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Tear-Down Speedrun of NVIDIA RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
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We already reviewed and benchmarked the NVIDIA RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition GPU -- and it didn't go over well for NVIDIA's new $400 video card. But, in the meantime, we might as well take it apart and see how it goes together.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - The Tear-Down
01:03 - External Walk-Around
02:43 - Removing the Asinine Decorative Plate
04:08 - Removing the Cooler
07:50 - Revealing the GPU & PCB, Die Size
12:12 - Cooler Inspection
13:53 - Conclusion
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What do you think of the GT 4030 we tore down? Watch the review here! This thing is terribly positioned. ruclips.net/video/Y2b0MWGwK_U/видео.html
Could you please make a deep analysis of this whole lineup? This is going nowhere because this is not only destroying the PC gaming industry but the PC hardware industry as a whole because, without a new GPU, people don't need a new CPU, MB, RAM, monitor, etc. I wish you made an "investigation" into the current scam we are facing.
4060 in reality is a cut down 4050 107/OEM
3050 - 107 die, 21.4% of full die cores, 200mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8
4060 - 107 die, 16.7% of full die cores, 190mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8
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4060ti in reality is the 4050
_3050 - 106 die, 23.8% of full die cores, 276mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8
4060ti - 106 die, 23.6% of full die cores, 190mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8
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Where is the 4060 you will ask? Inside the 4070 box
3060 - 104 die, 33.3% of full die cores, 276mm², 192-bit bus, 12GB GD6, PCIe4 x16
4070 - 104 die, 31.9% of full die cores, 295mm², 192-bit bus, 12GB GD6X, PCIe4 x16
This nonsense has to stop and looks like only you and HardwareUnboxed can do something about this to put more light on it because all ADA cards are misnamed and mispriced.
This series has historically the lowest relative number of cores when compared to the top tier that's why the 4080 is so slow when compared to the 4090, that's why the 4070 is so slow when compared to the 3090, and so on.
Junk .
But still people will pay for it.
For the rest , you had no hart in this card to thake appart .
From the junk the card is
I know it's a lot less power going thru that hi-power connector, but I'm not buying a GPU with one anytime soon. The cost savings has to be lost by the need for an adapter and the potential failures that are and will continue to happen.
"Great review, thanks Steve. Next up, GDDR5 and a 4 GB Ti LiTe version also coming."
Wow! A nice 400$ box with a free gpu inside of it. Noice.
The teardown of this 4050 was pretty nice !
hahaha, I'd rename this video except then it'll confuse people when we tear-down the 4040. I mean, 4050.
The die is about 30% smaller than the 3050's btw
@@GamersNexus I get you might not want to offend Nvidia any further, but let's call the 4040 what it actually is.... A GT 4030. Oh, 4050 I mean.
@@vuri3798 GT as a prefix has always meant can’t game-not to be confused with GT as a suffix, now those cards were great-while Nvidia hasn’t released a card that bad in years. At this point all cards are RTX, just terrible value.
Yea that's exactly what I expected for the 4050, Nvidia's done a nice job there.
You pulled that card apart faster than my disappointment at the performance set in.
That's pretty fast!
Anthing for views i guess. Syrange he wount respond to latest from northridgefix lol
@@Fatpumpumlovah2 In all fairness, not every difference in opinion requires a response. Huge respect for both of them. Perhaps he wants to gather more evidence?
@@bouncyhunta but he already has lol you see the video talking how much he spent on testing lol
@@bouncyhunta he also glossed over the fact that this 4060ti has thermal pad on solder points of power connector when its not even needed on this card yet not on the 4080 or 4090.
Wonder why they included that all of a sudden huh.
Speaks volumes to me but he glossed quickly over it.
What a nice 4050 GPU inside the 4060ti box...
_3050 - 106 die, 23.8% of full die cores, 276mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8
4060ti - 106 die, 23.6% of full die cores, 190mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8
It looks even worse when you consider that the 2060 / 2060 Super had more than double the die size and much more memory bandwidth. The 4060 Ti probably costs fuck-all to manufacture.
That little 4N die is a powerhouse of efficiency, it COULD serve as a 60 class GPU had it not been starved of bandwidth purposefully.
