Interview: Magnitude 3 Speak About F-4U, F-8J & Mig-21bis
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- USEFUL LINKS
RUclips CHANNEL MAP: / @grimreapers
DCS TUTORIALS: / @grimreapers
DCS BUYERS GUIDE: • DCS World Module Quick...
DCS OFFICIAL: www.digitalcom...
ONE TO ONE LESSONS: grimreapers.ne...
DONATE/SUPPORT
MERCHANDISE: www.redbubble....
PATREON monthly donations: / grimreapers
PAYPAL one-off donations: www.paypal.me/...
SOCIAL MEDIA
WEBSITE: grimreapers.net/
STREAM(Cap): / grimreaperscap
STREAMS(Other Members): grimreapers.ne...
FACEBOOK: / grimreapersgroup
TWITTER: / grimreapers_
DISCORD(DCS & IL-2): / discord (16+ age limit)
DISCORD(TFA Arma): discordapp.com... (16+ age limit)
OTHER
CAP'S X-56 HOTAS MAPS: drive.google.c...
THANK YOU TO: Mission Makers, Admin, Staff, Helpers, Donators & Viewers(without which, this could not happen) xx
#GRInterview #Mag3 #F4U #F8J #Mig21#GR
Cap, a helpful suggestion to make future interviews better: Group the questions by module. Start with the F-8 Crusader, follow it with the F4U, continue to the Mig-21, and then end with generic stuff that doesn't fit in anything else. Jumping around from subject to subject makes listening to this challenging as I often find I need to have the screen up in order to see what question is being answered. It'll also make it easier to jump ahead in time to a particular module that interests people.
M3 is a joke....they take an eternity to get shit done
@@SpearHead1011 start your own company and show them how it’s done.
@@SpearHead1011 yeah you sound way mores successful than them. I've bet you've got the rights to make the F-22 and F-35 for DCS and are making tons of cash of your modules you've already released. What a total little kid
@@crystalhenderson8870 Actually, I make plenty of money. I code for a living designing apps and fixing bugs. Every now and then I assist with web design. If I wanted to, it would be very easy to code aircraft. The only issue I would have is graphic design.
@@SpearHead1011 how naive you are.
MiG-21 Lancer would be awesome!!! I want to be able to fly against modern fighters in the MiG-21.
Looking forward to that Crusader. In a couple of years, we might have a decent amount of Vietnam era modules for someone to start making the matching map.
YES TO THE LANCER MiG-21! Would love to get it in dcs
I would clap my hands like a happy seal seeing the crusader for download... Good luck guys developing it!
Already got the '21. Great work!
I would absolutely love the f8 "the last gunfighter"!
Totally fulfill my Area 88 fantasy
That, and Jane's Vietnam campaign
F-8 is going to fit my preference perfectly. Already a supersonic fighter but you still need to dogfight to shoot down the enemy.
Unfortunately, the F-8J wasn't exactly well-liked by its pilots. Due to the Boundary-Layer Control System's weight (and the fact that it took some airflow away from the engine), the F-8J didn't have as good acceleration or energy retention as variants such as the F-8E or F-8H.
"need the Marianas island for Corsair to be historically accurate".
Really? You can't put Corsairs in Royal Navy colors? Because then you could use them on the Normandy and Channel maps and be perfectly historically accurate
"even cooler than the phantom"
First you insult the hornet now this!
Needless to say the F4U is actually cool af
Reminds me of the P47 but carrier based
Corsair also flew in Korea - shot down a mig and was involved in some interesting incidents. The fleet air arm flew them in both Europe and the pacific in ww2 ('twas the Brits figured out how to land them on carriers) I volunteer to Alpha or Beta test the F4U!!! Memememe!! (my uncle flew them)
Great interview, Cap! Good to hear from the Magnitude 3 developers. Novak, glad you are still with M3! Enjoyed doing the Grudge Match commentary with you a few years ago.
The best existing version of the Mig-21 is the BISON. This version is used by the Indian Air Force (Reportedly the Pakistani F-16 was shot down by a MIG 21 BISON of the Indian Air Force). BISON has a new radar, avionics, cockpit, helmet sight and the possibility of using modern weapons such as R-73, R-27, R-77 and also modern AG weapons. That would be a good thing for DCS.
The F-8 is awesome. I remember them from my early navy days, although they were strictly reconnaissance then.
