I played dishonorable until I found out Arthur got tb and the dreams were so good because of that it was wolves until I died which made the deer at the end so much more powerful it was like Arthur finally found his peace and it really got to me man
On the John, Arthur and Dutch front, one of my favourite moments is when Arthur insists Dutch let John and the family leave. And then, Dutch fixates on "he insists".
@@lucyjamesgames gotcha! I didn't get to the point yet when y'all said that but I also agree on the guarma part but have to say this game is amazing im in my 3rd playthrough I enjoyed this video
MK Honestly her and Charles both mention right next to one another that Sadie intends to head down to South America and Charles intends to head up to Canada. Sounds like a hell of a DLC set up to me. They already have the assets for both of those climate types and landscapes ready to go.
This was probably mentioned in the comments already, but Edith Downes and her son do actually get a good ending to their story. Blackwater Ledger #75 (the last newspaper in the game) has an easily missed article where it's mentioned Edith and her son now own a popular golf course along with several other successful businesses out west, apparently having invested Arthur's money with great results! Edith seemingly staying in Annesburg as a prostitute after you help her appears to just be a result of some dodgy quest flags allowing you to start and complete her quest out of sequence. I did it in the presumably intended order, so the cutscene with her entering the house with the john was the first time I saw Edith in Annesburg. Basically, that scene is supposed to be there to tell you Edith is in this town and make you go "oh shit, I hope I can help her out", but if you do things in the wrong order it accidentally serves as an ultra-bleak ending instead (I assume you still get the newspaper article, though).
This is a great game from top to bottom, the story was great, the gameplay was epic, the characters were great, this is the best open World game I have ever played.
The world is the most realistic world I've ever seen in an open world game. The npc's go to work in the morning, then go home, or go to the saloon, and get drunk. All the animals, and little critters runnin around. I love it. And Arthur is my favorite video game protagonist ever now.
@@cmcproductions26 when they are working and it rains they go inside their tents and wait, have coffee, smoke and just chill out until rain stops or night falls! 🙌🙌
6:16 You can tell Javier was really hurt by Arthur's "betrayal" of Dutch, he takes so long to point his gun at John and Arthur, and finally aims above their heads, showing that he really didn't want to kill them and still hoped everyone would get together. He basically had to leave his entire life in Mexico, alone in the states and Dutch took him in. Hes an incredible character if you just watch his actions.
I really wish I spent more time at camp(why walking around the camp was so slow) to spend more time Javier and others. I did like him playing the guitar.
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@@InugamiTheHound You essentially want to just do nothing but listen to people talk but you hated the fact that you had to walk in camp? Those two statements conflict each other.
@@FullConcerts100 Yeah I think it's just the order of missions you do, so the train is probably what happens but doing the earlier missions makes it seem like Edith Downes is back in Annesburg.
@38:00 Fun fact. Downes is in Valentine in the beginning of the game, and he's coughing and sick as he's trying to build a house on the street. I didn't realize it was him until my second play through. Most likely building that house is the reason he took a loan from Strauss in the first place. God damn this game is so perfectly put together.
@@lanagievski1540 I agree, I liked the diversity of it. I just wish the entire story had that kind of uniqueness. It seemed like too much run and gun. Shooting, cutscene, shooting, cutscene. I really liked how gta 5 had such unique missions all throughout. If guarma is a high point in the game than the game should've been redesigned.
I felt like when Arthur found out he has tuberculosis, his priority was to protect the gang. And, then I think he wanted to bring Dutch back from the "dark side". He knew he was dying, and wanted to see if he could save his friend. That's the way I saw it anyway. Also, Sadie, Charles, Arthur, Dutch, and Josea's characters were amazingly done imo.
I agree, aside from protecting his gang I would say his main priority was to do a little good before he dies (evidenced by the ability to refuse payments and starting to give money left and right to strangers). He knew that no matter how much money he got he was still gonna die, so he probably reflected on his life and made it his mission to give his 'brother' (john) the life he could never get.
The end of that Strauss storyline is AMAZING. God I really fell head over heels in love with the game in chapter 6 resolving the Strauss and Downes storylines. Also Charlotte and Hamish the veteran in chapter 6. It was the icing on the cake for me, it was all sooooo good.
I played most of the Hamish story as Arthur, but then decided to do a story mission which turned out to be the last one. So I had to finish Hamish's story as John and I actually like the way it worked out. They talk a little bit about Arthur and taking Bule from him felt better because I wasn't attached to John's horse the way I was Arthur's.
Bear Falcon nah, Strauss was a horrible person. But I still felt really bad about kicking him out after I found out what Charles said about him in the epilogue. So I just didn’t kick him out on my second playthrough
I randomly ran into Tilly in St. Denis while playing as John Marston. It wasn't a marked mission or even a white blip on the radar. She stopped me as I was walking by a tram stop. She said she is married to a lawyer and doing well. She hopped on the tram and said she would write letters. I haven't recieved a letter from her yet.
@@liquidsnake8745 i believe the epilogue shows the impact Arthur had on his portion of the gang (sadie, john, charles, uncle, etc) and to show how Arthur's actions in the last chapter and ultimate sacrifice changed John from the Outlaw to the Hero/Family Man.
Id argue Red Dead 2 is ALL about John in many different ways. Red Dead Redemption is the story and tragedy of John Marston. And Arthur's story within that made it much better and well rounded. John became who Arthur wanted to be by the end. Even if only for a few years.
One of the things I almost completely forgot is there is a mission where you’re escaping from the army, going down a river in boats with Charles and Eagle Flies and after the ending cutscene Arthur is sat on a rock coughing and choking for around 50 second and there’s nothing you can do to end it early, you just have to sit there and watch Arthur pretty much decomposing. It was actually kind of distressing since you literally can’t do anything. It’s little things like that which really make you feel for Arthur, you see the down moments in which he’s living day to day life but knowing that the inevitable end is coming
The eagle flies mission was my last straw. I couldn’t press the TNT and I delayed that mission until it was the last thing on the map. Even while doing it I tried to stretch it to see if there was a choice. I did not want to be apart of Dutch’s plan there.
I always find it interesting when people involve themselves in a story so much, I think that's what games do so well. Since you're taking an action, you feel more responsible. I always saw it as Arthur would do anything for Dutch. And, even at the end, he tries to reach out to Dutch.
