BYD Dolphin Dynamic vs MG4 Excite 51 - AUSTRALIA
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- It's ON! Australian spec BYD Dolphin Dynamic vs MG4 Excite 51.
Who will be the winner????
The MG wins on bigger battery (both are LFP)
and Range (I've estimated the real mixed driving range... you'd get a lot more just going around town)
and Power (a lot more oomph from the MG4), which then equates to the MG4 being much
Faster 0 - 100 km/h.... 7.7 seconds in the MG4, vs a sluggish (worse than my 30kw/h Leaf) 12.3 seconds of the Dolphin. It's a lazy Dolphin.
The Dolphin (primarily due to the smaller battery), wins on weight (1506 kg vs 2083 kg)... that's a Fat MG4. Needs a diet.
This translates into better efficiency from the Dolphin battery, as it doesn't have as much weight to try and push around. Imagine if they'd put a much stronger motor in there..... it would fly, or, er, swim.
DC fast charging isn't much different (note the Dolphin specs say from 30% - 80%, whereas the MG4 say 10% - 80%)
The infotainment screen is bigger in the Dolphin, and does it's rotating party trick... not sure how useful that ever is... tell me in the comments...
From watching a tonne of RUclips video's on the MG4, and seeing it live in a BYD Atto 3 and MG ZS EV, I think the Dolphin has better software. Not perfect, of course, but not as slow as the MG4... where at the moment you can't save your settings and need to do them again every time you get into the car (e.g. driving preferences, turn auto lane assist off). Maybe the Australian version will be much improved by MG... will have to wait for the real test drives and reviews to see. With the BYD software, it's also possible to install your own apps (e.g. RUclips)... not sure if that's a thing with the MG4.
Both have a smaller screen in front of the steering wheel, and the MG4's is slightly larger.
Boot capacity is very similar, with a slight edge to the Dolphin when the rear seats are down.
One thing on my Leaf, which I found to be very useful, is the 360 degree birds-eye view camera, and the Dolphin has this in it's base model.
The Dolphin has better seats... heated, electric adjustment, and fake leather.
The Dolphin also has Automatic Climate Control, whereas it seems (until someone corrects me) that the MG4 51 doesn't... you change it manually (via the infotainment or buttons on the steering wheel). Not a big deal.
Both have Adaptive Cruise Control and various other safety features.
Both have Apple Carplay and Android Auto.
Both have Vehicle to Load, though the Dolphins is 3.3 kW vs 2.2 kW in the MG4... not sure what practical effect this has (less kettles boiling at once?)
Both have regen braking, which is standard on all EV's, but from what I've researched, the Dolphin doesn't have one-pedal driving like a Tesla.... it's more like my Leaf where you have to use the brake pedal as well, but the MG4 does apparently have one-pedal driving, which I think is an essential feature of any EV, now I've been spoiled driving a Tesla.... it's amazing.
Aesthetically, they are both quite different, of course, with the Dolphin having a glass panoramic sunroof and the MG4 having a rear spoiler. I think both cars look great... the MG4 is more aggressive and masculine I suppose.
The Dolphin has wireless phone charging, whereas the MG does not.
The Dolphin has metallic paint included in the cost (although with a very limited pallette of colours), versus paying $700 more if you want a metallic MG4.
The Dolphin has a BIG PLUS with OTA updates, whereas with the MG4 you need to take it to the dealer every time to update the infotainment software (and there'll definitely be quite a few updates, to both). Hopefully MG do OTA in the near future... it's so much better.
The Dolphin has a heat pump, which is also how it makes the car more efficient. The MG doesn't. Bit of a miss there.
MG have thrown 17" alloys onto their base car, and all the googling in the world couldn't show me what BYD have put on their Australian Dolphin Dynamic. It's important, as it really affects the range and drivability of the car.... if it's the cheap-ass crappy one's they put on the Atto 3, then a lot of people will be swapping those tyres very quickly.
And nearly finally, the Dolphin has Sat Nav as standard in the base model, whereas with the MG you need to upgrade to the Essence to get that, and a whole bunch more which are already standard on the base model Dolphin.
And really finally, one thing I didn't add to the list, was MG's 7 year unlimited km warranty, vs the shitshow that has been EV Direct's warranty and service costs (mainly the warranty). There goes my invite to test drive a Dolphin for a day. The warranty may well be the thing that pushes more people towards MG than BYD, because even though I think the base MG has cheaper parts and materials than the base Dolphin, it doesn't really matter if the company are going to take care of anything that goes wrong, for 7 years.
