@@poloo92 go back to other videos. It's a windows mixed reality set, so it's inside out tracking. However with additional hardware it's possible to use the Vive or index controllers
Thanks Tyriel - Bought the G2, as an Oculus CV1 owner who didn't invest into the Pimax/HTC/Vive family of VR devices I think the G2 is probably the closest match and now the controllers have button parity with the Touch it was a no brainer. Looking forward to this a lot!
I pre-ordered the G2 and I have the CV1 currently. Im Glad to Sée this video. Rift S was not Worth to upgrade,. Index is too expensive. I think its a naturel upgrade for many CV1 and vive owners. Price is good, no more screen door, G2 just Makes sense.
The valve index will always be the number 1 pick since it has the best refresh rate and PPI. And the wide FOV with a really good tracking as well.. But the price on the other hand is another subject. I currently own a quest with a link cable and my next upgrade will be the valve index.
Going from a CV1 to a G2, as long as your computer (especially GPU) can handle the G2, you will be blown away, I did go from a CV1 to a low end WMR headset (Lenovo Explorer), then to a Rift-S, then to a Odyssey Plus and now am using a Index. So I wasn't as WOW'ed by the Odyssey Plus and Index due to my gradual resolution upgrades, so the G2 might not impress me as much as someone like yourself coming from a CV1 or OG Vive (both are the same resolution, Vive just has a more pronounced screen door effect). Enjoy your G2 when you get it! :)
@@jackr.749 Would you say I should buy the valve index or the G2? I would love an index since it has better tracking and finger controllers plus the high refresh rate? I don't see spending like 700 euros for the G2 when I just can get the index?
@@tigerleon10 This is only my opinion. Since I've not tried a G2, I can't really comment on how much better the visuals are. As soon as I found out the G2 was going to be Windows Mixed Reality, I lost interest. One of my main reason for getting a Index was for the Lighthouse tracking, it is the best there is at this time. The headset itself is pretty good, the lenses do have a small sweet spot maybe a bit bigger than the OG Vive but once you get in that sweet spot, it's WOW, I love the displays they are using, and with it being a Valve headset, in Steam VR, you not only can change the refresh rates from 80, 90, 120 and 144hz, but you can adjust the brightness of the displays. Also the controllers of the G2 are a improvement over previous WMR controllers but have a long way to go, no capacitive buttons which you can just touch without pressing them (even Oculus Touch controllers have this). On the other hand, the Index controllers are a whole new ball game, granted, it took me a couple of weeks to get use to them but now, they are truly amazing controllers, playing HL Alyx and other VR experiences with them is a joy. Personally, I feel the G2 would be best suited for people who play flight or racing sims, then agreed, this would be a fantastic upgrade since a lot of Simmers never touch the controllers, but for general VR use, I would take the Index over the G2 any day of the week. The biggest problem with the Index, is the long wait to get one once you hit the "order" button, I'm in western Canada and took me 11 weeks and 1 day to get mine. LOL I very much like my Index. :)
MRTV has done this. Check the video with dennis from Gamestar (german gaming website). They nearly compared every headset on the market with the G2. Both would absolutely prefer the G2 because of its clarity. Althoug 8kx has way more pixels the screen just looks blurry like you are wearing glasses with wrong eyesight. And dont ask for the colours and contrasts :-)
Thanks for the comparison! I've only tried VR once, for about an hour, a few years ago with an HTC Vive. I have been waiting since for the tech to evolve, ...so now have the G2 on pre-order. Great to see the comparison between the G2 and the Vive. The G2 with MSFS2020 is going to be awesome.
@@MartinSchmuckVR it struggled super hard in 4K with a 2080Ti. It did like consistently less than 30 fps. There's no way it can run 2x4K, 3x30Hz even if it had a 4080.
@@KToMmi it doesn't have to run 2 times 4k. It's 2k per eye. Both eyes are 4k. And with DLSS you can reduce the resolution and get a picture quality that is close to the real resolution. We'll see. I also assume that a normal flight sim doesn't need 60 fps. It just hase to be smooth.
@@MartinSchmuckVR you are gonna have motion sickness issues at low framerates, which is why every VR device is set to run at 80-90-120 Hz usually (even 60 fps is a rare exception).
Hp reverb has this "I'm looking at a screen" effect more than Vive. I have both and still gaming with Vive instead Reverb (except simulators) for this reason. I cannot handle that grayish bad LCD screen like look that LCD headsets like Reverb has. Ruins the immersion. Resolution is good tho.
@@magma5267 I have Reverb G1. Image quality and resolution wise it's allmost the same (improvements of G2 are mainly other than image quality. Like comfort, better hand tracking and additional features) resolution is the same as G1.
Jussi Valter You do realize the hp reverb g2 and g1 are completely different headsets, you’ve never even tried the G2 u cant really say much about it right now.
Would you be able to do a comparison of the black levels? I know you can't do it with a through the lens video but you could use a solid black image that fills the headset then load a black image into photoshop and adjust it to how it looks in the headsets, would have to keep checking in the headsets to make sure it's as accurate as possible (also have to have your eyes close to the monitor) Then put the black squares side by side and upload to imgur. I know they will be different shades when viewed on different devices but we should be able to see the difference between each one. Using an oled monitor or screen with excellent black levels when editing the images would show the most accurate results.
Any news at all about the supposed "improved" lenses? I don't care about the small delay but in what way will they be better? Could it tweak FOV? Or could it be marketing speak for cheaper to produce?
@@KptnKMan360 Not necessarily in todays world (unfortunately). There are many stories of higher quality "press/review" products or suddenly changing the hardware components to cheaper ones under the hood without informing the customers. My first experience with this was the Samsung Galaxy S2. Friend bought it at release and had the good one with about 10-15% faster Exynos 4210 (version GT-I9100). I bought it a few months later and got the worse one with the Texas Instruments OMAP4430 (version GT-I9100G). You really had to focus on the slight difference at the side of the packaging (cause on the front both our packages were the same, just stating it's the S II). With ongoing time this became even worse and sometimes you can't even distinguish different versions of the same model. TVs having different panels, smartphones different processors, GPUs different memory modules/brands, ...
