So let's see if I have this right: You spend £63,000 on a car when you aren't sure what you want, you don't have a grasp of how you use your car, you buy a car without any real grasp of its specifications, you don't check the way to maintain it, you are almost completely in the dark about how to use it, and you can't be bothered spending a few hundred pounds to provide the only sensible way of fuelling it? What could go wrong...? Oh, by the way, the next time you fancy blowing 60 grand for little or no purpose, give me a bell and I'll take it off your hands for a lot less trouble
Yeah, all he had to do is installing a charger at home for 300 bucks or something and would change the experience completely.. Also I do not see the need for 150+ miles everyday, but I do not know what they used the E-tron for.
Too much money and comfort… ready the complain and bitching how unfair the world is!!! I know this pattern … Northern European rich person pattern … trust me on that
Have had my I-pace for about 20 months now and tbh I have had very little to complain about. I use it as a company car so I am not at risk of the depreciation as new technology comes in and the BIK tax benefit is brilliant. I get 225 miles out of it real world and I drive pretty quickly and if I use the cruise control on motorways it still manages that range at fast lane motorway speeds. I had an Ohme charger installed prior to the car arriving and can get a full charge pretty much overnight bearing in mind it rarely will go below 50 miles before I charge at home. On the rare very long journey I make sure I know where the superchargers are which mean I can fully charge in around 50 minutes. Round trip journeys of more than 210 miles would be less than 1 pct of my journeys
You can charge your full battery in 10 hours or less overnight on a 7kw charger at home. I have the ETron 55 and I can reliably get 190-220 miles of range depending on the outside temperature. Make sure you have a second car that’s a fuel burner if you’re worried about range. For us, the electric car works a treat.
@Stanley Knife Like I said, fine if all you are doing is city driving near your home charger, but I wouldnt want to be somewhere unusual where I'm getting lost (yes, i know there's sat nav, but you can still take wrong exits off roundabouts etc) and get stuck in traffic. Im cool with EV, just think its a bit of a risk leaving a mere 20 miles on the range, thats all.
@Stanley Knife Not that unusual. Plenty people drove a lot of miles. Remember the average is 20miles A DAY, but you might not drive during the week much but do most of your driving at the weekend further afield.
If you buy an EV you *MUST* install a home charger with a minimum speed of 7kWh. This will allow you to have a full battery every morning :). Using a 3-pin plug is only for absolute emergencies! Also, make sure you get a cheap overnight rate from the electricity provider. Paying 30-40p/kWh is not necessary. Overnight rates are now around 7.5p/kWh (approx 3-4p/mile). So install a proper home charger and keep the nice car!
I don't have an Audi, I have two Tesla, a P85D from 2014, and a new Plaid from just two months ago . My Tesla cars so far are able to give me almost the original ranges, even though the P85D is an older one. Range anxiety is not a problem for me, I have plenty of Tesla Superchargers where I live, and they are 100% available, never broken. You can not say that of other brands. But the Regen braking is pretty good, and I always drive 2-3 miles below the speed limit. Next, i don't only see that advantages of my EVs in terms of cents/mile. I also see that in terms also how much I am saving in oil changes, coolant, brake services, the time spent in those procedures, and the sort. Those other expenses have been ZERO for me. I used to have a Toyota Sienna XLE Minivan, a Chrysler T & C, and a Camry. All those cars are gone, but while I had them, I had lots of maintenance expenses and time doing so, and filing the gas tank. Now, I am totally taken out from al those things and waaaay better off with my EVs. And add to that the OTA updates. I so far would not recommend anything else from other brands, regardless how good they look. If they do not have the same offerings as Tesla, they are not worth it, and that applies to BMW, AUDI, Mercedes, or any other brand. And the re-sale value is high, like my 2014 model. I was offered 42000.00 thousand dollars for it, and I paid 71000.00 for it in 2014. My next "Limo" will be the CT, hopefully they will get to the market soon!!! But I will never go back to any ICE car, ever!!!!
This is where Tesla have a huge pull over other cars. I bet the E-tron is an amazing car and there are or will be others that are better than Tesla in some ways but the network is amazing. I did a day trip from east of London to wales. I didn’t stop to charge a moment longer than a coffee, lunch, dinner. In fact, I had to rush dinner to avoid overstay fees! The good thing is Tesla are opening the network up to non-Tesla (trialling at the moment)
wow, it's a very different math for EV use in the UK than Canada, wow. Also different for the Audi. I run a Model 3 Tesla charging for $20-30 Cdn a month, all hydroelectric power (12 cents per kwhr) for about 1,000 km, charging any time I like, while my mercedes requires about $250 of gas to do the same. Also the Tesla reads 420km at full charge, and will go a full 420km if I use non-highway roads. Further the Model 3 is the same weight as a BMW 330, at 3600lbs. I guess Audi didn't put the right variables together as well as Hyundai and Tesla did.
With a 3 pin plug charger you will be getting only around 2.4kW. Your complaint is that you didn’t shell out for a proper charger (either 7.4 or 11kW if you have 3 phase). You would charge three time faster if you went for just the basic one. I don’t get it…just go buy the charger and get at least 50% charge overnight. If you cn get an Economy 7 rate (which I have) then you will get 70% overnight.
I've got a tesla but i would not have it if i did not have a 7.5 kw home charger - just plug it in each night and wake up each morning to a full 280 mile charge - i only ever use public chargers if doing a long road trip - without the home charger you are dead right they do not make sense
You charged using a 7kw wall box in the off peak times . You won’t have an issue. It would easily charged nearly to full with that setup. You wouldn’t have any issue and it would be at the cheaper rate, I’ve never had an issue
If you buy an electric car you should be more informed about how to use it. Losing range is not the cars fault, you are charging the batteries too often for short bursts, this does not give the BMS ( battery management system) the change to equalise the batteries and you will lose range unnecessary. Also, a home charging unit will be all you need, even on long journeys now you can charge everywhere, the charge points are now so well distributed that there is no need to be concerned. Of course if you buy a Tesla the network of superchargers means 150 kW charging, 18-23 minutes to fully charged!
I work in the power generation industry and we are miles away from an infrastructure in domestics settings , I have a 3 phase charger you can have if you have 3 phases at home ? I’m sticking to my B9.5 RS4 gas guzzler until the time is right for electric vehicles. Great insight and real world review on the state of the UK’s power network , it is deliberate by our government to gain the loss in fossil fuel tax revenue hence the galloping energy costs to domestics users , fiddled by our peers to maintain income from the common man.
We are now paying the price for successive governments making poor decisions over the past several decades, probably started by Mrs thatch flogging off the utilities. And since they went private investment went down in the pursuit of profit, coupled with failing to build more nuclear power stations, which means we are now reliant on imported fuel from countries that don't really like the UK.
I bought a Hyundai Kona Electric just over a month ago. When I got it said it had a range of 279 miles, which is the quoted range of the car. Since then it has increased almost every time I have charged the car. Yesterday, when I got in it, the range said 357 miles. I have the very big advantage that almost all of my miles are round town, where EV's are at there most economical, but it is also down to how it's driven. In the current temperatures, I average around 6miles/kwh, but I have tested to see how low I can get that by accelerating hard and only using the brakes to slow down and I could get that down to 4.5miles/kwh, which, to be fair, is still fairly good, because it was still around town in warm weather, but it's also a lot less than 6miles/kwh. I generally do 60-100 miles per day and charge at 2.2kwh/hour overnight, which takes 6-10 hours, so about 10 miles per hour. For my usage an EV is perfect, but obviously they are not suitable for everyone's situation and obviously not all EV's are the same, so one may suitable and another not, the same as with any car. The charging infrastructure is pathetic at the moment. It's fine for people like me, who can easily charge from home, which is most EV owners. It's also not too bad for people who mainly do motorway miles or journeys along major routes, because that's where most of the rapid chargers are situated. Obviously for people who would need to rapid charge, but have no need to go anywhere near where the rapid chargers are, it's not going to work, but I would think that would be a fairly small group of people. They are obviously not ideal for people who are regularly doing very long journeys, which don't allow for charge times, but again, I would think that is a fairly small group. I would also say that EV's are fairly pointless for people who do very low mileage, because they will never offset the increased purchase price with the fuel savings, but if they just want an EV for environmental or other reasons, then it would be fine for that scenario.
Should have bought a Tesla... seriously, there's something wrong with your battery if the range keeps going down. Don't just accept it - get it checked by an expert and warrantied. The other thing this video pointed out is just how important efficiency is in an EV. Efficiency = Cheaper, more convenient, faster charging and just better.
I have had an EV for 3 years. I charge at home. I have used public chargers a couple of times, without issue. I'm waiting for my next EV to be delivered. 300 + mile range. Charge at home or while out and about. Absolutely no issue. The best cars I've ever had. I have not once thought about going back to ICE.
@@ln5747 Why LOL? In practical terms, it is very rare to do more than 100 miles in a day. If you charge at home you always leave with a 100% charge and hence 300 miles is huge overkill. I have had two EVs - one with a 120-mile range and one with a 250-mile range. The 120-mile range is the one I normally take (BMW i3) because I like the way it drives.
I'm reporting you to RUclips for hacking the EVIL GT account. Everyone knows they don't do serious content 😡 On a serious note enjoyed the feedback from an owner. Serious amount of work needed by the government and others to get infrastructure in place. If I go to the office its a 100mile commute, few hundred people work there so no chance of an eV charger per person.
I never was able to fill up with petrol at my house. I was also never able to leave the petrol pump and go grab a coffee, have a comfort break and then go back to a car without having to handle or smell carcinogenic material that I have spent 100£ on, 60£ of which is dead money given a petrol engine is around 40% efficient. That’s like buying 100£ of food and then chucking 60£ in the bin.
It takes about 30 SECONDs of your time to charge on a Private charger. The problem is having access to Level 2 charger privately like on your own drive way. Sure it's going to be annoying if you can not do that. But for those who can get that access. Charging a BEV with adequate range like 250 miles or more is WAY Faster and less time wasting than Pumping & Paying for Petrol & Diesel. The massive difference is you just plug in then WALK AWAY do something else.
@@benjaminwinrow9620 Doesn't help that 50% is fuel duty and taxes to start with. Wait until you read up on how much hidden taxes are in the energy bill. And you think the road tax and BIK advantages for EV's will stay?
I’ve got the vorsprung 50 in black and it looks great but I get 150miles full charge and if I put the heating on it drops to 120☹️ Plus nobody tells you the heaters don’t work when you are charging. Audi should supply big coats with every etron
@@Islam_is_the_truth.4 It's a shame it doesn't exist with a liftback for a more accessible trunk (like the BMW I4). The model Y doesn't suit me as it has less range and looks even worse
I hired an EV van for a month for my business. I gave the thing back after 2 weeks. It was costing me customers and income. The van I hired had a 200 mile range. I cover around 150miles per day. Problem. When I'd loaded the van with kit for a days work, that weight killed the range. I was getting 50 miles per charge! I'd hate to think how dismal the range would be if I'd fitted the inverter for in the field mains power. I cannot charge at home so I would be dependent on public charging even if I bought one. My day with the EV. Take the missus to work. Charge the van Go to the first appointment. Drive to the charger, wait 3 or 4 deep in a charge queue, call the next customer and cancel because of the charging issue. Eventually charge and be ready for the next day. I could be charging 3 times per day. That's 4 hours wasted per day. The nearest charge point is 6 miles away, there's 2 points. The next nearest is 15 miles across the city. So I'm not only wasting time charging there is also the time to drive to the charge station. I cannot pay with cash like I do diesel. I'll stay with my 20 year old diesel van. It does 600+ miles per fill up, whilst it's loaded for work. It costs me 20p per mile in diesel.
I’ve got a 7kw wall box at home and charging in off peak hours have never been an issue and generally wake up to a full charge . How often will you run it down so low . Even if you don’t get a full charge 1 night, you definitely will the next . Plus it’s always advisable to charge to 80% than 100% if not on longer journeys. So the charging infrastructure is there. I think you should get your wall box installed and think again afterward . You will be surprised I live down in Devon , so not the best public charger available.
I researched EV’s for a very long time before ordering a Tesla and home charger (PodPoint) and cheap overnight tariff provider (Octopus 7.5p) Yes I know Teslas don’t suit everyone but 300 mile range, it drops a bit in winter, and supercharger network makes EV ownership easier. I’m really shocked at the range of the Audi.
Brilliant review .love it... I drive a 1.9tdi touran and an audi S4B6 V8 avant .. Great insight into the ETRON . Shocking how lacking the charge points availability in places . Il definitely not be going to electric power anytime soon . 👍
Funny thing is I agree with 90% of what you say in the video but still getting an EV as for me it makes sense. I’m getting the Q4 E-Tron which has more range and for charging I’ll have a home charger and free charging at the office once a week. This will cover 95% of our journeys so will only need public charging maybe once a month, if that. Do agree if you have higher mileage needs and no fast home charging , the lack of infrastructure is a big issue and it will take years to get to the stage where EV’s are a no-brainier.
@@munya44 as a Tesla owner since 2013 and someone who closely follow EV market, I have not seen an EV that can even come close to a Tesla and I don’t expect anyone to be able to catch up to them as they are innovating was faster than anyone else. With that been said, any EVs is still better than any ICE.
you can turn off the lane assist by pushing the button on then end of the turn signal. You can change regen to manual, then its always on. As for charging, get a charger at home and you'll have a full charge in the morning.
