Fun fact: When you get stabbed at 4:16 you can hear Ballas saying “But you can send it back to hell” in the background which was right after Ballas cut off Lotus’ hand
@@whynotusepaper468 Well Ballas did open a void portal on the sentient ship in which Lotus/Natah fell after he cut her hand off. That's the point everything got mixed together and twisted, as before we the Tenno were in our world and the Drifter was doing his spiral everyday until we both got stabbed and the hand fell.
I love when it all clicks that this is the world of a child trying to cope with the world All these people are so intense because he is a child, everything feels so intense emotionally In the end he realized the throne isnt what he wants. The throne is control, dominating those emotions, but he decides to relinquish that and let himself just live with those emotions side by side. Not controlling, not controlled by And now he is the hand for Thrax, reaching out and stopping him when it all gets to intense and out of control
The final monologue by the Drifter at the end really sticks with me. The colour drains from the world and you stop feeling... that's depression for me. I keep struggling against the spiral, and stories like this keep me at it. For a free, grindy MMO, Warframe doesn't need to have the stories it does, but I'm thankful that it does.
If you ever play Duviri regularly (which most people don't), try to idle near important / regular NPC's, they all have either lore implicated dialogue or just a couple hilarious lines. By the way, you can loot your Dormizone for decorations to bring to your Orbiter!
@@methanoI IIRC she did develop Voruna's abilities herself, which does make her fit into the "developer" mold, but that's probably closer to a "gameplay designer" role.
@@GabeHowardd Ehh, I wouldnt say playing the game is a minimum, being good at it is. I remember watching her "showcase" the Kullervo fight, and still get her ass kicked by him despite having cheats on.
I can't wait for you to experience the latest stuff they added with Whispers in the Wall. Without a doubt it's my favorite out of everything in Warframe. The personal story, the setting, the music, I don't know how they continue to one up themselves but Digital Extremes has made one of my favorite pieces of art. Not to mention how interesting the history behind getting the game first developed is, imo. Your content is great! I'm eager to see your next stream
Repeating this comment here, too! This comment has spoilers. Save reading it for when you're done watching. The spiral of Duviri is the character's journey through depression. Duviri is a fantasy world the Drifter constructed around themselves to escape from the trauma of reality; they start trapped inside of the spiral, all emotion, all stimulus drained from them through the endless, repeating torment, the fantasy having turned against them. Lotus' hand is a literal helping hand that helps them start the process of escaping the spiral, and each act is an emotion, one of the Drifter's emotions and memories that they lost to the fog of depression, one that the Drifter regains through the process of overcoming it, and color slowly returns to the characters and scenes. It ends with the Drifter giving up control of the spiral; they understand now that they are their own master, and cannot be controlled by it any longer, symbolizing their escape from depression and fantasy into the real and healthy world. The damage was done, but they are able to accept and move on from the past. Duviri really struck me hard. I relate to it in a lot of ways, having escaped my own spiral. It's by far the most beautiful and eloquent narrative Warframe has created to date, and I hope more people learn to appreciate the deep emotional undertones underneath.
Well maybe but, Im pretty sure it's actually albrecht entrati's daughter who created duviri. With the new lore from the whispers in the walls quest Albrecht says he went to duviri and made a lab and even taught the child king about the threats beyond the "wall". All of it seems to have happened before the drifter.
Well, Euleria did write the book of "Tales of Duviri." Which the Zariman children/people had to read to be prepared for the void's emotional weirdness. That imaginary world was manifested by the drifter through conceptual embodiment, inspired by the book
@@TheJimhim He LITERALLY says "Thrax didnt make this place." "You did." The Drifter created Duviri the realm from the storybook, Tales of Duviri, as a coping mechanism. The concept of time doesn't exist in the Void, as evidenced by the fact that you *go back in time* in the same labs where you found that entry.
duviri is one of my favourite gameplay as story telling in warframe... like even after you leave, every time you do enter the spiral to play for rewards on a gameplay level, narrative wise is your drifter dealing with mentals and emotions to keep themselves healthy, its really cool
It's best to be played solo in my opinion. I sit on my couch with my serround sound system, playing the Duviri experience, exploring the world, finding secrets. And then the music, and ambient sounds truly immerse me.
there was a time when apparently duviri was going to be an optional way to start the game instead of the first mission/Vor's prize but apparently they undid that
The main reason why they took away the Duviri start away is because in Duviri the stuff you use comes with a full mod loadout and in general feels WAY more powerful than the regular start to Warframe, Vor's Prize. Also the fact that the mod screen is inscrutable for a new player, so going from a mode where you don't have to worry about how your weapon is modded because it Just Works, to trying to figure out why your weapons now seem to suck in comparison could shock new players into dropping the game. That said, you can still go straight to Duviri right after completing Vor's Prize still
Its also understandable why they give duviri to new player. You are able to test different random weapons/frame before you commit to investing on said item in origin system.
God man, this was an experience. Always loved your analysis of the musical and artistic elements of stuff, and getting it in real time (so to speak) like this was a treat. The Duviri Paradox is definitely a jewel to be cherished in the Warframe crown.
Next time you do a run through Duviri you should check out the Archarbor, there’s a puzzle there involving Thrax statues that leads to a room below the Archabor that has some interesting info! Spoilers for the Puzzle below: The Hacking terminal nearest to Arcrithis will lead you into a cave that has a terminal that needs to be activated, to activate it you must find 3 Thrax statues and face them TOWARDS the center of the Archabor, then return to the console in the cave, activate it and ride your Kaithe into the secret room. There’s a Paragrim puzzle in there that gives some very nice rewards alongside the lore related consoles. Keep in mind you can also leave Duviri and keep all rewards, so if the mood is right check it out, you can always leave right after if you don’t want to take down a Wyrm.
It is funny when a new update is released, I kind of play it fast running only to unlock the new stuff that has been brought to the game. Right now rewatching your gameplay, I got to understand many things about the lore that I didn't pay attention before. As the paradox happening all before the events of new war and the reason why the drifter came to the other side and helped the operator. And I didn't remember he being the king and the creator of that world all along. Glad I rewatched it.
It makes me super happy watching Marco play warframe. the first video of him i saw is him hearing "We All lift together". and then the main quests pops up. not only he analyze the music, the dude is actually understanding the lore. as a lore guy. this brings tear to my eye. brings me back to the first time i opened warframe back in 2015. mad respect, Marco.
The Warframe music team around Keith Power never disappoints. They just produce banger after banger. Can't wait to see what his former second in command George Spanos can cook up in Soulframe
I always thought it was the operators hand that was cut off, and ended up giving you transference powers. Now I'm not sure. Also side note the New war quest gives you the talk about eternalism and shows you the deal with the man in the wall, where in all the other realities of yourself die to give your current self power. However this only extended up to the point of this one decision which is why there are two outcomes, and thus two operators as a result of said decision. It also in theory explains why you can't kill the tenno. Thanks to all of the other realities being mushed into one, in all your failures you die, restart, and then eventually mission succeed is the reality you keep.
There are some really cool duviri paradox theories on RUclips and Warframe theories in general but by far my favorite are the duviri ones. My favorite quest is still probably the second dream just on impact alone, but I love what duviri has to say about trauma, help, growth and change so much more then any of the themes in any other quest. However, I feel that Teshin could go with saying ‘paradox’ and few dozen less times.