Thank you so much for making a video like this i have the gen 1 original rift and i just wanted to see if it was worth upgrading and yes absoulety it is i will defiently be getting a g2
how is convergence? I noticed at 1:30 the image appears blurred in the peripheral vision which is the main issue I have with my current index. Is that a byproduct of taking a photo into the lens or does the same blur appear when inside the headset?
This is great as I have a CV1 and have been using it for VR racing sims for years now. Its hard to get comparison with the original headsets as they are always against newer headsets. I think many people are in the same boat as there are still quite a large amount of the first gen headsets in use.
what i get from this, is that the G2 is the first gen of its kind, as the vive was the first gen of vr. Meaning, that the G2 is the first gen of headsets where you can barely tell its a screen, while the vive was merely an introduction to vr to show its capabilities.
I think MRTV said that if he really focused hard to find pixels they were definitely there, but in normal gameplay they aren't that noticeable. HP did say one of their main goals is ensuring there is no real noticeable screen door effect.
The Vive is still incredible, and oddly enough, at times one of the sharpest displays despite not having visual clarity. The way it displays edges just pops, and it's hard to explain unless you experience it first hand.
Agreed, I had a Vive first, then took a chance on a Rift CV1 when they had that "Summer of Rift" sale, I couldn't believe the difference even though they are the same resolution, a couple months later, I sold the Vive. :)
Never had an issue with my Vive apart from the text in ED was a bit awkward to read unless you looked directly at it. Mine never looked as pixelated as in this video, still looked great with Alyx, sold a couple of months ago after I preordered the G2.
@@DelDredd For myself, the Vive took a little getting use to, after a while you don't see the SDE unless you look for it, but that's the same for any headset, even the Index has SDE if you really look for it in a bright scene. Also agree, reading text with the Vive was a challenge LOL.
Idea for a new lenses video: Make a video comparing headsets, ALL with the same resolution using SS. So let all headsets render 2200*2200 pixels or something and then compare.
Can you do a through the lens of the reverb g2 versus the rift s where the rift s has super sampling set as close to the g2s resolution as possible. I’m also interested in the frame rates. Would the g2 in its native resolution run faster than a rift s with super sampling on?
I think there are a LOT of people jumping ship from CV-1 to G2 and i'm glad to be one of them, now i just have to try and get a 3080 and i'm all set lol
Yep we're in the same boat. CV1 to G2. First I'll try it with the 1080ti. If needed also a GPU upgrade to 3080 (also have to swap PSU then....the experts say 500W is not enough). ANd now wait until October mid or end?
@@BrainsBush currently rtx 2060 and it's listed on ebay already lol. I'd like to get a 3080 but I'm not holding my breath on being able to get one on launch day. And being rated at 320w they're saying 750w psu minimum for the 3080 and 3090, 650 for the 3070
HP reverb is an awesome HMD. Unfortunately, I needed wireless and use basestations for full body tracking anyway. So I went VIve to Vive Pro for an upgrade.
Okay i own an original HTC vive and have only ever tried that for vr. Does the reverb make it like way better? Because the screen door effect is almost unbearable with the vive.
As a user of the original htc vive, I think now is the wrong time to upgrade. I will wait for the next gen Index. When do you estimate an index 2 will be released? Summer 2021 perhaps?
Tyriel : how long the Reverb V2 battery lasts? I'm using at the moment an Oculus Go to watch movies and 3d movies and, apart from the screen door effect , the problem is the battery that lasts around 1.30h maximum
It doesn't have a built in battery, because it's not standalone like the Go. It needs to be connected to a computer to work (and a pretty beefy one to boot). If you were looking for an improvement that's still standalone you would probably be best waiting for september 16, when facebook are likely going to announce their quest successor.
I know this is an old vid but it still turned out really helpful to me, so thanks for it! I've considered picking up a used Vive but after seeing how noticeable the "screen door" effect is compared to a modern headset I think that I'll just save a bit more and buy something like the G2 or DPVR E4.
Rift owner here. Original Rift still has, IMO, the best optics - the god rays are minimal and not bothersome, and the text is clear edge to edge, which is critical for reading in sims without moving your head. The Reverb looks terrible on the edges... am I missing something about the way this is shot that would cause it, but not be there IRL?
For a large part it seems like the camera didn't catch the right focus. CV1 IMO have more SDE then shown on the video, most of the Rift takes seems more blurry that it would be irl
I'm really linking your videos. However, when you're comparing lenses could you try to replicate everything when showing the SteamVR Dashboard. Like just highlight the same Icon on all headsets when taking a screenshot, so it's the most accurate representation for the comparison :)
Im thinking about buying the Reverb G2 V2. I will mainly play games like beat saber maybe some skyrim/five night at freddys help wanted, is this worth it or should i just save and get the index?
Damn I can't wait on my g2 to arrive hopefully next month, preordered it and will be upgrading from a rift. This just shows how much better it is going to be, the reverb g2 gets rid of the, for me, most annoying things: Screen door effect and the lens glare of bright things on a dark background. And damn screen door effect on the vive is bad, never used that one.
Dude i was gonna wait on the new oculus but screw that HP for the win. Though i would have loved a better FOV, but i figured as tech becomes more available it will come soon. I'm so glad i bought most of my games on steam.
i don't see the point in that myself but OK. You've got half the resolution on the Index + SDE, no matter how much supersampling you add you can't change that. I think G2 at half resolution likely looks better than Index at full resolution due to the pixel fill and essentially zero SDE.
