What We Know on French Mother Sauces is WRONG (Thesis Level Realization)

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  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
  • Mother Sauces Ep12 : Hollandaise is a fraud and Mayo is not who you think it is. SquareSpace : 10% off your 1st order using : www.squarespace...
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Комментарии • 2 тыс.

  • @HardWorkingMitochondria
    @HardWorkingMitochondria 3 года назад +3354

    When your training arc is so good that you just recreate the definition

    • @haydendasilva487
      @haydendasilva487 3 года назад +109

      Alex French guy cooking is now my favorite anime.

    • @iadtag1853
      @iadtag1853 3 года назад +8

      IKR! LOL

    • @rizlanghazali985
      @rizlanghazali985 3 года назад +31

      It is the Engineer's training that leads to all this...

    • @grant1753
      @grant1753 3 года назад +1

      Die wiki

    • @iComplainer
      @iComplainer 3 года назад +6

      Space bar, question mark.
      Lol wut

  • @miriam4235
    @miriam4235 3 года назад +1333

    Gotta love librarians. They always know how to set you on the right track.

    • @gus473
      @gus473 3 года назад +24

      🦉Truly essential....! 👍🏼

    • @squelchedotter
      @squelchedotter 3 года назад +44

      Librarians rock and are so under appreciated.

    • @Luick14
      @Luick14 3 года назад +33

      It feels like it has been written as a movie scenario like the hero is lost and just a simple thought of the supporting actor the librarian gives that little light in his head to the grand finish

    • @aaarrriic
      @aaarrriic 3 года назад +3

      @@Luick14 omg so tru, I can’t stop picturing that in my head now lol

    • @Melissa-cl2rf
      @Melissa-cl2rf 3 года назад +4

      Seriously - look up the Connecticut Four and read "This Library Book Is Overdue!" by Susan Orlean if you need to find more reasons to love them.

  • @ikatekeda6267
    @ikatekeda6267 3 года назад +3480

    This is a Thesis level realization. I hope he knows this. He could literally write a paper on this and submit it.

    • @riddlydiddlyimawantedmanin4442
      @riddlydiddlyimawantedmanin4442 3 года назад +95

      Why bother to write a paper and submit it when he has already had his cake and eaten it ;)

    • @ikatekeda6267
      @ikatekeda6267 3 года назад +257

      @@riddlydiddlyimawantedmanin4442 Good question. Say he did it? I would do it just to officially change the definition. Wikipedia is a public encyclopedia. It's not truly classified as a true source.
      Also, it would be cool.

    • @Klefth
      @Klefth 3 года назад +70

      He totally should.

    • @Lossanaght
      @Lossanaght 3 года назад +97

      It will be fun to see his videos in the citation section of published papers XD

    • @frempy4426
      @frempy4426 3 года назад +191

      Next video: Alex gets a PhD.

  • @AHG1347
    @AHG1347 3 года назад +527

    So an Englishman rewrote French culinary history. This atrocity is another sign of the storied rivalry between England and France.
    It seems like Alex has full access to any place in France. He is like the country's unofficial culinary and cultural ambassador.
    Salute to you Alex for never settling.

    • @janedoe6147
      @janedoe6147 3 года назад +6

      Talk of atrocities and rivalries is a bit much. Heinemann was indeed an Englishman, with a German father and Italian wife.

    • @AHG1347
      @AHG1347 3 года назад +8

      @@janedoe6147 my apologies as it was meant to be tongue in cheek.

    • @janedoe6147
      @janedoe6147 3 года назад +5

      @@AHG1347 No worries, misinterpreted on my part. Too much hate in the world these days! Hope you're well.

    • @seguinpierre739
      @seguinpierre739 3 года назад

      He is a Frenchman, he only speak in English to catch more people.

    • @benediktlang7415
      @benediktlang7415 3 года назад +7

      @@seguinpierre739 Do you realize they are not talking about Alex but about Heinemann who translated the book of Escoffier?

  • @bensouchet
    @bensouchet 3 года назад +311

    Hippo43 (the Wikipedia user who deleted a major part of the article) is currently banned for Wikipedia, He cannot re-edit the page, a small victory!

    • @adrians3267
      @adrians3267 3 года назад +40

      All my homies hate hippo43

    • @gozerthegozarian9500
      @gozerthegozarian9500 3 года назад +17

      Hippo43 is cancelled!

    • @TheCatWitch63
      @TheCatWitch63 3 года назад +12

      Why did they do it? Why this person deleted part of the article, and was Alex able to restore it?

    • @snifey7694
      @snifey7694 2 года назад +1

      @@TheCatWitch63 check yourself idk

    • @corinnak.4875
      @corinnak.4875 2 года назад +11

      Hippo 43 is still out there, editing the article (last time in January 2022)

  • @TheEjEGUN
    @TheEjEGUN 3 года назад +72

    Going into the sublevels of the library was very cool! Really interesting inside look.

  • @varvaragustokashina4304
    @varvaragustokashina4304 3 года назад +170

    Thanks to you, we shared a historic moment in culinary history.

    • @zicopaul9622
      @zicopaul9622 3 года назад +3

      Didn't even consider that. This is so true!