Oh shit! i get it now! ... that last sentence by bombastine... when declares Death by Empalement... was actually Teshin's sentence... that's why he is so heavily wounded and dying when we found him!..
Notice how the Lotus' hand rips the Drifter's hand apart and then snuggles in the wrist. You can actually still see the Drifter's fingers dangling on the arm....
Love seeing all your reactions on this Warframe playthrough, and I'm glad you didn't sensor anything, there really are a lot of "oh shit" moments hahaha
41:17 for clarity's sake(SPOÎLERS?) Dominus Thrax is YOU the Drifter He represents all of the emotions that we had to bottle up in order ot survive in the Zariman since in the Drifter's version of events we didnt take the Man in the Wall's deal and had ot fend off for ourselves. the issue is, we are still in the void and these emotions merged with the doll and the book(titled "tales of duviri") and manifested into a sort of pocket dimension we now know as Duviri while the Doll, representing Us became its ruler: this is why all of the inhabitatns of Duviri call you the Young king, because ot them you are Dominus Thrax. this is also why its important that we didnt harm Dominus thrax here and gave him back the throne. As long as the Drifter doesnt come ot terms with their emotions(Anger, Joy, Sorrow, Envy, Fear) the Drifter is NOT ready ot leave duviri safely, if they had harmed thrax here, it would mean the drifter succumbed ot his anger anbd is NOt ready ot leave. This is also why at the end Thrax relents and allows us to " leave" if we so choose.giving him back the throne shows we are ready.
6:00 lmao. that ONE frame of "death" as it went back sent me. good ol schadenfreude. 13:15 I occasionally wall cling, maybe for arcane arachne buffs, or for personal style points/shenanigans, but I wish they'd fix the wall melee attack which used to launch you towards the target you're aiming at when you use it. But now it doesn't do it like 99% of the time and you just flop. :< otherwise I'd do it a whole lot more. occasionally maybe a wall hop to refresh bullet jump in midair.
Thrax is the Void-fragmented psyche of kid-Tenno when the Zariman disaster happened. The strong untempered emotions manifested as figures from folklore/tales the kid had read about, same as everything else in Duviri - imagery of the 'promised land' that Tau was made out to be. Thrax is egocentrism - that childish notion that the world revolves around, and should be subject to, one's whims. Duviri gameplay is overcoming and tempering such notions, a figurative expression of personal growth, "mastering oneself." Furthermore the Orokin culture was authoritarian to the utmost extreme - also reflected in Thrax - so it figures that the only Tenno that made it out of the Void were the ones who, deep down, refused to ever truly submit - to ever "kneel" to such tyranny. That elevates all the music from Duviri SO much. So much can be unpacked about all the tracks with the above in mind, it's really quite something.
Another theory I have heard that Thrax indeed is real and not a manifestation. He was a Tenno who couldn't get along with the others and was the jealous younger sibling of another kid on the Zariman (perhapse of you even?) He spend years alone on board of it until you created Duviri. And he sort of played with you and with the people and you kept him company, not understanding that that means that he makes you suffer. When you wanted to get out, he was indeed as you said: afraid to be alone again. And he also got jealous when you met Teshin because you liked him more than himself. Eventually you put him in his place, tell him that he can keep his throne, and you keep playing with him, as long as he doesn't mess with you or Teshin and let's you go as you please.
I dislike duviri's gameplay, but I love it as a concept. Both Aspects of the tenno, the one who escaped the void and the one who didn't, find themselves in very different but similar situations. The tenno roams the "world of the living" while essentially being a ghost possessing a zombie to fight. The drifter roams the "land of the dead" while only really living when roaming from dream to dream to fight. It reminds me of the Dream Bubbles from a frankly massive webcomic called Homestuck, where the living and dead could co-exist as well as versions of people from different timelines.
So i played duviri before i did play new war, what a mistake ive made. Now that i know what happened on the zariman it just makes more sense for Thrax to be one of the tenno left on there and it makes sense for him to be mad. Not at us but to just have alot of anger in general, we were left on there too for sometime afterall. Sad that there wasnt more context to dominus than what we got because "all tenno are known to lotus". If she knew that rell and thrax were tenno, maybe she couldve talked with em after we get her out of her "eidolon phase" if she even was the person she was in duviri and not just lets another dax or natah herself.
Hey mate, duviri has the intrisics for cavalry, if you level up to 8 or 9 you unlock the option to use the horse in the open worlds, like Deimos, Fortuna and Cetus.
Oay ok ...ok I get it; it's been too long I will go back into Warframe I will even make a video about it (no-one will watch lol) but now is the time you have convinced me :)
You should check out Giza Plains, The Dalmasca eastersand, The Dalmasca Westersand, Naivety, Little Rascal from Final Fantasy XII (for the start - that game is huge so the soundtrack is also enormous) - the soundtrack to this game is one of the best in gaming - I like Prokofiev, Kabalevsky, Bach, Wagner, Rachmaninoff. The structure of these songs often changes throughout, which I particularly like. Moreover, they are rich in variety of instruments, which are used very sensitively. And an important detail, the original is better than the later version.
So based on the duviri lore- old teshin is infact the real teshin. He was also pulled into the void when the operator and lotus were. But, due to void time shinanigans teshin landed in duviri a while before the hand did and was saved by one of the duviri characters. Im still a bit unsure if thrax was another kid from the Zeriman or if he was made from the void like the others. He has a couple human limbs. Maybe its a bit of both? Maybe one of the children took on the thrax persona.
One theory I've heard is it could be a sibling in an alternate timeline. If you look at some of the flashbacks like the parents getting their photo taken with a child but the shadow of the "Thrax kid" being away from it and then in our dormizone is a photo of what is likely supposed to be our parents holding us as a baby. The idea is maybe we turned down Wally in that timeline but someone else didn't. Someone else that wanted to "save them", a younger sibling that wanted to save themselves and us into a fantasy world.
I've stopped playing Warframe when the first open world map came out, I had around 800 hours in the game so far but it was so overwhelming for me and every time when I try to play again I have like a billion expansion to go through, I loved the story, the art style and the music and all the vision what the creators have, but I can't play it anymore. I'm sure I've missed a lot of content and a lot of lore, I wish somebody can summarize the story of the 3 open world map, there was something with the lotus goes evil, and many many more...
I can summarize it pretty well for you, but it is still infinitely better to experience it first hand. You have indeed missed a mountain of content between the launch of the plains and the whispers in the wall. But if you really want the info. I will spill its a lot to cover though so in the interest of brevity I'll have to pair things down to a very overall summary
I would love to read your summary if you don't mind. I remember how amazing it felt when I did the quest for Excalibur Umbra for example, the storytelling is so good of the game it is truly a love project of the developers. It's just I try to limit my gametime to 1-2 hours / day and Warframe is something which will require so much more time to truly enjoy.
