why cant you just have a large tv big enough to see from bed and controller why would anyone need a handheld tiny screen and less freedom u have to hold it up
Not only this, but you need a seperate USB hub JUST for the damn thing. I mean what the hell? two separate chargers for each "fauxcon", another for the display part, another USB to power the wireless HDMI dongle, and yet another for the bluetooth adapter (assuming the computer doesn't have built-in bluetooth)?
for the love of god what is the point if I'm going to be within line of sight of the actual device anyway??? this is the most smooth brain device I've seen all year
You can use it with an extension cord and have it function in the whole room, like an antenna. I have a 1000$ handheld that 70% of the time i use it laying in my room. this solution would me lighter, have more battery time and would allow me to have way better graphics and performance for when Im using it like that. And it has a plus side of being compatible with any hdmi console. The tecnology is sound but I dont know if this product can do it, but its also possible to have multiple "antennas" transmiting the signal through the house so that you can use it in any room.
It's such a big oversight, like, most consoles and desktop PCs have the HDMI port on the back, where it can't be seen unless the user has specifically set it up sideways to make it visible. If it wasn't for that and the very high price, I could almost justify it for a dual screen emulation device or something, but yikes, I couldn't use it with my PC or any of my consoles even if I was still sitting in front of all my monitors...
Presumably so they could also target a niche market of people that already travel with gaming laptops but also play games that they think this would be a better form factor for.
I wouldn't be surprised if the case and controllers weren't even made by them and were just 3rd party switch accessories they got cheap and threw in the box.
Someone just ran into your home and stole your monitor, you're waiting for a new one to arrive in the mail, time to bust out this bad boy for a few days am I right
Other than a very limited use case for such device, I find it bizarre to think that you have to have it in line of sight, but also requires HDMI which is basically always at the back of your device. If it's a PC or a console, it'll be probably facing the wall or something and would require a HDMI extension cable to then hang it somewhere on the wall so it can "see" further. Both of my consoles are in a cabinet, so there's no clear line of sight to the back of them from any angle, so goes for my PC, it's where all the cables are, I hide them.
In Spider Man section I can count 2 frames of latency at 30 fps youtube video - it is about 66 ms video latency. Really this device fails in it's only selling feature.
what's wrong with an extension cable? it pretty nice to not have a dongle with a "forced" cable on it, then it's up to you to use it properly But that indeed need a lot of planning, as for console you may also want to use a HDMI splitter if you does not plan to use it only through this. To me the usecase is clear tho: A family's room with a TV and a console/pc, but something you want to play while someone else want to watch the TV so you take the second screen. Not something too unusual as even Nintendo invest into this at some point
@@Damian-rp2iv Sure, but if you are in the room with other people, it's likely they would move around, which means you lose the connection, because it's so sensitive. Again, it's cool and all, but HTC Vive had a wireless adapter which also uses 60GHz signal to transmit the gameplay wirelessly from your PC and I remember it being less jank.
@@ignaspincevicius3134 If someone goes in front of the TV you're using you would also "lose the connection" :D But yeah, totally agree on the weakness of this tech If it was really lag free it could be super interesting, but I've indeed had latency as low using cloud gaming so... In another hand, I still like the "software free" setup, where you really just have to plug a "wireless" hdmi device that this kind of tech offer, and the switch form factor for the screen is interesting So not perfect, but some usage and still cool that it exist :)
@@ThaexakaMavroPlus there's ps4/5 and xbox remote play apps you can run on it too. The only console you can't remote play is switch but you can either emulate that or just use a switch. Which is already portable.
It's too bad they didn't include both 5ghz and 60ghz then you could have exceptional streaming in line of sight and decent otherwise. As it is it's super limited and not quite cheap enough, and a cheap steamdeck seems like a much better idea. If this got down to $100 I could see it as a perfect use in a living room with one per console for multiple uses as a basic tv replacement but as is it costs too much for what you get. It also really needs to come with clips to let you use a xbox controller/ps5 controller with it natively.
I recently strongly considered a Peakdo (because my use case is pretty much exactly what Riley describes). I'm glad I didn't. Instead, I got a crappy old laptop, and set up Moonlight on it (and Sunshine on my gaming desktop), and the performance is absolutely mind-blowing. It requires a bit more setup compared to mmWave, but it also gives me more options--I can go wired over Ethernet, for example, if I want top performance without worrying about my WiFi signal.
Exactly!! Moonlight is awesome and it makes so much more sense. I used it a lot alongside my Nvidia laptop using Nvidia Gamestream (RIP) and I’m a big fan of it! You can play games in a different room, or with IPv6, even in a different house without any problems. Not just that, you can also use the service to use the client device as a screen share over the network with touchscreen support. This keeps all of the fan noise and the heat away from you. The mmWave thing seems so pointless if a line of sight is mandatory.
I have been using this general "type" of in-home streaming tech for ages, but the millimeter waves tuff is just not affordable... yet. Now IF this was around the $99-199 mark you MIGHT see an uptick in sales. Primarily because using your PC like a WiiU is a really NICE option. I wonder if you could have this hooked up to a KVM along with a logitch wireless keyboard and use hotkeys to cycle through different devices? Just have 3 + devices hooked up and just cycle through them as long as the dongle and the "host" machine support the controller interface... you are golden.
This is very petty. The point they're making with "no built in CPU" is that the games are not processed on the handheld, and it's very clear to everyone.
@@ougonce It’s not petty, their marketing is just blatantly inaccurate. In the tech space, details and accuracy matters because every little component plays a role in the overall experience of using the product.
@@greylawson6352 Except it isn't, because marketing isn't shoving a spec sheet in front of potential buyers. It's the same reason why you don't see HDDs being advertised in Tebibytes. Being truthful about specs is definitely important, and not doing so could even be illegal (which, in my opinion, HDD size advertisement should fall into). But claiming a device doesn't have a CPU when it ☝🤓 ackshually has one for decoding the video signal is not misleading. It's like saying Apple is misleading their customers by not factoring in the hidden emergency battery in their advertised battery life specs. It makes no sense.