You're right about the charging infrastructure being weak. Although it seems better over in Europe than here in America. Nevertheless, if you put a charger in your house you solve 95% of that problem, at least
I have a Renault Zoe and I can charge it at home at 7kwh. I am with Octopus energy and am charged 5 pence a Kwh between 12:30 and 04:30, so that means I can fill the car battery to 28Kwh for £1.40. The car will do something like 220 miles in Summer and 160 miles in Winter to a fullly charged battery which is 54Kwh. The range will depend on how you drive. I drive at a maximum of 60 mph and I drive in eco mode. The air conditioning reduced the range from 220 miles to 180 miles. My version does not have the super fast charge, which is 50kwh but can be charged at a maximum of 20kwh (I believe). The problem with range is probably overstated by most people unless you are doing over 100 miles a day which is 36,500 miles per year, which is unusual. The only charging points I have tried to use, other than my home, is supermarkets, which deliver 7kwh and charge nothing. I also have solar panels and charge the car from those. I do about 4,000 miles a yeart and so far the car has cost me about £25 this year in electricity which I have had to pay for. I am 71 years old and retired. I think my car is fantastic and I love the ease of driving, cruise control, lane assist, one pedal driving, regenerative breaking, fast acceleration from standing still. I think the above reviewer either needs to do a lot of miles a day or is being unreasonable about charging. I do not know why he can only charge his car at 3.5 Kwh, perhaps he has not installed a dedicated home car charger which would deliver 7Kwh. I also think there are more "sensible" electric cars than the model he is reviewing.
As a caravanner,diesel is still king and looks like that will be the case for some time.Petrol hybrids do not cut it and only block charging points for for the 100 % evs.
Hello. Beutiful car you have. Sad to hear about the bad charging infrastructure. I get 170 - 205 km (105 - 127 miles) at 80% in winter, and 215 - 220 km (133 - 136 miles) on my E-tron 50 in Norway. So a 100% of 171 miles is max I get, except on long journeys I get about 300 km (186 miles) after 100% charging. Love the car and I don't have problems with charging here in Norway. My nearest charger is about a mile away, which I use twice a week, and I have never (until now) had problems on longer trips in Norway (due to pandemic, I have not travelled internationally yet with it).
I find it strange car manufacturers are putting out all these electric cars without the infrastructure of fast chargers established on most corners of a city .
I have a Peugeot e-208 I’ve found I can get the published range as long as I keep my foot off the accelerator. The car is great and when you need the power it’s there, the problem as I see it is not just the chargers but also the Infraestructure behind the chargers. I regularly charge at 350KW chargers , however my car can only take 100KW maximum, so far I’ve only ever seen 98KW and most of the time a lot less. The UK is no where near ready for the population to switch to electric and it’s going to be very painful as more people get them, because wait times will go ip considerably.
Braking should be just on the foot peddle, and the car should sort it. light regen getting more severe as the peddle is pressed more, and then friction coming in. 2 level digital braking is rubbish. 12 year old 535D still does 600 miles per tank....admittedly costing a million quid to fill up.
The braking you describe is how tesla does it. No steering wheel paddles, no gimmicks, just full-time regenerative braking 9exccept when restricted by a cold battery). But the German manufacturers particularly seem to prefer other approaches.
I have to agree. Anyone who actually _needs_ Lane-Keep Assist, really shouldn't be driving. A very mild acquaintance of mine recently sold his full-on electric car in the UK, and bought a gas car to replace it. Had the electric for less than a year. He told me the issues are, there aren't enough electric charging stations in his neck of the woods. And, sometimes the car's "brain" for lack of a better term; refuses to charge even when properly plugged in. Doesn't happen often. But shouldn't happen at all. Even when charging, the charge times are just too long compared to gasoline powered vehicles. Pull into a petrol station, and you can pump and be done in easily less than 5 minutes. People want convenience. They'll happily pay large sums of money for *ANYTHING* that makes their lives more convenient. Electric cars just aren't convenient.
This is why research is so important. Had you bought a bottom of the range Tesla with its minimum realistic range of 210 winter or 240 summer, not only would you have saved yourself over £20k on purchase price but the supercharger network means no having to think of range on really long journeys. Min 250kw chargers too, new ones are 350kw.
I went from Tesla Model S (luda) to Audi. Less range and much slower, but the quality, choices, electronics, premium feel and sound isolation is a different world. "Research" will tell you that Tesla is on the bottom of the list of all brands regarding build quality. 1200 court cases against Tesla and increasing. They have a long way to go. The perfect car is not made yet. Maby I will try the Nio ET7 next. So much cool EVs comming now. 😊
You buy a Tesla for the charging network not the build quality! It’s not yet German but it is decade ahead on practical fast charging network… even buy a used Tesla is better then buying the Audi et al
I sold my bmw m3 a few years ago and decided to try something completely different, I started buying skodas, I bought a 2018 skoda superb 2.0 190 sel executive estate, a great car and fantastic on fuel, a full tank would see over 1000 miles if driven sensibly, I also purchased a 2018 skoda citigo 75 ps model for town driving, but this car has proved to be quite the car ,yes its slow but can travel at motorway speeds no problem, but on a run this little car constantly returns 60 mpg . Last week I drove the the NEC from London and back in a day it used 20 litres of fuel and yesterday I drove to Dorset and back to London on the other half of the tank ,admittedly the fuel light was on when I got home .I had brimmed the tank but I had travelled just over 500 miles on 60 quid .I had just taken delivery of a brand new volkswagan t6.1 transporter 204 dsg Lwb swamper camper for the weekends and holidays. So every penny i save on my week day commute I can put towards my new toy for the weekends..I can see the advantages of going all electric but not just yet .
I got myself a leaf. Absolute bargain given the fuel savings it brings on my short journeys. I do 1200 miles a month and had no problems given the journeys I do. Admittedly we have a petrol car which sits on the drive and doesn't get used, but it will do when we drive to France in the summer. Overall I'm an advocate for EV's, so long as you're not a 300 mile plus motorway driver.
Interesting video. As a retired person and not in a position to offset against tax any expenses re car ownership your comments about charging points is one of the major reasons why I’m reluctant to go all electric. I’m in the market for a new car and have over the years run diesel and petrol cars several of which did over 100k before changing for a new vehicle, all without the benefit of tax breaks and mostly small to medium sized hatchbacks. My issue with electric cars is I also need to update the electrics in the house where we live to install a 7kw charge point and make full use of the 4kw of solar panels which we’ve had for over 10 years on our roof. We regularly visit rural Wales and prior to Covid Yorkshire and Derbyshire. These areas seem to be missing out on charging stations. The added weight of electric cars must make them less efficient as they are carrying extra weight in the batteries over diesel or petrol cars. Having at one time run only diesel cars and then being caught out by the eco lobby I also wonder if the same will happen with electric cars when hydrogen becomes more viable. The heavy construction industry is already looking to hydrogen fuel rather then electricity. Hydrogen requires a lot of electricity to produce but once produced has similar practical user qualities to petrol or diesel. Still sceptical about electric vehicles.
interesting review. I drive various EVs including the etron every day for my job and I don't have a problem finding a fast charger on my travels. surely a home charger would solve all your concerns? looks like you have a new build house, so 7kwh and maybe even higher with the correct electric power means you should be able to fully charge the car overnight each day. being reliant on the 3 pin socket would drive me mad!
I would also suggest swapping the Audi for a car that has better range and efficiency, that's not great! then the longer trips wouldn't be a problem. A model 3 long range would allow access to the super chargers, total game changer!
Public chargers in Lanarkshire are all FREE, and that includes rapids. Tesco is free, my solar is free and I can charge at home for 4 hours overnight for £1.40. If you have a charge point at home its simple to charge overnight. Loads of chargers here in Scotland with more and more been added all the time and I reckon I have somewhere in the region of 150 charge points within a 10 miles radius, perhaps even more. I am retired so no tax rebate for me but still no way I’d go back to an ICE. Both cars on our driveway are electric. We’ve had our i3 just short of 3 years and reckon in that time I’ve spent less than £40 in total charging it, that’s just the occasional home charge as I have no difficulty in charging it here on the public network.
It seems to me that you should get yourself a solar array. It may cost you some money, but, with the price of electricity these days, the payback times have dropped like a stone. Make sure you specify the 3 phase storage option and you can whack up your recharge times to some more serious numbers. I'd also point out that you would do much better with something like an Ioniq 5, because the range is quite a lot better, so you don't need to charge the battery to the full 100%. Top it up to 80% if you're intending to do more than 200 miles in a day, the rest of the time you should just keep it at a maximum of about 50-60%. It does look like there are going to be some significant improvements to battery tech coming soon, so don't give up on them just yet.
@@riboid So, do you have problems with recharging speeds? 3 phase will increase the charge rate over single phase. I don't understand what your problem is with my comment.
You're spot on about poor range and shocking lack of charging infrastructure in the UK. If you need to go far and use it on the motorway the range is even lower. These issues explain 1000s of EVs up for sale in the UK at knockdown prices. £30k gets you a used e-tron with about 15k on the clock. About £28k for a Skoda Enyaq with less than 10k miles. These are all £40k+ cars when new. Depreciation shows what the public thinks of EV revolution, especially when decent nearly new petrols and diesels retail for more that RRP when new.
I love how our Tesla Y silently goes along. but there are so many things I dont like about it, that I am ready to move on to something else with both ICE and plug in electric. That way, when I get to the remote areas that I love to travel to, I can mindlessly explore that remote area and all of it's roads and places of interest. Right now, we have to constantly remind ourselves how much energy we are using when we travel.
@@DEVILTAZ35 I am all set to get a Mercedes Benz C300e Plug-in hybrid with its 100km range on electric alone. For day-to-day short trips, one full charge per week in the garage wall charger will be sufficient. The ICE will alleviate EV owners’ range anxiety.
Been running Kia EV6 since March, 280 March /April now over 300 tested at 328 and can achieve that with AC on it drops only 5/7 miles and it is accurate for the range left within 3 miles charge at work 11Kw and when out and about tend to use Ionity or instavolt (they work)
Nice Video, very insightful! One comment is that don't forget that battery outputs vary massively due to temperature, meaning in summer it will probably be more like 215 miles, just something to bare in mind. Saying that, temperature doesn't effect a 300hp ICE car range that drastically, so we still have a fair bit to go!
I find it suspicious that when you pick up the car brand new from the dealer, it shows exactly the specificated max mileage. Is there a field for config In the cluster config tool? 😂 VCDS anyone?
Hi Lee great video on the E-Tron which is the same color E-Tron I have. I understand you were disappointed the battery wasn't fully charging after 4months. Here's the issue Audi recommends only charging the battery to 80% not 100% which you were doing. The charge will hold and last longer because of the battery type used should not be charge all the time to 100%. The MyAudi app explains the recommended 80% charge. Only charge the battery to 100% when you plan to go on longer trips. I have followed the 80% charge rule and now I am very please with the battery performance and enjoying the E-Tron even more.
100% right.. That’s the only thing stopping me swapping to full electric, the infrastructure.. just not enough fast chargers… Great looking car though, and definitely one I’d go for
Not only that, good luck at this very moment find a working one or one that's not constantly hogged, also if you use the less powerful one and you stay for over 90 minutes bp pulse fines you £10 per hour!!
It's not just a lack of superchargers though it's a lack of supporting cabling and substations too. Those two things are projects with timescales akin to HS2 and with probably more cost involved. 2050 might be a realistic target but 2030 is not and the can will very quickly get kicked down the road on that.
It's not just having to plan a roadtrip around charging stations, but what do you do if you're just about out of juice and the only nearby charging station has 3 terminals, 2 that are inoperative and the 3rd has the line cut from thieves looking to sell the copper? Then there is the not so small matter of using public fast chargers costing about the same as filling the tank of a full size truck/SUV...which comes as a shock to people who avoid such vehicles for that very reason.
I think this is the main reason teslas are doing so well went from north manchester, to south London and back and charged it once for 50 minutes (20 pounds ish on the suoercharger) , which was with a full car and 5/9 degrees and raining. Unless you travel for work I can't see too much of a problem.
I am charging my car on a 3 KW standard power socket since 10 years. This adds approx. 150 km of Range over night. Never got an issue. Even the car is empty in the evening we got enough range next day. Of course sometimes I need to charge for more money, but that is marginal. Also a PV is a great addition to an EV or as it was in my case the EV is a greate addition to my PV.
Live in New Zealand... thought about a Full EV and decided against it for the same point you mentioned... not enough infostructure (the Uk would be FAR MORE advanced from that point than NZ) i opted for a hybrid (have 2wd Sorrento)my last car was a SQ5 diesel (which i loved)but my kids getting older(and bigger)it suits our needs and i only refuel once every 6 weeks (short commute to work) very fuel efficent for a 2ton plus car.. good regenerative braking on the battery (and actually more comfortable than the SQ5 on long journeys). Opted away from the plug in version as the cost (to buy)was another (30k extra NZ) and the the extra cost of having a charger installed at the house $2000plus . When NZ have improved their charging Network i will probable go for a Full EV
If you make mostly short journeys a plug in hybrid would have worked well for you. You could have probably charged it enough overnight on an ordinary socket if you didn't install a proper charger. Then you wouldn't need to buy fuel at all until you made a long journey.
How different would your experience be if you had 7kWh home charging and able to wake up every morning with a full battery? How many miles do you do every day? EVs are not for everyone but a majority of people can make it work. Have access to a second car for long trips as the charging network and charge rate of cars improve helps live with a day to day EV if you don't have lengthy daily journeys.
Honest and informative video! I don't understand why didn't you install a wallbox? then you could charge your Etron easily overnight (77kWh / 11kW = 7 hours). Basic rule no.1 of an electric car to work: you must be able to charge at home, using a wallbox.
Yeah I get that but as we moved house we haven’t had the box installed yet. But even if we did have one installed you are still limited to the mileage. It still takes an hour to get 20 miles back into the range.
Regardless how you drive all batteries deteriorate over time, a lot faster than gas cars because all of the car runs on battery, the lights, radio, ac, dashboard, mobile charger, so technically you don't ideally get the full range promised, no matter how you drive it, it won't change the fact that it mainly relys on the battery.
