I was hoping you would provide something to help us process what has happened with Lawson. But you didn't. A suggestion for the future: If you don't have anything to say, then don't say anything.
Here's the thing, when is the body of Christ accountable for part of these tragedies? Why do we promote pastors to a celebrity status? Are we as the church not wrong in this. The truth is, Steve Lawson was a pastor of a local congregation and should have remained ministering to the specific congregation Christ placed him to serve. Instead, in pursuit of fame and fortune, pastors travel all over the world while neglecting the local body they were called to serve. No one in California needs a pastor from Texas, Alabama, etc flying to their church and preach a message. The need is to raise up qualified individuals within that particular zip code. Furthermore, is that not the one of an evangelist? Do they exist anymore or have they been replaced by pastors who are unwilling to maintain their actual flock? How is any of this a good stewardship of money gifted through grace giving? Finally, if pastors today were bivocational like Christ and all the apostles, they would not have time to have an affair with a female the age of their grandchildren.
He travels a lot....so do you, James. I say start taking your wives with you if you are gone for so long. If you can't, ONLY be there for the days you are preaching and leaving immediately. Pastor Baucham does that.
The mainstream media does a far better job of reporting things than all these so-called podcasters like you who babble on and say nothing. Report the facts and offer intelligent analysis. Instead you babble on as if you know anything or have anything to say.
When pastors fall into sexual sin, it can serve as a wake-up call for the Church to re-evaluate its understanding of leadership and reliance on individuals rather than Christ. In the New Testament, there is no central figure, like a modern pastor, dominating the gathering or holding all spiritual authority. Such failures can remind believers that their faith should not rest on human leaders, who are fallible, but on Christ alone. These moments often prompt deeper reflection on biblical leadership, humility, accountability, and the importance of every believer's active participation in the body of Christ. It exposes the danger of placing too much trust in a single person and encourages a return to the early Church model where Christ is the true head of the Church.
Anyone calling themselves "Pastor" is exposing their own phoniness and hunger for authority, not a true calling to serve. Jesus Himself warned against chasing after titles like "Rabbi" or "Father," yet some ignore His clear instruction to reject such labels in favor of humble servanthood (Matthew 23:8-10). These so-called "pastors" use a title to elevate themselves above others, seeking recognition and control instead of leading by example in Christ-like humility. If their leadership depended on the fruits of the Spirit and genuine service to the body of Christ, they wouldn't need a title to prove it. They're parading a false sense of authority, and it's an insult to the true worship of God in spirit and truth.
Do you not think it's just as bad throwing out tons of media with regards to Steven's failure that are at most, judgmental? Do you not think that this is causing more and more damage to both Steven, his family and Gods church?
A five year affair between a 68 year old man and a 20 year old woman that was outed, not ended, and would have likely continued had the elders not stepped in, sounds pretty carnal to me. But if carnal Christians don't exist, where else do you go with Steve Lawson?
True, he is either a Christian being led by the desires of the flesh, or not a saved man, for him to be a Christian this long and be carnal is alarming at best.
The question is not whether he was engaged in something carnal for a time, but whether, looking and the breadth of his life, if it would be described as carnal. In other words, is this characteristic of his walk with Christ, or have we watched someone stumble in the faith? Carnality is opposite to following Christ, so for someone to say they are Christian and yet they live carnally, and they have been this way always, never growing out of that carnality, or having always been in it, is to lie.
Ironically, Dr. Steven J. Lawson, a married 73 year old Calvinist preacher, and founder of One Passion ministries, also had an additional Secret Passion : he was secretly having an inappropriate relationship with a 20 something year old woman, for the last 5 years, until her father finally confronted him, and ultimately threatened to expose him unless he exposed himself, every detail of which, according to his nefarious philosophy, was already meticulously decreed before time ever began, thus giving a whole new philosophical twist to the infamous old phrase "bad grandpa".
I clicked on this because I have found value in James' perspective. But this does not inform me at all about whatever is going on with Lawson but gives me insight to the politics and economics of the industry involved in Christianity. I wasted 15 minutes.
Was he determined to sin or did he freely sin? According to his preaching everything that happens was ordained by God. So, my question to Lawson is: Did God ordain you to sin?
Watch the Q&A panels at the conferences. I was so troubled about the lightness and joking of Steve Lawson, and all of the men in the panel. How troubling. Discernment is a gift and none of these men have it. RUN! (2 Cor 6:17) Titus 2:1-2 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: [2] That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
I watched everyone with Steve Lawson, RC, Sproul, John MacArthur, etc. and I did see more joking with Steve Lawson and Alistair Begg .It was a little concerning about sacred things.
Has Lawson repented, anyway? I understand this only broke because the young woman's father found out. I am not seeing a full-on repentant Lawson, he admitted to a nebulous charge but only because he was being pressed. This isn't good enough.
If we ACTUALLY have an ONGOING relationship with the LORD, concerned about HIS awareness of what HIS vessels are up too - then it might occur to us that HE had foreknowledge of this etire situation which should cause some very interesting conversations BUT IT HASN'T > 🤪 How well do our leaders know each other? How well do they know YOU LORD JESUS? WHAT I'VE NOTICED TO BE A BIG ISSUE EVERYWHERE IS: A Failure To Communicate > 🤪 GOTTA GO! It's time for my meds > 🤪
@@swan7djj so was king David and God gave him his wives according to the prophet Nathanial. David was only rebuked after taking Uriahs wife. Study your Bible.
A 73-year-old self-righteous reformed pastor is caught in an inappropriate relationship with a girl 50 years younger than him. His congregation, known for nodding through every sermon, is shocked but silent. One of them finally pipes up, "Well, if the pastor did it, who are we to judge? He always says we’re totally depraved anyway!" Another one adds, "Yeah, guess he's just giving us a real-life example of the doctrine!" They all nod in agreement, not realizing the irony of their blind loyalty.
When pastors fall into sexual sin, it can serve as a wake-up call for the Church to re-evaluate its understanding of leadership and reliance on individuals rather than Christ. In the New Testament, there is no central figure, like a modern pastor, dominating the gathering or holding all spiritual authority. Such failures can remind believers that their faith should not rest on human leaders, who are fallible, but on Christ alone. These moments often prompt deeper reflection on biblical leadership, humility, accountability, and the importance of every believer's active participation in the body of Christ. It exposes the danger of placing too much trust in a single person and encourages a return to the early Church model where Christ is the true head of the Church.