Reminds me of the Wii U, cool to use since you can play the console when someone else is using the TV, but you couldn’t go anywhere else with it. That’s what I ended up falling in love with on the switch and steam deck. The ability to go anywhere I want and have a good gaming experience is too valuable to me.
this basically turns anything with a HDMI port into a Wii U. I really wish it had a bit more conventional (maybe wifi direct?) backup because the line of sight requirement seems like it will get in the way quite a bit.
Literal e-waste out the door. The line of sight requirement defeats the purpose of streaming the game to a handheld. What about tower pcs where the hdmi output is going to be on the backside?
I've been doing this with my Vita and Switch for a while now. Pretty much all of those little emulator consoles on the market running Linux with built in WiFi can run Moonlight also. Thank you Nvidia for the Shield and thanks to all the folks who worked on Moonlight and Sunlight.
Just bought a Shield. Haven't even gotten into any of the finer points of it's use but it already rules. Been playing free demos on GeForce Now and it's been great. Haven't been a vidya gaymer in 20 years and I'm loving it!
I just use my phone( with a controller clip) or tablet with controller or keyboard and mouse. Works flawlessly, just a few milliseconds of latancy but I can manage if it enables me to play on the other side of the country with just a few milliseconds of lag
As someone who works with programming streaming software it's honestly more convenient to use GPU Encoding/Decoding over network. Latency is as low as 10ms these days for HEVC.
I'm using those clear joycons too on my switch it's from IINE bought it for $40. It's made specifically for nintendo switch. I'm surprised that they're selling it at that price.
I found a use case that I might consider. What if you a type of person that can't buy a TV or monitor because you travel and/or renting a small space but can't go without a console or PC? This is the solution. However at this price, micro-oled glasses is a strong contender. A more expensive option are portable laser projectors at $700-$800
A kinda weird setup I used some years ago, was to carry a desktop PC in a backpack (I had made a backpack PC hybrid at the time), and to plug it into the wall, it would stream to my (considerably less powerful) laptop or phone over a 5GHz wifi dongle over at a desk or couch. Sketchy AF but it did work, a somewhat portable desktop PC for when you need the horsepower but don't have a gaming laptop or the space to setup a monitor, keyboard, etc.
I think those controllers are an imitation (if not them honestly) of the Nyxi/Binbok joycons. That’s why they have a Nintendo Switch button layout and that’s also why the rails are compatible with joycons, because they are joycons, kinda.
lets take the switch (a portable handheld console) and stream games to a portable handheld device that we cant use if we're more than 10ft away. Revolutionary technology. These guys are changing the game and I'm here for it
If your technical enough, you can use a USB over Ethernet adapter and an HDMI over Ethernet adapter to pug the dongle in at a hogh point of a room to have better coverage. These are solutions normally used in a Corporate Board Room solution.
It would be much cheaper and easier to just use a long USB and HDMI cable - if you exceed the range for standard passive cables you can get fibre optic or active extension cables that will happily transmit all the bandwidth this will ever need for relatively low cost and with probably slightly less latency. HDBaseT is really only meant for situations where you've already got Cat5e or Cat6 cable runs and is only really meant to save you from having to bury another cable in your wall.
I think the problem was the mm wave is kinda useless due to the line of sight. Swap that out for 6e which is already typically low enough latency that you can do VR streaming and I think it might actually have an audience. Also that price is absolutely insane for something just streaming with those kinds of specs, seriously at that price I would expect a 1080p amoled screen.
It looked like it had massive latency from controller input to screen update 😲??! 8:10 shows the laptop updating way quicker than the handheld. Riley did a 180 on it being bad latency to fine..I'm confused!
Agreed! That latency is unacceptable for any game that requires reactionary input. Slow or turn-based games, sure. But in esport games and games like Red Dead you would be at a disadvantage; one that I consider to be significant based on how easily I noticed the latency in the video.
@@Ditto_Plush Yup I agree also. A total lag fest! Riley called it right as feeling off at the start. When he called Jake over however, Jake says it's fine looking a bit bemused on what the problem is, even when the two screens are clearly out of sync. Then the review changes to it being fine and dandy. Very odd.
I'm 99% certain those joycons on the Peakdo are usable on the switch. Those look exactly like generic replacement joycons from Nyxi or Binbok or whatever generic brand they're stamped with. They're more comfortable than the stock joycons so that's a plus.
I really don’t get the point of this. They might as well have just had it had an hdmi input or something. If you have to be line of sight, even with a cable to better place the dongle, you still have to be so close to the source device that you might as well just use a controller on the source device.
hopefully, something like higher res or higher refresh, over 5ghz wireless chipset. surely with DSC and CVT-RB2 they can make it work? but then it is still incredibly niche, for one i don't want a portable steam deck, i want to plug decoder size to my laptop to be displayed and given latency involved decoding and displaying an image, might as well go for something like NV geforce gamestream or parsec
Alas, 60Ghz is limited to line of sight.(humidity in the air absorbing the signal is even a factor at this frequency) 5Ghz wifi is only "so good" and cellphones got most of the remaining space. I don't see much room for improvement.
Not seeing much of the point, I already have a tablet by my bedside, I can run a cable from my PC to my tablet and connect the xbox controller directly to my PC (using bluetooth or an RC adapter). There's some really long good, thin, quality USB cables out there, like the one found in the oculus which I use.
What people fail to realise is that this could also work as a wireless HDMI and get rid of clunky hdmi cables so you can mount your monitor/tv on the wall seamlessly and have no ugly looking cords running across your devices
Yeah, I don't know who this is for since you need line of sight. Maybe it's good for someone who wants to lie down instead of craning a head towards a TV in bed or something. Pretty niche though. I'll stick to streaming to my living room TV from my bedroom PC or steamdeck through network methods.
