now.
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If you think the Miller Dynasty is hard to use , you should try a Fronius great machine but hard to use interface .
So far I enjoy using the Miller Dynasty 280 AC/DC TIG/Stick Welder It’s very awesome but yes it’s very pricey costing Me around $7,000
did you adapt the CK torch to the Everlast? would love to see how you went about that.
I’m having a problem with my Miller not wanting to struck an arc . Could it be the foot pedal?
Fully agree with you there. Unless you have a company that relies daily on serious production in welding there's no need to mortgage your house to buy a Miller 🤣. Don't get me wrong, I've used them all the time in the industrial sector, gas, diesel or electric, and they're pretty much the gold standard for heavy duty workhorses in the welding trade. But for the hobbyist, a little overkill 😁.
An HTP machine has as many features as the miller for about half the price. Comes with a large water chiller and ck worldwide torch. Highly recomend this one have one in my shop.
RAK! Love you buddy.
I got.me a weldpro and I tell ya it is perfect and I had more than enough to get all the gear with it. When I get as good as I want to be I will go get me the best one
Do these new inverta machines last any amount of time com pared to a transformer machine .Also you show alot of Everlast machines on your show ,where do you get these machines serviced if need so?
on the settings bro I was wondering can they do it like other weld machines and be like this material is this thick said that to there on the machine and then you set it on the machine for the thickness and what type of material and then you set that on there as well
For someone just getting into the world of welding. Would you recommend getting into TIG welding to start with or MIG/Flux core? I've been on the fence about what one I should start with. Thanks for all your videos they are a huge help in learning.
Tig is the most enjoyable/ addictive but fluxcore is the easiest. YesWelder makes a flux core machine for a $100. And also lets you do stick welding. It's not a bad deal. I would get that to start and if you like welding( Most of welding isnt actually welding it's mostly prep and measuring and stuff) Then I would look in to getting a tig welder
Was considering a dynasty until now 😯 maybe will save a little, get an Everlast after all..?
What do you tink of the powertig 200DV compare to the 210EXT?
At work I have a Miller dynasty at home I have a yeller chinasty (ahp) CK UPGRADE welds very well
Reading my mind …. !!! Great vid ..!!!
I picked a Weldpro over Millermatic. Glad I did.
Have you ever tried the arccaptain 200p or heard about them they seem to weld good on utube just wondering thanks
I want to start welding as a hobby a basic mechine with just Amp and adjustment will cost abt 400 and one with pre and post flow n pulse with cost double. Do I really need pre and post flow? Or pulse and 4T? Thks for your answer
Veteran TIG welder here, depending on what your welding, the pre and post flow helps reduce oxidation and discoloration (which causes welds to become brittle). The pulse makes for a more efficient process, you use less consumables because you're putting minimal heat into the work piece.
I have a few Tig machines......... my most recent is an Everlast Power Tig 200 DV .. nice cheap machine but China cheap, I have a Miller Diversion 180 very nice entry level basic American made , good portable field dual voltage, automatic machine, bit spendy compared to the import stuff but will last and durable....... then my favorite that I bought 30 years ago, not portable, defiantly a shop machine and back when HOBART was the cream of the Cream, When HOBART were mustered colored and before they were bought out by Miller, it's a TigWave 250........ not for beginers.....back in 1992 it was about $5000 but OMG what a bullet proof PRO lifetime machine! Heavy, big, lots or dials, but so smooth and water cooled, and you can weld 100% and won't overheat. You get what you pay for!!!!! You can not run away with that!
i cant call that Everlast machine cheap its like a grand when i have looked i am after a HF start machine single phase in the UK any suggestions your videos are great by the way i can do the other processes but i need to learn tig any suggestions i can teach myself into waht machine i can get mid-range i dont want something bad but not something stupid expensive
hi what is the process off tig Ac aluminum welding unpolish plate
Good video bro, I have a everlast 255EXT 💰🔥👍
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eastwood 200 digital Ac dc it's a good for aluminum var mags crack welding?
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Been really happy with my forney220.
I started tig welding about 18 months ago. Since the moment i pressed the pedal down for the first time ive been hooked. Its like holding a little piece of the sun in my hands. I started with the primeweld tig225x. Now im looking into dropping 3k on an everlast typhoon 230. The specs show it to be out of this world. Especially for aluminum. 5 wave forms, split wave forms, split wave amplitude, 2 amps min dc and 3 amps min ac. And for stick welding it has more features than some dedicated stick welders including anti stick, adjustable arc force, and adjustable hot start time and intensity. Oh and the cherry on top is the 5 year warrantee
Have you got the typhoon yet? How does it compare to the prime weld? I'm drawn between the two😊
@Lifebreaks2 I also really recommend the Everlast superultra206. For 550 dollars you get a multiprocess welder/cutter that puts out 200 amps of tig, 160 amps of stick and 50 amps of plasma cutting. For that price it's worth it just for the plasma cutter, which Is why I bought it. I don't even use the stick/tig functions but if you want a tig welder I highly recommend it as a do-it-all machine
Hey my friend random question I'm tig welding 1/4 aluminum plate to 1/8 square tubing(new at aluminum) and every time I dip filler its jumping out of the pool? Any advice would be greatly appreciated thanks
I have no idea, but maybe that's a sign of using the wrong filler material? Just a wild guess.
