Cheap VS Expensive Super 8 Cameras | Can You Tell the Difference? | Kodak Vision 3 500T | Filmboy24
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- Опубликовано: 6 дек 2022
- I've been wanting to test the image quality differences between cheap and expensive super 8 cameras for a long time. Now's the time! Can you tell which camera shot which scene?
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I think rather than posting the correct order at the beginning of my next video (Found Film), I'm going to do a quick follow-up video and post it this Friday.
Good idea.
This was really interesting. I'm quite familiar with analog film (110 all the way through 4x5). I only really want one movie camera to shoot a couple reels per year. I'd really like to see a comparison of an expensive super 8 vs. a cheap 16mm (keystone A9/12/15). At the moment, I'm leaning toward an A15 and adapting a Samyang 14mm F2.8 to it. That may be overkill though - perhaps the native glass is enough to max the resolution on 16mm? Don't know. Your channel is the best I've found for this sort of thing:) Thanks!!!
@@jw48335 Thank you, Jeremy! That's a really, really good idea! I just penned it down. Not sure I can do those specific cameras but I have a couple in mind. Thanks again!!
@@Filmboy24 The film prices aren't all that different - 16mm is $4 more for just film from FPP, or 16mm is $9 more for their film+scan packages. I'm thinking "well, 16mm sure does look shiny at near the same price" :)
@@jw48335 Absolutely right! The gap sure has closed over the years, and mmmmm, 16mm is definitely a frontrunner in this beauty contest!!
Here's my guess: Camera #1- Yashica Electro 8, Camera #2- Bell & Howell 30XL, #3 Minolta XL401, and #4 Canon 51 XL. I'm pretty sure I'm wrong but my favorite was Camera #2. I loved how the footage looked on that. Groovy.
Great video and reviews. Thanks for making this!
My pleasure, thank you for watching!!
Great video! And lovely scene with the pumpkin cutting. I have no idea about what camera shot what film sequense, but I liked the close-ups from #2 and #3. Keep it up! :)
Thank you, Bernt!!
Guessing: film on
Film one: Yashika. Film two: Bell and Howel. Film Three: Canon. Fourth film: is the Minolta. Great video Mike as always! Great idea to do a comparison!
Hey, Mike! Another great installment… thx!
So, really tough to say… Before you mentioned the caveat that each camera will perform differently, I was thinking the same thing. The same model could produce vastly different results based on year produced, how it was stored (humidity, temperature), how much the camera has been used, etc.
I’ve had some great results with certain Canon cameras, and poor results with others. Minolta is usually a solid performer when it comes to a stable image and lens quality. And I’ve had absolutely fantastic results with some Yashicas (among some of the best images I’ve ever captured on super 8), and other that have been lackluster. So………
1. Bell & Howell T30 XL
2. Yashica ELECTRO 8
3. Canon 514 XL
4. Minolta XL 401
I’m probably quite wrong, but I’m going to stick with that. Lol
That pumpkin in the dark was well-exposed, so I’m guessing it was one of the two cameras with the fastest lens (f1.2 = Minolta or the B&H).
Oh - you were comparing the Minolta XL 401 to the 601. Besides the zoom being a little more significant on the 601, it has slower glass (f1.7 on the 601 compared to f1.2 on the 401… the 401 is definitely more desirable!)
Anyway, I’ll be looking forward to knowing how wrong I am! Haha.
Thanks, Drew!! Thanks also for the heads up on the 601 vs 401, I had no idea about the lens speed difference. Makes sense though now that you said it, typically longer lenses are a bit slower.
VERY HELPFUL THANKS
Thanks, Andrew!!
oh yeah i bought a couple of copies of silver grain Classics in 2018 2019
Kind of crazy how much of a difference a camera can have on the image. I always thought that the lens and film stock define the image, but the difference in the grain and colors between the first camera and the rest has given me a new view on that.
My guess is the first camera is the Yashica, number two the Canon, the third camera the Bell and Howell and the fourth one the Minolta.
Huge difference, that's for sure! Though, I do think it also has a lot to do with how well each particular camera operates as well. My Minolta XL401 is hit & miss, so sometimes it give pretty poor images.
Here's the correct order: 1-Minolta XL401, 2-Canon 514XL, 3-Yashica Electro-8, 4-Bell & Howell T30XL.
Yeah, I guess the auto-exposure of each camera has to be taken into account. Looks like I underestimated the Yashica, so for the price, not too bad.
In my opinion, I liked image number two the best, then the 4th, 3rd and then the number one. But the fourth is a bit hard to tell from the others because we didn’t get the table shot…
Looking fantastic! Great shots how the pumpkins are being carved out and the final result in the dark! Always nice watching Piper helping out mom. Each shot of her childhood is such a treasure. Will watch again on my decent PC monitor to check the image quality. Can you do some image stabilization in post? I'm sure that would look awesome. Thanks for sharing! PS: my humble suggestion: don't give away these treasures. One day you might want to scan the original with a top notch 4K scanner.
Thanks, Christian!!
