One problem, for certain niche uses: Just last Friday I went to San Francisco to see a concert. I took my RX10iv and on the way in was asked, "Is that a detachable lens?" I answered, "No" and was allowed to take it into the show, where I got some great shots from my seat. The non-detachable lens has allowed me to get my camera into a number of shows where the a6700 would not be allowed. I know this is a real niche use case, but for some of us it is a significant factor.
Well done! I’m often tempted by a used Rx10iv. Image quality is quite good and I love the zoom range. That said, I also like the option of the a6700 and the 75-350. Not too sure of how weather resistant this combo may be in comparison. RX10iv seems quite weatherproof, albeit not perhaps like OM. The overall connivence factor of the Rx10 is a big plus…so a bit of a trade off as you covered so well. I often do long hikes so less weight and volume is key as well. Both options seem similar, albeit the 6700 and lens bigger by a bit when traveling.
When the a6700 was announced I was curious. I was looking at the A7R5, but that is one expensive beast. When the specs were released, I soon realized the a6700 was a mini version of the A7R5. Sold. It met and exceeded my expectations. One has to try out the a6700 to fully realize what a jewel it is. Plus, the sheer number of 1st and 3rd party lenses made for the Sony E-mount make it the overall winner. I am really glad I chose Sony over Nikon, Canon and the rest. It just felt right in the hand and blew me away in performance. And here I am, a Nikon person in the 70s and 80s. Sony really going nuts with their camera line.
I have been disappointed with the results with the OM1 and the OM 100-400 , often soft images, it can give very sharp images but us very inconsistent, I too was considering trying the lumix leica 100-400. I am just back from a two week holiday in North West Australia, restricted on luggage , I took my RX 10iv and my phone, it is still a great camera, autofocus fast and sharp. A fantastic travel option.
The Lumix/Panasonic FZ 1000 Mk2 is still available from B&H for about $900. It has a one-inch sensor, 25-400mm lens with a digital I-zoom reach of 800mm that works quite well. This is a great travel camera and capable of entry level bird photography. That said, I'm sorry to hear the RX 10 Mark 4 is being discontinued.
The Lumix is a good camera, but still no bird recognition or eye-tracking focus. I agree that nothing matches the Rx10iv for an all around travel camera, but or birds and wildlife, which is my primary use. I really want the more sophisticated focus. :)
Interesting analysis! To me the great advantages of RX10 IV is not while using it but when transporting it. The lens retracts into a fairly compact camera and I don't need another lens to cover the full zoom range. When in use I don't mind a bigger combo - actually it can be an advantage ergonomically (as you also say in the video). I'll "always" hope for a RX10 V though with the new AF-functions of other Sony cameras. It's frustrating - they obviously could do a MK V with fairly little effort after implementing the upgraded AF in bunch of other cameras. When it comes to options weight and size get increasingly important as I get older. I started with a Canon film body and 400mm, then a Canon AF film body with a 35-350 (versatile, but not enough reach) and then a Canon crop with a first generation 100-400mm. A good combo at the time but still heavy and BIF was challenging. I switched to MFT when Canon didn't want to take mirrorless seriously and for the smaller sensor/higher pixel density. First combo was the original Olympus E-M5 with 16MP and a Panasonic 100-300mm. This worked surprisingly well when the AF got it right. Not too often wit BIF but with more stationary birds it wasn't too difficult to work around its limitations. And it's the most compact bird-combo I've had except for the RX10. I've never compared IQ to the RX10 though as I now have the Panasonic 100-400 which is a clear upgrade and don't use the 100-300 much. I've been through two E-M1-bodies with gradually improving AF (and size). The (even bigger) OM-1 is the first "Olympus" body I've used with AF that's more or less good enough for BIF. Also, much better at finding birds and other subjects in cluttered environments. I know Sony and Canon AF is even better but not enough better to make me switch systems. OM-1 Mk II is supposed to have improved AF and the latest Panasonic bodies have PD AF too so there are several MFT-options that give fairly compact combos. Still waiting for a E-M5-sized body with the latest AF though. Btw, got to try the Olympus 150-400 Pro and it's an extremely good lens but huge and heavy compared to a 100-300 or 100-400. Not something I could carry around a whole day and internal zoom makes it fixed length and as big even when not in use.