  • @ljubomirjakimovski3899
    @ljubomirjakimovski3899 3 года назад

    Alex, pre 100k subs club here, this is by far the best series you've made. Thank you. Honestly, this has better value than any TV series I've watched recently. Thank you for standing up for Mayonnaise! You've inspired me not to settle when it comes to sauce and life aswell. Watching you I learn that there is but only one approach - avec l'amour! Your spark is heavily felt you wonderful french bastard. Merci. Merci beaucoup!

  • @GabeWeymouth
    @GabeWeymouth 3 года назад +45

    "I still have a little surprise in my drawers." Phrasing!

    • @dgh25
      @dgh25 3 года назад +3

      🤣

    • @FiXato
      @FiXato 3 года назад +2

      glad to see I'm not the only one whose mind went there. ;)

  • @zrobeast
    @zrobeast 3 года назад +56

    I wonder how a lot of classically trained French chefs who always thought Hollandaise as a mother sauce will feel when this video goes viral.

  • @PaulTMaack0
    @PaulTMaack0 3 года назад +268

    It's interesting that a bunch of guys on Wikipedia are like "Nah, bruh. Just because you went to the original source, and compared it to a translation and found the difference with your own eyes having held the source material in your literal physical hands doesn't mean you're right. We know better because everyone else says so. So there. We're right, and you're wrong."
    If you've never checked out the revision history, or the topic discussion on the revision history NOW would be a good time to go look at it. The level of douchery that Hippo guy wields is profound.

    • @HilbertXVI
      @HilbertXVI 3 года назад +8

      Yeah it is absolutely stupid lmao

    • @HenryLeslieGraham
      @HenryLeslieGraham 3 года назад +24

      its the same all over wikipedia. the point most moderators make is that... if a source - mainstream - reports it, then it can be used in the article... regardless of whether it is true or not.

    • @faronomus1589
      @faronomus1589 3 года назад +7

      @@HenryLeslieGraham yep
      I got blocked for trying to correct the day when etika/Desmond amofah die

    • @Pletzmutz
      @Pletzmutz 3 года назад +32

      There is, however, an actual point to his objection. Which is that the "truth" is not just what the original source says but also how it is interpreted in the real world. If the literature and most international chefs consider hollandaise a mother sauce, it has, in practice, become true. Nontheless, it should still be acknowledged that the original says something else.

    • @damshek
      @damshek 3 года назад +19

      Thing is, Wikipedia is less about determining what's the correct view, and more about reporting on what is the accepted view... Sure, that attitude can appear infuriating, but look- their idea is that if you allow original research, then anyone can go, "conduct original research" and rewrite any article with their non-peer reviewed, verified by nobody, claims. And while Alex has obviously been serious and meticulous, someone else could be very different. Like a flat earther rewriting a geology article, or someone claiming to have found the lost gospel of the Hebrews in an old book shop in Brazil or something. Wikipedia can't chase every new edit to check if it's true, so they stick to only allowing edits with secondary sources, where at least some prior review process has been done...
      So while Alex is almost certainly correct here, until his discovery is published somewhere or at the very least gets reported on by some culinary journal and gets commentary from a famous chef (which would make it "noteworthy" per their definitions), or something similar, they probably will not like it going in the article.

  • @vanessakitty8867
    @vanessakitty8867 3 года назад +4

    TY for giving us a first person view into your library. The information on the sauces has been incredible.

  • @ggd2192
    @ggd2192 3 года назад +151

    The 10 dislikes are the people who wrote the wikipedia sauce article

  • @dixonyamada6969
    @dixonyamada6969 3 года назад +9

    6:27 when he said "sauce tomate" it really sounded like "saus tomat" which is indonesian for ketchup

  • @MythologyAlex
    @MythologyAlex 3 года назад +11

    Beautiful to watch history get rewritten (or in this case, rectified) on RUclips

    • @jameshill2450
      @jameshill2450 3 года назад

      Unrewritten

    • @Helvianir
      @Helvianir 3 года назад

      It's already been removed by wikipedians because muh supposed original research.

  • @trisuryasaha5447
    @trisuryasaha5447 3 года назад

    Such an amazing video. Loved the journey of rediscovery . Your enthusiasm is truly commendable .

  • @TheNonameSenki
    @TheNonameSenki 3 года назад

    Please never stop being so passionate and thorough about cooking and culinary history. Also, your video shooting and editing techniques are outstanding. They even open the library just for you, wow. :) You are the man, Alex... you are the man! :) I can't wait your next big series.

  • @amal6419
    @amal6419 3 года назад +1

    Fucking hell this guy brings true suspense to a cooking vlog. The entire rest of youtube should watch and learn how to evolve content. Brilliant.

  • @rafaarnold1818
    @rafaarnold1818 3 года назад

    Toujours magnifique ta photographie ! 👍🏻💪🏼. Great series

  • @jonbedet
    @jonbedet 3 года назад

    When you posted you were going to research mayonaise I felt happy as it's used in so many sauces. Didn't expect this outcome. Very interesting! :☺

  • @Klefth
    @Klefth 3 года назад +11

    Mayonnaise is a gift to the world and deserves more respect.

    • @palomino73
      @palomino73 3 года назад +1

      Amen !

    • @adrians3267
      @adrians3267 3 года назад +2

      I dont like mayonnaise

    • @amafi_poe
      @amafi_poe 3 года назад +1

      Mayo is the worst sauce and second worst condiment. awful stuff, never got along with it.

    • @kaelwd
      @kaelwd 3 года назад +1

      Have you had real mayo? The cheap nasty supermarket stuff has more sugar than egg and tastes more like a syrup than a sauce.

