True. Separate discussion. For your life, what current QB do you want throwing a pass? Most would put at least 1 or 2 of the following ahead of him. Mahomes, Stafford, Allen. Although that is a separate discussion, that is what’s on the mind of those saying Lamar isn’t the MVP.
You can't keep talking about Lamar's numbers last season without mentioning the fact that they were kind of low do to the fact that the Ravens were blowing people out so Lamar sat out the fourth quarter of four games and didn't play in the last game of the season..
@@lexis4490 he's also sat out 4 forth qtrs at least. played every single team in the afc playoffs at least once this season. and also 3 NFC playoff teams.. josh allen has played what 4 playoff teams all year?
Then do the same for the Bills and Josh Allen this year lmao. Allen has sat 5 more quarters than Lamar. Their gap in stats is literally that 1 game’s worth of quarters difference. The only stats Lamar leads in that actually have a marginal gap, is completion percentage and passer rating. Allen makes up for the passer rating gap with a higher QBR and higher EPA than Lamar, and the passer rating difference is that Allen’s receivers are the 2nd worst in the league in separation while Lamar’s are the best.
5 more quarters??? Thats a flat out lie. Anyways, yards per attempt and EPA isn't even close. He also has sat 3 quarters, all of which during blowouts. Allen got benched in the Ravens vs Bills game so we can say there is 1 quarter difference between the two. You think Allen is throwing for more TDs, less picks, and another 500 yards in that singular quarter? Didn't think so
I just want to know why strength of schedule doesn’t matter in the mvp vote. Lamar Jackson year in and year out has to play 7+ playoff teams. Played that many this year.
You right...we would rather talk about an MVP candidate losing to 2 of the worst teams in the league in the Browns and Raiders. Bills beat the Lions and Chiefs but our schedule is weak...GTFOH. Only other winning team in the AFC north are the Steelers....your division is not that tough
@@Jaylife888 And the Ravens lost to the Browns and Raiders 🤫 And don't forget those 2 wins were against the best teams in the AFC and NFC...don't leave out that important information.
Lamar has the 2nd highest passer rating OF ALL TIME how is it even a debate. He also had the 32nd ranked pass defense he had to overcome, not to mention, he murdered the bills head to head
Worst take so far. It’s a yearly award so all time means nothing. Head to head games mean nothing. Get your head out of your ass and just stop being a hater.
@ his passer rating for THIS SEASON is the 2nd best of all time, THIS SEASON 😂 I’m hating but you’re leaving comments about something I said on a RUclips video, weirdo
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The stat nobody talks about, this year and last. Compare total attempts. Allen has 164 more attempts, which is an additional 5.9 games worth more attempts than Lamar. If you extrapolate out the TDs and yards it ISN'T close. Add 15.9 TDs and 1467 total yards. Lamar is SUPER effecient. That's "value."
LMFAOOOO. Allen has sat out 5 more quarters than Lamar. If he played those 5 quarters he would close the passing yard gap and lead Lamar in touchdowns because that gap is so small yet media is making it seem like Lamar is drastically leading statistically when that’s not the case. Allen having more attempts literally means he is more valuable to his team and that Lamar’s team can win off the back of Henry.
He literally only has the rushing yards record for a QB. Josh has the second-most rushing TD's of a QB all time. he has the most total yards for a player through their first seven years of all time. He also has the most total touchdowns through a player's first seven and eight years even though he's only in his seventh season. We're talking about one guy who truly is pacing to be the best dual-threat QB of all time, and one who's pacing to be the best rushing-yardage qb we've ever seen. Different Stratospheres
@@dylanharwood8929 So you're impressed by the tush push? That's the only reason why he has the SECOND most rushing TDs for a QB (Also, being second most doesn't mean he holds the record fyi). Lamar has the 2nd highest passer rating in history right now, with a chance to break it the next game. Lamar has the most rushing yards for a QB in a season, AND in a career (and did it in 41 less games). He also has 4 perfect passer ratings (including the one from this season), tied for most with Big Ben. Allen has 1. Lamar beats Allen in literally every statistical category this season minus rushing TDs, most of which were tush pushes, yet Allen is better? Not to mention Lamar is a 2x MVP (and don't give me that bull crap about Allen deserving it last season, he had 18 picks, was the reason why they lost most of the games they did, and came in 5TH PLACE in voting).
I think it’s important to note that Josh Allen sat 4 whole quarters of football do to such big winning margins. That’s a whole game worth of stats he could have had extra.
Josh Allen 11 total rush TD's Combined yards for rushing TD's = 69 yards Average yards/TD run = 6.2 yards Lamar Jackson 4 Total Rushing TD's Combined yards for rushing TD's = 76 yards Average yards/TD run = 19 yards Also, 5 of Josh Allen's TD's were 1-yard tush pushes Lamar shortest TD run was 9 yards. Josh Allen's Rushing 97 att, 5.3 ave, 514 tot LJ's Rushing 130 att, 6.6 aver, 852 tot
You obviously don’t know how it’s picked. Stats get you looked at. Not going to argue, LJ has better stats in more categories than Josh, but that’s not the end all say all. LJ has way more weapons to include an all pro future HoF’er RB which has completely opened ravens passing allowing Jackson to have this type of year. He’s not as valuable to the ravens as Josh is to the bills.
@@kobeetj so the year past when Josh Allen had help. He wasn’t qualified to win? If he wasn’t a turn over machine you don’t think he would’ve been voted? 🤔 if we looking at team record and help then Mahommes the MVP
@@Messigoat1033 its not one thing its a combination of factors. Individual stats, strength of teammates, team success, and other notables. Both qbs have top tier stats, Allen is 1 pt behind jackson in qbr despite getting less snaps as his team has done better and he's been pulled from more games. The ravens have a better team which means lamar has more help, Henry alone, a future hall of fame rb nearing 2k yards is all I have to say there, the bills have nothing close to that helping Allen. Despite that, the Bills have the better record, they are the 2nd seed in the AFC and have only lost to 3 division leaders, the ravens, the texans and the rams, all on the road, while jackson has lost to the browns and raiders. Allen has had a ton of season highlights, like the 4th and 2 20plus yard td run against the chiefs to end their undefeated run, setting a record of being the only qb to catch, throw and run for a td in a game and setting the record as the only player to score 3tds rushing and passing in a game.
Is anyone going to talk about the strength of schedule of Bills and ravens? 12 of the ravens games have been against teams that are in the playoffs or still in the playoff hunt.
Josh Allen has SIX games where he threw for 182yds or fewer. The Bills are 4 and 2 in those match ups. Lamar has four similar where he threw for 182yds or fewer- all resulting in wins. But here is the difference… If we set aside the two losses and only look at the four games won by Josh (to make an even comparison to Lamar), Josh only accounted for multiple TDs in two of those games (2TDs vs the 49ers and 3TDs vs the Jets this past weekend). In the other two games, Josh only scored once- including in the blowout win vs the Dolphins (31-10). On the other hand- In the four games where Lamar threw for 182yds or fewer, all four resulting in wins, Lamar accounted for THREE touchdowns in 3 of those matchups and two in the other (against Dallas). My point… If we are going to talk about value, one has to consider the Bill’s continued success despite the lack of production from Allen. The Ravens clearly go as number 8 goes. And based on these numbers combined with his overall stats and the eye test, one can clearly see that he has not only been The Most Valuable- he has been the most efficient!
@ 1. That has nothing to do with the argument I just laid out. 2. Prior to the season starting, EVERYONE said that the Ravens would take a step back because (1) they didn’t know what version of Henry they would get because of age, wear and tear, (2) the Ravens are always at the top in rushing so the acquisition would be a push and (3) they lost several defensive starters and the D coordinator. Don’t try to change the narrative now because you see them being successful together. Also, for the first 6 years of their careers Josh Allen had better receivers and an overall better roster than Lamar (except defense in a couple years)… he got NO EXCUSES during those years. So STOP trying to give Allen one.
@ that’s Cap bro. Go back and look at the preseason clips. Everyone was skeptical about Rogers and Tua returning. And the Pats were DEFINITELY expected to finish last. I know folks don’t want to admit it, but Josh benefits from a cupcake division. He should literally expect a minimum of 6wins per year right now.
Another stat that nobody mentions is that Lamar has the 2nd best TD to int ratio in NFL history, only trailing Rodgers, who has a ridiculous lead in that category. Also Lamar is currently the #2 all time passer rating leader in NFL history at 102.1 trailing only Rodgers again, but that probably wont last much longer.
he’s 2 behind Lamar.... but he also sits out in the fourth quarter when they are up big unlike Lamar who still throws for touchdowns in the fourth quarter when they’re up by 30
If it’s really close with Lamar being 2 times MVP and voter fatigue clearly affecting like medial people such as Dan, Tony Romo saying then Lamar has been better but it’s just the fatigue.