Intel next outing should hopefully disrupt the market share enough. Nvidia could kick rocks.......... they are definitely out here trying to perform ninjutsu on customers
No, 3050 used some 106 dies but only temporarely
Regular model used 200mm² 107 die
They should have just droped the Ti from this model
@@nioktefe8205 Drop the TI? No, they are saving that move for an even more bang average GPU.
This cooler serves two purposes: one is dissipating heat, another is to look big and hide how little amount of hardware they are selling for $400
Good one
Wow, this RTX 4050 is looking really solid! Incredible efficiency and great value at 250,-
cant read huh smart guy
@@iequalsnoob woosh
@@iequalsnoob should we explain the joke to you?
@@iequalsnoob Jensen, take your meds.
@@iequalsnoob Go cry on your mobile while playing free fire noob.
“In this video we are just going to be tearing it down.” Not gonna lie Steve, you tore it down pretty well in the review.
This man speaks the truth.
Exactly my thought!
Its so tiny, it reminds me of a 250$ card....
honestly. agreed
Oh, you sweet summer child. The time of the 250 dollar cards are over...
Because it is
Yeah it's bout time people get with the you'll own nothing and be happy program or else.
@That Guy lol @ amd gpu’s
Thanks Steve.
Thank you, Papa.
Never knew NVidia would make a 4050Ti FE, looks cool.
4050ti is the 16gb version, this is just 4050
i thought 16gb version is a real 4060, without Ti.
Can't you read, it's clearly a gt 1040!
It is actually the next iteration of the 730GT 😅
The size of the card really shows that this was never meant to be more than an entry-level Ada Lovelace card, which Nvidia decided to price like something we used to pay for upper midrange cards a few years ago. Don't get me wrong, you can make very compact cards that still perform well. I'm still running a Zotac GTX 1060 6GB Mini, which has all the performance and VRAM of the regular sized 1060's. But here it's more than obvious that Nvidia is essentially trying to sell you a VW Up! for the price of a Porsche 911.
Good analogy, most porches are just VWs with a lot of plastic surgery and way higher margins.
@@SpencerHHO Yeah but still with the Porsche you get laid easy, hf with a VW Up :D
Wow, two tear down videos of this card in the same day by Gamers Nexus.
Good stuff.
The RTX 4060ti should have been their 4050
128 bit bus on a 60 Ti card... LOL
It's for our own good, I thought Steve was an nvidia shill when in the 4060ti specs video, am I glad he destroyed it in the review though, linus on the other hand, fuck that channel so bad, I'm praying on their downfall.
"Yeah but the engraving gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever."
- _The story of this card in a single quote_
God, if this $399 embarrassment is this bad...I cannot wait for the absolute slaughter that is the 4060 and the 4060 16GB. It's going to be glorious to see NVIDIA shredded.
There is no 4060 16GB (at least for now)
Nvidia is no longer a gpu company, it's an AI company. Its the newest buzz word like crypto currency. I'd be surprised if they even com out with a 60 series, since the 50 series is already in development
I think you guys had your 4060Ti swapped for a 4050. Oh wait, I doubles checked and that is indeed a terribly spec'ed 4060Ti...
Steve are so obsessed with that terrible leap in face of 4060ti that he does not even know what else to do with it except tear it down and look on it internally. 😂
*is
no, all steves are.
It’s a pretty card from the outside and it comes in a nice box. That’s about all it has going for it right now.
If it were no more than $300 ($250 being more reasonable) and they called it a 4050ti instead of a 4060ti, it would be a good all around, well priced card. But what they're charging for it and the fact it performs barely any better (and even worse in some scenarios) than the last gen card it's a direct replacement for mean we're sure to see some price drops soon to actually shift units! I feel bad for the board partners, they're getting more shafted by this as their margins are already razor thin.
You pay 300 $ for the box....the rest is for the card.Nice one,nvidia :)
0:00 Introduction
1:03 Externals, weird font choices
2:43 Suggested quick & easy mod for (slightly) better temps
4:07 Opening up the disaster
7:50 GPU reveal - size may not be all that matters, however...13mm wide, 15.5mm long?