    • @amafi_poe
      @amafi_poe 3 года назад

      @@kaelwd I went to culinary school and have been told I make good mayo in the past. But I legit start gagging when I have it. Horrible stuff.

  • @karles7795
    @karles7795 3 года назад

    Alex you are such a legend, so much work and dedication

  • @natanmilikowsky4797
    @natanmilikowsky4797 3 года назад +1

    Man, your original Wiki page is so much better than the current one. Why did they Botch is so badly??
    Loved the series! keep up the good work!

  • @lyynhrt
    @lyynhrt 3 года назад +4

    Nothing has made me more proud of Alex than this episode

  • @6GMc
    @6GMc 3 года назад

    Spot on work Alex! I suggest you read the first chapter of the Modernist Cuisine book which is focused on the History of cooking and the beginnings of haute cuisine. They even mention that the first who identify these clean "basic" sauces was La Varenne and Nicolas de Bonnefons.( around the year 1650-1654)

  • @koko0770
    @koko0770 3 года назад +13

    Well the article really got slaughtered by now... the whole point of the "wrong" mother sauce is missing in the current version

    • @lilguava70
      @lilguava70 3 года назад +9

      Wikipedia has a VERY bad habit of this. There are horror tales of celebrities being unable to even edit a page to correct their birthday because the Wiki mods would get upset and revert the change.

    • @listerrs3580
      @listerrs3580 3 года назад +3

      @@lilguava70 yep wiki mods are neckbeards that generally have no clue about the articles they write or remove things from

    • @faronomus1589
      @faronomus1589 3 года назад +2

      @@lilguava70 fr
      I tried to correct Desmond amofah/etika’s day of his death (which is June 23nd(source is alicepika’s(his ex) tweet which she was told the autopsy report) instead of June 19th)
      but in the end I got blocked by someone permanently from Wikipedia lmao

  • @daviddamjanoski6104
    @daviddamjanoski6104 3 года назад

    The music on this video is perfect
    Good job Alex!

  • @brenthumm7919
    @brenthumm7919 3 года назад

    I absolutely loved this series. It inspired me to start incorporating sauces into the meals I prepare and has significantly improved my cooking skills. Thank you for this.

  • @hector6005
    @hector6005 3 года назад +11

    Looks like someone edited it and put hollandaise as a mother sauce again

    • @Doctrina_Stabilitas
      @Doctrina_Stabilitas 3 года назад

      it got reverted because he violated the original research rule on wikipedia, he should have done it with more respect to the internal rules of wikipedia, it got reverted because he didn't respect it

    • @hector6005
      @hector6005 3 года назад +1

      @@Doctrina_Stabilitas What rule is that? It appears that he was pretty diligent about his research, so wikipedia puts the wrong information because he violated a rule on a technicality?

    • @hector6005
      @hector6005 3 года назад

      @@Doctrina_Stabilitas It looks like they don't like the interpretation of primary source research. I can understand because he is not published, but they should have some moderator look re-evaluate that because in academic disciplines that is how research is done, particularly in history departments at most universities.

    • @faronomus1589
      @faronomus1589 3 года назад

      @@hector6005 honestly
      When I tried to correct the day etika died(the source is alicepika’s tweet where got the info from the autopsy report)
      I got blocked by some guy

  • @PaulaBean
    @PaulaBean Год назад

    4:53 How music can add crazy suspense to an otherwise boring library shot!

  • @templarjay
    @templarjay 3 года назад

    i read your wiki page and it's great, very informative. merci beaucoup!

  • @Chevalier07
    @Chevalier07 3 года назад +6

    There's like a fighting at wikipedia someone keeps adding hollandaise back and another one removes it back and forth lmao

    • @rileyyoung4762
      @rileyyoung4762 3 года назад

      Check out the article now, its completely different from what he wrote, now theres six mother sauces with both hollandaise and mayonaise

    •  3 года назад +3

      @@rileyyoung4762 I think they did that to make everyone happy. The truth is, they shouldn't care about feelings, but about facts. If it was a typo, they should acknowledge it and move on.

    • @rileyyoung4762
      @rileyyoung4762 3 года назад +2

      @ Also starting the article as "in the english translation..." is ridiculous, it's "the french mother sauces", not "the english perspective on the french mother sauces"

  • @johnquilter3054
    @johnquilter3054 3 года назад

    This is just a brilliant video. Great great work brother

  • @LumberingJuggernaut
    @LumberingJuggernaut 3 года назад

    Thank you for making research look cool. And kudos to you for taking all the effort! That engineering degree came in handy somewhere. ;)

  • @marcthompson5633
    @marcthompson5633 3 года назад

    Came to this channel for the cooking and stayed for the videography.
    I love the way Alex makes videos!
    I can say with no hesitation that Alex is one of the best video makers on this site.

  • @GrizzAxxemann
    @GrizzAxxemann 3 года назад +3

    And this is why my teachers didn't trust the internet as a source, even all the way back in the 1990s.

    • @notsmoothie
      @notsmoothie 3 года назад

      What the fuck do you mean the Internet? Its literally in every book available in English language 🙄

    • @Helvianir
      @Helvianir 3 года назад +1

      @@notsmoothie except the english books are wrong this time.