It's cool that you got to see RF-8Gs in service
F4U and F-8 are two of my favorites of all time. I might have to get serious about DCS soon.
Soon? You wont see the F4u for 2 more years and the F8 for atleast 5 years. Soon, lol
@@SpearHead1011 oh geez.
really hope the improvements to the Mig-21 include a see-through canopy...
will not fly the Mig-21 module again until it's fixed
Again, why was question 10 skipped over? I think something might be going on behind the curtains here :)
Sorry we had to remove some questions for legal reasons.
@@grimreapers Yeah, alright, no problem. Keep the videos going, great work !
Cap you missed Q10. It was an interesting one.
Sorry we had to remove some questions for legal reasons.
Oh shit! It could mean one of this birds is being work on by some developer studio. Any of them - MiG-25, MiG-29, Su-17 - I'm ready.
@@grimreapers Well I don't see any legal problems with asking like "Are you going to model a MiG-25, -29 [or similar]" just because something like this _might_ be in the works somewhere else that you know of already, but aren't allowed to tell (like that second redfor airplane you mentioned the other day next to the MiG-29A that ED apparently will be or is already working on). But I guess you simply didn't want to trap yourself in accidently telling something that is under NDA, that'd be perfectly understandable.
Please be a MiG-25. If they’re making a Foxbat, take my money right now.
@@dillonmurray3212 Honestly, as far as high fidelity Russian fixed-wing, I'd like Su-27S, MiG-29SM, Su-24M, Su-17M4, MiG-27K, Su-34, Tu-22M, MiG-23MLD, in that order. The Foxbat is so myopically single-role that I think it'd get boring quickly: It's either single-role high-speed interceptor, OR single-role supersonic ARM-flinger, OR single-role tactical reconnaissance. But no MiG-25 model is capable of more than a single role.
But then, there are plenty of people who pay big bucks to fly computerized 747s from point A to point B, so maybe lots of people would be happy with single-role aircraft modules.
LANCER MIG-21 would be the coolest DCS module.
Sweeeeeet can't wait! I hope you're having a beautiful day too Cap!
19:40 This particular part of the interview is something I think a lot of flight simmers don't really understand on a 'traditional combat sim' level. I've found reference to Air Warrior community events, the kind of things that would have been 60+ people flying in a mission, as far back as the late 80s. In those scenarios they always had to 'play pretend' because the aircraft that should be in the scenario weren't in the game. It is absolutely a normal thing to be doing in combat sims, and the only times and places that we've ever had full plane sets have been extremely limited. You really do have to grind it down to a specific time to do so, and the only flight sim I can think of to date that does it well is probably Il-2 BoB/DW. Rise of Flight came close, and so does Wings Over Flanders Fields (no multiplayer tho.)
Last I checked this system continues to be in use with the more traditional combat sim communities (Like the Aces High event community, which is the great grandchild of the Air Warrior community.) It's just something we kind of have to learn to deal with, there will never be full planesets in dcs to fit into an 'era' properly. There are too many options and developers would have to work together to create it, which could be individually damning.
This basically all boils down into me saying that if you don't use the Christen Eagle as a O-1 Bird Dog stand in you're doing something wrong. :P
I think overall the old Il-2 series did also pretty well with delivering full scenarios. Of course there's always something missing, especially like airships or unarmed recon planes in Rise of Flight or the TBF/M Avengers in Il-2 PF, so even very critical assets.
DCS however still does have to catch up massive amounts of lots here.
It was the Fleet Air Arm of the Royal Navy that had the F-4 not the RAF. Plus the FAA operated the planes off carriers before the USN/USMC.
So the LAZUR GCI system sounds like the system the F106 had called SAGE, except that it could fly the plane and fire the weapons.
Regarding the place of the F4U in DCS, Fleet Air Arm Corsairs actually operated in Norway and the Baltic Sea. One could easily stretch things a little and have those aircraft near the Channel instead.
Bat bomb...sixties Batman theme...
To be fair, the batbomb was always scary because beside the theory of they would sleep in wooden buildings...there was the theory of rabies spreading throughout the bat colony.
Yes the US was considering spreading rabies through the Japanese population. They also created a hard to kill breed of poison ivy...which plagues certain areas of California to this day..