11:56 Are half of those PCIe lanes unconnected? Is this an 8x card? Help me, der8auer-Wan Kenobi, you are my only hope!
12:12 Mill-mark bonanza! The cooling, while functional, seems standard and cheap.
13:53 Some more size inspections, Steve seems a bit fascinated
14:59 Conclusion
16:30 Subscribe, buy merch, and shirts are almost gone forever!
I didn't realize product name inflation was a thing, but 2023 just keeps dishing the goods.
Hoping that this paperweight of a generation doesn't sell so that nvidia starts working again
LOL @ the thermal pad behind the power connector. Someone is not taking any chances.
damn, this gt 4030 have mind blowing perfomance for a 30 series card...... if only didn't cost 400$
in a world where this card costs 199 2023 dollars it would light the industry on fire.
Even at $250-$300 it would be well placed value wise compared to the midrange RX580 / 1060 market from back in the day. I get that NV is refusing to budge on margins and inflation has been shite... but this just ain't it for $400. Probably will find some legs in Dell / HP / Lenovo prebuilds, but doesn't currently make much sense as a standalone.
Wait, it isn't 200$?!
i would definitely buy it in an instant if it was 200 bucks
@@mklzer0 $200 and I wouldnt think twice even though 8gb is just bad, but at say $300 I would still heavily consider it and give nvidia praise for taking their head out their ass lol. but really this 8gb shouldn't exist, should be a 4060 ti 16gb for $350 and it would just be THEE card to own this gen.
@@sinAnon6689 I mean my 550 ti cost $150, my 760 was $259, my 960 about $240, my 1060 about $280 ish, I believe and my 2070 (xc ultra) was like $560. I am not sure how being realistic is being brainwashed XD
Damn this 4030 is pretty well made! Great vid!
This is pretty much a laptop GPU and there is a lot of relatively ancient by now laptops that can handle 130-150w at the mxm slot just fine. Won't be bothering with this 128bit generation at all between the pricing and overall performance being unattractive.
As many people have commented, Its a 4050 packaged as 4060ti.
I bought one of those new silicone mats and seriously.. AWESOME.. If I had to find one flaw, I do wish the center area was completely flat/filled for a better surface for certain projects where those channels can interfere. Overall a super nice high quality product. I hope in the future you offer one with a larger inner surface, fully flat/filled as I would buy it immediately. Thanks for always putting quality first across all your products and offering them at a fair price.
This could and should have been the fastest review ever.
Unbox it, run thru the spec and sling it straight in the bin
Thank you so much. This is such a great service to the community.
Pretty interesting. I actually work in factory running a machine that populated PCBs with parts. We basically build little computers for your various car safety systems. I’m not sure what they call a GPU in production but it looks like QFP which would come in stacks of trays full of them.
Next time we have a communication meeting I want to suggest that we start building graphics cards so that I can make something I actually give a shit about.
They changed the font ? Maybe that's why all the 40 series cards names are wrong, the numbers from 5 to 8 were crongly coded and shifted up 1 digit ! It's not Nvidia's fault, it's their graphic designer !
More like two digits, understandable mistake
Damn! That’s a pretty fancy 4030 Super!!
can't wait until screws come back when the "industrial" and "functional" aesthetic is back in fashion. Steve is gonna love it!
Imagine if people collectively agreed to not buy Nvidia and it would force them to submission and drop prices
It was done so in 2022 when mining boom ended. People wasn't buying their products and some of the ones they (including merchants) held to increase prices were held the same way but noone was buying them. Until prices fell.
Unfortunately there are too many people out there with an unreasonable loyalty to Nvidia, and overspend on their products even if they don't need the features they offer.
@@yasu_red fairly yes. It's called branding :p
Or the opposite, nvidia would decide the gamer market was too small and too large of a pain in their ass. Culling consumer cards, sticking to pro cards and focusing entirely on ai leaving us with stagnating amd and growing pains with intel arc. People always think there's only one choice. That didn't work out too well with the whole 'flood of cheap mining gpu's' and 'nvidia will be forced to lower prices'. Those aged like fine milk.
Prebuilts will probably get the most sales with these in from unsuspecting buyers.