I've driven both these cars (in the UK) and we now own an MG4, so you're probably seeing where I'm going with this. The single absolute no-brainer deciding factor for me is rear wheel drive. It just doesn't work putting front wheel drive on an EV! We ran an MG ZS EV before the MG4, and currently also have a Kia e-Niro - both are front wheel drive, and both suffer from the same problem. They wheel-spin when you try and put the 200hp onto the road when pulling out of junctions, etc. The rear wheel drive MG4 is exactly the same power as our e-niro (200hp) but feels much more powerful, as all the power goes onto the road all the time! So, RWD all the way!!
Thanks Doug, that's excellent info. It's really good to hear from someone who has an MG4 and other EV's to compare it to.
Which spec MG4 do you have? And are there any problems with the build quality or software?
It's not really possible to really compare cars on paper. I haven't driven a Dolphin, but the MG4 is an absolute hoot to drive. The chassis, steering, suspension and RWD make it a lot of fun on a back road.
Can't wait to try it in August/September here in Australia. I drove the Ora Cat the other day.... really nice, and a lot of quality in the interior, with a lot of fruit (and none of the issue's I watched on the UK version, so I guess they have been listening).
According to UK owners on the MGEVs forum, the 51KW MG4 sold in the UK will fast charge up to 88KW on a DC charger & V2L provides up to 7KW (if an upgraded cable is purchased). Hopefully the Australian version turns out to be the same
You never know, but current specs are 2.2kW.
@@stormjuice Some guy have wired it to their house and it tripped out at 6600 watts
Love to know your decision. I’m in a similar quandary.
I keep changing my mind, but probably not between what you think.
If it were between any Dolphin or MG.... MG for me.
But... I test drove an Ora Cat recently, and LOVED it. A few niggles, but nothing that hopefully would be sorted out with software updates. Review coming soon. Also... $40k for the 48kWh version, with all the tech/features AND style and quality. Sorely tempted to pull the trigger, but waiting for my MG review before I finally decide.... and may just import a 40kWh Leaf instead lol while I wait for the compact Tesla.
This comparison is awesome. Thanks!
Really appreciate that! Thanks, SW :)
On the safety front, Excite models don't come with blind spot or rear cross traffic alert which are both standard on the Dolphin. I don't agree that the Dolphin was originally planned to be $43k, that would make the Premium version too close to the Atto 3. At its current price of $45k, the Dolphin Premium is about $6k less than the Atto 3 Extended, which is very close to the difference in NZ.
Yeah, MG spent their money on the battery and drive, not the fruit. BYD spent it on the fruit, not the battery or drive.
For the base, I'd go MG4 as Drive is more important than Fruit.
For the Dolphin Premium vs MG4 Essence, I'd go Dolphin as it's $6k more vs $9k more... even though it's still FWD and has a shitty warranty compared to the MG.
In the past May, the sales volume of BYD Dolphin in China was 29,000, while that of MG4 was 396. The price difference between the two cars in China does not exceed 3,000 Australian dollars
That's very interesting. Do you know why? Maybe they like cute in China more than Manly.
mg is dedicated to overseas market as the brand is not recognized in China…..just that simple
@@ericxu3860 This brand has nothing to do, the huge gap in sales is caused by the gap in technology, just like Apple and Nokia, don't forget, MG's parent company Shanghai Automobile is China's largest automobile group
@@stormjuice The Chinese market is all about bells and whistles, the driving experience is completely unimportant.
OTOH, European buyers are MUCH more interested in things like. driving experience, feel etc. No real surprise that BYD is having a tough time getting into the European market, they don't produce drivers' cars. And MG are doing spectacular things in Europe, even before the Cyberster goes on sale.
I really was quite intrigued by BYD when I first heard about them, but they don't produce a single model that would interest me whereas MG has 2 (4 & 5) that might persuade me and, if I had the money, the Cyberster would certainly be on my drive.
Thanks for the comparison. Nice to have 2 reasonable choices but the Tesla compact can't come soon enough.
I know!!! Damn you Tesla.