I would much rather lose the mvp race to someone who has been clearly better in every statistical category than win an MVP out of pity (aka voter fatigue)
@@lexis4490 So if the Bills lose this last game which would make it 4 losses for them you mean to tell me that would matter..? 1 lose between them.? Yeah that doesn't matter, especially when we're both division winners. Josh Allen haven't done anything special with that weak schedule. And lose head to head against Lamar with a terrible defense!
@@lexis4490 Ask justin tucker, who has made only 73% of his field goals (he's ranked #35 out of 38 kickers) who's directly responsible for at least 2 losses this season.
Them boys desperately want a YT face of the NFL again… it’s sad. How is this even a debate looking at the stats I will never understand. Not too mention the Ravens DESTROYED Buffalo this season. Saquon Barkley is higher than Josh Allen for me #MV3
@@lsslegendgeorge9948 His team was the #1 overall team in the league at the end of the season last year. Josh's team is the #2 seed in the afc this year. Big difference.
If they desperately wanted a YT face then Lamar wouldn’t have won last year considering Allen dogwalked him statistically. Lets see Lamar do it without Derrick Henry 😴
@ then would we not award Mahomes then I mean josh record is similar to last years ravens but Mahomes 15-1 beat Lamar and his numbers are as mid as Lamar’s last year
It ain’t nowhere close the media is doing bs.. Lamar Jackson 3 games with a 150 passer rating Josh Allen zero…Josh Allen 3 games with a 60 passer rating Lamar zero…better record?? Josh Allen plays in the worst division in football the jets patriots and dolphins while Lamar plays in the hardest division in the afc the brutal afc north with the Steelers bengals and browns..The browns will beat the jets and patriots for sure and if they play the dolphins it’ll be a pick ‘em
@@kennyjames4679bengals are .500 BECAUSE of the ravens sweeping them. If those games go the other way and Lamar can’t win the shoot outs bengals would be division champs possibly and burrow would be in mvp discussion. Crazy how little things at the end of games determine things month later
Never in my life I have ever seen the “Wide receivers separation” before when Allen had Diggs and other weapons or when they tried to make an argument for Josh Allen being the second best player in the leage but now he is playing with no star WR we start seeing this. 😂 If Allen is able to win all this games without having an impressive stats then that tells you that maybe his team ain’t as bad and also the schedule he been playing been terrible. 3-2 vs winning team Btw.
lol now this year it’s all about the stats, Lamar had shit stats last year and won the MVP, Allen is definitely more valuable to his his team then Lamar having watched both teams, Lamar fanboys out in full force tho
Non-impressive stats? He has one of the most efficient quarterback seasons in football history, and so Does Lamar. One has won more games and had bigger moments. Their stats are damn near the same. Josh just became the second player in NFL history to have 5 total career seasons of 40-plus touchdowns. Btw this is the fifth season in a row, the only player in NFL history to do it 5 times in a row, as well as the only player to do it 4 times in a row.
You can have CO MVP and there is precedent for both QB/RB - 1997 Barry Sanders & Brett Favre, along with QB/QB - 2003 Peyton Manning & Steve McNair. There’s no need for a singular mvp this year when Lamar, Josh, and Saquon have reached new heights athletically, statistically and in regards to the narrative. This would be the one season to allow a Co MVP.
Josh will win but it will be met with controversy. Most MVP voters will choose Allen simply because he hasn't won the MVP before and his team will be the #2 seed without Diggs and Davis. Furthering the narrative that his outstanding season was done with a whole lot less. Im not saying i agree with it but it will happen, you can book it.
They don’t have dogs and David because the felt that they didn’t need them. Nobody cuts a player they need unless they think they can cope without them. The bills thinks they could win. Diggs 500yds 3 Td and diggs 250yds 2 Td on the season. Yeah they lost a lot in those two.
Stats are so similar so it will go to Josh Allen for having 2 more wins. Not only 2 more wins but he gave the Chiefs their only loss and the Lions one of their 2 losses. Allen has beaten both number 1 seeds in each conference and played great while beating them. It’s Josh Allen’s MVP hands down.
@@brandoisrael3155 2 less TDs and 1 less turnover for Allen. Lamar has more yards sure but the yards don’t mean anything if they don’t turn in to points. Stats are very similar and stats don’t always tell the whole story. This is about Most VALUABLE Player… yards and TDs don’t mean anything if you lose the game. The QB with the most wins and better quality of wins will take the award. If you want to say Lamar is the OPOTY I can probably agree to that with maybe Saquon Barkley and Joe Burrow having an argument as well.
@@AATWT11 they are not similar 😂 Lamar has the 2nd all time passer rating lol Lamar is leading the NFL in qbr lol Lamar is almost at 1k rushing yards and about to throw for 4k with 40 passing tds!!!! Not some qb sneak gimmick tds but passing tds Lamar is about to have that. More yards per attempt, more rushing yards, belt to that ass heads up, more wins against postseason teams 7 wins Allen only beat 2 playoffs teams and lost to 3 teams that made the playoffs. Oh Lamar has 68 completions over Allen’s 63 percent completion rate. Barkley gets Opoy Lamar gets MVP Josh finishes second. Allen doesn’t even have better stats then Darnold he also doesn’t have the number 1 seed, so I don’t want anyone saying better record when they the bills don’t have the best record number 1 seed. That only can be used if the team has the better record.
Lamar is the Steph curry of the mvp he knew it was touchdown too likely before it even said it bro is a polished qb right now he just need that ring 💯💯💯
Lamar is approaching Jordan/Lebron status. You can probably give him the MVP award every year, but they’ll give it to Josh just for a change, even though Lamar should get it.
Why are people acting like this race is close! Josh Allen is not having a CAM Newton 2015 type of season! Thats about the only way you could justify giving him the award over Lamar Jackson! Lamar Jackson is having an Aaron Rodgers MVP type season with 900 rushing yards! And we sitting around talking about joe burrow and josh Allen like they are relevant here!
LJ went 10-1 against teams over .500 last year and had the most touchdowns and yards in those games compared to anyone else against teams over .500 that’s y he won last year. It was more than the numbers. He had the toughest schedule and showed out
exactly they were beating teams so bad he was sitting out the last quarters or so of games when he could’ve been stat padding if he wanted but JA fans act like that never happened
As a bias Raven fan i think Lamar should get it but i think lamars good but not great game today lost him the mvp along with Henry getting 2 tds i think they will go for allen
Nobody last year was historical statistically it's a difference between it being about stats and someone having historical stats. Im also pretty sure both years Lamar is passing the MVP eye test I mean the guy ended the season with a perfect passing rating game
@@brashadcarr6759 just cuz no one was historical doesn't justify his MVP last year. So just give itbto anybody if no one is historical? NO! When will u Lamar fanboys stop jumping through hoops and just admit that Lamar wasnt the MVP last year. If youre grasping at the "MVP eye test" (wtf even is that?") as criteria, its probably time to accept reality.
@stevenjackson7956 yes wins matter. But you can't use "everybody's stats were down" to justify his MVP. Because everybody's stats being down doesn't prevent you from giving the MVP to someone who has the superior stats. And newsflash....it wasn't Lamar
I really don’t see why there’s a debate. Allen is obviously playing amazingly, at a First Team All-Pro level. But Lamar has been beyond insane this season and the only reason there’s even a debate is because of voter fatigue.
But he loss 5 games and looked bad losing besides KC. Loss too the Browns and the Raiders. Bills or allen loss to the Rams and put up 44 points in a loss. We are the second highest scoring team in the NFL.
@@Igotcha79 Raiders loss was bad, Browns are division rival and have a good defence. Ravens blew out Bills 35-10, Allen was benched and followed that performance with 9/30 against the Texans. Allen has two 0 TD games, four bad games in total. Lamar has two poor performances max
Josh Allen’s stats vs the ravens this year was 180 yards in the air, 21 on the ground and 0 total touchdowns with one fumble lost. Check Lamar’s stats for me, thanks. Everyone loves dodging this game
Why do you think a 30 year old running back in Henry is having his most efficient and best year because of the Lamar Jackson effect 🤷💯.... Plus Lamar Jackson is flirting with the highest passer rating NFL history numbers along with breaking Vicks record 💯.... And on the field play is off the charts.....💪Plays like the fumble then stiff arm 300 pound defensive end and throws a strike for a TD is crazy insane ... He's undeniable 🤷💯
Lamar efficiency in his numbers are clearly above joshes and Lamar destroyed josh head to head with a tougher schedule. Saquon is the best back in the league and Josh has the best o line in the league.
Man I don’t want to hear that bs. Matt Ryan had Julio the best receiver at the time. Rodgers had tae Adam’s the best receiver at the time. Kurt Warner had Marshall Faulk the best running back and also finished second in mvp voting behind his qb. Manning had Reggie Wayne, Harrison, Tom had Randy moss and gronk. Stop with this bs narrative bro.