@@stevetb7777 the point is just that every body run games with the highest supersanpling their pc can handle, because it looks better. Games looks better with super sampling, this is a fact. Now I know the G2 will still look better, but how much? Do it worth the compromise. I would like to see that I am curious, but I still choose to buy an Index instead, so it does not really matter
@@alexanabolic5099 True fact, but I don't supersample at the expense of noticeable fps loss. I know what the Index looks like with supersampling, it's better and like I said can't make up for the resolution / SDE. Using my Index I'm left wanting no SDE and greater res / clarity and even bigger FOV. Using the Reverb G2, I'll just be wanting bigger FOV. =D You'll never know what it really looks like though without trying them for yourself. The through the lens stuff serves as a very rough idea.
@@alexanabolic5099 Index renders at 2016x2240 at 100%, Reverb G2 renders at ~2196x2152 at 100% (source: ruclips.net/video/vNE7g_0M1jk/видео.html). Taking into account slightly lower base render resolution and lack of WMR to SteamVR overhead you should be able to hit around 120% SS on the Index for around the same performance cost.
Are any VR headsets looking to solve the vergence & accomidation problem? Without at least an attempt at a solution to this problem, I think VR is a non-starter for me - regardless of resolution or FOV. I bought a VR headset just to see what it was all about - this was about a year ago. But I will wait for V&A issue to be addressed before going all in VR.
this is great! All I do is simracing andI have had the Rift CV1 since preorder and have now preordered the Reverb G2. I have been waiting for someone to do a comparison like this so thank you so much Tyriel!
@@lamsmiley1944 I feel the same way but I think at this point in tech this headset is already going to be on the very limit of GPU power. Will probably be at least 3+ more years before we are getting usable higher resolution.
I already got my G2 preordered... I was still questioning if it was worth it and this video sealed the deal. I'm upgrading from the original Rift, so this is going to be amazing! Thanks for the great video!
Wow looks like day and night difference compared to the CV1! I never really got into VR as much since I hated the resolution and screen door effect on my CV1 and it ended up just collecting dust. Yes it was immersive and all but I just found playing on my ultrawide to be a much more satisfying experience. This video convinced me to upgrade and I'm really looking forward to my G2. Thanks for taking the time to make this vid and comparing it with the CV1 - too many comparison videos these days just do comparisons between all the newer models.
It will be interesting to see your take on the updated Lenses that HP have been saying is the reason for the delay of the G2, you can give us an unbiased opinion compared to the pre-release that you currently have.
I really hope HP and valve get rid of the screen bulge distortion that was on the G1 and you said is still there a bit on your G2 sample - that was a deal breaker for me on the G1
So both Vive and Rift were just a little better than 1080p headsets. We are at just above 1440p headsets now and the Reverbs are the first at 2160p. I am not ready for 4k but just above 1440p with higher refresh rate is pretty good for at least until the 40xx cards come out. If they do make some slightly under 4K with a bigger FOV than the Index and OLED I would probably get it. Something like 1900x1900 each eye would be perfect for what we have out in terms of processors and graphic cards now unless more people are getting 3070 and above and have a 4.5Ghz or higher processor.
Having moved from a 1440p headset to the revised Reverb G1, I can safely say, that, if your eyes are reasonable, 1440p is awful compared, in terms of detail, clarity and especially SDE. Going back to it, is just not usable, once you've see the clean, detailed view of VR at 2160. And that's with just a GTX 1080 and i7 4790K, happily running practically everything at 100% SS. Of course, we still could do with more resolution, especially for desktop work, and to get rid of pixel alaising and the last slight graininess left of the displays in VR. OLED would also be a nice boost, you can see how much richer the colours and brightness are in the above, with the Vive's. It'll be interesting to see the non-RTX benchmark performance of the 3000 series, to get an idea of how high res can go for VR games.
And just think, the lenses on the G2 in this video aren't the ones we're getting. They've been upgraded so all these pre-release reviews of the G2 don't even show all it's awesomeness.
Im not confident my 2080ti will push this resolution considering a lot of games dont run acceptably without asw on my cv1. Are any testers talking about framerates?
Hi Tyriel. I think you should have went with the Rift-S instead of a CV1 for a evolutionary comparison. Just to show how things have come along in 3 years, the Vive was well known for it's bad SDE, then the Rift-S with it's smaller upgrade in resolution and even maybe a Vive Pro, or Odyssey or Index and then the G2. All of which are evolutions in VR resolutions. Another great through the lens video (if you didn't already make it) would be Vive Pro vs Odyssey Plus vs Valve Index, all the same resolution but so very different. Thank you for all you do, I love these through the lens videos. :)
I know this was only made for a bit of fun but it's actually super helpful 😃 HTC vive is the last headset I tried so it's my only point of reference. I thought at the time "it's good but I'm gonna wait a few years" ... Well, here I am! Pleased I waited the G2 looks fantastic!
I think it would be awesome if you do comparison of the reverb g2 at different supersampling in steam vr keeping all other settings constant, 50% 75% and native. Mrtv did this too and gives a good insight but your comparisons are very professionally done, thanks for the awesome work.
I'd love to see a comparison between Rift, Rift S, and Quest 2 next to one another, as a way to show how resolution and clarity have changed through the generations.
So I was sitting here, at my desk, watching random YT videos and this popped up. After watching it I disconnected my OG Rift and hit it away. I can't look at it anymore.
Its always a bit tricky, because cameras focus better on more screen door effect. Due to this some People might say, the vive os "sharper" than others but this isnt the case.
To this date, I have been happily using an original HTC Vive + Valve index controllers. Thanks for this video! The difference in display is striking, just pre-ordered a Reverb G2, and gathered all the info to flash my Steam controller dongles to use Valve index controllers instead of the Reverb G2 controllers (the lack of finger tracking being the only big downside of the G2 IMO). Can't wait :-)
Seriously thinking of giving VR another try! my previous VR headset was a PSVR which was horrendously bad. With GTX 3090 already here and combo with HP G2? finally FINALLY after many years of perfecting VR technology can we say that the STANDARD is finally here. HP G2 ur the new standard. Any other VR headset creator could only be better or just be OUT. So excited with VR as a whole~!