If I bought an MG4 or Dolphin or whatever, it would just be a stop-gap for me until the Cybertruck or Compact are released in Australia. I think the CT for here will be 3 - 5 years away :(
Call me crazy (many have), but what's the possibility that Tesla have been using Project Highland as a Trojan Horse for the Compact... they are probably facelifting the 3, sure... but what if, at the SAME TIME, they have finished designing the Compact, and are getting production lines ready in China.... where it will be released first (HUGE market, LOVE small cars)... then later in America via GigaMexico.
Well???
The Atto 3 wins over the MG ZS EV
but the base MG4 wins hands down over the Dolphin.
I'm tending to agree at the moment (though my change my mind in 5 min).
Both are a bloody compromise. To get out of the compromise you HAVE to spend $9k more (MG4 Essence) or $6k more (Dolphin Premium) to get everything (range/power AND features). In fact, thinking about it..... if you were to do a VS on the Premium Dolphin vs MG4 Essence, the Dolphin wins hands-down (except on warranty and being FWD).
Interesting times. I'm going to sell my 30kwh Leaf Aero soon (want more range), and I need to decide what to replace it with.....
Want more range, drive slower, reviewer got 435km out of an MG4 Excite 51 at 80km a 60% increase over driving at 120km. 90% I drive less than 40km distance per day. Not worth 9k extra.
Just check with 1 pedal driving, that brake lights come on when slowing without brake pedal, otherwise anyone colliding with your rear could mount a case against you.
Good point. I'm pretty sure they do though. We were worried about this in the Tesla, but it does have the brake lights come on as you take the pedal off (although I do wonder if they come on when the car is on the freeway and you take the pedal off a little bit to coast).
@@stormjuice It depends on the change in velocity over time. Coasting / feathering / slow deceleration no... Anything more than that, then yes.
Don't get excited about OTA updates. BYD have had to rely on this to fix the many problems with the Atto 3 as sold (still ongoing), but in reality every OTA update breaks as many things as it fixes. BYD support is non-existent - once they have your $$$, you're on your own. Hence the proliferation of Atto 3 facebook pages for owners to try and help each other fix problems.
That's really good info, thanks. So I guess BYD don't test their software enough before rolling it out. That's never good.... make you scared to update. In my partners Tesla, we have 99.9% trust in doing the OTA's whenever they happen.
Still.... BYD 'seem' to have better sw than MG, from what I've watched, and read in the forums. Hopefully they sort it out (though you can use Apple Carplay/Android Auto in either car to bypass a certain amount I guess).
Wireless Android auto on Atto 3 is a gem. I do not want to jinx it but so far I have not encountered any sw issues. I did not do any sideload apps though, wonder whether it is a factor. So I am equally happy upgrading sw on both MY and Atto 3 (now I am doomed, of course).
As long as you haven't talked about doing that while in your car (it listens! :) ).
Here in NZ MG4 is $3,000 cheaper than the Dolphin, not $100 difference. Also MG4 is 1750kg not over 2083kg, charging is 88kwh not 50kwh, and here in NZ paint choice is free, not $700 extra. MG4 is CLEAR winner.
Definitely. It was a winner for me too in Australia.
How does the Ora Cat fare there, against the base MG4 and base Dolphin?
Ora Cat just reduced price to between MG4 and Dolphin, like interior finish better bells and whistles than MG4, FWD, slightly smaller battery, slower DC charging. @@stormjuice
shhhh... I just bought one (Perth, Australia). Review about to come out in 20 min too (rendering now).
Thanks for doing a comparison video on cheap MG4 version. Please confirm if it has one pedal driving That's a game changer IMO
I believe it does have proper 1-pedal driving (with four modes of regen, so one must be tesla-like) :)
I just watched this video, which says it doesn't have true one-pedal driving:
ruclips.net/video/hkMU54QlB6Q/видео.html&ab_channel=SHETALKSCARS
@@stormjuice Thanks for getting back to me. What's interesting in the comments, she was reviewing last years MG4 (2022). The 2023 version with rear window wiper etc, importantly has the new sensor in front for one pedal braking to a stop.
Great find Garry! I had to read half the comments to see someone mention that. Hopefully it does have one-pedal driving. Would be a big minus if it didn't (now I love it thanks to Tesla).
Byd Dolphin entry model has 16 inch alloy wheels with Chinese brand tyres fitted.
It would have been better dropping the 70kw motor in the base model Dolphin and fitting the 130kw instead with a 50kw battery.
Totally agree. They did it to a price point. Maybe it will sell like hot-cakes.... maybe not everyone really cares how much power the EV has.... just happy to be the same power as an ICE car.