Miller Dynasty is probably the best TIG ive used. id compare it to a Lincoln Precision Tig 375 both paired with a cooler underneath you could weld endlessly for a whole 10 hours. with the dynasty you could probably weld all day or night without the machine dying down on you. with the lincoln precision tig you could literally weld all day at any amps you want. they are both super nice machines
Where do you get stainless and aluminum coupons for practice??
I used 3 tig machine Lincoln precision tig 375, Lincoln tig 200, an a Miller I do not know model off top of my head entry level machine. only difference I could notice in all 3 machine was precision tig 375 had a cleaner starting arc but the weld itself all same.
That Lincoln 375 s one hell of a welder...
@@trevorjarvis3050 it is a very nice machine we had two of them in old shop I work for. was machine I learn to tig weld on .
AWESOME topic my friend! Good advice too! I have the Dynasty AND invertig 400, and I don't regret it, SIMPLY because I don't feel that I will have buy another one for at LEAST 10-15 years, I will have DEF paid for them by then. But anymore, the main investment is materials, tools, consumables, paint, art supplies, etc...and I agree, I would be JUST fine with the canaweld. Honestly. I'm invested deeply tho. Like $25,000 deeply lol. But hell, my truck is more than that, and it will get traded in 5 years or so from now prolly. GO CANAWELD OR HTP! thats my advice, they won't let u down! Even for a side business. Hey bro...another topic, "when should you start a side business OR a RUclips channel?" Or is it better to just fly low under the radar and puddle around? Lol keep pumping out that prolific content, beast 💪 mode dude!
@WilliamHelstad what do u consider "grown up money"? Like 100k-150k a year(basepay) that can easily be done with side money included. I think it's a matter of staying there consistently,.until you have enough to survive for a YEAR if u don't nail ONE job. Then, go for it. Ya man. Benefits and 401k is hard to beat
I Spent a good amount on a mid range tig welder + kit. Never welded with tig before but now i know that if the welds are bad it's all my fault and not my kit.
I got the Everlast 210 but the UK branded R-tech AC/DC 260. They look like the same machines
Nice video
Couldn't agree more - as far as Tig machines, I have an Everlast, and an AHP. Truthfully, it really wouldn't matter if it was those two brands, or the Red and Blues. I can just as easily suck at Tig welding spending 10k or 1k. Can you drive better (normal driving, LOL) in a Ferrari , or a Fusion?
Buy the best you can afford . If you plan to do this for a living you can get the setup best suited for your needs. It's like buying the best car ir truck .. the vehicle can be for the long run or the short haul. Miller is the standard, as I said buy what you can afford. You woukd be surprised what you can weld with a middle of the road machine
Best route is to find a high quality machine in good condition used. Chinese machines seem fine for occasional use, but simply not going to cut it in a serious industrial environment.
Ive been thinking about buying a tig welder found a $250 machine should be good enough for my needs but two things im not sure about 1. How expensive is gas where do i even go to buy that and then regulators too and 2. Wiring... Pretty sure it wont just plug into a regular 20amp socket i know the welders at work dont do that... Really doesnt need to be anything super fancy i just want something that i coul do small projects at home with
My canaweld pulse d which I bought off your review, broke ruining a valve cover off of a very rare bike I was repairing, and they aren't honouring their warranty
Does anyone know if the jegs tig 200 machines are worth it the reveiws seem decent but the packaging and everything else seems sketchy
Can you name off a few "Welding Forums" that you recommend ?
I'm fighting this hard. I'm ready to upgrade from my Vulcan protig200 and my millermatic 212. .... I do 95% aluminum. So I'd love to have a Dynasty 280dx multiprocess with a suitcase but 15k is ridiculous
I just got the protig 205 and so far the only thing that bothered me is no 4t which slipped my mind in store
@@ChrisSmoove77 I bought a Everlast 255ext best money I ever spent.
hi 200amb tig machine can welding cast iron or aluminum cylinder head
I need a tig welder for aluminum . Structural reasons, not artistic. I have several ladders that need fixing and several other large items that are not brazing friendly, due to the large size. I bought blue demon triple play, but can't get enough heat into the part to do more than a tiny spot after map gassing for 20 minutes on the same area. Plus, heating 3003 h14 weakens the metal!
I am wondering if a uber cheap unit could be used with one of these brazing rods... This way, I only need to hyper heat a local area and can get the solder to flow (700 to 1500 psi weld which wouldnt degrade over time like epoxy).
I guess, I am looking for videos of guys buying ultra cheap gear and doing what ever work arounds to make the unit work. Also, I need to understand the limitations of the cheap units, since an ugly or inconsistent weld is way better than anything I got now.
I don't understand why some tig welders are said by half of the reviewers not to be capable of aluminum, while the other half say that it can do aluminum with the right sticks. I also need a video showing this.
Harbor freight welder for aluminum??
Bro your the fuckn man 💥
I was a hardcore Blue guy, swore by them for many years. I use to make fun of my friends who owned Everlast, I would call them Popcorn makers. But when I couldn't afford a new Dynasty for my home shop, I bought an Everlast PowerTig 200 DV. Once my hood drops, can not tell the difference from Blue to Green. Oh and something no one mentions on RUclips about machine settings is, there are many features on more sophisticated tig welders, that are designed for automation welding. And you will probably not ever use. The Upslope and Down slope are settings for welding pulse tig on thin wall tubing on a orbital or rotator. Well anyway, my Everlast tig machine rocks!