Yes I have seen your standard video comparisons over and over and they tell me some things on how much better the HP Reverb G2 is. But until I can put on the HP G2 VR headset for myself and and see what Night viewing BLACK's are in my SIM racing games, I will never be sure that this HP G2 is any better with BLACK's than my Oculus Rift S. Right now, with the Rift S, SIM night racing is really noticeable and the greys really stand out moving around the tracks, doesn't feel natural. Would the HP Reverb G2 be any better, I dont know?????? Until a fellow SIM racer buys the HP G2 and tries the night time SIM racing and says yes it is much better, I guess I will stick with my Rift S. Your black tests you have doesnt seem to prove to me that the BLACK's are any better. Anyway, thanks for the video
I feel like the OG Vive had the best colours and contrast across all the samples in this video. Also the worst SDE by far as you'd expect but still really impressed.
Can't wait to see the G2 with MSFS 2020 (FS20). The fact that it's going to be initial focus and ONLY vr headset to work with it is one thing, but a vr headset to where you actually read your gauges is going to finally give me a reason to find and marry some rich chic so I allow her to pay my bills while I enjoy some round the clock VR simming (:
They emailed me about my preorder, telling me it will take until mid October now, but the reason given was another iteration on the lenses. Will you later to a comparison between the pre-production and the retail model? Would be interesting to see whether they improved it even further!
Nice vid! I am interested in getting a G2 for my 18th birthday next year, but if it's 4k for each eye, I am curious how well my RX 580 will run it! Also, I am curious, in Elite: Dangerous, was the interface brightness settings set to the same level in all pics? If so, what level was it set at? Thanks!
Awesome , perfect timing, I'm upgrading from the OG Vive to the G2, it was enough of a difference to call it 2.0. That all said the fun and immersion of VR is so good you see past the screen door. But for racing or combat flying you wish for better and it has arrived !!
I need glasses :P
at 3.26 it says Rift S, Typo! sry! and Yep, Rift and Vive were 1080 by 1200 O.O my brain blipped
RIP
Be careful, Facebook is watching :P
I know you said this was for fun, but this is super informative. Awesome idea man.
Will be interesting to compare your prototype G2, with the production G2's and their "Improved" lenses. ;0)
It happens when you work this hard to bring us this stuff, thank you!
I would love to see a through the lenses comparison for watching movies, bigscreen and other multimedia apps.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
You forgot to include 2D games.
@@adhominem6867 my bad. multimedia and 2D games.
What kind of movies ;-)
@@bigbadboogie6842 haha, any kind of multimedia.
Yes! Thanks for making this video, I'm still rocking the OG Vive and have preordered the G2, I really can't wait to experience it myself! :D
Does it works with the vive base station or what ? Can you use the index controllers too ?
same, but minus the part about pre-ordering the g2 lmao. still stuck with this screen door of a headset
@@poloo92 go back to other videos. It's a windows mixed reality set, so it's inside out tracking. However with additional hardware it's possible to use the Vive or index controllers
Yup ....me too, rocking the OG Vive, and have the G2 on order !!
@@diamond4829 Oka , thanks
Thanks Tyriel - Bought the G2, as an Oculus CV1 owner who didn't invest into the Pimax/HTC/Vive family of VR devices I think the G2 is probably the closest match and now the controllers have button parity with the Touch it was a no brainer. Looking forward to this a lot!
I pre-ordered the G2 and I have the CV1 currently. Im Glad to Sée this video. Rift S was not Worth to upgrade,. Index is too expensive. I think its a naturel upgrade for many CV1 and vive owners. Price is good, no more screen door, G2 just Makes sense.
The valve index will always be the number 1 pick since it has the best refresh rate and PPI. And the wide FOV with a really good tracking as well.. But the price on the other hand is another subject. I currently own a quest with a link cable and my next upgrade will be the valve index.
Going from a CV1 to a G2, as long as your computer (especially GPU) can handle the G2, you will be blown away, I did go from a CV1 to a low end WMR headset (Lenovo Explorer), then to a Rift-S, then to a Odyssey Plus and now am using a Index. So I wasn't as WOW'ed by the Odyssey Plus and Index due to my gradual resolution upgrades, so the G2 might not impress me as much as someone like yourself coming from a CV1 or OG Vive (both are the same resolution, Vive just has a more pronounced screen door effect). Enjoy your G2 when you get it! :)
@@jackr.749 Would you say I should buy the valve index or the G2? I would love an index since it has better tracking and finger controllers plus the high refresh rate? I don't see spending like 700 euros for the G2 when I just can get the index?
The point is... spending 700 euros or how much it costs I'm just better off spending 1000 euros on a beastly VR headset right?
@@tigerleon10 This is only my opinion. Since I've not tried a G2, I can't really comment on how much better the visuals are. As soon as I found out the G2 was going to be Windows Mixed Reality, I lost interest. One of my main reason for getting a Index was for the Lighthouse tracking, it is the best there is at this time. The headset itself is pretty good, the lenses do have a small sweet spot maybe a bit bigger than the OG Vive but once you get in that sweet spot, it's WOW, I love the displays they are using, and with it being a Valve headset, in Steam VR, you not only can change the refresh rates from 80, 90, 120 and 144hz, but you can adjust the brightness of the displays. Also the controllers of the G2 are a improvement over previous WMR controllers but have a long way to go, no capacitive buttons which you can just touch without pressing them (even Oculus Touch controllers have this). On the other hand, the Index controllers are a whole new ball game, granted, it took me a couple of weeks to get use to them but now, they are truly amazing controllers, playing HL Alyx and other VR experiences with them is a joy.
