Netboy Cowflix is an elaborate ruse in order to get Yoko Kanno to create more music inspired by the world of cowboy bebop and you can not convince me otherwise
It has always been a dream of mine to smoke a cigarette in space. Pierrot le Fou was one of my favorites. I'm glad someone else had as hard a time with this adaptation as I did even though there were a couple of moments that were redeeming.
hard agree! cowboy bebop is so special to me personally and it made tackling this version a challenge for sure haha. i also think there is redeeming qualities to be found in the netflix version, i tried to be as fair as possible. thanks for the nice comment :)
I feel for you, I watched the first couple of min and could not continue. I could not imagine sitting through the entire season. Thank you for this break down. I’m definitely subscribing 👍🏼👍🏼
So when the show dropped and was bombarded by negative reviews like most fans I just skipped it, but 2 years later I came across a couple interviews from the cast saying how suprised they were that fans hated the show, that they genuinely loved everything they worked on and believed in their vision. I guess I was floored by this and led me to watching the entire show just to see what the hell they were smoking. To this day I still don’t know. If anything I think it’s a semi decent show spike and jets interactions probably being the only highlight from me. But viscous and Julia are by far the worst things about the show that ruin the whole thing for me.
Resident Evil has always faced diarrhea by fans who are more casual than even these rejects of hollywood novel adaptation. I tune out entirely from the TMNT 1987 generation attempting to argue that "faithful adaptation is what moves units". Except, I do tune in for the aggressively delusional takes in the sense that, it worries me how standard this double think has become. They don't realize that AFAIK, every SINGLE big and succesful IP is based on GARBAGE faihfulness, and pushing a decently known IP to bigger numbers by INGORING the Jeff Albertsons of the world. Who? Look it up. Spongebob is a Ren and Stimpy ripoff, Zorro was offensively watered down to be Batman promo that's worse than Mattel Star Wars printed on everything, and the ENTIRETY of Western cinema is just based on Samurai myths that don't even make THAT little sense in the Old West setting, despite iaido battles themselves never being much like guns at noon duels. I wish Alan Moore predicted right and we'd just have "pirates" wearing all the modified military uniforms that now are "the super hero" myth. The historical illiteracy is just baffling, straight-up Michael Bay tier. Both history as such, and the media litearcy of understanding the logistics of cartoon marketing, which is recent economic history.
A brilliant video that completely covers a classic case of people not understanding the core of what made an original work great. I feel the best way to describe Spike from the anime is a downward spiral interrupted. The entire series is a monent of him coasting hoping something will inspire him enough to pull out of that downward spiral but nother ever does. The final episode is him waking from the dream and resuming his life but with an acceptance of it's inevitability.
There's a part of me that'll always respect the gumption of Netflix Bebop - it was, at the very least, trying to do something new with the source material, even if the end result had nothing to say. I look at the Netflix adaptation of ATLA, where we got "the same show but worse," and don't understand why it exists. When I see Netflix Bebop, I see a group that had the right general mindset but all of the wrong specifics. I've heard that One Piece threads the line pretty well, so I'm glad that at least one of those adaptations wasn't dogwater. Netflix is also adapting the Three-Body books right now, they're some of my favorite sci-fi ever, and despite making a TON of changes to the material the adaptation really captures the spirit of the original works. Going 1:1 definitely isn't More Correct. Oh, well. Glad to see another upload.
thanks for the comment and thoughts! i def give their one piece props, i was seriously shocked by how solid it is. it's a great approachable way to get into the series and all around is genuinely a great show. i also agree 1:1 isn't the right play for these adaptations. i had a bit about it in the vid but yeah it's really strange how sometimes they're able to pull them off and sometimes they just miss the mark entirely LOL. never heard of three-body but it seems really cool, i'll have to check it out! thanks again :))
It's because they have adolescent view of the world, which translates to One Piece's static status quo, permanent characters that don't truly grow and change. Child's idea of living the same moment permanently because your short life is nothing but that. It's easy to just adapt BS and keep rolling on in One Piece universe. But Spike is written in a fleeting moment in time, it's a precarious position of late-20's midlife crisis of a childish guy burning up fast. Like Romeo and Juliet's love, possible only for a moment, and etched into their tombstone. Casting Spike as 40 is like casting Satou from Welcome to NHK as 40, and people don't even understand HIM as being ONLY 20 and functionally as much a kid as Misaki is. Satou can move on BECAUSE he still has life in front of him, and many WtNHK critiques have expressed frustration of showing a peachy picture of "being able" to "turn your life around". Which is NOT true, the life was tunred FORWARD while there still was time. That's also what Cyberpunk anime was able to capture, rather than wasn't able. What really kids need to watch is Welcome to the Ballroom. THAT is a sports anime about EVERYTHING you need in everything, not just the male thirst for strong role models.