Great video Mr Stormjuice. About to sign on the dotted line for MG4. Personally the Atto 3 just a little too funky inside and Byd doesn't seem to have the footprint in Aus like MG should something go wrong/you need to speak with someone in person etc (along with limited warranty 6yrs/8yrs battery vs 7yrs umlimited kms). The LCD panel/screen is impressive on the Atto 3 and LFP battery a plus; though living in an apartment I might not have the option of dedicated charger for overnight charging, so the 145kw/h is going to be important for a 10 or 20min 'top up and go' when on a road trip with the MG4 (Atto 3 and Dolphin sub 80 kw/h so makes this a bit more painful). For me the Dolphin is a bit boxy/grandma car feeling so hard to compare it to the MG4 on the outside, but I'm sure it would be a great 2nd car/city runabout.
If going down the MG4 avenue (Essence...potentially even the long range variant) the two biggest fomo's will be the sexier/feature rich display panel and LFP battery (despite slower DC charging rates). Also my MG4 contact has almost $2000 of 'dealer charges' which leaves a bit of a nasty taste in the mouth (no that's not on road costs btw). Almost wipes out the state govt rebate. Anyone else experienced that?
Thanks Dezz!
I read on FB this morning about the issues with BYD support/service (e.g. cheap crap 12V batteries that can't handle winter here in Australia). Doesn't make me confident about buying a BYD here. Are MG any better though??? Their cars certainly don't seem to be quite at the same quality (fit/finish) as the BYD's. The LCD in BYD is impressive (software too), but no-one uses it in portrait... it's a gimmick.
The MG4 base model is also LFP. Dolphin stays LFP though in other specs, whereas MG goes NMC.
I like both car designs actually.... the gentle Dolphin and the beefy MG4. Then again, I drive a Nissan Leaf :) If people really just need a 2nd city car, then I'd just import a 40kwh Leaf from Japan for $25k.
I'll check on the dealer charges with my local MG dealer... that would definitely be a no... may as well get a Tesla Model 3, or import a 40kwh Leaf, if that's the case..... and wait for the Compact Tesla.
@stormjuice Yeah interesting, coz the majority of reviews of the MG4 from EU/UK I've watched and seen has the quality being not too bad. Though that's more able the stability of the vehicle, robust sound doors when they close etc etc vs Byds range. Plastic fittings, shiny surfaces etc...yep but figure that comes with the price point.
Interesting your point RE 12V batteries. Hadn't considered so big ups for that 👍
Agreed about the portrait mode on byds models, unlikely to be used. Software feels quite feature rich though.
Basically an inner city/suburb driver with the occasional road trip so like the MG4 to negate narrow parks, weaving in tight spots but also keeping the style 😅
Thoughts on the Byd Seal? Tempted to wait till that arrives as looks a more polished/mature product than the Atto 3 or Dolphin (personal opinion anyway) despite being different shape/size/use cases. Let us know your luck with the local MG dealer and great work creating all this fantastic content 👌
Cheers Dezz for the compliment on the channel.... amateur, weird soh but I try and be honest (even though I may be wrong lol).
Seal.... why bother? My current policy is that if anything is within $10k of any Tesla... get the Tesla. If the Model 3 were $52k instead of $62k..... no competition.... Model 3 all the way over MG4/BYD. Much better car in every way, no service costs, and keep it's value much more.
Too early to say that the MG4 does not have a heatpump as other reports say the new updated MG4 now has a standard heatpump on all trim levels
Ooh! Interesting! I'll ask the dealer... that would definitely be a big plus
I’m waiting on my contract for an mg4 to come through. Don’t forget to factor in $800-1k for proper tyres if buying the byd. Continentals vs ling longs. I know which I prefer.
Which MG4? Excite 51 or Essence?
@@stormjuice lfp model of course :)
Heated seats is a must for any ev, this has a huge impact on winter rang as you don't need to use the main heater as much, do not buy any car without it, you will regret it for as long as you own the car,
Not in Australia, it's not (unless you're in Tasmania or Melbourne I guess... even then, not essential).
@@stormjuice would you like to take a guess of how many people live in Tasmania and Melbourne? It's absolutely necessary in a southern states, and is such a cheap accessory to actually manufacture, there's no excuse
Fair enough Dave.... definitely needed in the colder parts of Aus. I'm in Perth. My Leaf has heated seats, and last winter I just felt like I'd peed myself :)
The MG4 has a much better warranty than the BYD. Plus MG has a proven track record with regards to customer support.