Personally, I feel the G2 would be best suited for people who play flight or racing sims, then agreed, this would be a fantastic upgrade since a lot of Simmers never touch the controllers, but for general VR use, I would take the Index over the G2 any day of the week. The biggest problem with the Index, is the long wait to get one once you hit the "order" button, I'm in western Canada and took me 11 weeks and 1 day to get mine. LOL
I very much like my Index. :)
Hello. do you do a comparison between pimax 8kx and hp g2?
Yes pleaseeeee
MRTV has done this. Check the video with dennis from Gamestar (german gaming website). They nearly compared every headset on the market with the G2.
Both would absolutely prefer the G2 because of its clarity. Althoug 8kx has way more pixels the screen just looks blurry like you are wearing glasses with wrong eyesight. And dont ask for the colours and contrasts :-)
@@andia6258 thank you !!
The only problem you face with the G2 preorder: Staying patient
Thanks for the comparison! I've only tried VR once, for about an hour, a few years ago with an HTC Vive. I have been waiting since for the tech to evolve, ...so now have the G2 on pre-order. Great to see the comparison between the G2 and the Vive. The G2 with MSFS2020 is going to be awesome.
Don't wanna burst your bubble but I don't think you're ever gonna make MSFS run on a G2 😂
@@KToMmi why not? With the new Geforce 3080 and DLSS 2.1 it sould work quite good
@@MartinSchmuckVR it struggled super hard in 4K with a 2080Ti. It did like consistently less than 30 fps. There's no way it can run 2x4K, 3x30Hz even if it had a 4080.
@@KToMmi it doesn't have to run 2 times 4k. It's 2k per eye. Both eyes are 4k. And with DLSS you can reduce the resolution and get a picture quality that is close to the real resolution. We'll see. I also assume that a normal flight sim doesn't need 60 fps. It just hase to be smooth.
@@MartinSchmuckVR you are gonna have motion sickness issues at low framerates, which is why every VR device is set to run at 80-90-120 Hz usually (even 60 fps is a rare exception).
HTC Vive: Cool but i can tell that im looking at a screen
Oculus Rift: Cool but i can tell im in a game
HP Reverb G2: is this a lucid dream?
Lucid dreaming is amazing
Hp reverb has this "I'm looking at a screen" effect more than Vive. I have both and still gaming with Vive instead Reverb (except simulators) for this reason. I cannot handle that grayish bad LCD screen like look that LCD headsets like Reverb has. Ruins the immersion. Resolution is good tho.
Jussi Valter How do u have the reverb g2?
@@magma5267 I have Reverb G1. Image quality and resolution wise it's allmost the same (improvements of G2 are mainly other than image quality. Like comfort, better hand tracking and additional features) resolution is the same as G1.
Jussi Valter You do realize the hp reverb g2 and g1 are completely different headsets, you’ve never even tried the G2 u cant really say much about it right now.
Any chance of doing a through the lens video for the quest 2?
You should also compare the G2 to the Pimax headsets and the Rift S to see how the quality holds up against those headsets
Has already been done.
@@DelDredd Not with Pimax.
Would you be able to do a comparison of the black levels? I know you can't do it with a through the lens video but you could use a solid black image that fills the headset then load a black image into photoshop and adjust it to how it looks in the headsets, would have to keep checking in the headsets to make sure it's as accurate as possible (also have to have your eyes close to the monitor) Then put the black squares side by side and upload to imgur. I know they will be different shades when viewed on different devices but we should be able to see the difference between each one. Using an oled monitor or screen with excellent black levels when editing the images would show the most accurate results.
Any news at all about the supposed "improved" lenses? I don't care about the small delay but in what way will they be better? Could it tweak FOV? Or could it be marketing speak for cheaper to produce?
IMO it'll be a good thing. If you look at MRTV's video you can see pretty much what it's gonna be
MRTV said he doesn't have the new lenses either.
@@KptnKMan360 Well yeah he doesn't have them obviously but he accurately guessed what upgrades they were doing to the lenses
@@arrulli7878 guessing is not how lenses work, bud. You can't guess that, but we can "assume" it's better.
@@KptnKMan360 Not necessarily in todays world (unfortunately). There are many stories of higher quality "press/review" products or suddenly changing the hardware components to cheaper ones under the hood without informing the customers.
My first experience with this was the Samsung Galaxy S2. Friend bought it at release and had the good one with about 10-15% faster Exynos 4210 (version GT-I9100). I bought it a few months later and got the worse one with the Texas Instruments OMAP4430 (version GT-I9100G).
You really had to focus on the slight difference at the side of the packaging (cause on the front both our packages were the same, just stating it's the S II). With ongoing time this became even worse and sometimes you can't even distinguish different versions of the same model. TVs having different panels, smartphones different processors, GPUs different memory modules/brands, ...
Thank you so much for making a video like this i have the gen 1 original rift and i just wanted to see if it was worth upgrading and yes absoulety it is i will defiently be getting a g2
Is it possible that you enable automatic subtitle ? My english level isn't good enough to understand you orally.
They work fine for me, but it might be dependent on your country (I'm in the US). What country are you in? I can check it with the VPN.
@@sundaynightdrunk France, but it's ok the subtitle has been activated. Thanks anyway !
i had a cv1 awesone headset for the time, but i always wondered what was causing the diagonal lines if the pixels or the lenses !
how is convergence? I noticed at 1:30 the image appears blurred in the peripheral vision which is the main issue I have with my current index. Is that a byproduct of taking a photo into the lens or does the same blur appear when inside the headset?
If I get G2 can I use my Oculus Touch controllers?