    • @notsmoothie
      @notsmoothie 3 года назад

      @@Helvianir of course. Im not disputing that. But maybe I misunderstood 🤔

  • @swintsdeco6109
    @swintsdeco6109 3 года назад

    You're one of the top 3 youtubers on my list. I absolutely love wtahcing your content

  • @Squishibutz
    @Squishibutz 3 года назад

    this video should be used in schools. there is so much you can learn from this. way more then just cooking! keep up the great work alex. thanks for your inspiring videos

  • @allenmonroe4512
    @allenmonroe4512 3 года назад

    You make great stories on RUclips. This series could have been a Discover channel documentary or something. Very well produced

  • @Munden
    @Munden 3 года назад

    This is Next Level stuff, Alex!

  • @Tomcat12789
    @Tomcat12789 3 года назад

    There is a book in America printed 1961 "Mastering the Art of French Cooking" which does not outright state Mayonnaise is a mother sauce but places it after Hollandaise, in a section about learning the mother sauces.

  • @SpaceDave3000
    @SpaceDave3000 3 года назад

    The special section for Mayo didn't last long, but at least it retained a footnote.

  • @TulipsToKiss
    @TulipsToKiss 3 года назад

    this is seriously so impressive, what a great way to end the series. great job Alex!!!

  • @Mazlina-rp8be
    @Mazlina-rp8be 3 года назад +1

    Holy shit. What a revelation!!!!! You are awesome

  • @daddydeadbones
    @daddydeadbones 3 года назад +2

    Just want to say how much you inspire me to not only learn about cooking traditions but also to never stop loving the food we cook/eat. Your elegant passion displayed in these videos make me fall in love with food and the art of cooking every single time!

  • @gregtaylor6190
    @gregtaylor6190 3 года назад

    There are almost 300 edits to the wikipedia page after Alex's final entry Dec 8th. And now the page is locked down

  • @jushiyan3036
    @jushiyan3036 3 года назад

    Wow. This is so cool. I have always related to a nerdy person who is willing to go down a rabbit hole to fact check things. The quality of the video is just another level. You deserve a Netflix series all to yourself about the fun history of cooking.

  • @hrabia
    @hrabia Год назад +2

    It is amazing how you make these "cool and simple" videos which suddenly pivot into getting applause from 3 michelin starred restaurants and corrections in culinary history

  • @dennisdiaz4093
    @dennisdiaz4093 3 года назад

    if you guys didn't bother to take the time to read his edit, it has been changed. and actually clarifies a lot.

  • @jpdj2715
    @jpdj2715 Год назад +1

    Imagine, every weekend, you eat out in the upper classes with their significant chefs, writing blogs reporting on your experiences, and then receiving comments from your community that "we, in region Y, do details a, b and c differently than your peeps do in region X!"
    You are Pellegrino Artusi, Italian businessman and Italian cuisine documentalist (1820-1911). You published your weekly blogs for a long time, and then in 1891 publish a bundle of your blogs with recipes and community comments in a book: "La scienza in cucina e l'arte di mangiar bene" (translated, usually, as "Science in the Kitchen and the Art of Eating Well", but I feel a better translation would be "The Knowledge of Cuisine and the Art of Eating Well").
    That book was Escoffier's role model; it triggered him to write his book.
    The question, to me, is, did Escoffier copy anything from Artusi and was anything lost or altered in translation

  • @nathanitet
    @nathanitet 3 года назад

    I love that something as massive as a redefining of the five mother sauces, has a squarespace ad.

  • @robertcameronjones
    @robertcameronjones 3 года назад

    Don't settle. Words to live by. Well done. Very well done.

  • @benkr
    @benkr Год назад

    these spaces before the questionmark drive me nuts

  • @AuntieHauntieGames
    @AuntieHauntieGames Год назад

    I am shattered because I have now realized that a pasta dish I have been making since the mid 2000s and calling 'poor kitchen noodles' should actually be 'pasta mayonnaise' instead. I mean, I do not emulsify the eggs and olive oil and rice vinegar as much as one would for a mayonnaise, and I add it to the hot noodles in the pan to finish the sauce by stirring it in until it is a foamy cream, but.... like... how can I not call it 'pasta mayonnaise' after these revelations?

  • @applegal3058
    @applegal3058 3 года назад

    Love this...well researched and passionate!

  • @playonce4186
    @playonce4186 3 года назад +2

    Alex is gonna rewrite the entire gastronomy history!

  • @xasanth6318
    @xasanth6318 3 года назад

    no worries Alex - there are enough who will edit the article again :P

  • @andyiliff7793
    @andyiliff7793 3 года назад

    Praise be to mayonnaise! Setting history straight. Great series. Thanks, Alex! I look forward to what you have in store for us next👍

  • @FortuneFlavours
    @FortuneFlavours 3 года назад

    Alex you are a cool dude!!! Loved this episode you obsessive wonderful man

  • @rudylionel3046
    @rudylionel3046 3 года назад

    Shout out ! Inspiré car inspirant. Thanks man.

  • @tontonjeannot6089
    @tontonjeannot6089 Год назад

    For library nerds the François-Mitterrand National Library will haunt your dreams. It's gorgeous.

  • @SquidandCatAdventures
    @SquidandCatAdventures 3 года назад

    I loved the secret book gondola deep in the belly of the library. Also, did anyone else go and pull out their own copy of Larousse while Alex was looking at the original? (sadly, mine is only the New American edition and doesn't even use the phrase "mother sauce" for some reason).

