Tom King Writing Worst Wonder Woman Comic Of All-Times
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Tom King fans continue defending his terrible takes and stories in the DC Comics universe. King is currently writing the worst Wonder Woman comic is recent memory and certainly his worst series at DC Comics. But King fans claim this is the greatest Wonder Woman series ever, despite never reading Wonder Woman before. Wonder Woman #10 is the last example of just how terrible this run is. Wes and Jim review Wonder Woman #10 and question how any comic book fan can still support him or the series. Tom King is writing the worst Wonder Woman comic of all-times.
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James Gunn likes King because they share a lack of interest in continuity.
Really continuity
They should've given James Gunn Metal Men, or Forever People, something like that. Maybe even Legion. He works best when he has lower tier characters, without a major standing.
Because they both love to take shit on idea of heroes, while pretending that it's they who re-invented wheel, look how M-she-U shills cheering for Gunn ... where he just made guardians of the galaxy to act as TEEN TITANS... and since dc has no TEEN TITANS movie ... normies gonna think that it's he who "invented" it, while he took dump on basic GotG story and interactions Gamora & Drax completely not same characters they are in the comics.
The fact James Gunn is taking inspiration from Tom Kings work for his DCU has me really concerned 😬
It's just destined to fail if that's the case and he only have himself to blame for actually being fond of sht
Yeah, Gunn seems to want to make every project some super complex and deep exploration into the character and honestly it's bordering on deconstructing the character.
I alreadx disliked James Gunn's Marvel stuff, so I came in expecting little.
Tom cringe ruins everything he touches, he made a mess of Batman and now Wonder Woman
"Yara want snu-snu!"
"...yes ma'am."
@@ExplodingPrinny idk about your but when a woman wants snu snu I’m in that shit like white on rice.
Unless you’re a phag or something. Idk.
and Adam Strange, and Mister Miracle, and The Vision, etcetera, etcetera...
and why the heck is hard turning Diana suit back classic, why DC So stuborn and keep her in that new outfit
Suddenly Cheetah cries out "Hey! My mother's name is Martha too!"
A whole decade of his crappy cinematic universe
Snyder was actually better than this.
Why can't they just give her more fun stories about Olympic mythology? Wonder Woman needs just entertaining fantasy adventures
@DavidMartinez-ce3Ip
"Why can't they just give her more fun stories about Olympic mythology"
Because in the past decade or a half Olympic/Greek mythology has been dragged through the dirt and demonize by Western culture with many of the Greek pantheon and Greek Heroes being made to look bad/worse and questionable 🤦♂️
I mean it's true to an extent that Greek mythology is very very hard to get into especially with the contrast between morality of the modern world and of the ancient world of the Olympians
A lot of the Greek gods goddesses and "Heroes" were really horrible people that did a lot of horrible things and the term hero during ancient times was very very different compared to modern times
Why is it that every time we get a movie, TV show or video game that is about the Greek pantheon that they have to inject modern Western influences and heroic idealism onto ancient Greek characters. Because it would be hard to sell the greek olympians God's goddesses and demigod humans in their original mythological morality and ideology 😒
Comic book writers have been trying to separate WW character from the Greek pantheon in many different ways because of the questionable mythology surrounding it.
@DavidMartinez-ce3Ip
Another problem that I think that persists when it comes to WW comics and her character is again as Wes pointed out is that Wonder Woman doesn't have a very interesting rogue's gallery of villains
Even if that has been proven not to be true due to decades worth of comics and her having other villains outside of just Cheetah
However a lot of modern comic writers or just writers in general aren't really interested in using any of WW's rogues gallery of villains and choose to fall back on cheetah and the God of War Aries 🤦♂️
Because they don't want to put any of the effort into writing any of her other villains either due to a lack of interest or a lack of ideas on how to modernize/reimagine those characters for a modern audience and fanbase
I also think from my previous discussion it's due to the questionable mythology surrounding the Olympians and Greek myths in general
Even though the Greek gods and goddesses in DC comics Wonder Woman history are very very different than how they are depicted in IRL and are a lot less messed up
However I feel that like a lot of other books WW was ruined by the N52 as the WW comic from back then wanted to bring in a lot of the messed up IRL Greek mythology and origins to the comics.
@naquangreen2192 Marvel took Thor and Norse mythology and made it fun. Don't need to be accurate to the original myths. People want fun fantasy adventures. No political BS or edginess. Just fun pure fantasy. There's a huge market for that even now. Plenty of ways to reinvent Olympic mythology in a successful and fun way like Disney's Hercules or the Percy Jackson books.