This is great as I have a CV1 and have been using it for VR racing sims for years now. Its hard to get comparison with the original headsets as they are always against newer headsets. I think many people are in the same boat as there are still quite a large amount of the first gen headsets in use.
when will you do a rift s vs g1 vs g2 ?
and index vs g1 vs g2 ?
and now Quest 2 vs g2 vs index
what i get from this, is that the G2 is the first gen of its kind, as the vive was the first gen of vr. Meaning, that the G2 is the first gen of headsets where you can barely tell its a screen, while the vive was merely an introduction to vr to show its capabilities.
The cosmos was there but failed on the tracking
Can you see the Reverb’s pixels? I preordered one because I got easily un immersed with my rift s’ display.
I think MRTV said that if he really focused hard to find pixels they were definitely there, but in normal gameplay they aren't that noticeable. HP did say one of their main goals is ensuring there is no real noticeable screen door effect.
The Vive is still incredible, and oddly enough, at times one of the sharpest displays despite not having visual clarity. The way it displays edges just pops, and it's hard to explain unless you experience it first hand.
the g2 is better tho
do a through the lens for quest 1 and 2
This is exceptionally helpful to people that are looking to upgrade from older generation headsets and wondering if the upgrade will be worth it.
Thanks for listening to your audience! I'm a bit surprised the Rift is as close as it is. The Vive is just horrendous though.
Agreed, I had a Vive first, then took a chance on a Rift CV1 when they had that "Summer of Rift" sale, I couldn't believe the difference even though they are the same resolution, a couple months later, I sold the Vive. :)
Never had an issue with my Vive apart from the text in ED was a bit awkward to read unless you looked directly at it.
Mine never looked as pixelated as in this video, still looked great with Alyx, sold a couple of months ago after I preordered the G2.
@@DelDredd For myself, the Vive took a little getting use to, after a while you don't see the SDE unless you look for it, but that's the same for any headset, even the Index has SDE if you really look for it in a bright scene. Also agree, reading text with the Vive was a challenge LOL.
Idea for a new lenses video: Make a video comparing headsets, ALL with the same resolution using SS. So let all headsets render 2200*2200 pixels or something and then compare.
antuanos this
Good idea.
What about the vive pro and the rift s!!!? Compare those two to the Reverb please!!!!
yeah thats what I also wanted to see. HP G2 vs Index vs Vive Pro vs Rift S
@@vemelon I mean the rift s is inferior to both the index and Reverb g2 but I just wanted to see that!
Check the through the lenses before this one :)
@@Tyrielwood I am sure people do not read or even look at titles before asking for stuff.
Is this a comparison were each headset has the best possible settings? So with the Rift super sampling on etc...
Can you do a through the lens of the reverb g2 versus the rift s where the rift s has super sampling set as close to the g2s resolution as possible. I’m also interested in the frame rates. Would the g2 in its native resolution run faster than a rift s with super sampling on?
I think there are a LOT of people jumping ship from CV-1 to G2 and i'm glad to be one of them, now i just have to try and get a 3080 and i'm all set lol
Yep we're in the same boat. CV1 to G2. First I'll try it with the 1080ti. If needed also a GPU upgrade to 3080 (also have to swap PSU then....the experts say 500W is not enough). ANd now wait until October mid or end?
@@BrainsBush currently rtx 2060 and it's listed on ebay already lol. I'd like to get a 3080 but I'm not holding my breath on being able to get one on launch day. And being rated at 320w they're saying 750w psu minimum for the 3080 and 3090, 650 for the 3070
It would be nice to know your computer specs that you used to get this comparison. Thanks
this may sound weird, but I think i want to keep my index for full body / standup games and the G2 for sitdown sim games like Squadrons.
Any chance to get a Vive Pro comparison?
How do the F.O.V. compare on the three? I have a Vive. I'm very curious about the G2 or the Index. Thanks.
How do you record the through the lens videos, i want to do it for my channel on games you don't test
HP reverb is an awesome HMD. Unfortunately, I needed wireless and use basestations for full body tracking anyway. So I went VIve to Vive Pro for an upgrade.
Okay i own an original HTC vive and have only ever tried that for vr. Does the reverb make it like way better? Because the screen door effect is almost unbearable with the vive.
I think they said they are going to change the lenses to the production model recently.
As a user of the original htc vive, I think now is the wrong time to upgrade. I will wait for the next gen Index. When do you estimate an index 2 will be released? Summer 2021 perhaps?
Tyriel : how long the Reverb V2 battery lasts? I'm using at the moment an Oculus Go to watch movies and 3d movies and, apart from the screen door effect , the problem is the battery that lasts around 1.30h maximum
It doesn't have a built in battery, because it's not standalone like the Go. It needs to be connected to a computer to work (and a pretty beefy one to boot). If you were looking for an improvement that's still standalone you would probably be best waiting for september 16, when facebook are likely going to announce their quest successor.
Quest 2 vs Rift vs Quest 1 vs Reverb pls
Hey Tyriel you've had a Final 8k Vision+ since April right? why no through the lense with the G2. Seems like it would be a fair comparison
I know this is an old vid but it still turned out really helpful to me, so thanks for it! I've considered picking up a used Vive but after seeing how noticeable the "screen door" effect is compared to a modern headset I think that I'll just save a bit more and buy something like the G2 or DPVR E4.
Rift owner here. Original Rift still has, IMO, the best optics - the god rays are minimal and not bothersome, and the text is clear edge to edge, which is critical for reading in sims without moving your head. The Reverb looks terrible on the edges... am I missing something about the way this is shot that would cause it, but not be there IRL?
I was surprised to see that the SDE was worse on the Vive though it has a higher resolution than the rift
Is it? Lens tech always better on Rift, only hmd back then i could read text in
Art Sin I feel like the reverb could have good text with crappy lenses
it doesn't they both have the same res.
@@soogepoola4327 Vive had a bigger fov but the same res, so the vive is a bit more stretched, making the SDE bigger
For a large part it seems like the camera didn't catch the right focus. CV1 IMO have more SDE then shown on the video, most of the Rift takes seems more blurry that it would be irl
I'm really linking your videos. However, when you're comparing lenses could you try to replicate everything when showing the SteamVR Dashboard. Like just highlight the same Icon on all headsets when taking a screenshot, so it's the most accurate representation for the comparison :)
quest2 vs reverb G2 ?