  • @joshbooth9772
    @joshbooth9772 3 года назад

    Thrilling! I love this series so much I have a huge pot of beef stock simmering away on my cooktop. Thank you Alex, Thank you.

  • @herebarian
    @herebarian 3 года назад

    I went to culinary school in India 16 years ago. We were always told there are 6 mother sauces - espagnole, tomate, veloute, bechamel, hollandaise and mayonnaise - which formed the base for many more derivatives. As a matter of fact, Larousse Gastronomique was the definitive guide book recommended to us as part of our study.
    Is it possible that India has more know-how about French cuisine than France itself?

  • @ERBANIZM
    @ERBANIZM 2 года назад

    It all makes sense when you think about tartar (sauce). They don’t call it tartar dressing or anything else. I never thought about it that way until this video. Wow

  • @loganh2140
    @loganh2140 3 года назад

    25 floors? That's truly impressive

  • @Cammymoop
    @Cammymoop 3 года назад

    That library is so cool!

  • @thearchibaldtuttle
    @thearchibaldtuttle 3 года назад

    So you went down 25 floors to arrive at the surface again! Inception!!

  • @charlottematou5896
    @charlottematou5896 Год назад

    I always thought it weird that mayonnaise wouldn't be a mother sauce given the fact it is considered a basis for many close sauces, unlike hollandaise. Good job!

  • @sageinit
    @sageinit 3 года назад

    It's all a question of the sauce code

  • @patora13
    @patora13 3 года назад

    Loved the library part.

  • @nicolasmedina2978
    @nicolasmedina2978 3 года назад

    Hi Alex! Have you ever tried toon leaves, or so called beef leaf? considering that you love your ramen ,i am surprised yoou didnt talk about, unless you dont know it, another youtuber recently did a video about, "wierd fruit explorer" is the name. Loved this series.

  • @investingintelligently7856
    @investingintelligently7856 3 года назад +2

    Alex! Wikipedia redirected your page to the other article! They need to fix this asap :(

  • @entr0pic_
    @entr0pic_ 3 года назад

    I love what happened at Wikipedia because of him. Sure, people destroyed and reversed his entry, but still, the essence is still there and the Page got a huge overhaul because of him. In the end, they still have "Escoffier listed Hollandaise sauce as a daughter / small sauce in Le guide culinaire.[16] He placed mayonnaise in the chapter on cold sauces, and described it as a mother sauce for cold sauces, comparing it to Espagnole and Velouté.[17]", so all the work Alex had done was not in vain. And they even edited the Mayo Page.
    Great work Alex!

  • @justintomer2567
    @justintomer2567 3 года назад +415

    All of the historical and culinary implications this has aside, the thing that struck me the most was probably that librarian who without missing a beat was like "have you checked the translations?" like hes been there and seen this type of thing a million times.

    • @0v_x0
      @0v_x0 2 года назад +51

      Yeah that dude knows his job, it stood out for me, too. Also funding for public libraries in the US is shameful, like holy crap what an awesome facility.

    • @Schaddn
      @Schaddn Год назад +24

      Librarians are often scientists with a PhD, so I suspect he did see this a fair amount of times already.

    • @conorb7839
      @conorb7839 Год назад +3

      That's like the i.t. equivalent of asking to plug it out and and back in again

    • @Amaling
      @Amaling Год назад +2

      ​@a.phytophile4018 it's not a fair comparison, you should compare the best library in the entire USA to this here

    • @rodrigofonseca1160
      @rodrigofonseca1160 Год назад

      Nope, shut up, US bad, any other country good. That helps alliviate my depression@@Amaling

  • @jameshill2450
    @jameshill2450 3 года назад +487

    Alex: "We're gonna make a cooking show so good that you won't even realize there was no food ..."

    • @haanimely981
      @haanimely981 3 года назад +1

      😂

    • @arkanglegeibriel
      @arkanglegeibriel 3 года назад +1

      Wikipedia has reverted the changes.

    • @jonathanstein3559
      @jonathanstein3559 3 года назад +3

      @@arkanglegeibriel the page was edited, but the detail about the mistranslation is still there, just far less prominent. Quoting it as it is now, "Compared to Escoffier's original list, "Jus de veau lié" and "Suprême sauce" were removed and "Hollandaise" was added. The English edition also included a selection of "English Sauces" in its chapter on small sauces,[22] and it omitted the comments from the French edition that stated Escoffier considered mayonnaise to be a sort of mother sauce. Hollandaise is also absent from similar lists in Jules Gouffé's, Antoine Carême's, and Prosper Montagné’s cookbooks."

  • @TomNils337
    @TomNils337 3 года назад +967

    "Why is the internet covered in sauce hollandaise and not mayo?"
    I hate it when my internet service provider gives me the wrong sauce

  • @Daorf
    @Daorf 3 года назад +235

    I would watch an entire youtube channel about experts fact-checking and then rewriting Wikipedia.

    • @notahotshot
      @notahotshot 3 года назад +23

      With follow up episodes where all of their work gets reverted, because it will.

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 3 года назад

      @@notahotshot
      Yep, because it’s filled with propaganda.

    • @nerfherder4284
      @nerfherder4284 2 года назад +1

      Wikipedia is like asking the whole bar it's opinion.

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 Год назад

      @@notahotshot more content material, yay!