@@EVILGT aww really, I guess it’s not possible then. You wouldn’t want to drive that way anyway it’s boring as fuck. I have to drive like that for work haha
Thanks for your frankness. The Etron is not a great EV if range is an issue. Its a nicely appointed vehicle, but despite a big battery its efficiency is poor - any idea of the miles per Kwhr? - good would be 3+ miles and thats in summer temps. Cold slows the chemical reactions in the battery, so efficiency/range drops. Second, you need a basic single phase domestic charger so you can fully charge overnight and get an electricity tariff which will save you money in the hours of darkness. Yes, the national charging infrastructure is pants, Slow, expensive if fast, massive areas of the UK with zilch chargers. Thats called government neglect. No planning. If Norway can have a good national network, why cant we? If I may suggest, try a hybrid as your replacement. Best of both worlds, with diesel/petrol dominant for long trips.
I recently had both a 55 Quattro E-Tron and a Q4 40 E-Tron as company cars - your review is bang on, the compromises you must accept because of the charging infrastructure / range just makes ownership more of a thought and chore than it should be - I’m now back in a diesel powered car - I am thinking three or so years and we may be far enough in for me to try again
With charger of 7kW at home ( you get a grant from HMRC) you have no worries at all, long journeys now are no longer a problem with both Shell and BP having fast charging on the forecourts of 150-250kW. You may have had a bit of bum information. Having had EV's now for more that 8 years, the last three years i have never ever had a worry about charging, in the UK, Belgium, Holland ,Germany, France, Spain, and Italy. My last one, a Model S 85 did 67,500 Miles in 3 and a bit years, never a repair, no charge issues, one set of tyres, no brakes or brake pads its a no- brainer! My present Model 3 has a genuine 325 miles all day long at 70 MPH, and for the last year i have not lost a single mile in range. If i drive at 55 MPH i get 377 miles and 5-7 miles left over.
Imagine going on a touring holiday in the car, with kids, and every few hours you have to stop and wait to charge up. You would need another holiday when (if) you got back........
Have you looked into getting a 3 phase electric supply to your property? This will then allow you to charge at very fast rates, depending on what wall box you choose, and will let you charge more that one car at a time. This will be almost a requirement in the very near future when you can only buy a PHEV or MHEV when new purely petrol and diesel engines are banned.
@@dwade3202 Don't know what country you are in, but the UK have banned the sale of brand new petrol or diesel only engine vehicles as of 2030. By then Petrol will probably be £3 a litre too.....
@@dwade3202It doesn't matter how much oil there is left. We can't keep burning CO2 into the atmosphere. But don't worry about governments banning Sales of new ICE cars - the ICE manufacturers will stop producing them anyway, because the shrinking production numbers will make the per unit costs uneconomical. The ICE car market will collapse within a decade.
@@oerthling you mean we cant keep burning co2 AND have corporations destroy forrests and pollute everything with chemicals. Plants love co2 but when you destroy 95% of forrests then yeah, its a problem. And I think you're very wrong about the ICE market.
Just came across this channel, heard the accent, subscribed straight away. The video, straight to the point, informative, no fluff. Expected nothing less!
I'm not fundamentally opposed to EV's but I still think the tech has a way to go yet before it can become mainstream. We recently changed our car over before Christmas and I looked at the BMW IX3 and Tesla Model 3. In the end, we ended up sticking with petrol and going for the BMW X3 xDrive 30i. Cheaper Chinese alternatives were not even on my radar. In Australia, we have large distances to travel and the charging network is not there yet. We need to get to a point where it's convenient to find a public charger as per service stations and time to charge in minutes comparable to filling up my fuel tank. I have no desire to sit and have a coffee or lunch while I wait for my EV to charge. If we could get Hydrogen to a point where the cost to produce and storage issues are overcome, this would be a more viable alternative than BEV.
Ive always believed that hydrogen would be a better alternative to electric - even if it meant a quick-change tank system of some sort. Yet it has never been mentioned in the same breath as an alternative. WHY NOT???
@@blacknight1003 I agree with you there. Electric just makes no sense to me. There is not enough known rare earth materials required in the construction of EVs to permit a full switch of the world's fleet of cars and trucks to BEV. Then there is the problem of the electric grid not being able to sustain the ampage required to have millions of vehicles plugged into the grid to charge. I could go on and I'm sure EV advocates could rebut every one of the arguments but the fact is the technology is not there yet for mass adoption. ICE will need to be part of the mix of vehicles for many years to come. BMW have said they will continue with ICE development working on cleaner and more fuel efficient engines in the years to come.
@@easyz6654 In the uk there is a 10 GW drop in demand between 12 and 4 am how many EVS do you think this could charge from a 7kw outlet i make it around 345 million .
Currently driving the NC500 in our Toyota 2.0 Corolla Touring Sport self charging hybrid. Easily getting mid to late 50mpg from a car that has 180bhp & does sub 8 seconds 0 to 60 mph. No range anxiety either.
Also depends where you live, if your living in somewhere like London, where most trips you make are between 5-20 miles. The range is not soo much an issue, it becomes more of a problem for people who live in remote areas. In terms of charging infrastructure in London it's improving, they're popping up on pretty much all high streets, supermarket car parks, new builds. However, even then there still isn't enough charging infrastructure. In your more remote villages and towns, it will be at least 10 years, till they have enough charging infrastructure. For now I'd say stick to your internal combustion engines, only go electric if you live in a city, and predominantly use the car to make short trips.
The brexshit corrupted government will ensure that internal combustion engines will steadily be priced off the roads long before 2030. Higher fuel prices and taxation etc plus zero emissions requirements. Its all not far off that point. The current shock costs for fuel is thought to be temporary we shall see. Even if mass produced electric are come down to 20k to us many hard working families can't afford that. I rarely pay more the 2k for my cars at auction . Then they will think of extra costs for E cars to compensate for taxation loss on fossil fuels
Your are absolutely right, charging sucks on this moment but remember it is for this moment. The first ballpoint was 5 dollars as well, the first digital camera was a point 3 mb or even lower. All this have changed and improved and we are using the " new" inventions now. So I see your point and lots of us are inpatient, but for now find your way around it. Good luck. Thanks for sharing.
Agree with a lot but I’ve got used to it… got a Polestar and range should be 275 at the moment but it’s more like 200!!! I’ve altered my driving, use one pedal, and use their Range Assistant function. Biggest issue is the the heating which saps the battery and anything above 60 on the motorway sees me above 40kw per 100 miles. Battery is 75kw and have a pod point. Plus is cheaper BIK and company pay my electric usage, but the biggest negative is I speed in it so have to use cruise control permanently. With no engine noise or feedback it’s too easy for the speed to creep up.
All the videos I watch about EVs not one mentions where the electricity to charge 35 million cars in the UK will come from. If they were all charged at night that would still use between 75-90% of current grid output. Who's lights are gonna go out so you can charge your car? There doesn't seem to be any plans to double the grid output by 2030 either.
Quite agree, as if life isn't stressful enough without having to worry about charging every 200 miles. When going on holiday to get away from it all with luggage and children on board this only confounds the matter, and makes it a nightmare if you want to go to somwhere rural. At least with a hibrid you're not confined to where you go. Until 1000 range batteries are available will stick to stress free conventional motoring...
There is, as yet, no viable electric alternative to a reasonable Diesel / hybrid motor. My VW T 5.1, 9 seater easily does 600 + miles on a tank. 1.5 tank's and you're down the South of France, with 1 overnight stop. Just try and do that in any EV! Get rid, it's a bag of S#*T
150 miles is poor for a £63k car. I have an I5 which comfortably charges to 280 miles, and it does so quickly. I recently went from Buckingham to Exeter and return - no issues at all. Straight there with no stops - recharge at Exeter in an hour while I had my supper, and return. I think the issue is more to do with Audi having very slow charging speeds?
Fully agree with the charging situation, we are not there yet. Sold my EV and gone back to diesel. Fed up with my life being controlled by range, will look back at EV's again in a year or so when the country is ready. Great video and so true.
I did the same. Almost 3 months in an EV, found the public charging network where I live was shockingly bad. Out of 5 local points there’s only one working but even that has a socket out of use. I went to charge my car and there was a Tesla already plugged in. 20 hours later it was still there so I’d had enough and went back to a petrol car
Completely agree, had the Mercedes’ eqc as a massive tax write off, had it charging in the driveway overnight, rain destroyed the charging port and left me with a 4k bill
Seems like intentional Negligence to me. UK has particularly bad and neglected charging facilities. It's been covered by many RUclipsrs and seems to not improving at any pace.
25,000 miles in an eTron 55 in 12 months, often doing 300 - 500 miles in a day, home charging between 12:30am and 4:30am, the rest on public chargers while travelling (not always operational, occasionally busy), the eTron is best car I have ever had (and I have had quite a few) and it has saved me a fortune over my petrol discovery sport. Regularly get 220 - 230 miles out of a charge and that is in winter with winter tyres on the car and (worst case for en EV) a lot of 70mph on the motorway.
@@bikeman123 not sure this is aimed at me or not, but on public chargers in the last month, my 250kW of power at Ionity (or included in the subscription) chargers cost and average of 32p per kW including the monthly subscription cost. That is chargers on motorways, M6, M40, M5 where petrol/diesel is currently hitting around £8 a gallon. I'm sure the electrical cost will go up (as others are doing, BP Pulse and Gridserve are two,) but that was the cost in Feb '22 on my last bill. The comment about "his" battery being larger but range is smaller doesn't make sense to me. The are two types of measure here, WLTP and real world. WLTP for the 55 is higher rage than the 5o, real world for the 55 is higher than the 50. You can't compare WLTP of one with Real World on the other which your statement suggests that you are doing. I.e. WLTP on the 50 is higher than real world on the 55, it just doesn't work that way.
@@philhartley7564 you can't really compare today's price of diesel and petrol with elec cost prior to February. A friend of mine tells me he's now paying 57p kwh on public chargers, at 3.5miles per khw that's around 16p per mile. My home elec bill just went up 55%. EVs are losing their cost advantage. Diesel is now 157p litre, that's £7 not £8. My diesel car costs around 13p per mile.
@@bikeman123 Clearly there isn't much point debating this with you, but I will. You asked what it cost and on my last invoice that is what it cost. I do say it is likely to go up but even in February, petrol/diesel was around £6.50 a gallon. My eTron (at the moment) costs me 1.8p per mile charging at home on cheap rate tariff, 5.55p per mile on normal tariff, 11.86p on public chargers (Ionity +). Ive never paid 57p per kW with the most being 49p and even with that, it is 18.4p per mile for a relatively large Audi. I don't know what you drive but my previous petrol Discovery sport was around 24p per mile so whichever way I look at it, the eTron is cheaper than my previous car and, IMO, cheaper than any replacement ICE that I would have bought. Over the last year of ownership, I have saved over £4,500 in "fuel" alone, never mind any of the corporation tax, BIK benefits I have saved for a (much) better car. Prices are going up, electricity and petrol/diesel, taxes will change but for the last year and at the moment, it is far more beneficial driving the EV than an ICE car. This is based on the experience of real world running of my previous car and this EV (as well as a 4.2l v8 convertible which I have for fun). Also, have you checked the price of motorway fuel recently? A month ago, it might have been 157 a litre, now it is 170plus.
Those lane assists are bad, people end up relying on things like that and then when they fail, like they do as it's an electrical component to go wrong, it's an accident waiting to happen
Of course the situation differs between countries, but there are plenty wallboxes delivering 11KW, which would allow you to charge your car at least up to half of its capacity, so just charge it every night if needed, or every other day. Same thing goes to finding fast chargers, which should be more expensive than at home. Personally i installed a British wallbox, Zappi, which is linked to our solar panels. As for this generation of electric cars, well depending on the range you really need every day, it’s clear that larger batteries mean heavier cars. So a car with 40KWh batteries will weigh less than a car with a 70KWh battery. And will recharge faster, even if you charge it more often. To sum it up, it seems you bought your car without taking into account all the necessary criteria of your personal use, which means it’s a counter-example for would be ev buyers of what you should not do.
The wallboxes and the cars often aren't the bottleneck, but the mains don't offer 11kW in a lot of places. Not all houses can be connected to it (for example our house is 3x230V and the BMW I3 will only use monophase 7kW because it needs 3x400V+N to charge triphase up to 11kW. The problem is 7kW monophase strains the system at 32 Amps (of a 40Amp connection) so you already need to be careful what other loads to use simultaneously. Same problem with AC destination chargers that often have 2 outlets on a single connection to the grid but are often capped at 3,5-7kW. That gives an abysmal charging rate if you're only there for a few hours or less.
@@helldogbe4077 Same here, I had to limit my callbox to 7KWh, but I mainly charge the car at night, between 2 and 6, as I get an ultra low tariff then(11 c), and it's enough to fill up the i3's small battery.
@@helldogbe4077 That's just confusing. Any 3 phase house in a 230/240V country can do 22kW or 11kW although that might depend on existing loads. Some cars can only do AC 7kW, some 11kW and fewer still 22kW and most EVSE's are not 3 phase and therefore only capable of doing 7KW. If you have 3 x230V coming in to your house that's the definition of three phase. When combined you have 3 phases 120 deg out of phase with each other and with a neutral = 400 -415V 3 phase. Every house has to have a neutral doesn't it? Where do you live that you have three single phases coming in that are not out of phase with each other?
