How to Defend Big Guy Attacks (and the Honor of Jiu-Jitsu)
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
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Ezequiel chokes (aka sleeve chokes) are totally legitimate attacks inside the guard. I've seen high level people put to sleep that way.
I used this today. New guy came in, not super big and I've only been training since march, but he went head lock in my closed guard and I remembered watching this, shrugged, shrugged, shrugged, and took his back. Thank you guys
Did you get cauliflower? Haha
lmao Stephen "sounds like you have an opinion here". Funny guy. Thanks for the vids you guys.
+1234kingconan Same thought here XD
I LOVE THIS! I've been training for about 4 months and I've been caught in almost all of these. I will definitely be coming back to this video and owning these big guys!!
Thanks for showing the headlock, I got caught yesterday by a big guy lying in my guard and getting an Ezekiel choke on me and I was kicking myself afterward thinking of the options I could have done. I've been training for about 5 months and I always have trouble with top pressure from big guys but this video really helped. Going to drill these a lot so I never get caught like that again.
I'm just here to learn how to counter counter little squirrely dudes that think their name is jack and they want to steal my golden egg laying goose.
What lol????
Thanks some big guy crossfaced me in my closed guard last night and didn't know how to escape. Kept trying to push him back with my legs and frame off his neck but wasn't getting anywhere
Thanks guys I’m a big dude 230 and I do this shit all the time. Although it’s mostly because I’ve only been training for a few months and sometimes I just draw blanks trying not to get subbed.
Seriously, the first collar choke happened to me on my 4th practice, exactly the same as demonstrated, I'm ready for it now lol 😃🤙🏽 Thanks for these videos
Lol at flashbacks . Back in the 90s all 4 of those attacks were standard Judo tactics in dealing with my guard during Newaza sessions when Jiu Jitsu was not familiar in US. That last one from the half guard is still a pain in the ass and was the hardest to defend against for me. This was a great instructional for those not used to being attacked like that.. Thanks
Thanks for putting this video up. Those are techniques that always confuse me and throw me off my game, because higher level guys would never go for them. The result is usually that I get frozen for a while until I figure my way out of them, but its nice to have some techniques ready to nullify them immediately.
A-sometimes you need to be faster or not get into bad position
B- the game is keeping the distance with your legs and body while he got the first hand in the collar
C- you can still take the armlock - depends on your level,position and ability to roll on your stomach
D- its always hard to catch big and strong guys on armlocks - chocks are better!
good luck
how come i have never seen these guys before? very legit stuff, I actually love when people try cross cholks from guard, armbar or omoplata is perfect there, there is a few sweeps to.
Yep i get the idea of utilising technique so when i come against a stronger, more powerful opponent i won't get demolished.
Yes i train very hard and am constantly learning from defeats. Thanks again man
Not gonna lie, when i started BJJ I was VERY guilty of doing some of these things lol. Realised they don't work that way after like a month haha.
thats is true to an extent. If all you drill americanas from inside the guard chances are you will catch a lot of inexperienced grapplers with it but anybody that knows what they are doing and even occasionally drills arm bars will recognize the crossing your arm over situation and immediately go for the armbar. You have to remember that the person whose guard you are in is in the dominant position so you should try to escape their guard and move to a more dominant position before attacking.
It's all about body mechanics, namely the fact that angle of joints and the pressure of weight on top of you can sometimes make your guard less effective. If you're a big guy, and your opponent opens himself for a choke, then by all means take it! Just make sure you're in control, and be ready to react and back out immediately. Also, it's main use is as a distraction, or feint, to provoce a reaction, that can be exploited.
As a 5'5" guy with 7 months in, I get these a lot from brand new white belts. I rarely tap to them, but I rarely get out, either. I need to use my legs more I think.
This video was awesome. Very applicable/practical! Oss!
What if your big guy opponent is strong enough (on the X choke part) to stand up and lift you up with him? What's the best thing to do at that step to counter it?
to be fair though, collar chokes from inside guard can be a good faint if you're on top of a guy with a really tight closed guard. I'd never go for one with the intent of choking them out, but it can be a way of causing a distraction so the guy on bottom doesn't get the freedom to work his guard game uninterrupted.
Thanks for this guys. got tapped by kimura twice in training last night by a huge guy that started in our gym. It was frustrating because I knew that I could easily get out of it but just kept making all the wrong moves. gonna give this a try next time im rolling with him and hopefully get better results. oss.
i get so pissed this guy who look like he weighs 240 but im only 190... always in side control i cant escape that freaking pressure and hes so heavy my arms gives up and then i dont know what to do and when i try to learn how to escape it doesnt work
it can be but if he gets a grip lock by grabbing his wrist or interlocking his fingers he can stay like that for awhile also if his legs are wrapped around the waist it can be very hard to get out of it, best bet is to be stronger than the other guy and less tired as well as calm
Haha, I'm a big guy who has done all of those...the difference is, I have never expected them to work (I know I can expect an armbar), and they never have. Also, I do them to bigger, stronger guys as well :) !