I could a use case if you're going somewhere for an extended period and would like to game in your off time, so you'd like to bring your computer with minimal peripherals as where you're staying you cannot set up a battle station. Think holidays/vacation at a relative's house, you've got a bad and that's about it, set your tower on the floor and game away
I actually bought this on the super early bird kickstarter and regret buying it. I figured it would be the cheapest alternative to getting good visual fidelity. However, even though i can enjoy my games at my preferred settings just fine, everything is just sub-par. My setup is my wife and i live in a one bedroom apartment with the porch area enclosed. That's where my desk is. I can plug this thing into my laptop angled towards the couch so i can play games while being next to her on the couch while watching tv. It works, but is not ideal. The controllers are the worst part! The ergonomics are horrible, and that's with me having small hands, and i constantly have to re-pair them to the Bluetooth receiver every time i turn them on. I wouldn't advise anyone to get this thing. It would be better to get something else like a switch or steam deck... or literally anything else.
After reading through the comments on their kickstarter and indiegogo the fact that they could only sell 400 units, coupled with the fact that they are selling the units at the same price early backers paid, I'd venture to say that they are trying to dump the remaining units from what was probably their initial production run. Doesn't bode well for the longevity of the device. Certified E waste...
I was curious, then i was confused, then more confused, then surprised Nintendo hasn't sued them, then confused again for one of the strangest devices ive ever seen
This is a great idea. The only tweak i would make is include some type of processor inside the machine, along with some type of storage module so that i could play my games natively. Other than that small tweak, it's a solid product.
Doesn't this thing needing line of sight to the transmitter kind of....defeat the whole point of streaming? I mean if I need to _see_ my PC, it can't be too far away to just actually use my PC. And with that pricetag I mean...just put another 50$ ontop and buy a Steam Deck, if you're just going to do streaming you don't even need to change the SSD or anything. Sure it doesn't have a fancy (janky) "low latency" dongle contraption but I've personally had a very solid experience streaming games via Steam Link even with just 5GHz Wi-Fi. Clear plastic is a vibe tho, gotta give them that.
So, you could get a second hand ROG Phone and use the WiGig to stream 5Gbps GeForce Now. You do need a 10Gbit internet service, and one of the few 10Gbit 802.11ad routers. I had the TP-Link AD7200 with an ROG Phone 2 (20m2 apartment), and that router only had 1Gig ports
Me: If this works relatively consistently and doesn't drop all the time I could see a real use for it as a married guy. Not spending the hours in my office where I just worked for 8 hours to now game a bit, could do the same but on the couch, still gaming but present while she does whatever. Riley: But you need line of sight Me: I... what?
This is basically like the Wii U, how it had a handheld that you can play the game on instead of the TV, but could only be used in the same room as the main console
8:11 The latency on the device itself seems to be about 1 frame behind in the video at least (there are some very distinct changes in the camera movement that makes counting frames easy), which on a 30 fps video means at worst like ~33ms latency. That's better than what many consoles add vs. running that same game on PC.
It's a bit weird for them to use a two-port dongle just for hyper-accelerating _one_ part of game streaming and then proceed to pick basically the slowest protocol you can choose for the controller. They *already* hamjacked the touchscreen input through the dongle, so they knew they didn't have to use the dongle _just_ for the output stream. I guess you can maybe sorta kinda perhaps justify the 11" one for switch specifically if you want bigger handheld screen, but that's wayyyy too much money either way.
This is one of those products that are a solution in search of a problem. Especially at $350, it's only $50 cheaper than a Steam Deck that can stream over 5Ghz with very little added latency AND play games locally with no latency.
I can stream from my PC (And PS5) with my AYN Odin Lite... it has WiFi 6 and works great anywhere in my house...But I can also play games natively.. And its about $150 less than the PeakDo... What purpose does this PeakDo serve?
Also made a review about this thing and where it looks great I was really annoyed by the way it works with wireless communication. Don't start me about the controllers I need to re-connect a million times to my console 😅 Fun idea the end result was not that great 🙄
Well then you honestly aren't too good at thinking... If you have a powerful gaming PC but want to play games comfortably laying in bed or on the couch? Or maybe, as mentioned in the video, be able to do different things while only having one tv?
No lie the concept is damn cool and there is no technical reason why they could not use the mm wave for the controls as well. I suspect though the reason they went this route is this allows for 3rd party controllers and compat with the switch where as using mm wave on the controllers would increase cost for 2x more transceivers or require them to be non removable It is an option for them to consider in the future i suspect they likely are already looking at that
Yeah, I was kinda disappointed by that. There doesn't seem to be much advantage for this device versus getting their generic transmitter, a portable screen, and your own Bluetooth controller. Since you'd need to bring your own computer along too, it's not like you really need the portability for transit so the versatility/extra screen space would seem to win out in situations like open concept floor plans and studios where you want to game from bed/couches that are further away from a desk PC.
The latency from fast encoders like Sunshine is less than a single frame with NvFBC which can be enabled on consumer GPUs with a Linux driver patch (then you use Steam with Proton). You now have to deliver this stream to your client with minimal ping and almost zero jitter. The only setup that worked for me was a gigabit Ethernet connection. I want to game with a real monitor, keyboard and mouse, so having an Ethernet cable isn't that bad. Wi-Fi has terrible jitter and will drop frames. This also applies to Nvidia GameStream.
It's an exceptionally niche product, I don't see it selling well, but given the high price and low Chinesium manufacturing costs it may yet be profitable.
Just snagged one of these. Despite the limitations, this is the kind of device I've been looking for for years. I loved remoteplay via the psvita on ps4 and my main use case was as a wii u gamepad type device. I really want to be able to use this with my ps5 for a handheld ps5 experience as remoteplay with the ps5 drops random frames even with my kickass internet connection. The only caveat is the joycon connect as a ps4 controller to the ps5 so only ps4 versions are playable unless you use an official controller. Also I think there may be issues with the touchpad being mapped. But we'll see. If this thing provides a smooth experience without dropping frames, I'm happy. If it drops random frames like all other streaming solutions I've used, I'm immediately returning it.
Except remote play for PlayStation is trash and it relies on the same tech so I'm not super hopeful. I've never managed to get remoteplay to work without framedrops even with an amazing local connection. The closest I got to a usable experience for me was chiaki, but that's third party. Again I'd love for Sony to prove me wrong but we'll see.