"NVIDIA the way it's meant to be sidegraded"
Prime example of what lack of competition leads to. Tfw Nvidia themselves make me want to cheer for AMD/Intel so hard.. very smart strategy
Love the little temporal tangent at the end in regards of knowing about the thermals.
Is that 8x PCIe? I couldn't see traces to more than half the slot. If so thats a bit cheap for a $400 card
Yes, der8auer pointed it out on his review
The die is literally smaller than the 1630 die since that one uses the tu 117 which is used all the way up to the 1660ti and that is 10mm² larger
If you go by the W/mK of the materials used, you are getting just as much from the vanity cover vs the backplate because the backplate is metal on thermal pads (which function more as resistors than as conductors when it comes to heat) whereas the vanity cover is metal on metal.
The silicon mod mat is really nice. If you're thinking about getting one for your tinkering just do it.
It's actually in both Nvidia and their customer's and the communities interest, for Nvidia to reduce to BOM cost as much as possible, especially for these entry level cards, hopefully we get back to 4 screws one day, I took apart an AIB GTX 680 the other year and it was 4 screws, then the IO plate and it was so refreshing how easy it was.
They were so simple to take apart because they were so simple. Modern hardware does everything they did and then some, so it's far more complex. It would be kind of interesting if we saw how small that 680 would be now with modern fabrication. Nothing new or fancy with it, just a pure die shrink recreation of it. I bet you'd be able to fit it on something the size of an NVME drive, maybe even smaller! Considering how powerful modern phone SoC's are it wouldn't surprise me to see them that tiny.
@@TalesOfWar coolers aren't doing anything different today than they did 10 years ago. Especially on a low power part like the 4050 Ti ... sorry 4060 Ti. Given the power envelope, I could probably snag a single slot cooler like the 8800GTs used to rock, and cool it just fine.
What they have done, is needlessly complicate the process for a minimal aesthetic gain.
@@waldojim42 This. It's silicon surrounded by vram with VRM components still, the card is actually not much smaller, the cooler was thinner and had 2 fans, but really there isn't much reason for them to be that much more complex other than the weight of the heat sink I'd say.
Is this the GDDR6 or GDDR5 version of the GT 4030? Just checking to see if Nvidia is being consistent with their shenanigans.
kind of expected there to be a hamster wheel in there powering the whole thing given the performance benchmarks
Hey, now we have a good point about this card! It's easy to tear down!
That must account for something like 50 to 100$ to the R&D for it, no ?
With this kind of progress i bet we can expect the rtx 5060 4gb 92bit bus ddr5 dlss 4.0 now able to do 60fps @1080p at a measley $569 price tag
Still cant believe that Jay recommended this card on his channels review of it.
Nvidia shill, just like linus
Time travel is hard. "Thanks Steve" all versions of you.
Nice teardown of the RTX 4050TI. Looking forward to the RTX 4050 and RTX 4030 soon
4030 ?😆
Just sent for that Solder Mat today, cant wait for it to get here & put it to use keeping Computers & Video Cards out of the Landfill!
This seems like it should be a huge wake up call to companies dealing with nvidia, such as those spending millions on ai. If nvidia is shafting their gaming sector like this, what are they going to do to you later on?
I'd argue they're already getting it worse than gamers are. Have you seen the price of their professional cards? 😂
My GN solder mat arrived while I am on vacation in Greece. Now I can't wait to get back home and do some soldering on it. Thanks, Steve! ^^
Having an issue with asus. I updated the bios on my board. It caused really bad instability and made my ram get really hot to the touch. I told them my ram was getting crazy hot on the new bios and after a week told me to increase cpu core voltage and closed the case.
That's how easy a video card should be to take apart.
NVIDIA has caught "Apple Syndrome". Bigger number means more better. Even with a miniscule performance increase.
PS - nobody tell NVIDIA that you can get a 6950 XT for $600.
Hey, at least Apple engineered new hardware in the past few years
Don't tell Nvidia, but do tell their prospective customers.
lmao still gonna heat up your room and dont forget to mention the trash drivers AMD hasnt fixed since the beginning of time
@@iequalsnoob Yeah, if only AMD could figure out how to cool your room like NVIDIA does 💀
@@iequalsnoob the trashy drivers of amd is an ancient news mate, rn everybody knows amd drivers always aged like wine
The PCB of my 3060ti looks like a 4090 compared to that PoS.
