Does that make Begode’s incorrect battery choice and poor BMS design somehow the fault of the rider? Begode sells on their reputation for building ‘extreme’ performance wheels, they even have their newest wheel named the Extreme - as you sow, so shall you, or rather the misled customer, reap!
To my knowledge, no creator has provided a critical EUC element and I was hoping you could fix this. Everyone talks about the manufacturers but no one talks about the dealers. Can you do a review of EUC dealers in the United States.? It would be helpful to have a summary of all the dealers, how they rank, their brick and mortar locations, how the wheels are warrantied, what the dealers stand behind, the process if there is a problem, etc. I keep seeing destroyed wheels on the internet. It is hard to get enthusiastic about investing into EUC without some understanding of what warranty safety nets exist and which dealers will be the most reliable.
I'd love to do that, thanks for the idea! I personally recommend all of the dealers that are in all of my video descriptions, and I have bought products from all of them. They are all very reputable, but some have varying warranty processes. The discount dealers such as Next Gen Mobility and EUC Deals carry the standard manufacturer warranty - which is not nearly as long, but they pass on tremendous savings to the user because of that. Another USA dealer that I recommend (which is not in the description) is Rev Rides. They are highly reputable and communicative, and do a lot of sponsoring for Amped Electric Games. I am a cheap guy, so I like Next Gen Mobility the most myself. But if I wanted to get the best possible warranty coverage, I'd stick with ewheels.
Great video! I have a 84V begode msx v2 HT. Samsung 18650 cells. Awesome wheel! No problems. I always charge when its cooler. And never unattended. Always make sure to balance out all the cells. Partial charges lead to weak cells over time.
I would guess that one reason why Begode has had more fires is because they've probably sold more wheels. The raw number of fires isn't a useful metric unless you also know the total wheel sold. I don't doubt Begode has had issues and they certainly don't have the greatest quality, but my experience with them (and I've owned 3), has not been bad. Ewheels did replace my RS batteries and I upgraded to Molicel which made the RS a much "punchier" wheel.
Begode is a much smaller company than Kingsong or Inmotion. Both companies sold more wheels to "casual" riders in Asia and Europe. Saleswise Begode cannot compare.
@@WheelGoodTimemy whole crew is on EX30’s now. I have a Sherman S arriving this week. I did have an Mten4 and it was actually great. The quality seemed fine.
@machyne82 everyone knows the rollers fall apart. Just bought a s22 pro as my first wheel and even i know.they fall apart. What type of riding are you doing.for the bearings to squeack? Charger, well its a Chinese charger 🤣. Get a proper charger. It'll be a tad bit more expensive but the stock ones, for almost any gadget, are always pretty chinsy.
Actually ewheels had a shipping container arrive from Begode that had started on fire somewhere in the Pacific Ocean and burnt itself out probably from lack of oxygen before it got to port. Customers said wheels that survived in that shipment smelled terrible 😂
@@EmilioZFG my-store-e4ebe9.creator-spring.com/ apologies for any editing issues and/or a lack of product selection, I was waiting until I reached 1,000 subscribers to link my teespring store to my channel, so the store isn't 100% polished yet 🙂
Excellent vid man, and on point as well. There is a misconception that you only have to be vigilant while the packs are charging. Every fire I have seen the vid or story on, it happened while the wheel was in use, or sitting idle in the house\car.
Good vid. Begode also received a lot of flak because they went on much longer with making wheels with little waterproofing. I'm afraid we will see more fires. There are so many euc's lying around collecting dust. BTW I think it's not very convincing to try to credit Begode by saying that other companies are 'just as shady'! lol
A few months ago I did my research when buying my first wheel. Begode was nowhere on my list of wheels to get. Hot charge ports and seeing mostly their wheels turning into fireball (plus seeing my friend crash on his Hero and it disintegrated) I decided on an InMotion wheel for my first wheel. Though it would be nice to have an American EUC manufacturer but with the high risk of EUCs I don't think any US company would take on this challenge. Plus the price would probably be astronomical compared the the ones out now.
Hey, to each his/her own. IM is a good company too, but my video was just made to show that Begode is markedly better than they were a few years ago. I'd also love an American-made EUC, but the price tag (due to higher labor costs, insurance, etc) on those wheels just couldn't compete at all, I think. Now on the other hand, if the R+D was done in the USA, then the production/assembly happened in China, then maybe it could worm... 🤔 Hmm...
Is it possible to make a video on safe ways to store your EUC? For those of us paranoid that it will someday catch on fire, having a safe place to store it wouldn't be a bad idea.
I would, but I don't have anything that would be a good "prop" 😜 with modern EUCs, especially those with smart BMSes, EUC fires are largely a thing of the past. Just make sure you balance those battery cells every once in a while, don't overcharge your wheel, and you're likely good to go! 😀
@@WheelGoodTime I’m thinking about buying a Inmotion v8f, what are your thoughts on the wheel and battery in it? And does it have BMS? I’m new to learning about batteries and e-vehicles, your videos have been really helpful thank you
@@vl589 the V8F Is a good EUC to start on, but you will definitely outgrow is very quickly. If your budget allows you to get something a bit newer, I'd recommend something a bit more capable, such as a Begode T4 Pro, Kingsong S16 Pro, or Begode A2, I'd recommend those instead. They are more waterproof, with newer (stronger) batteries, with higher torque and are capable of higher speeds. The V8F isn't "bad" - it's just that you won't likely get as much use out of it as you would with a more powerful "starter" EUC - unless you plan on getting something stronger after outgrowing the V8F, of course.
@@WheelGoodTime unfortunately those are way higher than my budget and need something that’s light and can be carried along the city. Speed and distance isn’t much of an issue for me I just want to relax, get fresh air and ride around parks. I already have a motorcycle for speed and distance.