@ lamar is no.1 in twp% (turnover worthy play percentage) meaning he puts the ball in harms way the least, whereas josh allen has the 17th (at least he did before this last game against the jets idk where he ranks now) Josh was also 17th last year which just goes to show that turnovers don’t show the full story, also lamar has 1 more turnover it’s not a big difference, the stats say lamar is better at protecting the ball, i’m using stats cus it’s kind of hard to tell off film alone
Respectfully, is anybody in your legendary and accomplished duo, congratulations to all your careers, I love you guys, but is anybody going to talk about the fact that in Baltimore, the wide receivers are open like nowhere else BECAUSE of Lamar and the threat of his carries? Do you think that Lamar wouldn't do even better with a Chase or a Cooper at wide receiver? That makes him the MVP because he's almost the only quarterback who makes his receivers truly OPEN from the snap! How would your separation be with a QB like Lamar ? And how about his Goat of a kicker's slump, as the guy is still human ?
It’s not an argument. Remember when LJ8 was considered a RB?..Josh Allen has those same stats however he’s in contention! 😂😂 They gotta stop moving the goalpost for Lamar’s success
Josh Allen the mvp period! Not close. Josh will start won’t finish the game. He’s already locked it up. Lamar just stat pads and chokes in big playoff games. They not the same
The MVP race isn't a race, it's a matter of people putting projections out there and being wrong. They said lamar was a running back and Allen was neck and neck with mahomes. One contestant is about to make history while the other is vouching for sympathy awards. Cut the BS, SOS (strength of schedule) matters. Imagine the bills record this year if they played the steelers, bengals and browns tiwce along with the commanders, texans, chiefs, eagles, broncos, chargers - that alone 5 losses doesn't sound bad the AFC least has never been good. Because the voters said Allen didn't have nobody before the szn started the expectation was STILL the bills are getting out of the AFC lol. 1. Lamar has beaten Allen h2h and is beating him in passing tds, qbr, passer rating, rushing yards, passing yards, total touchdowns all while having lower interception count with a higher passer count than josh, while josh beats him in rushing touchdowns and having the advantage of 2 things only (skin tone and 13 secs game clock chiefs game he lost). I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Allen has been the front runner for 3 weeks now when he hasn't done ANYTHING spectatacular stats wise or team wise, The chiefs lost 1 game! He went 9/30 and had the worst game this year by any QB BY FAR. At no point in the last 4 years had Josh been spectacular yardage is fine and dandy but are you gonna count all them interceptions that come with it? We are trying to force someone into elite status that just isn't there yet and its okay, just stop trying to act like he's something he isn't. He went 4306 yards 29 pass td 18 int 15 rush td last year 2022 - 4283 yards 35 pass td 14 int 7 rush td, 2021- 4407 yards 36 pass 15 int 6 rush td and 2020 4544 yards 37 pass td 10 int 8 rush td. His team has never clinched the 1 seed, Aaron Rodgers obliterated his stats in 2020-2021 having less than 6 ints both times while putting up better numbers and better team record- do not blame lamar for literally demolishing every great opponent last year and being a surgeon in the backfield. Two things are true and imma stop typing, 1. People hate lamar for being black and overcoming odds, and 2) People know Josh will never eclipse lamar if he wins another MVP. You even had this one chick say he wasn't "quarterbacky" enough but is about to have over 40 passing touchdowns and less than 4 interceptions, oh wait add 900 rush yards to it as well.. if that's not the MVP you are outta your damn mind. DO a blind stat side by side without showing the name or team with team record and everyone would vote Lamar. Notice how it’s now “Total Touchdowns - Turnovers” VS “Passing touchdowns- interceptions “ because we know anyone with 2 eyes would know 39-4 with the 2nd highest passer rating EVER and top 3 QBR in the NFL is more impressive than 28-6 with 7 -5 yard rushing touchdowns along with 4 rushing touchdowns. Just let me know where Josh has had a better MVP season than lamar, I'm seriously waiting, one more thing ask yourself if the roles were reversed and Allen had Lamar numbers would ya'll cape for Lamar being the MVP? Or would you be real with yourself and tip your hat to Josh Allen. I rest my case
Lamar has exceeded all expectations because people didn’t see him as a good enough qb. Y’all act like Josh Allen and pat were always on the same lvl he was disappointing early on. Lamar wasn’t the best Qb statistically last year but still won because he had a great team record and better team. Josh has done pretty good with less talent and with players leaving. The MVP isn’t just stats if it was Lamar would’ve been in the lead. Lamar wasn’t the best passer he evolve, he was already a dynamic runner and he got even better. Lamar should be in considered because he is very valuable to the ravens but let’s not act like they don’t have a talented roster primarily offensively. Strength of schedule matters less unless you’re still winning a lot. Head to head is more lenient earlier because chemistry is still forming but won’t be too mad if you include that. The race card isn’t moving forward because he alr got 2 mvps possible a 3rd all he needs is a ring. Yeah Lamar was mostly unfairly and some fairly criticized. Mahomes will be the face of the nfl for a bit, the next golden boy, but he’s not black enough apparently. Plus the rise of other black qb’s but I’ll leave it at that. If Josh and Lamar switched places yeah I’m sure there would be few hypocrites. That all falls flat though because that was literally last season if it was stats Dak could have won mvp, but Lamar was more valuable overall. The Josh hate is stupid for yall to have your race wars. Josh needs to get a damn ring too. Besides that Josh is elite whether you like it or not, him and Lamar have been close to each other’s level for a few years now.
@@jordanwilliams9222 you said a whole bunch of nothing just then. Almost should’ve just never responded. I gave you numbers and you gave me insignificant talking points that doesn’t matter. The facts are and about the only thing you said right was that the JA narrative was he him and Mahomes being neck and neck. Dak didn’t win last year Because he didn’t lock up the 1 seed in the NFC. Lamar did. His stats weren’t that impressive either, we’ve seen it before and his team was mediocre, Lamar has 39-4 , 43-4 if you include rushing. That’s historic with 1 game left and a possible 1K rushing yards along with it … that shit ain’t close gang. While playing better, while having MVP moments.. and these weapons yall speak upon, were they there last year, the year before or before that? All of a sudden he has the best weapons in the league right and he didn’t make them better? They just were already made men eh. Nobody said give Lamar diggs, and the #1 defense that Allen has had for 3 years and fell short. Lamar won MVPs with shitty team’s offensively. An offense solely predicated on him putting the team on his back passing + running. JA does one season where his RB is second in touchdowns, he has 7 touchdowns under 5 yards and y’all just act like shakir, Kincaid and Coleman who was a first rounder are just some bust?😂 don’t forget Amari Cooper. This wouldn’t be an argument if Allen locked up the 1 seed.. I would say cool. His MVP case is just like Lamar’s last year. But he didn’t lock shit up, Lamar has better numbers. A historic QBR + Passer rating, A higher TD-INT ratio, beat him h2h and if y’all wanna say that doesn’t matter because it was early, then you can’t say that Lamar’s (Likely half an inch on the white line) loss to Mahomes is invalid. That was the first game of the szn buddy? They didn’t even know how to utilize Henry and had a trash ass defense for the first 8 games of the szn 😂. Not to mention Justin Tucker losing 2 games back to back missing field goals. All I’m saying is Allen hasn’t been impressive based on those premises and nobody has told me otherwise. Ok? This man had a game in the snow? Where he caught a pass ok wow beautiful.. still equates to one win on the scale. Beat Mahomes coming off a grueling game before and a lions team who defense was dismantled then got handled by my Rams the next game. He’s cool but let’s not forget the AFC teams he’s played and once again switch the schedules and the bills are looking like the bengals right now.
@ imma stop you I’m didn’t read all that and I’m not gonna respond with an essay again lol. You said you’re right so you’re right you laid down the important and unimportant stats so you got it. Since he’s playing at constant mvp levels I won’t say I hope he wins a ring I expect it. I get comparing stats and strength of schedule and moments, but you obviously have a heavy bias downplaying Josh Allen “snow game” like people didn’t rave about Lamar killing the Texans. I just don’t mind either winning, but do you.
@@matthewwilliams4168oh like a bottom 5 defense and JT that can't make a FG for the first 10 weeks of the season but yet the Ravens overcame that. While JA goes 9/30 and can't even score against that same bottom 5 defense.
@FollowerOfChrist365 lamar has a running back that's got 1800 yards and 2 receivers drafted in first round! And ravens defence ranks 15th that's 7 more than the bills defence 😂
How many more quarters has Lamar played than Josh? Check it out. Josh sat for entire quarters in games where he was DOMINATING! What would his states looked like if he played those quarters? Ridiculous to just compare stats when this is the case.
I'm would give it to Josh Allen this year, since last year when Allen had arguably a better statistical season people said Lamar had the better team record so he did more... Well the shoes on the foot and got to keep that same energy now 😂
the reason lamar won last year is because he was the MVP, most valuable to his team and he played much better than Dak, this years gap between lamar and josh is closer than last years between lamar and dak
@Questionsoftheday no, it's because he isn't running over LBs and safeties. That's it. One guy that literally carries the team? Literally? This means something is wrong with the team. Doesn't make him MVP. Coming from a different perspective. So numbers don't matter? I wish they'd just come out and say that. Bakers gameplay is just as impressive as Allen.