At last! I can bring the experience of _watching 2003 satellite TV, when it's raining_ - to my _short-range wireless gaming_ experience! Thanks, guys! 😏
I foresee some problem with having the power button that close to other buttons, especially when located right beside the enter/menu button! The need for line of sight, makes it pretty much useless (or at least limited to a degree that makes it useless outside those few outliers).
I guess the dongle transmitter could go on a hdmi cord that reaches where ever you want it to right? Like a lighthouse or the old external ir recievers for tv/vcr/dvd setups. Or a kinect.
Sure, but you still need to be constantly aiming the handheld's antenna wherever the dongle is. Since it's a mm wave connection it can be broken by so much as the thickness of a leaf.
Its an odd product, but 1 use case I could envision would be a child/teen who has a console, but the parents don't want a TV in their room. From what I gather, you could plug in a console in your room, hook it up to this dongle, and then use it without ever having another screen hooked up to the console or even in the room. Still, a bit of a weird product.
If you have to have LoS why not just use a wireless controller? Most HDMI ports are on the back of the console. I can't wrap my head around it either but it was crowdfunded so someone thought it was a decent idea.
I am someone who mods a lot of games on my desktop PC. I've wanted to get the portable PCs like Steamdeck or GPD's, but then I'd have to transfer all of my mods to the thing, and odds are it would run way worse. This would be a way for me to play the exact stuff that is on my PC portably with zero wi-fi issues (since there are many times when I'm without wifi). But damn dude, $350 is WAY too much. I'd pay $100 at the most.
This would be cool to have as like a secondary display while using a controller, kind of like a Wii U. Maybe having discord or something in the middle or Spotify while you play games on your main screen But if you’re buying this to play games handheld, just get a Steam deck
I have a steam deck and it manages zero latency as far as I can determine, would be nice to test this, I also streamed Control to my steam deck via 4g/FTTN and i was 36km away and i didnt notice much latency at all as well.
Since you mention FTTN I assume you're based in Australia; my latency back to my home system from a 4G device is about 50ms on a really good day, which isn't great but is definitely manageable for single player games since that's well within the sort of latencies considered acceptable for casual online multiplayer stuff (streaming an online multiplayer game is a different story because the total round trip latency would be additive).
Purpose of streaming handheld: you don’t have to stay in front of your source.
PeakDo: hold my beer. 😂
Yup.. what a problem that is 😅
Yeah at this point I would rather just get very long hdmi cable 😅
why cant you just have a large tv big enough to see from bed and controller why would anyone need a handheld tiny screen and less freedom u have to hold it up
Not only this, but you need a seperate USB hub JUST for the damn thing. I mean what the hell? two separate chargers for each "fauxcon", another for the display part, another USB to power the wireless HDMI dongle, and yet another for the bluetooth adapter (assuming the computer doesn't have built-in bluetooth)?
How can we release something even more lame than the Playstation Portal?
Thank god! I always dreamed of playing my nintendo switch as a portable device!
You mean as a 'NON' Portable device .. right?
I think jturk9855 was being sarcastic
this isnt even portable.
Petition to make a symbol for sarcasm in text.
@@chompsxbite3050 /s
for the love of god what is the point if I'm going to be within line of sight of the actual device anyway??? this is the most smooth brain device I've seen all year
Perfect passive parential controls for helicopter parents IMO 😏👌
I honestly think there is niche for this product i don't this I will get it but I can see a small market for it
I could maybe see me using this in my bed next to my desk where my laptop is. But really getting a TV for that price might be a better option.
You can use it with an extension cord and have it function in the whole room, like an antenna.
I have a 1000$ handheld that 70% of the time i use it laying in my room. this solution would me lighter, have more battery time and would allow me to have way better graphics and performance for when Im using it like that. And it has a plus side of being compatible with any hdmi console.
The tecnology is sound but I dont know if this product can do it, but its also possible to have multiple "antennas" transmiting the signal through the house so that you can use it in any room.
It's such a big oversight, like, most consoles and desktop PCs have the HDMI port on the back, where it can't be seen unless the user has specifically set it up sideways to make it visible. If it wasn't for that and the very high price, I could almost justify it for a dual screen emulation device or something, but yikes, I couldn't use it with my PC or any of my consoles even if I was still sitting in front of all my monitors...
I’m so confused at why they included a travel case
Thank God I wasn't the only one
The only reason I can think of is to keep track of all the cables and stuff when you get sick of the thing after a few hours.
Presumably so they could also target a niche market of people that already travel with gaming laptops but also play games that they think this would be a better form factor for.
I wouldn't be surprised if the case and controllers weren't even made by them and were just 3rd party switch accessories they got cheap and threw in the box.
The case is for your ROG ASUS OR STEAM DECK
Wait you need line of sight with the computer?
Why don't you just plug a controller in at that point.
Maybe you want to play with your back to it, for some reason.
@@bandito241Well this can't do that, your back would cover the line of sight 😂
@@marekmiks5177 hdmi extension cable
. Also a usb extension cable
@@exdeathex3949 Honestly, at that point you could just get a little portable monitor and a controller 😂
Finally someone has made a device that lets me play on my PC when I'm sitting in front of my PC. I've been waiting years for something like this.
Even with Riley's charm as a host, you can't make this look like more than e-waste
The idea behind this seemed to be "how much can we borrow from Nintendo while also being really inconvenient and complicated?"
Borrow is such a weird way to spell the word steal.
@@karehaqt well I don't know for sure that they couldn't legally take what they did
Or "how much can we strip out of a Steam Deck while keeping the same price ?"
I mean it’s really how I played the Wii U. It basically turns all devices into a Wii U
There's no way this isn't infringing on a patent with those joycon rails lol.
I can't imagine the use case I wouldn't just use my PC with a regular controller if I was right in front of my PC..
Someone just ran into your home and stole your monitor, you're waiting for a new one to arrive in the mail, time to bust out this bad boy for a few days am I right
@@pismodude2 That's why we have next day delivery
im a student and my pc is my room; it would be nice to have my pc performace from my bed scince its not far away
@@gjorgdy I live 30 mins from an Amazon distro - bet I could find some same day delivery monitors LOL
@@Haven1500 did you watch the video kid?