@naquangreen2192 Both your comments are VERY VERY true! I love Wondy thanks to the Lynda Carter show and sincerely wish she’d get more respect and care put into her stories. She plays ball with Superman and the Greek Pantheon! DC is VERY open to using magic and the supernatural compared to Marvel! How can her rogues gallery look so lame and undercooked!?
@@naquangreen2192 Too true I guess. Greek heroes were more like chaotic neutral adventurers, most often.
The list of artists that Tom King and DC waste is crazy. David Finch, Tony Daniel, Clay Mann, Marquez, Joelle Jones, and if you wanna throw JRJR and Janin in there too, go ahead. You can now add Daniel Sampere to the growing list. I’m sure I missed a few.
I think the art is what keeps tricking people into buying King’s comics. Nothing interesting is happening and the characters all have the same personality of either depressed loser and strong woman…but the art looks amazing and you can fool yourself into believing that it’s all very deep and exciting.
@@snowbunnie1113 I figured it out pretty quick in his Batman run that he was not a good writer. I remember the first few arcs, everyone thought it was really good and Tom King was doing something deep. When he had Bruce eating a burger with a fork and knife, that was pretty much when I realized that Tom King was writing himself as Batman. Like he does with every male character. Every female character is written as his mommy-wife.
There’s a whole sect of WW fans who want her gay, her villains gay and her supporting cast gay. They also want no men unless they are gay. It’s so toxic and anyone who thinks otherwise is enemy number 1. It’s not all of but this certain sect.
Also, they want no romance with Steve Trevor! Trevor’s character has no backstory to make him interesting because they don’t care to make him interesting!
Modern fans of dc comics are dumb is like the bat family fans
I despise those fans, they all have serious issues, their entire lives revolves around that, all they think about is “gay”. All the characters in everything they read must be gay, they’ll have twitter pages and it’ll all be gay, all their posts will be about it, everything. It’s all they think about.
I can not keep track whether Diana is currently with Trevor or with Clark, the stupid out of continuity flashback issues do not help.
Tom King's run on Wonder Woman is the bizarro version of Marv Wolfman and George Perez.
Marv Wolfman*
@@maxmazzotti6651 Autocorrect. Thank you.
Marv wolfman didn’t write wonder woman
“What is essential is that your gods have decided that if there is a Wonder Woman then there must also be a Cheetah.”
WTF
Are they naturally enemies or something? Like, do cheetahs and wonder women fight in the wild like cobras and mongooses?
Cheetah is an important character and probably Wonder Woman’s most prominent villain…but she doesn’t need to be part of a Gods prophecy or whatever King was trying to say. This is common feature of King’s writing, a character has to be elevated into role they shouldn’t be in to “make them more serious”. It’s the same sh*t he did with Riddler, trying to make him a “badass” that Joker and Batman a scared of. It always comes off a goofball and OOC.
@@snowbunnie1113 That's why WW isn't that good a book. She doesn't have a proper rogue's gallery, sadly. And who the hell in DC still thinks Tom King is a good writer???
@Slitheringpeanut She does have a good rogues gallery. It's just that they have never been properly utilized. George Perez's run was the only one where we got to see some of WW villains get fleshed out.
@@Slitheringpeanut How many Wonder Woman comics have you read?
Well Cheetah represents the dark cursed side of what Gods can do to people. Diana is the blessed daughter and Minerva is the cursed or wretched wife. They are two sides of the same coin. Diana is the light and blessing from the gods, cheetah is the dark and cruel side of the gods.
There is an Amazon War with America going on but WW has time for ice cream and shopping with Superman and the Wonder Girls have time for a video game… never saw stuff like this during War of the Gods or such.
@armoghetto
I guess it just shows that after soo many world/universe ending crisis events that a war between Amazons and the US isn't the worst thing that they have dealt with or have seen specially having dealt with the likes of Darkseid and the Anti-monitor
Wonder Woman and the Wonder girls being as laid-back and chill as they are in Tom King's WW points to the characters not really being all that concerned since they've dealt with much much worse 🤷♂️
Be that as it may, personally think it's just because the sovereign, Amanda Waller and the US aren't really all that intimidating or threatening as villains
Especially since Tom King doesn't seem all that interested in making them come across as pure evil since the characters in question are all American and that Tom King himself is an American and former CIA etc.