  • @jjfromhonolulu9023
    @jjfromhonolulu9023 3 года назад +210

    You should make a T-shirt that says "Hollandaise is a fraud" on the front and "Mayonnaise is the ugly duckling of Mother Sauces" on the back and sell it online.

    • @FrenchGuyCooking
      @FrenchGuyCooking  3 года назад +41

      Done. dftba.com/frenchguycooking

    • @64marcovix
      @64marcovix 3 года назад +3

      @@FrenchGuyCooking Excelente Amigo! Eres el mejor de los Home Based Cooks!

    • @nathan5137
      @nathan5137 3 года назад +6

      @@FrenchGuyCooking 404 Not Found. I missed it!!!!

  • @martagama4579
    @martagama4579 3 года назад +866

    "It never occurred to me it could be as stupid as a translation error." Oh, you'd be surprised how many times it is a translation error.

    • @vengefulspirit99
      @vengefulspirit99 3 года назад +34

      Most of the conflicts we get into are caused by simple misunderstanding. Makes sense

    • @65fhd4d6h5
      @65fhd4d6h5 3 года назад +16

      Not really a translation error, more of an editing error for the translated version of the book.

    • @russhillis
      @russhillis 3 года назад +33

      Worse still, even English to English can be mis-translated.

    • @RadicalEdwardStudios
      @RadicalEdwardStudios 3 года назад +17

      Genuinely, most of the things people are wrong about with respect to the bible are either mistranslations, or misinterpretations of meaning due to meaning shift over centuries. That said, the original said sea of reeds, but the old french version dropped an e, so even that happens.

    • @fotoblanco
      @fotoblanco 3 года назад +6

      @@russhillis Worse still is American to English. Was in a coffee shop in London and well comedy ensued.

  • @sarsticus
    @sarsticus 3 года назад +326

    I'd love a t-shirt that said "Hollandaise is *not* a mother sauce"

    • @DavidXRae
      @DavidXRae 3 года назад +13

      or 'hollandaise is a lie!'

    • @modelyacht
      @modelyacht 3 года назад +12

      and the back states: "But Mayonnaise is a mother sauce."

    • @DavidXRae
      @DavidXRae 3 года назад +4

      @@modelyacht or on the back it could say, join your brothers and sisters in mayo!

    • @arantes6
      @arantes6 3 года назад +3

      @@DavidXRae It is, but let's be honest, it's a tasty lie ^^

    • @frenchfriar
      @frenchfriar 3 года назад +3

      I just want one that says "Mayo is a mother."

  • @fadrus
    @fadrus 3 года назад +140

    The urge to whisper even in a closed library is strong.

  • @PedritoElMaldito
    @PedritoElMaldito 3 года назад +324

    Editors already wrecked both his page on mother sauces and the note he made in the pre-existing sauce page
    Edit: Hippo43 needs to get a life

    • @thewolfin
      @thewolfin 3 года назад +13

      Yep - he who controls information controls the world.

    • @CKOD
      @CKOD 3 года назад +49

      Wikipedia, home of the most brutal internet slapfights and hugest egos over even the most mundane of things. Along with explanations to things that require you to be an expert on the topic to understand what its trying to explain, just so said ego-strokers can feel good about themselves in proving how smart they are.

    • @barmalini
      @barmalini 3 года назад +4

      @@thewolfin never mind they can control the English speaking world only. That's why I started learning French as my new years resolution and I only regret that i haven't done it sooner.

    • @BSEUNHIR
      @BSEUNHIR 3 года назад +22

      Hippo got banned for edit warring, now is the time! Page needs a cleanup because everything is listed twice right now. I'm not gonna become a wikipedia warrior, but maybe someone else here will. Just remember: Keep it civil, keep it constructive and take it slow. Otherwise someone else is just gonna revert your edit.

    • @ale189251
      @ale189251 3 года назад +4

      Yeah was checking the page and it was diffrent then what i see here. Its like a handful people who write everything in wikipedia sadly.

  • @Nawsey
    @Nawsey 3 года назад +431

    Easily you are in the top 5 most incredible youtube creators. Can’t even debate it.

    • @teambl4dez
      @teambl4dez 3 года назад

      True

    • @THREADWEAVER
      @THREADWEAVER 3 года назад +1

      True. Who're the other four tho?

    • @jasonchang7762
      @jasonchang7762 3 года назад +2

      @@THREADWEAVER Clickspring is one of those

    • @hinatamasaki9991
      @hinatamasaki9991 3 года назад

      @@THREADWEAVER I think he was nominated for the streamys

    • @arkanglegeibriel
      @arkanglegeibriel 3 года назад +1

      Wikipedia has reverted the changes.

  • @MatthewScerriM
    @MatthewScerriM 3 года назад +250

    "The whole history of french cuisine is based on a typo".
    Sorry Alex, but LOL.

    • @Orinslayer
      @Orinslayer 3 года назад +5

      sobs in broke french chef.

  • @brokensprog
    @brokensprog 3 года назад +192

    Your article has stirred up no small controversy on wiki, you may want to comment on the discussion of the article as one editor in particular refuses to keep Hollandaise out of the list of French Mother Sauces despite the French sources not including it as one.

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 Год назад +2

      Tbf, has the error become popular enough that Hollandaise effectively became a mother sauce?