Man, I really want an F-105. No games really feature it and it was the backbone of USAF for the entire vietnam war.
You must have missed Jane's USAF and Strike Fighters (2): Vietnam, but I do agree, very much needed.
@@CakePrincessCelestia I did miss that. I must find it.
Can't wait until the f4u is available. And if such an interview with Razbam comes about, my questions would be: is an Av8b II + coming? And does the m2000c get even more armament (fox3 rockets or A / G armament)? Or maybe an update to the m2000-5 version that has more armament choices.
*Me:"I promise i wont get political today"*
*Also me after three beers:* 54:58
lols
Shame, no one asked anything about f16 killer MiG-21 bison and if it could be a thing in DCS
I'd love a Lancer D or PFM MiG 21
So excited for the f-4u!
but the korena war Corsair was a F4U-5 with the 20mm cannons... If you give us a foru baldes U- all we need is Collosus/Magestic Carrier and we can simulate 50s Argies navy.
Great interview and video cap. I have to say, I love the Mag Lads...cann't wait to see the new offerings, especial the Crusader to accompany the F14 missions. And the F4U for Naval missions, shame there is no Mitsubishi A6M Zero, or USAF avenger, Helcat, Wildcat, Vindicator and SBD Dauntless...if the Mag lads could do these, then DCS would be the business.
Really nice guys! Kudos
I'm just first seeing this, now. Still useful information. Very cool to hear from the developers! I hope they will release the F-8J with an angled-deck Essex-class carrier like the Intrepid -and- the slightly different Lexington--difference in deck-edge elevator location...both of these ships are current museums. Also with an EKA-3B Skywarrior AI and E-1B Tracer AI aircraft. And then either the A-4E-C or the A-7E would fit right along on these modernized (1960's) Essex-class ships.
F-8s flew into combat with their wings folded. VMF-232 (all weather) F-8s did a few times when operating from Da Nang.
Great interview, if you get a chance to talk to them again, ask them if the F-8 model they are doing has the ability to guide the bullpup AGM.
You can use the F4U with Fleet Air Arm paint in European theatre
I would like to ask to Magnitude 3 about the idea of launching another mig-21 variant, this time a Mig-21 F-13 as it is a really different genre aircraft (gen 2 jet compared to gen 3 bis model). They are quite similar in the flight performance (faster module release) but have major differences in flight characteristic, i.e.
No blower flaps (faster landing speed and more brick like sink rate)
Smaller tailfin (easier to get into spin)
Different parachute position
No radar
Ranging only gun radar
2 missile pylons instead of 4
Better visibility
Cooler look unlike the beast bis
What do you think?
MiG-21F-13 was - in opinion of pilots flying both "F-13" and "bis" - more maneuverable and had far better visibility from it's bubble canopy.
@@krzysztofseremak2201 I also found so after flying both in the War Thunder's mig-21-F-13 in sim battle and dcs mig-21bis, but I questioned the aerodynamics accuracy of War Thunder because it feels wierd in supersonic region
@@firmaneffendi2801 You can't compare WT and DCS directly, WT isn't nearly as realistic. An F-13 would definitely be a fun module though.
@@TLTeo exactly I'm saying about! In WT, the fishbed somehow fly like it don't have any drag or feels like a kite to me. F-13 will be fun as they are from different era ;)
We need F4U-4 , F4U-5 and AU-1. AU-1 for modern combat times
Maybe they could give us a P/F80...just so we could do more Korean War or what ifs for WW2. Also we need the Me262 and the Komet
262 is planned by ED still and I remember seeing WIP shots of the cockpit. P-80 would be great as well, I agree. Also need some 84s with tons of rockets.
Christian Eagle flies identical to the real plane. The Pitts Special was another bi-wing plane which has an extremely potent roll rate. If that plane is ever modeled..(Doubt it) ....it too, will be a handfull.
Why was question 10 skipped without a comment? It was the most interesting question in my opinion
Sorry we had to remove some questions for legal reasons.
@@grimreapers so that was a yes, but they can’t say yet lol
Remember that F4 Corsair and P51 Mustangs met in battle in the 1969 "Football War"
Understand why the F8 is hard...it literally can change it's center of lift!
Unlike the Tomcat then? :)
@@decnet100 tomcat shifts back, f8 if you use the shift goes forward and upward.
KSP can show it really clearly. Maybe I should make a vid.