This Tom King guy sounds like the Zack Snyder of DC comic books
Some comments invoke spontaneous laughter, because an instant truth doesn't even need to be thought about or sink in. Soon as I read it I laughed.
You couldn't be more wrong. Zack isn't actually that bad, tom king however is putrid
@@dionlackey798 Rebel Moon anyone?
@@dionlackey798zack snyder isn’t bad.
Do you not recall in man of steel that the kryptonian criminals were jailed in dildos that flew to the sky?
Or autistic Lex luthor?
Or lord of the rings troll doomsday?
“MARTHA!?”
Kevin Costner pa Kent basically
committing $uicide?
If you think snyder ain’t that bad you’re probably poor judge of film or 15 years old
@@dionlackey798 Ain’t that bad? Zack wanted to turn Batman and Superman and the other dc heroes into something other than what they were made to be and tells the fans that don’t like it to fuck off Tom King does the same shit he just does it in the comics their about the same
Tom King is like Midas, except turning stuff to gold he turns stuff into shit
Ah, but shit is good for growing things. Radioactive toxic sludge might be more applicable?
@@PrivateCitizen84 😂 Let’s go with that
So he's king shitas..
@@tonyfrickey9062 😂 yeah I guess he his
@@cyberdragon3887lol exactly
So, they fight for days on end and then suddenly they are best pals and lean on each other shoulders? And talk about each other's feelings or something? What a bs.
Mulher maravilha e Cheetah sempre foram melhores amigas. Vc só conhece a Cheetah de Liga da Justiça sem Limites e acha que a personagem não tem qualquer desenvolvimento
Did they stop for lunch breaks during those weeks?
@@heitor9423 No, they haven't. Only Rebirth added this idea. In New 52 and before that reboot, Barbara never even knew Diana, she was an archeologist who got cursed on one of her trips and then decided to challenge Diana at random. JLU Cheetah was interesting, I wish they explored her origin instead, given that she transformed herself on purpose. Plus she is more anthro looking
I feel like Tom King is exactly who DC wants because he writes soft stories for weak men. Thats what seems to be in style these days.
"Weak men" lol
There's only been one "King" of comics that I ever heard of, and his name wasn't Tom. It was Jack.
No really though, I only read his Batman run on the recommendation of a good friend, and I think he must have sold that on that first story, with the brother and sister who traded their life for superpowers. That was a really solid story, especially the moment Alfred goes out in a Batsuit to distract the end villain for a moment. My god, that man earned his paycheck. But as I read on I saw less and less as a long term Batman fan that I approved of, but the good parts carried it until the awful wedding story. Even having it spoiled well ahead of time, I couldn't make sense of it from a storyteller's perspective, and that was when I wrote Tom King off as "talented but too misguided for it to matter".
I hate Tom King's Batman run and Heroes in Crisis by Tom KIng especially the former because Batman is the best superhero of all time IMO.
Another flop, I'm shocked😒
It's Tom King. Not a surprise.
@@EvandroACruz yup
@@EvandroACruz go back to your country
But not that shocked...😊
@@littlekaiju8377 this is true
Tom King was probably hoping that people would take Cheetah eats Wonder Woman another way.
Tom King works best as an Elseworlds writer. Call it King world where he can just go full tilt on bizarre story arcs and discontinuity.
Dropped this shit after the issue 2. Usual Tom King garbage. Diana portrayal is the worst. She's a jerk and condescending in toward mans. I just can't believe that this crap sells. King needs leave DC for good.
Pena que os canais brasileiros de quadrinhos ficam tudo pagando pau para o Tom king e já estão elogiando esse run também.
@@gasparito_aruba Verdade,mas o pessoal daqui adora elogiar porcaria. Só ver como estão pagando pau pro relançamento de Spawn.
One of the big problems with modern entertainment is that the modern writers do not understand the importance of verisimilitude in storytelling and world building. To keep one's audience invested in your story and your characters, they must be able to suspend their disbelief, and it is the good writer that makes it easier for the audience to do so. There is nothing worse than immersing yourself deeply into a story, only to have the writer pull you out again with a lack of story consistency or verisimilitude. This is even more important in fantastical genres such as Superheroes, Sci-Fi, and Fantasy. These story archetypes are already quite fantastic and, as such, keeping them somewhat grounded is very important. Today, though, to excuse their poor writing and storytelling skills, modern writers will defend their inconsistent stories by saying, "There are heroes that fly and deflect bullets, and your quibble is the make up of the flora and fauna of an island?" It's lazy writing and bad storytelling. It's also narcissism and selfishness (how many writers today talk about, "Telling the story I want to tell," while working within the framework of someone else's well established world?). And all of this is why continuity and canon matter. Thanks Wes and Jim for the excellent discussion.