My whole reason for switching was the AI subject recognition and eye tracking auto focus. The 6100 does not have that. Look at a used 6700 and used Sony E 70-350 for a less expensive option.
Mr. Ingraham, did you ever try the panasonic lumix g leica dg vario-elmar 100-400mm on your OM-1? I know the lens stabilization will not work; but the 7 stops in the body should still work. It is weather resistant & very sharp.
Lmfao thanks for making this video 😂 that's so funny, I always thought the a6700 is my dream camera do upgrade from my RX10 IV. Therefore I can fully agree with you that's you really cool look at it that way.
If you carry a scope and binoculars the RX10 iv is the limit on size and weight I can carry comfortably. It’s very disappointing that there isn’t an RX10 v upgrade in the same similar design Nb The as6700 only shoots at 11fps but the RX10 shoots at 24
Hi Stephen, used your settings to set up my Rx10mk4 which I've had for just over a year. Love the camera to bits but am thinking of the Sony A6700. My only concern is the off centre viewfinder. How have you found it? Im right eye dominant and thought would it feel strange balance wise.
A friend made me realize that an off center viewfinder fogs up less when you take photos in lower temps and breathe (I trained myself to hold my breath meanwhile…)
Would you recommend 6700 + tamron lens over the Olympus kit? I’m shooting mostly birds and wildlife and my hit rate with om-1 mark 1 isn’t that great with getting the eye in focus. I might miss pro capture, focus bracketing for macro but I might be tempted to switch for more in focus shots.
I like it better, but I miss the OM-1’s focus stacking. I think the Tamron is better than the OM 100-400, but I am sure the OM 150-400 f4.5 is better than either. I just can’t afford the 150-400. :)
One problem, for certain niche uses: Just last Friday I went to San Francisco to see a concert. I took my RX10iv and on the way in was asked, "Is that a detachable lens?" I answered, "No" and was allowed to take it into the show, where I got some great shots from my seat. The non-detachable lens has allowed me to get my camera into a number of shows where the a6700 would not be allowed. I know this is a real niche use case, but for some of us it is a significant factor.
Thanks for sharing!
That’s knowledgeable security. I once got told off for shooting a concert over a fence with „professional camera” with the RX10 😂
I’m looking to upgrade from the RX10 and you literally answered all my questions. So helpful! I love the internet.
@@choyna Glad I could help.
Excellent analysis, as always. I will certainly take your advice when I feel the need to upgrade from my RX10iv.
Glad to help
Well done! I’m often tempted by a used Rx10iv. Image quality is quite good and I love the zoom range. That said, I also like the option of the a6700 and the 75-350. Not too sure of how weather resistant this combo may be in comparison. RX10iv seems quite weatherproof, albeit not perhaps like OM. The overall connivence factor of the Rx10 is a big plus…so a bit of a trade off as you covered so well. I often do long hikes so less weight and volume is key as well. Both options seem similar, albeit the 6700 and lens bigger by a bit when traveling.
Thank you.
When the a6700 was announced I was curious. I was looking at the A7R5, but that is one expensive beast. When the specs were released, I soon realized the a6700 was a mini version of the A7R5. Sold. It met and exceeded my expectations. One has to try out the a6700 to fully realize what a jewel it is. Plus, the sheer number of 1st and 3rd party lenses made for the Sony E-mount make it the overall winner. I am really glad I chose Sony over Nikon, Canon and the rest. It just felt right in the hand and blew me away in performance. And here I am, a Nikon person in the 70s and 80s. Sony really going nuts with their camera line.
:)
I have been disappointed with the results with the OM1 and the OM 100-400 , often soft images, it can give very sharp images but us very inconsistent, I too was considering trying the lumix leica 100-400.
I am just back from a two week holiday in North West Australia, restricted on luggage , I took my RX 10iv and my phone, it is still a great camera, autofocus fast and sharp. A fantastic travel option.
Thanks for sharing
The Lumix/Panasonic FZ 1000 Mk2 is still available from B&H for about $900. It has a one-inch sensor, 25-400mm lens with a digital I-zoom reach of 800mm that works quite well. This is a great travel camera and capable of entry level bird photography. That said, I'm sorry to hear the RX 10 Mark 4 is being discontinued.