    • @twocsies
      @twocsies Год назад +2

      @@revimfadli4666 The type of independent research that went into this video is explicitly banned by Wikipedia. Alex might be right, but to be Wikipedia quality he needs to convince historians who then publish the results. Otherwise everyone can claim that this or that translation means this or that, in the face of evidence to the contrary (100 years of writing on mother sauces).
      "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material-such as facts, allegations, and ideas-for which no reliable, published sources exist. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article and directly support the material being presented."

    • @jenniferhergert4447
      @jenniferhergert4447 Год назад +7

      You are missing the entire point of this video. The book he found in the library clearly states that mayonnaise is a mother sauce and sauce Hollandaise is not.
      There is no old French book that states otherwise, apart from the wrong English translation.

  • @BramVanhooydonck
    @BramVanhooydonck 3 года назад +341

    It makes sense that mayonnaise is a mother sauce, not just because of the technical difficulty, but also because it requires fewer and more common ingredients, unlike Hollandaise.

    • @SRagy
      @SRagy 3 года назад +22

      I agree - I've always found it a bit confusing that hollandaise was a mother sauce but mayonnaise not. It all makes sense now!

    • @hibernate44
      @hibernate44 3 года назад +2

      What? Hollandaise requires 3 ingredients

    • @untitledpnk
      @untitledpnk 3 года назад +9

      @@hibernate44 Let's not pretend salt isn't an ingredient.

    • @irvingdog01
      @irvingdog01 3 года назад +6

      Agreed. And it utilizes one of the primary kitchen science moments; emulsion. Along with reduction and other hallmark concepts, they seem to be as much about technique as ingredients.

    • @HeliosFish
      @HeliosFish 3 года назад +20

      @@hibernate44 Rather for me it's rather how many types of sub sauces can be created using mayo. Whereas hollandaise really only has a handful

  • @scrambledegg81
    @scrambledegg81 3 года назад +307

    "Probably need a little catch up on this."
    I see what you did there...

    • @Kradukman
      @Kradukman 3 года назад +3

      But did he mean the old original ketchup or the new one from today ?

    • @jenniferbeck5658
      @jenniferbeck5658 3 года назад

      Shoot, I didn't see your comment before I made mine - ugh

    • @kylewolfe_
      @kylewolfe_ 3 года назад +2

      First and last time you'll ever hear a French guy say that

    • @iadtag1853
      @iadtag1853 3 года назад +2

      I was missing that on the playlist. Was it ever uploaded? I mean the Ketchup video.

    • @Lu-db1uf
      @Lu-db1uf 3 года назад

      What did he do? He did get caught up on it.

  • @adamcarson1516
    @adamcarson1516 3 года назад +124

    The French national library being closed on Mondays is the most French thing I’ve ever heard 😂

    • @bogdanmaricuta121
      @bogdanmaricuta121 3 года назад +23

      Most of the museums in the world are closed on Monday! ...

    • @serenadinardo5159
      @serenadinardo5159 3 года назад +12

      All the libraries in my town (Monza, Italy) are closed on mondays

    • @perlimpinpin101
      @perlimpinpin101 3 года назад +4

      Same in Canada

    • @cliffbramlett4131
      @cliffbramlett4131 3 года назад +7

      Most businesses and government offices in France are required, by law, to be closed at least one day a week. Businesses pick which day they want that to be. Monday is often the preference.

    • @ivetterodriguez1994
      @ivetterodriguez1994 3 года назад +4

      I live in SoCal. and at least my local city library closes Mondays too.

  • @AlexanderWilithinIII
    @AlexanderWilithinIII 3 года назад +99

    When I saw the title my first thought was "Oh no, this poor guy thinks he can actually edit Wikipedia." And lo and behold, it's been reverted. Unfortunately, they don't care about your research, they only care that the info came from a "reputable" publication.

    • @Ryndae-l
      @Ryndae-l 3 года назад +15

      Well, it's the way the encyclopedia works. Wikipedia is not a place for original research and new discovery - you need to convince other sources first.

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad 3 года назад +19

      The info *DID* come from a reputable publication (namely literally the guy who originally wrote about this, 1st edition!), and the sourcing is documented here in this video. The concept behind the rule is sound, but the enforcement is not. And if it were to hypothetically turn out that the video was faked somehow, that's one of the reasons why there is an edit button to begin with!

    • @LarsPallesen
      @LarsPallesen 2 года назад +5

      It's hard to beat the original source (the book) for a reputable source. The Wikipedia people should respect that.

    • @oldvlognewtricks
      @oldvlognewtricks Год назад +2

      @@LarsPallesen They prioritise consensus over accuracy.

    • @Bayonet1809
      @Bayonet1809 Год назад +1

      @@oldvlognewtricks Which is a ridiculous policy considering how influential Wikipedia has become; they can now create the consensus.

  • @KennitaJohnson
    @KennitaJohnson 3 года назад +115

    That’s pretty powerful position to be in that they would open the library rare book section on a day the library was closed.

    • @ashaf3561
      @ashaf3561 3 года назад +20

      Libraries don't really have any good advertisement. I don't think that place could of asked for a better opportunity.