Once saved always saved is a doctrine of demons and has collected another soul. We are to strive everyday to walk as Yahusha walked by the Turah and deny ourselves and carry our stake to be His disciples. Eternal security is an abomination and will keep collecting souls for Satan. We are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb for remissions of sins and once a new creature with the Ruach HaQadash we have the supernatural power to overcome our flesh and work (yes, WORK) to walk in Yahusha, having Him increasing in us while we decrease in the flesh. It only ends when we perish, until then it’s spiritual warfare. Demons and spells do enter believers if they do not walk the Way(Turah) the same way that even being saved we carry the curse of Adam and perish, we MUST be humble and pray and fast and walk as Yahusha walked with MUCH FEAR AND TREMBLING. This Xtianity preaches with a hippie JC will keep leading souls to the pit, it’s another daughter of the harlot Babylon and if people don’t come out of it they will drink from the cup of wrath of Yahuah Almighty.
@reformed37 That's not true at all. He feels very strongly about this issue and has already spoken out about it on X apparently. I guarantee he'll be preparing something very appropriate for his RUclips channel. I am definitely looking forward to hearing his comments. He'll deal with it in a very Biblical way, despite the fact that he shares similar theology to Lawson.
He does not like to critique his co horts in his Calvin camp…… It takes outsiders to dig into the issue of the sin… If anything it will be a very very softball ……
@polskigirl8547 Let's just wait and see......Justin is always very firm and Biblical when someone brings such disgrace to the name of Christ.....no matter who it is. I'm sure he'll be calling for nothing less than a complete confession and repentance from Steve Lawson himself and will totally agree that he can never again step into the pulpit ever again.
This whole situation is sad, but the Lord will bring something good out of this horrible situation in due time. The enemy prowls around seeking whom to devour and if anything, this makes me look more to myself and see that I am not entertaining any “small” sins and thinking nothing like this could ever happen to me. This is why we must be the more devoted to prayer and reading God’s Word as the day draws closer.Human beings have failed us and will continue to fail us, but I humbly put my trust in the Lord who will never fail me. Prayers 🙏
When pastors fall into sexual sin, it can serve as a wake-up call for the Church to re-evaluate its understanding of leadership and reliance on individuals rather than Christ. In the New Testament, there is no central figure, like a modern pastor, dominating the gathering or holding all spiritual authority. Such failures can remind believers that their faith should not rest on human leaders, who are fallible, but on Christ alone. These moments often prompt deeper reflection on biblical leadership, humility, accountability, and the importance of every believer's active participation in the body of Christ. It exposes the danger of placing too much trust in a single person and encourages a return to the early Church model where Christ is the true head of the Church.
Most helpful to me was Conversations that Matter. I feel the same as that guy. Never really liked his deliver as it felt impersonal. You never knew him. Maybe he was just an intellectual Christian???
“Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.” 1Tim5:19 These verses seem relevant to this situation.
The audacity of this self-righteous hypocritic guy to think that a one night stand is better than a 5 year stand. Does he even know that a thought itself is as bad as adultery (Mt5:28)?
@@T.Ravikumar the thought is of sleeping with a married woman. Greek translations matter. The church is so messed up cause of poor scholarship aka lack of knowledge is which it perishes as the good book says.
I’m sure Lawson is justifying it by listening to Rick Springfield’s massive 1983- Affair of The Heart”. He probably used Springfield’s 80’s hit to justify this. Don’t scapegoat Rick Springfield on this Mr Lawson- own this sin. Stay on the straight and narrow, don’t use this catchy 80s hit to shipwreck your life.
I suppose that's the "I" lost 4 Steve as grace looks like it can actually be "resisted" (even for 5 years)... More like an actor from TULP fiction in reality...
This is VERY revealing, and really doesn't surprise me, because I concluded two or three years ago that there was something not quite right about Steve Lawson, and I cancelled my OnePassion subscription: there was something too slick about him and lacking in genuine humility.
The question remains as to how much good was God actually producing through Lawson's mostly harmful teaching of God's Word. He laid a harmful, imo, hermeneutics, homiletics, and legalistic sanctification as foundational in many eager Bible students' thinking... which will still have negative influence into the future through their ministries, imo. 🙄 Perhaps God's delay in exposing his sinful practice was to help many question the truth of that foundation.
But, Steve Lawson is not a brick layer; He is a public figure, a widely known pastor who has had quite damning things to say about others who have fallen in this same way. It matters.
From God's perspective he has sinned greatly. God holds the scales. Not man. And he has spoken: Marriage should be honoured by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. But a man who commits adultery has no sense; whoever does so destroys himself. You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!" declares the LORD.Therefore this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says to the shepherds who tend my people: "Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the evil you have done."
The struggle between the Spirit and the flesh is ever present. He succumbed to his flesh and sinned, which is something we all do, and have done. Jesus was the only perfect person who ever lived and walked among us. Let's be true Christians, and pray for everyone involved. 🙏
5 years ago young people were facing COVID with the largest suicide rates. The comfort this young girl needed is the gospel and instead this preacher offered his body. This is gross. 🤢
There is nothing innocent about the role of this woman in this situation. The father is trying to protect his daughter from her sin. She is not a victim. Both she and lawson have committed adultery and don’t insult my intelligence with regard to the fact contended that this was not sexual. I have been around the block 76 times.
Typical Calvinistic drivel. He hasn't addressed the 🐘 in the room: Calvinistic Reformed Theology. What's his problem with his Calvinistic Reformed god's predestined decree for Lawson to commit immorality?
Exactly. No one is taking this as an opportunity to maybe rethink their toxic worm theology. Call people worms and wretches and they will behave like worms and wretches. Imagine that!
When pastors fall into sexual sin, it can serve as a wake-up call for the Church to re-evaluate its understanding of leadership and reliance on individuals rather than Christ. In the New Testament, there is no central figure, like a modern pastor, dominating the gathering or holding all spiritual authority. Such failures can remind believers that their faith should not rest on human leaders, who are fallible, but on Christ alone. These moments often prompt deeper reflection on biblical leadership, humility, accountability, and the importance of every believer's active participation in the body of Christ. It exposes the danger of placing too much trust in a single person and encourages a return to the early Church model where Christ is the true head of the Church.
Anyone calling themselves "Pastor" is exposing their own phoniness and hunger for authority, not a true calling to serve. Jesus Himself warned against chasing after titles like "Rabbi" or "Father," yet some ignore His clear instruction to reject such labels in favor of humble servanthood (Matthew 23:8-10). These so-called "pastors" use a title to elevate themselves above others, seeking recognition and control instead of leading by example in Christ-like humility. If their leadership depended on the fruits of the Spirit and genuine service to the body of Christ, they wouldn't need a title to prove it. They're parading a false sense of authority, and it's an insult to the true worship of God in spirit and truth.