Huh, interesting - I had to look up sodium ion batteries just now lol. If you think that's exciting, you should check out nuclear diamond batteries 😀 it's not ready for primetime yet, but it promises power for centuries on a single charge!
@@WheelGoodTime oh, I mean... Sodium Ion batteries are moving into mass production for EVs now. With a cost that is about 4% of the price of lithium, and zero dendrite formation, it's the leading candidate to replace lithium ion batteries in PEVs, given it's faster charge, reduced cost and weight and the non existent risk of fire.
Sounds very promising for sure. I have seen solid state batteries going into mass production on EV cars (which is better than li-ion) but sodium ion sounds 10x better than that, if they truly can deliver on those kinds of promises.
@@WheelGoodTime I don't know about 10x, but it's exciting. Energy density is a problem when you have a small surface area for battery deployment, but if it makes fires a complete non-issue, then it opens up a lot of possibly for PEV riders with regards to portability and travel. It's going to be interesting to see how quickly it's commercialized and whether or not it can increase the power density per kg. If pev manufacturers could reduce weight elsewhere to make up for the increased battery footprint, in exchange for eliminating fire hazard- it seems like they'd take that deal.
Service centers say that Begode wheels catched a fire because of BMS charge balancing circuit. Transistors and shunt resistor overheated battery cells.
I submit there is a 5th & perhaps a 6th reason why those specific wheels tended to be more 'explosive' prone. When the all 3 of the GW wheels were launched, they were amongst the highest, if not the highest performing wheel of their kind. In fact the RS ht is still the vaunted non suspension king of the offroad hill to this day. Needless to say, because GW/BG do not limit their speeds nor performance, many tended to take advantage of this & rode their wheels to their limits, meaning besides the high current demands, there are likely more crashes, dumps & whatever else than all the other makes, of its day. Also due to its simplicity of design, many were modded for extra performance & range. I'm betting some (or perhaps alot) of the fires were riders going beyond the design parameters, diy mods &or due to previous crashes leading to latent batt &or relevant component damage. Just a thought. But overall ya, these are Chinese companies with no liability consequences so safety was not job #1. That said, BG's seems to have come a long way as witnessed by their latest offerings. Kudos to you to approach this topic with a objective pov 👍
I would highly recommend getting into contact with a dealer (eWheels suggested) to get replacement battery packs ASAP. Sorry to scare you, but those batteries are not up to snuff for a high current-draw EUC like the RS19. If the wheel originally came from eWheels, then the replacement packs should be free to you.
thanks heaps my dude super informative and well put together! I own LK, KS and inmotion and wont be long before i end up owning a begode wheel as well.....might not be my mates' msp after watching this tho :-/
Thanks for the video, what are your opinions of the LG M50T vs the LG M50LT batteries? I've found that I have the later and was told that they are the safer option and haven't been included in these other fires.
I haven't done super extensive research in the M50LT cell, but here's a discussion about it that I found: forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/28176-lg-m50lt-why-do-euc-cos-keep-using-this-sub-optimal-cell/
@@WheelGoodTime Thanks! I found the same discussion, but no real confirmation of weather or not these are the cells that were in any of the fires. I'm told that these are rated for a higher discharge and were not experiencing the same type of degridation. Maybe more people can weigh in here??
@@mwhenry00 I asked Google Bard AI, and the results said that the LGM50LT has about 30% lower internal resistance (good), and is rated for 1000 cycles, vs the LGM50T's 300 cycle rating. So it is better than the M50T, but not a massive upgrade. On the S19 it's probably fine, especially since the S19 has a smart BMS to potentially detect issues. The 50LT is pretty similar to the 50E cell in many ways.
I haven't researched those wheels specifically, but I believe you on that point. Those wheels haven't had fire issues though, so I presume that those have much better BMS technology so as to not over-draw the batteries.
@@WheelGoodTime There is also 6 cells in parallel and a safer controller settings. I found somewhere that the most vulnerable for fires and degradation were 100 V 1800Wh monocycles ( just 4 cells in parallel). In EXN there is 4 LG M50T cells + 2 Samsung 50E. Of course s18 and V11 used LG cells as well but those battery packs had controllers which were set to cut out in case of to high power draw. That’s what I red or heard about this issue.
It's weird, your trying to scare me, but instead I'm just thinking of creating a fire safe storage charging area for when I get mine (aircrete (can take heat) walls and metal roof). Not sure first one, but goal is V13. I think it has a good track record.
If you pick any EUC that doesn't have that battery type and you should be just fine. 😊 Even among three EUCs that became bombs, that was still a relatively small percentage of total sales overall.
The batteries in the Patton aren't secured in place. They bang up and down. I am going to add kitt and foam so the batteries are held tight. Why didn't Leaperkim see this? The Sherman has motorboard fires, but the 30A fuses prevent a surge going to the batteries. I burnt my Sherman mobo. Lots of E-Bikes go up in flames.
@@BunnyslippersEUC Thanks man. Only if I would have the confirmation from a dealer prior to buy. I would buy a wheel only with Samsung cells, or Molicel for long time reliability. Unfortunately these are to be found only in heavier and more expensive wheels. I like Patton for sturdiness, and well-made, but not the weight. But with no alternative, maybe I’d buy one, if sure it has that Samsung batteries. A2 with street tire would be also interesting with Samsung cells.
@@themadchemist2805 Nothing wrong. From all my research until now the Samsung 50E are between most reliable cells, better than LGs and from what I heard more expensive, that’s why they are used only in heavier more expensive wheels. I would like to buy a max. 25kg wheel with these cells. (of course without inflating the price - the batteries must come down in price, if they want to be the future.)
I don't know what battery type the A2 has. If you were referencing that scrolling list of Begode models, Ijust listed that as one that has not (yet) spontaneously caught fire. Sorry about any confusion.