Alright, spoilers ahead for anyone else reading this -------- ------- So the three open world areas, plains being the first all have a similar premise, theyre a village in trouble. For cetus its that the grineer are trying to establish the plains of eidolon and the tower of unum as permanent bases, lotus picks up on their position, and sends us down to keep the griner from gaining any ground. In fortuna its the constant weight of debt-slavery that is slowly crushing the people there, in fact they had a rebellion faction that was fighting back, but nef anyo set his exploiter orb on them and they took heavy casualties, which broke the spirit of the rebel leader. When we arrive we help some people and inadvertently let some poor guy get most of his body harvested to cover his family debts. Then set to work making good on that and in the process fet the leader back in the game, unlike the plains the corpus is already very well established permanently in the orb vallis, so instead our missions there are mostly about stealing and erasing debt ledgers, hampering new weapons development, and getting intel on who the corpus will raid next. The third open world is the real juicy one. Deimos, mars's second moon. Is completely overrun with infestation, but a variant strain of it that seems separate from the normal infested hive mind. For them, we get the request for aid directly from the... Survivors.. the entrati family. A family of five infested orokin. The entrati family were once headed by Albrecht Entrati, the man who discovered the void, invented void travel and more, but since went missing. His wife, now called grandmother, his daughter, now called mother, and her husband, father, and children son and daughter, all have a shitload of serious family issues, and their assistant, Loid which is basically a cephalon butler. but we're called in because an artefact called the heart of deimos is under threat. The heart is one of Albrechts inventions, and is like a conduit that allows void energy to pass into our world in a stable manner, it is the wellspring that fuels the warframes transference tech, the solar rails, basically everything. So we help mend the heart before we lose our powers, and deprive the system of its only means of interplanetary travel on a Reasonable time scale. We find out that grandmother sabotaged the heart to force the family to call for aid and knew the tenno would come, and their actions would force the family to work together with the tenno and eachother to save what is left of their lives. The general loop after then becomes a mixture of missions to reclaim lost research or conduct new, to deal with any threats from the infestation, and over time, we end up mending their family ties, they each tell fragments of their story, and we learn how deimos was infested. In short, mother was obsessed with finding Albrecht, to the extent when her husband suggested she stop, she cut his arm off, its unclear but i believe this was after the infestation had begun. The infestation itself was loosed by son who as a moody petulant teen does, broke containment as a way to get attention. But the infestation spread far quicker than expected. And everyone was too preoccupied with family drama to work together to fix it in time.
The lotus storyline is a lot more nuanced but over the arc from natah and second dream all the way to new war we can establish the following: Again spoilers. Natah was sent by her parents as part of the old war, she was a mimic type sentient, and her goal was to sabotage and cripple the source of the tenno, the resevoir on lua. Where the tenno slept in stasis pods while transferred into warframes in the process dubbed the second dream, preventing the tenno from aging but allowing them to fight on. What we're initially told that lotus took pity on us as she could not have kids of her own is... Unfortunately a lie. Or at least mostly a lie. See the sentients were told about lua by ballas, his planned defection, lifetimes in the making. Even after umbras flashback. But when natah slipped into the reservoir, she was captured, and rewritten by ballas, her mind reshaped into likeness of margulis, who ballas in his sick twisted way loved, despite voting for her execution when she defied the orokin to protect the tenno. Anyway this new natah. The lotus believing it was her choice, turned her back on her people and became the Tenno's oversight and mission control, even directing them to brutally maim her brother Erra when the sentients raided lua in force after their infiltration failed and cost them natah. After that things play out kind of as we already know. The tenno win the war and immediately slaughter almost every orokin in the system, dismantling the empire and creating a sort of new dark age. Which they helped clean up for a while before they entered the long sleep, with lotus watching over us and who wakes us up when time demands it. During the story, ballas who also hid himself in cryo sleep probably on lua, awakes and then seeks out the lotus, using the control he coded into her to force her into abandoning us and leaving with him as his surrogate margulis. We find her reverted to her natah form in the sacrifice and she rescues, and then ensures ballas gets treatment for his stab wound, which involves him getting a graft of sentient tech onto his body making him a butt ugly sentient cyborg. From there we get another vision ballas as a broken gollum like version of himself assembling the idea of a sentient slaying greatsword. And rambling about how natah was never truly his or the tennos and it was all her con job to play us. (Which is a lie and also makes no damn sense, if lotus were to betray us as the sentient, she would have been much better off just cutting life support to our pods the way she was originally supposed to) We build the golden butter knife, and the new war begins, natahs time with the tenno, and upgrades from ballas perhaps have left her uniquely able to use the void in a way other sentients cannot. So she uses that to open the gates and begin the new war Fortuna and cetus get messed up, deimos doesnt because very few people even know the Entrati family endures and the infestation can hold it's own against sentients During the new war we try to rescue natah, only to fail, ballas cutting her hand off with the blade he tricked us into building as a lotus falls into a portal. Then the operator is impaled on the same blade and falls in too. Smash cut to... Months or years later, ballas has become the narmer, a new king of the solar system, using veils, headgear that twist memory and perception to make people loyal and subservient. Fancy mind control, based on the headpieces orokin towers use to turn invaders into corrupted, who become part of the security system. A mysterious drifter appears and starts raiding narmer camps, freeing people before theyre fitted with veils but drawing the ire of an archon (an old war figure made by a sentient merging with a felled warframe from old war battlefields. It seems that this drifter is like our operator if they grew up, but lost their powers, operating out of our orbiter, buried in a cave and using a stolen grineer ship instead of a landing craft. Theyre being helped by ordis who has to use a mobile body like a sentinel because the orbiter is kept in a low power state. And sitting in our transferrence chair, is natah, an eidolon now, a sentient undead. Slowly wasting away. The drifter eventually decides to ask the only person that might know how to help her. And goes to see hunhow, who is still lying on the bottom of the uranus oceans with shadow stalker. A great dialogue plays out, and hunhow agrees to help us save his daughter. He tells us that the crystals that archons used to raise themselves from battlefields can be used to revive natah. But she wont be the same. And gives us a bow We go and do the thing, fight archons without even our void powers or a warframe and after feeding lotus two shards, she realizes that the drifter isnt the tenno as there is no void connection and theyre older, and goes on a small rampage
During this time we see a flashback of the operator on the zariman ten zero. of how they were approached and offered a deal. By their void dopoleganger. The power to save the kids, and offers a handshake, however the dopolegangers hand becomes the lotuses severed hand from earlier. The operator takes the deal. And we get to see a fragment of the orokin concept of eternalism at work within us, as the operator sees their many other timeline selves die out, leaving only two. Themselves and the drifter. Meanwhile, ordis takes a massive hit for us and seems to die, and the drifter has their void powers awaken just as the operator takes the deal void beam vs sentient beam and explosion, and when the dust clears, its the operator, which lotus does recognize. And then flies off saying she knows what she needs to do. The operator ends up on the zariman. And finds their old classroom where the deal was struck, and their old quarters where they lived with their parents. And they find the drifter there. Theres a discussed explanation of things being put right, ordis is ok, or at least the operators ordis, the drifters ordis is destoryed, the warframes are back. And the drifter explains that they is the operator from a timeline where they were never rescued from the zariman. And were trapped for the millenia that the operator was in cryo sleep for. Though they don't say where. Anywho, turns out the drifter and the operator cannot occupy the same space for very long. Because theyre the same person so a choice is made as to who goes to fight ballas and save the lotus, a badass series of missions ensue involving them uo the unum tower and hitching a ride on the sentient ship lotus steals to go to ballas, and we have our warframe no matter who we pick to send. And we find out ballas is going to use the sentients flagship to eat the sun, so it will have the energy to carry him to tau. We board the ship, kill the last archon, And as we get there ballas steals the last shard, and eats its power himeself. Massive final confirmation ensues, and its a seriously deep breaking down of ballas being a manipulative narcissistic bastard, and lotus even calls him out with the absolute killer line "you dreamt of a margulis you could control, but she chose death over you." Emotional fight ensues and we eventually kick his ass hard enough he steals the greatsword again and stabs lotus, but before he can finish her we jump on his back and slap one of his own veils on his face. He sees natah as margulis, and she tricks him into kissing her, where she can drain the last archon shards power back from him. Along with his life. He collapses hella dead. And lotus is reborn.