So why have I used them? Simple, really: you can't neither armbar me, nor take my back, without opening your legs (OK, the latter is possible, but most people still open them). I suck at opening the closed guard, I'm lazy, and I know that white belts like me are going to submitted a lot, so I don't mind risking another one...perfect combo ;)!
Also, as I'm learning more about guard passing, I use those moves less and less. Big guys can learn, too!
missed the classic Ezekiel when in someones guard
I wish I saw this last week! I have been training for 4 months now and I was sparring this guy who was in his first month. He did the headlock thing from guard. Now I assumed it was gonna be like a stall move or he was gonna eventually move on to something else or something so i figured I'd try and wait it out, wrong! He just stayed there pressing his shoulder into my face. I eventually pushed his arm up and put him in the arm triangle position from bottom and worked for his back.
Only down side to the kimura escape you showed, is if it is high lock (closer to shoulder), you slide right into the paint brush. Big guys probably wouldn't know that though. Awesome sneak attack though. Kimura over the shoulder and give up your back. The position change locks it in place.
Choking someone in their guard with their lapel is somewhat popular in judo. I believe the idea, in judo at least, is to get someone who has a tight closed guard to open. My first judo sensei used to use the move a lot, and I have used it. I think it is called kata juji jime. I also recall seeing a video on you tube of a BJJ tournament where a BB in judo chokes out a BB in BJJ with the technique.
Depends, basic top control, whether in half or full guard. Decent guard passes.
Someone just told me what the technique is called in BJJ. Look up Amassa Pao. It works to open up their guard if they are playing a tight closed guard game. You need to have a good base, and you know they can go for the armbar, but it makes them move and react.
Great basics that are unfortunately often forgotten. Also, ten points for the presentation ^_^ Mr. Mullins, awesome stuff :D
Some people just have a genetic advantage in size. I'm 220 pounds and I always roll with guys 180+. If its Im stuck rolling with a smaller guy, I always pull guard or let them mount and practice sweeps and escapes.
Thank you for this video!!! I get stuck in a lot of these positions!
I'm 5'9" around 150, and I'm constantly taking on guys 200+ at 6, 6'5". Truth is you just godda keep fighting. No matter how big or weight size. Determination will get you through anything.
There's three versions of this 'x choke', if this is the term you use for the different cross lapel chokes we use in Judo. Knowing the Japanese names helps distinguish them from one another.
For the second one, if you don't get your head out and the guy on top controls your arm, it can easily turn into a pass to kesa gatame.
That's the best I can do without getting too detailed for this format. I want to make sure you got what I said though about WHY everyone is so against using strength and hope you got that part. The only other thing I'd say is that you should try to celebrate every loss in training like it means a victory elsewhere. If you value each one for the lesson you can learn from it, it can mean exactly that. You MUST allow yourself to be tested to failure in training. No failure? No learning.
This video couldn't be more accurate. Big guy in my gym always attacks me when he's in my guard (and it works sometimes 😭)
Thank you for putting this vid up, muchly appreciated.
The problem with these is that it's never a cross collar choke. It's an Ezekiel or a punch choke where they're on their feet stacked all the way into your head with their head down. No chance you can make space for an armbar. And if you start trying to work for a back take, they just abandon, reset, and do it again lol
we had a 2x ncaa d1 all american wrestler who is a blue belt in bjj come in the other night. he tapped our brown belt instructor with an ezekiel choke from inside the full guard. this was in no gi.
Im just curious as to why their is such a bad stamp on brute force submissions? I can get a knuckle choke on an unsuspeting opponent pretty much 90% of the time, but everytime I do it people get like frustrated... Completely ignoring brute force submissions is dangerous in my opinion. I knew a high level blue belt who, in a bar fight, ended up on bottom and got raped choked by a big bouncer. Bouncer was huge and just grabbed his neck with both hands and choked him out from inside the guard..... if it works.... then why hate on it
I can imagine a couple of reasons why. First, you simply can't teach someone to be big and strong. It isn't primarily a matter of instruction or technique, so there isn't much of a point in spending time on it. Second, winning by brute force often leads to sloppy technique, which can get you in trouble when and if you run into someone stronger or more skilled than you. My experience is that I often have a harder time gauging my own performance against smaller opponents. I can screw up in all kinds of ways but still "win" simply by weighing a smaller opponent down through sheer mass. In a related third point, BJJ is a sport. Brute force might be an asset when practicing, but it loses a bit of its edge as soon as weight classes become an issue.
if a blue belt get choked out that way he should find another instructor...
