I vaguely remember my high school lunch stuff using these over some overstock IBM monitors, punching in orders, sometimes inaccurately... Those were... days...
ben's the kind of guy that you would do well to be found with if you were stuck on an alien planet and found a ship capable of escaping that planets atmosphere but you just had to figure out the controls and maybe reconfigure some of the propulsion system
That's cool. You could project with a pico projector inversed from behind (with a sheet of tissue paper) and make a little interactive music display or something.
We built a ton of machines that used magic touch touchscreens. We opened up the LCD's and mounted the bare touchscreens inside I still have a drawer full of keytec stuff- floppy discs, glass cleaning clothes. I still use them to clean my glasses.
He might be more inclined to human pointed lasers because our hands aren't steady. He probably sees it bouncing around a tiny bit and interpret it as a bug. But the motors might hold it too still. Maybe try adding in some noise into the servo position?
You can use it to build/support a CNC machine controller (or something else). With a non-functional touchscreen tablet or a laptop screen or you can 'draw' fixed buttons on a panel to fit behind the glass. Benefits: No dirt can go inside (the buttons), especially when you make a case for it. I think this find can be still pretty useful.
The sheer amount of joy coming from the old hardware working more or less fine on Windows 10 actually does bring in some strong LGR vibes to it. I approve.
Pretty sure this came out in 1999. I say this because the retirement home I taught computers at had one of these on the single computer in their "computer lab." It was always shifted to the side because the tab things weren't stuck down. And I just looked them up, and they're STILL AROUND. WHAT.
By the way, I believe the reason they had separate drivers for 98 and for ME was because ME added support for Windows Driver Foundation (WDF) drivers. And it is likely for the same reason the device still works in Windows 10 without additional effort.
My parents had a touchscreen addon for their old CRT computer. The screen was made of what looked like screen door screen and it had a pen which plugged into the computer. I don't know the exact computer but it kind of looked like a IBM Model 5150.
Seeing that floppy disk reminds me of my desire to set up a mid-90s virtual machine running windows 3.11 - Complete with a physical floppy drive and magnetic HDD for at least semi-authenticity. :-)
Hey Ben! Love to see your videos! Been watching your work ever since your early lapinhackintop days! Also I love that your cat's name is Bud, haha! You could use this touch screen to make a sort of interactive map table with!
"The second value is the 'h', and the first value is the 'y'." (18:43) Mixing naming conventions again, Ben? Such a Renegade! (Awesome TV show, by the way!)
I wonder if Bud was ignoring it because it was held too steady by the robot. There's always just a little bit of motion when handheld, and cats seem keyed to motion.
It probably works on Windows 10 because it uses a standard USB device class. This is the same reason that very old USB keyboards and mice still work fine. I bet you could get it to work on Linux too, and possibly macOS.
It's been way too long since the days when I had a CRT monitor, so I can't remember how (un)common this tech was. But dang this sort of thing would have been super impressive if I seen it back then. Imagine playing something like Starcraft or Heroes of Might & Magic with this?
Cool pickup (and reverse engineering) - there was a phase in the 90s were touch screen were set to be the next big thing! Then people realised they didnt want smears over their screen lol. Then later we started getting tablets and people weren's so fussed. Why is it that we dont want finger prints on our monitors, but we're OK with them on phones and tablets lol.
Seems like an over engineered solution to bias the screen with AC instead of making the voltage gradients go 1 way. Maybe there's a capacitance between the 2 planes they're trying to dissipate. Resistive has had a 2nd life in grocery stores.
Neat, I keep trying to thing of a use for a touchscreen and inevitably come up with touchscreens as the panultimate purpose. How about a board game overlay, adding digital input for interaction. Or a drawing tablet that moves a physical pen XY and prints as you draw. Unnecessary abstraction meets the silliness quotient.
I thought I was watching LGR and was surprised to see a scope and the Arduino IDE, I never knew he did this kind of stuff. Woke up after seeing a laser controlled by a crap touchscreen ... ah yes it must be Ben.
Could this be good as an education overlay, like enhancing and old fashion book or atlas if coded for the specific page? Anyway, it wouldn’t be as easy to use as your iPhone.
That is not too bad. It could be an optical break beam array like on old production level Xerox printers. I have actually used those printers and their touch screens.
I was wondering if the screen controller IC was just a mask programmed PIC or similar that has been remarked, but if I counted correctly it's a 30 pin package which is super uncommon. Seems like an unnecessarily high number of pins for the application. Did you check the comms between the touch controller and the USB bridge? Does it enumerate as a HID device?