The Lumix is a good camera, but still no bird recognition or eye-tracking focus. I agree that nothing matches the Rx10iv for an all around travel camera, but or birds and wildlife, which is my primary use. I really want the more sophisticated focus. :)
Interesting analysis! To me the great advantages of RX10 IV is not while using it but when transporting it. The lens retracts into a fairly compact camera and I don't need another lens to cover the full zoom range. When in use I don't mind a bigger combo - actually it can be an advantage ergonomically (as you also say in the video). I'll "always" hope for a RX10 V though with the new AF-functions of other Sony cameras. It's frustrating - they obviously could do a MK V with fairly little effort after implementing the upgraded AF in bunch of other cameras.
When it comes to options weight and size get increasingly important as I get older. I started with a Canon film body and 400mm, then a Canon AF film body with a 35-350 (versatile, but not enough reach) and then a Canon crop with a first generation 100-400mm. A good combo at the time but still heavy and BIF was challenging. I switched to MFT when Canon didn't want to take mirrorless seriously and for the smaller sensor/higher pixel density.
First combo was the original Olympus E-M5 with 16MP and a Panasonic 100-300mm. This worked surprisingly well when the AF got it right. Not too often wit BIF but with more stationary birds it wasn't too difficult to work around its limitations. And it's the most compact bird-combo I've had except for the RX10. I've never compared IQ to the RX10 though as I now have the Panasonic 100-400 which is a clear upgrade and don't use the 100-300 much.
I've been through two E-M1-bodies with gradually improving AF (and size). The (even bigger) OM-1 is the first "Olympus" body I've used with AF that's more or less good enough for BIF. Also, much better at finding birds and other subjects in cluttered environments. I know Sony and Canon AF is even better but not enough better to make me switch systems. OM-1 Mk II is supposed to have improved AF and the latest Panasonic bodies have PD AF too so there are several MFT-options that give fairly compact combos. Still waiting for a E-M5-sized body with the latest AF though.
Btw, got to try the Olympus 150-400 Pro and it's an extremely good lens but huge and heavy compared to a 100-300 or 100-400. Not something I could carry around a whole day and internal zoom makes it fixed length and as big even when not in use.
Thanks for this.
Everything so expensive. Maybe a 6100 with that lens?
My whole reason for switching was the AI subject recognition and eye tracking auto focus. The 6100 does not have that. Look at a used 6700 and used Sony E 70-350 for a less expensive option.
Mr. Ingraham, did you ever try the panasonic lumix g leica dg vario-elmar 100-400mm on your OM-1? I know the lens stabilization will not work; but the 7 stops in the body should still work. It is weather resistant & very sharp.
I have never had a chance to try it.
Lmfao thanks for making this video 😂 that's so funny, I always thought the a6700 is my dream camera do upgrade from my RX10 IV. Therefore I can fully agree with you that's you really cool look at it that way.
Glad you liked it!
Exactly, I just sold my RX10 IV. I'm going to get the A6700 with 70-350.
@ Hope you enjoy it. :)
If you carry a scope and binoculars the RX10 iv is the limit on size and weight I can carry comfortably.
It’s very disappointing that there isn’t an RX10 v upgrade in the same similar design
Nb The as6700 only shoots at 11fps but the RX10 shoots at 24
I never use high frame rates anyway…even for BIF or rapid action…I find that I get too many almost identical frames to sort through. Just me.
Hi Stephen, used your settings to set up my Rx10mk4 which I've had for just over a year. Love the camera to bits but am thinking of the Sony A6700. My only concern is the off centre viewfinder. How have you found it? Im right eye dominant and thought would it feel strange balance wise.
It took me about a week to get used to it. Now I don’t notice it anymore at all. Even on BIF.
@@StephenIngraham Thanks for that.
A friend made me realize that an off center viewfinder fogs up less when you take photos in lower temps and breathe (I trained myself to hold my breath meanwhile…)
@ Never thought of that. :)
Would you recommend 6700 + tamron lens over the Olympus kit? I’m shooting mostly birds and wildlife and my hit rate with om-1 mark 1 isn’t that great with getting the eye in focus. I might miss pro capture, focus bracketing for macro but I might be tempted to switch for more in focus shots.
I like it better, but I miss the OM-1’s focus stacking. I think the Tamron is better than the OM 100-400, but I am sure the OM 150-400 f4.5 is better than either. I just can’t afford the 150-400. :)
FYI. The RX10 is discontinued. Grab it if you see one
Unofficial rumor as yet, but likely true.