Let me tell you as a testimony. Over 20 years ago, I looked at man and put a lot of faith in man and not God. Man failed me and it almost destroyed me. I cannot remember the Psalms verse, but it warns of putting more faith in man than in God. I'm a believer in that every Christian needs to spend sometime alone, away from everyone, just him, his bible, and God.
Anyone calling themselves "Pastor" is exposing their own phoniness and hunger for authority, not a true calling to serve. Jesus Himself warned against chasing after titles like "Rabbi" or "Father," yet some ignore His clear instruction to reject such labels in favor of humble servanthood (Matthew 23:8-10). These so-called "pastors" use a title to elevate themselves above others, seeking recognition and control instead of leading by example in Christ-like humility. If their leadership depended on the fruits of the Spirit and genuine service to the body of Christ, they wouldn't need a title to prove it. They're parading a false sense of authority, and it's an insult to the true worship of God in spirit and truth.
When pastors fall into sexual sin, it can serve as a wake-up call for the Church to re-evaluate its understanding of leadership and reliance on individuals rather than Christ. In the New Testament, there is no central figure, like a modern pastor, dominating the gathering or holding all spiritual authority. Such failures can remind believers that their faith should not rest on human leaders, who are fallible, but on Christ alone. These moments often prompt deeper reflection on biblical leadership, humility, accountability, and the importance of every believer's active participation in the body of Christ. It exposes the danger of placing too much trust in a single person and encourages a return to the early Church model where Christ is the true head of the Church.
5 years ago young people were facing COVID with the largest suicide rates. The comfort this young girl needed is the gospel and instead this preacher offered his body. This is gross. 🤢
It makes no difference whether it was a one time thing with someone his own age or something with someone much younger over a 5 year period. This is what happens to people who believe the lie that salvation is by faith alone. He proved he believes people should do as he says and not what he does. The Christ would have lumped Lawson in with the Pharisees and Sadducees that he condemned. He is no better than King Herod and the sexual sin that John the Baptist conedemned him of.
Well said. Some of the things you mentioned are some of the very things I have said to friends of mine when asked where I stand. Bottom line is we all need to pray for Steve they 1 he genuinely repents and he is restored to the body of Christ and 2nd for his wife and family as well as the woman and her family. 3rd and finally pray and examine yourself. No one and I mean no one is above this type of sin and behavior. This is a wake up call to the church. In whom do you trust?!
1. Dr. Steve Lawson from the Ligonier Ministries' 2009 National Conference, The Holiness of God containing his address, "The Legacy of John Calvin" given on the occasion of the 500th anniversary of John Calvin's birth: "Rightly has one contemporary author identified John Calvin as the man of the millennium, meaning he is the single greatest influence upon modern history over the last thousand years. I would agree with that, in fact, I would push it out further and say that Calvin is the man of the last two millennia, that you would have to go all the way back to the days of the biblical writers, to Paul and to John, in order to see one who towered above history and has left such a dominant influence. It is almost impossible to overstate the importance and the legacy of John Calvin. William Cunningham, the Scottish divine, said 'Calvin was by far the greatest of the Reformers. Calvin is the man who, next to St. Paul, has done most to mankind.' And no less than Charles Haddon Spurgeon, the prince of preachers, said 'Among all those who have been born of women,' and that pretty much covers the field, 'among all those who have born of women, there has not been risen a greater than John Calvin. No age before him ever produced his equal and no age afterwards has seen his rival.' As a result, S.M. Houghton has written 'It has been said that to omit John Calvin from the history of Western civilization is to read history with one eye closed.' These are among the estimates of Calvin's life and ministry and his place in history, and so the question before us now is 'What is his legacy? Calvin stood at the headwaters of the Reformation and we now stand downstream, and what has flowed downstream to us from the pulpit, the study and the pen of John Calvin?'" 0:58 - 3:21 of Steve Lawson: The Legacy of John Calvin [youtube com /watch?v=xx1g5WfM6Xw] 2. John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book III, Chapter 23, No. 7: "I AGAIN ASK HOW IT IS THAT THE FALL OF ADAM INVOLVES SO MANY NATIONS WITH THEIR INFANT CHILDREN IN ETERNAL DEATH WITHOUT REMEDY UNLESS THAT IT SO SEEMED MEET TO GOD? Here the most loquacious tongues must be dumb. THE DECREE, I ADMIT, IS, DREADFUL; AND YET IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DENY THAT GOD FOREKNOW WHAT THE END OF MAN WAS TO BE BEFORE HE MADE HIM, BECAUSE HE HAD SO ARRANGED BY HIS DECREE. Should any one here inveigh against the prescience of God, he does it rashly and unadvisedly. For why, pray, should it be made a charge against the heavenly Judge, that he was not ignorant of what was to happen? Thus, if there is any just or plausible complaint, it must be directed against predestination. Nor ought it to seem absurd when I SAY, THAT GOD NOT ONLY FORESAW THE FALL OF THE FIRST MAN, AND IN HIM THE RUIN OF HIS POSTERITY, BUT ALSO AT HIS OWN PLEASURE ARRANGED IT." [Beveridge translation, p. 586; NTS Library website /PDF Books/Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, pdf 594 of 944]
You are greatly conflicted about most things of God, so, what is new? How is this complex, he is a fool according to his own words, he only came forward because he was going to be found out or better said was found out. The five years he was lying to everyone is maybe not the only time this has happened, that maybe the reason the student was assigned to him, and the reason he was having this long distance relationship. Is there a point to this video, other than he got caught, I wonder if Justin Peters will do a video on him. Does he, Lawson believe this five year affair is a hiccup? By balanced, do you mean a weekend with his wife, and one weekend with his girlfriend.
A $10,000 bet to the first person who can name and cite a scripture in the New Testament where someone is explicitly given the title of Pastor. The challenge is to provide a clear, direct reference to a person being called "Pastor" as a formal title. Good luck!
I have the right with his all his books that I have a lot of them. I’m keeping them. I’m not reading them for a while. I’m not looking at them matter fact before this all happened I was gonna re-read his book on George Wick, but I’ll probably come back to him someday yeah that whole trust then always looked at myself, and somebody had has some kind of view of the sermon that could figure it kind of stuff out And there’s been others that have had stuff like that. I never care that much for them in our human realm. We’re going by the words that come out of somebody’s mouth. I was fine with everything until I found out. It was like 25 or 20 years old at her age israge now that means he started this with her when she was 2023, which is really bad that signing off we’re dealing with the hurricane both spiritually and physically out here. Thanks for addressing it and giving his name from. I actually heard his name history.