I do see that it uses 21700 cells, and 50e is one of them. Based on Begode 's recent history, they are likely to use 50e, 40t, or p42a batteries - they haven't used LGM50T's for years now (for obvious reasons) 🙂 and any of those 3(50e, 40t, p42a) are very safe.
@@WheelGoodTime Thank you, that would be great, but this info (name of the cells) isn’t posted on dealer’s sites, and I want to know prior to buy, not to gamble.
@@WheelGoodTime OK, thanks. Though, I’m not sure that the Chinese sell the same thing in Europe as in US. They respect more the US market. I advocate for disclosure of cells used in EUCs, worldwide and for all models. I hope EUC enthusiasts to stop buying blindly and join me. If many will ask to know what cells are they buying with the wheel, finally the EUC manufacturers will have to comply.
something you forgot to mention is begodes trash bms and lack of communication between motherboard and battery park is also a lot less safe compared to inmotion and especially kingsong (also wasn’t it confirmed that inmotion sold more wheels then all of the other companies combined?)
@@danmano478 I don't know much about that battery type to be honest. Seems like the 16x is fairly safe. Here's where you can get "officially recorded" data on EUC fires though: forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/21506-fire-history/
@@WheelGoodTime Thank you. The problem for me isn’t just the fire, but the fact that buying an EUC using cheap, unreliable cells like LGs has the consequence of losing my money a lot sooner than normal (first year, or even first months), like in the many cases of V12HS, V12HT, V11, V10f, V8 series or V5 series. (I guess all of these are using LGs cells - my V5f last me just one year). KS18XL used to have Samsung 35E cells, that’s why the proven reliability. Now, in the new 2023 reiteration, I understood from a dealer that Kingsong cut a corner and changed the Samsung cells with LG MJ1. As for KS16X I don’t know what cells they used in the past and what they are using now, in 2023. Anyways KS18Xl is known as more reliable than KS16X.
What on earth, I absolutely don't accept the premise that Begode is the most popular EUC brand. IMO that claim is out of touch with reality. They *might* be the most popular specifically among the fast performance wheels, which is a minority of EUCs. I think InMotion is the most popular, and it's not a close contest.
You may be right since they don't share their sales numbers. But it does seem that way and it is commonly accepted that they are the most popular, even if it's not true. The tough thing is that Begode doesn't make eScooters and IM does, so sadly we can't even compare the search popularity on Google Trends to give us a hint since they operate in different markets. IM search volume is much higher than Begode, but they also make popular eScooters, which tend to sell more models worldwide than EUCs. Thanks for your input! 🙂
Are you a fan of Curly of the Three Stooges? If so, can you do any of his sound effects and physical comedy? That would be awesome to add into your videos 😎
2021? 2022? 2023? De gelmeli bence bu video lara çok fazla ihtiyaç duymaktayız sonuçta canımıza malımıza maloluyor malda canın yongası şimdiden kolay gelsin.
Great video except the final conclusion: “but as far as trusting them all now, I will give them all my stamp of approval”. I assume you lost your critical breath, and didn’t want to break your relations with them. The dealers, at least in Europe don’t put in the Description or Specifications of a wheel, on their sites, the name of the cells used in that wheel. I asked and they told me that especially Inmotion and Kingsong manufacturers don’t disclose the cells used in their wheels. This is shady. So, they will deserve “the stamp of approval” of any sane EUC customer, only when they will disclose the cells used in all the EUCs they sell. We know, the reliable cells (like Samsung 50E or Molicel) are being used only in bigger wheels starting with Master and Sherman Max. Why these better, safer cells aren’t being used in smaller wheels, under 30kg? From what I know, these safer cells are more expensive than LG cells. So, all is done for money, with disregard of safety of the customers and their houses, and not “they’ve all made mistakes”. Sorry, I liked your video, but someone has to put his finger on it.
Thanks for your input. Where did you hear that they don't disclose the cell types? Every wheel that I'm aware of has had the cell types disclosed upon announcement, or shortly thereafter. I did say that because I didn't want it to look like I was trashing KS or IM in particular, but just wanted to show that they were largely the same in their approach.
@@WheelGoodTime All EUC manufacturers are scammers regarding QC, the cells used and their disclosure, the respect of the Warranty, and the obnoxious, dishonest prices in relation to aforementioned. I would like to buy another EUC, being sure it will last (at these high prices) at least 3 years. I have a hard time trusting one (I refer here mainly to the battery cells, which are most expensive and prone to premature failure).
@@danmano478 Here's to hoping that battery technology will advance So we no longer rely on lithium ion batteries anymore. As much as I would love to beat my chest and scold them for raising their prices as much as they have, raw lithium prices have quadrupled In the last 2 years, and unfortunately they have to pass that cost onto the consumer as the cost of doing business 😞
@@WheelGoodTime That’s why all this industry of lithium ion batteries and the vehicles based on them are a big scam. If they are not reliable, the prices shouldn’t rise. This rising in prices, despite poor quality and safety, is artificial and unfounded, is liberal, globalist politically sustained for the gains of the crooks involved. Those who buy them, willingly accept to be scamed. If no one would buy them, the prices would sink rapidly. These electric devices, especially EUCs are not “bleeding edge”, but “bleeding pockets”.
This is why i stick with Veteran. 0 fires and by far the best build quality. Eevees sold more shermans than any other wheel and had by far the least issues and least amount of warranty repairs.
Yeah i figured I'd hear about the 0 veteran fires in the comments😃 I even shot a segment about it but I edited it out. I think the reason why there were 0 veteran fires is partly dumb luck from using different battery cells, but it is hard to argue against the fact that veterans are (for the most part) put together very well.