Being of Native (Canadian) heritage those scenes with Rains Fall really meant a lot to me. Especially his speech near the end. My Last Boy will always be my favorite Red Dead mission. Love that charge down the hill with Charles.
The horse dying was the saddest part of the game in my opinion... especially if you did not rush the game and just went on adventures.... I named mine horse... Good boy he was... he did love running into wagons though... getting me almost killed on many occasions.. but still... when I needed him... he was there... even if just seconds before he bucked me off because of a snake I couldnt even see
Luckily I got Buell as John.. It's still my horse... He did get himself burned alive once... but after just looking at the screen for a minute or so.. I reloaded a previous save @@lxix5968
Yup.....I immediately thought....”Why did he cough...that wasn’t a mistake, they put that there....then again, then again.....I thought back to Downes, the first collection....he was coughing everywhere and in Arthur’s face. Well, he got that cool $10 pen.
I mean the next chapter in that story is Jack's. I loved her, but aside from her death, is there really more to say about her? Whats left in her story arc?
Yeah naw mate I appreciate the character beyond her female badassness because she's got a well written progression. I dont understand why you get so stuck up on the fact they made a single female badass in a game with like 10 ridiculously overbadass males.
i like her a lot. it's not often that you get to see those "unstoppable force of nature badass" characters as people. at the very least, i'd be happy to see her as Jack's landon ricketts.
No mention of Arthur's kidnapping by the O'Driscoll's? Felt like such a weird thing given the game forgets about it as soon as it's resolved, and then it's overshadowed by Jack's disappearance.
"Worth the eight year wait?" "I didn't wait eight years, so..." Way to end the talk on a high note. Generally didn't like most of what she had to say, to be honest.
Game is so immersive. Did not expect to like Morgan as much as Marston. I kind of hoped the game would do the switch when the sequel was announced, but did not realize how bummed I would be to see the character depart. Kudos to Rockstar for throwing in a long epilogue with the return of John Marston. Any other developer would probably sell it as DLC seeing how long the game already is. On another note, the cast mention how GTA 4 is very hard to play now. They are correct to an extent, but what easily alleviates this is to unlock cheats on your phone and use the taxi if you don't feel like driving. After the game saves, the cheats will always be there for you to use for replenishing health or ammo. The game too went for a more realistic experience compared to previous game. Niko like Morgan are very fleshed out and probably Rockstar's deepest lead characters.
I think seeing Mrs Downes after you give her money is a glitch. You’re probably not supposed to be able to do her side missions until Chapter 6 begins which has the cutscene where you see her in Annesburg.
When I went to McFarlanes ranch there was someone stood outside John's shack. I greeted them and John said 'That's a nice place you've got there.' Definitely not intentional but holy shit that's some foreshadowing.
I’m a fan of the old west and western movies and as soon as Arthur was told he had TB I knew then he was going to die. I also felt grateful that Rockstar gave us, I’m trying to find the right word, time to realize that Arthur was going to die, unless you don’t really know how serious TB is, especially back in those times. Sadder ending than RDR1. It really hit me when my horse died and Arthur took a minute to make sure that it died with comfort and said Thank you. I played dishonorable mostly so I got shot. But overall kinda liked the sorta Doc Holliday ending for Arthur. Gave us time to adjust that he was going to die than straight playing a mission and BAM he’s dead. It made it more meaningful in my opinion because I got to come to terms quick that he was going to die and I was actual grateful for that. Great game. Started my second play through as soon as the end credits ended and that ain’t no joke. Love this game. Favorite hands down. I honesty thought I gave him TB by not taking caring of him enough, and felt like shit for it for awhile lol. I know that’s not how it is but at the time that’s what I thought lol also I was thinking maybe they were going to let us play as Sadie after all of it but I thought it was neat that we can play as John that was my second guess
The one thing I hate about these discussions from these “Gamers” is that they’re job takes them away from the game too much. They just don’t know shit about the game really. They know what’s on the face of the story but I can tell they haven’t took the time to REALLY pay attention to the characters, read the notes, listen to conversation, do the stranger missions, and like REALLY DIVE into this game.
Theyve suffered heavily from having to hit deadlines. I finished the game yesterday (finished the epilogue anyway) and took a nice steady pace, not finishing every side quest but not actively avoiding them either. And you get so much of the back story and attachment to characters from the side missions, so much so that I felt like lennys death and dutch walking out on Arthur, only for eagal flies to save you was the two scenes with the most emotional impact for me.
I agree. From listening to other spoiler casts like IGN, a lot of really important details are forgotten about or gotten wrong about the story and I can only imagine that it’s due to them ploughing through the story.
@@2Chonky2Furious That's literally what he's saying. "their job takes them away from the game too much" Becuase they even HAVE a time limit inherently takes away from the amount of story they can fit in since they are always against the clock. The girl on the left even jokes about it multiple times, when it's not really funny to not fully understand the story and atmosphere of the time.
Are you 12? These are people who have to interact with games professionally, with standards, expectations, deadlines and rules to follow. It's what being an adult who games is like.
All jokes aside I haven’t seen someone crack this Gavin Easter egg yet. But I’m startin to think someone in the rockstar offices was named Gavin & he was in some corner with his headphones in & the entire building was looking for him & he was on RUclips & they added it to the game as an inside joke.
Best 2 open world games i played. Witcher 3 is still the best imo. Has a better story and missions. The side quests are better than most of RDR2 main quests.
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This might tick people off but I found the Witcher 3 incredibly dull and thought RDR2 was the best game I ever played in my life.
I didn't kill anyone when retrieving the artifacts for Rains Fall, I just ran in there with them shooting at me, soaked up the bullets like a proper upc sponge, got the artifacts as quick as possible and left, they didnt even chase me.
You can run into the camp and beat the hell out of every soldier, then leave the last one to flee and tell the story of a mad man who wearing the head of bear as trophy, punched a whole squad into a coma. And it counts as not killing anyone.
In the ending cutscene you do end up seeing ms Downes leave on a train.. I got the same cutscene where she is still in town.. I think that was supposed to be BEFORE you do her last quest
I didn’t play RDR, so I appreciated the Epilogue. Once I found out he was the protagonist of RDR early on, i said, “Really?!?! That whiny guy??” Then I got to Chapter 6 and started liking him. The epilogue made me love him!! Not as much as Arthur, but still-I appreciated why he was compelling once he was away from the gang.