Tom King is the Zack Snyder of comic books. Both are extremely divisive on their best days and total hacks on their worst. Mainstream audiences and readers dislike them, but they have a very devout cult of fan boys who think everything they sh*t out is gold.
Also TC can you talk about King’s other current book “The Penguin”, because damn. It is peak Tom King cringe and really isn’t a good look for a character that DC is trying to push right now (with the Reeves verse TV series).
No I wouldn't add Zack Snyder into this Zack actually can get people to sell and people actually thoroughly enjoy his stuff now Tom King gets the real hack because Tom King literally took Batman and killed that run now Zack ain't never did nothing like that when you took something in destroyed number one slot for something No you were not about to compare that one maybe you can say that about James Gunn or JJ Abrams maybe or Ryan Johnson but we're not going to insult Zach like that
Zack is much better I don't know what's with you ppl saying he's bad. Tom king couldn't even carry his shoes
@@dionlackey798 snyder sucks and so does king
@@sodacan1415 as I stated previously, Tom king couldn't even carry Zack Snyder shoes. Even if you say Snyder sucks he's a 1000x better than king
Except zack made better movies than him and so far he only has 3 not so great movies like rebel moon 1+2 and sucker punch and as a snyder fan I don't really praise the rebel moon movies. Its that his fans overrate him and his haters overhate him. And zack was trying to give the justice league character arcs and superman was supposed to be fully superman in the end of justice league 3. And sure snyderfans can be toxic but at least some of them do trash at rebel moon while tom king fans always praise him.
Diana: My latest story arc accuses me misdelivering Amazon orders, Steve.
Steve: They wrote a story that I am a porch thief, specializing in DC comics. Who would STEAL them? Sheesh.
King, much like the CIA he used to work for, knows how to torture. I would rather be waterboarded than read King's work.
Me first!
Try to be a little objective here. I mean look at how you guys sound:
Just because you don't like this, you're saying that only Tom Kings fans would like this, despite it being in the top 5 selling DC comics. This means that it's holding past the first issue bump.
Just because you don't like Tom King, you say that Tom King fans aren't Wonder Woman or DC comic fans. That's a crazy generalization.
You say its the worst Wonder Woman comic in recent memory when it's selling better than any recent Wonder Woman run (I don't know how you can think this is worse than Cloonan).
You're saying it's the worst title in DC when it's one of the best selling ones.
You're saying that this should be Daniel Sampere's breakout work. It obviously is because outside this bubble, people acknowledge this is doing well. Or at least better than most of DC's other books.
You're ignoring facts and treating those with a different opinion as lesser fans.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think this is the best Wonder Woman run of all time, certainly not better than Perez or Rucka, but I do think it's better than any Wonder Woman run that we've had in a long time.
I've been a comic book fan for over 30 years and Wonder Woman is one of my top 3 DC characters alongside Batman and Hal Jordan, and I really don't think this run is that bad at all. It's one of the very very few titles that I'm happy buying from the big 2.
Despite how it sounds, I'm not a Tom King superfan. I like some of his work and I dislike some. For the most part I think he's fine. He's not as good as older writers (no one is) but I think he's better than the majority of DC's current crop of modern writers.
You have some good points here. The story does feel a bit disconnected due to King being too focused on trying to explore Diana's character. The Sovereign stuff almost seems like a backdrop. However your good points are being overshadowed by the nitpicky BS like asking how she got to the island (when it states clearly she was taken to the island because Sovereign believes that Cheetah might be able to break her) or asking why she fights when she's hungry or why Yara sounds like Tarzan (she doesn't for the most part). Like some of these complaints seem like you're just looking for something to complain about. If you were this nitpicky about Green Lantern and took things out of context, I'm sure you'd find a lot of faults there too.
It isn’t a bad book by any stretch. Tom king isn’t a bad writer. He’s had some clunkers. But what creator hasn’t had clunkers
Tom King depiction of Brazilian Wonder Woman seems extremely offensive.
Most Brazilians speak Portuguese. (similar to Spanish). No Tarzan speak.
Portuguese is Brazil's National language for hundreds of years.
There are some native language only tribes, like US Native Americans. Again, no Tarzan speak.
In Idaho, many people speak English very well.
FYI, Idaho has some US Native Americans, Mexicans, Basque.