LK is an offshoot from the GW days. They got to start off with a clean slate, kinda like how China's big cities are more modern with better infra than our supposed 1st world US cities. TBH it would not be surprising to discover that the LK crew were amongst those that designed the 'explosive' GWs. Just a thought
Even Adam from 'Wrong Way' who's been avoiding begodes for some time says the begode Extreme build quality is BETTER than the leaperkim/ veteran Patton.. so the 'quality' begode issue is something from the past now and not a relevant argument with begode's latest wheels and I agree.. the all cnc metal thoughtfully designed construction to the extreme is excellent and highly durable with better suspension and a smart bms for added monitoring/ safety.. both the ex30 and extreme build quality and durability is light years ahead of what it used to be.. comparing begode build quality in the extreme to that in the patton.. the extreme wins
@justinspirational I agree they improved. I'm not anti begode but extreme also just got off to a bad start. Imo begode doesn't test their wheels enough before they release them. They shouldn't caught the cut out issue ahead of time.
@@JonGZBOS there was no bad start.. all cutouts were user error.. chooch's video has been confirmed to be going in excess of 46mph.. he never was only going 35mph and at 70% battery this is normal for any euc with 4p and 16"wheel.. it never was designed as a high sustained speed street cruiser.. it's specifically for designed for offroad with optimal torque, agility and suspension and is outstanding at that.. that said you can hit more than 50mph though not sustainable by its design when ridden sensibly and not over powered when already at its limits as demonstrated by the objective unbiased data in Ronin's video ruclips.net/user/shortsqwCE1AB9gzs?si=Zgv1Q-Sb8_oK7vAi and recent firmware updates are already improving the torque and other factors
Another reason Begode had more fires with those LG cells- they were the only one with high output, 100 volt wheels. The competitor wheels in those days-S18, V11, 18Xl, 16x, etc are only 84 volt. That's much less strain on the cells themselves.
I don't think that's quite so. An 84V wheel has fewer cells in series than a 100V or higher. For a given power output, the 100V or higher will draw fewer amps from the cells. High amp draws stress cells. So if you want to lower that stress, you need to add more cells in series to raise the voltage. The reason Begode/Gotway packs failed more is that their famously high performance, i.e., power levels, meant that they were drawing higher current from the cells regardless of pack voltage. Higher voltage is a mitigating, not exacerbating factor here. But the real culprit is the controllers/firmware that allow higher sustained amp draws than the cells are rated to handle safely. The better safety rate of IM, KS wheels is largely because they are lower performance, i.e., they cap the max power level to safer levels.
Doesn’t explain why the Veteran wheels don’t burn, that’s more to do with the company philosophy behind the former Gotway designers and engineers, something they took away from Gotway/Begode when they left to build solid, reliable and safe wheels. This latter attribute didn’t figure much in G/B’s design criteria.
What evidence was shown to convince you? Did they show the maximum power draw of each of their EUC Model versus the maximum sustained power their battery packs can supply? Last time I checked these power EUCs still over draw the battery packs? Evidence? The EUC voltage drops clearly indicate battery being maxed out exceeding capacity… these fires are not going away just waiting for the wheels to age and accumulate battery damage.
Evidence? You mean battery cell data sheets which give specifics about their rated capacities? And voltage sag is not indicative of a battery's capacity being overloaded. It's indicative of a high load being placed on it, and those are not the same thing. I also present the fact that no current models have spontaneously caught fire as evidence.
I can tell that you didn't watch it, because it was actually ultimately a defense of Begode. This video showed how InMotion and Kingsong have the exact same track record as Gotway, they just received less publicity about the fires that occurred under their watch. I also showed how the current lineup of begode EUCs is much better than their lineup from "the old days". Give it a watch, you might have your mind changed :)
I added the caveat that those are the first ones that have no known abuse/water damage. The number of actual fires is dramatically higher but I didn't include those numbers to have a level/even playing field.
I got my statistics from this link (below). I have no doubt that there were many more that occurred prior to that - I'm sure you were a witness to many of them - but they aren't "officially recorded" forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/21506-fire-history/
Sorry but this is all nonsense. The Begode RS, Nikola and all older models had motherboard on side, right under the battery, without any internal cover and without fuses. The overheat of the motherboard cause fire on battery. Since few years Begode use internal plastic cover on motherboard. Also all new models have motherboard on top of the EUC. The S18 and V11 have motherboard on top, that is why motherboard burn don't cause battery fire. Simple but hard to understand for most of the people.
I would add that Gotway users tend to use their wheels a bit more to extremes, demanding more out of batteries and thus quickening the degradation.
Does that make Begode’s incorrect battery choice and poor BMS design somehow the fault of the rider? Begode sells on their reputation for building ‘extreme’ performance wheels, they even have their newest wheel named the Extreme - as you sow, so shall you, or rather the misled customer, reap!
To my knowledge, no creator has provided a critical EUC element and I was hoping you could fix this. Everyone talks about the manufacturers but no one talks about the dealers. Can you do a review of EUC dealers in the United States.? It would be helpful to have a summary of all the dealers, how they rank, their brick and mortar locations, how the wheels are warrantied, what the dealers stand behind, the process if there is a problem, etc. I keep seeing destroyed wheels on the internet. It is hard to get enthusiastic about investing into EUC without some understanding of what warranty safety nets exist and which dealers will be the most reliable.
I'd love to do that, thanks for the idea! I personally recommend all of the dealers that are in all of my video descriptions, and I have bought products from all of them. They are all very reputable, but some have varying warranty processes. The discount dealers such as Next Gen Mobility and EUC Deals carry the standard manufacturer warranty - which is not nearly as long, but they pass on tremendous savings to the user because of that. Another USA dealer that I recommend (which is not in the description) is Rev Rides. They are highly reputable and communicative, and do a lot of sponsoring for Amped Electric Games. I am a cheap guy, so I like Next Gen Mobility the most myself. But if I wanted to get the best possible warranty coverage, I'd stick with ewheels.
