I Made Sophia Playable in FE7
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2023
- Ever wonder if Sophia would be viable if she was playable in FE7? Well I investigate that very idea here!
Special thanks:
Panno for letting me use his FE6 footage.
His channels:
@pannolinobambino1015
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38% for the female shaman animation that's compatible with FE7. Play FE Sword of Heaven and Earth!
This video is inspired by Mekkah's Lyn in FE6 series and analysis
• How Good is Lyn ACTUAL...
Music used:
FE7 - Distant Utopia
SSBM - Story 5 Encounter
Sonic Adventure - Windy and Ripply
FE Echoes SoV - With Mila's Divine Protection
MW2 (2009) - Ranger's Victory
FE Echoes SoV - The Dauntless Blade
MGS2 - Strut C
Little Big Planet - The Desert
SSBB - PictoChat
Papers Please - Main Theme
System Shock 2 - Hydrophonics 1
MW2 (2009) - Evacuation Crash Site
MGS1 - Blast Furnace
Kirby Air Ride - Checker Knights
FE3H - Between Heaven and Earth
GGXrdRev2 - One Dawn
MGS2 - Strut F 
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Sophia may not be number 1 in the series, but she's number 1 in my heart.
Same
Me too buddy
I hope you get a new heart soon :)
Fe6 has good mades
With that setup on the final boss, I 100% expected her to miss the last hit and die in retaliation. That would've been hysterical.
Also what I was expecting haha
Worse part about Sophia is that she's a unit you want to train because of her low starting level, but her growths aren't even high-ish compared to a unit like Nino. She's an awful unit in a game that's pretty rude, also not being able to one round poison lance fliers or having 73% hit on a fe7 pirate is god awful these units are made to be cannon fodder. But she's cute so whatever
it's crazy that you get Ray earlier, at a higher level, and if you level Sophia to the same level she is about the same if not worse. Like OK I'll just use Ray then
@@tehy123 I think she only beats him in magic and maybe res on average, but yeah Ray is so much better it's ludicrous that people actually invest into her so often. Her growths aren't even that good anyway Nino is a God by comparison and she's regarded as bad/an ok investment but you have pent already
@@mathewo.6501 I actually invest some time on her with my second playthrough, i just needed a angelical robe and two speedwings and she was the one using the legendary weapon isntead of Raigh lol
Using Sophia in fe6 makes me wonder "is this how the enemies feel when i send Marcus after them in fe7?"
16:51 "Its a talisman. Why would I need it?"
true words lmao
I actually think Sophia is worse in FE7 than 6.
1) Growths and bases generally quite a bit higher in FE7 than 6, making Sophia's bad stats stand out as even worse
2) Weight of the flux tome: if she was in FE7, there's no way she'd only have 3 con, losing FIVE speed at base.
The way to fix Sophia is to have her join at chapter 1, where her bases are acceptable.
Her bases are still bad in Chapter 1, just slightly less bad
@@weepingdalek2568 just to clarify, I do mean start of FE6, where her 2 range chip will allow her to grow if you so wish and she'd be comparible to Wolt and Bors. She will at least have a niche for two chapters until you get Lugh, who will join better unless you really went ham on leveling Sophia and got lucky with speed level ups.
@@DanBottiglieri She'll be worse than Wolt due to having significantly lower hit rates and she isn't taking a hit in the event that something goes wrong
Like she could do something maybe that early, but her bases are still bad even then
@@weepingdalek2568 If she joined at chapter 1 she would be fine. Not a great unit, but not worse than Wolt. At least she has 1-2 range and is not that hard to train against weaker enemies.
The female shaman battle sprite looks so badass!
Hmmm... One of the biggest boons for magic users in FE6 is the low weight of their tomes, which FE7 increased by a lot.
Her low starting Con of 3 screws her over in FE7 even harsher, than in FE6. -5Speed because of the a single 8Wt. Flux tome is not a good standard weapon for her, that she is obviously not designed for.