One Piece - was made by people who loved the source material. The only changes they made were out of necessity to condense the East Blue Arc to a reasonable length for streaming Cowboy Bebop - was clearly made by people who hated the original and thought they were fixing it. Avatar - was made by people who enjoyed the original but are incompetent and don’t understand it’s appeal to general audiences on any level One Piece was the only one of these adaptations that didn’t feel like some bizarre act of hubris on the part of the creators with how far it went to mess with beloved source material
Something that bothered me is the setting doesn't match. I mean this as the original anime was placed in a decaying dystopia and the live action is not(though a few spots look it, the LA doesn't operate as such)
You really pointed out a lot of the real issues in the live action. Netflix had an opportunity to make something awesome and they chose to go with what we got. It's just sad of what it could have been. It shows Netflix just sucks at making live action anime.
To this day, it baffles me that we got a great One Piece recommendation, but an awful Cowboy Bebop adaptation. Doing Cowboy Bebop in live-action should have been so much easier.
I will die on two hills regarding live action BB. John Cho was amazing and deserved a better show and the scene where Vicious was going to shoot Julia and it's empty and she freaks and he's like relax I could tell it was empty with the weight was actually pretty funny and nice nod to him knowing his way round a gun. Even though Real Vicious was a Katana Man. The rest of this mess though....ugh.
I don’t care that Spike is Asian. But while I was actually one of the people who defended his casting before the show began … John Cho is too old to play Spike. Spike needed to be played by someone in his 30s. Spike reads older than Jet & that’s just wrong. It’s hard to even touch on the casting of Faye because she’s such an awful character in this adaptation. I’m not familiar with Pineda’s other work. Maybe she could have played Faye Valentine if that is the character she’d been asked to play. But she’s playing “Welcome to the ouch m*therf*ckers!” instead
Why does it have to be live action? No real life person is going to be as attractive as their anime counterpart. Not to mention anime has so many scenes of emotion that only work in anime. Like when arguments happen in anime.
i wish they would pick it up for a second season and ret con everything they did in the first season lol i would love to see faye! like actual faye hehe
Genuinely stresses me out how much they butchered this series. A love action bebop could be amazing. I was excited for Jet being cast black, but they still need to keeo his personality. He comes off too young in this. Tbh none of the cast was even remotely good 😭
lol problem is American call Cowboy bebop a a space western when really it's about the mob how he left it but like all mean women get killed least in the anime never finsh that crappy tv live action not the actor fualts either the writer where crap
Good lord what nitpicking. While true the casting wasn't great you should cut the first 2 chapters I this vid. The rest was fine. Not surprising though, you started the video saying you didn't finish the first episode at release. Lol I should add that I was disappointed with the show also.
Netboy Cowflix is an elaborate ruse in order to get Yoko Kanno to create more music inspired by the world of cowboy bebop and you can not convince me otherwise
REAL
Why couldn’t they do that with a good adaptation though? It would probably be easier to just make less dramatic changes to the script
What's insulting is that Shinichiro Watanabe was credited as consultant but he didn't. He was mad about that.
It has always been a dream of mine to smoke a cigarette in space. Pierrot le Fou was one of my favorites. I'm glad someone else had as hard a time with this adaptation as I did even though there were a couple of moments that were redeeming.
hard agree! cowboy bebop is so special to me personally and it made tackling this version a challenge for sure haha. i also think there is redeeming qualities to be found in the netflix version, i tried to be as fair as possible. thanks for the nice comment :)
You perfectly summed up most of my criticisms towards this adaptation. Definitely subscribed
thank you so much!
the video isn't loading but i swear to god if this is a high quality long form media analysis by ghoulfmv again
You're not gonna believe this
idk how to tell you this...