Other than a very limited use case for such device, I find it bizarre to think that you have to have it in line of sight, but also requires HDMI which is basically always at the back of your device. If it's a PC or a console, it'll be probably facing the wall or something and would require a HDMI extension cable to then hang it somewhere on the wall so it can "see" further. Both of my consoles are in a cabinet, so there's no clear line of sight to the back of them from any angle, so goes for my PC, it's where all the cables are, I hide them.
In Spider Man section I can count 2 frames of latency at 30 fps youtube video - it is about 66 ms video latency. Really this device fails in it's only selling feature.
what's wrong with an extension cable? it pretty nice to not have a dongle with a "forced" cable on it, then it's up to you to use it properly
But that indeed need a lot of planning, as for console you may also want to use a HDMI splitter if you does not plan to use it only through this.
To me the usecase is clear tho: A family's room with a TV and a console/pc, but something you want to play while someone else want to watch the TV so you take the second screen. Not something too unusual as even Nintendo invest into this at some point
@@Damian-rp2iv Sure, but if you are in the room with other people, it's likely they would move around, which means you lose the connection, because it's so sensitive. Again, it's cool and all, but HTC Vive had a wireless adapter which also uses 60GHz signal to transmit the gameplay wirelessly from your PC and I remember it being less jank.
@@ignaspincevicius3134 If someone goes in front of the TV you're using you would also "lose the connection" :D
But yeah, totally agree on the weakness of this tech
If it was really lag free it could be super interesting, but I've indeed had latency as low using cloud gaming so...
In another hand, I still like the "software free" setup, where you really just have to plug a "wireless" hdmi device that this kind of tech offer, and the switch form factor for the screen is interesting
So not perfect, but some usage and still cool that it exist :)
@@Damian-rp2ivsometimes things that are "cool that it exist" flop so hard that no other company will dare try it
"There was a time when game streaming was looked down upon" proceeds to introduce the worst possible use case for game streaming I've ever seen
I love my 256Gb Steam Deck, no thoughts on this product. "If you've got nothing nice to say..." and all that.
Yup and you can also stream your pc to the steam deck or the steam deck to your pc if you really want to lol .
@@ThaexakaMavroPlus there's ps4/5 and xbox remote play apps you can run on it too. The only console you can't remote play is switch but you can either emulate that or just use a switch. Which is already portable.
If you pause at 8:52 and go frame by frame with the < and > keys you can see about a 2 frame latency difference between the laptop and the handheld.
It's too bad they didn't include both 5ghz and 60ghz then you could have exceptional streaming in line of sight and decent otherwise. As it is it's super limited and not quite cheap enough, and a cheap steamdeck seems like a much better idea. If this got down to $100 I could see it as a perfect use in a living room with one per console for multiple uses as a basic tv replacement but as is it costs too much for what you get.
It also really needs to come with clips to let you use a xbox controller/ps5 controller with it natively.
I recently strongly considered a Peakdo (because my use case is pretty much exactly what Riley describes).
I'm glad I didn't. Instead, I got a crappy old laptop, and set up Moonlight on it (and Sunshine on my gaming desktop), and the performance is absolutely mind-blowing.
It requires a bit more setup compared to mmWave, but it also gives me more options--I can go wired over Ethernet, for example, if I want top performance without worrying about my WiFi signal.
Exactly!! Moonlight is awesome and it makes so much more sense. I used it a lot alongside my Nvidia laptop using Nvidia Gamestream (RIP) and I’m a big fan of it! You can play games in a different room, or with IPv6, even in a different house without any problems. Not just that, you can also use the service to use the client device as a screen share over the network with touchscreen support. This keeps all of the fan noise and the heat away from you.
The mmWave thing seems so pointless if a line of sight is mandatory.
This feels more like a proof-of-concept than anything else. PeakDo were so busy with whether they could, they never stopped to think if they should.
This is indeed one of the device of all time
I have been using this general "type" of in-home streaming tech for ages, but the millimeter waves tuff is just not affordable... yet. Now IF this was around the $99-199 mark you MIGHT see an uptick in sales. Primarily because using your PC like a WiiU is a really NICE option. I wonder if you could have this hooked up to a KVM along with a logitch wireless keyboard and use hotkeys to cycle through different devices? Just have 3 + devices hooked up and just cycle through them as long as the dongle and the "host" machine support the controller interface... you are golden.
I love that their marketing says “No built in CPU” as if you could just run a whole OS and stream games with just a screen attached to an empty box 😂
Yeah and the other marketing bs
This is very petty. The point they're making with "no built in CPU" is that the games are not processed on the handheld, and it's very clear to everyone.
@@ougonce It’s not petty, their marketing is just blatantly inaccurate. In the tech space, details and accuracy matters because every little component plays a role in the overall experience of using the product.
@@greylawson6352 Except it isn't, because marketing isn't shoving a spec sheet in front of potential buyers. It's the same reason why you don't see HDDs being advertised in Tebibytes.
Being truthful about specs is definitely important, and not doing so could even be illegal (which, in my opinion, HDD size advertisement should fall into). But claiming a device doesn't have a CPU when it ☝🤓 ackshually has one for decoding the video signal is not misleading. It's like saying Apple is misleading their customers by not factoring in the hidden emergency battery in their advertised battery life specs. It makes no sense.
Reminds me of the Wii U, cool to use since you can play the console when someone else is using the TV, but you couldn’t go anywhere else with it. That’s what I ended up falling in love with on the switch and steam deck. The ability to go anywhere I want and have a good gaming experience is too valuable to me.
The wij u is better
@@imperialdra-mon5907 I love my Wii U
this basically turns anything with a HDMI port into a Wii U. I really wish it had a bit more conventional (maybe wifi direct?) backup because the line of sight requirement seems like it will get in the way quite a bit.
That and the transmitter being a dongle, so on a console you'd need the rear facing you for it to work at all, kinda silly.
@@alexatkin most consoles have a usb port on the front ....