True u should be aware of those submissions but they wont work on someone whos good, Im a purple belt in bjj, also with Catch wrestling experience, its better to strike someone in a real situation than to try someone goofy move like that, lol.
without using bjj only "common sense" is not really hard to break that "movie cliche choke"
Imo, belts are not that important.. Blue belts make up the most diverse amount of knowledge and usually separate responsibility of being purple. Should we ignore these techniques of brute strength? ? Of course not, but should a properly trained smaller weaker individual tap to them?.. This is where I believe this black belt is taking his stance on these type of techniques
Thanks for taking your valuable time to teach this. Thanks!!!
This is BRILLIANT
The guard sub attempts seen that so so so many times
A lot of BJJ teachers do use the Japanese names. It is just easier for English speaking people to understand when they make their own English version of the technique.. When it is said in Japanese, everyone will have a hard time remembering what it is since they don't know what any Japanese word actually means. We can break X-Choke down easily since we speak the language...
Yea like MrWangskungfooey said, you can leave mount and go to the opposite side of the arm he is choking with
And let's be clear, the reason not to use strength in training is so that when you come up against that rare guy, bigger stronger and faster than you, you still have the same chance. If you're in a real fight for something genuinely important, use your strength, just don't use it to your own detriment.
That looks more like the technique we use than kata juji jime. Thanks!
I started in judo and in my humble opinion that only works if you are stronger or if the guy doesn´t know much...
Right, which is the absolute best way to do it. But depending on the position of the person attempting a submission, "X-Choke" can mean something else, if you were on the back vs a choke from the guard. It's the MMA type people IMO.. not BJJ people. But they both are guilty to an extent.
I'm 6'3' 300 lbs and dont feel like I was built for jiu-jitsu but have done it for 4 years now and developed my own style. Being big doesnt mean you have to be looked at as a bully.
First day of ground game in Judo, my instructor specifically advised us not to do the first three things you mentioned, though, with most of us being novice and likely unaware of the risks of reaching through a full guard, it was likely to cut down on potential injuries from these obvious counters leading to very strong arm bars and chokes, lol
Thanks for these tips vs bigger guys who are stronger and use theyr muscles, they come in handy for a skinny guy like me:D
I forgot to armbar from guard when strong guy was choking in my guard 😞
Well, top "control" from inside guard is problematic because that's what "guard" is all about, control from the bottom. Once you pass guard to at least half then you've got something. When you say "decent" guard passes, I'd say that the basic ones are the best and if you just keep working them, they work the best. Be very aware of the moment that the guard changes from open to closed or from one form to another, these you need to exploit because that's when your opponent is weakest.
the opp need to give certain resistance to show that your technique /mechanism does work, and not just a plan of attack/strategy. body mechanism means: opp has no way to counter (easily) and you can achieve your intended body positions.
well i been tried to be submitted by all this cases plus Americana as well from half guard. Then again we are all wight bests still. Thx for the video. You will find this kind of attacks from some judokas as well. (not black belts)
Omg ty this literally happens to me all the time
I think ezekiel choke is a bit better from the guard. There was one ex-judo guy who did it to me once. I assumed that it would be easy to defend, because I was on the bottom guard. But it was on so fast that the superior leverage provided by my legs was of little use. It was quite suprising, because you don´t expect to be choked from there. Then again, I was white belt, so defence might actually be easier than I thought.
i recognized myself doing this things on judo and bjj...even not being a big guy, now i clearly see why they don't work with high level judokas or bjj players.
Not everyones a black belt in BJJ, so to ridicule people and get mad is a touch obnoxious. Its a good video but i see why some disliked it.
You're right...I can't imagine he knows anything about defeating larger opponents. I'm willing to bet he has NEVER had to roll with any bigger guys on his journey to black belt. Hell...maybe he goes to a "lightweight only" school....
I literally did the first two things on my first class, and guess what, I got arm barred
submissions CAN be done from inside someone's guard. common, no, but possible and not always bad technique. there's a bjj vs judo video on youtube where a judo black belt chokes a bjj black belt unconscious in a tournament with an ezekial from inside the bjj guy's guard.
These Brazilian Jujitsu techniques demonstrated here would work awesomely every time if an opponent doesn’t fight back and put himself in a bad predicament for you to choke him out!
Kelly Davis in Macon GA 🦅
thats what im sayin. good job brother.
The Amassa Pao can be effective when you're in someone's guard if you stay aware while doing it.
