Is Jujutsu Kaisen Too Complicated?
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- Опубликовано: 15 мар 2024
- Are the fights and abilities in Jujutsu Kaisen overly complicated?
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I can say for certain, I did not read Hakari's explanation.
7:20 The complaints of JJK being too wordy and being only about fights are NOT contradictory. The overall criticism is that JJK doesn't have many moments of downtime for the cast.
The series has a lot of fights with a massive amount of explanation as to why what the 2 fighters are doing doesn't break the rules of this universe's powersytem. But many people would prefer if some of those speech bubbles were used for... I don't know... Yuji and Megumi hanging out between arcs.
then the complaint must be corrected with breathing time for the reader cuz jjk has it's unique story and themes and ppl say fight only they misinform others as it doesn't hv depth in actuality it does
@@eyoeltesfay-tf4kltbh with you jjk only has themes its not that much of a deep show. plus just because the author dosent follow tropes dosent make a story good. It how well excuted and thought out it is. Plus most of jjks themes are done in other popular anime and done and excuted better in other anime. Also most of char are pretty one dimensional char with little development no dynamic with other nor any personality. Outside of higuruma and takaba in my opinion most of the char are souless hollow char with no personality. Look i love jjk but lets not pretend its deep and has that many layers of depth. Nor is the complaint invalid sense its a battle shounen
Also a true point
Pointless character interactions that add nothing to the themes of the series is what you want? Get that media literacy up
@@mominfaisal6521JJK is easily one of the most layered manga ever made. It's INSANELY DEEP and has some of the best character writing and themes you will ever witness. You're reading comprehension is so pathetically low you literally can't acknowledge the things that are literally place right in front of you.
The complexity is what I like about cursed energy and nen. I just like knowing the mechanics behind the power system
I can say for certain that as long as you know that if Hakari gets a jackpot he cant be killed the rest does not matter at all.
I feel like with jjk it's alot of "fake complexity" kind of like with the term "fake tension", cause alot of the time in jjk they'll be having this big description/inner dialogue explaining something that they did or explaining how something works, when it rly was just something simple like them throwing a punch but adding too much detail to it making it seem more complex/strategic then it actually is.
Feels like it's trying to be like series such as World Trigger, Battle in 5 sec, or Skeleton double with the strategic fights/planning without actually having any (for the most part)
You’re right. World trigger power system is complex for good reasons.
You got anymore anime recommendations? I love series like those
@@dondahighhh12 manga, anime or both? Cause I love these types of series as well and am always looking for more like em.
@@dondahighhh12 if you're just talking bout anime then there's World Trigger, and battle 5 seconds after meeting I mentioned prior, some other good ones that are similar that you may or may not have seen are"The Law of Ueki", Zatch Bell, undead unluck, Talentless nana, bungo stray dogs, and kaiji (tho the latter three arent/aren't as battle Shounen like.
Jjk is needlessly appealing to be complicated and thus wears down the reader at certain points..
Hxh has a complex power system and is very wordy but except the succession war it has never tired me or has been too difficult to understand.
Hxh has a complex power system but it isn’t used very well (to the extent of jjk)
If you want to see a series that’s paced better, look at chainsawman. Yes im serious. Sure, there’s chapters without much forward plot progression, BUT you never get needlessly drawn out power explanations that nobody cares about, and the chapters where the plot doesn’t progress much, are usually chapters with a ton of characterization, good moment to moment action/ comedy, or panels used to subtly show the shifts in characters mood or long pauses ETC (AKA taking advantage of the medium).
JJK is simultaneously too fast and too slow. It’s fights are bogged down by endless exposition, but the plot hardly ever moves an inch because there’s just so many fights. Characterization and development heavily suffer for this, just like they suffer when Gege kills a character who clearly has barely started to matter.
JJK is an extremely flawed series. But it’s still somewhat fun. I just don’t like when people pretend that it’s some literary masterclass. It’s narratively average at the very best. But IMO, it’s pretty below average in that regard
Yeah, you’re right. I like chainsaw man a lot better. It never feels like a chore when I’m reading it. Even slow parts are interesting to me and there’s no over explaining in the devils powers.