Yep. Exactly what I mentioned in the video. The EV-Direct (BYD Australia) warranty was/is a debacle.
@@stormjuice LOL I made my comments before I got to your comments in the video.
Nice in-depth comparison. how about the towing capability?
Thanks Phiiz3r (I think you jabbed me a couple of times :) ).
Seems like 500kg:
electrictowcars.co.uk/mg-mg4/
@stormjuice Cheers how about the Dolphin?
Nothing found yet. Too early I think.
I did find this site, which is interesting.... this page lists a lot of EV towing capacities:
www.myevreview.com/comparison-chart/towing-capacity
MY future CT is at the top, of course :)
Dolphin looks very cute with lots of personality😅
Also heat pump
Most important safety on battery when accident on battery compartment, short circuit
LFP battery outshine
Or sodium battery
Heat pump is definitely a great feature... maybe this is how it is so much more efficient?
Both have LFP.
@@stormjuice I agree of it was the base model I will choose MG4 over BYD
For longer range LFP battery is the safest for tgose who priorities is heavy accident short circuit battery especially side impact
11.3KWh versus 17KWh, that's a hughe difference. Less power so, will eat less tyres....I go for the Dolphin.
Sorry, I forget that difference.... are you talking max home charging speeds? Most people only need a 15A socket anyway, so the max home charging diff won't really make much diff.
I want pink - pink for me - pink, pink, pink - but I also want aggressive looks - oh the quandary....
A man (?) with my soh.... love it! Get the MG4 and dip it HOT PINK. Check out my video on the PPF/Dipping and you'll see some good pink cars (mostly Jeeps, weirdly enough.... what's up with that?).
It's not rear wheel > front
For slow or very normal passengers cars, personally front wheel launch from traffic to 60km/hr or 80km/hr front wheel drive win!
Quickest straight launch for normal passenger cars
Rather look at
The balance is - the best MG4 50/50 that gives great handling
But battery wise long range BYD still is king with safest battery available LFP😅
Yes, although MG4 has almost all great driving features, safety is priority #1,
BYD premium
FWD wins in a drag race? I'd like to hear from others who have more knowledge than me on this.
RWD is definitely better to drive (more responsive).
Battery-wise, the base MG4 is better (bigger, and still LFP... I think it's from CATL, but I need to confirm).
Agree safety is important, but what makes the base MG4 less safe than the base Dolphin? MG4 doesn't have blind spot monitoring... anything else?
I agree that (from what I've seen so far, in Atto 3 and MG ZS EV), BYD have better quality interior and software.
@@stormjuice We are talking about same vehicle power capacity (normal passenger car) in sequence ranking which type drive get off, launch quickest:
1. AWD
2. FWD
3. RWD
RWD is the slowest to get off launch from dead start
FWD is quicker
(FYI I drive RWD)
Also in straight lane & normal traffic, & equivalent powered vehicle FWD will be quicker simply because it will launch faster
@@stormjuice MG4 base model is better in most aspect than BYD dolphin base model due to almost all points MG4 is superior
But "longer range" which I said BYD premium is better for some who is priority #1 is safety in battery in accident LFP
There's no other option other then BYD long range premium with a safer battery at present in Aus
The other safe battery is sodium but that is not here in Aus yet
@@stormjuice Quality wise I see some videos also mentioned BYD better but IMHO both are just good enough for us average person
LFP battery BYD or CATL is as good, its the chemistry that's important in safety
Because trap in car & burn alive is real issue
Even if not trap, one may be too dizzy to react in time to get out, the instant battery short circuit, bursting in flame (battery is extremely high in energy) for ternary is a reality
While LFP will give time to smoke for a while may or may not burst in flame and can be water hose down temperature like normal heat & fire
Fwd will not be better than RWD in the wet. Simple physics and plenty of experience will show that the rearwards weight transfer on takeoff will have a FWD car wheelspinning as weight comes off the front wheels even with moderate power application. Since you say better to the speeds indicated how could you measure throttle input unless at max value or some determined value was somehow set in the experiment.
Spot-on with the warranty - EVDirect lost a lot of customers due to their absurd, limited warranty when they released the Atto 3.
Much better the MG with a pretty straightforward 7/7 warranty; plus the service network for BYD is a shambles, and the service frequency/cost is ridiculous.