The Tarzan Speck is highly offensive. You think Tom King would
be progressive enough to know that?
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Excellent discussion as usual:).
There's an exquisite tweet that someone posted that essentially said that most comic writers are always trying to be ALAN MOORE when we need writers like STEVE ENGLEHART(or ROY THOMAS - forgot which writer).
TOM KING is obviously trying to ape ALAN MOORE - i think even MR. WES pointed this out in one of your previous videos. And that's the thing - everybody can't be Moore, or Neil Gaiman or Grant Morrison. What we need are more straightforward superhero comic writers, folks who embrace the larger than life fantasy world instead of trying to "make literature".
I need to read Perez's WW again.
Brian Azzarello needs to return to save this Wonder Woman book from the evil that is known as Tom King. In fact a lot of the previous writers from The New 52 era should return to save the DC Universe.
Azzarello turning her into a bloodthirsty cat lady was bad.. Better than most or all of what has come since, other than Rucka Rebirth which was one of the best WW runs ever. But that's because of how bad everything else has been.
Or do more harm to her character. Wonder Woman comic book run hasn't been good since the 90s.
The only two writers that Got WW right was George Perez and Greg Rucka.
She needs just pure fantasy fun stories. No politics. No feminist message. Just a hero doing battle against threats from Olympic mythology.
Brian Azzarello made the Amazons become rapists and murderers, what are you talking about???
Wonder woman's pretty hard to ruin since she's one those characters that every writer seems to have a different take on her and everyone has kind of given up on trying to reconcile her history
A damn shame since if they’d give her solid and firm foundations, she could be equally as strong in the DC Trinity as Bats and Supes.
@@duncanharrell5009 I know right I think the big problem is that despite being a hero of Greek mythology her own mythology is rarely explored in any meaningful way
@@WTSD850 Yup. For real, DC, please just say SOMETHING about her is absolutely set in stone! Is she made from clay and blessed by the Olympians or is she an illegitimate daughter of Zeus? Are the Amazons mini Wonder Women, almost like her, or lesser than? Do they accept the occasional outside man after Wonder Woman leaves Paradise Island/Themyscira or misandrists that make the worst misogynists look like RadFems? What does Wonder Woman look like (Costume design, colors, height, build, etc.)? What can Wonder Woman do? I feel like barely anything about her is solid and while I know comics unfortunately rarely have 'bibles' for their worlds or characters, she really suffers from Depending On The Writer.
The only TWO things that worry me about Gunn is that he praised Tom King and he hired one of the Writers from the HBO Watchmen series .... other than that hoping he can produce a good, film with a little sentimentality from the old Superman-Lois days ..as they are more partners and he isn't just saving her over and over again.
Daniel Sampere is great artist but his talent is being sidelined by King's writing.
I have to agree, completely. I used to be a Tom King disciple, but... over the past several years (and endless mini- and maxi-series), he has revealed himself to be, truly, one of the most profoundly disappointing comic book writers ever. Almost 100% of the time, the initial premise (and the number 1 issue) are extremely enticing and exciting... and, then, without fail, 100% of the books turn into unreadable, meandering, pointless, self-indulgent dreck by issue 3, at best. It is crushingly frustrating. At this point, Wonder Woman-- which started out phenomenally-- reads worse than if DC were to just publish 32 pages of literal Tom King masturbation selfies. Issue 9 was impossible to get through. And this issue was an absolute joke. I can't believe I read this far into the series. I will never get that time or money back. But I can say, without any hesitation, that I will never read another Tom King series, ever again-- no matter what people say about it. No one is more sad or angry about this than me. This guy has had endless opportunities to give fans groundbreaking takes/stories.... and he's failed almost 100% of the time. Even going back and looking at Mister Miracle (or any other series that he wrote before his fall), it only seemed amazing at the time because we'd never read anything like it before. Now we know the truth. He believes he's the most clever, original, insightful writer alive-- and it shows-- but he actually has nothing to say; and he certainly doesn't have any idea how to craft a compelling story (especially for this medium). It's all just been him gazing lustfully at his own reflection, recycling the same, tired, non-ideas over and over and over. And I'm done.
Reddit defends Tom King to the point where it's embarrassing. He is a very mediocre writer and every time I see his name on a book, I automatically pass on it.
All Tom King, Brian Michael Bendis and the other woke writers want to do is turn established superheroes into social justice warriors
Isn't every writer like that more or less.
King and Bendis love portray the heroes in a very unsympathetic way.