My interpretation of Duviri is that it isnt actually real, it's a fictional place. [Spoilers for anyone who hasnt done the Quests] The emotions seen are really child-like and it heavily reflects in the emotions expressed. We see the events of a child going through daily activities and feeling emotions as a result, and the characters speak rather mature only to break down into child-like fits. Futhermore, characters like Teshin are alive in Duviri, but when you go into Relays to find him, he is still missing/dead, Duviri is the only place he CAN exist because it's just a made-up place, an area full of stories. It's also why you see drawings of Kaithes in Duviri, it's imaginary and made-up. The Undercroft is a place meant to make up "battles lost and distant" but realistically you cannot correct the past, it's the Operator's obsession with failure and wanting to right a wrong. Kullervo is a frame that the Operators probably relate to due to his persecution from the Orokin Empire relating to how they were treated after the Zariman 10-0 disaster. The Warden for Kullervo is a representation of Ballas, but not actually him, since he was one of the Makers, one of the Golden Lords, and the person who sentenced people to death which is hinted at through the quests (Second Dream, the War Within, the Sacrifice). Death is presented by times... well... they actually died. Operators are shown to have multiple lives in gameplay, but also lore-wise it is expressed that Operators have multiple lives, a limited amount but still multiple lives, probably due to them possessing transference/void powers. "You cant kill the Devil, you can only send it back to Hell..." and maybe Duviri IS that Hell?
"realistically you cannot correct the past" Looks like someone skipped class in the New War. But I mean yeah the void isn't a real place in the physical sense, the void is more of an experience. And those experiences stick with you like any real thing would.
Well, old man Teshin is as real in duviri as the Holdfasts are real in the Zariman. Duviri is real, like physically. As real as it can be inside of the void, at least. We don't know the "realness" of the void's creations when they are out of the void. But yeah, an experience is a nice way to think about the void
Duviri is both real and is not real at the same time. It persists outside of Zariman, in Void itself. Void is a land of concepts that are turned into reality, and Duviri was created purely by thoughts of those who were exposed to Void. All of it's inhabitants are not ... Conventially alive. Remnants. Bodies. Lingering thoughts. Or maybe all 3 of them. Teshin died in outer world, but his body fell into the void, and was reanimated basically, at cost of being only able to continue existing within Void. Most of Duviri population are imprints of people of Zariman. How Dominus Thrax became a king with complete power is an interesting question i have no idea how to answer onto though. He should be one of the real people that got into the Void, and his imagination allows to directly impacts environment. But to achieve such power medium was required? Throne to attribute control to?Also Thrax can be actual Tenno that made deal with devil but ran into Void instead of being extracted by Orokin? And he used his power to form virtual space where he will be in full control of his emotions (as respond to the world and trauma)? But he cannot create people from nothing, it is too godly of a power. So he used existing entities that fell into void to form his citizens. But Zariman is part of both worlds, and serves as a dividing wall between these 2 worlds, and only those who belong to both worlds can cross this barrier. Specifically Tenno and Drifter(s) as they are 2 living counterparts. Maybe some other entities as well? But both iterations of same person cannot exist on one side at the same time, especially so as Void is basically outside of common time-space understanding. Also, interesting theory. Every time you die as Warframe, to revive Drifter was killed by Thrax in one cycle before you broke cycle.
@@Dambiello Well I see where you are coming from, I personally just disagree. All timelines were removed except for 2 specifically, one the where the Tenno's made a deal with TMITW, one where they didnt, as per the agreement made. While we dont know if more timelines can branch off from these two, I personally believe the deal with TMITW makes it so only two timelines can exist at a given time, meaning there would not be a timeline branching from won/lost battles. But to be fair, a LOT of Warframe's lore is... not really defined well. We DO have a lot of world building but there are just important story elements that are sometimes just glossed over or full of plot holes (i.e. The Second Dream is FULL of them).
I definitely don't think Dominus is Rell. Their behaviour and mode of speech are completely different. They're either another child of the Zariman 10-0 or they're a different incarnation of the Tenno/Drifter, the part that doesn't physically age like the Drifter, the inner tantruming child who is simultaneously in control of everything but not their own emotions.
Dominus is a character written by Euleria, whom in itself was a fictional character Albrecht made up as a fairy tale story to child Euleria back then. They have nothing to do with Rell.
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Fun fact: When you get stabbed at 4:16 you can hear Ballas saying “But you can send it back to hell” in the background which was right after Ballas cut off Lotus’ hand
same time ballas stabs operator in the new war. it happens here "something" sabts drifeter
@@whynotusepaper468 yeah a like spectral version of the paraceisis or however you spell it
@@whynotusepaper468 Well Ballas did open a void portal on the sentient ship in which Lotus/Natah fell after he cut her hand off. That's the point everything got mixed together and twisted, as before we the Tenno were in our world and the Drifter was doing his spiral everyday until we both got stabbed and the hand fell.
I love when it all clicks that this is the world of a child trying to cope with the world
All these people are so intense because he is a child, everything feels so intense emotionally
In the end he realized the throne isnt what he wants. The throne is control, dominating those emotions, but he decides to relinquish that and let himself just live with those emotions side by side. Not controlling, not controlled by
And now he is the hand for Thrax, reaching out and stopping him when it all gets to intense and out of control
or just to get teshin back you know
The final monologue by the Drifter at the end really sticks with me. The colour drains from the world and you stop feeling... that's depression for me. I keep struggling against the spiral, and stories like this keep me at it. For a free, grindy MMO, Warframe doesn't need to have the stories it does, but I'm thankful that it does.
Exactly, that's why Euleria Entrati wrote this book. To ensure zariman tripulation doesn't lose their feelings in the space and the void.
If you ever play Duviri regularly (which most people don't), try to idle near important / regular NPC's, they all have either lore implicated dialogue or just a couple hilarious lines.
By the way, you can loot your Dormizone for decorations to bring to your Orbiter!
I choose to decorate both my ship, and my room on the Zariman. :D
Oh thank you, I love playing Duviri but I never did that
Reba has got to be developer of the year.She has brung new and old players back to warframe. It feels like 2017 all over again
She doesnt develop anything though? Her entire job is to give the ideas.
Most of these things were already in the works, but she actually plays the game
@@methanoIAs the geek she is, she is perfect for this job. The fact that she plays the game is just the cherry on top.
@@methanoI IIRC she did develop Voruna's abilities herself, which does make her fit into the "developer" mold, but that's probably closer to a "gameplay designer" role.
@@GabeHowardd Ehh, I wouldnt say playing the game is a minimum, being good at it is.
I remember watching her "showcase" the Kullervo fight, and still get her ass kicked by him despite having cheats on.