@@stevenbrown4001 yup, the devil powers are actually fantastic because they powescale themselves by just being as strong as the fear is represented in humanity. So many people can get a good idea about their power just by thinking about it, and also it engages the reader to consider what humanities fears are and why they’de be a more or less powerful devil. In my opinion it makes discussing devil power levels and theorizing on what fears could be powerful devils a whole lot of fun
Jujutsu Kaisen isn't even complicated if you actually take the time to read the esries you're consuming
It's just that Gege has neurodivergent brain so he often makes the most lengthy and long-winded explanation/way of explaining something
I can tell he has it because I have the same exact problem haha
Pretty much. Most of the power system can be explained on a few text.
I honestly feel crazy whenever I see people rant about how complicated JJK is. I just don't see it to the degree so many people apparently do. I'm nowhere near the shining example of intelligence but after a couple of re-reads, I don't find the power system any more complex than Nen. The problem is that most people just dont read.
@@SolidSnake240 it not re read. It that gege goes overboard with explaining.stuff which can be explained in a few dialogue. Also kind of gonna be harsh but jjk is a power system where you don't need to re read it to understand. Most of the fights usually clear it up. If you needed multiple re read to understand it then I think you found it complicated
No, the problem is that people don’t know how to read. If you’re someone that reads hundreds of chapters of something and drops it because of a comically detailed explanation then that’s a personal problem, not a problem with the quality of the work.
Its unnessesarily complicated thats the issue. The writer always tries to make things sound deeper than it actually is and thats annoying... but the exposition is the worst offender. Overall good series.
It's the type of unnecessarily verbose crap that your highschool English teacher would bust over. The system isn't complicated, the explanations make it appear complicated.
Still kinda like cursed energy as a power system but that crap irritates me to no end.
Now wait till the jjktards read this and use thier favourite 2 lines since gojover.
" Are you mad and crying bc its gojover? "
" dont read if u lack reading comprehension "
😂😂😂
exactly. *unnecessarily* complicated
but for me, the reason is a lot more simple: it's in the ubiquitous use of the word/term *CURSE*
the rest is not that bad
@@personanonmaga5178Oh my God don't even get me started on curse, maybe it's different in Japanese, but I can't imagine writing that word a million times per chapter. It's insane.
Literally, this is almost word for word what I told someone else. The writer tries too hard and that’s the problem with it at times.
It's not complicated. It's complex. Very very important difference. (And I wouldn't even say it's all that complex either if you have basic reading comprehension skills.)
"Complicated" usually carries the connotation of something simple being made confusing or difficult to understand on purpose. "Complex" refers to something that, by its nature, has a lot of nuance and moving parts and requires a bit more intellectual investment to fully unpack. You can usually tell which it is by how you tend to feel when you finally and fully understand the thing. If by the end of understanding something you think something along the lines of "Really? That's it? Then why didn't he just say that?", then usually the thing was complicated. If instead you end up thinking, "Yo! This is so dope! I didn't think it could work that way, but now I see how.", then usually it's complex. I tend to get the latter vibes from JJK
Its not the fact that its complicated. It that gege kind goes over board and makes the explaint way to long and hard to understand. Plus jjk system is not very complex. Its pretty straight foward. Its not like alchemy,negators and rule or nen.
That's not even my problem, mine is half the time i don't know what's going on in mangas, it's so bad that i just conjure up fight scenes in my head to fill in the blanks
Black and white style is cooking my sense of perception in these comics
Definitely a personal problem.
Definition of a skill issue
It’s pretty simple and self-explanatory what’s going on
@@gabrielsalahi3656 and I'm fine with not having that kind of skill there's better skills to have anyway, so how about trying to help me out before getting to trash talk
@@Latentheatfussion There’s no helping your reading comprehension. That’s all you
@@gabrielsalahi3656 comprehension?........ when did i say i couldn't read
It isnt complicated tbh its just alot of people now days have reading capability problems and thier intention spam is really short
Right and the inability to comprehend stuff without complaining about how hard it is to understand it
People make it more complicated than it actually is. People just dont like to read. I've literally seen them all over twitter and ig say they just skip the exposition. Idk, i just don't get this complaint to be honest.