So, I'd forgo the bells & whistles on the Dolphin and take the MG.
As an Atto 3 owner, i couldn't agree more. Wouldn't go near BYD ever again.
That's definitely a big negative on the BYD for me.... shame though, as they are great quality (better quality than MG imho). Though.... for me the MG wins the budget category here (even with the warranty thing), as I'd rather enjoy the drive and miss the fruit than have the fruit and hate the drive.
BUT.... looks like (warranty aside), I can have the drive and the fruit for $9k extra with the MG4 Essence, or $6k extra for the Dolphin Premium (although the MG4 still wins on being RWD, but the Dolphin in this case would be better value for money... $3k cheaper if you can handle FWD and shitty warranty).
Have to agree about the one pedal driving. Don't understand why an ev would be made without it.
Once you've gone one pedal, you can't go back (well, you can, but it's nowhere near as good).
And now I find out the MG doesn't have one-pedal driving.
ruclips.net/video/hkMU54QlB6Q/видео.html&ab_channel=SHETALKSCARS
@@stormjuice People keep watching UK MG4 SE 2022 model reviews. I am sure the 2023 MG4 Excite 51 for aus & NZ comes with one pedal driving.
The premium spec 🐬 would be a better option for 6k extra would get you a stronger motor and battery LFP of course
60 kwh battery 150kw motor
17 inch wheels with premium tyres - no batman
Two tone paint
Agreed with base 51 mg4 up on base dolphin 🐬
As I was brain-dumping in the video, it's all down to personal preferences.... the base MG4 is a cheaper build (doesn't have a lot of the base features of the Dolphin), but the Dolphin loses on battery/range/power (that's where BYD saved their money). So do you go for:
- Range over Tings?
- Speed over comfort?
- Aggressive looks over gentle?
- Orange over Pink?
- Warranty over Quality?
I believe most people want the extended orvlong range version not the shorter range
Therefore BYD long range, premium with LFP much much safer battery
Priority #1 wins for some who wants safety and security as #1
Agree on longer range, and when you go up to the next Dolphin in the range (with the 60kWh battery), it's a better deal as it's $3k cheaper than the equivalent MG4 Essence ($68k). Only downside is FWD and crappy warranty.
@@stormjuice I view the battery Not mainly in capacity size, but #1 priority is absolute safety
For some this has to be LFP chemistry therefore for such person there's no other option but safety to property, car & family lifes.
The other alternative is Sodium battery
I personally view FWD RWD not really a big issue in normal passenger car
For handling the 50/50 weight distribution is what matter a lot and planted turn in manuavering
I drive RWD, manual, hand brakes, does those manual tricks, personally I think 50/50 balanced is priority over RWD or FWD. If it was a race car one certainly may want RWD or even AWD (gives wuickest launch) but a passenger car.
If BYD did design properly the car can easily be 50/50 for majority of the EVs they produce (shifting the lowest battery component backward or forward) instead of just for looks like MG have. And RWD
Sso for me Battery EV most critical priorities are ranked
1. Battery chemistry
2 battery capacity
3 rest of features
If MG4 long range has same LFP or sodium battery then IMHO MG4 is the choice without much doubt 😊
@@stormjuice I just had a quick glance at warranty
I don't think BYD warranty has anything wrong here
It's already said BYD lower car warranty but increased battery year warranty
MG4 is 7yrs car 7yrs battery
BYD is 6yrs car 8 yrs battery
I don't follow others opinion, nor their mindset
I don't see either manufacturer is better or worse
For normal passenger car 3 yrs warranty is usually enough to prove if it had defects or even better 4yrs
So both manufacturer have given quit good warranty
One may complain about the servicing schedule or fees
Unless it's too much a difference few hundreds more won't change one who wants to buy one's EV
Oh, in Australia there's a HUGE difference in warranty..... BYD have so many different timeframes on all sorts of the car, it's crazy (12 or 18 months iirc on the CHARGER... insane). Plus they charge a lot more for their 'services'.
For long range You can choose Atto3. Or seagull (400 + KM). Atto3 is popular in China. Seagull is a new samll car.
Dolphin efficiency math does not check out...
Yeah, I was wondering the same, but they are the figures from my research, so I have to report what is claimed, until we get some real world testing done in AU/NZ/UK (as the Dolphin in western markets is different from the Chinese one, which is smaller..... maybe those figures are for the Chinese one?). Appreciate your comment, as it's good to point these possible lies out (e.g. WLTP is a lie, so I try and give a real world mix (highway and town)).