Oh man .. I watched my id dominate an adult in white belt division. So much so I thought match was over and then they guy escaped mount and was in guard with 30 seconds left. With 5 seconds left kid tapped to cross choke from inside his own guard. I am that guy who this stuff was so obvious to me that I felt no need to teach it . Lesson learned
needed this 2 years ago
Love this entire series...probably cause I'm 150lbs! Go figure. ;-)
I laugh for myself every time someone try to submit me from inside my guard. But know I have a better idea on how to punish them for it. Great video. I did do this myself like my first 2 days of BJJ before I understod it was dumb to try it. Posission before submission. I am a big guy 6'6'', but would never try to submit from inside a guard.
happens to me in every training for the last 6 months - (white belt Graccie Barra). I will be trying out these techniques. all the guys I spar with are about 10kg heavier than me. I do believe some strength is also required. there is where i fail...
Not all aspects.....alot of the moves are intended for small guys vs larger opponents. I cant invert or do some of the smaller guy moves, I played football so flexibility isnt always there. I mean gravity is always a big guy advantage in some areas as long as you stay on top but and also has its disadvantages when you're not. I get the turtle on its back feeling sometimes.
I've had plenty of big strong dudes try the collar choke and americana when then they are in my guard... it's pretty ineffective, no matter how big they are... when you have a guy in your closed guard, the physics (having control of his hips) are on your side...
An ezekiel choke or amasso pao are not "ideal", but they make the person on bottom react and move. I wish I was a master like you so I only needed to use moves when they are ideal. I like the move, and I am rarely bigger or significantly stronger than the people use it on. It makes the person on bottom work and open up, so I can pass.
should make a video of you two rolling be great and great tips
The problem with the cross collar one is that big guys do the choke wrong and you can't armbar them because their elbows are too bent and they are too strong
g 3ds
And they are standing up and stacking, not kneeling and can't spin for arm bar.
I was told to underhook the leg and flower/pendulum sweep, sorta works most of the time.
Going for an x choke in guard is dumb. If anything an ezekiel choke. I completely agree with the guy that says "I hate it!" because it's not ideal. It's a "big guy" attack which a lot of the time results in them getting their backs taken!
i do bjj in Russia and people try to do this sort of shit on me all the time, so thak you for the gide "how to stop bully"
thanks that was very well done. good teacher
Cool. Can you make a No GI example? I'd like to see that applied in the aforementioned format.
You can get that Kimura from top half, though...need to be flexible and get the leg over his head....just learned that 😀
wait. That's not a big guy thats a Giant Guy.
he goes against big guys every day at our school i should know he is my instructor plus the fact that the absolute bracket goes before you compete at your weight why would you risk getting injured in the absolute and then not be able to compete at your weight. He competes at the lightest weight he could get injured even by accident as he takes a big guy down. Competing at your weight is the important one absolute comes second
So..this is what black belts do....I can't wait to do all of these techniques
I started in judo and already have strong hands, attacking inside someone´s guard is not good , they can sweep you all the way, the reason why those attacks work is because some people forget to use their legs, usually newbies...I love judo by the way but that thing in newaza instead passing guard is something I hate...
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You are much better off with standing up, opening the guard, passing with a leg drag or leg weave, maybe spin to the back if they go to their knees. But trying to sub someone in their guard that is good, will just result in you annoying and maybe hurting them in the processes, them getting angry and choking you extra hard.
*Insert True Story meme here*
My bro! I know that feeling! Im 6'6" and i can barely do press ups!
I think that might've been an ezekiel choke.
People usually don't fall for it twice but yeah you can do it.
As always, thanks for the great videos! When I tried the last move (5:20) in training, it worked twice, but on the third time, the dude did a big back step (5:27) and moved to side control. How can I stop the back step when I use the butterfly hook to elevate the guy?
lights out. thank you
this video will help me so much!!
So, if you weren't the first one to do it, you can't do it? Awesome logic man.
I got that Americana defence to armbar in practice
Overall, great video. I'm just not a fan of that headlock escape. It would be better to slide your way on top (a much stronger escape platform as Saulo Ribeiro says) and do a headlock escape from there. You escape and get the added benefit of not developing cauliflower ear.
I'm a little guy and I live to dominate the top game. Big guys generally aren't as Mobil on thier backs and if you have good base you will do great.
Awesome stuff thanks!
What about for someone who is smaller but heavier and denser. I'm 5' 9'' but I only weigh 140-145lbs and sometimes I have issues with short guys who are still heavy.
Cool story bro. In judo if there is no signifigant action for 3 seconds the ref will stand you back up. I have been practicing judo for about 12 years and I have won most of my matches on the ground. If you want to keep the action on the ground and uke wants to stall a leg drag is too slow. Judo is fast and dynamic, BJJ is technical and methodic. Choking someone in their guard works. There is video evidence of this, and I am telling you it is popular and effective even if you are not bigger.