Ideally one would have to double her starting thiccness to 6Con, to make a bad unit at least somewhat worth the effort. ...Even 5Con instead of 3Con would be a massive performance difference.
Sophia would be a worse Knoll in Sacred Stones, If she just replaces him at Lv.1 and she will suffer from the same problems in FE8 as shown in this video.
she also would somewhat loses one of her FE7 niche in FE8, as Luna is severely nerfed there compared to FE7
Knoll can at least instantly contribute as a Summoner since he joins at level 10 and can promote right away
I wonder if there's ever been an interview or AMA with any of the creators of FE6 where they explain their thought process behind Sophia. It's like they tried to capture the perfect crystal essence of what makes for a terrible unit. Hard to hate her personality since "what's the point in hating something that doesn't exist?" but it really is kind of incredible how little she offers.
Game development is an amazing and chaotic thing. It's difficult to know if there was some set purpose behind it, or if they ran out of time or interest to finish the character.
From what i remember FE6 got very little of beta testing and some things got changed at literally last moment. Final Boss of FE6 was supossed to be entire different kind of beast but got changed very late in the game development. I suppose Sophia is probably also a victim of those last moment changes but this is only my theory.
@@tomasziskierka9557Hard mode bonuses on recruitable characters werent even intentional. if they missed that, they definitely did not consider Sophia's viability.
honestly i don't think there's much to sophia's design
the devs probably just wanted to add a civilian-esque escort mission to make the guiding ring harder to get and it probably felt too unfair having to drag an allied unit around, so they made her playable to give the player more control instead
Nice that she at least can do something in this game(other than using a staff which is what she's arguably best at). Still no where close to amazing but her soloing a map that took me 100+ turns is something I needed to see.
The real nail in the coffin for Sophia is that she's just worse than other Shamans. She's behind on levels and her growth rates are a little worse or on par with most Shamans, (aside from Res, which who cares). So you have to put in all this effort to get her to where other Shamans start at and then she's still worse than them in most cases. Low Con is the cherry on top - she can't even use Flux without being slowed down. At 5:41 we see that level 10 Sophia, after multiple stat boosters, is worse than level 8 Canas in everything except Mag, (she wins by 1 point), and Res (she wins by 6 points but who cares). You probably fix her by giving her dynamite growths to make her a fun unit to raise up and dominate with.
There is this one person (not saying the name, not everyone like it :S), who did a balance patch of every GBA FE game (not sure for FE8, but it did for the first 2), and I was surprised to hear at the start that not a single growth rate was going to be touched, for Sophia, it made it very simple: It just doubled her base stats, now that´s a way to make her very good (even though it added Hard Mode bonuses to Raigh, making him absurd too).
Sophia actually became kind of amazing at the end 0_0
I remember having to struggle in order for me to use her in FE6, but this twas worth it imo.
Great video!
Great video!
Technical stuff that I think was lower in quality was usual was sound balance. It was hard at multiple times to hear your voice over the volume of the music at points. This includes the beginning, such as around 0:30 to 0:40, 16:00 and 17:00. There, your voice is louder, or the music overpowers your voice. Your tone of voice has a good quality, and I think raising the volume of it using editor internally(since changing mics can be pretty expensive) would really be helpful. Furthermore, we can tell the music is lowered at 12:28 in order to hear you and even then, the volume of the voice is a bit low.
Additionally, game audio was conflicting with music, such as with 14:00. At the same time, please just do w/e is comfortable with you as these just suggestions, as editing these is additional time (and can be really lengthy with longer videos on top of gimmick runs).
Those were things I found were lower in quality. Positives I could find included the run itself. Very solid run, and obviously, clips displayed lined up with your voice and script. There were lots of showcases that added more to context to your lines, such as Sophia's atrocious speed, being unable to double the incredibly weaker enemies of FE7(compared to FE6), a game that's pretty enemy phase oriented given the mass of units it throws at you. The amount of effort was very clear in trying to make Sophia is strong as possible, and I think you did an honest job trying to make her work.