Literal e-waste out the door. The line of sight requirement defeats the purpose of streaming the game to a handheld. What about tower pcs where the hdmi output is going to be on the backside?
Also on the back for consoles plus a pain in the ass having to get back there to turn it on or off.
I like how the controller on it is literally just a switch third-party joycon in fact I think that might be specifically a BinBok Joycon
I've been doing this with my Vita and Switch for a while now. Pretty much all of those little emulator consoles on the market running Linux with built in WiFi can run Moonlight also. Thank you Nvidia for the Shield and thanks to all the folks who worked on Moonlight and Sunlight.
Just bought a Shield. Haven't even gotten into any of the finer points of it's use but it already rules. Been playing free demos on GeForce Now and it's been great. Haven't been a vidya gaymer in 20 years and I'm loving it!
I just use my phone( with a controller clip) or tablet with controller or keyboard and mouse. Works flawlessly, just a few milliseconds of latancy but I can manage if it enables me to play on the other side of the country with just a few milliseconds of lag
As someone who works with programming streaming software it's honestly more convenient to use GPU Encoding/Decoding over network. Latency is as low as 10ms these days for HEVC.
Amazing! Now I can sit directly in front of my computer and stream games from it without having to actually look at it for only $350!
I'm using those clear joycons too on my switch it's from IINE bought it for $40. It's made specifically for nintendo switch. I'm surprised that they're selling it at that price.
I found a use case that I might consider. What if you a type of person that can't buy a TV or monitor because you travel and/or renting a small space but can't go without a console or PC? This is the solution. However at this price, micro-oled glasses is a strong contender. A more expensive option are portable laser projectors at $700-$800
They make travel monitors that are basically a dump iPad with audio video input
A kinda weird setup I used some years ago, was to carry a desktop PC in a backpack (I had made a backpack PC hybrid at the time), and to plug it into the wall, it would stream to my (considerably less powerful) laptop or phone over a 5GHz wifi dongle over at a desk or couch.
Sketchy AF but it did work, a somewhat portable desktop PC for when you need the horsepower but don't have a gaming laptop or the space to setup a monitor, keyboard, etc.
I think those controllers are an imitation (if not them honestly) of the Nyxi/Binbok joycons. That’s why they have a Nintendo Switch button layout and that’s also why the rails are compatible with joycons, because they are joycons, kinda.
I expected it to be 150 max. That 350 price is outrageous.
This is such a niche product. I really like the clear controllers! MORE CLEAR ELECTRONICS lol
More like its e-waste there is no real situation to use it
3rd party clear joycons are a dime a dozen on online retailers. If you want them they can be had for far less than this thing is worth.
lets take the switch (a portable handheld console) and stream games to a portable handheld device that we cant use if we're more than 10ft away. Revolutionary technology. These guys are changing the game and I'm here for it
If your technical enough, you can use a USB over Ethernet adapter and an HDMI over Ethernet adapter to pug the dongle in at a hogh point of a room to have better coverage. These are solutions normally used in a Corporate Board Room solution.
Last time I checked (years ago), those HDMI over ethernet adapters were quite expensive. Even if you only need HDMI 1.4.
programs like parsec and moonlight do a decent job over 5ghz wifi
It would be much cheaper and easier to just use a long USB and HDMI cable - if you exceed the range for standard passive cables you can get fibre optic or active extension cables that will happily transmit all the bandwidth this will ever need for relatively low cost and with probably slightly less latency. HDBaseT is really only meant for situations where you've already got Cat5e or Cat6 cable runs and is only really meant to save you from having to bury another cable in your wall.
@@gamefun2525yes exactly, means for 1080p 60hz 5ghz wifi is more than enough if source is connected wired
I think the problem was the mm wave is kinda useless due to the line of sight. Swap that out for 6e which is already typically low enough latency that you can do VR streaming and I think it might actually have an audience. Also that price is absolutely insane for something just streaming with those kinds of specs, seriously at that price I would expect a 1080p amoled screen.
If they added an attachment to create a larger antenna I would absolutely buy that, it's kind of what I'm looking for.
It looked like it had massive latency from controller input to screen update 😲??! 8:10 shows the laptop updating way quicker than the handheld. Riley did a 180 on it being bad latency to fine..I'm confused!
Agreed! That latency is unacceptable for any game that requires reactionary input. Slow or turn-based games, sure. But in esport games and games like Red Dead you would be at a disadvantage; one that I consider to be significant based on how easily I noticed the latency in the video.
@@Ditto_Plush Yup I agree also. A total lag fest! Riley called it right as feeling off at the start. When he called Jake over however, Jake says it's fine looking a bit bemused on what the problem is, even when the two screens are clearly out of sync. Then the review changes to it being fine and dandy. Very odd.
I'm 99% certain those joycons on the Peakdo are usable on the switch.
Those look exactly like generic replacement joycons from Nyxi or Binbok or whatever generic brand they're stamped with.
They're more comfortable than the stock joycons so that's a plus.
I really don’t get the point of this. They might as well have just had it had an hdmi input or something.
If you have to be line of sight, even with a cable to better place the dongle, you still have to be so close to the source device that you might as well just use a controller on the source device.
i mean it did confirmed one of the claim being that it has almost no latency
but it also fails because it loses the purpose of being a handheld
This feels like a solid stepping-stone to something better in the (hopefully) near future.
If the transmitting didn’t have to be line of sight, I would love to be able to have a monitor in the next room connected to my gaming pc.
hopefully, something like higher res or higher refresh, over 5ghz wireless chipset.
surely with DSC and CVT-RB2 they can make it work?
but then it is still incredibly niche, for one i don't want a portable steam deck, i want to plug decoder size to my laptop to be displayed and given latency involved decoding and displaying an image, might as well go for something like NV geforce gamestream or parsec
@@eggcopter yep, I’ve been using moonlight streaming at a bitrate of 120 mbps and it’s pretty close to perfect save for a bit of latency.
Alas, 60Ghz is limited to line of sight.(humidity in the air absorbing the signal is even a factor at this frequency) 5Ghz wifi is only "so good" and cellphones got most of the remaining space. I don't see much room for improvement.