I watch all your videos but this one particularly hit a nail on the head for me... the cost of electric cars etc, whilst having access to a super-charger may be great, and may only be 4p an hour, you are still paying £63,000 for the car initially... and that's my argument against it at the moment. I am lucky enough to have a few cars, but my main little run about is a 1.8 petrol 2006 Honda Civic. owned it over 4 years now, paid £800 for it and it has never ever ever let me down. I dont care about it, I dont care about leaving it anywhere, if it gets dinged or dented I dont care because it;s just my cheap daily. so if I do some quick sums here.... Based on the average UK mileage of 12,000 miles per annum, and at a petrol cost of £1.50 a litre to round it up, that honda averages 45mpg for me. 4.54 litres of fuel per gallon, so one gallon costs £6.81. 12,000 miles divided by 45mpg is 266 gallons of fuel 266 gallons of fuel will cost £1,811.46 which means if the Audi was £63,000 and I take away £1,000 to offset the purchase price of my civic then £62,000 divided by £1,811.46 is 34.22 so I can drive my civic for another 34 YEARS before it's even cost me just the purchase price of that audi alone, not even taking into account the insurance costs and the charging costs of the audi. so whilst I appreciate electric cars for their speed and technology etc etc, if you simply want a reliable, cheap and no fuss car to get from A to B.... buy a 15 year old civic instead lol
If someone can afford to splash 63k without worrying about finances for a rainy day then they should go for it, there are too many things in life to worry about and a car isnt one of them.
@@bbar182 It is easy to virtue signal and belong to the progressive green crowd when you have deep pockets. At the moment EVs are for rich people, it may take a decade or so for that to change.
In Phoenix, Arizona these don't last very long. It's hot as hell, and the batteries are junk. Love the cheap charger. It's about 120.00 American to charger every month. I will be buying a hybrid next time. That's because "if the grid has power shortages, I have a backup."
I don’t understand why you’d be charging this car at home at only 3.6kW when 7.2kW is a formality with a suitable home charger on a dedicated 30A single phase connection or 11kW on 3-phase once connected (with the updated model now being capable of 22kW 3-phase). Why have a bloody expensive EV and penny pinch by trickle charging it on a 15A GPO?
Evil gt is sensible to sell, EVs are a con and just a gap filler for manufactures to adhere to govt emissions targets. I'll stick with my 99octane refined petrol until hydrogen blows ev away in 2030 😂
@@f32440i I work in the LEV space but still own/drive a Subie Outback XT for affordability/towing/family practicality. However from much personal experience, our work Model 3 Long Range (not even the Performance option) absolutely blows away the the turbo Subie and is a lot more fun to drive on road. As for a Hydrogen powered FCEV or ICE passenger vehicles, I can’t see it happening on cost grounds. Hydrogen supplied at pump is way to expensive (even at best future predictions) and the vehicles are too energy inefficient … batteries ~85-90%, FC 45-50%, spark ICE 30%. Pity because driven both the previous model Mirai and the current Nexo are they are both capable vehicles although lacking Tesla like performance.
Teslas are not perfect, but the charging network just - works. No cards. No credit/debit cards. No pushing buttons. No screens with unreadable icons in the sun. You just turn up, plug in, wait 10 -15 seconds while the car has a chat with California to establish its identity and you can wander off for a coffee - or sit in the car and watch TV - until it’s finished. At which point you unplug and drive away. If you haven’t got Tesla free charging your Tesla account debits the linked bank or card account. The stories I see regarding non-Tesla chargers make me go hot ‘n cold: queuing, non functioning, dropping off etc. Way to go…..
I have a 2019 dual motor long range Tesla model S. My home charger takes about 4 hours from 20-90%. At 100% charge it gives me 410 miles of range which translates to about 340 miles of actual driving range. On a long trip at a 150kw Tesla supercharger it takes 10-15 minutes to add 100 miles of range. Total power 541 PS, Total torque 755 NM No range problem, A real bullet on wheels.
150 miles on a charge - hah! For those of us in the USA, a 150-mile charge likely will get many of us, at best, halfway back to family (this is me). So I would need to schedule some down time while the car recharged - and, as you mentioned, the infrastructure is sorely wanting. I love the idea - the torque looks incredible for many EVs, and Musk's Tesla SUV made a convert (sort of) out of petrol-head high priest Jeremy Clarkson. But until the built-in inconvenience is resolved, no. And I do not expect this to be addressed soon, seeing that many states out west and in the northeast are predicting rolling blackouts this summer. Call me when fuel-cell vehicles become more mainstreamed - I have a lot of distilled water.
You drive 300 miles one way? So you spent most of your day in a car and spend arm and leg on ur gas . Don't over represent, most Americans don't live like you.. dude.
@@rs-dp6pr 15 -25 % of the people living in the US are basically in the middle of no where when it comes to an EV. 5 to 10 percent are actually in the middle of nowhere.... That is 16 to 32 million people, in the middle of nowhere... I have put 100k+ a year on many vehicles.... For years my daily commute was more miles than the Etron will make it on a single charge, 6 days a week. So MOH Hughes is not over representing anything. My family lives about 1900+ miles from me, try that in an EV. My car will do it in 3 to 4 fuel stops if it is full when I leave, and it takes 28 to 36 hours of driving time depending on traffic.. It is far cheaper to drive than fly or take the train, so that is a moot point as well. If you are not from North America you probably don't have a clue how far apart things can be from each other. And 300 miles in a car is about 4-5 hours max on the interstate, not all day....
Better off with a good PHEV like a c350e if you ask me. They are up to 60 mile range now. Can fill that on a nights charge from mains and you still have the petrol engine when you need it. Or for your price range you can get the x5 version with a 3 litre/2ltr depending on your taste.
I think you need a home charger. They charge at 7kwh generally 28 miles range per hour of charge, suitable sufficient for a days drive the next day. I am Tesla 3 driver so spoilt by Tesla charging infrastructure. There is definitely homework needed for you to find the right charging stations 7kwh is the free supermarket ones isn’t it.
Yep, real shame re charging network, wife and I both had EVs for a couple of years, don't genrally need more than a couple of hundred miles a day, charge over night, and have a Tesla for the charging network when needed. Neither of us would go back now. Tax breaks been great (company). Love the drive. Worked brilliant for us. Audi not there yet, but it will come. Sales of EVs having huge growth, best selling cars in the UK for several months last year. Its coming, hope the charging network catches up soon! Good video, cheers.
Great review. I was kinda looking at these as a possible future motor. The thing that jumps out for me though from this video is that the range loss is serious for a car you've had 4 months - 215 down to 155/160 - and even then you've to be playing with the regenerative braking and focus on how you drive it, rather than just driving it. Then as you say, the charging infrastructure isn't there either yet (same here in Ireland). I'll stick with my 2012 3.0 TDI A7 another while yet I think!
That simply cannot be correct. I have a five year old Leaf and the range is still as advertised when new. I get 3.5-4 miles per Kw in summer and typically still above 3 in winter. Obviously the range falls a little if you’re doing motorway speeds. That Audi has 70 Kw of battery storage, so it ought to be up above 200 at worst.
I wouldn't let the range comments here put you off. Like with any car the manufacturer will always overstate the range a bit. So that battery hasn't degraded. I also think that the e-tron is just inefficient. I have an ID.3 with pretty much the same size battery and consistently get well over 300 miles on a mixed cycle (VW claims 325) on 100% motorway it drops to about 250-260 and my car is 18 months old.
@@AGWUK Audi E-trons are notoriously inefficient. He loses even more range because he tops it up 100% every time which degrades the batteries faster... I charge my Model Y to 85 or 90% normally, put it on the charger when it drops below 20% Only on road trips I charge it to 100% This is good because it recalibrates the battery management system. My car lost 6.1% battery capacity during the first 6 months, but since then it has stabelized and is not dropping further. This is normal for Tesla NMLC battery packs.
We have a e-tron S. Here in the nordic countries no problems. Minimum range in the cold about 250km. But hpc everywhere and we have a 11kw charger at home and can charge any time of the day. We also have the 22kw ac charger. It does have a hifh consumption but the 55 and S have an amazing charging curve which make it great even for long distance driving.
Yes, a joke for most people to own as 1. way too expensive for the average family, and 2. battery tech (if that's even the answer) is not there, 3. the infrastructure is not there to support a majority of drivers with EV's. Politicians need to stop forcing a particular solution by pricing people out of gas/diesel. It's artificial and impractical - it won't work.
Good points with the charging, that car must be pretty inefficient. I've got an Egolf with a 32KWH battery and I get about 135 miles from that. Don't have the long wait to charge either with it having a small battery
2 points. You have one of the least efficient evs out there and are trying to charge it daily from a three pin plug. Not going to work if you do a lot of miles. There are better options, especially from Tesla. Vastly more efficient and a much better infrastructure if you did need to charge away from home. As others have said, if you do a lot of miles then explore 3 phase as an option.
Wow very interesting I didn't realise the costs around different charging points. Excellent review your TCR (Top Car Reviewer) certificate is on the way 👍😂😁
His argument is there for everyone who drives more than avarage and cannot get a fast charger at home (anyone without a driveway or garage to install one). It makes a huge difference if you always start with a full (95%) battery at home.
Now I know its an Audi, but the range is really not that great, the base E-tron is somewhere around 220 miles, and it costs more money than a Model 3 fully loaded, which gets 100 more more miles of range, why would one not just buy the Tesla?
I did the same just handed over the BMW iX for BMW 340i for the same reasons. Definitely will go back to EV. But for the time being its not practical for me especially I can't have home charging station.
Such a fan of the evil gt team. The realest car channel out there. Genuine petrol heads giving the viewers good honest reviews. And I can see the improvements in the channel. This is a great review. Keep it up lads!
You need to lookup EV MAN re ev vehicles, his comparisons are far more realistic. Plus buying a very heavy EV without a home wall charger in place and a potentially not on an ev electric rate was always going to be on the negative side.
Understand. Infrastructure for sure needs a big push in America as well. I liken it to the transition of 1900 when most average people still got around on horses. The cars were only affordable by the rich and few gas stations or paved roads. But along came Ford and standardization and mass production just 25 years in. Model A and T sold like hotcakes at around $850 buckaroos. The rest is history, people transitioned from horses to cars in less than a generation. Sure there were problems with infrastructure but it caught up fast when enough people bought cars. Byproduct issues as well with oil spills and ground water contamination; and it will be the same with old warn out batteries piling up. Who knows about contamination of nickel, palladium, and cobalt. But the change is coming just like it did in 1900.
The only appeal for me, is being able to charge your car at home without trekking to a petrol station, we live in the countryside and it's out the way to just put fuel in your car, often my hubby brings some home for me in a jerry can 😆 But I'm a petrol head, and always be, they'd have to be the last thing on the earth before I have an electric car 🤣
If cost is the main factor for you. It isn't for me. However, I charge at 7p / kWh, so don't need to think about how much it's costing me. It works out at about 20% of the cost of our petrol vehicle.
Skip the 11 mins of chat about the car. the reason is at the end, short range and lack of charging. Personally the choice of having crap brakes so that you charge the battery is the deal breaker.
Bloody hell are you two feeling ok. Informative car review, advice on tax. Friday morning lol
Bit of a change 🤣
@@EVILGT will try that tax thing. Run my own roofing business so might be worth a look . Cheers
Good luck mate. You’ll be very surprised as to what qualifies 👍🏼
Good review and greatly explained practical problem.
How much will you lose on the £63k when you sell it?
So let's see if I have this right:
You spend £63,000 on a car when you aren't sure what you want, you don't have a grasp of how you use your car, you buy a car without any real grasp of its specifications, you don't check the way to maintain it, you are almost completely in the dark about how to use it, and you can't be bothered spending a few hundred pounds to provide the only sensible way of fuelling it?
What could go wrong...?
Oh, by the way, the next time you fancy blowing 60 grand for little or no purpose, give me a bell and I'll take it off your hands for a lot less trouble
Perhaps a case of spending the government grant on something unrelated to that actual purpose the grants were designed for
Yeah, all he had to do is installing a charger at home for 300 bucks or something and would change the experience completely.. Also I do not see the need for 150+ miles everyday, but I do not know what they used the E-tron for.
Too much money and comfort… ready the complain and bitching how unfair the world is!!!
I know this pattern … Northern European rich person pattern … trust me on that
The mind boggles. How does a person this stupid have that much money to just play?
And mixing up kW and kWh as a routine 🙈
Have had my I-pace for about 20 months now and tbh I have had very little to complain about. I use it as a company car so I am not at risk of the depreciation as new technology comes in and the BIK tax benefit is brilliant. I get 225 miles out of it real world and I drive pretty quickly and if I use the cruise control on motorways it still manages that range at fast lane motorway speeds. I had an Ohme charger installed prior to the car arriving and can get a full charge pretty much overnight bearing in mind it rarely will go below 50 miles before I charge at home. On the rare very long journey I make sure I know where the superchargers are which mean I can fully charge in around 50 minutes. Round trip journeys of more than 210 miles would be less than 1 pct of my journeys
Just because the company loses the money doesn't mean it's a good deal.
summed it up well don't BUY one
You can charge your full battery in 10 hours or less overnight on a 7kw charger at home. I have the ETron 55 and I can reliably get 190-220 miles of range depending on the outside temperature.
Make sure you have a second car that’s a fuel burner if you’re worried about range. For us, the electric car works a treat.
@@frankhugh2052 can't your self on.
The thing about range is that no one ever runs it down to zero, just as you dont run a fuel car to empty, so in reality take 50 miles off any range.
@Stanley Knife Youd be mental to leave 20 miles on any kind of car unkess all you do is city driving and you know youll be back home.
@Stanley Knife Like I said, fine if all you are doing is city driving near your home charger, but I wouldnt want to be somewhere unusual where I'm getting lost (yes, i know there's sat nav, but you can still take wrong exits off roundabouts etc) and get stuck in traffic.
Im cool with EV, just think its a bit of a risk leaving a mere 20 miles on the range, thats all.
@Stanley Knife Not that unusual. Plenty people drove a lot of miles. Remember the average is 20miles A DAY, but you might not drive during the week much but do most of your driving at the weekend further afield.