Again, just do w/e is comfortable with you! Good luck on future videos and I hope this helps moving forward!
Thanks for the input! Glad you enjoyed the vid!
While predictable, I enjoyed the video. You managed to make her look good too... if only for a single chapter. Such is Sophia.
I will say you may want to up the volume on your voice, though; it felt relatively quiet.
Thanks for the input!
the only thing that makes me wanna keep playing binding blade is my desperate need to train sophia, i love using horrible shitty awful units
It'd be more forgiveable if she has enough skill to actually HIT anything, she can chip from 2 range but if she can't hit jack shit she can't level
I think the background music is a tad bit to high, and makes hearing you a little harder. but overall great video.
Cog of Destiny is just the best map. My first playthrough, I did with Nino what you showed Sophia doing. It was a blast to send Nino into an army of mages and come out pretty unscathed
I want to know if she is really popular in Japan
Like, she has alt in Heroes, has representations in Cipher too, appeared in FE7 for no reason, probably she is famous in Japan.
Meanwhile, English community: bad unit FE6 bad
After this video, I think she is better in FE6 lol or maybe FE11
On an official Japanese FE6 character popularity poll, she placed 10th out 80, so it's safe to say she's got a following there. Raigh outplaced her tho (4th/80)
Regardless of popularity... She's a cute half dragon girl who does magic. An alt was inevitable. Also one of her alts is a grail unit, which are typically less popular characters who are still in the theme, with her only premium version, Bridal Sophia, colorsharing with the demote of the banner whose base version happens to be a common F2P merge project even to this day, and as such has a following (on top of being the only adult woman in the entire banner) ; Sophia was likely more intended as kind of a little surprise along the way for Bridal Cecilia merges than the opposite. Like "thanks for pulling, here have a bulky mage flier (who'll get powercrept by Camilla in a few months), now return to summoning Cecilia". The Bridal banner was also 7 months after the Halloween banner, so since the theme was Roy and his harem and they had Sophia's seiyu around, she was a convenient choice for the banner.
Cipher, it's quite simple, nearly everyone in the series is represented there. Even the twins from Warriors.
As for FE7, since she was present in FE6 and is a half dragon, that means she'd look identical 20 years in the past, and so a Sophia cameo was an easy choice for an extra nod to FE6.
Oh so now I get why Sophia has so high def in FEH
FEH certainly gave her a new lease on life in its earlier years though. Being a high def/res mage with respectable atk meant she became the primary Triangle Adept/Rauorraven user that could shrug off any archer and green unit in the game effortlessly, while holding fairly well to most reds as well. She was even a hard counter to one half of the game's power duo, Brave Lyn.
Now she's just unimpressive at best but we're talking about a launch unit in a mobile gacha game that's six years old, so powercreep would hit her. And it hit everybody with very few launch units being even remotely viable. She served quite well in FEH for her time in the limelight.
Its not even that her bases are bad. That alone would be a problem but good enough growths could patch it just fine and make her quite viable. (Think Nino if she came earlier in the game)
Its that she comes in with the base stats and level of a chapter 1 unit midway through the game when you already are promoting your guys, and her growths while not terrible (save for def, luck, and speed) are not high enough to make up the difference, save for HP, Mag, and Res. Her skill and especially speed in particular suffer here because she will just be accurate enough to land hits now and again, but with her speed the way it is coupled with her unsalvageable constitution, she is resigned to avoiding being doubled at best, and even that is a huge gamble, and dodging attacks is simply not something she can ever reliably considering doing.
FE7 serves to punish her even further due to the dark tomes she already has trouble carrying becoming even heavier, making it so the most basic Flux tome is simply too much for her to handle.