If consistent we should call out Calvary chapel handling of Hocking which allowed their church to double by sheep stealing after ignoring restoration effort
A 73-year-old reformed Pastor is caught in an inappropriate relationship with a girl 50 years younger than him. His congregation, known for nodding through every sermon, is shocked but silent. One of them finally pipes up, "Well, if the pastor did it, who are we to judge? He always says we’re totally depraved anyway!" Another one adds, "Yeah, guess he's just giving us a real-life example of the doctrine!" They all nod in agreement, not realizing the irony of their blind loyalty.
This raises a question I've wondered about for years. King David continued his responsibilities after he murdered Uriah. There's no evidence he spent time in jail, or paid off anyone, or stepped down from anything (as far as I know). So, how did that work?
Comments like this so the kind of theological and even immediate contextual ignorance and immaturity that's almost unexplainable. If you don't understand the context meaning of the term "innocent" in white's talk here, to mean that there are persons who have not betrayed Lawson in ways he has, you need to go back to elementary school English language class. If you can't see that there's a difference between the broader theological definitions of innocence and guilt as far as original sin is concerned (which is not local to Calvinism alone) as opposed to the specific innocence or guilt of a particular act which someone may be guilty or innocent of, why are you even involved in this discussion?
@@bernhardbauer5301 he's being sarcastic. Trying to jab at Calvinism. But this doctrine isn't only part of calvinist theology. Every orthodox Christian believes that we are all born guilty. The palmist wrote "Indeed, I was guilty when I was born; I was sinful when my mother conceived me." Psalm 51:5 The biblical position is in Adam, as part of his human descendants, because he sinned, the corruption he brought on himself, he brought in all that would be born from his seed. So all have sinned because we inherited the sin nature. We are guilty because we have come from sinful parents. Romans 5 and 6 outlines this.
@@indigos290 I believe I am a sinner because I have sinned, not because Adam has sinned in accordance with. Romans 3:23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Psalms 51:5 reads in my bible: Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. I have not sinned at this age. Romans 5 and 6 deal with my condition in my humble opinion. God will not judge me because my father has sinned. I know that John Calvin was a murderer. Martin Luther Was not better. Read his late writings.
I was hoping you would provide something to help us process what has happened with Lawson.
But you didn't.
A suggestion for the future: If you don't have anything to say, then don't say anything.
@@jamesbarksdale978 No concern for the victim, I see. Equally as useless of a comment.
James has an amazing ability to talk for a long time without saying anything.
I’ve made it to 4 mins and nearly fell into a coma. Talk about mealy mouthed
Don’t worry Mr James. Arminians are everywhere
@@1.3m.7 not to worry, I’m free grace, not an idiotic Armenian or Calvinist
The Dividing Line is not very strident - no wonder comments are blocked - whatever happened to dialogue?
Exactly! What was the point of this?
Here's the thing, when is the body of Christ accountable for part of these tragedies? Why do we promote pastors to a celebrity status? Are we as the church not wrong in this. The truth is, Steve Lawson was a pastor of a local congregation and should have remained ministering to the specific congregation Christ placed him to serve. Instead, in pursuit of fame and fortune, pastors travel all over the world while neglecting the local body they were called to serve. No one in California needs a pastor from Texas, Alabama, etc flying to their church and preach a message. The need is to raise up qualified individuals within that particular zip code. Furthermore, is that not the one of an evangelist? Do they exist anymore or have they been replaced by pastors who are unwilling to maintain their actual flock? How is any of this a good stewardship of money gifted through grace giving? Finally, if pastors today were bivocational like Christ and all the apostles, they would not have time to have an affair with a female the age of their grandchildren.
You make so much sense. I guess everyone wants some kind of superhero these days, even in church.
Good grief man. I bailed. What a ramble.
It's his specialty.
Rambling is typical for White - along with arrogance.
A hiccup of 5 years?
Bro i can use this video to fall asleep lol. 😴
Stop making videos unless you are going to offer pertinent info or insight unless you just like to hesr yourself talk.
He travels a lot....so do you, James. I say start taking your wives with you if you are gone for so long. If you can't, ONLY be there for the days you are preaching and leaving immediately. Pastor Baucham does that.
Good advice
The mainstream media does a far better job of reporting things than all these so-called podcasters like you who babble on and say nothing. Report the facts and offer intelligent analysis. Instead you babble on as if you know anything or have anything to say.
Damage control
When pastors fall into sexual sin, it can serve as a wake-up call for the Church to re-evaluate its understanding of leadership and reliance on individuals rather than Christ. In the New Testament, there is no central figure, like a modern pastor, dominating the gathering or holding all spiritual authority. Such failures can remind believers that their faith should not rest on human leaders, who are fallible, but on Christ alone. These moments often prompt deeper reflection on biblical leadership, humility, accountability, and the importance of every believer's active participation in the body of Christ. It exposes the danger of placing too much trust in a single person and encourages a return to the early Church model where Christ is the true head of the Church.
What is the purpose of this video? It looks like White is feeling a bit neglected.
Anyone calling themselves "Pastor" is exposing their own phoniness and hunger for authority, not a true calling to serve. Jesus Himself warned against chasing after titles like "Rabbi" or "Father," yet some ignore His clear instruction to reject such labels in favor of humble servanthood (Matthew 23:8-10). These so-called "pastors" use a title to elevate themselves above others, seeking recognition and control instead of leading by example in Christ-like humility. If their leadership depended on the fruits of the Spirit and genuine service to the body of Christ, they wouldn't need a title to prove it. They're parading a false sense of authority, and it's an insult to the true worship of God in spirit and truth.
😂👍
He isn’t saying anything because it contradicts his reformed theology.
White is not really sure what’s going on here?……..Really?
Welcome to the most pointless video on RUclips.
Stop minimizing.
It takes outsiders to shine the search light on it……insiders are embarrassed that one of their own could possibly be pre destined to such behavior
It’s funny you think he is bc I don’t see it that way at all.
@@bekahwood9971 your entitled to your own opinion
Do you not think it's just as bad throwing out tons of media with regards to Steven's failure that are at most, judgmental? Do you not think that this is causing more and more damage to both Steven, his family and Gods church?
A five year affair between a 68 year old man and a 20 year old woman that was outed, not ended, and would have likely continued had the elders not stepped in, sounds pretty carnal to me. But if carnal Christians don't exist, where else do you go with Steve Lawson?