Great video! I have a 84V begode msx v2 HT. Samsung 18650 cells. Awesome wheel! No problems. I always charge when its cooler. And never unattended. Always make sure to balance out all the cells. Partial charges lead to weak cells over time.
I would guess that one reason why Begode has had more fires is because they've probably sold more wheels. The raw number of fires isn't a useful metric unless you also know the total wheel sold. I don't doubt Begode has had issues and they certainly don't have the greatest quality, but my experience with them (and I've owned 3), has not been bad. Ewheels did replace my RS batteries and I upgraded to Molicel which made the RS a much "punchier" wheel.
Begode is a much smaller company than Kingsong or Inmotion. Both companies sold more wheels to "casual" riders in Asia and Europe. Saleswise Begode cannot compare.
My S22 pro has been problem after problem. Maybe I should give Begode a chance.
I recommend it! 😀 Especially these days, it seems that they have been trying hard to "do it right" rather than rapid-fire release trash wheels.
@@WheelGoodTimemy whole crew is on EX30’s now. I have a Sherman S arriving this week. I did have an Mten4 and it was actually great. The quality seemed fine.
What type of issues?
@@CartoonWeasel new rollers fell apart in 300 miles, charger quit working, bearings squeaking like crazy, firmware won’t update.
@machyne82 everyone knows the rollers fall apart.
Just bought a s22 pro as my first wheel and even i know.they fall apart.
What type of riding are you doing.for the bearings to squeack?
Charger, well its a Chinese charger 🤣.
Get a proper charger. It'll be a tad bit more expensive but the stock ones, for almost any gadget, are always pretty chinsy.
Actually ewheels had a shipping container arrive from Begode that had started on fire somewhere in the Pacific Ocean and burnt itself out probably from lack of oxygen before it got to port. Customers said wheels that survived in that shipment smelled terrible 😂
How did I miss some of those editing issues in this video before posting it?!? 😅 Well, too late to redo it now, I'll do better next time 😊
@WheelGoodTime were can I purchase that tshirt ?
@@EmilioZFG my-store-e4ebe9.creator-spring.com/ apologies for any editing issues and/or a lack of product selection, I was waiting until I reached 1,000 subscribers to link my teespring store to my channel, so the store isn't 100% polished yet 🙂
I have the begode exn never had a problem going on to 3 years now
Excellent vid man, and on point as well. There is a misconception that you only have to be vigilant while the packs are charging. Every fire I have seen the vid or story on, it happened while the wheel was in use, or sitting idle in the house\car.
Thank you Jason @ EWheels for providing the new battery packs for my RS👍🏼
Good vid. Begode also received a lot of flak because they went on much longer with making wheels with little waterproofing.
I'm afraid we will see more fires. There are so many euc's lying around collecting dust.
BTW I think it's not very convincing to try to credit Begode by saying that other companies are 'just as shady'! lol
A few months ago I did my research when buying my first wheel. Begode was nowhere on my list of wheels to get. Hot charge ports and seeing mostly their wheels turning into fireball (plus seeing my friend crash on his Hero and it disintegrated) I decided on an InMotion wheel for my first wheel. Though it would be nice to have an American EUC manufacturer but with the high risk of EUCs I don't think any US company would take on this challenge. Plus the price would probably be astronomical compared the the ones out now.
Hey, to each his/her own. IM is a good company too, but my video was just made to show that Begode is markedly better than they were a few years ago. I'd also love an American-made EUC, but the price tag (due to higher labor costs, insurance, etc) on those wheels just couldn't compete at all, I think. Now on the other hand, if the R+D was done in the USA, then the production/assembly happened in China, then maybe it could worm... 🤔 Hmm...
I'm one of those fires! Mten3. Caught fire in my living room upon very first charge, never rode it.
I'm sorry to hear that 😞
Thank you for the video! I quess begode wheels are also ridden more agressively.
nice insights pretty much on point! 💪
Is it possible to make a video on safe ways to store your EUC? For those of us paranoid that it will someday catch on fire, having a safe place to store it wouldn't be a bad idea.
I would, but I don't have anything that would be a good "prop" 😜 with modern EUCs, especially those with smart BMSes, EUC fires are largely a thing of the past. Just make sure you balance those battery cells every once in a while, don't overcharge your wheel, and you're likely good to go! 😀
@@WheelGoodTime I’m thinking about buying a Inmotion v8f, what are your thoughts on the wheel and battery in it? And does it have BMS? I’m new to learning about batteries and e-vehicles, your videos have been really helpful thank you
@@vl589 the V8F Is a good EUC to start on, but you will definitely outgrow is very quickly. If your budget allows you to get something a bit newer, I'd recommend something a bit more capable, such as a Begode T4 Pro, Kingsong S16 Pro, or Begode A2, I'd recommend those instead. They are more waterproof, with newer (stronger) batteries, with higher torque and are capable of higher speeds. The V8F isn't "bad" - it's just that you won't likely get as much use out of it as you would with a more powerful "starter" EUC - unless you plan on getting something stronger after outgrowing the V8F, of course.
@@WheelGoodTime unfortunately those are way higher than my budget and need something that’s light and can be carried along the city. Speed and distance isn’t much of an issue for me I just want to relax, get fresh air and ride around parks. I already have a motorcycle for speed and distance.
This is a fantastic breakdown... Answering the question we are all thinking! Looking forward to sodium ion batteries!
Huh, interesting - I had to look up sodium ion batteries just now lol. If you think that's exciting, you should check out nuclear diamond batteries 😀 it's not ready for primetime yet, but it promises power for centuries on a single charge!
@@WheelGoodTime oh, I mean... Sodium Ion batteries are moving into mass production for EVs now. With a cost that is about 4% of the price of lithium, and zero dendrite formation, it's the leading candidate to replace lithium ion batteries in PEVs, given it's faster charge, reduced cost and weight and the non existent risk of fire.