Im thinking about buying the Reverb G2 V2. I will mainly play games like beat saber maybe some skyrim/five night at freddys help wanted, is this worth it or should i just save and get the index?
If ur gonna upgrade from the vive to any new headset you will notice a huge night and day differende
Damn I can't wait on my g2 to arrive hopefully next month, preordered it and will be upgrading from a rift. This just shows how much better it is going to be, the reverb g2 gets rid of the, for me, most annoying things: Screen door effect and the lens glare of bright things on a dark background. And damn screen door effect on the vive is bad, never used that one.
Dude i was gonna wait on the new oculus but screw that HP for the win. Though i would have loved a better FOV, but i figured as tech becomes more available it will come soon. I'm so glad i bought most of my games on steam.
Still waiting to see Index supersanpled at G2 resolution vs G2 no supersanpling
i don't see the point in that myself but OK. You've got half the resolution on the Index + SDE, no matter how much supersampling you add you can't change that. I think G2 at half resolution likely looks better than Index at full resolution due to the pixel fill and essentially zero SDE.
@@stevetb7777 the point is just that every body run games with the highest supersanpling their pc can handle, because it looks better. Games looks better with super sampling, this is a fact. Now I know the G2 will still look better, but how much? Do it worth the compromise. I would like to see that I am curious, but I still choose to buy an Index instead, so it does not really matter
@@alexanabolic5099 True fact, but I don't supersample at the expense of noticeable fps loss. I know what the Index looks like with supersampling, it's better and like I said can't make up for the resolution / SDE. Using my Index I'm left wanting no SDE and greater res / clarity and even bigger FOV. Using the Reverb G2, I'll just be wanting bigger FOV. =D
You'll never know what it really looks like though without trying them for yourself. The through the lens stuff serves as a very rough idea.
@@alexanabolic5099 Index renders at 2016x2240 at 100%, Reverb G2 renders at ~2196x2152 at 100% (source: ruclips.net/video/vNE7g_0M1jk/видео.html). Taking into account slightly lower base render resolution and lack of WMR to SteamVR overhead you should be able to hit around 120% SS on the Index for around the same performance cost.
@@magic8617486174 it would be nice to have through the lens of that to see.
Also is it possible to have body tracking with HP Reverb G2?
The wonders of having an astigmatism, I likely could not tell the difference between the G2 and a DK2.
Are any VR headsets looking to solve the vergence & accomidation problem? Without at least an attempt at a solution to this problem, I think VR is a non-starter for me - regardless of resolution or FOV. I bought a VR headset just to see what it was all about - this was about a year ago. But I will wait for V&A issue to be addressed before going all in VR.
What is the vergence & accomidation problem, what do you actually mean.
Not that I really needed to see this, but I enjoy your video's and you are the king of through the lenses. So Thumbs UP Ty, good work.
G2 vs Quest 2 over Oculus Link?
This is gonna be one hell of an upgrade from my original Vive
this is great! All I do is simracing andI have had the Rift CV1 since preorder and have now preordered the Reverb G2. I have been waiting for someone to do a comparison like this so thank you so much Tyriel!
I have a rift too, I'm thinking of upgrading. My issue is I'm extremely critical and even looking at the G2 I want more pixels.
@@lamsmiley1944 I feel the same way but I think at this point in tech this headset is already going to be on the very limit of GPU power. Will probably be at least 3+ more years before we are getting usable higher resolution.
Always enjoy these. Great work.
good. now i can finally read text in games with my new hp reverb g2
I already got my G2 preordered... I was still questioning if it was worth it and this video sealed the deal. I'm upgrading from the original Rift, so this is going to be amazing! Thanks for the great video!
The OG vive right? because you def. get better res out of pro and cosmos elite.
I just got a reverb g2 to replace my vive from 2017. It's crazy how much better it looks and it's cheaper than the vive ever was
Yep! That's quite a jump there!! Enjoy the new headset!!
The elite dangerous example is so crazy. The text just pops on the g2
Wow looks like day and night difference compared to the CV1! I never really got into VR as much since I hated the resolution and screen door effect on my CV1 and it ended up just collecting dust. Yes it was immersive and all but I just found playing on my ultrawide to be a much more satisfying experience. This video convinced me to upgrade and I'm really looking forward to my G2. Thanks for taking the time to make this vid and comparing it with the CV1 - too many comparison videos these days just do comparisons between all the newer models.
Seems like a worthy upgrade to me, albeit I think that some Rift images are more blurry that they would be irl, while focus is correctly set on Vive
Tyriel can you compare Rift S with supersampling? ty
It will be interesting to see your take on the updated Lenses that HP have been saying is the reason for the delay of the G2, you can give us an unbiased opinion compared to the pre-release that you currently have.
as soon as I'm able to get my hands on it I'll let you know! :)
The Vive still holds up today with it's rugged and reliable design.
*also that ****ing brightness*
Why doesn't anyone compare the reverb v2 vs reverb g2 ?
I really hope HP and valve get rid of the screen bulge distortion that was on the G1 and you said is still there a bit on your G2 sample - that was a deal breaker for me on the G1
So both Vive and Rift were just a little better than 1080p headsets. We are at just above 1440p headsets now and the Reverbs are the first at 2160p. I am not ready for 4k but just above 1440p with higher refresh rate is pretty good for at least until the 40xx cards come out. If they do make some slightly under 4K with a bigger FOV than the Index and OLED I would probably get it. Something like 1900x1900 each eye would be perfect for what we have out in terms of processors and graphic cards now unless more people are getting 3070 and above and have a 4.5Ghz or higher processor.