Good point….
@@robertpeterson9520 that’s a good point, I do believe carnal Christians exist based on how Paul addresses the church at Corinth
@@robertpeterson9520 word is they both insist there was no fornication between them. So..
True, he is either a Christian being led by the desires of the flesh, or not a saved man, for him to be a Christian this long and be carnal is alarming at best.
The question is not whether he was engaged in something carnal for a time, but whether, looking and the breadth of his life, if it would be described as carnal. In other words, is this characteristic of his walk with Christ, or have we watched someone stumble in the faith? Carnality is opposite to following Christ, so for someone to say they are Christian and yet they live carnally, and they have been this way always, never growing out of that carnality, or having always been in it, is to lie.
Ironically,
Dr. Steven J. Lawson,
a married 73 year old Calvinist preacher,
and founder of One Passion ministries,
also had an additional Secret Passion :
he was secretly having an inappropriate relationship with a 20 something year old woman,
for the last 5 years,
until her father finally confronted him,
and ultimately threatened to expose him unless he exposed himself,
every detail of which,
according to his nefarious philosophy,
was already meticulously decreed before time ever began,
thus giving a whole new philosophical twist to the infamous old phrase "bad grandpa".
I missed the ironic connection to you point??
@@bekahwood9971 predestined to the affair
Perfectly phrased. Do you think this problem will help Calvinists to revise their theology?
@@MichaelHernandez-lc2wb I doubt it……
I clicked on this because I have found value in James' perspective. But this does not inform me at all about whatever is going on with Lawson but gives me insight to the politics and economics of the industry involved in Christianity. I wasted 15 minutes.
Was he determined to sin or did he freely sin? According to his preaching everything that happens was ordained by God. So, my question to Lawson is: Did God ordain you to sin?
He rambles. He said nothing. He's a lawyer by profession. I, James White 😂😂😂
He is not a lawyer by any means.
Watch the Q&A panels at the conferences.
I was so troubled about the lightness and joking of Steve Lawson, and all of the men in the panel. How troubling. Discernment is a gift and none of these men have it. RUN! (2 Cor 6:17)
Titus 2:1-2
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: [2] That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
I watched everyone with Steve Lawson, RC, Sproul, John MacArthur, etc. and I did see more joking with Steve Lawson and Alistair Begg .It was a little concerning about sacred things.
Oh stop it.
Has Lawson repented, anyway? I understand this only broke because the young woman's father found out. I am not seeing a full-on repentant Lawson, he admitted to a nebulous charge but only because he was being pressed. This isn't good enough.
It was a nebulous charge because we, the sheep, are just too immature to handle the truth.
13:50 is why Christians loath Calvinist dogma.
If we ACTUALLY have an ONGOING relationship with the LORD, concerned about HIS awareness of what HIS vessels are up too - then it might occur to us that HE had foreknowledge of this etire situation which should cause some very interesting conversations BUT IT HASN'T > 🤪
How well do our leaders know each other?
How well do they know YOU LORD JESUS?
WHAT I'VE NOTICED TO BE A BIG ISSUE EVERYWHERE IS:
A Failure To Communicate > 🤪
GOTTA GO!
It's time for my meds > 🤪
Funny how it's not challenging and complicated when it's a lay person who's caught in adultery
@@swan7djj adultery involves a married woman.
@BrentBassham He was married!!!! Sheesh people are so disgusting in how they make excuses for peoples sin.
@@swan7djj so was king David and God gave him his wives according to the prophet Nathanial. David was only rebuked after taking Uriahs wife. Study your Bible.
Hey James, don't forget God determined Steve Lawson's sin for God's glory.
So, no need for concern.
Yep! That's the nonsense of the (false) Calvinist philosophy White, Lawson, MacArthur, Sproul and others espouse...
-GOD DECREED THIS SIN!
That comment is exactly what John Mac said about Alistair Begg and was fitting for that situation but not a 5 year relationship.
❓
So, is tattooing part of the Jeff Durbin cult.
Yada yada yada from reformed pearson. What if he was an arminin? So sad😢
It was Predestined. The damage to the church, the gospel, and the believers … for the glory of God.
Best comment in this section.
A 73-year-old self-righteous reformed pastor is caught in an inappropriate relationship with a girl 50 years younger than him. His congregation, known for nodding through every sermon, is shocked but silent.
One of them finally pipes up, "Well, if the pastor did it, who are we to judge? He always says we’re totally depraved anyway!"
Another one adds, "Yeah, guess he's just giving us a real-life example of the doctrine!"
They all nod in agreement, not realizing the irony of their blind loyalty.
When pastors fall into sexual sin, it can serve as a wake-up call for the Church to re-evaluate its understanding of leadership and reliance on individuals rather than Christ. In the New Testament, there is no central figure, like a modern pastor, dominating the gathering or holding all spiritual authority. Such failures can remind believers that their faith should not rest on human leaders, who are fallible, but on Christ alone. These moments often prompt deeper reflection on biblical leadership, humility, accountability, and the importance of every believer's active participation in the body of Christ. It exposes the danger of placing too much trust in a single person and encourages a return to the early Church model where Christ is the true head of the Church.
Once saved always saved is a doctrine of demons and has collected another soul.
We are to strive everyday to walk as Yahusha walked by the Turah and deny ourselves and carry our stake to be His disciples. Eternal security is an abomination and will keep collecting souls for Satan.
We are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb for remissions of sins and once a new creature with the Ruach HaQadash we have the supernatural power to overcome our flesh and work (yes, WORK) to walk in Yahusha, having Him increasing in us while we decrease in the flesh. It only ends when we perish, until then it’s spiritual warfare.
Demons and spells do enter believers if they do not walk the Way(Turah) the same way that even being saved we carry the curse of Adam and perish, we MUST be humble and pray and fast and walk as Yahusha walked with MUCH FEAR AND TREMBLING.
This Xtianity preaches with a hippie JC will keep leading souls to the pit, it’s another daughter of the harlot Babylon and if people don’t come out of it they will drink from the cup of wrath of Yahuah Almighty.
Yes according to the Calvin doctrine…..
Our forgiveness does not save him. A sinner is sinner and needs to repent.
Amen!
Cant wait to hear Justin Peters take on the issue 😅😅
Evidently he ain’t been posting anything lately.
He won’t.. there on the same team. Justin will be passive about it but if it was someone from the charismatic side he’d have a video the next day.
@reformed37 That's not true at all. He feels very strongly about this issue and has already spoken out about it on X apparently. I guarantee he'll be preparing something very appropriate for his RUclips channel.