This is one of my favourite quests, the art, the music, the theme of disocciation, trauma and depression. I loved this update
Oh Duviri! This one is weird because I played this BEFORE the new war so everything was really confusing at the time.
Funny, because it also makes the new war far less confusing.
@@bear576 Yeah they, coupled with the context of Angels of the Zariman, really play off eachother.
@@bear576 Yeah, it was about 3 months after when I got to play the New War that everything in Duviri started making sense.
i honestly believe it was a mistake to place the duviri paradox anywhere but after new war/angels of zariman
yes funny as bear said. playing this before new war actually makes you understand new war a lot better.
I can't wait for you to experience the latest stuff they added with Whispers in the Wall. Without a doubt it's my favorite out of everything in Warframe. The personal story, the setting, the music, I don't know how they continue to one up themselves but Digital Extremes has made one of my favorite pieces of art.
Not to mention how interesting the history behind getting the game first developed is, imo.
Your content is great! I'm eager to see your next stream
Repeating this comment here, too!
This comment has spoilers. Save reading it for when you're done watching.
The spiral of Duviri is the character's journey through depression. Duviri is a fantasy world the Drifter constructed around themselves to escape from the trauma of reality; they start trapped inside of the spiral, all emotion, all stimulus drained from them through the endless, repeating torment, the fantasy having turned against them. Lotus' hand is a literal helping hand that helps them start the process of escaping the spiral, and each act is an emotion, one of the Drifter's emotions and memories that they lost to the fog of depression, one that the Drifter regains through the process of overcoming it, and color slowly returns to the characters and scenes.
It ends with the Drifter giving up control of the spiral; they understand now that they are their own master, and cannot be controlled by it any longer, symbolizing their escape from depression and fantasy into the real and healthy world. The damage was done, but they are able to accept and move on from the past.
Duviri really struck me hard. I relate to it in a lot of ways, having escaped my own spiral. It's by far the most beautiful and eloquent narrative Warframe has created to date, and I hope more people learn to appreciate the deep emotional undertones underneath.
Well maybe but, Im pretty sure it's actually albrecht entrati's daughter who created duviri. With the new lore from the whispers in the walls quest Albrecht says he went to duviri and made a lab and even taught the child king about the threats beyond the "wall". All of it seems to have happened before the drifter.
Well, Euleria did write the book of "Tales of Duviri." Which the Zariman children/people had to read to be prepared for the void's emotional weirdness. That imaginary world was manifested by the drifter through conceptual embodiment, inspired by the book
@@TheJimhim He LITERALLY says "Thrax didnt make this place." "You did." The Drifter created Duviri the realm from the storybook, Tales of Duviri, as a coping mechanism. The concept of time doesn't exist in the Void, as evidenced by the fact that you *go back in time* in the same labs where you found that entry.
ohhh okay i guess i just misunderstood it then, thanks for clearing that up for me 😂
duviri is one of my favourite gameplay as story telling in warframe... like even after you leave, every time you do enter the spiral to play for rewards on a gameplay level, narrative wise is your drifter dealing with mentals and emotions to keep themselves healthy, its really cool
It's best to be played solo in my opinion. I sit on my couch with my serround sound system, playing the Duviri experience, exploring the world, finding secrets. And then the music, and ambient sounds truly immerse me.
there was a time when apparently duviri was going to be an optional way to start the game instead of the first mission/Vor's prize but apparently they undid that
Wait they did?
@@tristankahl6843 yep update Update 33.6 in July 2023 removed the Duviri starting path and just made the quest available after Vor's prize
They did add it but eventually removed it because "it did not represent the majority of warframe's gameplay." Which is understandable
The main reason why they took away the Duviri start away is because in Duviri the stuff you use comes with a full mod loadout and in general feels WAY more powerful than the regular start to Warframe, Vor's Prize. Also the fact that the mod screen is inscrutable for a new player, so going from a mode where you don't have to worry about how your weapon is modded because it Just Works, to trying to figure out why your weapons now seem to suck in comparison could shock new players into dropping the game.
That said, you can still go straight to Duviri right after completing Vor's Prize still
Its also understandable why they give duviri to new player. You are able to test different random weapons/frame before you commit to investing on said item in origin system.
God man, this was an experience. Always loved your analysis of the musical and artistic elements of stuff, and getting it in real time (so to speak) like this was a treat. The Duviri Paradox is definitely a jewel to be cherished in the Warframe crown.
Next time you do a run through Duviri you should check out the Archarbor, there’s a puzzle there involving Thrax statues that leads to a room below the Archabor that has some interesting info!
Spoilers for the Puzzle below:
The Hacking terminal nearest to Arcrithis will lead you into a cave that has a terminal that needs to be activated, to activate it you must find 3 Thrax statues and face them TOWARDS the center of the Archabor, then return to the console in the cave, activate it and ride your Kaithe into the secret room. There’s a Paragrim puzzle in there that gives some very nice rewards alongside the lore related consoles.
Keep in mind you can also leave Duviri and keep all rewards, so if the mood is right check it out, you can always leave right after if you don’t want to take down a Wyrm.
It is funny when a new update is released, I kind of play it fast running only to unlock the new stuff that has been brought to the game. Right now rewatching your gameplay, I got to understand many things about the lore that I didn't pay attention before. As the paradox happening all before the events of new war and the reason why the drifter came to the other side and helped the operator. And I didn't remember he being the king and the creator of that world all along. Glad I rewatched it.
It makes me super happy watching Marco play warframe. the first video of him i saw is him hearing "We All lift together". and then the main quests pops up. not only he analyze the music, the dude is actually understanding the lore. as a lore guy. this brings tear to my eye. brings me back to the first time i opened warframe back in 2015. mad respect, Marco.
In the Thrax's tale, the dying father is the Orokin Empire, and the third son is the Tenno who killed the immortal 7 Orokin leaders.
The Warframe music team around Keith Power never disappoints. They just produce banger after banger. Can't wait to see what his former second in command George Spanos can cook up in Soulframe
I love how you got so invested in the story. "What did the child say?! What did the child say?!!? " :D
😂😂😂
Your stuff is awesome dude. Have been especially enjoying the warframe playthrough recently. Keep being you.
Oum ve xata vuk
Mara luhk
07:01 - Now you are truly one of us, Tenno.
I got into just listening to this play through, but had to tab over when Marco says 'This is Thrax's world, we're just living in it.' Because... yeah.
I just know he’s gonna love angels of the zariman and whispers in the walls!
He already played the Zariman quest
@@nflhd8678 damn, I gotta find that
I always thought it was the operators hand that was cut off, and ended up giving you transference powers. Now I'm not sure. Also side note the New war quest gives you the talk about eternalism and shows you the deal with the man in the wall, where in all the other realities of yourself die to give your current self power. However this only extended up to the point of this one decision which is why there are two outcomes, and thus two operators as a result of said decision. It also in theory explains why you can't kill the tenno. Thanks to all of the other realities being mushed into one, in all your failures you die, restart, and then eventually mission succeed is the reality you keep.
It's definitely the Lotus's hand, if you watch the scene with Ballas again, you can see Lotus fall into the portal without it.