Gege 🤝🏾 Togashi
Creating extremely complicated power systems with unnecessary, long winded explanations
Hey tagashi laid a good groundwork with hisoka basically dumping hownm the types for specialisation and the basic nen use, And goes from there.
I dont think gege has a solid ground to do that stuff on, if negative energy is interesting. The only times when tagasi went where i would say, bro its a light novel, better for your health and its not having the prior balance of decent show and tell, is the whale arc. But before its pretty good balance.
Also characters yiou care about, tagashi isnt murderhappy about characters you care about allowing a rooster of likable hunter characters to come back, that reader already know even lke. Which gege does not really, and current hunters arc has still that characters.
And you can trust tagashi not to be unnessesary murderhappy.
But it’s not complicated tho. That’s just you being dumb
I agree the nen ten blablabla explanations were confusing but he kind of threw away the other terms and just kept everything as “nen”, thus making it easier to understand
Simple to understand but has a lot of depth. The PERFECT approach from Gege. He is so much better than everyone right now. It's actually crazy. Like there are LEVELS to this shit and he is showing them very clearly.
I feel like Jujutsu Kaisen's explanations are like filler episodes, *they never get to the point.*
I love the complexity of the jjk power system, that’s what got me hooked to the anime in the first place. Not many authors put that much thought and detail into their power system. Jjk is a rarity
No way it's too wordy or complicated. I think it just puts too much stock into smaller details, and then when a character gets killed the reader would likely feel as if that time was wasted. Like HxH has literal pages dedicated to word bubbles explaining nothing. JJK does not come close to that.
Yes. It's literally my #1 complaint about it.
It’s complicated?
Where are people getting this idea from…Hakari’s ability ISNT EVEN COMPLICATED if you ever played the game it’s based off of
Oh no- there’s a culture gap for ONE ability
Even tho it simplifies down to “either he lands a jackpot or he doesn’t” not hard
arent emotions complicated? no two ppl express their emotions the same so the powers cant b the same
I'm a huge fan of HxH, so the wordy parts and some abilities being explained at times doesn't bother me, and I like reading that stuff actually
I thought it was a bit of comedy when it is built into the system that they have to explain their abilities cliche anime/manga style to get its maximum effects.
too complicated for 70% of the readers/viewers :D
A character's powers should be unique but the readers would be able to understand it
At the risk of sounding like an elitist, I think for a lot of people that say JJK is "too complicated" is because they haven't read as much manga. While series like JJK, HxH, and even Undead Unluck have complicated power systems and fights, others like DBZ, BC, and to an extent MHA (minus certain Deku fights) are much more simple. So people's expectation on what a battle shonen can be (along with individual preferences) skewed in what they see as complex. The reason I said "manga" rather than battle shonen for my initial statement is there are manga out there that are way wordier and more complex. World Trigger has whole arcs (like the current one) that's much more battle tactics than fights and with deceptively simple power system that has much more depth than initially presented. Its so heavily characters explaining things to each other. As a fan psychological series like Death Note & Tomodachi Game both complexity and wordiness is much more than a standard battle shonen. One of my favorite niche series, Battle Game in 5 seconds, has the protagonist ability be "whatever the other person thinks it is". As you can imagine the fights get intricate with that alone. So I really think people just need to read more manga.
I think the problem isnt that. Atleast the ones you mentioned and jjk system is kind if different in a sense. UU and hxh system have a very basic groundwork which you can understand. Using that ground work the series power system becomes more complex but it still easy to understand because its used a basic ground work to help you understand.