I am definitely looking forward to hearing his comments. He'll deal with it in a very Biblical way, despite the fact that he shares similar theology to Lawson.
He does not like to critique his co horts in his Calvin camp……
It takes outsiders to dig into the issue of the sin…
If anything it will be a very very softball ……
@polskigirl8547 Let's just wait and see......Justin is always very firm and Biblical when someone brings such disgrace to the name of Christ.....no matter who it is. I'm sure he'll be calling for nothing less than a complete confession and repentance from Steve Lawson himself and will totally agree that he can never again step into the pulpit ever again.
Sin isn’t complicated.
It complicates & destroys other people’s lives just by its very nature.
Pastor Steve Lawson is not saved.
We shouldn’t say that. God only knows
@@desertrose6516 Steve Lawson said that actually.
Both men, prideful and arrogant!!
That’s the bent on Calvinist/Reformed
$2,000 Mont Blanc pens and personal assistants.
This whole situation is sad, but the Lord will bring something good out of this horrible situation in due time. The enemy prowls around seeking whom to devour and if anything, this makes me look more to myself and see that I am not entertaining any “small” sins and thinking nothing like this could ever happen to me. This is why we must be the more devoted to prayer and reading God’s Word as the day draws closer.Human beings have failed us and will continue to fail us, but I humbly put my trust in the Lord who will never fail me. Prayers 🙏
When pastors fall into sexual sin, it can serve as a wake-up call for the Church to re-evaluate its understanding of leadership and reliance on individuals rather than Christ. In the New Testament, there is no central figure, like a modern pastor, dominating the gathering or holding all spiritual authority. Such failures can remind believers that their faith should not rest on human leaders, who are fallible, but on Christ alone. These moments often prompt deeper reflection on biblical leadership, humility, accountability, and the importance of every believer's active participation in the body of Christ. It exposes the danger of placing too much trust in a single person and encourages a return to the early Church model where Christ is the true head of the Church.
It doesn’t bring shame to the name of Christ. Christ is still awesome, men still are not.
@@JohnnyStuttle I couldn’t think of a better word at the time, but you are right
Most helpful to me was Conversations that Matter. I feel the same as that guy. Never really liked his deliver as it felt impersonal. You never knew him. Maybe he was just an intellectual Christian???
“Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.”
1Tim5:19
These verses seem relevant to this situation.
There you go, using Scripture again.
The audacity of this self-righteous hypocritic guy to think that a one night stand is better than a 5 year stand. Does he even know that a thought itself is as bad as adultery (Mt5:28)?
Who are you pertaining to? Is it Lawson or White?
@@T.Ravikumar the thought is of sleeping with a married woman. Greek translations matter. The church is so messed up cause of poor scholarship aka lack of knowledge is which it perishes as the good book says.
Man our reformed brothers are getting murdered online over this
I’m sure Lawson is justifying it by listening to Rick Springfield’s massive 1983- Affair of The Heart”. He probably used Springfield’s 80’s hit to justify this. Don’t scapegoat Rick Springfield on this Mr Lawson- own this sin. Stay on the straight and narrow, don’t use this catchy 80s hit to shipwreck your life.
When human emotions run high, then logic and reason run low. By way of reminder.
@@crocodile7801 more like out the window….😳
@@polskigirl8547 lol..
I suppose that's the "I" lost 4 Steve as grace looks like it can actually be "resisted" (even for 5 years)... More like an actor from TULP fiction in reality...
This is VERY revealing, and really doesn't surprise me, because I concluded two or three years ago that there was something not quite right about Steve Lawson, and I cancelled my OnePassion subscription: there was something too slick about him and lacking in genuine humility.
The question remains as to how much good was God actually producing through Lawson's mostly harmful teaching of God's Word. He laid a harmful, imo, hermeneutics, homiletics, and legalistic sanctification as foundational in many eager Bible students' thinking... which will still have negative influence into the future through their ministries, imo. 🙄
Perhaps God's delay in exposing his sinful practice was to help many question the truth of that foundation.
Out of topic.
Thank you Dr. James white. I devoured almost all the debates you had. Thank you. I was truly bless by those.
Thank you.
But, Steve Lawson is not a brick layer; He is a public figure, a widely known pastor who has had quite damning things to say about others who have fallen in this same way. It matters.
Who are you oh man to COMPLAIN about what God DECREED!
From God's perspective he has sinned greatly. God holds the scales. Not man. And he has spoken: Marriage should be honoured by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. But a man who commits adultery has no sense; whoever does so destroys himself. You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!" declares the LORD.Therefore this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says to the shepherds who tend my people: "Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the evil you have done."
The struggle between the Spirit and the flesh is ever present. He succumbed to his flesh and sinned, which is something we all do, and have done. Jesus was the only perfect person who ever lived and walked among us. Let's be true Christians, and pray for everyone involved. 🙏
5 years ago young people were facing COVID with the largest suicide rates. The comfort this young girl needed is the gospel and instead this preacher offered his body. This is gross. 🤢
Absolutely agree with this comment. A girl in her 20s and he is 73. He has taken advantage this is gross!
It is being said that there was no actual sex involved.
Really! As they say in Wales and I’m the cats mother!!’
Is lawson saved in the first place?
...Or did he lose his salvation ( if he was saved prior to his fall)?
"If he were a brick layer"
Or even, perhaps, a wise master builder?
This whole thing is such a shame :(
There is nothing innocent about the role of this woman in this situation. The father is trying to protect his daughter from her sin. She is not a victim. Both she and lawson have committed adultery and don’t insult my intelligence with regard to the fact contended that this was not sexual. I have been around the block 76 times.
Typical Calvinistic drivel.
He hasn't addressed the 🐘 in the room: Calvinistic Reformed Theology. What's his problem with his Calvinistic Reformed god's predestined decree for Lawson to commit immorality?
You’re a special kind of idiot.
The first problem with it is that you don’t understand it and are misperceiving it. Be ye not deceived brother! Bless you 🙏🏻
Exactly. No one is taking this as an opportunity to maybe rethink their toxic worm theology. Call people worms and wretches and they will behave like worms and wretches. Imagine that!
When pastors fall into sexual sin, it can serve as a wake-up call for the Church to re-evaluate its understanding of leadership and reliance on individuals rather than Christ. In the New Testament, there is no central figure, like a modern pastor, dominating the gathering or holding all spiritual authority. Such failures can remind believers that their faith should not rest on human leaders, who are fallible, but on Christ alone. These moments often prompt deeper reflection on biblical leadership, humility, accountability, and the importance of every believer's active participation in the body of Christ. It exposes the danger of placing too much trust in a single person and encourages a return to the early Church model where Christ is the true head of the Church.