Sounds very promising for sure. I have seen solid state batteries going into mass production on EV cars (which is better than li-ion) but sodium ion sounds 10x better than that, if they truly can deliver on those kinds of promises.
@@WheelGoodTime I don't know about 10x, but it's exciting. Energy density is a problem when you have a small surface area for battery deployment, but if it makes fires a complete non-issue, then it opens up a lot of possibly for PEV riders with regards to portability and travel. It's going to be interesting to see how quickly it's commercialized and whether or not it can increase the power density per kg. If pev manufacturers could reduce weight elsewhere to make up for the increased battery footprint, in exchange for eliminating fire hazard- it seems like they'd take that deal.
Service centers say that Begode wheels catched a fire because of BMS charge balancing circuit. Transistors and shunt resistor overheated battery cells.
I submit there is a 5th & perhaps a 6th reason why those specific wheels tended to be more 'explosive' prone. When the all 3 of the GW wheels were launched, they were amongst the highest, if not the highest performing wheel of their kind. In fact the RS ht is still the vaunted non suspension king of the offroad hill to this day. Needless to say, because GW/BG do not limit their speeds nor performance, many tended to take advantage of this & rode their wheels to their limits, meaning besides the high current demands, there are likely more crashes, dumps & whatever else than all the other makes, of its day. Also due to its simplicity of design, many were modded for extra performance & range. I'm betting some (or perhaps alot) of the fires were riders going beyond the design parameters, diy mods &or due to previous crashes leading to latent batt &or relevant component damage. Just a thought. But overall ya, these are Chinese companies with no liability consequences so safety was not job #1. That said, BG's seems to have come a long way as witnessed by their latest offerings. Kudos to you to approach this topic with a objective pov 👍
I've just bought a used RS 19 HT, with LG M50T 21700 battery. It is not safe, is it?
I would highly recommend getting into contact with a dealer (eWheels suggested) to get replacement battery packs ASAP. Sorry to scare you, but those batteries are not up to snuff for a high current-draw EUC like the RS19. If the wheel originally came from eWheels, then the replacement packs should be free to you.
thanks heaps my dude super informative and well put together! I own LK, KS and inmotion and wont be long before i end up owning a begode wheel as well.....might not be my mates' msp after watching this tho :-/
Gotways caught fire....begode have a clear conscience.
GotWay? Nothing to see here, never heard of 'em - we're a totally different company!" 🤣
Thanks for the video, what are your opinions of the LG M50T vs the LG M50LT batteries? I've found that I have the later and was told that they are the safer option and haven't been included in these other fires.
I haven't done super extensive research in the M50LT cell, but here's a discussion about it that I found: forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/28176-lg-m50lt-why-do-euc-cos-keep-using-this-sub-optimal-cell/
@@WheelGoodTime Thanks! I found the same discussion, but no real confirmation of weather or not these are the cells that were in any of the fires. I'm told that these are rated for a higher discharge and were not experiencing the same type of degridation. Maybe more people can weigh in here??
@@mwhenry00 I asked Google Bard AI, and the results said that the LGM50LT has about 30% lower internal resistance (good), and is rated for 1000 cycles, vs the LGM50T's 300 cycle rating. So it is better than the M50T, but not a massive upgrade. On the S19 it's probably fine, especially since the S19 has a smart BMS to potentially detect issues. The 50LT is pretty similar to the 50E cell in many ways.
@@WheelGoodTime Awesome thaks for the info.
I am sure that Begode EX and EXN uses LG M50T as well. They have two packs of those and one of Samsung 50E.
I haven't researched those wheels specifically, but I believe you on that point. Those wheels haven't had fire issues though, so I presume that those have much better BMS technology so as to not over-draw the batteries.
@@WheelGoodTime There is also 6 cells in parallel and a safer controller settings. I found somewhere that the most vulnerable for fires and degradation were 100 V 1800Wh monocycles ( just 4 cells in parallel). In EXN there is 4 LG M50T cells + 2 Samsung 50E. Of course s18 and V11 used LG cells as well but those battery packs had controllers which were set to cut out in case of to high power draw. That’s what I red or heard about this issue.
It's weird, your trying to scare me, but instead I'm just thinking of creating a fire safe storage charging area for when I get mine (aircrete (can take heat) walls and metal roof). Not sure first one, but goal is V13. I think it has a good track record.
If you pick any EUC that doesn't have that battery type and you should be just fine. 😊 Even among three EUCs that became bombs, that was still a relatively small percentage of total sales overall.
The batteries in the Patton aren't secured in place. They bang up and down. I am going to add kitt and foam so the batteries are held tight. Why didn't Leaperkim see this?
The Sherman has motorboard fires, but the 30A fuses prevent a surge going to the batteries. I burnt my Sherman mobo.
Lots of E-Bikes go up in flames.
Do you know what cells are inside Patton (the name)?
@danmano478 according to the stickers, Samsung inr2700-e50
@@BunnyslippersEUC Thanks man. Only if I would have the confirmation from a dealer prior to buy. I would buy a wheel only with Samsung cells, or Molicel for long time reliability. Unfortunately these are to be found only in heavier and more expensive wheels. I like Patton for sturdiness, and well-made, but not the weight. But with no alternative, maybe I’d buy one, if sure it has that Samsung batteries. A2 with street tire would be also interesting with Samsung cells.
@@danmano478hat’s wrong with 50E cells?
@@themadchemist2805 Nothing wrong. From all my research until now the Samsung 50E are between most reliable cells, better than LGs and from what I heard more expensive, that’s why they are used only in heavier more expensive wheels. I would like to buy a max. 25kg wheel with these cells. (of course without inflating the price - the batteries must come down in price, if they want to be the future.)
Next gen mobility, ive heard you mention this seller i looked at their website they have great prices im thinking of making a purchase, is it safe ?