GN does the best damn tear downs on the interweb(3.0) the 4060 Tie, good job steve
The benchmark video and this one could’ve been a 1/2 and 2/2 video, one was a verbal teardown and a physical one. At this stage of sarcasm I wouldn’t be surprised if Steve would just put a 3060ti on the table and makes it an aprils fool. Keep up the great work
That ending was hilarious and reminiscent of that one scene in Spaceballs... The Movie!
Sandurz: Now. Whatever you’re looking at now, is happening now.
Dark Helmet: Well, what happened to then?
Sandurz: We just passed it.
Dark Helmet: When?
Sandurz: Just now.
Dark Helmet: Well, go back to then.
Sandurz: We can’t.
Dark Jelmet: Why not?
Sandurz: We already passed it.
Dark Helmet: When will then be now?
Sandurz: Soon.
Remember the 660 Ti? That was a good card! Yeeahh the good old times
I would not be surprised to see the 4060Ti 16GB be on a 4070's PCB just with a die swap.
The GPU die doesn't have the necessary VRAM channels, or the step up model would be 12 instead of 16. Instead, they're reworking the 4060Ti PCB to add RAM to the back.
This reminds me of Kaby Lake Intel CPU generation, which was just overclocked Skylake and it had no actual changes. The RTX 4060 Ti is just overclocked RTX 3060 Ti
Minus cuda cores
They probably could have cooled this with a ram heatsink on the dye and a 40 mm fan.
Rofl, that only would've meant a $10 price reduction to the consumer
Tear down video, right after the "tear it a new one" video. Lovely!
Nice teardown of 4030 GPU
So an extra 8 GBs of VRAM adds 100 USD to the price? Great value huh? Thanks Jensen.
Yeah, I laughed when Nvidia confirmed that it was the exact same card otherwise. Profit margins to the moon, baby!
"Massive margins" as of May 25th. You sure got that right Steve 😂
7:56 and they are charging you 400 for that, WTF NVIDIA !!!!
The 4060 and 4070 boards seem kinda tiny... They look like slimmed down several generations old cards.
Pretty cool to think about how I basically got a 40 series card 2 years early! 👍👍👍
It's insane in which direction the pricing of the graphics cards market developed towards. In 2009, I purchased a GTX 260 SP216 for 140 EUR which was only 20% slower than the flagship GTX 280, but could be overclocked to a similar performance level. The price was a steal and the card lasted me 9 years until I replaced it with a 2070 in 2018. That one cost me 500 bucks and I was already considering skipping it since that price point was just pure impudence (still is). Now, 5 years later the 4060 Ti is similarly priced and offers anywhere between a 10 and 50% performance upgrade, depending on the game over my current card.
Not that I would need to upgrade at that point, because the 2070 is still going strong enough for my purposes, but I wouldn't have minded upgrading if the performance level would have justified the price. Even if Nvidia sorts out their performance issues and delivers a stable 50% performance increase on average, this would not be enough to justify this price. At this point, I only hope that the massive failure this card is inevitably going to be at this price point will manage to choke some sense into Nvidia's management so that their pricing for the next generation will find its way back to realistic levels.
As there won't be a 4060ti 16G FE, it's on the AIB partners to manage to build PCB for the 16 GB (could be interesting to tear down a 8 GB AIB model)
Even Steve forgot Nvidia is not making those LOL.
Can we get a visual die comparison between this and the other Ada chips? Would be very interesting to see their relative sizes
Big Honkin "not an LTT fanboy overpriced screwdriver" flipping the bird front stage LMAO
11:30 Even if you would have unpopulated memory locations, I don't think just slapping more modules on PCB would just work. Mainly because there wouldn't be a memory controller for them. I also suppose they are doing a 16GB model just by using higher-density modules.
Scuttlebutt is they're adding chips to the backside. Higher density is even more of a headache.
And Steve enters the word of Doctor Who, where effect can preseed cause. 🤣
$150 tops for a 50 class card.
4:40 My exact thoughts when seeing the 4090 and then the rest of 40 series
This should be a $250 card like a 4050(ti) or something.