It's the sentient-slayer, and both times Ballas used it to hit a sentient
There are some really cool duviri paradox theories on RUclips and Warframe theories in general but by far my favorite are the duviri ones. My favorite quest is still probably the second dream just on impact alone, but I love what duviri has to say about trauma, help, growth and change so much more then any of the themes in any other quest. However, I feel that Teshin could go with saying ‘paradox’ and few dozen less times.
warframe's storytelling and music design always blows me away and I don't know how they keep doing it
Oh shit! i get it now! ... that last sentence by bombastine... when declares Death by Empalement... was actually Teshin's sentence... that's why he is so heavily wounded and dying when we found him!..
Such a great quest! Glad you enjoyed it as much as I did.
Notice how the Lotus' hand rips the Drifter's hand apart and then snuggles in the wrist. You can actually still see the Drifter's fingers dangling on the arm....
Love seeing all your reactions on this Warframe playthrough, and I'm glad you didn't sensor anything, there really are a lot of "oh shit" moments hahaha
Last years was really good update wise, Duviri being my favorite of the updates.
League of Legends released an epic cinematic you should see Marco called "Still here"
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for clarity's sake(SPOÎLERS?)
Dominus Thrax is YOU the Drifter
He represents all of the emotions that we had to bottle up in order ot survive in the Zariman since in the Drifter's version of events we didnt take the Man in the Wall's deal and had ot fend off for ourselves.
the issue is, we are still in the void and these emotions merged with the doll and the book(titled "tales of duviri") and manifested into a sort of pocket dimension we now know as Duviri while the Doll, representing Us became its ruler: this is why all of the inhabitatns of Duviri call you the Young king, because ot them you are Dominus Thrax.
this is also why its important that we didnt harm Dominus thrax here and gave him back the throne.
As long as the Drifter doesnt come ot terms with their emotions(Anger, Joy, Sorrow, Envy, Fear) the Drifter is NOT ready ot leave duviri safely, if they had harmed thrax here, it would mean the drifter succumbed ot his anger anbd is NOt ready ot leave. This is also why at the end Thrax relents and allows us to " leave" if we so choose.giving him back the throne shows we are ready.
I played duviri before the new war and had to search in youtube to understand the lotus hand part
6:00 lmao. that ONE frame of "death" as it went back sent me. good ol schadenfreude.
13:15 I occasionally wall cling, maybe for arcane arachne buffs, or for personal style points/shenanigans, but I wish they'd fix the wall melee attack which used to launch you towards the target you're aiming at when you use it. But now it doesn't do it like 99% of the time and you just flop. :< otherwise I'd do it a whole lot more. occasionally maybe a wall hop to refresh bullet jump in midair.
cant wait to see you doing whisper!
Thrax is the Void-fragmented psyche of kid-Tenno when the Zariman disaster happened. The strong untempered emotions manifested as figures from folklore/tales the kid had read about, same as everything else in Duviri - imagery of the 'promised land' that Tau was made out to be. Thrax is egocentrism - that childish notion that the world revolves around, and should be subject to, one's whims. Duviri gameplay is overcoming and tempering such notions, a figurative expression of personal growth, "mastering oneself." Furthermore the Orokin culture was authoritarian to the utmost extreme - also reflected in Thrax - so it figures that the only Tenno that made it out of the Void were the ones who, deep down, refused to ever truly submit - to ever "kneel" to such tyranny.
That elevates all the music from Duviri SO much. So much can be unpacked about all the tracks with the above in mind, it's really quite something.
Becoming the dragon in this quest was one of THE BEST moments in gaming
If you're going to change the subscriber sound it would be cool to have it be you singing a short bit of the melody to This is What You Are
4:21 the two last brain cells in evry warframes player brain WAIT WHAT ...
The best theory is that the King 'Dominus Thrax' is the Drifter timeline Rell.
that opera soundtrack is pretty neat i got to say.
Another theory I have heard that Thrax indeed is real and not a manifestation. He was a Tenno who couldn't get along with the others and was the jealous younger sibling of another kid on the Zariman (perhapse of you even?) He spend years alone on board of it until you created Duviri. And he sort of played with you and with the people and you kept him company, not understanding that that means that he makes you suffer. When you wanted to get out, he was indeed as you said: afraid to be alone again. And he also got jealous when you met Teshin because you liked him more than himself.
Eventually you put him in his place, tell him that he can keep his throne, and you keep playing with him, as long as he doesn't mess with you or Teshin and let's you go as you please.
I dislike duviri's gameplay, but I love it as a concept. Both Aspects of the tenno, the one who escaped the void and the one who didn't, find themselves in very different but similar situations.
The tenno roams the "world of the living" while essentially being a ghost possessing a zombie to fight.
The drifter roams the "land of the dead" while only really living when roaming from dream to dream to fight.
It reminds me of the Dream Bubbles from a frankly massive webcomic called Homestuck, where the living and dead could co-exist as well as versions of people from different timelines.
So i played duviri before i did play new war, what a mistake ive made. Now that i know what happened on the zariman it just makes more sense for Thrax to be one of the tenno left on there and it makes sense for him to be mad. Not at us but to just have alot of anger in general, we were left on there too for sometime afterall. Sad that there wasnt more context to dominus than what we got because "all tenno are known to lotus". If she knew that rell and thrax were tenno, maybe she couldve talked with em after we get her out of her "eidolon phase" if she even was the person she was in duviri and not just lets another dax or natah herself.
Hey mate, duviri has the intrisics for cavalry, if you level up to 8 or 9 you unlock the option to use the horse in the open worlds, like Deimos, Fortuna and Cetus.
So theres a quiz tablet in a cave in duviri that has the question where was Albert entrati buried answers: on lua (a) or (b) thats what you think
Oay ok ...ok I get it; it's been too long I will go back into Warframe I will even make a video about it (no-one will watch lol) but now is the time you have convinced me :)
I just discovered you and i really enjoy the content. I like how you feel the music. Also have you heard 'A beautiful song' from nier automata?
You should check out Giza Plains, The Dalmasca eastersand, The Dalmasca Westersand, Naivety, Little Rascal from Final Fantasy XII (for the start - that game is huge so the soundtrack is also enormous) - the soundtrack to this game is one of the best in gaming - I like Prokofiev, Kabalevsky, Bach, Wagner, Rachmaninoff.
The structure of these songs often changes throughout, which I particularly like. Moreover, they are rich in variety of instruments, which are used very sensitively.
And an important detail, the original is better than the later version.
Could you give some of Remnant 2s Soundtracks a Listen like the Nightweavers theme or the Red Prince?
2:29 ngl that timing got me lmao
So based on the duviri lore- old teshin is infact the real teshin. He was also pulled into the void when the operator and lotus were. But, due to void time shinanigans teshin landed in duviri a while before the hand did and was saved by one of the duviri characters.
Im still a bit unsure if thrax was another kid from the Zeriman or if he was made from the void like the others. He has a couple human limbs. Maybe its a bit of both? Maybe one of the children took on the thrax persona.
One theory I've heard is it could be a sibling in an alternate timeline. If you look at some of the flashbacks like the parents getting their photo taken with a child but the shadow of the "Thrax kid" being away from it and then in our dormizone is a photo of what is likely supposed to be our parents holding us as a baby. The idea is maybe we turned down Wally in that timeline but someone else didn't. Someone else that wanted to "save them", a younger sibling that wanted to save themselves and us into a fantasy world.
i know your almost there to the quest but i want your reaction to the whisper in the walls boss theeme.
Hello, marco. I recommend reacting to 'The statues of music' from solo leveling, i'm sure you'll enjoy it.