Yep, I've bought 2 EUCs from them. But the website is under construction right now - use the telegram link t.me/NextGenMobility
should I be worried about owning a nikola ar+?
No that one has good batteries
@@WheelGoodTime Thx for the answer, mate.
Plus EUCO headquarters caught fire too.
Man, you listed Begode A2, as having Samsung 50E cells, are you sure? I don’t find this info on dealer’s sites, at least in Europe.
I don't know what battery type the A2 has. If you were referencing that scrolling list of Begode models, Ijust listed that as one that has not (yet) spontaneously caught fire. Sorry about any confusion.
I do see that it uses 21700 cells, and 50e is one of them. Based on Begode 's recent history, they are likely to use 50e, 40t, or p42a batteries - they haven't used LGM50T's for years now (for obvious reasons) 🙂 and any of those 3(50e, 40t, p42a) are very safe.
@@WheelGoodTime Thank you, that would be great, but this info (name of the cells) isn’t posted on dealer’s sites, and I want to know prior to buy, not to gamble.
@@danmano478 I'm asking around to those that have it, and will let you know when I know. 🙂
@@WheelGoodTime OK, thanks. Though, I’m not sure that the Chinese sell the same thing in Europe as in US. They respect more the US market. I advocate for disclosure of cells used in EUCs, worldwide and for all models. I hope EUC enthusiasts to stop buying blindly and join me. If many will ask to know what cells are they buying with the wheel, finally the EUC manufacturers will have to comply.
if u take a vote of begode owners, it’s a drop in the bucket vs happy customers. the pev community is maddd weird ab this
something you forgot to mention is begodes trash bms and lack of communication between motherboard and battery park is also a lot less safe compared to inmotion and especially kingsong (also wasn’t it confirmed that inmotion sold more wheels then all of the other companies combined?)
begode extreme ? Good ?
I am still awaiting the arrival of mine - but from everything I've seen so far, it's very, very good.
Doesn't KingSong 16X have the same battery type? 😅😅
They use(d) the LG MJ1 battery type. 🙂
forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/18631-type-of-cells-in-16x/
@@WheelGoodTime There is a difference in quality?
@@danmano478 I don't know much about that battery type to be honest. Seems like the 16x is fairly safe. Here's where you can get "officially recorded" data on EUC fires though: forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/21506-fire-history/
@@WheelGoodTime Thank you. The problem for me isn’t just the fire, but the fact that buying an EUC using cheap, unreliable cells like LGs has the consequence of losing my money a lot sooner than normal (first year, or even first months), like in the many cases of V12HS, V12HT, V11, V10f, V8 series or V5 series. (I guess all of these are using LGs cells - my V5f last me just one year). KS18XL used to have Samsung 35E cells, that’s why the proven reliability. Now, in the new 2023 reiteration, I understood from a dealer that Kingsong cut a corner and changed the Samsung cells with LG MJ1. As for KS16X I don’t know what cells they used in the past and what they are using now, in 2023. Anyways KS18Xl is known as more reliable than KS16X.
What on earth, I absolutely don't accept the premise that Begode is the most popular EUC brand. IMO that claim is out of touch with reality. They *might* be the most popular specifically among the fast performance wheels, which is a minority of EUCs. I think InMotion is the most popular, and it's not a close contest.
You may be right since they don't share their sales numbers. But it does seem that way and it is commonly accepted that they are the most popular, even if it's not true. The tough thing is that Begode doesn't make eScooters and IM does, so sadly we can't even compare the search popularity on Google Trends to give us a hint since they operate in different markets. IM search volume is much higher than Begode, but they also make popular eScooters, which tend to sell more models worldwide than EUCs.
Thanks for your input! 🙂
Are you a fan of Curly of the Three Stooges? If so, can you do any of his sound effects and physical comedy? That would be awesome to add into your videos 😎
I'll look into it! I get some of my sound effects downloaded from RUclips so I might be able to find some there for my next video. 🙃
@@WheelGoodTime Super cool!!
Make a video on cur outs
2021? 2022? 2023? De gelmeli bence bu video lara çok fazla ihtiyaç duymaktayız sonuçta canımıza malımıza maloluyor malda canın yongası şimdiden kolay gelsin.
Great video except the final conclusion: “but as far as trusting them all now, I will give them all my stamp of approval”. I assume you lost your critical breath, and didn’t want to break your relations with them. The dealers, at least in Europe don’t put in the Description or Specifications of a wheel, on their sites, the name of the cells used in that wheel. I asked and they told me that especially Inmotion and Kingsong manufacturers don’t disclose the cells used in their wheels. This is shady. So, they will deserve “the stamp of approval” of any sane EUC customer, only when they will disclose the cells used in all the EUCs they sell. We know, the reliable cells (like Samsung 50E or Molicel) are being used only in bigger wheels starting with Master and Sherman Max. Why these better, safer cells aren’t being used in smaller wheels, under 30kg? From what I know, these safer cells are more expensive than LG cells. So, all is done for money, with disregard of safety of the customers and their houses, and not “they’ve all made mistakes”. Sorry, I liked your video, but someone has to put his finger on it.
Thanks for your input. Where did you hear that they don't disclose the cell types? Every wheel that I'm aware of has had the cell types disclosed upon announcement, or shortly thereafter. I did say that because I didn't want it to look like I was trashing KS or IM in particular, but just wanted to show that they were largely the same in their approach.
@@WheelGoodTime All EUC manufacturers are scammers regarding QC, the cells used and their disclosure, the respect of the Warranty, and the obnoxious, dishonest prices in relation to aforementioned. I would like to buy another EUC, being sure it will last (at these high prices) at least 3 years. I have a hard time trusting one (I refer here mainly to the battery cells, which are most expensive and prone to premature failure).