Guarma was essentially in the game to demonstrate that no matter where the gang goes they'll be drawn into conflict. It's the narrative equivalent of smashing you over the head with the foreshadowing the gang's fate. At least that's what I thought about it during my playthrough, it wasn't bad but it's their "Tahiti" and it's somehow even more chaotic than back at home.
I think the dragging on, repetitive missions was to get you to feel how Arthur felt about having to follow dutch over and over again into failure. i think it was a risky but good move by rockstar.
Theres no excuse for repetitive missions and questionable game design. If that really was the developers intention to show then they could have done it differently. It should have been there job to be creative but they just cared too much for details👌
They played off the TB sickness perfectly. The ominous ride back was enough to tip me off that something bad happened there. The fact that Downes would keep coming up in the story, hearing that he had died from the disease, all leading up eventually to the end of the game. All the details. That the game world is in a dry spell until AFTER you're sick, and it starts raining and you're constantly getting wet, progressing the disease.
If you watch the crazy long credits, it shows Sadie and charles leaving and then there are journal entries about this. And seeing how they butt right up to red dead and have all the real estate of the first one, I believe whole heartedly that there will be dlc bringing the red dead 1 story into this world engine. Fingers crossed
I think a great post game update for after you roll credits would be a GTA V style character wheel that lets you switch between John, Sadie and Charles.
Felix The Barber Or just listen to him at the campfire. He describes how bad of a situation he was in before he met Dutch, and how Dutch did so much to help and take care of him.
57:25 If you go to Armadillo during the epilogue the whole town is pretty much evacuated. If you go down to one side of the town there's a man packing up with a mask and says everyone is leaving due to cholera being spread throughout the town. This might be a slight nod to the fact that Marston's daughter will die from it.
This video feels like you guys read a book you didn’t want to read and are now talking about it. This is one of the best open world games ever, stories, etc. and y’all talking like it’s AC3
Kurt Mueller I was discussing this with a friend the other day, tbh the guarma section could’ve acted as a flashback to sort of mirror how badly the saint Dennis’s robbery went in comparison to black waters and how Dutch has been doing this for years
Gotta disagree with you, unfortunately. I like that it didn't explain everything because you're playing as Arthur who wasnt there, who didn't know what happened so why, as the player, would you be allowed to know. Idk I just don't think everything needs an explanation, mystery is a part of life 🤷
It seems like the person who was tasked with reviewing this game, listening to her talk, basically missed out on most of the finer details of the game's plot and focus, where the guy on the right basically explained it to her.
Guarma would've been better as a Pseudo-Survival area where you start off with empty cores and you have to find weapons to defend yourself from animals exclusive to the Island, while trying to find Dutch & co.
LOL @ people being pissed she gave the game a 9/10. That is a rare score, a must play score. Nothing is perfect, and there were legit criticisms in numerous places. Its plain to see that this game is incredible to some, and not that great to others. This is fine. I loved it, but I don’t think its a 10/10. There were so many things/categories that were the best we’ve ever seen. Too many people complain about this game, who haven’t finished it. The completion rate based on trophies, is incredibly low.....like 20%. Astounding. What an experience. So grateful this kind of a game exists.
I dislike the epilogue.. thought it took away from Arthur and he's sacrifice. I could barely play the epilogue when Arthur died I liked him wayyyyy more than John.. I replay the game just to be Arthur ❤
How did it take away? It was Arthur's last wish to make sure Jack Abigail and John to have a chance at a better life. John got to have more time with his kid than Arthur did , his kid and wife where murdered.
@@liquidsnake8745 you play as arthur trough over half of the game. i liked the change and the tie in on how everything turned out before the events of the first game
PrimisPlaysGaming still disliked how they acted like nothing Arthur did or barely even mentioned him, if you wanna be John go play RDR 1 they should really have changed the ending and not make it as predictable as it was
@@liquidsnake8745 did you even play the prologue?? John states many times on how Arthur sacrificed himself for john. The reason for them not talking super much about arthur is because its been a few years since Arthur died and they might not want to keep talking about him as it can be painful to do such about a person you cared for.
I played it bad at first (Arthur is not a good guy), then slowly leaned towards good decisions as relationships within the gang started shifting and Arthur started getting sick. Probs the best way to play imo. I ended up getting the bad ending where Arthur gets shot in the head. Basically the video game version of Unforgiven.
Having to blast through a game like this to make a review isn’t a good idea. This girl kept getting surprised by details and side missions she never knew about. They need to give them copies another week in advance at least.
We need a zombie or aliens dlc and a bounty hunter dlc with Sadie and Charles and if rockstar wants to be super cool a dlc of the beginning of the gang so we can play as our beloved Arthur in his prime and truly be able to play as a evil person
They should have had the Comal Driscoll Quest where he gets hung a lot earlier in the story it was kind of at a place that late when everybody was all fighting and the band was all broken up didn't make much sense at the time
I freakin' love the fact that New Austin is part of the map in HD. But a bit disappointed and wished Armadillo and some areas would be populated as much as New Hanover.
The girl on the left did a poor job at reviewing the game, focusing too much on social issues within the game and even bringing up here in the podcast with the javier thing! This game is incredible and i believe it was wasted on someone looking to make an edgy review
Yeah she didn't know what she was saying... "It felt like I was playing uncharted! And I've never even played uncharted, so now I know what it's like." Wtf is she on???
She gave it a 9... And the Javier thing is valid criticism because Javier was just "The Mexican" in RDR and the Uncharted series is associated with old structures and tropical locales. I suspect you guys are just bitter incels.
In the mission where you get Rains Falls belongings back, you can stealth it without killing. You have to sneak round the back of the tent, grab the stuff, wait for the guard who comes out of the tent to pass and retrace your steps back up the mountain. It took me about 30 minutes because one guard glitched and got stuck walking in place looking at the stuff every time but it is possible.
I can't really take the opinions of people who didn't do the side missions seriously. That's where all the actual world and character building lie. This discussion is hollow.
I knew right after the Downes Family mission that was going to come back and bite Arthur in the ass. Just how callous he was and aggressive, it seemed off even for how early in the game it was. I figured the son would have came back killed him for revenge but the TB thing was subtle and the slow death made it so painful and impact.