Really enjoyed the video! Although I'd recommend turning the background music down a tad. Can't wait to see more
Meme unit still meme tier even in one of the easiest game in the series lol. Yeah maybe if you replaced Lute or Artur with her since there's no way she's gonna be able to handle replacing Knoll. Either way, fun vid!
A couple of years ago, I've been constantly arguing with a guy named Jim the Reaper. The arguments are scattered in RUclips comment sections but from what I can remember, he's trying to justify Sophia being good because she's good at Endgame (?). The guy went so far as trying to argue Sophia is better than Niime because of so-called "availability". To this day, I still do not understand whats the deal behind this Jim person.
Availability is important. But no where close to THAT important.
In the early days of the online FE community in the West, 20/20 stats was really all that mattered to people even if it made the playthough actively harder. A 20/20 Sophia will have better stats than a level 20 Niime and really that's all it took to win the argument back then. I'm going to assume that Jim guy has that mindset still.
Same. Arguing with him was so damn obnoxious. For whatever reason he refused to understand that Raigh and Niime far outclass Sophia and insisted that Sophia is in fact better than both of them, it was ridiculous
@@DrewPicklesTheDark Well, fanboys also believed that Sophia is better than Raigh even though Raigh beats the crap out of her at 20/20 (and this is ignoring other positive aspects such as earlier join time for Raigh and better bases and growths). That's how delusional they were about her
@@smaragdchaosGod the growth rates argument was the worst I had to deal with. Argument basis clings on a fucking 10% magic growth difference between Sophia and Raigh is a horrible basis.
great job with the video dude!
Dark mage and purple hair. She's got some really cool things going for her, but at the end of the day she's just sophia. And that pallette is just beautiful.
The conclusion may have been obvious but the journey was still fun, 10/10 vid. Now put Sophie in awakening
He was mad.
had to be my favorite part. Great video!
Got this recommended to me, really fun video.
Gotta love the MW2 ost here. Great video
This looked like a lot of work. You could've played Project Ember for a good Sophia. (I kid. Great video)
Still haven't gotten around to playing PE, maybe sometime soon!
@@eaturgrns Not only is her base speed good, not only is her speed growth better, she even gets a prf that boosts speed.
based username
I hope you do try her in fe8, im interested to see if she can actually be good in the easiest gba title
tbh, it feels like shes being carried by the Luna tome since you used it mostly, but doesn't change the fact that she's still sucks
I am really intrigued by the bottom of the tier list at 0:41. Anything up to the spinoff gang (Heroes!Corrin, SSBM Roy, Easter Xander) is familiar to me, but the abyss? Not so much.
I do not know why PoR Naesala, Tibarn and Giffca are in there, they're super strong Laguz and they do not transform back.
Also Melady intrigues me as she is a really powerful flier in FE6, that you get right before the Nabata Desert.
And Mercedes, well I assume she is a weaker unit compared to her peers? I lack any reasons to defend or bash her.
@@supermariogamer5294 The Laguz royals in PoR Hard Mode only come in after the first phase of Ashnard, so if you're doing Wrath/Resolve Ike stuff, it's very possible for the second phase (and by extension the game) to be over before they can physically reach an enemy, meaning while they are really strong on paper their net contribution to the run is often a flat zero and chances are that one time Rolf did chip damage in his join chapter means he was a more valuable unit for that run, putting them on the bottom of the bargain bin is not only surprisingly accurate but also very funny.
The FE3H Maddening meta revolves around using broken player and enemy phase tools to kill everything on Player Phase (Swift Strikes, Hunter's Volley, Vengeance, possibly warpskipping the map entirely) and not taking hits on Enemy Phase (Vantage/Wrath, Impregnable Wall, all the threats already being dead after Player Phase, or the map being over bc you warpskipped it) You rarely need healing for either of those, so a unit like Mercedes that just goes all in on healing is out of a job and only helps with some support stuff that other units have more tools for. And to add insult to injury, Mercedes' Fortify, the one thing she has that really stands out as something unique to her, is actively messing with two of the strongest cheese setups in Vantage/Wrath and Vengeance.