@@EntonationStudios a cable through the wall with a dongle on the other side isn't so bad though. I do that currently with a server in the next room.
Riley's way of hosting is really soothing and funny!
Not seeing much of the point, I already have a tablet by my bedside, I can run a cable from my PC to my tablet and connect the xbox controller directly to my PC (using bluetooth or an RC adapter). There's some really long good, thin, quality USB cables out there, like the one found in the oculus which I use.
And because it's cable, there's also no latency.
What people fail to realise is that this could also work as a wireless HDMI and get rid of clunky hdmi cables so you can mount your monitor/tv on the wall seamlessly and have no ugly looking cords running across your devices
U still have to run pieer to the thingso how does it matter lmao
Yeah, I don't know who this is for since you need line of sight. Maybe it's good for someone who wants to lie down instead of craning a head towards a TV in bed or something. Pretty niche though.
I'll stick to streaming to my living room TV from my bedroom PC or steamdeck through network methods.
I could a use case if you're going somewhere for an extended period and would like to game in your off time, so you'd like to bring your computer with minimal peripherals as where you're staying you cannot set up a battle station.
Think holidays/vacation at a relative's house, you've got a bad and that's about it, set your tower on the floor and game away
10:05 Homie, what's the point of streaming switch? It's already portable.
So as long as you sit right next to what ever you are streaming from it work's great!!!
If only you guys had a channel specifically about gaming......
I actually bought this on the super early bird kickstarter and regret buying it. I figured it would be the cheapest alternative to getting good visual fidelity. However, even though i can enjoy my games at my preferred settings just fine, everything is just sub-par. My setup is my wife and i live in a one bedroom apartment with the porch area enclosed. That's where my desk is. I can plug this thing into my laptop angled towards the couch so i can play games while being next to her on the couch while watching tv. It works, but is not ideal. The controllers are the worst part! The ergonomics are horrible, and that's with me having small hands, and i constantly have to re-pair them to the Bluetooth receiver every time i turn them on. I wouldn't advise anyone to get this thing. It would be better to get something else like a switch or steam deck... or literally anything else.
I'm gonna get this to stream games from my steam deck. Handheld inception.
After reading through the comments on their kickstarter and indiegogo the fact that they could only sell 400 units, coupled with the fact that they are selling the units at the same price early backers paid, I'd venture to say that they are trying to dump the remaining units from what was probably their initial production run. Doesn't bode well for the longevity of the device. Certified E waste...
I wonder how many of the 400 buyers knew what it really was when they bought it.
I was curious, then i was confused, then more confused, then surprised Nintendo hasn't sued them, then confused again for one of the strangest devices ive ever seen
This is a great idea. The only tweak i would make is include some type of processor inside the machine, along with some type of storage module so that i could play my games natively. Other than that small tweak, it's a solid product.
2:15 I'm dying laughing at Riley's reflection in the screen
Doesn't this thing needing line of sight to the transmitter kind of....defeat the whole point of streaming?
I mean if I need to _see_ my PC, it can't be too far away to just actually use my PC.
And with that pricetag I mean...just put another 50$ ontop and buy a Steam Deck, if you're just going to do streaming you don't even need to change the SSD or anything.
Sure it doesn't have a fancy (janky) "low latency" dongle contraption but I've personally had a very solid experience streaming games via Steam Link even with just 5GHz Wi-Fi.
Clear plastic is a vibe tho, gotta give them that.
Wow! Now I can play my PC games while being no more than 10 feet away from my PC 🤯🤯🤯
Looks like the intent is when you don't have space for big TV, so you connect to your console remotely
So, you could get a second hand ROG Phone and use the WiGig to stream 5Gbps GeForce Now. You do need a 10Gbit internet service, and one of the few 10Gbit 802.11ad routers. I had the TP-Link AD7200 with an ROG Phone 2 (20m2 apartment), and that router only had 1Gig ports
Me: If this works relatively consistently and doesn't drop all the time I could see a real use for it as a married guy. Not spending the hours in my office where I just worked for 8 hours to now game a bit, could do the same but on the couch, still gaming but present while she does whatever.
Riley: But you need line of sight
Me: I... what?
4:44 pretty sure that doohicky in the case is to punish the unit when the delay on this thing causes you to lose to a boss.
This is basically like the Wii U, how it had a handheld that you can play the game on instead of the TV, but could only be used in the same room as the main console
8:11 The latency on the device itself seems to be about 1 frame behind in the video at least (there are some very distinct changes in the camera movement that makes counting frames easy), which on a 30 fps video means at worst like ~33ms latency. That's better than what many consoles add vs. running that same game on PC.
It's a bit weird for them to use a two-port dongle just for hyper-accelerating _one_ part of game streaming and then proceed to pick basically the slowest protocol you can choose for the controller. They *already* hamjacked the touchscreen input through the dongle, so they knew they didn't have to use the dongle _just_ for the output stream.
I guess you can maybe sorta kinda perhaps justify the 11" one for switch specifically if you want bigger handheld screen, but that's wayyyy too much money either way.
"And you laughed at our G-Cloud!? WHO'S LAUGHING NOW?!" - Logitech
Isn't that just a WiiU with extra steps?
The WiiU is a masterpiece compared to this crap.
Thank you for informing us on this product Student 1 from "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" episode "Friendship University".
kind of interesting if you use an active hdmi cable and mount the transmitter on the ceiling or up high somewhere
This is one of those products that are a solution in search of a problem. Especially at $350, it's only $50 cheaper than a Steam Deck that can stream over 5Ghz with very little added latency AND play games locally with no latency.
The price point is insane. Even if it was the best streaming device ever, why not just get a Steam Deck which does the same and more. Blows my mind.
Didn’t Linus ban Newegg from advertising for all the shady stuff last year?
Finally 1080p Switch Games on the Couch or Bed, as long as you can see the real Switch, as long as your Display has battery.
Neat!
I can stream from my PC (And PS5) with my AYN Odin Lite... it has WiFi 6 and works great anywhere in my house...But I can also play games natively.. And its about $150 less than the PeakDo... What purpose does this PeakDo serve?