Baker is spreading the ball around to everyone and not making it about himself. The very definition of MVP, unlike Josh Allen.. if ppl would just think outside the damn box.
3:42 we said good stats ain’t matter because he was sitting out every 4th quarter because they were blowing teams out and not just any teams the teams they swore were the best in the league at that time till he came through
And Lamar has a better team and choked against the 2 worst teams and let's not forget about the steelers kicking fgs all game and winning oh and the 5 qrts allen sat out Lamar has 100 more snaps than allen and 3 more tds 3 lmao outa 100 more snaps 🙄
@@bauer_lives5196if someone said the Bills wasn't going to make the playoffs they should have never said that. Have you not seen that division for the last couple years. That's an excuse to give it to JOSH MVPitty
If im the pats, i lose out, swap the #1 to the #2-#5 for 2 future 1st, swap the #2-5 to the #9-#13 for a player and more picks and select the best player available at #9-#13 unless im getting another really good offer.
There really shouldn’t be argument. It should be Lamar but he won’t win because he has already won twice and they will feel obligated to give it to Allen.
You can have CO MVP and there is precedent for both QB/RB - 1997 Barry Sanders & Brett Favre, along with QB/QB - 2003 Peyton Manning & Steve McNair. There’s no need for a singular mvp this year when Lamar, Josh, and Saquon have reached new heights athletically, statistically and in regards to the narrative. This would be the one season to allow a Co MVP.
Bro please tell me what has Josh accomplish this year compared to Lamar and Saquon? Them 2 on a historical run but can you really say the same for Josh?
Lamar was the MVP last year cause of the way it looked when he played, this is his 2nd year in this offense he’s the best player in the league right now. Josh is having the same kind of year but Lamar just looks better when you turn the tape on
Josh will play a few snaps then sit, but if Jackson demolishes the powerhouse Browns, MVP is a lock? Josh blew out so many teams he hasn't even played every 4th quarter. WTF are we even talking about? Josh wasn't even supposed to sniff the playoffs yet here we are.
Lamar has way better numbers how is this “close” 😂 And he beat the brakes off Josh earlier in the season Lamar also faced the afc north 6 times! Josh faced the afc east 😂 I really don’t understand how the media is pushing this Josh Allen mvp thing Joe burrow has better numbers than Josh too.
If it comes down to the last game, how about we go with the guy who put himself and his team in the position to rest bc they took care of business instead of losing to inferior division teams
The only reason why Lamar wouldn’t get it is voter fatigue and the historical precedent. No player in NFL history won their 3rd MVP before winning their first Super Bowl. It’s kinda like the Jokic situation in the NBA where they didn’t give him his 3rd MVP in a row.
All 4 of Lamar’s interceptions hit his receivers hands. ALL FOUR! Insane.
Almost. 3. The 4th one was arguably Bate's fault, but he didn't touch it.
Some of Josh interceptions were caused by drops as well
#15 from the cheifs hit Lamar and Allen all across the head the last 5 years
I’m just happy some people actually Watchin the games instead of just on here talkin! He should have 0 picks
True. Separate discussion. For your life, what current QB do you want throwing a pass?
Most would put at least 1 or 2 of the following ahead of him. Mahomes, Stafford, Allen.
Although that is a separate discussion, that is what’s on the mind of those saying Lamar isn’t the MVP.
My man said somebody gotta have an extracurricular day 😂
Got me cracking up. Ocho something else lol
You can't keep talking about Lamar's numbers last season without mentioning the fact that they were kind of low do to the fact that the Ravens were blowing people out so Lamar sat out the fourth quarter of four games and didn't play in the last game of the season..
Then we should count for him playing more because his team may lose, and in fact did lose 5 times. 😊
@@lexis4490 he's also sat out 4 forth qtrs at least. played every single team in the afc playoffs at least once this season. and also 3 NFC playoff teams.. josh allen has played what 4 playoff teams all year?
ik whoever them nfl scouts that was asking him to “switch positions” feeling dumb asf now😂
Then do the same for the Bills and Josh Allen this year lmao. Allen has sat 5 more quarters than Lamar. Their gap in stats is literally that 1 game’s worth of quarters difference. The only stats Lamar leads in that actually have a marginal gap, is completion percentage and passer rating. Allen makes up for the passer rating gap with a higher QBR and higher EPA than Lamar, and the passer rating difference is that Allen’s receivers are the 2nd worst in the league in separation while Lamar’s are the best.
5 more quarters??? Thats a flat out lie. Anyways, yards per attempt and EPA isn't even close. He also has sat 3 quarters, all of which during blowouts. Allen got benched in the Ravens vs Bills game so we can say there is 1 quarter difference between the two. You think Allen is throwing for more TDs, less picks, and another 500 yards in that singular quarter? Didn't think so
I just want to know why strength of schedule doesn’t matter in the mvp vote.
Lamar Jackson year in and year out has to play 7+ playoff teams. Played that many this year.
Because Bills fans don't want to talk abou that.
You right...we would rather talk about an MVP candidate losing to 2 of the worst teams in the league in the Browns and Raiders. Bills beat the Lions and Chiefs but our schedule is weak...GTFOH. Only other winning team in the AFC north are the Steelers....your division is not that tough
@@bennyblanco1236Allen is 2-4 vs play offs teams this year😂😂
@@Jaylife888I’ve heard no one on any major sport platform mention this stat.. That’s insane
@@Jaylife888 And the Ravens lost to the Browns and Raiders 🤫 And don't forget those 2 wins were against the best teams in the AFC and NFC...don't leave out that important information.
Lamar has the 2nd highest passer rating OF ALL TIME how is it even a debate. He also had the 32nd ranked pass defense he had to overcome, not to mention, he murdered the bills head to head
That was a Derrick Henry game… Plus the bills were missing half of their defense and multiple other key players. Go back and look at the tape
@ cope 😘
Worst take so far. It’s a yearly award so all time means nothing. Head to head games mean nothing. Get your head out of your ass and just stop being a hater.
@@kobeetja year is time goofy pick a better qb
@ his passer rating for THIS SEASON is the 2nd best of all time, THIS SEASON 😂 I’m hating but you’re leaving comments about something I said on a RUclips video, weirdo
The stat nobody talks about, this year and last. Compare total attempts. Allen has 164 more attempts, which is an additional 5.9 games worth more attempts than Lamar. If you extrapolate out the TDs and yards it ISN'T close. Add 15.9 TDs and 1467 total yards. Lamar is SUPER effecient. That's "value."
LMFAOOOO. Allen has sat out 5 more quarters than Lamar. If he played those 5 quarters he would close the passing yard gap and lead Lamar in touchdowns because that gap is so small yet media is making it seem like Lamar is drastically leading statistically when that’s not the case. Allen having more attempts literally means he is more valuable to his team and that Lamar’s team can win off the back of Henry.
@@skinnymelodont speak the truth .. tha “brothas” cant handle it .. sad shit is so bias
Excellent point
@@skinnymeloexcuse me… Lamar sat out 4th Q of Bucs, Broncos, Titans, Giants, and BILLS blowout…..
@@KyleMason-u6v excuse me… Lamar sat out 4th Q of Bucs, Broncos, Titans, Giants, and BILLS blowout…..
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Lamar Jackson been more historic every time he rush he extending QB record that he may get to 10k one day
He literally only has the rushing yards record for a QB. Josh has the second-most rushing TD's of a QB all time. he has the most total yards for a player through their first seven years of all time. He also has the most total touchdowns through a player's first seven and eight years even though he's only in his seventh season. We're talking about one guy who truly is pacing to be the best dual-threat QB of all time, and one who's pacing to be the best rushing-yardage qb we've ever seen. Different Stratospheres
@ Josh Allen has never been better at football then Lamar at any level
@@dylanharwood8929 So you're impressed by the tush push? That's the only reason why he has the SECOND most rushing TDs for a QB (Also, being second most doesn't mean he holds the record fyi). Lamar has the 2nd highest passer rating in history right now, with a chance to break it the next game. Lamar has the most rushing yards for a QB in a season, AND in a career (and did it in 41 less games). He also has 4 perfect passer ratings (including the one from this season), tied for most with Big Ben. Allen has 1. Lamar beats Allen in literally every statistical category this season minus rushing TDs, most of which were tush pushes, yet Allen is better? Not to mention Lamar is a 2x MVP (and don't give me that bull crap about Allen deserving it last season, he had 18 picks, was the reason why they lost most of the games they did, and came in 5TH PLACE in voting).