Melady I'm guessing is either a joke or a reference to some sort of mod, challenge run, or other appearance outside of FE6 (I don't recognize the icon of her "tier" either) because no one would call vanilla FE6 Melady this bad unironically unless you're literally doing your tier list in reverse order.
Also Clive has no place on that iceberg. Someone had to say it. Clive is leagues above every unit in the top layer.
FE6 promo gains are a thing of beauty
She always gets too busy seeing the future that forgets looking at the battlefield
Honestly, I'd like to try this myself. Any way we can try the modified ROM?
I half-expected that last Luna to miss 😅
So Sophia can do what Canas can do .... she just needs heavy favoritism
I misunderstood the title, when you said you made her playable, I thought you meant usable as well.
can you make a fe7 romhack with similar unit replacements from fe6?
Time to make her playable in FE8
Honestly this seems like it was a pretty fun run! How'd you manage to insert Sofia, though?
Probably grab her growths, Sprite and then, trough FEBuldier replace Canas with Her
@@NEO-cj1jx fascinating... Thank you so much!
I mean, I don't see Sophia being any better in FE8.
She essentially has the base stats of a Trainee... except without having an extra promotion. Her tomes still weigh the same as FE7, so her attack speed is still a looming problem. And Luna, which was arguably her only selling point she had in FE7, was butchered to unusable territory.
she tried her best, the poor thing
You were never meant to train a guiding ring.
Ngl I have zero knowledge of the older games yet still interesting.
Sophia op confirmed
I will wait for fire emblem 7 but I play as Anna.
lmao great vid
I think she struggles on physical unit but pretty good against magic units
Was that little big planet music at around 8 mins??? The desert yea???
You’re right! LBP my beloved.
@@eaturgrns ayyyy
@@eaturgrns You're so real for that
I’ll argue cath is worse because killing her makes chapters where she would appear easier. She’s better dead than alive.
i spat out my drink at 4:10 holy shit lmfao
Bro! You should use the GBA supports! They are the best supports!
when is fe7 but with batta the beast?
And that’s why I’m forcing myself to use her in my fe 6 Roy’s boys run. Where I only use bad units
i would say she is good or bad... but i still havent been able to finish any of the GBa games.... so ima take your word on it lol
Now if only she was playable in her actual game.
Sophia, the tragic tale of "sense we know how to make her now, --- actually nah we'll just put her on the sideline" FE7 in a nutshell.
isnt good if you reach her level max before promotion? 🤔
You get more lvl ups promoting at 20, but in most cases the instant benefits of promoting (move increase, new weapon types, staff utility, stat gains) outweighs the potential of 10 additional level ups.
I said one thing i play fire emblem 6 all sophias in hard mode and my god i have no words of the gameplay......it's criptic.
Fe6 is THE best Fire Emblem game!!!
Sophia isn't that bad of a unit, she can become a super soldier just like any unit. Also gwendolyn is under rated
you can't be the worst dark magic user in the game if there are no other dark magic users in the game
wait what? Sophia is bad? i technically only lvled 3 units on my FE6 her, roy and lilina. For me Melady was awful almost not enough speed to double.
musics super loud
God supports were so tedious in the GBA era
Sophia is ok but I think we found out that Luna is OP
But Luna has always been one of the solutions to beat final boss in fe7.
1. Athos
2. The lords
3. Canas with Luna
Hey man, constructive criticism here. The audio on this video is super unbalanced. The music is too loud, to the point where it's difficult to make out what you're saying at many points for those of us who watch videos on our phones. You can definitely stand to turn the music down, I want to hear what you have to say!
Calling Sophia bad is cringe 😢
Wait, you're right... shoot.
Can we just talk about how the speed upped section of cog of destiny fills the biggest part of the video