Couldn't agree more, I will keep these films for as long as they (or I) physically last. I would love to have every one of them in glorious 4K. I do have the new MovieStuff 4K scanner on order and it should be here sometime in January. Hopefully that helps :) I could have stabilized this roll but decided against it for this particular video. No real reason, just decided to forgo this time around. I will be re-archiving my entire catalog next year hopefully.
@@Filmboy24 awesome! Perhaps some of the old brittle emulsion will get loose, but your own footage IMHO is definitely worth a hi res scan.
Oh my god I love your humor 3:00 I’m dead
😂😂I'm such a dork!
Great video!
Thank you!!
woah, 500T looks like a snow storm on Super 8 on the first camera.
I take it you added film 'damage' as an effect?
Hmm this is a tough one I would say 1.bell and howell 2. yashica 3.minolta 4.canon! Great one bud!
Thanks, Manny!!
would you recommend using a kodak brownie as a first super 8?
I’d probably opt for a Chinon, Sankyo or Bell & Howell for a first Super 8 camera.
How do you get white dust and hair spots on reversal film?
No idea, this is negative film.
@@Filmboy24 I forgot digital scanners can scan negatives. You even said that.
good job, got more depth than my full frame Nikon, is it difficult to process your own?
Thanks, Mark!! Loading the cine film processing tanks are the hardest part, but once you learn, it's like riding a bike 😀
My guess is: (1) Yashica, (2) B&H T30XL, (3) Canon 514XL, (4) Minolta XL401
Film #1 Yashika
Film #2 Bell and Howell
Film #3 Minolta
Film #4 Canon
Hello there!
Did I just hear you saying that you've got your Super-8 cartridge from Kodak? I mean by the actual Kodak? How can I do the same mystic experience?
Thanks, from Quebec City (a great place to film!)
Greetings, Bruno!
Yes, you heard correctly, I've ordered a few times directly from the big K. You can call customer service from the US & Canada and order right over the talk box :)
www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/order-film/
Not sure which is which, but my initial preference is: 2, 3, 4, 1.
Having a guess: 1 yashica, 2 canon, 3 minolta, 4 bell&howell... 🤷
Please tell us if there's any compact, light, travel friendly Super8 camera that has 180 shutter angle?
Seems like all of the compact light Super8's are only XL versions [which blur too much when you pan the camera with it's 220 shutter angle).
The 814 gets very heavy to carry it only to have 180 shutter angle...
That's a tough ask, unfortunately. I love my Zenit Quarz 1x8s-2. It's a very reliable, wind up camera with manual exposure and a 180° shutter. The handle is removable, so it's pretty easy to transport.
@@Filmboy24 She has a lovely sound! Pretty unique recommendation for a soviet Super8 camera..but, I need auto exposure. Can't manually expose for run & gun. Can't believe a 180 degree shutter is more unique to find rather than XL. It's the XL that should've been that non standard, more rare type of camera foe low light shooting. But, instead it's the 180 that's rare to find.
For now, gotta carry my heavy 814 autozoom electronic
@@eladbari Totally understand. Just FYI, the Zenit does also have auto exposure. It takes 2 1.35V button cells and also has exposure compensation, allowing you to over/underexpose (while in auto exposure), in increments by up to 2 stops.
Yes, no diference, thanks. 1-2-3-4 like on a table. What your favorite?
My favorite in this little group of 4 cameras in the Canon 514XL, however, surprisingly, my Bell & Howell T30XL did insanely well.
I just bought a Canon 1014 xl-s in mint condition for 12 euro at a local thrift store :P
WOW! That's an absolute Steal!! Congrats!
1. Bell and Howell
2. Yashica
3. Canon
4. Minolta
Shooting through the late 50's to 80's, I never was a Bell and Howell fan. I absolutely hated their projectors. My personal favorite was Canon and still is in digital. This was a tough one, Mike. So many variables. To me, film 4 was the best. But was it Canon or Minolta? I never used a Minolta but due to the popularity today I'll go with it for the best (as I see it via my awful internet service). You're a sneaky guy, Mike!
🤣 This has been one of my favorite videos so far, Dale. I know it's not really fair and every camera will perform a little different but it's cool to see what everyone thinks shot what. All will be revealed tomorrow!!
Nicely done Miguel 🤔🤔🤔🤔 1. 3. 2. 4. Not an expert at all. They all looked good.
Thanks Pop!!!
Camera 1: Yaschica
Camera 2: Canon
Camera 3: Belle and Howell
Camera 4: Minolta
😊🤞
Yashica was #1, Canon #2, Bell & Howell #3, and Minolta #4.
Film #4 Canon
Film #3 Yashika
Film #2 Minnota
Film #1 Bell and Howel
1-Bell & Howell
2-Canon
3-Minolta
4-Yashica
Don’t think you’re old enough to remember Laugh-in, but “very interesting” 😊 I’m gonna guess #1 Yashica, #2 Bell & Howell, #3 Canon, #4 Minolta. Curious, were all the cameras capable of manual exposure? I’m thinking maybe not all of them would be designed for anything over 160-200 ISO film.