My elementary school had one of these in the computer lab (would've been around '05)! Super cool but I never got to try it because it was only meant for students w motor issues or learning differences
Gotta hand it to the patent invention of the touchscreen adapter. It was ahead of its time but if it was made recently, it would be seen as the worst attempt of a cash grab. The oscope capture kind of looks like some type of amplitude shift keying (ASK).
This reminds me of a LCD display which you hooked up tp your PC's VGA port and then place it on a overhead projector to to presentations! (B.t.w. I like Bud)
Can Arduino's Serial Plotter be set to XY mode to simulate the location within the touchscreen's active area? Oooh, oooh, can you put the scope in XY mode and do the same? No, wait, mount the touchscreen on the laser rig and see if you can align it like a head's up scope (parralax, I know) to visually see/point to where the laser is... Clearly I have no life other than to write useless comments on Ben's videos. Seriously, this was a fun video, Ben. Do more like this!
The driver probably works because it's using the USB HID protocol. The drivers for 98/ME were likely because support wasn't as good back then - it's probably not a specialized driver for that hardware.
I literally clicked because I thought it was an LGR video. I was shocked and happily surprised when it turned out to be Ben!
I must say Clint's videos inspired me to start checking out Goodwills again after like 15 years of not doing so.
@@BenHeckHacks Just imagine the finds you could of had..
Who is in your tech tubers traveling wilburys?
Uses goo-gone on an IC ... rubs off all text and black paint ...
Ngl, it'd be amazing to see LGR cover something like this
The fact that this crap just works still is simultaneously incredible and ridiculous.
the wonder of the HID standard
A lot of the time, old tech has just been left in a closet or box in the basement, has a fraction of the use it ought to.
@@duraker1 I would say windows legacy support
I love how Ben gets the touchscreen to work with Windows 10 and immediately turns into the Joker. This is by far my favorite Joker backstory.
#bringbacktheheckcut
“You wanna know how I got these SCARTs?”
“Y-you don’t h-have any scars…”
“No, S.C.A.R.T.”
"I'm too lazy to go upstairs and get my headset."
Said somebody who just reverse engineered a touchscreen.
The most Ben shit I've ever heard.
Priorities!
That didn't require walking up and then back down stairs.
I feel like LGR could pass as Ben's younger brother.
They should get married!
@@dangerotterisrea alabama moment
@@dangerotterisrea why are you gae?
@@canesvenatici9588 a gae.
if a stylus of some sort can work with it, it could be used for tracing an image placed under it
"I should probably write down my results"- the difference between science and fucking around.
I vaguely remember my high school lunch stuff using these over some overstock IBM monitors, punching in orders, sometimes inaccurately... Those were... days...
The "lunch stuff"…
Interesting theory about Windows 9. I had always heard it was because Windows seven eight nine.
I like when you reverse engineer goodwill junk. Keep up the "good" work. :)
I've never seen you SO HAPPY as when you plugged that in and Win10 recognised it! That was such a joy to witness :D
ben's the kind of guy that you would do well to be found with if you were stuck on an alien planet and found a ship capable of escaping that planets atmosphere but you just had to figure out the controls and maybe reconfigure some of the propulsion system
That's cool. You could project with a pico projector inversed from behind (with a sheet of tissue paper) and make a little interactive music display or something.
So... this isn't an episode of LGR Oddware?
If a “Ben Heck’s Favorite 80s & 90s Adult Contemporary Mix” existed I think I would have to buy it.
I had to giggle along with ya, Ben - it found drivers... Oh, windows... :)
It's redeeming itself for the hours / days it made me lose when it didn't find drivers when I used win 98
"Whats wrong with you" says increasingly crazed cat owner as internet viewers begin to worry for his sanity.
We built a ton of machines that used magic touch touchscreens. We opened up the LCD's and mounted the bare touchscreens inside I still have a drawer full of keytec stuff- floppy discs, glass cleaning clothes. I still use them to clean my glasses.
I found one of these in e-recycling a few years ago and added it to my collection. Thanks for the video, now I don't need to take mine apart!
Two 3.5” floppies for 8 ＄ is about the right price nowadays... Nice that they come with a touchscreen!
He might be more inclined to human pointed lasers because our hands aren't steady. He probably sees it bouncing around a tiny bit and interpret it as a bug. But the motors might hold it too still. Maybe try adding in some noise into the servo position?
Or attach a vibrator to the laser to shake it around.
You can use it to build/support a CNC machine controller (or something else). With a non-functional touchscreen tablet or a laptop screen or you can 'draw' fixed buttons on a panel to fit behind the glass. Benefits: No dirt can go inside (the buttons), especially when you make a case for it. I think this find can be still pretty useful.