If you buy an EV you *MUST* install a home charger with a minimum speed of 7kWh. This will allow you to have a full battery every morning :). Using a 3-pin plug is only for absolute emergencies!
Also, make sure you get a cheap overnight rate from the electricity provider. Paying 30-40p/kWh is not necessary. Overnight rates are now around 7.5p/kWh (approx 3-4p/mile).
So install a proper home charger and keep the nice car!
Yea those overnight rates will definitely stay if the whole country was charging overnight 🙄
I don't have an Audi, I have two Tesla, a P85D from 2014, and a new Plaid from just two months ago . My Tesla cars so far are able to give me almost the original ranges, even though the P85D is an older one. Range anxiety is not a problem for me, I have plenty of Tesla Superchargers where I live, and they are 100% available, never broken. You can not say that of other brands. But the Regen braking is pretty good, and I always drive 2-3 miles below the speed limit. Next, i don't only see that advantages of my EVs in terms of cents/mile. I also see that in terms also how much I am saving in oil changes, coolant, brake services, the time spent in those procedures, and the sort. Those other expenses have been ZERO for me. I used to have a Toyota Sienna XLE Minivan, a Chrysler T & C, and a Camry. All those cars are gone, but while I had them, I had lots of maintenance expenses and time doing so, and filing the gas tank. Now, I am totally taken out from al those things and waaaay better off with my EVs. And add to that the OTA updates. I so far would not recommend anything else from other brands, regardless how good they look. If they do not have the same offerings as Tesla, they are not worth it, and that applies to BMW, AUDI, Mercedes, or any other brand. And the re-sale value is high, like my 2014 model. I was offered 42000.00 thousand dollars for it, and I paid 71000.00 for it in 2014. My next "Limo" will be the CT, hopefully they will get to the market soon!!! But I will never go back to any ICE car, ever!!!!
This is where Tesla have a huge pull over other cars. I bet the E-tron is an amazing car and there are or will be others that are better than Tesla in some ways but the network is amazing. I did a day trip from east of London to wales. I didn’t stop to charge a moment longer than a coffee, lunch, dinner. In fact, I had to rush dinner to avoid overstay fees! The good thing is Tesla are opening the network up to non-Tesla (trialling at the moment)
yep. With Tesla this is really easy.
wow, it's a very different math for EV use in the UK than Canada, wow. Also different for the Audi. I run a Model 3 Tesla charging for $20-30 Cdn a month, all hydroelectric power (12 cents per kwhr) for about 1,000 km, charging any time I like, while my mercedes requires about $250 of gas to do the same. Also the Tesla reads 420km at full charge, and will go a full 420km if I use non-highway roads. Further the Model 3 is the same weight as a BMW 330, at 3600lbs. I guess Audi didn't put the right variables together as well as Hyundai and Tesla did.
With a 3 pin plug charger you will be getting only around 2.4kW. Your complaint is that you didn’t shell out for a proper charger (either 7.4 or 11kW if you have 3 phase). You would charge three time faster if you went for just the basic one. I don’t get it…just go buy the charger and get at least 50% charge overnight. If you cn get an Economy 7 rate (which I have) then you will get 70% overnight.
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I've got a tesla but i would not have it if i did not have a 7.5 kw home charger - just plug it in each night and wake up each morning to a full 280 mile charge - i only ever use public chargers if doing a long road trip - without the home charger you are dead right they do not make sense
Still costing lots to charge up at home if you have to charge up outside the hours of off peak
@@EVILGT you charge at night in the off peak hours, fully charged every morning. Tesla got supercharge. Big +
You charged using a 7kw wall box in the off peak times . You won’t have an issue. It would easily charged nearly to full with that setup. You wouldn’t have any issue and it would be at the cheaper rate, I’ve never had an issue
Batteries dont like being supercharged
@@EVILGT i have solar so is free charging in the day time
If you buy an electric car you should be more informed about how to use it. Losing range is not the cars fault, you are charging the batteries too often for short bursts, this does not give the BMS ( battery management system) the change to equalise the batteries and you will lose range unnecessary. Also, a home charging unit will be all you need, even on long journeys now you can charge everywhere, the charge points are now so well distributed that there is no need to be concerned. Of course if you buy a Tesla the network of superchargers means 150 kW charging, 18-23 minutes to fully charged!
I work in the power generation industry and we are miles away from an infrastructure in domestics settings , I have a 3 phase charger you can have if you have 3 phases at home ?
I’m sticking to my B9.5 RS4 gas guzzler until the time is right for electric vehicles.
Great insight and real world review on the state of the UK’s power network , it is deliberate by our government to gain the loss in fossil fuel tax revenue hence the galloping energy costs to domestics users , fiddled by our peers to maintain income from the common man.
We are now paying the price for successive governments making poor decisions over the past several decades, probably started by Mrs thatch flogging off the utilities. And since they went private investment went down in the pursuit of profit, coupled with failing to build more nuclear power stations, which means we are now reliant on imported fuel from countries that don't really like the UK.
Completely agree just sold my Tesla model X real world mileage 170 at best no chargers in East Yorkshire to speak of so bought a Range Rover V8!
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I bought a Hyundai Kona Electric just over a month ago. When I got it said it had a range of 279 miles, which is the quoted range of the car. Since then it has increased almost every time I have charged the car. Yesterday, when I got in it, the range said 357 miles. I have the very big advantage that almost all of my miles are round town, where EV's are at there most economical, but it is also down to how it's driven. In the current temperatures, I average around 6miles/kwh, but I have tested to see how low I can get that by accelerating hard and only using the brakes to slow down and I could get that down to 4.5miles/kwh, which, to be fair, is still fairly good, because it was still around town in warm weather, but it's also a lot less than 6miles/kwh.
I generally do 60-100 miles per day and charge at 2.2kwh/hour overnight, which takes 6-10 hours, so about 10 miles per hour. For my usage an EV is perfect, but obviously they are not suitable for everyone's situation and obviously not all EV's are the same, so one may suitable and another not, the same as with any car.
The charging infrastructure is pathetic at the moment. It's fine for people like me, who can easily charge from home, which is most EV owners. It's also not too bad for people who mainly do motorway miles or journeys along major routes, because that's where most of the rapid chargers are situated. Obviously for people who would need to rapid charge, but have no need to go anywhere near where the rapid chargers are, it's not going to work, but I would think that would be a fairly small group of people. They are obviously not ideal for people who are regularly doing very long journeys, which don't allow for charge times, but again, I would think that is a fairly small group. I would also say that EV's are fairly pointless for people who do very low mileage, because they will never offset the increased purchase price with the fuel savings, but if they just want an EV for environmental or other reasons, then it would be fine for that scenario.
Should have bought a Tesla... seriously, there's something wrong with your battery if the range keeps going down. Don't just accept it - get it checked by an expert and warrantied. The other thing this video pointed out is just how important efficiency is in an EV. Efficiency = Cheaper, more convenient, faster charging and just better.
310 more than these three behind me, that's the best thing I've heard on RUclips. The banter on Evil GT is great.
I have had an EV for 3 years. I charge at home. I have used public chargers a couple of times, without issue. I'm waiting for my next EV to be delivered. 300 + mile range. Charge at home or while out and about. Absolutely no issue. The best cars I've ever had. I have not once thought about going back to ICE.
300 miles lol
@@ln5747 Why LOL? In practical terms, it is very rare to do more than 100 miles in a day. If you charge at home you always leave with a 100% charge and hence 300 miles is huge overkill. I have had two EVs - one with a 120-mile range and one with a 250-mile range. The 120-mile range is the one I normally take (BMW i3) because I like the way it drives.
@@nixer65 sounding happy with 300 miles lol
I'm reporting you to RUclips for hacking the EVIL GT account. Everyone knows they don't do serious content 😡
On a serious note enjoyed the feedback from an owner. Serious amount of work needed by the government and others to get infrastructure in place. If I go to the office its a 100mile commute, few hundred people work there so no chance of an eV charger per person.
😂 thanks my friend
at £28 to fully charge it at 40p per kWh with a range of 160 miles and diesel at £2 a litre that's about the same cost as a diesel car doing 48 mpg
No one should have to plan their day around any car. Until it’s as easy to charge as it is to fill a car with petrol or diesel then I’m out.
I never was able to fill up with petrol at my house. I was also never able to leave the petrol pump and go grab a coffee, have a comfort break and then go back to a car without having to handle or smell carcinogenic material that I have spent 100£ on, 60£ of which is dead money given a petrol engine is around 40% efficient. That’s like buying 100£ of food and then chucking 60£ in the bin.
@@benjaminwinrow9620 bore off Benjamin...
It takes about 30 SECONDs of your time to charge on a Private charger. The problem is having access to Level 2 charger privately like on your own drive way. Sure it's going to be annoying if you can not do that. But for those who can get that access. Charging a BEV with adequate range like 250 miles or more is WAY Faster and less time wasting than Pumping & Paying for Petrol & Diesel. The massive difference is you just plug in then WALK AWAY do something else.
@@benjaminwinrow9620 Doesn't help that 50% is fuel duty and taxes to start with. Wait until you read up on how much hidden taxes are in the energy bill. And you think the road tax and BIK advantages for EV's will stay?
I’ve got the vorsprung 50 in black and it looks great but I get 150miles full charge and if I put the heating on it drops to 120☹️ Plus nobody tells you the heaters don’t work when you are charging. Audi should supply big coats with every etron
Why didn't you just buy a tesla long range
🙄 I feel your pain
@@Islam_is_the_truth.4 It's a shame it doesn't exist with a liftback for a more accessible trunk (like the BMW I4). The model Y doesn't suit me as it has less range and looks even worse
I hired an EV van for a month for my business.
I gave the thing back after 2 weeks. It was costing me customers and income.
The van I hired had a 200 mile range. I cover around 150miles per day.
Problem. When I'd loaded the van with kit for a days work, that weight killed the range.
I was getting 50 miles per charge! I'd hate to think how dismal the range would be if I'd fitted the inverter for in the field mains power.
I cannot charge at home so I would be dependent on public charging even if I bought one.
My day with the EV.
Take the missus to work.
Charge the van
Go to the first appointment.
Drive to the charger, wait 3 or 4 deep in a charge queue, call the next customer and cancel because of the charging issue.
Eventually charge and be ready for the next day.
I could be charging 3 times per day. That's 4 hours wasted per day.
The nearest charge point is 6 miles away, there's 2 points. The next nearest is 15 miles across the city.
So I'm not only wasting time charging there is also the time to drive to the charge station.
I cannot pay with cash like I do diesel.
I'll stay with my 20 year old diesel van. It does 600+ miles per fill up, whilst it's loaded for work. It costs me 20p per mile in diesel.
I’ve got a 7kw wall box at home and charging in off peak hours have never been an issue and generally wake up to a full charge . How often will you run it down so low . Even if you don’t get a full charge 1 night, you definitely will the next . Plus it’s always advisable to charge to 80% than 100% if not on longer journeys. So the charging infrastructure is there. I think you should get your wall box installed and think again afterward . You will be surprised
I live down in Devon , so not the best public charger available.
I researched EV’s for a very long time before ordering a Tesla and home charger (PodPoint) and cheap overnight tariff provider (Octopus 7.5p)
Yes I know Teslas don’t suit everyone but 300 mile range, it drops a bit in winter, and supercharger network makes EV ownership easier. I’m really shocked at the range of the Audi.
I enjoyed Lee doing a serious owners review, snappy editing kept it engaging, felt strange having no expletives in a video 😅
Thanks mate, appreciate you saying that 👍
Brilliant review .love it...
I drive a 1.9tdi touran and an audi S4B6 V8 avant ..
Great insight into the ETRON .
Shocking how lacking the charge points availability in places .
Il definitely not be going to electric power anytime soon .
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Funny thing is I agree with 90% of what you say in the video but still getting an EV as for me it makes sense. I’m getting the Q4 E-Tron which has more range and for charging I’ll have a home charger and free charging at the office once a week. This will cover 95% of our journeys so will only need public charging maybe once a month, if that. Do agree if you have higher mileage needs and no fast home charging , the lack of infrastructure is a big issue and it will take years to get to the stage where EV’s are a no-brainier.
If you can get a better car don't get a Q4....I'm a Q4 owner.
Any EV is better than any ICE. Like an entry level smart phone is far superior than a pre-smartphone phone.
@@munya44 as a Tesla owner since 2013 and someone who closely follow EV market, I have not seen an EV that can even come close to a Tesla and I don’t expect anyone to be able to catch up to them as they are innovating was faster than anyone else. With that been said, any EVs is still better than any ICE.
@@munya44 What don't you like about it?
@@K1RealtyBMW m3 or i3
Nissan GT-R or leaf
you can turn off the lane assist by pushing the button on then end of the turn signal. You can change regen to manual, then its always on. As for charging, get a charger at home and you'll have a full charge in the morning.
You're right about the charging infrastructure being weak. Although it seems better over in Europe than here in America. Nevertheless, if you put a charger in your house you solve 95% of that problem, at least
I have a Renault Zoe and I can charge it at home at 7kwh. I am with Octopus energy and am charged 5 pence a Kwh between 12:30 and 04:30, so that means I can fill the car battery to 28Kwh for £1.40. The car will do something like 220 miles in Summer and 160 miles in Winter to a fullly charged battery which is 54Kwh. The range will depend on how you drive. I drive at a maximum of 60 mph and I drive in eco mode. The air conditioning reduced the range from 220 miles to 180 miles. My version does not have the super fast charge, which is 50kwh but can be charged at a maximum of 20kwh (I believe). The problem with range is probably overstated by most people unless you are doing over 100 miles a day which is 36,500 miles per year, which is unusual. The only charging points I have tried to use, other than my home, is supermarkets, which deliver 7kwh and charge nothing. I also have solar panels and charge the car from those. I do about 4,000 miles a yeart and so far the car has cost me about £25 this year in electricity which I have had to pay for. I am 71 years old and retired. I think my car is fantastic and I love the ease of driving, cruise control, lane assist, one pedal driving, regenerative breaking, fast acceleration from standing still. I think the above reviewer either needs to do a lot of miles a day or is being unreasonable about charging. I do not know why he can only charge his car at 3.5 Kwh, perhaps he has not installed a dedicated home car charger which would deliver 7Kwh. I also think there are more "sensible" electric cars than the model he is reviewing.