    • @cyrilgermain2654
      @cyrilgermain2654 3 года назад +40

      On mondays, the general sections and reading rooms are closed to the public, but the BNF in general is a massive institution, and the regular workplace of countless people, so to be fair, it's more like he got a few people to open doors and give him a hand. I'm sure the 1.6m subs didn't hurt though ^^

    • @gregoiref7038
      @gregoiref7038 3 года назад +10

      @@ashaf3561 That's the most famous library in France storing every book that is published and store some of the rarest book France posses. So I don't think it's for advertisement plus if you want to go see rare book you need to be studying at least a master degree and have authorization from your teacher/university (on that one he probably got help for a researcher or explained well enough that his research was legit)

    • @k_meleon
      @k_meleon 3 года назад +3

      @@gregoiref7038 Pretty sure it has to do with his support from the CNC.

    • @EtienneFolio
      @EtienneFolio 3 года назад

      Being French and knowing a bit french libraries, I'm pretty sure you just have to ask and give a proper reason why you need access to this specific book. And the YT channel and the subs made the employees come with open arms.

  • @platypuspracticus2
    @platypuspracticus2 3 года назад +454

    The mortal enemy of French everywhere: an Englishman with a sense of entitlement.

    • @recoil53
      @recoil53 3 года назад +22

      I would think the English culinary world itself would be a nightmare to the French.

    • @decimusdrake5791
      @decimusdrake5791 3 года назад +61

      The mortal enemy of everyone everywhere: an Englishman with a sense of entitlement.
      Corrected it for you.

    • @caleb1031
      @caleb1031 3 года назад +9

      *Angry Gordon Ramsay noises*

    • @WhatACoolArrow
      @WhatACoolArrow 3 года назад +1

      @@recoil53 Marco Pierre White's career begs to disagree

    • @recoil53
      @recoil53 3 года назад +4

      @@WhatACoolArrow So I'm supposed to ignore the part where he did extensive time in the kitchens of acclaimed French chefs?

  • @oskarelysee9076
    @oskarelysee9076 3 года назад +49

    All my homies hate Hippo43

    • @NakuruKouChannel
      @NakuruKouChannel 3 года назад +7

      he put "please stop this shit" in one of his edits

    • @GP-sv8eg
      @GP-sv8eg 3 года назад +3

      @@NakuruKouChannel well then let's not stop it until we reach our goal

  • @scotty12332109
    @scotty12332109 3 года назад +80

    This has had to be one of the most thought through and insightful look into the world of food that i've ever seen, fair play, you beautiful man.

  • @snifey7694
    @snifey7694 3 года назад +179

    When your knowledge is so big that you had to rewrite a whole article
    edit:
    as I saw the actual wiki page and read a quarter of the comments, I now want you to fight back

    • @pekkasaarinen2902
      @pekkasaarinen2902 3 года назад +10

      And then someone reverts it back.

    • @Helvianir
      @Helvianir 3 года назад +2

      The wikipedians reverted it and even changed the new article he wrote

    • @snifey7694
      @snifey7694 3 года назад

      @@Helvianir your reply has now make me hate Wikipedians

  • @Venom89062
    @Venom89062 3 года назад +52

    The dude is literally correcting food history. I love it!

    • @gagamba9198
      @gagamba9198 3 года назад

      Not if wikipedia has anything to say about it. Check out all the edits. moves, revisions back and forth.

    • @TheHenranMan
      @TheHenranMan 3 года назад

      @@JackHudler They clearly aren't doing it maliciously though...

  • @finalfun3641
    @finalfun3641 3 года назад +35

    they already took away the paragraphs explaining the possible misconception of hollaindais beeing a mothersauce

  • @clewstah
    @clewstah 3 года назад +59

    To be honest, it just makes more sense for mayo to be a mother sauce, since it's the base for so many other sauces. :)

  • @patrickcharette2151
    @patrickcharette2151 3 года назад +100

    All of us checking Wikipedia:
    *My god he’s done it, he’s actually done it*

    • @spartanical
      @spartanical 3 года назад +17

      I just checked and I don't see any of what he wrote. Did someone edit his contribution out already? Or is the French Wikipedia different than what I will find here in the U.S.? What am I missing?

    • @christophedlauer1443
      @christophedlauer1443 3 года назад +17

      @@spartanical Someone mentioned his edit was removed "for 'original researchh, commentary, tone'."

    • @patrickcharette2151
      @patrickcharette2151 3 года назад +5

      @@spartanical I googled mother sauces, I think it’s separate to simply sauces

    • @spartanical
      @spartanical 3 года назад +18

      @@christophedlauer1443 Thanks for that! I was so disappointed not to find it; but at least I have an explanation now. Though the reason they provide seems fishy. Sounds like they don't want anyone disrupting the status quo. But of course no one learns anything when that is the case.

    • @lvs6775
      @lvs6775 3 года назад +12

      @@spartanical the information’s still there. You have to go to French Mother Sauces. It’s not exactly how he wrote it, but the information he provided is still being used.

  • @acdnintheusa
    @acdnintheusa 3 года назад +133

    I am genuinely moved by Alex’s pursuit for knowledge. That emotion totally caught me off guard. I was slightly overcome during the library segment. I’m like, WTH? Then I remembered, what are we truly without the desire to learn, grow, and share those lessons with others. Thank you Alex for that important reminder.

    • @DinoSarma
      @DinoSarma 3 года назад +6

      And the librarian. Like. You have those moments of clarity sometimes, and you realise that all the friends along the way really help you get there. Not gonna lie, I also got emotional.

    • @shashankbj3804
      @shashankbj3804 Год назад

      To me that sound like the purpose of life.. What a beautiful thing