Could've made this a Short. Just a 20 second video where you toss it in the trash.
Looks like they may be putting four of the memory (H56G42AS6DX014 - 16 Gb/9 GHz modules from SK Hynix) on the backside for the 16 GB version. I could be wrong, but I believe that a higher density would mean a 1024 word layout and I don't think they are there yet, would also mean more than a $100 difference.
Regardless of the modules used (in the past they've used different vendors even for the same card) the scuttlebutt is it's 8 chips in clamshell configuration. Probably won't even clock as well as the 8GiB, lol.
@@quasar5610 That's not how this works. The bus width is the same. If anything, performance will decrease as I said, given lower clocks (lower OC headroom at least).
This video: "We're going to tear the RTX 4060 Ti down."
Review video: "We're going to tear the RTX 4060 Ti apart."
Thanks for showcasing the only use-case of this card.
Why nvidia went for cache route, which is still small instead of normal/larger bus width which covers the whole vram
Last year, Samsung announced they could stack ram to double capacity in the same size package ... wonder if they are using something like that.
16GB in 4 packages requires 32gbit memory. This is already available from Micron.
2023: "I don't have any complaints about how it was assembled" sounds like praise.
I believe the 16gb card is going to have RAM on the back, hopefully with thermal pads so it doesn't cook.
As you mention profit margins it would be interesting to see a 'whole GPU' component level manufacturing cost breakdown with some educated guesses regarding assembly and packaging costs. With economies of scale taken into account of course.
It strikes me that most of the R&D costs for any given GPU generation would probably be comfortably covered by sales at enterprise level as well as halo tier sales - so I think it's also fair to assume that whatever ends up in a middle to low tier GPU is mostly about making some money out of the "left over" silcon that isn't good enough for anything else.
It would be an interesting video to explore the full extent to which we're being price gouged - and I mean in a non partisan way, though I suspect that Nvidia's status probably makes them more prone to complacent arrogance just now.
At 3:58 I misheard not looking at the screen at that second: "You would still have to take this apart if you wanted to replace the fan because the cable is submerged so let me grab a torch". That would have been hilarious and what this card deserved.
A 4050 Founders Edition, they really outdid themselves this time.
I wonder, if when the 5000 series comes out, they'll release a 5700 LE as a homage.
A graphics card I bought as a kid not knowing much of anything about PC's, and it was horrific, but still better than onboard.
The disappointment shirt gonna look greener and greener this year, cool.
Is this a glitchless speedrun?
Products like this is one of the main things that turns me off from trying to build my own rig.
regarding the performance you mean ?
get a used 2070 super or something, it's better than this one
Used 5600x, 16gb 3200mhz ddr4 ram, used 2070super/3070 and you're good to go, or if you want better longevity at a somewhat worse performance you can get a 3060 12gb. Nvidia really outdid themselves this generation
So you would be fine with some prebuild seller trying to force feed you with this abomination?
"In the video though, we're just gonna be tearing it down"
Pretty sure you did that in the other video too
I can't wait for this year's disappointment build, maybe there's a way nvidia can top this, but man this is a hilarious card for 400 bucks
If you could SLI these GT 4030's together, maybe then they could equate to a GT 4060? Only $800! SUCH WOW!
The review of the performance of this card was also a teardown, just in a slightly different sense
This is the real naming scheme:
RTX 4090 = RTX 4090 (Good gen over gen uplift)
RTX 4080 = RTX 4080 (Good performance but price is too high)
RTX 4070 ti = RTX 4070 (Too expensive for its performance and hardware)
RTX 4070 = RTX 4060 (Too expensive for its performance and hardware, would have made a great 4060 though...)
RTX 4060 ti = RTX 4050 ti (Just avoid this card, buy a 3060 ti instead... if the price is reasonable)
RTX 4060 = RTX 4050 (Would have been a great card at ~$180)
What’s with the PCIe x8? That doesn’t seem typical at all for a $400 card.
derBauer has a video on that! According to Nvidia, "there is no tangible benefit to a x16 configuration", and when he halved the bandwidth to x4, he lost less than 10% of the performance, which suggests they're telling the truth.
This card is so anemic it doesn't benefit from the full x16. 😂