I got called a white supremacist for saying Tom King hits the same story beats in all his writing.
Good times..😂
I dropped this series after issue 7, I couldn't take it anymore. Reading this series caused me literal physical and spiritual anguish. It's a huge fucking slog to get through. Reading that shit felt like going to a job that I didn't wanna do and hated, while having in unsuitable working conditions and several OSHA violations while reading it.
It’s like two cosplayers pretending to fight each other.
They should bring back bondage to make it interesting again! 😃
Like i said only those who truly understood WONDER WOMAN are William Messner loebs, John byrne, Phil Jimenez, Greg Rucka, Gail Simone and Aaron Lopresti those guys who truly understood the Amazing Amazon Superheroine character as well as her true original creators the late William Moulton Marston and Harry "HG" Peter
thanks guys, for your review. I wont read any Tom King books, so its good to know that I'm not the only one who sees his dreck. i just can't believe DC and Marvel are paying these bad writers and artist and expecting fans to still buy it. not me.
The only characters I think Tom King has damaged are Angle Man, who he ironically brought back, and Silver Swan. I guess there could be an argument for Grail, but I think the New Gods as a whole have been damaged since Jack Kirby stopped writing them. There does need to be some general cleanup after King is gone, or preferably before King leaves the book. Why are the amazons of any tribe invoking Hera's name in a positive way at this point? The very last arc was Hera trying to depopulate Themyscira! After all three tribes unified under Themyscira's queen Nubia no less! It's not like Hera apologized or even gracefully accepted her defeat either. She vowed to try again!
What's Yara Flor going on about Diana being too arrogant for a side kick? Yara WAS Diana's side kick during Hera's war on humanity. If Diana doesn't want Yara around now, well that's justified too since Yara is the one who convinced Diana to go talk to Hera. It's really on Diana for taking the idiot's advice instead of trusting her better judgment, but Diana has human emotions so it's perfectly reasonable for Diana to associate Yara with suffering and have an aversion to further partnerships. Why is Donna Troy bold enough to ask anything of her sister after refusing to cooperate with the investigation into their mother's murder? How did Amazons Attack happen in this world where the Olympians weren't kidnapped the New Gods? Where Circe doesn't have a daughter to lose? Where The Bana-Mighdall had not migrated to Themyscira? '
How did Grail get out of prison. What's the deal with Anglette now? Is Lyta Trevor ever going to be a thing this time around?
The Killing Joke written by someone who didn't get The Killing Joke.
Tom King writes the Worst EVERY CHARACTER Comic of All-Time. It's a shame that James Gunn is going to ruin his new DC movies by consulting with this fool...
The art is so boring and on almost every page the artist just photshops the same panel multiple times...
Not a fan of Tom King at all, but this is not the worst WW by any means. Simonson's WW run was terrible. Phil Jimenez was so bad that his omnibus starts with an apology. The New52 after Azzarello left was horrendous. Let's not be overdramatic about King's run.
I had planned to add this book to my pull list at first and then I read a preview for issue 1 in the back of another comic to which I thankfully never purchased a single issue because I could tell it was gonna be a STINKER 💩
15:55 Reminds me of DCeased when we thought we going to get an epic zombie Superman battle only for it to be 1 or 2 page of them holding him and getting cured and a new arm off panel
It’s just Diana and Barbara fighting each other for days before they reconciled and saved each other. Also, even though Diana and Barbara encountered each other since the late ‘80s, they don’t personally know each other. At least we get to see a mentioning of Pricilla Rich (whose pre-Crisis Earth-Two self last appeared in the first Crisis and whose pre-Crisis Earth-One/New Earth/Prime Earth self died) and Deborah Domaine (who was cured by Diana off-panel after the first Crisis). Same thing with Tom King continuing Barbara’s redemption since the forgettable and bad Cloonrad run. Also, Diana still saying, “No Thank You,” to have a modern and memorable catchphrase like Superman and Batman. Meanwhile, we have the Wonder Girls (Donna, Cassie, and Yara) going on the Invisible Plane to rescue Diana. I like that they want to save Diana while having a friendly banter. The missed opportunity should’ve involved them talking to each other about how they became Wonder Girl, join the superhero teams, deal with romantic relationships and continuity problems, and team ups with Diana. Also, Yara is practically Diana’s Robin because sharing mantles and having a sibling bond. Overall, this comic is okay at best.