@@formerfundienowfree4235How about a brood of vipers ?
A whole lot of talking but no substance. I do believe in the private nature of the church. How all this is being handled is wrong.
What's with all the recent Tattoos ?
These are not from your past life before you became a Christion are they ?
James White loooooves to hear himself talk.😂
Thank you- I found this helpful, from the perspective of someone in that theological circle.
You lost me when you said "you're conflicted."
😢rambled on about degrees of sin
It s all done by the spirt not by might nor by your power but by my spirt
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Calvinists jump on non-calvinists when they make mistakes coz they deem themselves morally superior to others.
How do you know that?
Exactly
Who told you that?
@@5Solas.2 because they think they are elect and special to God?
@@formerfundienowfree4235Lol are we not special to God?
the New Testament says a person has to have one wife doesn't say he can't have concubines
The way this guy is drowning on his facial hair and tattoos I would bet he hit a bong or two in his life…
"Sanctified" GOSSIP preachers!
So many words saying nothing.
Anyone calling themselves "Pastor" is exposing their own phoniness and hunger for authority, not a true calling to serve. Jesus Himself warned against chasing after titles like "Rabbi" or "Father," yet some ignore His clear instruction to reject such labels in favor of humble servanthood (Matthew 23:8-10). These so-called "pastors" use a title to elevate themselves above others, seeking recognition and control instead of leading by example in Christ-like humility. If their leadership depended on the fruits of the Spirit and genuine service to the body of Christ, they wouldn't need a title to prove it. They're parading a false sense of authority, and it's an insult to the true worship of God in spirit and truth.
Couldn't agree more!!
If there is no sexual contact, then would you have issued a statement saying "inappropriate relationship with a woman?"
wow. the comments here are really ungracious against you.
If not because of God we would also fall. Christ asked us to crucify our flesh everyday.
Uh no.
Hindi na siya pwede maging Tagapangasiwa ng simbahan pero may pagkakataon pa siya magsisi, pagkapastor lang ang nawala sa kanya hindi ang kaligtasan.
Take heed lest you fall.
God help us
Always.
Free Grace is the only true gospel.
If you’re very troubled by this you are looking at a man and not keeping your eyes on God.
Let me tell you as a testimony. Over 20 years ago, I looked at man and put a lot of faith in man and not God. Man failed me and it almost destroyed me.
I cannot remember the Psalms verse, but it warns of putting more faith in man than in God. I'm a believer in that every Christian needs to spend sometime alone, away from everyone, just him, his bible, and God.
Anyone calling themselves "Pastor" is exposing their own phoniness and hunger for authority, not a true calling to serve. Jesus Himself warned against chasing after titles like "Rabbi" or "Father," yet some ignore His clear instruction to reject such labels in favor of humble servanthood (Matthew 23:8-10). These so-called "pastors" use a title to elevate themselves above others, seeking recognition and control instead of leading by example in Christ-like humility. If their leadership depended on the fruits of the Spirit and genuine service to the body of Christ, they wouldn't need a title to prove it. They're parading a false sense of authority, and it's an insult to the true worship of God in spirit and truth.
White wouldn't know Jesus if He was standing in front of him.
Wow who made you the judge of the earth🤷♀️
I gently say this. YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
If she was from nowhere near any of his ministries… how did he meet her much less have a 5 year relationship with her?
Don't worry about it.
When a Man of God is caught in sin, the sheep and the goats separate themselves.
When pastors fall into sexual sin, it can serve as a wake-up call for the Church to re-evaluate its understanding of leadership and reliance on individuals rather than Christ. In the New Testament, there is no central figure, like a modern pastor, dominating the gathering or holding all spiritual authority. Such failures can remind believers that their faith should not rest on human leaders, who are fallible, but on Christ alone. These moments often prompt deeper reflection on biblical leadership, humility, accountability, and the importance of every believer's active participation in the body of Christ. It exposes the danger of placing too much trust in a single person and encourages a return to the early Church model where Christ is the true head of the Church.
How many more videos will pop up on the story? Everyone has obligation to have a say?
@adylikowski
Especially Arminians are having their hayday. Look at the hateful and mocking comments... And they call themselves Christians... 😢
Of course.
Y’all wanna bet she’s pregnant… how do you think the dad found out after five years.
😮😮😮
Mr. Chicken Snatcher you ARE the father!
Well, that’s a possibility. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
That's a big possibility. Smh
That would put things on another level!
5 years ago young people were facing COVID with the largest suicide rates. The comfort this young girl needed is the gospel and instead this preacher offered his body. This is gross. 🤢
Covid was 2020. That's 4 years ago.
It started in China in the Fall of 2019. We are in the Fall of 2024. The math is 5 entire years.
It makes no difference whether it was a one time thing with someone his own age or something with someone much younger over a 5 year period.
This is what happens to people who believe the lie that salvation is by faith alone.
He proved he believes people should do as he says and not what he does.
The Christ would have lumped Lawson in with the Pharisees and Sadducees that he condemned.
He is no better than King Herod and the sexual sin that John the Baptist conedemned him of.
You got it wrong
Well said. Some of the things you mentioned are some of the very things I have said to friends of mine when asked where I stand. Bottom line is we all need to pray for Steve they 1 he genuinely repents and he is restored to the body of Christ and 2nd for his wife and family as well as the woman and her family. 3rd and finally pray and examine yourself. No one and I mean no one is above this type of sin and behavior. This is a wake up call to the church. In whom do you trust?!
1. Dr. Steve Lawson from the Ligonier Ministries' 2009 National Conference, The Holiness of God containing his address, "The Legacy of John Calvin" given on the occasion of the 500th anniversary of John Calvin's birth:
"Rightly has one contemporary author identified John Calvin as the man of the millennium, meaning he is the single greatest influence upon modern history over the last thousand years. I would agree with that, in fact, I would push it out further and say that Calvin is the man of the last two millennia, that you would have to go all the way back to the days of the biblical writers, to Paul and to John, in order to see one who towered above history and has left such a dominant influence. It is almost impossible to overstate the importance and the legacy of John Calvin. William Cunningham, the Scottish divine, said 'Calvin was by far the greatest of the Reformers. Calvin is the man who, next to St. Paul, has done most to mankind.' And no less than Charles Haddon Spurgeon, the prince of preachers, said 'Among all those who have been born of women,' and that pretty much covers the field, 'among all those who have born of women, there has not been risen a greater than John Calvin. No age before him ever produced his equal and no age afterwards has seen his rival.' As a result, S.M. Houghton has written 'It has been said that to omit John Calvin from the history of Western civilization is to read history with one eye closed.' These are among the estimates of Calvin's life and ministry and his place in history, and so the question before us now is 'What is his legacy? Calvin stood at the headwaters of the Reformation and we now stand downstream, and what has flowed downstream to us from the pulpit, the study and the pen of John Calvin?'"