As a caravanner,diesel is still king and looks like that will be the case for some time.Petrol hybrids do not cut it and only block charging points for for the 100 % evs.
Hello. Beutiful car you have. Sad to hear about the bad charging infrastructure. I get 170 - 205 km (105 - 127 miles) at 80% in winter, and 215 - 220 km (133 - 136 miles) on my E-tron 50 in Norway. So a 100% of 171 miles is max I get, except on long journeys I get about 300 km (186 miles) after 100% charging. Love the car and I don't have problems with charging here in Norway. My nearest charger is about a mile away, which I use twice a week, and I have never (until now) had problems on longer trips in Norway (due to pandemic, I have not travelled internationally yet with it).
I find it strange car manufacturers are putting out all these electric cars without the infrastructure of fast chargers established on most corners of a city .
There are other countries than the UK, you know...I drive an E-tron and where I live, the infrastructure is not an issue.
I have a Peugeot e-208 I’ve found I can get the published range as long as I keep my foot off the accelerator. The car is great and when you need the power it’s there, the problem as I see it is not just the chargers but also the Infraestructure behind the chargers. I regularly charge at 350KW chargers , however my car can only take 100KW maximum, so far I’ve only ever seen 98KW and most of the time a lot less. The UK is no where near ready for the population to switch to electric and it’s going to be very painful as more people get them, because wait times will go ip considerably.
Braking should be just on the foot peddle, and the car should sort it. light regen getting more severe as the peddle is pressed more, and then friction coming in. 2 level digital braking is rubbish.
12 year old 535D still does 600 miles per tank....admittedly costing a million quid to fill up.
The braking you describe is how tesla does it. No steering wheel paddles, no gimmicks, just full-time regenerative braking 9exccept when restricted by a cold battery). But the German manufacturers particularly seem to prefer other approaches.
I have to agree. Anyone who actually _needs_ Lane-Keep Assist, really shouldn't be driving. A very mild acquaintance of mine recently sold his full-on electric car in the UK, and bought a gas car to replace it. Had the electric for less than a year. He told me the issues are, there aren't enough electric charging stations in his neck of the woods. And, sometimes the car's "brain" for lack of a better term; refuses to charge even when properly plugged in. Doesn't happen often. But shouldn't happen at all. Even when charging, the charge times are just too long compared to gasoline powered vehicles.
Pull into a petrol station, and you can pump and be done in easily less than 5 minutes. People want convenience. They'll happily pay large sums of money for *ANYTHING* that makes their lives more convenient. Electric cars just aren't convenient.
And nobody really cares if future generations have a livable planet?🤯
@@gerhardk98
That was funny. 🤣
This is why research is so important. Had you bought a bottom of the range Tesla with its minimum realistic range of 210 winter or 240 summer, not only would you have saved yourself over £20k on purchase price but the supercharger network means no having to think of range on really long journeys. Min 250kw chargers too, new ones are 350kw.
I went from Tesla Model S (luda) to Audi. Less range and much slower, but the quality, choices, electronics, premium feel and sound isolation is a different world. "Research" will tell you that Tesla is on the bottom of the list of all brands regarding build quality. 1200 court cases against Tesla and increasing. They have a long way to go.
The perfect car is not made yet. Maby I will try the Nio ET7 next. So much cool EVs comming now. 😊
Good to have choice
You buy a Tesla for the charging network not the build quality! It’s not yet German but it is decade ahead on practical fast charging network… even buy a used Tesla is better then buying the Audi et al
@@robinspat the tesla charging network is now open for everybody.
I sold my bmw m3 a few years ago and decided to try something completely different, I started buying skodas, I bought a 2018 skoda superb 2.0 190 sel executive estate, a great car and fantastic on fuel, a full tank would see over 1000 miles if driven sensibly, I also purchased a 2018 skoda citigo 75 ps model for town driving, but this car has proved to be quite the car ,yes its slow but can travel at motorway speeds no problem, but on a run this little car constantly returns 60 mpg . Last week I drove the the NEC from London and back in a day it used 20 litres of fuel and yesterday I drove to Dorset and back to London on the other half of the tank ,admittedly the fuel light was on when I got home .I had brimmed the tank but I had travelled just over 500 miles on 60 quid .I had just taken delivery of a brand new volkswagan t6.1 transporter 204 dsg Lwb swamper camper for the weekends and holidays. So every penny i save on my week day commute I can put towards my new toy for the weekends..I can see the advantages of going all electric but not just yet .
I got myself a leaf. Absolute bargain given the fuel savings it brings on my short journeys. I do 1200 miles a month and had no problems given the journeys I do. Admittedly we have a petrol car which sits on the drive and doesn't get used, but it will do when we drive to France in the summer. Overall I'm an advocate for EV's, so long as you're not a 300 mile plus motorway driver.
If you have the parking space it makes a lot of sense to buy a cheap short range EV for local trips and keep your ICE car for long range.
Same. Got a Leaf in February. £0.27 charging overnight via 3 pin. 5 times cheaper than my prev petrol 40mpg.
If people honestly assess their driving needs that 300 mile trip doesn’t occur often enough to be the deciding factor.
Interesting video. As a retired person and not in a position to offset against tax any expenses re car ownership your comments about charging points is one of the major reasons why I’m reluctant to go all electric. I’m in the market for a new car and have over the years run diesel and petrol cars several of which did over 100k before changing for a new vehicle, all without the benefit of tax breaks and mostly small to medium sized hatchbacks.
My issue with electric cars is I also need to update the electrics in the house where we live to install a 7kw charge point and make full use of the 4kw of solar panels which we’ve had for over 10 years on our roof. We regularly visit rural Wales and prior to Covid Yorkshire and Derbyshire. These areas seem to be missing out on charging stations. The added weight of electric cars must make them less efficient as they are carrying extra weight in the batteries over diesel or petrol cars. Having at one time run only diesel cars and then being caught out by the eco lobby I also wonder if the same will happen with electric cars when hydrogen becomes more viable. The heavy construction industry is already looking to hydrogen fuel rather then electricity. Hydrogen requires a lot of electricity to produce but once produced has similar practical user qualities to petrol or diesel. Still sceptical about electric vehicles.
Petrol and diesel are already very inefficient as most of the energy is transformed into heat.
interesting review. I drive various EVs including the etron every day for my job and I don't have a problem finding a fast charger on my travels. surely a home charger would solve all your concerns? looks like you have a new build house, so 7kwh and maybe even higher with the correct electric power means you should be able to fully charge the car overnight each day. being reliant on the 3 pin socket would drive me mad!
My thoughts exactly as well
I would also suggest swapping the Audi for a car that has better range and efficiency, that's not great! then the longer trips wouldn't be a problem.
A model 3 long range would allow access to the super chargers, total game changer!
Public chargers in Lanarkshire are all FREE, and that includes rapids. Tesco is free, my solar is free and I can charge at home for 4 hours overnight for £1.40. If you have a charge point at home its simple to charge overnight. Loads of chargers here in Scotland with more and more been added all the time and I reckon I have somewhere in the region of 150 charge points within a 10 miles radius, perhaps even more. I am retired so no tax rebate for me but still no way I’d go back to an ICE. Both cars on our driveway are electric. We’ve had our i3 just short of 3 years and reckon in that time I’ve spent less than £40 in total charging it, that’s just the occasional home charge as I have no difficulty in charging it here on the public network.
It seems to me that you should get yourself a solar array. It may cost you some money, but, with the price of electricity these days, the payback times have dropped like a stone. Make sure you specify the 3 phase storage option and you can whack up your recharge times to some more serious numbers.
I'd also point out that you would do much better with something like an Ioniq 5, because the range is quite a lot better, so you don't need to charge the battery to the full 100%. Top it up to 80% if you're intending to do more than 200 miles in a day, the rest of the time you should just keep it at a maximum of about 50-60%.
It does look like there are going to be some significant improvements to battery tech coming soon, so don't give up on them just yet.
Dave, clarify what you mean by whack up recharge to serious numbers. I have 3 phase going into my house and I have a 4kw system on my roof. Thanks.
@@riboid So, do you have problems with recharging speeds? 3 phase will increase the charge rate over single phase.
I don't understand what your problem is with my comment.
Charging has really come on since this film was made. I wouldn’t have an EV without having my home charger
You're spot on about poor range and shocking lack of charging infrastructure in the UK. If you need to go far and use it on the motorway the range is even lower. These issues explain 1000s of EVs up for sale in the UK at knockdown prices. £30k gets you a used e-tron with about 15k on the clock. About £28k for a Skoda Enyaq with less than 10k miles. These are all £40k+ cars when new. Depreciation shows what the public thinks of EV revolution, especially when decent nearly new petrols and diesels retail for more that RRP when new.
Absolutely 💯💯💯
I love how our Tesla Y silently goes along. but there are so many things I dont like about it, that I am ready to move on to something else with both ICE and plug in electric. That way, when I get to the remote areas that I love to travel to, I can mindlessly explore that remote area and all of it's roads and places of interest. Right now, we have to constantly remind ourselves how much energy we are using when we travel.
Hybrid is far safer for now unless you have some sort of plan where you can pick up a car at each end of your destination anyway.
@@DEVILTAZ35 I am all set to get a Mercedes Benz C300e Plug-in hybrid with its 100km range on electric alone. For day-to-day short trips, one full charge per week in the garage wall charger will be sufficient. The ICE will alleviate EV owners’ range anxiety.
Still spews poisonous gas so not so green..
Been running Kia EV6 since March, 280 March /April now over 300 tested at 328 and can achieve that with AC on it drops only 5/7 miles and it is accurate for the range left within 3 miles charge at work 11Kw and when out and about tend to use Ionity or instavolt (they work)
Nice Video, very insightful! One comment is that don't forget that battery outputs vary massively due to temperature, meaning in summer it will probably be more like 215 miles, just something to bare in mind. Saying that, temperature doesn't effect a 300hp ICE car range that drastically, so we still have a fair bit to go!
Yeah agreed the weather doesn’t help 🙄
I find it suspicious that when you pick up the car brand new from the dealer, it shows exactly the specificated max mileage.
Is there a field for config In the cluster config tool? 😂 VCDS anyone?
Hi Lee great video on the E-Tron which is the same color E-Tron I have. I understand you were disappointed the battery wasn't fully charging after 4months. Here's the issue Audi recommends only charging the battery to 80% not 100% which you were doing. The charge will hold and last longer because of the battery type used should not be charge all the time to 100%. The MyAudi app explains the recommended 80% charge. Only charge the battery to 100% when you plan to go on longer trips. I have followed the 80% charge rule and now I am very please with the battery performance and enjoying the E-Tron even more.
100% right.. That’s the only thing stopping me swapping to full electric, the infrastructure.. just not enough fast chargers…
Great looking car though, and definitely one I’d go for
Not only that, good luck at this very moment find a working one or one that's not constantly hogged, also if you use the less powerful one and you stay for over 90 minutes bp pulse fines you £10 per hour!!
There's loads of chargers they just have Tesla written on them
It's not just a lack of superchargers though it's a lack of supporting cabling and substations too. Those two things are projects with timescales akin to HS2 and with probably more cost involved. 2050 might be a realistic target but 2030 is not and the can will very quickly get kicked down the road on that.
It's not just having to plan a roadtrip around charging stations, but what do you do if you're just about out of juice and the only nearby charging station has 3 terminals, 2 that are inoperative and the 3rd has the line cut from thieves looking to sell the copper? Then there is the not so small matter of using public fast chargers costing about the same as filling the tank of a full size truck/SUV...which comes as a shock to people who avoid such vehicles for that very reason.
I think this is the main reason teslas are doing so well went from north manchester, to south London and back and charged it once for 50 minutes (20 pounds ish on the suoercharger) , which was with a full car and 5/9 degrees and raining. Unless you travel for work I can't see too much of a problem.
I am charging my car on a 3 KW standard power socket since 10 years. This adds approx. 150 km of Range over night. Never got an issue. Even the car is empty in the evening we got enough range next day. Of course sometimes I need to charge for more money, but that is marginal. Also a PV is a great addition to an EV or as it was in my case the EV is a greate addition to my PV.
Live in New Zealand... thought about a Full EV and decided against it for the same point you mentioned... not enough infostructure (the Uk would be FAR MORE advanced from that point than NZ) i opted for a hybrid (have 2wd Sorrento)my last car was a SQ5 diesel (which i loved)but my kids getting older(and bigger)it suits our needs and i only refuel once every 6 weeks (short commute to work) very fuel efficent for a 2ton plus car.. good regenerative braking on the battery (and actually more comfortable than the SQ5 on long journeys). Opted away from the plug in version as the cost (to buy)was another (30k extra NZ) and the the extra cost of having a charger installed at the house $2000plus . When NZ have improved their charging Network i will probable go for a Full EV
If you make mostly short journeys a plug in hybrid would have worked well for you. You could have probably charged it enough overnight on an ordinary socket if you didn't install a proper charger. Then you wouldn't need to buy fuel at all until you made a long journey.
How different would your experience be if you had 7kWh home charging and able to wake up every morning with a full battery? How many miles do you do every day? EVs are not for everyone but a majority of people can make it work. Have access to a second car for long trips as the charging network and charge rate of cars improve helps live with a day to day EV if you don't have lengthy daily journeys.