A tiny bit before my time 😃but I do know the show. The only one of the 4 capable of true manual exposure is the Minolta.
@@Filmboy24 Hey Mike where do I find your email address on here? Think I heard you mention where to find it on an earlier post, but I can’t locate it. Thanks.
@@gtrplayer1000 Hey Dave, it's in my "About" page. But it's pretty simple, filmboy24@gmail.com 😀
I'm gonna guess that the first scene was the yashica. It looks seriously underexposed. Then again any of them could have a light sensor which has drifted way out of calibration by now.
Im calling camera #3 as the 514, as it seem to have the widest zoom range and shallowest DoF.
Camera #4 has pretty poor resolution at the corners. Lets call that the B&H.
Leaves the Minolta as Camera #2.
I think it would be good to include the link to the next video....
I had no idea until you just mentioned it that I forgot to do that 😄 Thank you!!! I just added it as the pop-up video at the end and also added a link in the description. Thank you again!!
Thanks! I found it in the end, but the link would be good for others. It was such a surprise! Great charisma on the video by the way 😊 I’m looking for a cheapish but good super 8 I can use for weddings. But it’s a minefield. Any tips on what to look for and how to check as far as possible I’m not getting a dud? I shoot video and photo, I offer film photography and wanted to be able to add on Super 8 (or 16?) for customers :-)😊
@@artoflifefilmsuk Thank you!! That's a great question and it's also a tough one :)
I would highly recommend that if you're using Super 8 as an "add-in" for wedding work, that you have a primary and a backup camera. These old cameras can be so finicky, sometimes working great then suddenly stop. If it were me, I'd pick up a good working Canon 514XL (not 514XL-S) or Minolta XL401 as my primary camera. I would then grab a Zenit Quarz 1x8S-2 wind up camera as a backup. The Zenit cameras are pretty awesome, with auto or manual exposure, multiple filming speeds, super reliable and usually under $100.
It can be very difficult to know for sure if any camera functions properly when buying online. I would always ask if, when batteries are inserted and trigger pulled, does the spindle spin inside the film compartment. That's at least half the battle and the most important.
Best of luck!!
Thanks! I was thinking about the Canon, nearly bid on the wrong one and had decided to pause a bit. Love the idea of the zenit, totally agree on having a back up :-) thanks again!
@@Filmboy24 These cameras look amazing but almost impossible to find in the UK. The Zenit only seems to be on sale from the Ukraine at the moment. I was wondering if something like the Sankyo Super LXL 255 Macro could work, at least as a back-up option? I was actually thinking of buying my 'back-up' first, to play with and then if I like it and I get enough bookings then I could switch up to a swankier one. In the UK I need something that could be used indoors as well as outdoors and sometimes I might need something that works in not great light, so would be using 500T film. Do you have any thoughts?
Might want to add some compression to you audio. Your voice virtually dropped out on some words. I’m listening loudly on a car stereo. I should be able to hear you clearly all the time.
Its cool to do this. My issue is, I want the same shots...all metered with external meters...tripod shots only...24fps in 1080 viewed on a TV! I need to stop watching stuff on my phone. I should should a roll on my mekel to compare.
I know nothing about these cameras. New area to me. But:
Cam 2: Most expensive
Cam 3/4: Second to third most
Cam 1: Cheapest
tengo una Bell and Howell T10XL
I'd like to get one, been keeping an eye out.
@@Filmboy24 AND I HOPE TO GET A FILM TO USE WITH HER
Have I just spent three minutes with just listening to "I will compare a high end super 8 with a lower end super 8 camera"? 🤔
Camera 1 great glowing highlights might be haze, Yashica? Camera 2 not holding highlight details green color cast but sharp enough, Bell Howell? Camera 3 optics are normal nothing nothing special acts like consumer optics, Canon? Camera 4 has the most modern lens look with great sharpness and exposure control, Minolta?
Everyone is wrong. He actually shot all the footage with an iPhone while using a Super 8 Vintage app, which simulates various Super 8 film looks, thus tricking us into thinking that he used those four old S8 cameras. So Mike, what do I win? 😜
🤣🤣 You’re on to me!!
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camera no4 is canon
6:15
You think you got lucky?
I picked one up today for only €40
Mint condition 🥳
Wow! What a sweet deal! Congrats!
Hmmm tough one
I’m guessing
1 Canon
2 Bell and Howell
3 Minolta
4 Yaschica
But I feel 3 and 4 could be flipped 🤣
I made a similar video
I just watched it, nice job! Those Canons are awesome Super 8 cameras! Keep shooting film!
@@Filmboy24 the canon one is very bulky. I'm going on a trip next month and thinking of carrying the nizo camera. what you think?
@@azaarbaain I love Nizo cameras, I have 2 of them but, sadly both have quit working. I don't trust Nizo cameras as they're so prone to having issues now and can be quite complicated to repair. I will always take a Canon over Nizo these days.