@@dylanharwood8929 and Josh has inflated rushing tds but that’s fine. He can have that. Lamar has records that won’t be touched:
@@dylanharwood8929anyone who thinks Lamar isnt the greatest dual threat ever is outing themselves so hard 😂
I think it’s important to note that Josh Allen sat 4 whole quarters of football do to such big winning margins. That’s a whole game worth of stats he could have had extra.
Josh Allen
11 total rush TD's
Combined yards for rushing TD's = 69 yards
Average yards/TD run = 6.2 yards
Lamar Jackson
4 Total Rushing TD's
Combined yards for rushing TD's = 76 yards
Average yards/TD run = 19 yards
Also, 5 of Josh Allen's TD's were 1-yard tush pushes
Lamar shortest TD run was 9 yards.
Josh Allen's Rushing 97 att, 5.3 ave, 514 tot
LJ's Rushing
130 att, 6.6 aver, 852 tot
Also, LJ had a harder schedule. Josh strength of schedule was a piece of cake essentially
Now to average pass TD yards saw Lamar throwing a lot of short TDs funny how JCook has more TDs then DHenry on half the yards
You obviously don’t know how it’s picked. Stats get you looked at. Not going to argue, LJ has better stats in more categories than Josh, but that’s not the end all say all. LJ has way more weapons to include an all pro future HoF’er RB which has completely opened ravens passing allowing Jackson to have this type of year. He’s not as valuable to the ravens as Josh is to the bills.
@@kobeetj so the year past when Josh Allen had help. He wasn’t qualified to win? If he wasn’t a turn over machine you don’t think he would’ve been voted? 🤔 if we looking at team record and help then Mahommes the MVP
@@Messigoat1033 its not one thing its a combination of factors. Individual stats, strength of teammates, team success, and other notables. Both qbs have top tier stats, Allen is 1 pt behind jackson in qbr despite getting less snaps as his team has done better and he's been pulled from more games. The ravens have a better team which means lamar has more help, Henry alone, a future hall of fame rb nearing 2k yards is all I have to say there, the bills have nothing close to that helping Allen. Despite that, the Bills have the better record, they are the 2nd seed in the AFC and have only lost to 3 division leaders, the ravens, the texans and the rams, all on the road, while jackson has lost to the browns and raiders. Allen has had a ton of season highlights, like the 4th and 2 20plus yard td run against the chiefs to end their undefeated run, setting a record of being the only qb to catch, throw and run for a td in a game and setting the record as the only player to score 3tds rushing and passing in a game.
Is anyone going to talk about the strength of schedule of Bills and ravens? 12 of the ravens games have been against teams that are in the playoffs or still in the playoff hunt.
Also Josh plays in a cupcake division like cmon yo idk how people are this blind
Don’t forget Lamar can also have the highest qbr in history
Also 2 playoff wins for a 2x mvp
@@TaiLePhanwhat it’s like hating on a guy who doesn’t know you exist in your free time? Kinda weird
Last year it was about eye test and record but this year it’s about stats.
Lamar shouldn’t have won last year but because it’s Josh Allen’s turn saquen doesn’t get any love?
"OCHO, for me I got Josh Allen as my MVP front runner with Saquan right on his heels" - Shannon(2 weeks ago)
Sooo he got new info and changed his mind. What's wrong with that? Are you supposed to not change your mind, even when new information is presented?
@enorris768 "I've said this for the past 3-4 weeks, it's a toss up between Josh and Lamar" - Shannon
@@enorris768 what new information? Lamar has been the same all season? When he was leading the MVP race he didn't change, he had a bye week lol
Ravens beat Bills 35-10
7 def starters missing, Lamar lost to Minshew
So. lol. You have no idea how MVP is judged with that DA comments
@@chrish655 By that logic Rodgers should have not been MVP in 2021 bc he lost to the 3-13 lions. What other bad takes do you believe?
@@kobeetj 50 sports writer's vote for MVP. Please tell me how they vote, I'm sure you know
@@chrish655Allen lost to Texans😮 Ravens destroyed them 31-2😮
Josh Allen has SIX games where he threw for 182yds or fewer. The Bills are 4 and 2 in those match ups.
Lamar has four similar where he threw for 182yds or fewer- all resulting in wins. But here is the difference…
If we set aside the two losses and only look at the four games won by Josh (to make an even comparison to Lamar), Josh only accounted for multiple TDs in two of those games (2TDs vs the 49ers and 3TDs vs the Jets this past weekend). In the other two games, Josh only scored once- including in the blowout win vs the Dolphins (31-10).
On the other hand- In the four games where Lamar threw for 182yds or fewer, all four resulting in wins, Lamar accounted for THREE touchdowns in 3 of those matchups and two in the other (against Dallas). My point…
If we are going to talk about value, one has to consider the Bill’s continued success despite the lack of production from Allen. The Ravens clearly go as number 8 goes. And based on these numbers combined with his overall stats and the eye test, one can clearly see that he has not only been The Most Valuable- he has been the most efficient!
@ 1. That has nothing to do with the argument I just laid out.
2. Prior to the season starting, EVERYONE said that the Ravens would take a step back because (1) they didn’t know what version of Henry they would get because of age, wear and tear, (2) the Ravens are always at the top in rushing so the acquisition would be a push and (3) they lost several defensive starters and the D coordinator.
Don’t try to change the narrative now because you see them being successful together. Also, for the first 6 years of their careers Josh Allen had better receivers and an overall better roster than Lamar (except defense in a couple years)… he got NO EXCUSES during those years. So STOP trying to give Allen one.
@ that’s Cap bro. Go back and look at the preseason clips. Everyone was skeptical about Rogers and Tua returning. And the Pats were DEFINITELY expected to finish last. I know folks don’t want to admit it, but Josh benefits from a cupcake division. He should literally expect a minimum of 6wins per year right now.
Another stat that nobody mentions is that Lamar has the 2nd best TD to int ratio in NFL history, only trailing Rodgers, who has a ridiculous lead in that category.
Also Lamar is currently the #2 all time passer rating leader in NFL history at 102.1 trailing only Rodgers again, but that probably wont last much longer.
It’s crazy Allen got 11 rushing tds and steal not leadin in total tds. Idk how this close
Tush push tds is most of that 11
he’s 2 behind Lamar.... but he also sits out in the fourth quarter when they are up big unlike Lamar who still throws for touchdowns in the fourth quarter when they’re up by 30
@@krw73 3rd behind Lamar and Burrow
@@stevenjackson7956 I meant he's 2 TDs behind him
From the one yard line.
The race isn't close at all. In fact, it should be between Lamar and Shaq. They're both have historical seasons
If it’s really close with Lamar being 2 times MVP and voter fatigue clearly affecting like medial people such as Dan, Tony Romo saying then Lamar has been better but it’s just the fatigue.
I would much rather lose the mvp race to someone who has been clearly better in every statistical category than win an MVP out of pity (aka voter fatigue)
I don’t understand a MVP having 5 losses suddenly don’t matter. I don’t get it.
@@lexis4490 So if the Bills lose this last game which would make it 4 losses for them you mean to tell me that would matter..? 1 lose between them.? Yeah that doesn't matter, especially when we're both division winners. Josh Allen haven't done anything special with that weak schedule. And lose head to head against Lamar with a terrible defense!
@@lexis4490 Ask justin tucker, who has made only 73% of his field goals (he's ranked #35 out of 38 kickers) who's directly responsible for at least 2 losses this season.
Other words they tired of a black man being great let’s just call it what it is
What about the face off between lamar Jackson vs Josh allen . Lamar won the face off
henry won that matchup go look at the box score.
So Saquan should be over Lamar then he won the head to head it’s so easy to poke holes in your argument
@@maisonmargielademon2915bronem… this conversation is about Lamar and Josh. I’m sorry but whatever seqoun does, he’s not winning
@@Isayuh2003 So head to head the Ravens beat the Bills. So why does the Ravens have 5 losses?
@@kennyjames4679 Lamar had 3 tds with 200 total yards 72 percent completion 135 passer rating 65 qbr????? That’s not dominating???????
Lamar. Period.
Not mentioning the Rams when talking about teams with 2 WR1 is criminal. They are the best WR duo in the league.
Them boys desperately want a YT face of the NFL again… it’s sad. How is this even a debate looking at the stats I will never understand. Not too mention the Ravens DESTROYED Buffalo this season. Saquon Barkley is higher than Josh Allen for me #MV3
Why y’all bringing in race the media love Lamar they give him mvp last year for having 25 tuddys throwing and 29 total 😂
@@lsslegendgeorge9948 His team was the #1 overall team in the league at the end of the season last year. Josh's team is the #2 seed in the afc this year. Big difference.