Honest and informative video! I don't understand why didn't you install a wallbox? then you could charge your Etron easily overnight (77kWh / 11kW = 7 hours). Basic rule no.1 of an electric car to work: you must be able to charge at home, using a wallbox.
Yeah I get that but as we moved house we haven’t had the box installed yet. But even if we did have one installed you are still limited to the mileage. It still takes an hour to get 20 miles back into the range.
Can you get 11kw of a normal single phase supply?
Regardless how you drive all batteries deteriorate over time, a lot faster than gas cars because all of the car runs on battery, the lights, radio, ac, dashboard, mobile charger, so technically you don't ideally get the full range promised, no matter how you drive it, it won't change the fact that it mainly relys on the battery.
I could teach you how to drive the car to get 215 out of it. We have a fully electric car aswell. It dose take a bit of getting used to
I’d love to see how. Even the sales guy said 215 miles is actually 175 real world. There are loads of articles about it too, stating the same
@@EVILGT aww really, I guess it’s not possible then. You wouldn’t want to drive that way anyway it’s boring as fuck. I have to drive like that for work haha
@@garryc2465 😂😂🙈
Thanks for your frankness. The Etron is not a great EV if range is an issue. Its a nicely appointed vehicle, but despite a big battery its efficiency is poor - any idea of the miles per Kwhr? - good would be 3+ miles and thats in summer temps. Cold slows the chemical reactions in the battery, so efficiency/range drops. Second, you need a basic single phase domestic charger so you can fully charge overnight and get an electricity tariff which will save you money in the hours of darkness. Yes, the national charging infrastructure is pants, Slow, expensive if fast, massive areas of the UK with zilch chargers. Thats called government neglect. No planning. If Norway can have a good national network, why cant we? If I may suggest, try a hybrid as your replacement. Best of both worlds, with diesel/petrol dominant for long trips.
I recently had both a 55 Quattro E-Tron and a Q4 40 E-Tron as company cars - your review is bang on, the compromises you must accept because of the charging infrastructure / range just makes ownership more of a thought and chore than it should be - I’m now back in a diesel powered car - I am thinking three or so years and we may be far enough in for me to try again
With charger of 7kW at home ( you get a grant from HMRC) you have no worries at all, long journeys now are no longer a problem with both Shell and BP having fast charging on the forecourts of 150-250kW. You may have had a bit of bum information. Having had EV's now for more that 8 years, the last three years i have never ever had a worry about charging, in the UK, Belgium, Holland ,Germany, France, Spain, and Italy. My last one, a Model S 85 did 67,500 Miles in 3 and a bit years, never a repair, no charge issues, one set of tyres, no brakes or brake pads its a no- brainer! My present Model 3 has a genuine 325 miles all day long at 70 MPH, and for the last year i have not lost a single mile in range. If i drive at 55 MPH i get 377 miles and 5-7 miles left over.
Imagine going on a touring holiday in the car, with kids, and every few hours you have to stop and wait to charge up. You would need another holiday when (if) you got back........
Have you looked into getting a 3 phase electric supply to your property? This will then allow you to charge at very fast rates, depending on what wall box you choose, and will let you charge more that one car at a time. This will be almost a requirement in the very near future when you can only buy a PHEV or MHEV when new purely petrol and diesel engines are banned.
And who will ban them ? God ? Aliens ? Yes lemme buy a 10 yo used EV and go for 50 miles per charge lmao
@@dwade3202 Don't know what country you are in, but the UK have banned the sale of brand new petrol or diesel only engine vehicles as of 2030. By then Petrol will probably be £3 a litre too.....
@@timwinfield2380 I would say thats all just for show. And oil price is artificially high, we have oil for the next 50 years easy
@@dwade3202It doesn't matter how much oil there is left. We can't keep burning CO2 into the atmosphere.
But don't worry about governments banning Sales of new ICE cars - the ICE manufacturers will stop producing them anyway, because the shrinking production numbers will make the per unit costs uneconomical. The ICE car market will collapse within a decade.
@@oerthling you mean we cant keep burning co2 AND have corporations destroy forrests and pollute everything with chemicals. Plants love co2 but when you destroy 95% of forrests then yeah, its a problem. And I think you're very wrong about the ICE market.
Just came across this channel, heard the accent, subscribed straight away. The video, straight to the point, informative, no fluff. Expected nothing less!
Nice one Sam cheers mate 👍🏼
I'm not fundamentally opposed to EV's but I still think the tech has a way to go yet before it can become mainstream. We recently changed our car over before Christmas and I looked at the BMW IX3 and Tesla Model 3. In the end, we ended up sticking with petrol and going for the BMW X3 xDrive 30i. Cheaper Chinese alternatives were not even on my radar.
In Australia, we have large distances to travel and the charging network is not there yet. We need to get to a point where it's convenient to find a public charger as per service stations and time to charge in minutes comparable to filling up my fuel tank. I have no desire to sit and have a coffee or lunch while I wait for my EV to charge.
If we could get Hydrogen to a point where the cost to produce and storage issues are overcome, this would be a more viable alternative than BEV.
Ive always believed that hydrogen would be a better alternative to electric - even if it meant a quick-change tank system of some sort. Yet it has never been mentioned in the same breath as an alternative. WHY NOT???
@@blacknight1003 I agree with you there. Electric just makes no sense to me. There is not enough known rare earth materials required in the construction of EVs to permit a full switch of the world's fleet of cars and trucks to BEV. Then there is the problem of the electric grid not being able to sustain the ampage required to have millions of vehicles plugged into the grid to charge. I could go on and I'm sure EV advocates could rebut every one of the arguments but the fact is the technology is not there yet for mass adoption. ICE will need to be part of the mix of vehicles for many years to come. BMW have said they will continue with ICE development working on cleaner and more fuel efficient engines in the years to come.
@@easyz6654 In the uk there is a 10 GW drop in demand between 12 and 4 am how many EVS do you think this could charge from a 7kw outlet i make it around 345 million .
Currently driving the NC500 in our Toyota 2.0 Corolla Touring Sport self charging hybrid. Easily getting mid to late 50mpg from a car that has 180bhp & does sub 8 seconds 0 to 60 mph. No range anxiety either.
Also depends where you live, if your living in somewhere like London, where most trips you make are between 5-20 miles. The range is not soo much an issue, it becomes more of a problem for people who live in remote areas.
In terms of charging infrastructure in London it's improving, they're popping up on pretty much all high streets, supermarket car parks, new builds. However, even then there still isn't enough charging infrastructure. In your more remote villages and towns, it will be at least 10 years, till they have enough charging infrastructure. For now I'd say stick to your internal combustion engines, only go electric if you live in a city, and predominantly use the car to make short trips.
it becomes an issue when used as a car ie trips over 50 miles forget it
The brexshit corrupted government will ensure that internal combustion engines will steadily be priced off the roads long before 2030. Higher fuel prices and taxation etc plus zero emissions requirements. Its all not far off that point. The current shock costs for fuel is thought to be temporary we shall see.
Even if mass produced electric are come down to 20k to us many hard working families can't afford that. I rarely pay more the 2k for my cars at auction . Then they will think of extra costs for E cars to compensate for taxation loss on fossil fuels
@@Bob-nu3xe Utter nonsense, as anyone who owns an EV will tell you.
Your are absolutely right, charging sucks on this moment but remember it is for this moment. The first ballpoint was 5 dollars as well, the first digital camera was a point 3 mb or even lower. All this have changed and improved and we are using the " new" inventions now. So I see your point and lots of us are inpatient, but for now find your way around it. Good luck. Thanks for sharing.
Agree with a lot but I’ve got used to it… got a Polestar and range should be 275 at the moment but it’s more like 200!!! I’ve altered my driving, use one pedal, and use their Range Assistant function. Biggest issue is the the heating which saps the battery and anything above 60 on the motorway sees me above 40kw per 100 miles. Battery is 75kw and have a pod point.
Plus is cheaper BIK and company pay my electric usage, but the biggest negative is I speed in it so have to use cruise control permanently. With no engine noise or feedback it’s too easy for the speed to creep up.
Good to hear your experience too 👍
All the videos I watch about EVs not one mentions where the electricity to charge 35 million cars in the UK will come from.
If they were all charged at night that would still use between 75-90% of current grid output. Who's lights are gonna go out so you can charge your car? There doesn't seem to be any plans to double the grid output by 2030 either.
Quite agree, as if life isn't stressful enough without having to worry about charging every 200 miles. When going on holiday to get away from it all with luggage and children on board this only confounds the matter, and makes it a nightmare if you want to go to somwhere rural.
At least with a hibrid you're not confined to where you go. Until 1000 range batteries are available will stick to stress free conventional motoring...
There is, as yet, no viable electric alternative to a reasonable Diesel / hybrid motor.
My VW T 5.1, 9 seater easily does 600 + miles on a tank.
1.5 tank's and you're down the South of France, with 1 overnight stop.
Just try and do that in any EV!
Get rid, it's a bag of S#*T
150 miles is poor for a £63k car. I have an I5 which comfortably charges to 280 miles, and it does so quickly. I recently went from Buckingham to Exeter and return - no issues at all. Straight there with no stops - recharge at Exeter in an hour while I had my supper, and return. I think the issue is more to do with Audi having very slow charging speeds?
Fully agree with the charging situation, we are not there yet. Sold my EV and gone back to diesel. Fed up with my life being controlled by range, will look back at EV's again in a year or so when the country is ready. Great video and so true.
The word there is ‘controlled’
You think the country will be ready in a year? Think again mate, come back in 2030 might be getting close by then.🤷🏼
I did the same. Almost 3 months in an EV, found the public charging network where I live was shockingly bad. Out of 5 local points there’s only one working but even that has a socket out of use. I went to charge my car and there was a Tesla already plugged in. 20 hours later it was still there so I’d had enough and went back to a petrol car
Completely agree, had the Mercedes’ eqc as a massive tax write off, had it charging in the driveway overnight, rain destroyed the charging port and left me with a 4k bill
Seems like intentional Negligence to me. UK has particularly bad and neglected charging facilities. It's been covered by many RUclipsrs and seems to not improving at any pace.
25,000 miles in an eTron 55 in 12 months, often doing 300 - 500 miles in a day, home charging between 12:30am and 4:30am, the rest on public chargers while travelling (not always operational, occasionally busy), the eTron is best car I have ever had (and I have had quite a few) and it has saved me a fortune over my petrol discovery sport. Regularly get 220 - 230 miles out of a charge and that is in winter with winter tyres on the car and (worst case for en EV) a lot of 70mph on the motorway.
So his etron battery is significantly larger than yours but his range is significantly less? What do you pay per kwh at a motorway charger these days?
@@bikeman123 not sure this is aimed at me or not, but on public chargers in the last month, my 250kW of power at Ionity (or included in the subscription) chargers cost and average of 32p per kW including the monthly subscription cost. That is chargers on motorways, M6, M40, M5 where petrol/diesel is currently hitting around £8 a gallon. I'm sure the electrical cost will go up (as others are doing, BP Pulse and Gridserve are two,) but that was the cost in Feb '22 on my last bill. The comment about "his" battery being larger but range is smaller doesn't make sense to me. The are two types of measure here, WLTP and real world. WLTP for the 55 is higher rage than the 5o, real world for the 55 is higher than the 50. You can't compare WLTP of one with Real World on the other which your statement suggests that you are doing. I.e. WLTP on the 50 is higher than real world on the 55, it just doesn't work that way.
@@philhartley7564 you can't really compare today's price of diesel and petrol with elec cost prior to February. A friend of mine tells me he's now paying 57p kwh on public chargers, at 3.5miles per khw that's around 16p per mile. My home elec bill just went up 55%. EVs are losing their cost advantage. Diesel is now 157p litre, that's £7 not £8. My diesel car costs around 13p per mile.
@@bikeman123 Clearly there isn't much point debating this with you, but I will. You asked what it cost and on my last invoice that is what it cost. I do say it is likely to go up but even in February, petrol/diesel was around £6.50 a gallon. My eTron (at the moment) costs me 1.8p per mile charging at home on cheap rate tariff, 5.55p per mile on normal tariff, 11.86p on public chargers (Ionity +). Ive never paid 57p per kW with the most being 49p and even with that, it is 18.4p per mile for a relatively large Audi. I don't know what you drive but my previous petrol Discovery sport was around 24p per mile so whichever way I look at it, the eTron is cheaper than my previous car and, IMO, cheaper than any replacement ICE that I would have bought. Over the last year of ownership, I have saved over £4,500 in "fuel" alone, never mind any of the corporation tax, BIK benefits I have saved for a (much) better car. Prices are going up, electricity and petrol/diesel, taxes will change but for the last year and at the moment, it is far more beneficial driving the EV than an ICE car. This is based on the experience of real world running of my previous car and this EV (as well as a 4.2l v8 convertible which I have for fun). Also, have you checked the price of motorway fuel recently? A month ago, it might have been 157 a litre, now it is 170plus.
Those lane assists are bad, people end up relying on things like that and then when they fail, like they do as it's an electrical component to go wrong, it's an accident waiting to happen
Of course the situation differs between countries, but there are plenty wallboxes delivering 11KW, which would allow you to charge your car at least up to half of its capacity, so just charge it every night if needed, or every other day. Same thing goes to finding fast chargers, which should be more expensive than at home. Personally i installed a British wallbox, Zappi, which is linked to our solar panels. As for this generation of electric cars, well depending on the range you really need every day, it’s clear that larger batteries mean heavier cars. So a car with 40KWh batteries will weigh less than a car with a 70KWh battery. And will recharge faster, even if you charge it more often. To sum it up, it seems you bought your car without taking into account all the necessary criteria of your personal use, which means it’s a counter-example for would be ev buyers of what you should not do.