In a few years i can see this type of gaming being a norm. I myself would like one when the line of sight flaw is fixed.
Also made a review about this thing and where it looks great I was really annoyed by the way it works with wireless communication.
Don't start me about the controllers I need to re-connect a million times to my console 😅
Fun idea the end result was not that great 🙄
Can't think of a single scenario where this thing would be useful
Well then you honestly aren't too good at thinking... If you have a powerful gaming PC but want to play games comfortably laying in bed or on the couch? Or maybe, as mentioned in the video, be able to do different things while only having one tv?
No lie the concept is damn cool and there is no technical reason why they could not use the mm wave for the controls as well. I suspect though the reason they went this route is this allows for 3rd party controllers and compat with the switch where as using mm wave on the controllers would increase cost for 2x more transceivers or require them to be non removable
It is an option for them to consider in the future i suspect they likely are already looking at that
Yeah, I was kinda disappointed by that. There doesn't seem to be much advantage for this device versus getting their generic transmitter, a portable screen, and your own Bluetooth controller. Since you'd need to bring your own computer along too, it's not like you really need the portability for transit so the versatility/extra screen space would seem to win out in situations like open concept floor plans and studios where you want to game from bed/couches that are further away from a desk PC.
The latency from fast encoders like Sunshine is less than a single frame with NvFBC which can be enabled on consumer GPUs with a Linux driver patch (then you use Steam with Proton).
You now have to deliver this stream to your client with minimal ping and almost zero jitter. The only setup that worked for me was a gigabit Ethernet connection. I want to game with a real monitor, keyboard and mouse, so having an Ethernet cable isn't that bad. Wi-Fi has terrible jitter and will drop frames. This also applies to Nvidia GameStream.
I love using my Wii U, as a portable GameCube for around the house. It's streaming to, with LOW latency from 2012
Nice to see that the WiiU is making a comeback.
I was really psyched up until the "cant stream to a different room" part :/
It's an exceptionally niche product, I don't see it selling well, but given the high price and low Chinesium manufacturing costs it may yet be profitable.
3:06 Ahhh yes the classic circle in a square button..... Press it to receive your pizza
Just snagged one of these. Despite the limitations, this is the kind of device I've been looking for for years. I loved remoteplay via the psvita on ps4 and my main use case was as a wii u gamepad type device. I really want to be able to use this with my ps5 for a handheld ps5 experience as remoteplay with the ps5 drops random frames even with my kickass internet connection. The only caveat is the joycon connect as a ps4 controller to the ps5 so only ps4 versions are playable unless you use an official controller. Also I think there may be issues with the touchpad being mapped. But we'll see. If this thing provides a smooth experience without dropping frames, I'm happy. If it drops random frames like all other streaming solutions I've used, I'm immediately returning it.
Playstation is already coming out with its own version of this device but better really.
Except remote play for PlayStation is trash and it relies on the same tech so I'm not super hopeful. I've never managed to get remoteplay to work without framedrops even with an amazing local connection. The closest I got to a usable experience for me was chiaki, but that's third party. Again I'd love for Sony to prove me wrong but we'll see.
At last! I can bring the experience of _watching 2003 satellite TV, when it's raining_ - to my _short-range wireless gaming_ experience! Thanks, guys! 😏
I foresee some problem with having the power button that close to other buttons, especially when located right beside the enter/menu button!
The need for line of sight, makes it pretty much useless (or at least limited to a degree that makes it useless outside those few outliers).
Good thing this device that needs line of sight came with travel case
I have to question the choices here. Why use mm wavelength for this product and then why use bluetooth controllers?
I guess the dongle transmitter could go on a hdmi cord that reaches where ever you want it to right? Like a lighthouse or the old external ir recievers for tv/vcr/dvd setups. Or a kinect.
Sure, but you still need to be constantly aiming the handheld's antenna wherever the dongle is. Since it's a mm wave connection it can be broken by so much as the thickness of a leaf.
Wow playing my switch games on a handheld while not being able to leave my house sounds like a dream come true
Its an odd product, but 1 use case I could envision would be a child/teen who has a console, but the parents don't want a TV in their room. From what I gather, you could plug in a console in your room, hook it up to this dongle, and then use it without ever having another screen hooked up to the console or even in the room. Still, a bit of a weird product.
Maybe you could use this to play Xbox or PS5 games in places you don't have access to a TV.
If you have to have LoS why not just use a wireless controller? Most HDMI ports are on the back of the console. I can't wrap my head around it either but it was crowdfunded so someone thought it was a decent idea.
I am someone who mods a lot of games on my desktop PC. I've wanted to get the portable PCs like Steamdeck or GPD's, but then I'd have to transfer all of my mods to the thing, and odds are it would run way worse. This would be a way for me to play the exact stuff that is on my PC portably with zero wi-fi issues (since there are many times when I'm without wifi). But damn dude, $350 is WAY too much. I'd pay $100 at the most.
This would be cool to have as like a secondary display while using a controller, kind of like a Wii U. Maybe having discord or something in the middle or Spotify while you play games on your main screen
But if you’re buying this to play games handheld, just get a Steam deck
Steam link already does all this but you can use a 5 generation old Samsung you had in a drawer anyway in a $25 razer kishi
I think it's very niche. I'd prefer to stick with using my phone and a backbone or gamevice and stream my games to my phone while I'm away from home
I have a steam deck and it manages zero latency as far as I can determine, would be nice to test this, I also streamed Control to my steam deck via 4g/FTTN and i was 36km away and i didnt notice much latency at all as well.
Since you mention FTTN I assume you're based in Australia; my latency back to my home system from a 4G device is about 50ms on a really good day, which isn't great but is definitely manageable for single player games since that's well within the sort of latencies considered acceptable for casual online multiplayer stuff (streaming an online multiplayer game is a different story because the total round trip latency would be additive).
I'm not sure what's worse. This product or the taking a dudegg sponsorship.
Is this what you'd call a "dumb terminal" as it doesn't process much more than video and audio and leaving the rest to a normal computer?
"We don't need the lab"
Linus cries in the background