@@Redemptorchapter No worries, I know the wing tilts up on the F8 - wouldn't have thought it move the center of lift forwards though, clearly the geometric center of the wing itself will be going back a bit by pivoting up around the rear (from all the photos of landing Crusaders I've seen, it doesn't look like the mechanism was moving the wing forwards either), but I don't know about any auxiliary lift devices such as leading-edge-extensions and more complicated aerodynamic phenomena that might be going on - so don't get me wrong, if you have good material on that, I'd of course be happy to watch :).
What I'm saying is just, I just don't suppose it will be incredibly more difficult to model than the wing-sweep on the Tomcat - after all, the simulation itself seems to deal with that just fine - and that's variable both in the sweep amount itself and across a huge range of speeds. The F8's mechanism on the other hand AFAIK was a binary thing (either raise or lower the wing) that was only ever used in lower, close-to-stall speeds, mainly Carrier landings. Which is of course still very complex, but I suppose at least nobody will fault the developers for simply going "the wing fails" or "it doesn't open at all" if one tried to open it at Mach speeds on an F-8.
@@decnet100 cool; I never knew until I started KSP
The suffix "bis" was actually used by the Italians during the 1930s to denote a "superseding" or "second model" of an existing design, although I believe the term itself is German in origin, and was adopted by Soviets to describe an updated/modernised second echelon model currently being replaced in Soviet service but offered as a roughly equivalent earlier model in a cost recovery exercise both to ease transition to the newer model whilst maintaining a ready force with currently trained pilots with an updated older model and secondarily as an export offering since a newer model was being transition for the Soviets. This is the reason for the "bis" suffix, which first appeared for export of an updated Istrebitel I-15 biplane at the time the I-16 monoplane entered production, this updated I-15 was listed as the I-152 in Soviet service (I-15, variant 2), alongside the I-16 early production blocks and was offered for export, initially to the Italians and so hence the export designation I-15bis. However even in Soviet service the I-152 became widely referred to as the I-15bis and this terminology stuck in the postwar environment when similarly the MiG17 was undergoing preproduction testing, whilst the MiG15 still had development potential so the MiG15bis was produced as per the I-15bis, both as an export projection in this case for China instead of Italy and as a transitional model of similar capability to the newer model for the Soviet forces. Similarly again with the MiG21bis, which was produced alongside the MiG23M. In fact the first non Warsaw Pact export version of the MiG23, the downgraded MiG23MS is constructed using identical equipment to the MiG21bis and only the basic airframe of the MiG23, so for example in Air Forces such as the Finnish it was decided the MiG21bis was actually a preferred purchase than the MiG23MS with identical capabilities, lower maintenance and less unit cost.
The noteworthy use of the "bis" suffix is really tied to export surveying, where indigenous Soviet only model update improvements which are not intended for export are typically given various Russian Ud, F or M suffixes for "improved" or "modified", for example the 1942 updated version of the excellent MiG3 high altitude interceptor with heavier armament, control slats and other improvements was the MiG3ud, the improved version of the powerful Lavochkin La5 was the La5F and later a boost-injected version La5FN. Newer models like the Flanker and Fulcrum also follow Russian coding, Su27SM for example is the updated Millennial Flanker with R77 capability, digitalisation and full glass cockpit and whilst it is an interim of the AESA equipped Su35ovt in VVS service it still isn't really intended for export so uses Russian suffix as opposed to that old world, continental Italian/German bis suffix.
"bis" is actually derived from Latin not German :)
Would have been nice to have timestamps and a topics' list
If someone has time to get them I'll put them in vid.
I hope to see F-8J in 10 years term from now to not be dissapointed. This team aren't quite fast in development. Little sarcasm.
Hey CAP an idea for a video... can you have a team flying the Christian eagle that’s forced in to fly in a small area... and a team in combined arms shooting flak at them ...last man standing wins!! Classic turkey shoot
lol this sounds very GR
when i get a better pc ill play dcs ill get mig-21 with croatian skin and well su-25
F8. OK so I will need to buy a new module.
here is the list of coming modules im gonna buy: f15e, eurofighter, mirage 2000-5, f8, mig 23.
i think i need to win the lotto XD
Relax,,,you wont see it for atleast 5 more years
What about that Su-17 teaser? 🤔
Such a good interview I wish I could give you more thumbs :D
I was wondering if the F-8J that we will be getting may or may not have chaff and flares since they may be included as part of the project shoehorn mod.