If they desperately wanted a YT face then Lamar wouldn’t have won last year considering Allen dogwalked him statistically. Lets see Lamar do it without Derrick Henry 😴
@ then would we not award Mahomes then I mean josh record is similar to last years ravens but Mahomes 15-1 beat Lamar and his numbers are as mid as Lamar’s last year
Lamar literally has 2 and possibly 3 MVPs but you’re mad because a white might guy win it😂😂😂😂
It ain’t nowhere close the media is doing bs.. Lamar Jackson 3 games with a 150 passer rating Josh Allen zero…Josh Allen 3 games with a 60 passer rating Lamar zero…better record?? Josh Allen plays in the worst division in football the jets patriots and dolphins while Lamar plays in the hardest division in the afc the brutal afc north with the Steelers bengals and browns..The browns will beat the jets and patriots for sure and if they play the dolphins it’ll be a pick ‘em
The steelers are frauds, the bengals are .500 and the browns are a tire fire, gtfo with the brutal afc north.😂
@@kennyjames4679better than the Bills division 🤣🤣🤣
@@kennyjames4679bengals are .500 BECAUSE of the ravens sweeping them. If those games go the other way and Lamar can’t win the shoot outs bengals would be division champs possibly and burrow would be in mvp discussion. Crazy how little things at the end of games determine things month later
Haha I forgot Passer Rating is what wins you games clearly.
Travis Hunter should definitely be the 1st pick anyway. He’s that good
100pct mid
It seems like these guys are completely ignorant. Like ocho doesn’t even know that Allen is sitting
Or he knows and wants to continue to pad Lamar’s stats and make a baseless argument that he is more deserving.
The Patriots should take Travis Hunter with that #1 pick.. Having him and Gonzalez at corner would make them absolutely deadly to pass against..
Never in my life I have ever seen the “Wide receivers separation” before when Allen had Diggs and other weapons or when they tried to make an argument for Josh Allen being the second best player in the leage but now he is playing with no star WR we start seeing this. 😂 If Allen is able to win all this games without having an impressive stats then that tells you that maybe his team ain’t as bad and also the schedule he been playing been terrible. 3-2 vs winning team Btw.
Allen’s reliever is top 3 in YAC
lol now this year it’s all about the stats, Lamar had shit stats last year and won the MVP, Allen is definitely more valuable to his his team then Lamar having watched both teams, Lamar fanboys out in full force tho
Non-impressive stats? He has one of the most efficient quarterback seasons in football history, and so Does Lamar. One has won more games and had bigger moments. Their stats are damn near the same. Josh just became the second player in NFL history to have 5 total career seasons of 40-plus touchdowns. Btw this is the fifth season in a row, the only player in NFL history to do it 5 times in a row, as well as the only player to do it 4 times in a row.
Did Allen lose to the browns and raiders?😂 And who else beat the chiefs this year?
@ Who else beat the team that beat the chiefs? The team Josh Allen went 9-30?
13:35 , dirty macking ahh. 😂😂
😂😂
Lamar Jackson > Josh Allen
yup rn he got it
You can have CO MVP and there is precedent for both QB/RB - 1997 Barry Sanders & Brett Favre, along with QB/QB - 2003 Peyton Manning & Steve McNair. There’s no need for a singular mvp this year when Lamar, Josh, and Saquon have reached new heights athletically, statistically and in regards to the narrative. This would be the one season to allow a Co MVP.
@@youngblood4127 Lamar and Saquon both getting it but not Josh is a good outcome. I don’t think upstate NY would be able to recover from that.
If Lamar wins MVP, then he will have more MVPs than playoff wins. The MVP vote is the real Super Bowl for Ravens fans 😂
You got em upset na!🤣🍺🍻
Preeeeech unc 😂😂😂 negotiation skills is serious
Josh will win but it will be met with controversy. Most MVP voters will choose Allen simply because he hasn't won the MVP before and his team will be the #2 seed without Diggs and Davis. Furthering the narrative that his outstanding season was done with a whole lot less. Im not saying i agree with it but it will happen, you can book it.
They don’t have dogs and David because the felt that they didn’t need them. Nobody cuts a player they need unless they think they can cope without them. The bills thinks they could win. Diggs 500yds 3 Td and diggs 250yds 2 Td on the season. Yeah they lost a lot in those two.
Stats are so similar so it will go to Josh Allen for having 2 more wins. Not only 2 more wins but he gave the Chiefs their only loss and the Lions one of their 2 losses. Allen has beaten both number 1 seeds in each conference and played great while beating them. It’s Josh Allen’s MVP hands down.
@@AATWT11 they not similar 😂
@@brandoisrael3155 2 less TDs and 1 less turnover for Allen. Lamar has more yards sure but the yards don’t mean anything if they don’t turn in to points. Stats are very similar and stats don’t always tell the whole story. This is about Most VALUABLE Player… yards and TDs don’t mean anything if you lose the game. The QB with the most wins and better quality of wins will take the award. If you want to say Lamar is the OPOTY I can probably agree to that with maybe Saquon Barkley and Joe Burrow having an argument as well.
@@AATWT11did they stats look similar in the head to head matchup?
@@AATWT11 they are not similar 😂 Lamar has the 2nd all time passer rating lol
Lamar is leading the NFL in qbr lol
Lamar is almost at 1k rushing yards and about to throw for 4k with 40 passing tds!!!! Not some qb sneak gimmick tds but passing tds Lamar is about to have that. More yards per attempt, more rushing yards, belt to that ass heads up, more wins against postseason teams 7 wins Allen only beat 2 playoffs teams and lost to 3 teams that made the playoffs. Oh Lamar has 68 completions over Allen’s 63 percent completion rate. Barkley gets Opoy Lamar gets MVP Josh finishes second. Allen doesn’t even have better stats then Darnold he also doesn’t have the number 1 seed, so I don’t want anyone saying better record when they the bills don’t have the best record number 1 seed. That only can be used if the team has the better record.
@@brandoisrael3155 Passer rating is shit stat to compare.
Lamar is the Steph curry of the mvp he knew it was touchdown too likely before it even said it bro is a polished qb right now he just need that ring 💯💯💯
Unc we can’t be doing no pillow talking baby!!! That’s going against man code🤣🤣🤣🤣
No matter who wins it, its been an MVP race for the ages. Can't remember the last time it was this close
Well what about the co MVP year(Barry Sanders and Brett Favre)🤷🏿
@@vincente4570 I wasn't even alive for that one dawg
"Jermaine Whatever his name is..." 😅
Josh Allen has been pulled after the 3rd qtr multiple times because of big leads
Lamar is approaching Jordan/Lebron status. You can probably give him the MVP award every year, but they’ll give it to Josh just for a change, even though Lamar should get it.
Stop it. They won when it mattered. He’s approaching Aaron Rodgers status, stacking up MVP and not finishing the job in the playoffs
@@readyt0huntLeBron at Lamar’s age had no rings. He won his first ring at 28.
Why are people acting like this race is close! Josh Allen is not having a CAM Newton 2015 type of season! Thats about the only way you could justify giving him the award over Lamar Jackson! Lamar Jackson is having an Aaron Rodgers MVP type season with 900 rushing yards! And we sitting around talking about joe burrow and josh Allen like they are relevant here!
Shows you the power of the media bro. This race isn’t even close. Lamar is literally having a damn near unanimous mvp season
LJ went 10-1 against teams over .500 last year and had the most touchdowns and yards in those games compared to anyone else against teams over .500 that’s y he won last year. It was more than the numbers. He had the toughest schedule and showed out
exactly they were beating teams so bad he was sitting out the last quarters or so of games when he could’ve been stat padding if he wanted but JA fans act like that never happened
Bills went 5-1 last year against playoff teams. He also sat 4-5 quarters last year lol.
As a bias Raven fan i think Lamar should get it but i think lamars good but not great game today lost him the mvp along with Henry getting 2 tds i think they will go for allen
They should not he had a mid season look a the stats
Didn’t the Ravens smoke the Bills in their face-off 🤨🤔
Lamar and the and the ravens have faced way better competition then Allen and the bills this season
It’s not Josh Allen’s fault that his division is shitty. So u go hold that against em though🤷🏿
when lamar got it and was like qb 15 remember it’s “not about stats”
Nobody last year was historical statistically it's a difference between it being about stats and someone having historical stats. Im also pretty sure both years Lamar is passing the MVP eye test I mean the guy ended the season with a perfect passing rating game
@@brashadcarr6759 just cuz no one was historical doesn't justify his MVP last year. So just give itbto anybody if no one is historical? NO! When will u Lamar fanboys stop jumping through hoops and just admit that Lamar wasnt the MVP last year. If youre grasping at the "MVP eye test" (wtf even is that?") as criteria, its probably time to accept reality.
@@bryantparker7390 u cant accept reality bud. Obviously wins matter more in a season where everyones stats are down.
@@stevenjackson7956 So, Allen should get it then since his team has the better record 😂
@stevenjackson7956 yes wins matter. But you can't use "everybody's stats were down" to justify his MVP. Because everybody's stats being down doesn't prevent you from giving the MVP to someone who has the superior stats. And newsflash....it wasn't Lamar
I really don’t see why there’s a debate. Allen is obviously playing amazingly, at a First Team All-Pro level. But Lamar has been beyond insane this season and the only reason there’s even a debate is because of voter fatigue.