I've stopped playing Warframe when the first open world map came out, I had around 800 hours in the game so far but it was so overwhelming for me and every time when I try to play again I have like a billion expansion to go through, I loved the story, the art style and the music and all the vision what the creators have, but I can't play it anymore.
I'm sure I've missed a lot of content and a lot of lore, I wish somebody can summarize the story of the 3 open world map, there was something with the lotus goes evil, and many many more...
I can summarize it pretty well for you, but it is still infinitely better to experience it first hand.
You have indeed missed a mountain of content between the launch of the plains and the whispers in the wall. But if you really want the info. I will spill its a lot to cover though so in the interest of brevity I'll have to pair things down to a very overall summary
I would love to read your summary if you don't mind. I remember how amazing it felt when I did the quest for Excalibur Umbra for example, the storytelling is so good of the game it is truly a love project of the developers. It's just I try to limit my gametime to 1-2 hours / day and Warframe is something which will require so much more time to truly enjoy.
Alright, spoilers ahead for anyone else reading this
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So the three open world areas, plains being the first all have a similar premise, theyre a village in trouble.
For cetus its that the grineer are trying to establish the plains of eidolon and the tower of unum as permanent bases, lotus picks up on their position, and sends us down to keep the griner from gaining any ground.
In fortuna its the constant weight of debt-slavery that is slowly crushing the people there, in fact they had a rebellion faction that was fighting back, but nef anyo set his exploiter orb on them and they took heavy casualties, which broke the spirit of the rebel leader. When we arrive we help some people and inadvertently let some poor guy get most of his body harvested to cover his family debts. Then set to work making good on that and in the process fet the leader back in the game, unlike the plains the corpus is already very well established permanently in the orb vallis, so instead our missions there are mostly about stealing and erasing debt ledgers, hampering new weapons development, and getting intel on who the corpus will raid next.
The third open world is the real juicy one. Deimos, mars's second moon. Is completely overrun with infestation, but a variant strain of it that seems separate from the normal infested hive mind. For them, we get the request for aid directly from the... Survivors.. the entrati family. A family of five infested orokin.
The entrati family were once headed by Albrecht Entrati, the man who discovered the void, invented void travel and more, but since went missing. His wife, now called grandmother, his daughter, now called mother, and her husband, father, and children son and daughter, all have a shitload of serious family issues, and their assistant, Loid which is basically a cephalon butler. but we're called in because an artefact called the heart of deimos is under threat.
The heart is one of Albrechts inventions, and is like a conduit that allows void energy to pass into our world in a stable manner, it is the wellspring that fuels the warframes transference tech, the solar rails, basically everything. So we help mend the heart before we lose our powers, and deprive the system of its only means of interplanetary travel on a Reasonable time scale.
We find out that grandmother sabotaged the heart to force the family to call for aid and knew the tenno would come, and their actions would force the family to work together with the tenno and eachother to save what is left of their lives.
The general loop after then becomes a mixture of missions to reclaim lost research or conduct new, to deal with any threats from the infestation, and over time, we end up mending their family ties, they each tell fragments of their story, and we learn how deimos was infested.
In short, mother was obsessed with finding Albrecht, to the extent when her husband suggested she stop, she cut his arm off, its unclear but i believe this was after the infestation had begun. The infestation itself was loosed by son who as a moody petulant teen does, broke containment as a way to get attention. But the infestation spread far quicker than expected. And everyone was too preoccupied with family drama to work together to fix it in time.
The lotus storyline is a lot more nuanced but over the arc from natah and second dream all the way to new war we can establish the following:
Again spoilers.
Natah was sent by her parents as part of the old war, she was a mimic type sentient, and her goal was to sabotage and cripple the source of the tenno, the resevoir on lua. Where the tenno slept in stasis pods while transferred into warframes in the process dubbed the second dream, preventing the tenno from aging but allowing them to fight on.
What we're initially told that lotus took pity on us as she could not have kids of her own is... Unfortunately a lie. Or at least mostly a lie.
See the sentients were told about lua by ballas, his planned defection, lifetimes in the making. Even after umbras flashback. But when natah slipped into the reservoir, she was captured, and rewritten by ballas, her mind reshaped into likeness of margulis, who ballas in his sick twisted way loved, despite voting for her execution when she defied the orokin to protect the tenno.
Anyway this new natah. The lotus believing it was her choice, turned her back on her people and became the Tenno's oversight and mission control, even directing them to brutally maim her brother Erra when the sentients raided lua in force after their infiltration failed and cost them natah.
After that things play out kind of as we already know. The tenno win the war and immediately slaughter almost every orokin in the system, dismantling the empire and creating a sort of new dark age. Which they helped clean up for a while before they entered the long sleep, with lotus watching over us and who wakes us up when time demands it.
During the story, ballas who also hid himself in cryo sleep probably on lua, awakes and then seeks out the lotus, using the control he coded into her to force her into abandoning us and leaving with him as his surrogate margulis.
We find her reverted to her natah form in the sacrifice and she rescues, and then ensures ballas gets treatment for his stab wound, which involves him getting a graft of sentient tech onto his body making him a butt ugly sentient cyborg.
From there we get another vision ballas as a broken gollum like version of himself assembling the idea of a sentient slaying greatsword. And rambling about how natah was never truly his or the tennos and it was all her con job to play us. (Which is a lie and also makes no damn sense, if lotus were to betray us as the sentient, she would have been much better off just cutting life support to our pods the way she was originally supposed to)
We build the golden butter knife, and the new war begins, natahs time with the tenno, and upgrades from ballas perhaps have left her uniquely able to use the void in a way other sentients cannot. So she uses that to open the gates and begin the new war
Fortuna and cetus get messed up, deimos doesnt because very few people even know the Entrati family endures and the infestation can hold it's own against sentients
During the new war we try to rescue natah, only to fail, ballas cutting her hand off with the blade he tricked us into building as a lotus falls into a portal. Then the operator is impaled on the same blade and falls in too.
Smash cut to... Months or years later, ballas has become the narmer, a new king of the solar system, using veils, headgear that twist memory and perception to make people loyal and subservient. Fancy mind control, based on the headpieces orokin towers use to turn invaders into corrupted, who become part of the security system.
A mysterious drifter appears and starts raiding narmer camps, freeing people before theyre fitted with veils but drawing the ire of an archon (an old war figure made by a sentient merging with a felled warframe from old war battlefields.
It seems that this drifter is like our operator if they grew up, but lost their powers, operating out of our orbiter, buried in a cave and using a stolen grineer ship instead of a landing craft. Theyre being helped by ordis who has to use a mobile body like a sentinel because the orbiter is kept in a low power state.
And sitting in our transferrence chair, is natah, an eidolon now, a sentient undead. Slowly wasting away. The drifter eventually decides to ask the only person that might know how to help her. And goes to see hunhow, who is still lying on the bottom of the uranus oceans with shadow stalker.
A great dialogue plays out, and hunhow agrees to help us save his daughter. He tells us that the crystals that archons used to raise themselves from battlefields can be used to revive natah. But she wont be the same. And gives us a bow
We go and do the thing, fight archons without even our void powers or a warframe and after feeding lotus two shards, she realizes that the drifter isnt the tenno as there is no void connection and theyre older, and goes on a small rampage
During this time we see a flashback of the operator on the zariman ten zero. of how they were approached and offered a deal. By their void dopoleganger. The power to save the kids, and offers a handshake, however the dopolegangers hand becomes the lotuses severed hand from earlier. The operator takes the deal. And we get to see a fragment of the orokin concept of eternalism at work within us, as the operator sees their many other timeline selves die out, leaving only two. Themselves and the drifter.