I think it's lame that SO many people just flat powered thru story mode so that that can TRY to do a review!! Those people missed SO many layers to this beautiful game and should not do reviews. Honestly. It's kinda like test driving a dream car around the parking lot in 1st gear, once , then doing a FULL review and pretend you know everything it had to offer. Haha. RDR2 is nothing short of an Amazing game. 100% completion ftw!
8 years ago I was thinking how the hell will they ever top this? Now with RDR2 I’m thinking the exact same thing. In my opinion the first redemption had the most compelling story ever told in a video game and I can not believe RDR2 possibly has beaten it on that front, graphically they improved on just about everything and and just those things increase the replay value dramatically. The only issues I have are minor details that have little or no impact on the experience at all. If they can manage to get the online right this game could just be the closest I ever gotten to playing the perfect game.
Golgo 13 it is all part of the same story, but for me I can’t decide which I like most, RDR1 was a very solid story with flawless character development and used the power of simplicity, (again story wise), while RDR2 is much more emotional and deep, and has very complex characters and isn’t straight fore ward at all, but it is absolutely 100% done right, the story is all over the place, but for it to fit perfectly with RDR1 it had to be pure chaos. Maybe it’s because RDR1 will always have a special place in my heart, and it had the element of surprise while for RDR2 I already knew it was going to be superb. I really do feel like I like both parts of this story equally
I had lowest dishonour and after I died Charles and John talked about how I was always going for money but they laughed about it as if that was just me
The Rains Falls mission of retrieving the items has a gold requirement of stealth in under 1 30 seconds. It's possible to do. You head straight down the hill, there's a loose stone path to the left of the main path. You go down that and take out the guard patrolling that side of the camp. As long as you do that just about everyone in the camp is entirely oblivious to you even being there. Then you leave a similar way you came in. pretty much the only people who will see you are the guards patroling
How long did it take you to beat Red Dead 2?
Around 1 week because of school.
My hole life
About 8 and a half day's, playing daily too🤯
GameSpot Took me 3 days of non stop play.
Still not finished but can't resist
How can anyone not like Arthur’s last ride 😭😤
Literally the best part of the game.
Yeah. Screw these guys.
I played dishonorable until I found out Arthur got tb and the dreams were so good because of that it was wolves until I died which made the deer at the end so much more powerful it was like Arthur finally found his peace and it really got to me man
I envy you I was always a deer so I’m pretty sure it was more powerful for you , it still made me tear up
Amuro Diaz yeah it hit so hard for me bro
Me too
Exactly the same as me lol
On the John, Arthur and Dutch front, one of my favourite moments is when Arthur insists Dutch let John and the family leave. And then, Dutch fixates on "he insists".
I loved that as well. Dutch was so far gone at that point that he couldnt give up any control to Arthur.
Reminded me of the "I implores you" from RDR1
@food wich Definitely. I was half expecting him to just shoot Arthur right then and there.
1 hour of chat and Lenny’s death was not mentioned once ...
LEHHHNEHHH
Tragic
same as Sean's death
Money seeker BOTTOMS UP LENNY
I was so sad when Lenny died... I knew it was coming and as soon as i said oh no... i have the feeling Lenny is going to die soon he got shot!!! :/
Sadie didn't die if you watch the credits they show scenes of her in John Marstons wedding
@@MK_Mastr Ah yeah could be maybe we will see her in red dead online it would be nice to do bounties with her
@@gamingwolvez3158 Yep, we just meant after she left the Marston farm!
@@lucyjamesgames gotcha! I didn't get to the point yet when y'all said that but I also agree on the guarma part but have to say this game is amazing im in my 3rd playthrough I enjoyed this video
shes never mentioned again because she leaves for south america lol
MK Honestly her and Charles both mention right next to one another that Sadie intends to head down to South America and Charles intends to head up to Canada. Sounds like a hell of a DLC set up to me. They already have the assets for both of those climate types and landscapes ready to go.
This was probably mentioned in the comments already, but Edith Downes and her son do actually get a good ending to their story. Blackwater Ledger #75 (the last newspaper in the game) has an easily missed article where it's mentioned Edith and her son now own a popular golf course along with several other successful businesses out west, apparently having invested Arthur's money with great results!
Edith seemingly staying in Annesburg as a prostitute after you help her appears to just be a result of some dodgy quest flags allowing you to start and complete her quest out of sequence. I did it in the presumably intended order, so the cutscene with her entering the house with the john was the first time I saw Edith in Annesburg. Basically, that scene is supposed to be there to tell you Edith is in this town and make you go "oh shit, I hope I can help her out", but if you do things in the wrong order it accidentally serves as an ultra-bleak ending instead (I assume you still get the newspaper article, though).
you can see them if you watch the credits
This is a great game from top to bottom, the story was great, the gameplay was epic, the characters were great, this is the best open World game I have ever played.
I agree. And most of all it had some top tier bugs...
Yep, same here. Best game i ever played
The world is the most realistic world I've ever seen in an open world game. The npc's go to work in the morning, then go home, or go to the saloon, and get drunk. All the animals, and little critters runnin around. I love it. And Arthur is my favorite video game protagonist ever now.
ProfessTheFan same
@@cmcproductions26 when they are working and it rains they go inside their tents and wait, have coffee, smoke and just chill out until rain stops or night falls! 🙌🙌
6:16 You can tell Javier was really hurt by Arthur's "betrayal" of Dutch, he takes so long to point his gun at John and Arthur, and finally aims above their heads, showing that he really didn't want to kill them and still hoped everyone would get together. He basically had to leave his entire life in Mexico, alone in the states and Dutch took him in. Hes an incredible character if you just watch his actions.
I really wish I spent more time at camp(why walking around the camp was so slow) to spend more time Javier and others. I did like him playing the guitar.
@@InugamiTheHound You essentially want to just do nothing but listen to people talk but you hated the fact that you had to walk in camp? Those two statements conflict each other.
@ the walk speed for the camp was bit annoying. I wish I could walk faster
'HE AIMS HIS PISTOL AT THE SKY"
If you fully finish the downes quests Arthur gives them more money and at the end credits you see them get on a train and leave
Boyd Tickhill oh shit I missed that one and I did them all. Shit!
I think mine screwed up. I sent them on the train with the money. Then later in a story mission, she was whoring again.
@@FullConcerts100 same thing happened.