Still waiting for F-4 phantom II
Talks about the F-8J, shows pictures of the RF-8G.
Awww here I thought it was the F-4 Phantom, We need the Phantom to face off with the Mig-21's
Does the F-8J have IRST, bc i see that a F-8E has one and the J is a more advanced version. So does it?
Yes. Not all of them had it, as later it was removed when Navy deemed it useless (as with F4 Phantom since B had it but later it was nowhere to be found), but originally F-8J had it.
@@MAG3_Hiromachi nice, question is now, will they model it?
The F-8D,E, and J had them. The F8U-1 (F-8A),B, C didn't. The later F-8 B, C, and D rebuilds (the F-8K,H,L) were mixed, some did and didn't have them like Hiromachi noted. Th IR seeker on the F-8 looked like a blister or "pimple" that protruded from between the windscreen and the nose cone.
As far the F-4 was concerned: The F-4B,C,D,N had it but the F-4J,E,S did not. Some of the early USAF F-4Ds had no ISRT ("donkey dick") under the radome. However, by the 1970s most surviving F-4Ds in USAF and international service had the tube under the nose.
Stupid questions is always the best questions.
What is with the eurofighter typhoon?
M³ isn't TrueGrit... ;)
Well, fuck, I see the question I wanted to see answered most has been skipped over...
WhooHoo! With the F8 in development then the A7 can't be far behind....?
Lancer or PFM,just a dream come true.
When will Tejas come on DCS
As a real pilot with taildragger experience ALL DCS piston engine aircraft fly as if something isn't locked in place. Harder isn't always MORE realistic. If they were that hard to fly you'd not only see far more accidents past & present time but they would flat out be banned in the airshow circuits by the insurance companies. The Take off procedures are so opposite of what you want to really do, I'd say most of you hoping to learn how to really fly are only frustrating & endangering your future flight instructor and yourselves. The Jets it seem to be more spot on & from what I've gathered from the Rotor wing pilots the Helios could use a little improvement but are a bit closer though also a bit more challenging and harder than real life but I can't say for sure. I just fly fixed wing piston and those are a joke. Serious buyers remorse on all but the P-51D and I probably wouldn't buy that again if I had the chance but the others are so bad I wish every time I see them I could get my bread back and spend it on ANY OTHER FLIGHT SIM BUT DCS PROP PLANES. Folks don't waste your money, IL-2, X-Plane or the New MSFS 2020 but don't teach yourselves bad habits with these poorly designed complex toys.
Having fun.. what its all about!👍
You'd have to be really dumb to take off with the wings folded on the F4U due to you know.. the wings folding over the cockpit. Kinda hard to overlook. F-8 wing tips were easier to overlook, especially as they were manually locked. Btw, F-4 Phantom also cat launched without the wing tips locked once and landed safely.
POP POP!
Any idea when the F4U will be released for DCS , please?
Shouldn't they finish fixing the glitches and missing commands in existing modules before releasing more modules?
N by the way Cap youse guys man flying these big shines metal birds look much easier than it are, is harder than it looks much mo harder!
What about q10?
Sorry we had to remove some questions for legal reasons.
Pardon my ignorance, i couldn’t quite make out what the answer was regarding the mig21bis - why ate they doing this module if we already have it? What are the improvements to whats in the sim now
They're working on a full 3D overhaul. This includes a brand new cockpit.
When will a pilot body be coming for the Mig-21 for Vr???
Never!
Q:28 Maybe fall with grace? LOL ;)
Speaking of MiG-21bis revamp, please take a look at this topic on ED Forums that I posted.
forums.eagle.ru/forum/english/digital-combat-simulator/dcs-world-2-5/dcs-wishlist-aa/7147176-serbian-mig-21bis-details
I literally was thinking "What's up with M³, I haven't heard anything of their projects like in ages" just yesterday... must be coincidence XD
0:15 It's pronounced "Roodle" :)
14:59 The EEL also had such a system that would allow ground crew to remote control the thing, same for Tomcat (that's the VEC/PCD mode on the AP panel) or the F-102/106. Was rather common to have such for GCI back in the day and ED really needs to be nagged on a daily basis to go more into cold war era and model the base for this. With RAZBAM's EEL coming we'd have at least 2 modules already that really need this since it's their main role. This and a GCI AI that is able to direct us by giving direct steering information instead of just BRA calls.