For the Super Sons backup, I thought it was wholesome for Jon and Damian to teach Lizzie how to fly a kite. Also, Jon telling Damian to learn about humility as an old chum because Damian is vengeance and night and Kite Man (Hell Yeah!) teaching Lizzie how to fly a kite. Overall, this is a good and wholesome backup!
To be fair to Tom King, Yara Flor being a moron is on point. Still his characterization of her only makes sense if this is Future State Yara Flor, specifically before she ever met Superman and was still pissing around in the jungle.
William Moulton Marston is rolling in his grave.
King’s Wonder Woman has been excellent so far. Really can’t understand the hate
I agree. This is the best Wonder Woman has been in at least a decade.
Despite being one of the main antagonists in the movie, I personally feel Doctor Poison is an underrated WW villainess. Wonder Woman seeks to save lives and promote peace while Doctor Poison seeks to spread death and create weapons of war. Why is she not considered WW’s arch-enemy instead of The Cheetah?
11:38- “…did we betray our heritage and surrender?!” What is this character even on about? I’m guessing this is supposed to be one of those “villain wraps himself in the American flag and acts like he’s defending some great principle to trick people” deals (Think Kingpin in Daredevil: Born Again), but either Tom King tried to make a grandiose villain speech & failed or he tried to satirize people who think they’re making grandiose speeches & failed.
Yeah, Tom King’s run on this book is pathetic. I’m a wonder woman fan, so I’m pretty much just hate reading this crap. Can’t wait for someone else to take over the title.
This is more proof that there are no editors in mainstream comics, how many series has King tanked? And he STILL gets jobs??
Why is anybody reading this to begin with?
Tom King is like Bob Haney on the spectrum. Haney played with continuity (especially in bronze-age Brave & the Bold) but...he didn't change the characters.
Helen of Wyndhorn and Animal Pound are great but Batman (later run) and Wonder Woman are really bad. Think Tom King is running into writer block with superheroes. He should quit the genre for a while and focus on indies.
I dont think he has writers block. I think he has a concept that he wants to explore, but it makes the actual super hero stories be relegated to the background. With Wonder Woman, it seems he's trying to explore different aspects of her character and the Sovereign story is just a backdrop to that. With Batman, he wanted to bring him to his lowest point and then have him rise back up to show that he's a person who will never give up.
These concepts are interesting to him so that's his main focus, for good or bad. I think that's why he's so polarizing. Some people like the concepts he explores and other people don't care for it.
My wallet is so happy that Dawn of DC is pretty much the opposite of Rebirth.
I do not understand the thing with Tom King. Basically he is a guy who does not understand characters. But he is a writer???
To paraphrase Yahtzee Crowshaw: He only has one tool in his toolbox and it is a sledgehammer that has "MELODRAMA" engraved on the handle.
Tom King should be banned from writing comics for life. Infantile nonsense and twitter propaganda.
Tom King forgot he is not writing an Adora-Cat-Ra slashfic for Netflix She-ra. :P
Stupid King of USA just lets Diana leave why exactly? And why are the Justice League letting Diana be treated like this??? Batman and Superman would have found her instantly.
He’s not ruining WW, it’s just really bad. I had to stop reviewing it.
I'm sorry but Wonder WomanxCheetah
??? 😒 🤦🏾♂️
Buckle up boys & girls because coming soon to a comic shop near you will be: BatmanxJoker
SupermanxLuthor
Barry Allen FlashxThawne Reverse Flash
And more! Aren’t you excited?!
Wonder Woman deserves better.
Tom Kings Vision was his peak. The rest has fell waaay off the cliff. I even hated his Mister Miracle book that everyone loved.
the trans-woman art doesn't help either
Is the jenny sparks comic hes writing going to be cannon? If so hes going to destroy captain atoms character and futures potential as a character. I mean whats new?
It’s going to be set in its own universe.
@@joshuaingobo1559 thank god
I keep forcing myself to read this run and it just gets worse. This issue made me cringe. Surely it cant get any worse 🤔🥴
No. I almost felt like wonder woman was going to kiss cheetah. Usually i "read" wonder woman for art.
0:21 wow what a great cover and artist wasted on such a shit writer
Even with the art, i got tired of everyone looking like a cousin of Gal gadot...if not Gal herself.
WTF? I gave up on Tom King during his terrible Batman run. The missed wedding was it. I've not read his books since. Heroes in Crisis should have been the end for me, but I stuck with him. Hoping. Nope. No more. I hate that he's still writing comics, trying to work out his personal issues. Ugh. See a therapist, Tom King
I am hoping he leaves the run soon. I hate this run.