@@FullConcerts100 Yeah I think it's just the order of missions you do, so the train is probably what happens but doing the earlier missions makes it seem like Edith Downes is back in Annesburg.
They actually are getting on a boat during the credits
where tf is gavin
The npc admits he's not a veteran to Arthur if you visit valentine with tuberculosis.
@38:00 Fun fact. Downes is in Valentine in the beginning of the game, and he's coughing and sick as he's trying to build a house on the street. I didn't realize it was him until my second play through. Most likely building that house is the reason he took a loan from Strauss in the first place.
God damn this game is so perfectly put together.
He's also the guy who breaks up the muddy fight between Arthur and the big guy at the Valentine saloon.
he's actually raising money for the poor
When I got to Guarma I was like..
What is this... AC black flag
Kinda feel like uncharted 4
I liked it
Thought it was a good break and switch up
@@lanagievski1540 I agree, I liked the diversity of it. I just wish the entire story had that kind of uniqueness.
It seemed like too much run and gun. Shooting, cutscene, shooting, cutscene.
I really liked how gta 5 had such unique missions all throughout. If guarma is a high point in the game than the game should've been redesigned.
thought the game was about to become Far Cry 3
haha
I felt like when Arthur found out he has tuberculosis, his priority was to protect the gang. And, then I think he wanted to bring Dutch back from the "dark side".
He knew he was dying, and wanted to see if he could save his friend.
That's the way I saw it anyway.
Also, Sadie, Charles, Arthur, Dutch, and Josea's characters were amazingly done imo.
I agree, aside from protecting his gang I would say his main priority was to do a little good before he dies (evidenced by the ability to refuse payments and starting to give money left and right to strangers).
He knew that no matter how much money he got he was still gonna die, so he probably reflected on his life and made it his mission to give his 'brother' (john) the life he could never get.
Hosea
The fact you wear Arthur's hat as John when you go to fight micha hit me
It hits harder when you learn that hat was originally Arthur's father hat that he took as a momento
I think the role the Indians played was entirely related to Arthur’s morale redemption
I think none of you read much Arthur's journal, there is a lot of insight in it about he's journey.
Someone obviously didn't know you can unequip the bandolier and still carry more ammo...
HOLDUP
The end of that Strauss storyline is AMAZING. God I really fell head over heels in love with the game in chapter 6 resolving the Strauss and Downes storylines. Also Charlotte and Hamish the veteran in chapter 6. It was the icing on the cake for me, it was all sooooo good.
I couldnt agree more. Its a goddamn shame so many people missed out on them. Beautiful writing.
Davey Jones I wish it was mandatory tho. I still did it anyway but it would’ve been better if it was mandatory so that everyone can experience it
I played most of the Hamish story as Arthur, but then decided to do a story mission which turned out to be the last one. So I had to finish Hamish's story as John and I actually like the way it worked out. They talk a little bit about Arthur and taking Bule from him felt better because I wasn't attached to John's horse the way I was Arthur's.
Mr. Manager me too. I had the exact same experience as you
Bear Falcon nah, Strauss was a horrible person. But I still felt really bad about kicking him out after I found out what Charles said about him in the epilogue. So I just didn’t kick him out on my second playthrough
I randomly ran into Tilly in St. Denis while playing as John Marston. It wasn't a marked mission or even a white blip on the radar. She stopped me as I was walking by a tram stop. She said she is married to a lawyer and doing well. She hopped on the tram and said she would write letters. I haven't recieved a letter from her yet.
You can see mr Pearson in Rhodes general store too
dgmaffi u can meet rains fall and Mary Beth at annesburg station and valentine station
They didn't want you to focus on John..
They wanted to tie him in, but not have the focus on him. It's not his game..
Play RD 1 if you want more John.
Mr Smarty-pants completely agree. that's why I dislike the epilogue a bit, it tries to take the limelight away from Arthur and I hate that
@@liquidsnake8745 i believe the epilogue shows the impact Arthur had on his portion of the gang (sadie, john, charles, uncle, etc) and to show how Arthur's actions in the last chapter and ultimate sacrifice changed John from the Outlaw to the Hero/Family Man.
Id argue Red Dead 2 is ALL about John in many different ways. Red Dead Redemption is the story and tragedy of John Marston. And Arthur's story within that made it much better and well rounded. John became who Arthur wanted to be by the end. Even if only for a few years.
@@TheKillaShow yes i agree.
One of the things I almost completely forgot is there is a mission where you’re escaping from the army, going down a river in boats with Charles and Eagle Flies and after the ending cutscene Arthur is sat on a rock coughing and choking for around 50 second and there’s nothing you can do to end it early, you just have to sit there and watch Arthur pretty much decomposing. It was actually kind of distressing since you literally can’t do anything. It’s little things like that which really make you feel for Arthur, you see the down moments in which he’s living day to day life but knowing that the inevitable end is coming
The eagle flies mission was my last straw. I couldn’t press the TNT and I delayed that mission until it was the last thing on the map. Even while doing it I tried to stretch it to see if there was a choice. I did not want to be apart of Dutch’s plan there.
I always find it interesting when people involve themselves in a story so much, I think that's what games do so well. Since you're taking an action, you feel more responsible.
I always saw it as Arthur would do anything for Dutch. And, even at the end, he tries to reach out to Dutch.
Being of Native (Canadian) heritage those scenes with Rains Fall really meant a lot to me. Especially his speech near the end. My Last Boy will always be my favorite Red Dead mission. Love that charge down the hill with Charles.
The moment that got me the worst was when Arthur talks to the nun and tells her that he's afraid.
Saide did not die. She left last after the wedding when she was healed. Just watch the end credits.
The horse dying was the saddest part of the game in my opinion... especially if you did not rush the game and just went on adventures.... I named mine horse... Good boy he was... he did love running into wagons though... getting me almost killed on many occasions.. but still... when I needed him... he was there... even if just seconds before he bucked me off because of a snake I couldnt even see
Sounds just like good ol Buell...
"Good boy he was" lmao.
Luckily I got Buell as John.. It's still my horse... He did get himself burned alive once... but after just looking at the screen for a minute or so.. I reloaded a previous save @@lxix5968
My horse was named little sausage
"Thank ya"
As soon as heard him cough the first time my mind went to Doc Holiday.... and Marstons death... And I knew...
I am not going survive this huh
Some kind of Entity Tombstone is such a good movie.