Jjk system is not complicated nor is it very complex. Its pretty straight foward to understand. The problem is gege kind of goes over board with explaining stuff making long paragraphs and pages. This can lead to confusion and ppl not understanding stuff if you know what i mean
@@mominfaisal6521 I’ll give you that the ground work for HxH is more solid. Even World Trigger has that too. (UU is debatable since it’s interpretation based & the series itself follows rule of cool a lot). But as Ouji said in the video explanations don’t really take anything away from the fights as even a basic understanding is good enough. Plus as I was saying in my original comment there are series with much more in depth explanations & exposition.
@@partyjams I understand and fully agree. I disagree with uu since it started as a rule of cool but had set the ground works for it and later on in the manga build upon it to be complex.plus most of the ability are explained in one lines. Even complex ones due it's power system being built from the ground up
@@mominfaisal6521 guess we'll have to agree to disagree there since I still feel UU adds things cause it's cool. Just has enough set up to make it feel somewhat natural now.
@@partyjams alr no worrys
5:46 i lost every single ounce of respect for this video after you said that.
I don’t think the fights are complicated but they are technical..something I personally look for in Shonen. But context and complications matter so if you want to fully understand a series those are things to not overlook.
For me, JJK is not complicated, it's messy. There is no investments into the characters, the curse abilities are pretty easy to understand if you ignore most of the exposition (I really mean that). The series isn't for me, but I also am having a hard time figuring out who it is for.
it's not too complicated, it's just explained really badly.
i've always found maths and physics easier than most and i can normally wrap my head around difficult concepts. i also read alot, and despite my dyslexia, i did very well in english at school. but after a certain point i never had a clue what was happening in jjk's fights despite reading the explanations
some things are just written very poorly. i only got stuck on a line once or twice when reading lord of the rings, but one of my physics textbooks was written so badly i never once processed a single word of it and would get stuck multiple times a paragraph. the explanations in jjk are written like that textbook
obviously my dyslexia exasperates this issue, but it's definitely not just a problem with reading comprehension, people skipping explenations or people being too dumb to understand
It’s not cmplicated but Gege is bad at explaining it
The anime? No, its easy to follow
The manga, YES. not enough people talk about how the art is hard to read
Some things are just stupid like black flash being to the power of 2.5. If itadori can throw a csr his black flash should be planet busting but it clearly doesnt do that
The Sukuna vs Kashimo fight was a joke because it was paragraphs of explanation for Kashimo's Mythic Beast Amber and Sukuna was just stronger because he had two extra arms and an extra mouth. Sukuna beat the shit out of him and won yes he's stronger, but there was so much exposition for 2 chapters and got beat by what everybody else has just doubled.
It isnt complicated per se but the expositions and the like are typically long winded, contain points that didnt need to be mentioned and the many translation problems it has had to deal with. Another issue is people's own lack of proper understanding of the series' original terms and what they do exactly like RCT, domains and the like.
The thing about these long winded, wordy explanations is that they can hold fake importance to the readers. If you see a panel or even a whole page dedicated to just dialogue, you're likely going to try and treat is as something worth actively remembering, when really, it could just be an overly detailed description of a punch.
JJK isn't complicated it's just explained extremely detailed and translation doesn't help understand it better
I've heard people echo this sentiment of JJK being complicated. I personally don't think it is, I had no trouble understanding the themes and powersystem in the series, but I was also told I was an anomaly in that regard 😂😂. I think two of the things that help me are that I watch in dub, and I don't mind rewinding and rereading certain things and looking them up.
Some people dont like to reread things and dont have the time so i can see how it can be bothersome for them.
@@aritrasaha441 And that's the essence of the problem.
Its not the fact that it hard to understand. It is even if you dont re read it. Its that gege makes them confusing by giving it a long overly complicated text to explain. Plus never have i heard anyone say jjk theme are hard to understand. They are pretty straight foward and told in the story itself.
most people who say it is complicated are those that does not have experience to those kind of topics and Folcks from slice of life or those whose experience of reading writing which are straight forward or those who don't give much attention
The plot is pretty simple that ultimately goes back to the shonen trope of needing to punch the bad guy harder. The main appeal of the series isn't really the story or characters, but all the unique and creative abilities that the characters have and how they're used in action, that's where all the complexity resides.
the story is actually not simple it tackles lots of topics that even in the modern days are mandatory. Like being on top and the loneliness that comes with it , selfishness vs selflessness , sacrifice , understanding and stigmatism
Yeah, most of it comes from the 1st few chpts, Geto & the Sukuna/Gojo duality. Also Higuruma n maybe Takaba, if you care. The powers r hard to follow for ppl as well.