Meanwhile, ordis takes a massive hit for us and seems to die, and the drifter has their void powers awaken just as the operator takes the deal void beam vs sentient beam and explosion, and when the dust clears, its the operator, which lotus does recognize. And then flies off saying she knows what she needs to do.
The operator ends up on the zariman. And finds their old classroom where the deal was struck, and their old quarters where they lived with their parents. And they find the drifter there. Theres a discussed explanation of things being put right, ordis is ok, or at least the operators ordis, the drifters ordis is destoryed, the warframes are back. And the drifter explains that they is the operator from a timeline where they were never rescued from the zariman. And were trapped for the millenia that the operator was in cryo sleep for. Though they don't say where.
Anywho, turns out the drifter and the operator cannot occupy the same space for very long. Because theyre the same person so a choice is made as to who goes to fight ballas and save the lotus, a badass series of missions ensue involving them uo the unum tower and hitching a ride on the sentient ship lotus steals to go to ballas, and we have our warframe no matter who we pick to send. And we find out ballas is going to use the sentients flagship to eat the sun, so it will have the energy to carry him to tau. We board the ship, kill the last archon, And as we get there ballas steals the last shard, and eats its power himeself.
Massive final confirmation ensues, and its a seriously deep breaking down of ballas being a manipulative narcissistic bastard, and lotus even calls him out with the absolute killer line "you dreamt of a margulis you could control, but she chose death over you."
Emotional fight ensues and we eventually kick his ass hard enough he steals the greatsword again and stabs lotus, but before he can finish her we jump on his back and slap one of his own veils on his face.
He sees natah as margulis, and she tricks him into kissing her, where she can drain the last archon shards power back from him. Along with his life. He collapses hella dead. And lotus is reborn.
Can i point something out? The way how lotus hand fuse with drifters... it literally split his arm and hand. You can see your dangling, dead fingers.
My interpretation of Duviri is that it isnt actually real, it's a fictional place.
[Spoilers for anyone who hasnt done the Quests]
The emotions seen are really child-like and it heavily reflects in the emotions expressed. We see the events of a child going through daily activities and feeling emotions as a result, and the characters speak rather mature only to break down into child-like fits.
Futhermore, characters like Teshin are alive in Duviri, but when you go into Relays to find him, he is still missing/dead, Duviri is the only place he CAN exist because it's just a made-up place, an area full of stories. It's also why you see drawings of Kaithes in Duviri, it's imaginary and made-up.
The Undercroft is a place meant to make up "battles lost and distant" but realistically you cannot correct the past, it's the Operator's obsession with failure and wanting to right a wrong.
Kullervo is a frame that the Operators probably relate to due to his persecution from the Orokin Empire relating to how they were treated after the Zariman 10-0 disaster.
The Warden for Kullervo is a representation of Ballas, but not actually him, since he was one of the Makers, one of the Golden Lords, and the person who sentenced people to death which is hinted at through the quests (Second Dream, the War Within, the Sacrifice).
Death is presented by times... well... they actually died. Operators are shown to have multiple lives in gameplay, but also lore-wise it is expressed that Operators have multiple lives, a limited amount but still multiple lives, probably due to them possessing transference/void powers. "You cant kill the Devil, you can only send it back to Hell..." and maybe Duviri IS that Hell?
"realistically you cannot correct the past"
Looks like someone skipped class in the New War.
But I mean yeah the void isn't a real place in the physical sense, the void is more of an experience. And those experiences stick with you like any real thing would.
Well, old man Teshin is as real in duviri as the Holdfasts are real in the Zariman. Duviri is real, like physically. As real as it can be inside of the void, at least. We don't know the "realness" of the void's creations when they are out of the void. But yeah, an experience is a nice way to think about the void
Duviri is both real and is not real at the same time. It persists outside of Zariman, in Void itself. Void is a land of concepts that are turned into reality, and Duviri was created purely by thoughts of those who were exposed to Void. All of it's inhabitants are not ... Conventially alive. Remnants. Bodies. Lingering thoughts. Or maybe all 3 of them. Teshin died in outer world, but his body fell into the void, and was reanimated basically, at cost of being only able to continue existing within Void.
Most of Duviri population are imprints of people of Zariman. How Dominus Thrax became a king with complete power is an interesting question i have no idea how to answer onto though. He should be one of the real people that got into the Void, and his imagination allows to directly impacts environment. But to achieve such power medium was required? Throne to attribute control to?Also Thrax can be actual Tenno that made deal with devil but ran into Void instead of being extracted by Orokin? And he used his power to form virtual space where he will be in full control of his emotions (as respond to the world and trauma)? But he cannot create people from nothing, it is too godly of a power. So he used existing entities that fell into void to form his citizens.
But Zariman is part of both worlds, and serves as a dividing wall between these 2 worlds, and only those who belong to both worlds can cross this barrier. Specifically Tenno and Drifter(s) as they are 2 living counterparts. Maybe some other entities as well? But both iterations of same person cannot exist on one side at the same time, especially so as Void is basically outside of common time-space understanding.
Also, interesting theory. Every time you die as Warframe, to revive Drifter was killed by Thrax in one cycle before you broke cycle.
The Tenno are immortal, and Ballas figured that if he couldn't kill them, he could weaken them and send them to the void to be stuck in a spiral.
@@Dambiello Well I see where you are coming from, I personally just disagree.
All timelines were removed except for 2 specifically, one the where the Tenno's made a deal with TMITW, one where they didnt, as per the agreement made.
While we dont know if more timelines can branch off from these two, I personally believe the deal with TMITW makes it so only two timelines can exist at a given time, meaning there would not be a timeline branching from won/lost battles.
But to be fair, a LOT of Warframe's lore is... not really defined well. We DO have a lot of world building but there are just important story elements that are sometimes just glossed over or full of plot holes (i.e. The Second Dream is FULL of them).
"I watched 60 minutes of mod videos today" - welcome down the Rabbit Hole Marco ;)
Now you're starting to understand the TRUE depth of this game.
I cried through this too
Dominus is Rell, it's pretty much shown in the cutscenes
I definitely don't think Dominus is Rell. Their behaviour and mode of speech are completely different. They're either another child of the Zariman 10-0 or they're a different incarnation of the Tenno/Drifter, the part that doesn't physically age like the Drifter, the inner tantruming child who is simultaneously in control of everything but not their own emotions.
@@BobisOnlyBob maybe he's Rell's Drifter
Dominus is a character written by Euleria, whom in itself was a fictional character Albrecht made up as a fairy tale story to child Euleria back then. They have nothing to do with Rell.
marco meatball moar like marco spaghetti lmao
gotta get your reaction out to new league of legends cinematic/music video
7:40 alternate start*
You should react to "Still Here" the new League of legends cinematic :D love the content overall :D
What the fuck? Why did you choose Lua? How are you choosing all my choices?
Hey marco
Warframe still cooking ideas and always trying… thats why i always believe in DE that they will take care its players.
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