Yup.....I immediately thought....”Why did he cough...that wasn’t a mistake, they put that there....then again, then again.....I thought back to Downes, the first collection....he was coughing everywhere and in Arthur’s face. Well, he got that cool $10 pen.
Sadie DLC that’s starts when she heard the news that John Marston is dead.
I mean the next chapter in that story is Jack's. I loved her, but aside from her death, is there really more to say about her? Whats left in her story arc?
Yeah naw mate I appreciate the character beyond her female badassness because she's got a well written progression. I dont understand why you get so stuck up on the fact they made a single female badass in a game with like 10 ridiculously overbadass males.
i like her a lot. it's not often that you get to see those "unstoppable force of nature badass" characters as people. at the very least, i'd be happy to see her as Jack's landon ricketts.
YO
Pls
No mention of Arthur's kidnapping by the O'Driscoll's?
Felt like such a weird thing given the game forgets about it as soon as it's resolved, and then it's overshadowed by Jack's disappearance.
Alex Núñez and his survival from two shotgun shots on his shoulder from point blank range
If I was an Indian I would be called “sloth sleeps”.
Yannick Naert Native America
"River Flows"
Wet Waters
"Worth the eight year wait?"
"I didn't wait eight years, so..."
Way to end the talk on a high note. Generally didn't like most of what she had to say, to be honest.
Girl on the left? Yeah I don't like her
Dev Last name it’s expected tho don’t let it bother you.
I think she just thought she meant 8 in game years for that certain mission, haha.
What hit me hardest in the feels was when I saw Mary Linton go and visit Arthur's grave
Game is so immersive. Did not expect to like Morgan as much as Marston. I kind of hoped the game would do the switch when the sequel was announced, but did not realize how bummed I would be to see the character depart. Kudos to Rockstar for throwing in a long epilogue with the return of John Marston. Any other developer would probably sell it as DLC seeing how long the game already is.
On another note, the cast mention how GTA 4 is very hard to play now. They are correct to an extent, but what easily alleviates this is to unlock cheats on your phone and use the taxi if you don't feel like driving. After the game saves, the cheats will always be there for you to use for replenishing health or ammo. The game too went for a more realistic experience compared to previous game. Niko like Morgan are very fleshed out and probably Rockstar's deepest lead characters.
What gotdamn plan Dutch?! Tahiti!? Timbuktu!? As serious of a moment that was, that brought out a good laugh.
I think seeing Mrs Downes after you give her money is a glitch. You’re probably not supposed to be able to do her side missions until Chapter 6 begins which has the cutscene where you see her in Annesburg.
You see Mrs Downes and her son leaving on a boat in the end credits!
I thought that was the inbreed retelling of Romeo and Juliet couple. The gray's son and braithwaites(?) daughter
When I went to McFarlanes ranch there was someone stood outside John's shack. I greeted them and John said 'That's a nice place you've got there.'
Definitely not intentional but holy shit that's some foreshadowing.
I’m a fan of the old west and western movies and as soon as Arthur was told he had TB I knew then he was going to die. I also felt grateful that Rockstar gave us, I’m trying to find the right word, time to realize that Arthur was going to die, unless you don’t really know how serious TB is, especially back in those times. Sadder ending than RDR1. It really hit me when my horse died and Arthur took a minute to make sure that it died with comfort and said Thank you. I played dishonorable mostly so I got shot. But overall kinda liked the sorta Doc Holliday ending for Arthur. Gave us time to adjust that he was going to die than straight playing a mission and BAM he’s dead. It made it more meaningful in my opinion because I got to come to terms quick that he was going to die and I was actual grateful for that. Great game. Started my second play through as soon as the end credits ended and that ain’t no joke. Love this game. Favorite hands down. I honesty thought I gave him TB by not taking caring of him enough, and felt like shit for it for awhile lol. I know that’s not how it is but at the time that’s what I thought lol also I was thinking maybe they were going to let us play as Sadie after all of it but I thought it was neat that we can play as John that was my second guess
Greatest game so far!
Like dying of dysentery in oregon trail lol
Ay! Guy with the pink shirt.. 🗣MOST SENSE AT THE TABLE!!!
3 DLC's Epilogue 3 and 4 as Sadie and Charles.
Prologue as either Lenny, Hosea, Sean, Mac Callander or Davey Callander in the Blackwater robbery.
The one thing I hate about these discussions from these “Gamers” is that they’re job takes them away from the game too much. They just don’t know shit about the game really. They know what’s on the face of the story but I can tell they haven’t took the time to REALLY pay attention to the characters, read the notes, listen to conversation, do the stranger missions, and like REALLY DIVE into this game.
May not be possible given the length of the game and the time they had available.
Theyve suffered heavily from having to hit deadlines. I finished the game yesterday (finished the epilogue anyway) and took a nice steady pace, not finishing every side quest but not actively avoiding them either. And you get so much of the back story and attachment to characters from the side missions, so much so that I felt like lennys death and dutch walking out on Arthur, only for eagal flies to save you was the two scenes with the most emotional impact for me.
I agree. From listening to other spoiler casts like IGN, a lot of really important details are forgotten about or gotten wrong about the story and I can only imagine that it’s due to them ploughing through the story.
@@2Chonky2Furious That's literally what he's saying. "their job takes them away from the game too much" Becuase they even HAVE a time limit inherently takes away from the amount of story they can fit in since they are always against the clock. The girl on the left even jokes about it multiple times, when it's not really funny to not fully understand the story and atmosphere of the time.
Are you 12? These are people who have to interact with games professionally, with standards, expectations, deadlines and rules to follow. It's what being an adult who games is like.
All jokes aside I haven’t seen someone crack this Gavin Easter egg yet. But I’m startin to think someone in the rockstar offices was named Gavin & he was in some corner with his headphones in & the entire building was looking for him & he was on RUclips & they added it to the game as an inside joke.
Gavin is a time traveler.
It might be Gavin from Achievement Hunter. Geoff and Jack are in the game and Gavin's English so it would make sense.
I still can't decide if WItcher 3 or RDR2 is my fav game of this generation. But hell, I am happy we got both of them :D
Agree
Lol, the Witcher 3.
Best 2 open world games i played. Witcher 3 is still the best imo. Has a better story and missions. The side quests are better than most of RDR2 main quests.