Having moved from a 1440p headset to the revised Reverb G1, I can safely say, that, if your eyes are reasonable, 1440p is awful compared, in terms of detail, clarity and especially SDE. Going back to it, is just not usable, once you've see the clean, detailed view of VR at 2160. And that's with just a GTX 1080 and i7 4790K, happily running practically everything at 100% SS.
Of course, we still could do with more resolution, especially for desktop work, and to get rid of pixel alaising and the last slight graininess left of the displays in VR. OLED would also be a nice boost, you can see how much richer the colours and brightness are in the above, with the Vive's. It'll be interesting to see the non-RTX benchmark performance of the 3000 series, to get an idea of how high res can go for VR games.
What are your specs
And just think, the lenses on the G2 in this video aren't the ones we're getting. They've been upgraded so all these pre-release reviews of the G2 don't even show all it's awesomeness.
Im not confident my 2080ti will push this resolution considering a lot of games dont run acceptably without asw on my cv1. Are any testers talking about framerates?
Hey guys. I have HTC Vive, but im thibking in upgrading them. So, what is better HTC Vive Pro or go to G2? Please explain if you guys know.
Hi Tyriel. I think you should have went with the Rift-S instead of a CV1 for a evolutionary comparison. Just to show how things have come along in 3 years, the Vive was well known for it's bad SDE, then the Rift-S with it's smaller upgrade in resolution and even maybe a Vive Pro, or Odyssey or Index and then the G2. All of which are evolutions in VR resolutions. Another great through the lens video (if you didn't already make it) would be Vive Pro vs Odyssey Plus vs Valve Index, all the same resolution but so very different. Thank you for all you do, I love these through the lens videos. :)
Been done already, look at other videos.
I was just wondering if there was a video like this. Still have the original rift and debated upgrading finally. Looking good.
I know this was only made for a bit of fun but it's actually super helpful 😃 HTC vive is the last headset I tried so it's my only point of reference. I thought at the time "it's good but I'm gonna wait a few years" ... Well, here I am! Pleased I waited the G2 looks fantastic!
I think I can deal with the CV1 for a while longer, not a big enough jump for me.
I think it would be awesome if you do comparison of the reverb g2 at different supersampling in steam vr keeping all other settings constant, 50% 75% and native. Mrtv did this too and gives a good insight but your comparisons are very professionally done, thanks for the awesome work.
I'd love to see a comparison between Rift, Rift S, and Quest 2 next to one another, as a way to show how resolution and clarity have changed through the generations.
So I was sitting here, at my desk, watching random YT videos and this popped up. After watching it I disconnected my OG Rift and hit it away. I can't look at it anymore.
I've preordered almost 4 months ago, the wait is killing me. I really hope its coming by the end of this month!
:(
Music?
Its always a bit tricky, because cameras focus better on more screen door effect. Due to this some People might say, the vive os "sharper" than others but this isnt the case.
Oculus Rift S?
I really enjoy the through the lenses video but can you make a quest vs rift s vs reverb g2 next?
been done.
To this date, I have been happily using an original HTC Vive + Valve index controllers. Thanks for this video! The difference in display is striking, just pre-ordered a Reverb G2, and gathered all the info to flash my Steam controller dongles to use Valve index controllers instead of the Reverb G2 controllers (the lack of finger tracking being the only big downside of the G2 IMO). Can't wait :-)
Reverb G2 vs Quest 2 vs Quest 2 Oculus Link please
Seriously thinking of giving VR another try! my previous VR headset was a PSVR which was horrendously bad. With GTX 3090 already here and combo with HP G2? finally FINALLY after many years of perfecting VR technology can we say that the STANDARD is finally here. HP G2 ur the new standard. Any other VR headset creator could only be better or just be OUT. So excited with VR as a whole~!
Yes I have seen your standard video comparisons over and over and they tell me some things on how much better the HP Reverb G2 is.
But until I can put on the HP G2 VR headset for myself and and see what Night viewing BLACK's are in my SIM racing games, I will never be sure that this HP G2 is any better with BLACK's than my Oculus Rift S.
Right now, with the Rift S, SIM night racing is really noticeable and the greys really stand out moving around the tracks, doesn't feel natural. Would the HP Reverb G2 be any better, I dont know??????
Until a fellow SIM racer buys the HP G2 and tries the night time SIM racing and says yes it is much better, I guess I will stick with my Rift S. Your black tests you have doesnt seem to prove to me that the BLACK's are any better.
Anyway, thanks for the video
I feel like the OG Vive had the best colours and contrast across all the samples in this video. Also the worst SDE by far as you'd expect but still really impressed.
Can't wait to see the G2 with MSFS 2020 (FS20). The fact that it's going to be initial focus and ONLY vr headset to work with it is one thing, but a vr headset to where you actually read your gauges is going to finally give me a reason to find and marry some rich chic so I allow her to pay my bills while I enjoy some round the clock VR simming (:
G2 clearly outperforms the competition (HTC, Valve and Facebook) but how is it compared to Pimax 5k+ and 8k?
They emailed me about my preorder, telling me it will take until mid October now, but the reason given was another iteration on the lenses.
Will you later to a comparison between the pre-production and the retail model? Would be interesting to see whether they improved it even further!
Nice vid! I am interested in getting a G2 for my 18th birthday next year, but if it's 4k for each eye, I am curious how well my RX 580 will run it! Also, I am curious, in Elite: Dangerous, was the interface brightness settings set to the same level in all pics? If so, what level was it set at? Thanks!
It'll run at half resolution.
www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/hq0d6f/system_requirement_for_reverb_g2_see_the_bottom/
It's 2160x2160 per eye.
Get a RTX3080 first
Awesome , perfect timing, I'm upgrading from the OG Vive to the G2, it was enough of a difference to call it 2.0. That all said the fun and immersion of VR is so good you see past the screen door. But for racing or combat flying you wish for better and it has arrived !!