I feel for you, I watched the first couple of min and could not continue. I could not imagine sitting through the entire season. Thank you for this break down. I’m definitely subscribing 👍🏼👍🏼
So when the show dropped and was bombarded by negative reviews like most fans I just skipped it, but 2 years later I came across a couple interviews from the cast saying how suprised they were that fans hated the show, that they genuinely loved everything they worked on and believed in their vision. I guess I was floored by this and led me to watching the entire show just to see what the hell they were smoking. To this day I still don’t know. If anything I think it’s a semi decent show spike and jets interactions probably being the only highlight from me. But viscous and Julia are by far the worst things about the show that ruin the whole thing for me.
gotta agree! spike and jets scenes together were also my highlight with the show haha, thanks for the comment!
Resident Evil has always faced diarrhea by fans who are more casual than even these rejects of hollywood novel adaptation. I tune out entirely from the TMNT 1987 generation attempting to argue that "faithful adaptation is what moves units".
Except, I do tune in for the aggressively delusional takes in the sense that, it worries me how standard this double think has become. They don't realize that AFAIK, every SINGLE big and succesful IP is based on GARBAGE faihfulness, and pushing a decently known IP to bigger numbers by INGORING the Jeff Albertsons of the world. Who? Look it up.
Spongebob is a Ren and Stimpy ripoff, Zorro was offensively watered down to be Batman promo that's worse than Mattel Star Wars printed on everything, and the ENTIRETY of Western cinema is just based on Samurai myths that don't even make THAT little sense in the Old West setting, despite iaido battles themselves never being much like guns at noon duels.
I wish Alan Moore predicted right and we'd just have "pirates" wearing all the modified military uniforms that now are "the super hero" myth. The historical illiteracy is just baffling, straight-up Michael Bay tier. Both history as such, and the media litearcy of understanding the logistics of cartoon marketing, which is recent economic history.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 Dude what the fuck are you talking about
The Vicious storyline on its own made the show unwatchable
A brilliant video that completely covers a classic case of people not understanding the core of what made an original work great. I feel the best way to describe Spike from the anime is a downward spiral interrupted. The entire series is a monent of him coasting hoping something will inspire him enough to pull out of that downward spiral but nother ever does. The final episode is him waking from the dream and resuming his life but with an acceptance of it's inevitability.
thanks so much for the nice comment! i love the way you wrote about spike, it's a brilliant way to look at his character.
There's a part of me that'll always respect the gumption of Netflix Bebop - it was, at the very least, trying to do something new with the source material, even if the end result had nothing to say. I look at the Netflix adaptation of ATLA, where we got "the same show but worse," and don't understand why it exists. When I see Netflix Bebop, I see a group that had the right general mindset but all of the wrong specifics. I've heard that One Piece threads the line pretty well, so I'm glad that at least one of those adaptations wasn't dogwater. Netflix is also adapting the Three-Body books right now, they're some of my favorite sci-fi ever, and despite making a TON of changes to the material the adaptation really captures the spirit of the original works. Going 1:1 definitely isn't More Correct. Oh, well. Glad to see another upload.
thanks for the comment and thoughts! i def give their one piece props, i was seriously shocked by how solid it is. it's a great approachable way to get into the series and all around is genuinely a great show. i also agree 1:1 isn't the right play for these adaptations. i had a bit about it in the vid but yeah it's really strange how sometimes they're able to pull them off and sometimes they just miss the mark entirely LOL. never heard of three-body but it seems really cool, i'll have to check it out! thanks again :))
It's because they have adolescent view of the world, which translates to One Piece's static status quo, permanent characters that don't truly grow and change. Child's idea of living the same moment permanently because your short life is nothing but that. It's easy to just adapt BS and keep rolling on in One Piece universe.
But Spike is written in a fleeting moment in time, it's a precarious position of late-20's midlife crisis of a childish guy burning up fast. Like Romeo and Juliet's love, possible only for a moment, and etched into their tombstone. Casting Spike as 40 is like casting Satou from Welcome to NHK as 40, and people don't even understand HIM as being ONLY 20 and functionally as much a kid as Misaki is. Satou can move on BECAUSE he still has life in front of him, and many WtNHK critiques have expressed frustration of showing a peachy picture of "being able" to "turn your life around". Which is NOT true, the life was tunred FORWARD while there still was time.
That's also what Cyberpunk anime was able to capture, rather than wasn't able. What really kids need to watch is Welcome to the Ballroom. THAT is a sports anime about EVERYTHING you need in everything, not just the male thirst for strong role models.