But he loss 5 games and looked bad losing besides KC. Loss too the Browns and the Raiders. Bills or allen loss to the Rams and put up 44 points in a loss. We are the second highest scoring team in the NFL.
QBR tells the whole story
Bills beat 3 teams over 500
Ravens beat 7 teams over 500.
Josh had the easiest schedule ever
He also lost 2 games to teams with a losing record. Don't leave that out
@@Igotcha79right, when ravens pass defense was last in the league and Tucker missing kicks.
@@Igotcha79 Raiders loss was bad, Browns are division rival and have a good defence. Ravens blew out Bills 35-10, Allen was benched and followed that performance with 9/30 against the Texans. Allen has two 0 TD games, four bad games in total. Lamar has two poor performances max
@@Igotcha79check em out in the playoffs … we know Josh go show up
@@juiceloose2462show up in Cancun
Josh Allen’s stats vs the ravens this year was 180 yards in the air, 21 on the ground and 0 total touchdowns with one fumble lost. Check Lamar’s stats for me, thanks. Everyone loves dodging this game
i go josh allen . lamar has the best back in the league and josh has a better record . while their individual numbers aren’t that different
Why do you think a 30 year old running back in Henry is having his most efficient and best year because of the Lamar Jackson effect 🤷💯.... Plus Lamar Jackson is flirting with the highest passer rating NFL history numbers along with breaking Vicks record 💯.... And on the field play is off the charts.....💪Plays like the fumble then stiff arm 300 pound defensive end and throws a strike for a TD is crazy insane ... He's undeniable 🤷💯
Saquon is the best rb in the league
Lamar efficiency in his numbers are clearly above joshes and Lamar destroyed josh head to head with a tougher schedule. Saquon is the best back in the league and Josh has the best o line in the league.
Man I don’t want to hear that bs. Matt Ryan had Julio the best receiver at the time. Rodgers had tae Adam’s the best receiver at the time. Kurt Warner had Marshall Faulk the best running back and also finished second in mvp voting behind his qb. Manning had Reggie Wayne, Harrison, Tom had Randy moss and gronk. Stop with this bs narrative bro.
@@kizzlejohnson2705How is this Henry best year?
lamar protects the ball better than josh, advanced stats back this up
Lamar has more turnovers this year than Josh Allen. I hope you were kidding.
@ lamar is no.1 in twp% (turnover worthy play percentage) meaning he puts the ball in harms way the least, whereas josh allen has the 17th (at least he did before this last game against the jets idk where he ranks now) Josh was also 17th last year which just goes to show that turnovers don’t show the full story, also lamar has 1 more turnover it’s not a big difference, the stats say lamar is better at protecting the ball, i’m using stats cus it’s kind of hard to tell off film alone
It's a No brainer.... MVP MV3 EASILY 🎯💪💯
Hell no
Pat Mahomes > Lamar Jackson
Conversation over.
@@uncleb7821 we'll see.... I'll get back at u.... Stay tuned 💯
They don’t want Lamar to win 3 MVPs so bad because they said he was a RB.
Respectfully, is anybody in your legendary and accomplished duo, congratulations to all your careers, I love you guys, but is anybody going to talk about the fact that in Baltimore, the wide receivers are open like nowhere else BECAUSE of Lamar and the threat of his carries? Do you think that Lamar wouldn't do even better with a Chase or a Cooper at wide receiver? That makes him the MVP because he's almost the only quarterback who makes his receivers truly OPEN from the snap! How would your separation be with a QB like Lamar ? And how about his Goat of a kicker's slump, as the guy is still human ?
Aye Unc, if you gon be talking to the people behind the camera this much GIVE THEM A MIC !!
It’s not an argument. Remember when LJ8 was considered a RB?..Josh Allen has those same stats however he’s in contention! 😂😂 They gotta stop moving the goalpost for Lamar’s success
Everybody want to talk stats when Allen has the better team record. Allen is the dude this yr and it isn’t close.
Why yall fix yall glasses at the same time, 2:51
Its Lamarr. And I'm a Bills fan.
Josh Allen the mvp period! Not close. Josh will start won’t finish the game. He’s already locked it up. Lamar just stat pads and chokes in big playoff games. They not the same
Last game of the regular season for Allen was this week 😂
Lamar is not ahead Barkley this bs narrative has to stop
Barkley is carrying the eagles and lamar isn't
@@matthewwilliams4168 I meant he’s not ahead my fault.
Love the hypothetical situation from UNC. Get Maye Travis and Higgins. Ey we go from 4 to 2 in the AFC East next year
13:40 Wait Unc. Hold on hold on? bottom what? Huh
Give JD5 some love, listen up, he's got Terry McLaurin and an all pro punter.
The MVP race isn't a race, it's a matter of people putting projections out there and being wrong. They said lamar was a running back and Allen was neck and neck with mahomes. One contestant is about to make history while the other is vouching for sympathy awards. Cut the BS, SOS (strength of schedule) matters. Imagine the bills record this year if they played the steelers, bengals and browns tiwce along with the commanders, texans, chiefs, eagles, broncos, chargers - that alone 5 losses doesn't sound bad the AFC least has never been good. Because the voters said Allen didn't have nobody before the szn started the expectation was STILL the bills are getting out of the AFC lol. 1. Lamar has beaten Allen h2h and is beating him in passing tds, qbr, passer rating, rushing yards, passing yards, total touchdowns all while having lower interception count with a higher passer count than josh, while josh beats him in rushing touchdowns and having the advantage of 2 things only (skin tone and 13 secs game clock chiefs game he lost). I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Allen has been the front runner for 3 weeks now when he hasn't done ANYTHING spectatacular stats wise or team wise, The chiefs lost 1 game! He went 9/30 and had the worst game this year by any QB BY FAR. At no point in the last 4 years had Josh been spectacular yardage is fine and dandy but are you gonna count all them interceptions that come with it? We are trying to force someone into elite status that just isn't there yet and its okay, just stop trying to act like he's something he isn't. He went 4306 yards 29 pass td 18 int 15 rush td last year 2022 - 4283 yards 35 pass td 14 int 7 rush td, 2021- 4407 yards 36 pass 15 int 6 rush td and 2020 4544 yards 37 pass td 10 int 8 rush td. His team has never clinched the 1 seed, Aaron Rodgers obliterated his stats in 2020-2021 having less than 6 ints both times while putting up better numbers and better team record- do not blame lamar for literally demolishing every great opponent last year and being a surgeon in the backfield. Two things are true and imma stop typing, 1. People hate lamar for being black and overcoming odds, and 2) People know Josh will never eclipse lamar if he wins another MVP. You even had this one chick say he wasn't "quarterbacky" enough but is about to have over 40 passing touchdowns and less than 4 interceptions, oh wait add 900 rush yards to it as well.. if that's not the MVP you are outta your damn mind. DO a blind stat side by side without showing the name or team with team record and everyone would vote Lamar. Notice how it’s now “Total Touchdowns - Turnovers” VS “Passing touchdowns- interceptions “ because we know anyone with 2 eyes would know 39-4 with the 2nd highest passer rating EVER and top 3 QBR in the NFL is more impressive than 28-6 with 7 -5 yard rushing touchdowns along with 4 rushing touchdowns. Just let me know where Josh has had a better MVP season than lamar, I'm seriously waiting, one more thing ask yourself if the roles were reversed and Allen had Lamar numbers would ya'll cape for Lamar being the MVP? Or would you be real with yourself and tip your hat to Josh Allen. I rest my case
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Lamar has exceeded all expectations because people didn’t see him as a good enough qb. Y’all act like Josh Allen and pat were always on the same lvl he was disappointing early on. Lamar wasn’t the best Qb statistically last year but still won because he had a great team record and better team. Josh has done pretty good with less talent and with players leaving. The MVP isn’t just stats if it was Lamar would’ve been in the lead. Lamar wasn’t the best passer he evolve, he was already a dynamic runner and he got even better. Lamar should be in considered because he is very valuable to the ravens but let’s not act like they don’t have a talented roster primarily offensively. Strength of schedule matters less unless you’re still winning a lot. Head to head is more lenient earlier because chemistry is still forming but won’t be too mad if you include that. The race card isn’t moving forward because he alr got 2 mvps possible a 3rd all he needs is a ring. Yeah Lamar was mostly unfairly and some fairly criticized. Mahomes will be the face of the nfl for a bit, the next golden boy, but he’s not black enough apparently. Plus the rise of other black qb’s but I’ll leave it at that. If Josh and Lamar switched places yeah I’m sure there would be few hypocrites. That all falls flat though because that was literally last season if it was stats Dak could have won mvp, but Lamar was more valuable overall. The Josh hate is stupid for yall to have your race wars. Josh needs to get a damn ring too. Besides that Josh is elite whether you like it or not, him and Lamar have been close to each other’s level for a few years now.