This might tick people off but I found the Witcher 3 incredibly dull and thought RDR2 was the best game I ever played in my life.
How could you not stealth that rains fall mission😂😂🙈
right? i was shocked how easy it was to do, the guards were half-blind
bucky 9 wait what? How? I only took out three guards before the three in the middle saw me and I knocked them out. Took me three goes
This needed to be longer, ive been waiting for this type of chat
I hate Dutch. 99% of the time he makes a poor choice, puts the gang in a bad spot and then screams at Arthur's "lack of faith."
Have some faieeeeth!
T A H I T I
Loyalty Arthur!!
One.. more.............. goddamn score
Listen I have a p l a n
I didn't kill anyone when retrieving the artifacts for Rains Fall, I just ran in there with them shooting at me, soaked up the bullets like a proper upc sponge, got the artifacts as quick as possible and left, they didnt even chase me.
You can run into the camp and beat the hell out of every soldier, then leave the last one to flee and tell the story of a mad man who wearing the head of bear as trophy, punched a whole squad into a coma. And it counts as not killing anyone.
I liked Guarma alot! i think it gave a feeling of how big of a journey arthur, dutch etc had.
In the ending cutscene you do end up seeing ms Downes leave on a train.. I got the same cutscene where she is still in town.. I think that was supposed to be BEFORE you do her last quest
I didn’t play RDR, so I appreciated the Epilogue. Once I found out he was the protagonist of RDR early on, i said, “Really?!?! That whiny guy??” Then I got to Chapter 6 and started liking him.
The epilogue made me love him!! Not as much as Arthur, but still-I appreciated why he was compelling once he was away from the gang.
There's a huge chunk of the map in which no story elements take place (which is awesome). I would love for any story-based dlc to take place here.
You can also find Mary Beth, rain falls, miss tilly and mr Pearson during and after the epilogue.
When Arthur passes the satchel to John ...damm :(
man, i found it so easy to get the chanupa stealth no kill. game journalists will forever be bad at games
Maybe we will get a two part dlc like in gta 4. Aboute sadie and charles
Hope so
Or Dutch and Hosea
Guarma was essentially in the game to demonstrate that no matter where the gang goes they'll be drawn into conflict. It's the narrative equivalent of smashing you over the head with the foreshadowing the gang's fate. At least that's what I thought about it during my playthrough, it wasn't bad but it's their "Tahiti" and it's somehow even more chaotic than back at home.
Right. I had to change my opinion bout guarma. But they pushed things way too far with the epilog.
I think the dragging on, repetitive missions was to get you to feel how Arthur felt about having to follow dutch over and over again into failure. i think it was a risky but good move by rockstar.
Theres no excuse for repetitive missions and questionable game design. If that really was the developers intention to show then they could have done it differently. It should have been there job to be creative but they just cared too much for details👌
one look at this bunch and i can tell none of their Arthurs took the time to give that final "thank you"
They played off the TB sickness perfectly. The ominous ride back was enough to tip me off that something bad happened there. The fact that Downes would keep coming up in the story, hearing that he had died from the disease, all leading up eventually to the end of the game. All the details. That the game world is in a dry spell until AFTER you're sick, and it starts raining and you're constantly getting wet, progressing the disease.
If you watch the crazy long credits, it shows Sadie and charles leaving and then there are journal entries about this. And seeing how they butt right up to red dead and have all the real estate of the first one, I believe whole heartedly that there will be dlc bringing the red dead 1 story into this world engine. Fingers crossed
I think a great post game update for after you roll credits would be a GTA V style character wheel that lets you switch between John, Sadie and Charles.
The guarma chapter would have been better if they had just got captured and gone to the prison in Lemoyne and have a cool escape plan mission.
You have to do side missions with javier like the fishing one to see his progression and liyalty to dutch
Felix The Barber Or just listen to him at the campfire. He describes how bad of a situation he was in before he met Dutch, and how Dutch did so much to help and take care of him.
Has enyone seen a gavin
57:25 If you go to Armadillo during the epilogue the whole town is pretty much evacuated. If you go down to one side of the town there's a man packing up with a mask and says everyone is leaving due to cholera being spread throughout the town. This might be a slight nod to the fact that Marston's daughter will die from it.
I did it all stealth. You where supposed to use your whistle and tnt sticks to draw them out of camp.
This video feels like you guys read a book you didn’t want to read and are now talking about it. This is one of the best open world games ever, stories, etc. and y’all talking like it’s AC3
I was disappointed that there was no real explanation to what went wrong at Blackwater. I really hope this is explored further in a future dlc.
Kurt Mueller I was discussing this with a friend the other day, tbh the guarma section could’ve acted as a flashback to sort of mirror how badly the saint Dennis’s robbery went in comparison to black waters and how Dutch has been doing this for years
Nah not everything needs to be explained. The events Being somewhat a mystery really sets the whole game up. Explaining it is unnecessary
Gotta disagree with you, unfortunately. I like that it didn't explain everything because you're playing as Arthur who wasnt there, who didn't know what happened so why, as the player, would you be allowed to know. Idk I just don't think everything needs an explanation, mystery is a part of life 🤷
Stuballs yeah i hope in rdr3 you play as dutch up to the blackwater fiasco.
It seems like the person who was tasked with reviewing this game, listening to her talk, basically missed out on most of the finer details of the game's plot and focus, where the guy on the right basically explained it to her.
I would marry Sadies voice
When she is all tough eating while talking to john about a bounty was awesome.
It sounds sexy now but it sounds like it's going to sound like that old lady who you know smoke 2-3 packs of cigs a day.
Everyone keeps saying it's a wolf when you're dishonorable but it's a coyote not a wolf
Guarma would've been better as a Pseudo-Survival area where you start off with empty cores and you have to find weapons to defend yourself from animals exclusive to the Island, while trying to find Dutch & co.
Glasses guy is the only one who understood the whole point of Chapter Five.
50:53 soap opera song? Everyone is saying this part is the most emotional part of any video game and you lot don't like it.......jog on Gamespot.
LOL @ people being pissed she gave the game a 9/10. That is a rare score, a must play score. Nothing is perfect, and there were legit criticisms in numerous places. Its plain to see that this game is incredible to some, and not that great to others. This is fine. I loved it, but I don’t think its a 10/10. There were so many things/categories that were the best we’ve ever seen. Too many people complain about this game, who haven’t finished it. The completion rate based on trophies, is incredibly low.....like 20%. Astounding.