The sheer amount of joy coming from the old hardware working more or less fine on Windows 10 actually does bring in some strong LGR vibes to it. I approve.
Cue the Xzibit meme "Yo dawg I heard you like touchscreens. So I got you a touchscreen for your touchscreen."
so you can touchscreen while you touchscreen
Ive been tuning in for about 10 years just for your singing.
4:28 you are the only person in the world who has a lot of fun with electronics!!
My college used these ~20 years ago for self-service print kiosks. I find it hilarious that you found one intact at Goodwill.
I found one on E-Bay same price with 15 dollar shipping! it cost more to ship than it's worth? That's the only profit that could be made!
Someday Bud will learn to accept the robot laser.
As soon as Ben said "It works on Windows 10" I got on eBay and bid on one for $3.
A feline laser interface device! Ben wins the internet today.
That enthusiasm is contagious, I love it
Pretty sure this came out in 1999. I say this because the retirement home I taught computers at had one of these on the single computer in their "computer lab." It was always shifted to the side because the tab things weren't stuck down.
And I just looked them up, and they're STILL AROUND. WHAT.
By the way, I believe the reason they had separate drivers for 98 and for ME was because ME added support for Windows Driver Foundation (WDF) drivers. And it is likely for the same reason the device still works in Windows 10 without additional effort.
Could make it act as a custom keyboard. Print your own keys on paper and put it over it and then map the touch points/areas to keys/macros etc?
LGR you need to get one of these for a video, I would watch it for sure!
My parents had a touchscreen addon for their old CRT computer. The screen was made of what looked like screen door screen and it had a pen which plugged into the computer. I don't know the exact computer but it kind of looked like a IBM Model 5150.
Ha! I found one of these magic touch things at goodwill too! Unfortunately I still haven't figured out what to do with it.
Seeing that floppy disk reminds me of my desire to set up a mid-90s virtual machine running windows 3.11 - Complete with a physical floppy drive and magnetic HDD for at least semi-authenticity. :-)
I legit would like like one of those. The fact w10 were able to get it run was cool.
I think I literally sent one of those into LGR a few years ago.
God bless whomever donated this.
Awesome video! really creative using the touchscreen as a cat lazer device
I remember seeing this or at least some thing exactly like this when I was a kid and always wanted it
Hey Ben! Love to see your videos! Been watching your work ever since your early lapinhackintop days! Also I love that your cat's name is Bud, haha! You could use this touch screen to make a sort of interactive map table with!
I wish we had a store like that here
"The second value is the 'h', and the first value is the 'y'." (18:43) Mixing naming conventions again, Ben? Such a Renegade! (Awesome TV show, by the way!)
Wow the touch screen thing is awesome
"You're tearing me apart, eTouch!" lol
Perhaps the greatest irony is that _Ben_ was actually the one tearing the _eTouch_ apart. 😔
Could make some sort of futuristic-looking display panel with it, maybe LCARS style from TNG?
I wonder if Bud was ignoring it because it was held too steady by the robot. There's always just a little bit of motion when handheld, and cats seem keyed to motion.
Possibly? He also got bored quickly with the Pi Pico controlled laser, but if i point a laser with my hand he goes nuts. Odd.
you should be able to directly use the touch screen calibration tool in windows 7 and up to set that up on a 4:3 monitor.
I wonder if that monstrosity would work on a Mac.
lol no way in hell... I would bet my left nut it doesn't
@@k6l2t Well, it is just a USB input device... There's a chance.
It will, the signal is just a plain mouse signal, as specified in the HID mouse protocol over USB.
*neighbours hear mad man cackling and laughing*
"what's that?"
"oh, I'll bet Ben next door has been to Goodwill again!"
Come for the tear down....stay for the 80’s pop culture references, trivia, and original song parodies
I think the sticker for the wrong disks was important, cause the usb stack changed a lot between 98 and ME
4 days later and Ben is probably making his way through 107 newly acquired copies of 'Going Overboard'... lol!
It probably works on Windows 10 because it uses a standard USB device class. This is the same reason that very old USB keyboards and mice still work fine.
I bet you could get it to work on Linux too, and possibly macOS.
Maintaining compatibility might be a concession to bank ATMs that still use this technology.
ben is so happy in this vid
It's been way too long since the days when I had a CRT monitor, so I can't remember how (un)common this tech was. But dang this sort of thing would have been super impressive if I seen it back then. Imagine playing something like Starcraft or Heroes of Might & Magic with this?