One Piece - was made by people who loved the source material. The only changes they made were out of necessity to condense the East Blue Arc to a reasonable length for streaming
Cowboy Bebop - was clearly made by people who hated the original and thought they were fixing it.
Avatar - was made by people who enjoyed the original but are incompetent and don’t understand it’s appeal to general audiences on any level
One Piece was the only one of these adaptations that didn’t feel like some bizarre act of hubris on the part of the creators with how far it went to mess with beloved source material
Still don’t know why it was even made, we already had a Cowboy bebop live action adaptation, it’s called Firefly.
Something that bothered me is the setting doesn't match. I mean this as the original anime was placed in a decaying dystopia and the live action is not(though a few spots look it, the LA doesn't operate as such)
Hey, Battlefield Earth had amazing Cinematography lets do that!!
You really pointed out a lot of the real issues in the live action. Netflix had an opportunity to make something awesome and they chose to go with what we got. It's just sad of what it could have been. It shows Netflix just sucks at making live action anime.
Vicious Malfoy.
Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo will forever be my favorite pieces of media.
I still need to file my taxes, thanks for the reminder GhoulFMV
any time!
I am so glad I never watched the Netflix version.
To this day, it baffles me that we got a great One Piece recommendation, but an awful Cowboy Bebop adaptation. Doing Cowboy Bebop in live-action should have been so much easier.
We need to stop netflix from doing this.
this video is fucking awesome
YOU JUST GET IT!!!!!
I will die on two hills regarding live action BB. John Cho was amazing and deserved a better show and the scene where Vicious was going to shoot Julia and it's empty and she freaks and he's like relax I could tell it was empty with the weight was actually pretty funny and nice nod to him knowing his way round a gun. Even though Real Vicious was a Katana Man.
The rest of this mess though....ugh.
What show did you describe with rocket jump energy? Wanna check it out
Good analysis btw
Video Game Highschool! made by rocket jump and it holds up great. you should def give it a watch!
Making Jet a single father was stupid
When every angle is Dutch, NO ANGLES ARE DUTCH!
They ruined it for me when they changed the story. Julia being the bad guy made it a cringy watch.
Spike (english) Spiegel (german sounding, celtic maybe?): Asian guy
Faye Valentine (ALIAS): *literally stated to be Asian* white girl
Apparently spike is supposed to be jewish
I don’t care that Spike is Asian. But while I was actually one of the people who defended his casting before the show began … John Cho is too old to play Spike. Spike needed to be played by someone in his 30s. Spike reads older than Jet & that’s just wrong.
It’s hard to even touch on the casting of Faye because she’s such an awful character in this adaptation. I’m not familiar with Pineda’s other work. Maybe she could have played Faye Valentine if that is the character she’d been asked to play.
But she’s playing “Welcome to the ouch m*therf*ckers!” instead
You're gonna carry that weight... 🔫
P.S. Trigun is right there in 3rd place.
Why does vicious look like bootleg Malfoy dad
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Vicious? On a phone?!
Why does it have to be live action? No real life person is going to be as attractive as their anime counterpart. Not to mention anime has so many scenes of emotion that only work in anime. Like when arguments happen in anime.
Algorithm Vibes 🎉 🍕
P.P.S. I used to really want live action anime adaptations when I was young. Now? I'm against it.
i wish they would pick it up for a second season and ret con everything they did in the first season lol i would love to see faye! like actual faye hehe
I'm glad the netflix show was canceled. Serves the creators right for making a terrible adaptation.
Hey man, great vid! Do everyone a favor and love yourself NOW
ON IT
Genuinely stresses me out how much they butchered this series. A love action bebop could be amazing. I was excited for Jet being cast black, but they still need to keeo his personality. He comes off too young in this. Tbh none of the cast was even remotely good 😭
Watanabe deserved better.
The adaptation is so bad that it's making me hate this video
I still enjoy netflixes cowboy bebop. From the set design to lighting to music. It was the best show of 2021
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This show would have been great if they'd just made Black Lagoon instead.
They wouldn't have the balls to do it right, anyway.
lol problem is American call Cowboy bebop a a space western when really it's about the mob how he left it but like all mean women get killed least in the anime never finsh that crappy tv live action not the actor fualts either the writer where crap
Good lord what nitpicking. While true the casting wasn't great you should cut the first 2 chapters I this vid. The rest was fine. Not surprising though, you started the video saying you didn't finish the first episode at release. Lol
I should add that I was disappointed with the show also.