@Mike-vq1fm 500+ kg, please apply critical thinking, ask, is it really the case? or is the difference only 150 kg?
@@stormjuice from your video: 51/3.05 = 17.
45/2.7 = 17.
@Mike-vq1fm how do you determine efficiency of dolphin and mg4? Could you please show your calculation for each or at least include a numeric number for each referencing the source? I have put my numbers in the post above and underlying data have been taken from the video.
No rear wiper, centre rear headrest, grab handles, sat nav & heated seats / steering wheel on the UK base SE models are the reasons I would pass on the MG4. How does sunny Australia get a rear wiper on an MG4 & rainy UK does not? Also, without a sunroof the MG4 is very dark inside - no rear passenger lights either. Yes it has a low-ish starting price but to get most of the missing features you have to move up to the Trophy model which only has the LR battery (in UK) which pushes the price up to well over £33k. The Dolphin has not yet been fully released in the UK but I think it will launch this year with the two top Comfort & Design models which get the larger 60kW LFP battery/204bhp motor combo. The cheaper lower spec Active & Boost models get the 45kW battery & launch after the two top specs. Active gets 95bhp motor & the Boost gets 175bhp motor & Multi-Link rear suspension. UK prices are reported to be from £25.8k up to £32.5k - don't hold me to that because reported & actual release cars prices can differ quite a bit. Personally I think the Dolphin has the better interior.
I think you're right. MG=Range, driving dynamics & external design vs Dolphin=Spec.
Totally agree... it's weird we get bugger-all rain compared to the UK (I lived there for 14 years all up), and yet we get the wiper.... maybe they listened to the feedback and the next models for the UK will also get it.
Check out the Aus specs of the different Dolphins here:
thedriven.io/2023/06/23/day-the-dial-changes-byd-adds-surprise-hot-hatch-option-to-australias-lowest-cost-ev/
At the base models, the MG4 wins as Drive is more important than Fruit.
When you compare the MG4 Essence (Trophy) to the Dolphin Premium, the Dolphin wins as it is $3k cheaper (at $45k) than the Essence ($48k), and with 60kWh battery and 150kW motor. Only downsides of the Dolphin are being FWD and warranty nowhere near as good as the MG4.
@@stormjuice I will buy our 1st EV (for my wife) in a few months time & it will be neither of these two. We will probably go for a 2-3 year old low mileage 64kW Kona Ultimate with all the toys. Far better value than a new car. UK prices are now down to £22k & depending on age it will still have a 2-3 year warranty. Sadly we will have to sell our 2019 1.5 Skoda Karoq Edition 4 x 4 (great car) to fund the purchase. However, our EV will only ever be charged at home so running costs should be much lower. However, I am keeping my ICE "Q car". A Skoda Superb L&K Estate (Wagon) 2.0TSi 4x4 with 360bhp (269kW). We will use this for longer trips & holidays to avoid the appalling public charging network in the UK. I'm not quite ready to give up the sound of a real engine just yet 😉
Fair enough. The Kona is a great car. Extremely efficient too.
It is the 2023 not 2022 model, the base model now has grab handles, centre head rest, rear wiper, and reversing camera. They have listened to grips and fixed them. Still no rear passenger lighting but Aliexpress can fixed that, also wireless charging, and wireless Android Auto.
@@colingoode3702 Get my MG4 Excite next week, at current NZD to pound exchange rate incl ORC new with 8 years warranty cost 19,300 pounds.
Both cars too costly.
How? Please explain your reasoning.
If you mean too costly, as it's cheaper to buy a Corolla or something... they actually aren't a lot more, and you save thousands per year (amount depends on km travelled) on fuel, and more over time on maintenance and parts.
@@stormjuice It all depends on what you are after of course, eg. A hyundai Kona under $25k so you can save $15k compared to the cheapest EV. So I could buy a Kona and drive it including maintenance for 5-7 years for the same cost as the purchase price of the cheapest EV. Or even more savings if I buy an MG3. And all I want is a daily driver. So in this scenario the Cheapest EVs are still way over priced compared to the cheapest ICE vehicles.
Depends what your yearly mileage is..... you need to factor in fuel, service, maintenance/repair costs.... as well as the massive depreciation as ICE vehicles become much less desirable as EV's reach price parity.