Cool pickup (and reverse engineering) - there was a phase in the 90s were touch screen were set to be the next big thing! Then people realised they didnt want smears over their screen lol. Then later we started getting tablets and people weren's so fussed. Why is it that we dont want finger prints on our monitors, but we're OK with them on phones and tablets lol.
Nice, more Heck-rambling! 😁
Can this technology be used to draw sloths?
Seems like an over engineered solution to bias the screen with AC instead of making the voltage gradients go 1 way. Maybe there's a capacitance between the 2 planes they're trying to dissipate. Resistive has had a 2nd life in grocery stores.
nice something to watch with my dinner thanks to ben the great
Finally, Ben gives back to his cat =)
Neat, I keep trying to thing of a use for a touchscreen and inevitably come up with touchscreens as the panultimate purpose. How about a board game overlay, adding digital input for interaction. Or a drawing tablet that moves a physical pen XY and prints as you draw. Unnecessary abstraction meets the silliness quotient.
I thought I was watching LGR and was surprised to see a scope and the Arduino IDE, I never knew he did this kind of stuff. Woke up after seeing a laser controlled by a crap touchscreen ... ah yes it must be Ben.
Could this be good as an education overlay, like enhancing and old fashion book or atlas if coded for the specific page? Anyway, it wouldn’t be as easy to use as your iPhone.
neet, I've been wanting a multi-touch monitor for a while
That is not too bad. It could be an optical break beam array like on old production level Xerox printers. I have actually used those printers and their touch screens.
I was wondering if the screen controller IC was just a mask programmed PIC or similar that has been remarked, but if I counted correctly it's a 30 pin package which is super uncommon. Seems like an unnecessarily high number of pins for the application.
Did you check the comms between the touch controller and the USB bridge? Does it enumerate as a HID device?
Whoop. Yes a cool video while I’m eating my my breakfast. 🥞
Nice! I had one of these as a kid.
The cool thing is that I'm goin' to Goodwill this week.
What would be the five least worse Adam Sandler DVDs you could order with a 20+ year old touchscreen?
Probably his oldest movies where acting like a man baby was less embarrassing since he was in his 20s?
Ben must be rolling in the RUclips bucks, that's like $2 worth of Greenies he just casually pours on the floor
I remember seeing these all the time !! (same with the LCD one) always seemed neat and kinda useless unless your in the workspace
Damn Bud has gotten CHONK living da life
My elementary school had one of these in the computer lab (would've been around '05)! Super cool but I never got to try it because it was only meant for students w motor issues or learning differences
I only want the vids for the singing.....Na seriously love the content. Thanks Ben,
Man, the persistence you have set on the oscilloscope is infuriating for something like this.
Wow two custom chips - that thing must have cost a fortune back in the late 90s.
It was easter for you to set that up then some keyboards I've baght recently lol
You know things are serious when notepad goes full screen.
amazed this works!!!
Shoutout to LGR.... Nice I love this Ben
Man, I saw something that looked like this back around 2003 and just assumed it was from the 80s or early 90s.
Gotta hand it to the patent invention of the touchscreen adapter. It was ahead of its time but if it was made recently, it would be seen as the worst attempt of a cash grab. The oscope capture kind of looks like some type of amplitude shift keying (ASK).
The Element 14 ads hit harder.
This reminds me of a LCD display which you hooked up tp your PC's VGA port and then place it on a overhead projector to to presentations! (B.t.w. I like Bud)
Cat in to the LAZER ZONE. Kitty come right in the LAZER ZONNNNNE!
"Requesting a flyby sir" "Sorry the litter box is full, I repeat litter box is full"
Now you can do a full circle and install AVRUSB on that Arduino to turn it into a pointing device.
Can Arduino's Serial Plotter be set to XY mode to simulate the location within the touchscreen's active area? Oooh, oooh, can you put the scope in XY mode and do the same?
No, wait, mount the touchscreen on the laser rig and see if you can align it like a head's up scope (parralax, I know) to visually see/point to where the laser is...
Clearly I have no life other than to write useless comments on Ben's videos. Seriously, this was a fun video, Ben. Do more like this!
How come it doesn’t sound like Ben?
Bud the cat doesn't chase the laser anymore either he's acclimatised to dad playing with lasers or previous eye damage means he can no longer see it.
“You’re tearing me apart eTouch”
The driver probably works because it's using the USB HID protocol. The drivers for 98/ME were likely because support wasn't as good back then - it's probably not a specialized driver for that hardware.
You could make a drawing tablet with it!
The winter was in the netherlands this year in april
Cool story.