0:58 - 3:21 of Steve Lawson: The Legacy of John Calvin
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2. John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book III, Chapter 23, No. 7:
"I AGAIN ASK HOW IT IS THAT THE FALL OF ADAM INVOLVES SO MANY NATIONS WITH THEIR INFANT CHILDREN IN ETERNAL DEATH WITHOUT REMEDY UNLESS THAT IT SO SEEMED MEET TO GOD? Here the most loquacious tongues must be dumb. THE DECREE, I ADMIT, IS, DREADFUL; AND YET IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DENY THAT GOD FOREKNOW WHAT THE END OF MAN WAS TO BE BEFORE HE MADE HIM, BECAUSE HE HAD SO ARRANGED BY HIS DECREE. Should any one here inveigh against the prescience of God, he does it rashly and unadvisedly. For why, pray, should it be made a charge against the heavenly Judge, that he was not ignorant of what was to happen? Thus, if there is any just or plausible complaint, it must be directed against predestination. Nor ought it to seem absurd when I SAY, THAT GOD NOT ONLY FORESAW THE FALL OF THE FIRST MAN, AND IN HIM THE RUIN OF HIS POSTERITY, BUT ALSO AT HIS OWN PLEASURE ARRANGED IT."
[Beveridge translation, p. 586; NTS Library website /PDF Books/Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, pdf 594 of 944]
You are greatly conflicted about most things of God, so, what is new? How is this complex, he is a fool according to his own words, he only came forward because he was going to be found out or better said was found out. The five years he was lying to everyone is maybe not the only time this has happened, that maybe the reason the student was assigned to him, and the reason he was having this long distance relationship. Is there a point to this video, other than he got caught, I wonder if Justin Peters will do a video on him. Does he, Lawson believe this five year affair is a hiccup? By balanced, do you mean a weekend with his wife, and one weekend with his girlfriend.
A $10,000 bet to the first person who can name and cite a scripture in the New Testament where someone is explicitly given the title of Pastor. The challenge is to provide a clear, direct reference to a person being called "Pastor" as a formal title. Good luck!
Steve Lawson needs to go to Rick Joyner. Rick will fix everything. 🤪
My ? If he is in her 20s, doesn't that mean she was underage since it's been reported 5 yr relationship
I have the right with his all his books that I have a lot of them. I’m keeping them. I’m not reading them for a while. I’m not looking at them matter fact before this all happened I was gonna re-read his book on George Wick, but I’ll probably come back to him someday yeah that whole trust then always looked at myself, and somebody had has some kind of view of the sermon that could figure it kind of stuff out And there’s been others that have had stuff like that. I never care that much for them in our human realm. We’re going by the words that come out of somebody’s mouth. I was fine with everything until I found out. It was like 25 or 20 years old at her age israge now that means he started this with her when she was 2023, which is really bad that signing off we’re dealing with the hurricane both spiritually and physically out here. Thanks for addressing it and giving his name from. I actually heard his name history.
I think the girl was at most 25 when they started dating. Because she is in late 20s now.
25 now and 20 when started.
@@tonyjemz777yes that’s correct
@@tonyjemz777 Phil Johnson reported her being in l,ate 20s right?
I read 29 now.
If consistent we should call out Calvary chapel handling of Hocking which allowed their church to double by sheep stealing after ignoring restoration effort
I agree with you here. Keeping silent at this point is just creating more speculation and gossip.
Disgraced Glory of CHRIST and Body of CHRIST.
A 73-year-old reformed Pastor is caught in an inappropriate relationship with a girl 50 years younger than him. His congregation, known for nodding through every sermon, is shocked but silent.
One of them finally pipes up, "Well, if the pastor did it, who are we to judge? He always says we’re totally depraved anyway!"
Another one adds, "Yeah, guess he's just giving us a real-life example of the doctrine!"
They all nod in agreement, not realizing the irony of their blind loyalty.
Yeah except his congregation isn’t doing this.
There is no reason for continued discussion of this incident. We need to examine ourselves instead.
This raises a question I've wondered about for years. King David continued his responsibilities after he murdered Uriah. There's no evidence he spent time in jail, or paid off anyone, or stepped down from anything (as far as I know). So, how did that work?
Old Covenant
Innocent people? I thought we’re all born guilty. Calvinism is so dumb. Having said that, I hope Steve fully recovers from this.
It's his fault! He did this willingly. What about his poor wife, children, and grandchildren?
They are the ones who need prayers.
Comments like this so the kind of theological and even immediate contextual ignorance and immaturity that's almost unexplainable.
If you don't understand the context meaning of the term "innocent" in white's talk here, to mean that there are persons who have not betrayed Lawson in ways he has, you need to go back to elementary school English language class.
If you can't see that there's a difference between the broader theological definitions of innocence and guilt as far as original sin is concerned (which is not local to Calvinism alone) as opposed to the specific innocence or guilt of a particular act which someone may be guilty or innocent of, why are you even involved in this discussion?
Why do you think we are born guilty?
Any scripture supporting this thought?
Isn't this just folklore and theology?
@@bernhardbauer5301 he's being sarcastic. Trying to jab at Calvinism. But this doctrine isn't only part of calvinist theology. Every orthodox Christian believes that we are all born guilty.
The palmist wrote "Indeed, I was guilty when I was born; I was sinful when my mother conceived me." Psalm 51:5
The biblical position is in Adam, as part of his human descendants, because he sinned, the corruption he brought on himself, he brought in all that would be born from his seed. So all have sinned because we inherited the sin nature. We are guilty because we have come from sinful parents.
Romans 5 and 6 outlines this.
@@indigos290
I believe I am a sinner because I have sinned, not because Adam has sinned in accordance with.
Romans 3:23:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
Psalms 51:5 reads in my bible:
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
I have not sinned at this age.
Romans 5 and 6 deal with my condition in my humble opinion.
God will not judge me because my father has sinned.
I know that John Calvin was a murderer.
Martin Luther Was not better. Read his late writings.
So I guess he wasn’t elected. So what was he.