I'm curious should i actually the miracle man and woman of tomorrow now?
I would, especially Mister Miracle... but nowadays I wouldn't pay for it.
You can like what you like. Don’t let an opinion sway you
@@shawnje3072 mr miracle is another pathetic beta husband with masculine wife
It’s like an incoherent nightmare.
Sounds like most (if not all) of Tom King's work.
I feel like he is writing 4 different stories at one time. Like he starts a story arc then doesnt finish it.
I’m gonna be silly for saying this I see Cheetah’s and Wonder Woman’s friendship like Naruto’s and Sasuke’s friendship
In a good way 😂
Fck no
james gunn is known for not knowing what a good story is
the script for Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was terrible
the script for his Suicide Squad movie was terrible
he makes his movies enjoyable with over-the-top action
😛🫵
Getting some severe Cheetara vibes off Cheetah. I"m trying not to turn into a furry.
Is there such a thing as a Tom King fan.
Grant Morrison Earth One and the main Wonder Woman book soon after the great Rucka Rebirth run were really, really bad... I haven't read the Tom King stuff but it sounds about par for the course with recent DC comics treatment of the character (if I actually read it maybe I would agree hands down worse but the bullet points sound about the same quality as Cloonrad, Earth One etc)
Y can't WW just fly off the island?
Currently reading Phil Jimenez run. Cool stories and excellent art that pays homage to George Perez
Have you read any of Brian Azerallo's runs?
@@richardajayi3194 No, not yet
this is right Most People online is co-signing this current run... i just wish they toss out that backstory
Wait West I'm reading Wonder Woman too because I'm trying to convince people that Wonder Woman is a good character but DC keeps proving my ass wrong every day with nonsense like this I like I swear Wonder Woman is a good character y'all but reading this garbage ass run and I'm like holy crap what is this garbage. I I don't know what time King is thinking I don't know what DC editors are thinking and honestly Daniel Siempre he got some good artwork but it feels so flat and the women you know they all look uninterested in anything he needs to start exaggerating their bodies or something because yes he has nice figures but they're so stiff and then where's their chest Wonder Woman the Wonder Girls cheetah these women don't have no chest on them I'm just trying to figure out whatever where it at. So not only do you have stiff art you have a boring non-sysical storyline for a major character which is a character that's part of the Trinity and I'm trying to convince people that I swear one woman is a good character but I don't know how much more I can deal with it I'm still reading it because I promise people I would read this and it's not because I'm a fan of Tom King it's cuz I'm a fan of Wonder Woman but this ain't working for me.
She's been a good character, in the past, so it IS possible
Yeah we know that but do DC and Tom know that@@keithmichael112
Wonder Woman stopped to be a good character many years ago.
@@EvandroACruz desdes los 2000 ahora es la que odia los hombres o el juguetito sexual de la liga de la justicia y la tercera metamorfosis la deprimida y madre y esposa de tom
Haha, I actually forgot there was a war between America and the Amazons in this book, that doesn't really seem to matter anymore to the plot.
Cheetah will eat Wonder Woman.
Axel Braun would probably make a movie about that.
It'd likely be more entertaining than anything written by Tom King too.
The true counter-culture way to portray Wonder Woman is she denouncing the pagan dead gods who use her as a pawn and becoming a lovely married housewife and mom.
That sounds just as ass 😭🙏🏻why would Diana become a housewife, she doesn't have the time for that
So horrible
I just think it’s hilarious that King still keeps getting top comics, just makes no sense. But yea the actual fans are even funnier, hard to believe these people really exist.
To be fair.. Mr. King wrote my fav Swamp Thing story, "Brave & the Mold". I know he's divisive but I also loved the 2 parter where Booster saves Bruce's parents.
I know I shouldn't have been, but I was shocked by the rat scene when I saw it on Twitter.
This is a perfect example of a few good ideas that could have made for an amazing story being poorly executed.
Tom King always seems to get good artists on his books. Stick him with horrible "artists" like Riley Rossmo or Erika Henderson it would scare off the people buying his book for the art. It will cancel his run more quickly than usual. All he'd be left with a handful of King fans who mostly pirate his comic & twitter bots he pays for to attack his critics.
I'm not reading WW. Thanks for letting me know it sucks.
We should have a countdown clock for when DC goes under.
Tom King writing trash?
Im shocked, I tell you!
SHOCKED!
Awesome work guys
The way you guys describe Tom King sounds like he's the Zack Snyder of comik books