The wallboxes and the cars often aren't the bottleneck, but the mains don't offer 11kW in a lot of places. Not all houses can be connected to it (for example our house is 3x230V and the BMW I3 will only use monophase 7kW because it needs 3x400V+N to charge triphase up to 11kW. The problem is 7kW monophase strains the system at 32 Amps (of a 40Amp connection) so you already need to be careful what other loads to use simultaneously.
Same problem with AC destination chargers that often have 2 outlets on a single connection to the grid but are often capped at 3,5-7kW. That gives an abysmal charging rate if you're only there for a few hours or less.
@@helldogbe4077 Same here, I had to limit my callbox to 7KWh, but I mainly charge the car at night, between 2 and 6, as I get an ultra low tariff then(11 c), and it's enough to fill up the i3's small battery.
@@helldogbe4077 That's just confusing. Any 3 phase house in a 230/240V country can do 22kW or 11kW although that might depend on existing loads. Some cars can only do AC 7kW, some 11kW and fewer still 22kW and most EVSE's are not 3 phase and therefore only capable of doing 7KW. If you have 3 x230V coming in to your house that's the definition of three phase. When combined you have 3 phases 120 deg out of phase with each other and with a neutral = 400 -415V 3 phase. Every house has to have a neutral doesn't it? Where do you live that you have three single phases coming in that are not out of phase with each other?
I watch all your videos but this one particularly hit a nail on the head for me... the cost of electric cars etc, whilst having access to a super-charger may be great, and may only be 4p an hour, you are still paying £63,000 for the car initially... and that's my argument against it at the moment.
I am lucky enough to have a few cars, but my main little run about is a 1.8 petrol 2006 Honda Civic. owned it over 4 years now, paid £800 for it and it has never ever ever let me down. I dont care about it, I dont care about leaving it anywhere, if it gets dinged or dented I dont care because it;s just my cheap daily.
so if I do some quick sums here.... Based on the average UK mileage of 12,000 miles per annum, and at a petrol cost of £1.50 a litre to round it up, that honda averages 45mpg for me.
4.54 litres of fuel per gallon, so one gallon costs £6.81.
12,000 miles divided by 45mpg is 266 gallons of fuel
266 gallons of fuel will cost £1,811.46
which means if the Audi was £63,000 and I take away £1,000 to offset the purchase price of my civic then £62,000 divided by £1,811.46 is 34.22
so I can drive my civic for another 34 YEARS before it's even cost me just the purchase price of that audi alone, not even taking into account the insurance costs and the charging costs of the audi.
so whilst I appreciate electric cars for their speed and technology etc etc, if you simply want a reliable, cheap and no fuss car to get from A to B.... buy a 15 year old civic instead lol
That’s a very long comment and you are bang on so i totally agree, there are cheaper ways of getting around 😂 👍
50kwh superchargers cost way more than 4p an hour and its going to get a lot higher.
If you are driving an £800 16 year old car, I don't think an brand new AUDI E-TRON is targeted at you.
If someone can afford to splash 63k without worrying about finances for a rainy day then they should go for it, there are too many things in life to worry about and a car isnt one of them.
@@bbar182 It is easy to virtue signal and belong to the progressive green crowd when you have deep pockets. At the moment EVs are for rich people, it may take a decade or so for that to change.
In Phoenix, Arizona these don't last very long. It's hot as hell, and the batteries are junk. Love the cheap charger. It's about 120.00 American to charger every month. I will be buying a hybrid next time. That's because "if the grid has power shortages, I have a backup."
I don’t understand why you’d be charging this car at home at only 3.6kW when 7.2kW is a formality with a suitable home charger on a dedicated 30A single phase connection or 11kW on 3-phase once connected (with the updated model now being capable of 22kW 3-phase). Why have a bloody expensive EV and penny pinch by trickle charging it on a 15A GPO?
Evil gt is sensible to sell, EVs are a con and just a gap filler for manufactures to adhere to govt emissions targets. I'll stick with my 99octane refined petrol until hydrogen blows ev away in 2030 😂
@@f32440i I work in the LEV space but still own/drive a Subie Outback XT for affordability/towing/family practicality. However from much personal experience, our work Model 3 Long Range (not even the Performance option) absolutely blows away the the turbo Subie and is a lot more fun to drive on road.
As for a Hydrogen powered FCEV or ICE passenger vehicles, I can’t see it happening on cost grounds. Hydrogen supplied at pump is way to expensive (even at best future predictions) and the vehicles are too energy inefficient … batteries ~85-90%, FC 45-50%, spark ICE 30%. Pity because driven both the previous model Mirai and the current Nexo are they are both capable vehicles although lacking Tesla like performance.
Teslas are not perfect, but the charging network just - works. No cards. No credit/debit cards. No pushing buttons. No screens with unreadable icons in the sun.
You just turn up, plug in, wait 10 -15 seconds while the car has a chat with California to establish its identity and you can wander off for a coffee - or sit in the car and watch TV - until it’s finished. At which point you unplug and drive away. If you haven’t got Tesla free charging your Tesla account debits the linked bank or card account.
The stories I see regarding non-Tesla chargers make me go hot ‘n cold: queuing, non functioning, dropping off etc.
Way to go…..
Ben reminds me of Ashley from Coronation street back in the day. 😂
Working for VAG, my strong advice is to always get a TESLA. Superchargers are the USP.
Damn half 7 in the morning!! You guys are on it
Wakey wakey 😂
I have a 2019 dual motor long range Tesla model S. My home charger takes about 4 hours from 20-90%. At 100% charge it gives me 410 miles of range which translates to about 340 miles of actual driving range. On a long trip at a 150kw Tesla supercharger it takes 10-15 minutes to add 100 miles of range.
Total power 541 PS, Total torque 755 NM
No range problem, A real bullet on wheels.
150 miles on a charge - hah! For those of us in the USA, a 150-mile charge likely will get many of us, at best, halfway back to family (this is me). So I would need to schedule some down time while the car recharged - and, as you mentioned, the infrastructure is sorely wanting.
I love the idea - the torque looks incredible for many EVs, and Musk's Tesla SUV made a convert (sort of) out of petrol-head high priest Jeremy Clarkson. But until the built-in inconvenience is resolved, no. And I do not expect this to be addressed soon, seeing that many states out west and in the northeast are predicting rolling blackouts this summer.
Call me when fuel-cell vehicles become more mainstreamed - I have a lot of distilled water.
You drive 300 miles one way? So you spent most of your day in a car and spend arm and leg on ur gas . Don't over represent, most Americans don't live like you.. dude.
@@rs-dp6pr 15 -25 % of the people living in the US are basically in the middle of no where when it comes to an EV. 5 to 10 percent are actually in the middle of nowhere.... That is 16 to 32 million people, in the middle of nowhere... I have put 100k+ a year on many vehicles.... For years my daily commute was more miles than the Etron will make it on a single charge, 6 days a week. So MOH Hughes is not over representing anything. My family lives about 1900+ miles from me, try that in an EV. My car will do it in 3 to 4 fuel stops if it is full when I leave, and it takes 28 to 36 hours of driving time depending on traffic.. It is far cheaper to drive than fly or take the train, so that is a moot point as well. If you are not from North America you probably don't have a clue how far apart things can be from each other. And 300 miles in a car is about 4-5 hours max on the interstate, not all day....
Better off with a good PHEV like a c350e if you ask me. They are up to 60 mile range now. Can fill that on a nights charge from mains and you still have the petrol engine when you need it. Or for your price range you can get the x5 version with a 3 litre/2ltr depending on your taste.
I think you need a home charger. They charge at 7kwh generally 28 miles range per hour of charge, suitable sufficient for a days drive the next day. I am Tesla 3 driver so spoilt by Tesla charging infrastructure. There is definitely homework needed for you to find the right charging stations 7kwh is the free supermarket ones isn’t it.
Yep, real shame re charging network, wife and I both had EVs for a couple of years, don't genrally need more than a couple of hundred miles a day, charge over night, and have a Tesla for the charging network when needed. Neither of us would go back now. Tax breaks been great (company). Love the drive. Worked brilliant for us. Audi not there yet, but it will come. Sales of EVs having huge growth, best selling cars in the UK for several months last year. Its coming, hope the charging network catches up soon! Good video, cheers.
Great review. I was kinda looking at these as a possible future motor.
The thing that jumps out for me though from this video is that the range loss is serious for a car you've had 4 months - 215 down to 155/160 - and even then you've to be playing with the regenerative braking and focus on how you drive it, rather than just driving it. Then as you say, the charging infrastructure isn't there either yet (same here in Ireland).
I'll stick with my 2012 3.0 TDI A7 another while yet I think!
That simply cannot be correct. I have a five year old Leaf and the range is still as advertised when new. I get 3.5-4 miles per Kw in summer and typically still above 3 in winter. Obviously the range falls a little if you’re doing motorway speeds. That Audi has 70 Kw of battery storage, so it ought to be up above 200 at worst.
I wouldn't let the range comments here put you off. Like with any car the manufacturer will always overstate the range a bit. So that battery hasn't degraded. I also think that the e-tron is just inefficient. I have an ID.3 with pretty much the same size battery and consistently get well over 300 miles on a mixed cycle (VW claims 325) on 100% motorway it drops to about 250-260 and my car is 18 months old.
@@AGWUK Audi E-trons are notoriously inefficient. He loses even more range because he tops it up 100% every time which degrades the batteries faster... I charge my Model Y to 85 or 90% normally, put it on the charger when it drops below 20% Only on road trips I charge it to 100% This is good because it recalibrates the battery management system.
My car lost 6.1% battery capacity during the first 6 months, but since then it has stabelized and is not dropping further. This is normal for Tesla NMLC battery packs.
We have a e-tron S. Here in the nordic countries no problems. Minimum range in the cold about 250km. But hpc everywhere and we have a 11kw charger at home and can charge any time of the day. We also have the 22kw ac charger. It does have a hifh consumption but the 55 and S have an amazing charging curve which make it great even for long distance driving.
What a brilliant review Lee please do more reviews. great work lads
Thanks 🙏
Yes, a joke for most people to own as 1. way too expensive for the average family, and 2. battery tech (if that's even the answer) is not there, 3. the infrastructure is not there to support a majority of drivers with EV's. Politicians need to stop forcing a particular solution by pricing people out of gas/diesel. It's artificial and impractical - it won't work.
Good points with the charging, that car must be pretty inefficient.
I've got an Egolf with a 32KWH battery and I get about 135 miles from that. Don't have the long wait to charge either with it having a small battery
Yeah the etron doesn’t have good efficiency reviews 😞
Think it's time for an E60 M5? Could be more efficient? 😂💨🤌🏻
Yeah, I'm getting the BMW i4 with up to 350 miles, and I will only be using around 70 per day, so 7kw home charging will be fine for us.
2 points. You have one of the least efficient evs out there and are trying to charge it daily from a three pin plug. Not going to work if you do a lot of miles. There are better options, especially from Tesla. Vastly more efficient and a much better infrastructure if you did need to charge away from home. As others have said, if you do a lot of miles then explore 3 phase as an option.
Wow very interesting I didn't realise the costs around different charging points. Excellent review your TCR (Top Car Reviewer) certificate is on the way 👍😂😁
I’ll look out for it 👍😂
His argument is there for everyone who drives more than avarage and cannot get a fast charger at home (anyone without a driveway or garage to install one). It makes a huge difference if you always start with a full (95%) battery at home.
Now I know its an Audi, but the range is really not that great, the base E-tron is somewhere around 220 miles, and it costs more money than a Model 3 fully loaded, which gets 100 more more miles of range, why would one not just buy the Tesla?
Teslas look garbage.
I did the same just handed over the BMW iX for BMW 340i for the same reasons. Definitely will go back to EV. But for the time being its not practical for me especially I can't have home charging station.
Such a fan of the evil gt team. The realest car channel out there. Genuine petrol heads giving the viewers good honest reviews. And I can see the improvements in the channel. This is a great review. Keep it up lads!
Thanks very much bud 🙏🏻
Petrol heads who don't do any work themselves haha. Love the channel
You need to lookup EV MAN re ev vehicles, his comparisons are far more realistic. Plus buying a very heavy EV without a home wall charger in place and a potentially not on an ev electric rate was always going to be on the negative side.
Understand. Infrastructure for sure needs a big push in America as well. I liken it to the transition of 1900 when most average people still got around on horses. The cars were only affordable by the rich and few gas stations or paved roads. But along came Ford and standardization and mass production just 25 years in. Model A and T sold like hotcakes at around $850 buckaroos. The rest is history, people transitioned from horses to cars in less than a generation. Sure there were problems with infrastructure but it caught up fast when enough people bought cars. Byproduct issues as well with oil spills and ground water contamination; and it will be the same with old warn out batteries piling up. Who knows about contamination of nickel, palladium, and cobalt. But the change is coming just like it did in 1900.
The only appeal for me, is being able to charge your car at home without trekking to a petrol station, we live in the countryside and it's out the way to just put fuel in your car, often my hubby brings some home for me in a jerry can 😆
But I'm a petrol head, and always be, they'd have to be the last thing on the earth before I have an electric car 🤣
not the last thing on earth but in 10-15 years you will get one or walk so fewer cars infront of me
I am paying 5.5p per kW for 5 hours overnight on a 7.2kW single phase home charger. Plenty or range for our 62kW Nissan Leaf
A down to earth real life review of owning an ev and the costs and I think people my be surprised how much it costs to charge at times 👍
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If cost is the main factor for you. It isn't for me. However, I charge at 7p / kWh, so don't need to think about how much it's costing me. It works out at about 20% of the cost of our petrol vehicle.
Skip the 11 mins of chat about the car. the reason is at the end, short range and lack of charging.
Personally the choice of having crap brakes so that you charge the battery is the deal breaker.