What an experience. So grateful this kind of a game exists.
Hosea was the check on Dutch, once Hosea died that was the moment the shit hit the fan big time
Why is no one talking about the blow Dutch took to the head? That concussion seems to be the start of his changed behaviour...
I dislike the epilogue.. thought it took away from Arthur and he's sacrifice. I could barely play the epilogue when Arthur died I liked him wayyyyy more than John.. I replay the game just to be Arthur ❤
How did it take away? It was Arthur's last wish to make sure Jack Abigail and John to have a chance at a better life. John got to have more time with his kid than Arthur did , his kid and wife where murdered.
FiniteVoid it's Arthur's game not Johns, epilogue was really not necessary to be 7 hours or whatever
@@liquidsnake8745 you play as arthur trough over half of the game. i liked the change and the tie in on how everything turned out before the events of the first game
PrimisPlaysGaming still disliked how they acted like nothing Arthur did or barely even mentioned him, if you wanna be John go play RDR 1 they should really have changed the ending and not make it as predictable as it was
@@liquidsnake8745 did you even play the prologue?? John states many times on how Arthur sacrificed himself for john. The reason for them not talking super much about arthur is because its been a few years since Arthur died and they might not want to keep talking about him as it can be painful to do such about a person you cared for.
I played it bad at first (Arthur is not a good guy), then slowly leaned towards good decisions as relationships within the gang started shifting and Arthur started getting sick. Probs the best way to play imo. I ended up getting the bad ending where Arthur gets shot in the head. Basically the video game version of Unforgiven.
Having to blast through a game like this to make a review isn’t a good idea. This girl kept getting surprised by details and side missions she never knew about. They need to give them copies another week in advance at least.
We need a zombie or aliens dlc and a bounty hunter dlc with Sadie and Charles and if rockstar wants to be super cool a dlc of the beginning of the gang so we can play as our beloved Arthur in his prime and truly be able to play as a evil person
I didn’t kill anyone at the camp during the rains fall mission! Just knocked everyone out and Arthur told him that no one was killed
They should have had the Comal Driscoll Quest where he gets hung a lot earlier in the story it was kind of at a place that late when everybody was all fighting and the band was all broken up didn't make much sense at the time
I freakin' love the fact that New Austin is part of the map in HD. But a bit disappointed and wished Armadillo and some areas would be populated as much as New Hanover.
You cannot review this game properly unless you play it over and over before you can do a proper review. This game is beautiful
The girl on the left did a poor job at reviewing the game, focusing too much on social issues within the game and even bringing up here in the podcast with the javier thing! This game is incredible and i believe it was wasted on someone looking to make an edgy review
Yeah she didn't know what she was saying...
"It felt like I was playing uncharted! And I've never even played uncharted, so now I know what it's like."
Wtf is she on???
@@quantumleap4023 drugs I believe
She gave it a 9...
And the Javier thing is valid criticism because Javier was just "The Mexican" in RDR and the Uncharted series is associated with old structures and tropical locales.
I suspect you guys are just bitter incels.
Zac Thomas not an incel just giving opinion on her criticisms that we don’t find valid.
Arthur morgan wokest cowboy title is cringy af
Finally spoiler talk!
the girl on the left should never be in a gamespot video ever again
Christian Longo you could tell she’s the type to always need the spotlight
In the mission where you get Rains Falls belongings back, you can stealth it without killing. You have to sneak round the back of the tent, grab the stuff, wait for the guard who comes out of the tent to pass and retrace your steps back up the mountain. It took me about 30 minutes because one guard glitched and got stuck walking in place looking at the stuff every time but it is possible.
The camp conversations are very interesting. Javier has a couple of good ones. He messes bill up in one.
I can't really take the opinions of people who didn't do the side missions seriously. That's where all the actual world and character building lie. This discussion is hollow.
Yup.
I knew right after the Downes Family mission that was going to come back and bite Arthur in the ass. Just how callous he was and aggressive, it seemed off even for how early in the game it was. I figured the son would have came back killed him for revenge but the TB thing was subtle and the slow death made it so painful and impact.
I managed to stealth that rains fall mission, he gives you an owl feather trinket for your murder avoidance
Danny S I knocked everyone out with my pistol
I think it's lame that SO many people just flat powered thru story mode so that that can TRY to do a review!! Those people missed SO many layers to this beautiful game and should not do reviews. Honestly. It's kinda like test driving a dream car around the parking lot in 1st gear, once , then doing a FULL review and pretend you know everything it had to offer. Haha. RDR2 is nothing short of an Amazing game. 100% completion ftw!
When your going to get the artifacts for Rains Fall you can knock them out by tackling/punching them and you don’t kill them that’s what I did.
8 years ago I was thinking how the hell will they ever top this? Now with RDR2 I’m thinking the exact same thing. In my opinion the first redemption had the most compelling story ever told in a video game and I can not believe RDR2 possibly has beaten it on that front, graphically they improved on just about everything and and just those things increase the replay value dramatically. The only issues I have are minor details that have little or no impact on the experience at all. If they can manage to get the online right this game could just be the closest I ever gotten to playing the perfect game.
I absolutely agree with you
You think the first Red Dead has a more compelling story than the second? How?
Golgo 13 it is all part of the same story, but for me I can’t decide which I like most, RDR1 was a very solid story with flawless character development and used the power of simplicity, (again story wise), while RDR2 is much more emotional and deep, and has very complex characters and isn’t straight fore ward at all, but it is absolutely 100% done right, the story is all over the place, but for it to fit perfectly with RDR1 it had to be pure chaos. Maybe it’s because RDR1 will always have a special place in my heart, and it had the element of surprise while for RDR2 I already knew it was going to be superb. I really do feel like I like both parts of this story equally
Also the voice acting in RDR2 is phenomenal 👌🏼
I had lowest dishonour and after I died Charles and John talked about how I was always going for money but they laughed about it as if that was just me
The Rains Falls mission of retrieving the items has a gold requirement of stealth in under 1 30 seconds. It's possible to do.
You head straight down the hill, there's a loose stone path to the left of the main path. You go down that and take out the guard patrolling that side of the camp. As long as you do that just about everyone in the camp is entirely oblivious to you even being there. Then you leave a similar way you came in.
pretty much the only people who will see you are the guards patroling