25:36 Check out ruclips.net/video/oNW-8ly3p-g/видео.html to see how that works. It's basically a 12 radials pre-TACAN thing where you have to listen to and understand morse codes and know the correct codes table for the time since they changed that every few hours.
26:46 I remember Nick Grey talking about making the Hellcat at ED... as for Avengers: Still crying in Il-2 PF where 1c weren't allowed to model those by Northrop Grumman because there have been legal issues with some ships from their shipyards before...
27:55 I just hope you guys will repeat that question one day in an interview with AvioDev, just with the lawnmower swapped for a hairdryer! :D
34:49 I remember back in Il-2 PF it was possible to get extremely fast on the ground with wings folded up in the Corsair, but that was fixed after a few patches. You simply had to pull back on the stick to get that, and the thing went like 700-800km/h without lifting off. I even made a map with a track that was like 30 miles long just for this. That would make for such a great Sunday _Funday_ at GR, but I can't remember the exact version(s) that worked in...
43:17 Similar to R-3R basically. And in the end those AIM-9Cs became AGM-122s.
44:34 ruclips.net/video/Slpkw1BGRXk/видео.html
54:01 I smell F-8J at VFAT there...
57:54 That is so great to hear there. Must feel really lucky, 'cos I'm totally unable to find anyone willing to employ me for money since I can't see decently enough anymore and everything takes like 5+ times longer for me to do. It just wouldn't pay off for anyone to hire me because every Tom, Dick and Harry would at least be thrice as efficient as I am.
Thanks Super RD x
As much as I would like to see that F-8, I highly doubt it's going to happen.
I wish I could have asked a question to the Panel.my question would have been. Are there any plans to release sometime the P47D.5 The razor back P47..
That's probably a question more suitable for ED since they did already 3 D models. The Fighter Collection even did own a Razorback P-47G (The Snafu) a few years ago, but as far as I could find out, it's now privately owned in Houston, TX.
Novak still active pilot in SAF?
I had no idea? Awesome!
That explains your question why 21 was first module they made. He flew it.
Is the F-8j still coming?
Oh I wasn't "just joking" about that lawnmower question. It's a shame there's more Corsairs still flying than there are CE2s so they couldn't get a better recording of an IO-360 the MOST COMMON ENGINE IN GENERAL AVIATION.
I guess recording a Pitts instead would come closest to it if it wasn't possible to record a CEII properly. Same engine and pretty similar overall shape and layout.
@@CakePrincessCelestia one of them has direct access to a CE2. It’s why they built the module as their prop learning build. If they think it’s fine, don’t expect much from the Corsair.
@@mzaite Well, there's also modules out there that use royalty free stock sounds. Just listen to the jet engines in Kerbal Space Program and then fly the Harrier to get a nice example of that :D
Could be worse :)
the whole whistling thing was pure propaganda. inside of an aircraft with its own engine roaring very loudly its almost impossible to hear a noise like that. this was confirmed after the war when Japanese pilots were interviewed. Now the poor fellows on the ground unlucky enough to fall under the F4U's wrath that maybe a whole other matter.
They were the ones that named it.
I don't know if anyone else has posted this but here's a great video for the whistling death ruclips.net/video/IBUKiKvl29Q/видео.html
yeahh
You didnt press these guys at all? How far along are they on the F8? Whats left? Come on man!
Can’t wait for the F4U, just shut up and take my money already!
Relax...you wont see it for atleat 2 more years
I won't buy any module from them after their so-called MiG-21bis(which has nothing in common with real thing).
ASP is completely broken.
FM is being remade every year and still is a mess.
SAU not even working.
SPS system is broken.
And many, many inaccuracies and simplifications present.
It can't even taxi properly with heavy load(wheels sunk under tarmac). Wheely effect is also unbelivable.
All bugreports already made. All documentation is brought from russian communitiy to them.
Module is 6 year old. Can't say it progressed even to the beta stage. Still alpha level at best. ex-USSR Fishbed Pilots are crying when seeing this module.
Thanks for feedback.
First!!!
Only 20 minutes late might as well claim first huh lol
Yes it was a highstake gamble on my part:)