@@eyoeltesfay-tf4kl...not new. These themes have been dealt with before and well too.
@@eyoeltesfay-tf4klnot even close to new or mordern or unique. Instead these theme are usally pretty over used and jjk executes theme pretty meh
Jjk is tamed compared to hxh
But yes, the gojo vs sukuna fight was pretty wordy and kind dragged at points. But i didn't like it anyway so could be biased against it tho
Also, i believe there was no other way around hakari's de. Isn't gambling/pachinko machines frowned upon in japan? So ig the editors told gege to not just outright say what hakari's de really is. Could be wrong tho
I was abt to say Gege could've just said the game, n ppl could look up how it works (if they care), but I didn't know it was frowned upon in jp. It makes more sense now.
Gege is super wordy, but sucks at explaining things... How does that work? 😅
I do have a little issue with the way the power system is portrayed as I mean in the beginning it was like a bunch of final bosses vs like level ones I remember Jogo getting violated by Gojo and had no idea he was strong as he was compared to Gojo and would it kill them to focus more on character development the could have tried to make Geto’s arc more tragic by hiving more justifiable reasons and focus more on his perspective as he compèred himself to Gojo and even itadori by talking about how he liven with his streak and some of the difficulties instead of just rushing
I feel like most of the time you can understand the fights without the long explanation, seeing the characters powers in action is enough to understand it more often than not. I still think it's pretty cool to have in depht explanations of the powers tho
This is way i hate shonen
JJK is very simple actually
It’s on a middle of the simple to advanced
Answer: yes
Overhyped? Yes
It’s more the writing than the power system.
Hunter x Hunter is just 10x better writing. I mean, I think the Chimera Ant arch (for example) has an restless, eerie vibe throughout, setting the tone. Tone is pretty consistent and builds upon its tension. It follows both the main characters and the growth of the ants with perfect pacing. When they finally collide, every fight, perspective, and encounter makes sense. The villains are so well-developed that (if you’re me, at least), you’re crying for Meruem at the end of the arch. That’s good writing. Jjk doesn’t have the same emotional weight because the writing doesn’t have enough foundation, buildup, and layers. It doesn’t matter how complicated things are imo if the foundation and pacing is there. The pacing is hella off with jjk.
And there might be foundation to the plot, but every backstory is used as a shocking reveal later, so the info you’re getting is so patchy and all over the place.
Bleach is also really more complicated than people think. But they rather talk as if Ichigo's power up is just asspulls after another.
Guys, Bleach is relatable
Also ichigo is a surprising good character, whose drama just isnt given more time, or that would be clearer.
@@marocat4749i mean it is its that its rushed due to kubos health.
It’s overly wordy for wtf it is- a series of nothing but fights.
One piece can get wordy too, but it works there cause OP has so many different moving parts. Not so with Jjk . It’s literally nothing but 1v1s. So its wordy nature is overkill for the type of story it’s trying to be.
I can't recall anything important to know in OP that was revealed in a lore book and not within the actual story.
But honestly, I don't think your arguments actually did much to dispel the criticisms. Namely that it tends to be too complicated and tends to be just fights. There is a level of unnecessary complexity to fights, and the fact that you said you can skim and still understand them proves the point that all the words and explanations are entirely frivolous and overdone. And your segment about teh current HxH arc and how it gets into details about all the different factions and groups while I agree with, i think most people would rather explanations be able people or to enhance the world building and story than to just be explaining a fight. The former has ramifications in making the world seem more "real" and lived in, while the latter is only relevant to the current fight and stops being afterwards
The thing is, the way JJK fans imagine it to be is the way HxH actually is
The system is pretty fresh and fun to think about