@@danmano478 Here's to hoping that battery technology will advance So we no longer rely on lithium ion batteries anymore. As much as I would love to beat my chest and scold them for raising their prices as much as they have, raw lithium prices have quadrupled In the last 2 years, and unfortunately they have to pass that cost onto the consumer as the cost of doing business 😞
@@WheelGoodTime That’s why all this industry of lithium ion batteries and the vehicles based on them are a big scam. If they are not reliable, the prices shouldn’t rise. This rising in prices, despite poor quality and safety, is artificial and unfounded, is liberal, globalist politically sustained for the gains of the crooks involved. Those who buy them, willingly accept to be scamed. If no one would buy them, the prices would sink rapidly. These electric devices, especially EUCs are not “bleeding edge”, but “bleeding pockets”.
This is why i stick with Veteran. 0 fires and by far the best build quality. Eevees sold more shermans than any other wheel and had by far the least issues and least amount of warranty repairs.
Yeah i figured I'd hear about the 0 veteran fires in the comments😃 I even shot a segment about it but I edited it out.
I think the reason why there were 0 veteran fires is partly dumb luck from using different battery cells, but it is hard to argue against the fact that veterans are (for the most part) put together very well.
LK is an offshoot from the GW days. They got to start off with a clean slate, kinda like how China's big cities are more modern with better infra than our supposed 1st world US cities. TBH it would not be surprising to discover that the LK crew were amongst those that designed the 'explosive' GWs. Just a thought
Even Adam from 'Wrong Way' who's been avoiding begodes for some time says the begode Extreme build quality is BETTER than the leaperkim/ veteran Patton.. so the 'quality' begode issue is something from the past now and not a relevant argument with begode's latest wheels and I agree.. the all cnc metal thoughtfully designed construction to the extreme is excellent and highly durable with better suspension and a smart bms for added monitoring/ safety.. both the ex30 and extreme build quality and durability is light years ahead of what it used to be.. comparing begode build quality in the extreme to that in the patton.. the extreme wins
@justinspirational I agree they improved. I'm not anti begode but extreme also just got off to a bad start. Imo begode doesn't test their wheels enough before they release them. They shouldn't caught the cut out issue ahead of time.
@@JonGZBOS there was no bad start.. all cutouts were user error.. chooch's video has been confirmed to be going in excess of 46mph.. he never was only going 35mph and at 70% battery this is normal for any euc with 4p and 16"wheel.. it never was designed as a high sustained speed street cruiser.. it's specifically for designed for offroad with optimal torque, agility and suspension and is outstanding at that.. that said you can hit more than 50mph though not sustainable by its design when ridden sensibly and not over powered when already at its limits as demonstrated by the objective unbiased data in Ronin's video ruclips.net/user/shortsqwCE1AB9gzs?si=Zgv1Q-Sb8_oK7vAi and recent firmware updates are already improving the torque and other factors
Another reason Begode had more fires with those LG cells- they were the only one with high output, 100 volt wheels. The competitor wheels in those days-S18, V11, 18Xl, 16x, etc are only 84 volt. That's much less strain on the cells themselves.
Very true! 🙂
I don't think that's quite so. An 84V wheel has fewer cells in series than a 100V or higher. For a given power output, the 100V or higher will draw fewer amps from the cells. High amp draws stress cells. So if you want to lower that stress, you need to add more cells in series to raise the voltage.
The reason Begode/Gotway packs failed more is that their famously high performance, i.e., power levels, meant that they were drawing higher current from the cells regardless of pack voltage. Higher voltage is a mitigating, not exacerbating factor here. But the real culprit is the controllers/firmware that allow higher sustained amp draws than the cells are rated to handle safely.
The better safety rate of IM, KS wheels is largely because they are lower performance, i.e., they cap the max power level to safer levels.
Doesn’t explain why the Veteran wheels don’t burn, that’s more to do with the company philosophy behind the former Gotway designers and engineers, something they took away from Gotway/Begode when they left to build solid, reliable and safe wheels. This latter attribute didn’t figure much in G/B’s design criteria.
What evidence was shown to convince you? Did they show the maximum power draw of each of their EUC Model versus the maximum sustained power their battery packs can supply? Last time I checked these power EUCs still over draw the battery packs? Evidence? The EUC voltage drops clearly indicate battery being maxed out exceeding capacity… these fires are not going away just waiting for the wheels to age and accumulate battery damage.
Evidence? You mean battery cell data sheets which give specifics about their rated capacities? And voltage sag is not indicative of a battery's capacity being overloaded. It's indicative of a high load being placed on it, and those are not the same thing.
I also present the fact that no current models have spontaneously caught fire as evidence.
@@WheelGoodTime agree, when voltage sags it doesn’t mean the battery is being “maxed out”.
Also, what do you mean by “last time you checked” lol
DON'T BUY a Begode EUC.. rest does not matter... and we dont need to watch video, caption says everything
I can tell that you didn't watch it, because it was actually ultimately a defense of Begode. This video showed how InMotion and Kingsong have the exact same track record as Gotway, they just received less publicity about the fires that occurred under their watch. I also showed how the current lineup of begode EUCs is much better than their lineup from "the old days". Give it a watch, you might have your mind changed :)
Very 1st comment was inaccurate
They been having fires longer than that
I added the caveat that those are the first ones that have no known abuse/water damage. The number of actual fires is dramatically higher but I didn't include those numbers to have a level/even playing field.
I got my statistics from this link (below). I have no doubt that there were many more that occurred prior to that - I'm sure you were a witness to many of them - but they aren't "officially recorded"
forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/21506-fire-history/
Sorry but this is all nonsense. The Begode RS, Nikola and all older models had motherboard on side, right under the battery, without any internal cover and without fuses. The overheat of the motherboard cause fire on battery. Since few years Begode use internal plastic cover on motherboard. Also all new models have motherboard on top of the EUC. The S18 and V11 have motherboard on top, that is why motherboard burn don't cause battery fire. Simple but hard to understand for most of the people.