@@jordanwilliams9222 you said a whole bunch of nothing just then. Almost should’ve just never responded. I gave you numbers and you gave me insignificant talking points that doesn’t matter. The facts are and about the only thing you said right was that the JA narrative was he him and Mahomes being neck and neck. Dak didn’t win last year Because he didn’t lock up the 1 seed in the NFC. Lamar did. His stats weren’t that impressive either, we’ve seen it before and his team was mediocre, Lamar has 39-4 , 43-4 if you include rushing. That’s historic with 1 game left and a possible 1K rushing yards along with it … that shit ain’t close gang. While playing better, while having MVP moments.. and these weapons yall speak upon, were they there last year, the year before or before that? All of a sudden he has the best weapons in the league right and he didn’t make them better? They just were already made men eh. Nobody said give Lamar diggs, and the #1 defense that Allen has had for 3 years and fell short. Lamar won MVPs with shitty team’s offensively. An offense solely predicated on him putting the team on his back passing + running. JA does one season where his RB is second in touchdowns, he has 7 touchdowns under 5 yards and y’all just act like shakir, Kincaid and Coleman who was a first rounder are just some bust?😂 don’t forget Amari Cooper. This wouldn’t be an argument if Allen locked up the 1 seed.. I would say cool. His MVP case is just like Lamar’s last year. But he didn’t lock shit up, Lamar has better numbers. A historic QBR + Passer rating, A higher TD-INT ratio, beat him h2h and if y’all wanna say that doesn’t matter because it was early, then you can’t say that Lamar’s (Likely half an inch on the white line) loss to Mahomes is invalid. That was the first game of the szn buddy? They didn’t even know how to utilize Henry and had a trash ass defense for the first 8 games of the szn 😂. Not to mention Justin Tucker losing 2 games back to back missing field goals. All I’m saying is Allen hasn’t been impressive based on those premises and nobody has told me otherwise. Ok? This man had a game in the snow? Where he caught a pass ok wow beautiful.. still equates to one win on the scale. Beat Mahomes coming off a grueling game before and a lions team who defense was dismantled then got handled by my Rams the next game. He’s cool but let’s not forget the AFC teams he’s played and once again switch the schedules and the bills are looking like the bengals right now.
@ imma stop you I’m didn’t read all that and I’m not gonna respond with an essay again lol. You said you’re right so you’re right you laid down the important and unimportant stats so you got it. Since he’s playing at constant mvp levels I won’t say I hope he wins a ring I expect it. I get comparing stats and strength of schedule and moments, but you obviously have a heavy bias downplaying Josh Allen “snow game” like people didn’t rave about Lamar killing the Texans. I just don’t mind either winning, but do you.
Allen probably wont even play the last game. Hes been a phenom all season and doesn't need to
Lamar is definitely MVP,playing in the hardest division too.💯
Also has the most help
@@matthewwilliams4168oh like a bottom 5 defense and JT that can't make a FG for the first 10 weeks of the season but yet the Ravens overcame that. While JA goes 9/30 and can't even score against that same bottom 5 defense.
@FollowerOfChrist365 lamar has a running back that's got 1800 yards and 2 receivers drafted in first round! And ravens defence ranks 15th that's 7 more than the bills defence 😂
@@matthewwilliams4168 who cares when they were drafted🤣🤣🤣🤣
How many more quarters has Lamar played than Josh? Check it out. Josh sat for entire quarters in games where he was DOMINATING! What would his states looked like if he played those quarters? Ridiculous to just compare stats when this is the case.
I'm would give it to Josh Allen this year, since last year when Allen had arguably a better statistical season people said Lamar had the better team record so he did more...
Well the shoes on the foot and got to keep that same energy now 😂
the reason lamar won last year is because he was the MVP, most valuable to his team and he played much better than Dak, this years gap between lamar and josh is closer than last years between lamar and dak
Why is it just these 2? Baker has better numbers than Josh. Wtf.
Tampa Bay record
@Questionsoftheday no, it's because he isn't running over LBs and safeties. That's it. One guy that literally carries the team? Literally? This means something is wrong with the team. Doesn't make him MVP. Coming from a different perspective. So numbers don't matter? I wish they'd just come out and say that. Bakers gameplay is just as impressive as Allen.
Baker is spreading the ball around to everyone and not making it about himself. The very definition of MVP, unlike Josh Allen.. if ppl would just think outside the damn box.
Don’t he leads the in turnovers
@Questionsoftheday Joe Burrows record doesn't look like it's gonna effect his vote.
3:42 we said good stats ain’t matter because he was sitting out every 4th quarter because they were blowing teams out and not just any teams the teams they swore were the best in the league at that time till he came through
I mean strength of opponent has to be a factor The ravens have had a tougher schedule and beat the bills by 25 head to head. Lamar is the MVP imo.
Lamar has a better team lol, there were people saying the bills wouldn’t make the playoffs, Allen the MVP
And Lamar has a better team and choked against the 2 worst teams and let's not forget about the steelers kicking fgs all game and winning oh and the 5 qrts allen sat out Lamar has 100 more snaps than allen and 3 more tds 3 lmao outa 100 more snaps 🙄
@@bauer_lives5196if someone said the Bills wasn't going to make the playoffs they should have never said that. Have you not seen that division for the last couple years. That's an excuse to give it to JOSH MVPitty
If im the pats, i lose out, swap the #1 to the #2-#5 for 2 future 1st, swap the #2-5 to the #9-#13 for a player and more picks and select the best player available at #9-#13 unless im getting another really good offer.
There really shouldn’t be argument. It should be Lamar but he won’t win because he has already won twice and they will feel obligated to give it to Allen.
His fourth interception did not touch a receiver's hands it was a miscommunication on the route there was nowhere near the receiver's hands
But last year it was “how is someone who isn’t top 2 in the conference”
Travis going be a patriot and we getting tee Higgins with a offensive lineman. Idk what unc talking bout we not trading that pick
You can have CO MVP and there is precedent for both QB/RB - 1997 Barry Sanders & Brett Favre, along with QB/QB - 2003 Peyton Manning & Steve McNair. There’s no need for a singular mvp this year when Lamar, Josh, and Saquon have reached new heights athletically, statistically and in regards to the narrative. This would be the one season to allow a Co MVP.
Bro please tell me what has Josh accomplish this year compared to Lamar and Saquon? Them 2 on a historical run but can you really say the same for Josh?
Are either of the two even playing the last game? The bills are locked into the 2 seed so he’s definitely sitting out
Lamar has to, if they lose they could lose the division
@@noahkramer942 which speaks to this years accomplishments. Allen wins this check mark.
McDermott just said Allen will start against the pats. Allen will be on a snap count. They want him to continue to his consecutive start streak.
@@kennyjames4679 Lamar beat him
@@kennyjames4679no, it speaks to the Bills weak division.
The bills have adopted the tush push. Im sure several of them "rushing" touching downs are "fluff"
What the hell is Shannon talking about? If they trade back they’re not getting three first round picks
Its most valuable player ... who did more with less .. Josh did and beat 2 of the top teams in the nfl. Enough said
Who’s beat the best teams
Lamar was the MVP last year cause of the way it looked when he played, this is his 2nd year in this offense he’s the best player in the league right now. Josh is having the same kind of year but Lamar just looks better when you turn the tape on
It’s not close at all. Lamar took the award when he played the Texans.
Josh will play a few snaps then sit, but if Jackson demolishes the powerhouse Browns, MVP is a lock? Josh blew out so many teams he hasn't even played every 4th quarter. WTF are we even talking about? Josh wasn't even supposed to sniff the playoffs yet here we are.
Allen is the MVP. We won the division with 5 weeks to spare and our QB can rest while Raven still have to hold out for hope
We all kno the ravens not going to the Super Bowl I rather have Josh not get mvp just so he can prove everybody else wrong
Unless Saquon shatters the rushing record😊
Lamar has way better numbers how is this “close” 😂
And he beat the brakes off Josh earlier in the season
Lamar also faced the afc north 6 times!
Josh faced the afc east 😂
I really don’t understand how the media is pushing this Josh Allen mvp thing
Joe burrow has better numbers than Josh too.
Shannon always Knocks Josh and the Bill's, no surprise. A few wks ago he had Pittsburgh as the most dangerous team in AFC
Ayooooo 13:40 😂😮
Plus Lamar Jackson could be the all-time leader with quarterback rating for the season
I could actually see a co MVP last time that happened was early 2000s with Peyton Manning and Air Mcnair
S. BARKLEY IS HIM.
If it comes down to the last game, how about we go with the guy who put himself and his team in the position to rest bc they took care of business instead of losing to inferior division teams
The only reason why Lamar wouldn’t get it is voter fatigue and the historical precedent. No player in NFL history won their 3rd MVP before winning their first Super Bowl. It’s kinda like the Jokic situation in the NBA where they didn’t give him his 3rd MVP in a row.
The difference is Lamar was being unselfish last season because they had a room full of running backs.