This Russian Scientist Said Jesus Was The First Communist
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- I made a documentary feature-length film about America's reaction to the launch of Sputnik in 1957. It is titled "Sputnik Mania". I was fortunate to get premier Soviet premier Khrushchev's son, SergeiKhrushchev to be part of my film. This is a portion of his interview. To seek more, search the word "Sputnik" on my RUclips channel.
Here is a film that I made on "The Sputnik Moment" -
• This Russian Scientist...
Sergei Khrushchev was born in Moscow in1935, the son of Nikita Khrushchev, the Premier of the Soviet Union.
Sergei pursued an engineering career. He contributed significantly to the Soviet space and missile programs during the Cold War. He was involved in designing cruise missiles for submarines, spacecraft, and satellites.
Sergei had a close relationship with his father. He often accompanied his father and witnessed many significant historical events.
Nikita Khrushchev was a prominent leader during a pivotal time in Soviet history, overseeing major events like the launch of Sputnk, the Cuban Missile Crisis and the introduction of de-Stalinization policies. Sergei's proximity to his father allowed him to witness these events up close and understand the complexities of Soviet politics.
In various interviews and writings, Sergei Khrushchev discussed the Soviet Union's stance on religion, which was largely atheistic and promoted secularism. Nikita Khrushchev himself was a staunch atheist, and under his leadership, the Soviet government continued policies aimed at reducing the influence of religion in public life.
Regarding Jesus, Sergei Khrushchev acknowledged the cultural and historical significance of religious figures like Jesus, even if he personally did not hold religious beliefs. He often spoke about the need to understand historical and cultural contexts when discussing religion, rather than focusing solely on doctrinal aspects.
In one interview, Sergei Khrushchev mentioned that his father viewed religion as a tool of the ruling classes to control the masses, which was a common Marxist perspective. However, Sergei also noted that his father's policies on religion were part of a broader attempt to modernize and secularize Soviet society.
Sergei Khrushchev's views on the Soviet Union evolved over time. Initially, he was a product of the Soviet system and contributed to its technological advancements. However, after moving to the United States in 1991, Sergei provided a unique perspective on the Soviet Union's political and social systems. He often contrasted the advantages and disadvantages of the Soviet and American systems, offering a balanced view rather than outright condemnation or praise.
In 1991, Sergei emigrated to the United States, where he became a U.S. citizen in 1999. He worked as a senior research fellow at the Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs at Brown University, where he focused on the history of the Cold War, missile defense, and the Soviet Union’s political and military history.
Sergei Khrushchev passed away on June 18, 2020.
Sergei Khrushchev reflected on Sputnik, which marked the beginning of the space age and the intense competition between the Soviet Union and the United States during the Cold War. He noted the political implications of the launch, emphasizing how it showcased the Soviet Union’s technological prowess to the world and shifted the global perception of the USSR as a scientific and engineering superpower. The launch of Sputnik was a source of immense pride for the Soviet Union and demonstrated its capabilities during a time of intense rivalry with the United States.
They weren’t lying when they said every religious group tried claiming Jesus.
A really good dude when it was all on the line
Mr. Khrushchev is mistaken. Jesus was not the first Communist, as Pythagoras lived over 500 years before.
Yes, that is true. The Pythagorean order shared many communist principles. Sadly, his admonishment against eating beans was left by the wayside.
Perfect timing, I just finished listening to a podcast detailing the torture and mass murder of thousands of Orthodox priests at the hands of the Soviets :P
And then his followers committed countless atrocities in his name lol
This is going back in time and applying modern ideas to past Heroes just so they can sound better than they actually are
Wrong.
And Ill point out the massive difference;
One is taking/ruling by FORCE.
The other is choosing willful sacrifice.
I know. It's blasphemy
Do the things that are prescribed ...or go to hell. If you believe in that Christian principle, than the choice boils down to: obey or be damned. That's not that different from: obey or go to the gulag.
Now of course, Christianity would have you internalize the message of the gospel and obey willingly, gladly even, without the need for threats. But then again, so would Communism.
I think communism pretty much always and Christianity sometimes ends up authoritarian in practice but ideologically they are both about willful cooperation.
If it's by force then it isn't communism. Just as molesting choir kids isn't Christianity.
He may be smart in some ways but he was pretty ignorant if he thought communism didn't start until Jesus was around! lol But the USSR wasn't a communist nation anyway. That was the claim, that they'd be a classless society where there would not be a wealthy class, but we know that never happened, not even close. The Bolsheviks would establish communist parties but every time they would grow beyond local entities they'd be met with challenge. People wanted the idea that one day if they worked hard enough they wouldn't just be secure, they'd be better off than their neighbor. Communism didn't lead to the destruction, it was NOT fully developing it in to a communist state and allowing the call of capitalism let their state socialism weaken.
I'd say Plato was just as much a communist as Jesus, which wasn't much of a communist at all because they both favored a strong "head of state" who ultimately ruled with an iron fist.
He's mistaken. Pythagoras lived 500 years before Jesus.
I enjoyed your documentary "The Sputnik Moment" and reading your description write up David. I find it interesting that Sergei Khrushchev refer Jesus Christ as the first communist. Thanks David Hoffman fir this clip from your documentary.
I mean in a sense yes. Russia was profoundly affected by the Orthodox church. It is very intertwined with society for good or for ill.
True, but he certainly didn't advocate for how Communism turned out, with all the oppression. They twisted it up real good!
Thankfully, Russia is Orthodox, even after the horrors of communism. What you fail to realize, however, is that it wasn't Christians who brought communism to Russia.
Communism was founded by a German guy. Marx also said religion is the opium for the masses, so communism is anti christ.
The Russian people may have been profoundly affected by the Orthodox Church. The Communist Party of the Soviet Union, on the other hand, actively tried to destroy it.
@@StephanieJeanneAmericans stay projecting lol
really funny how certain Christians pretend all the time Jesus didn't really mean the thing about the camel and the needle. could not get any more clear than that really...
Well, who am I to argue with science.
But if I were to argue against it, I'd argue that he probably wasn't the first with that ideology.
Correct. Even if we accept the notion that Jesus was a communist (and I think arguments can be made on both sides, honestly), the Essenes were already established well before Jesus' ministry.
Then why did/do they shun and even ban religion.
he seized the means of damnation
Well, if Jesus Christ was alive today and if he preached the poor need to be saved, they would call him a communist.
Ahh no they wouldn’t.
Yeah, well he was wrong there!
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Right, just because he said that doesn't make him God.
I agree with the scientist
Well, if you look at what Jesus actually taught about the rich and what they should do with their wealth (give it all away) if they want to get into heaven? The Russian wasn't entirely wrong.
He wasn't wrong at all. There's no other political system he would have been a part of. I am laughing at all these people getting so offended in their denial, like communism means something dirty and evil. Not surprising how conditioned people are they have no clue what communism even is. But if you look at the very basic framework of a communist society, what Jesus was encouraging of his followers, that was a very basic form of communism. In fact throughout history after Jesus there have been MANY Christian communes across Europe.
Yes, he was also the first Muslim according to Muslims.
No, no, they claim everyone morally significant, right up to Adam, was a Muslim. They ain't the brightest bulbs.
Pasolini made a movie with the same idea
That’s Bat Shit Crazy!!!!!
Pretty interesting to learn a little bit about a different place or Russia the Soviet Union. They’re really trying to prove a point this time around, though they lost the war. I think that that’s why they’re trying to get Ukraine back in you know get the stuff back that’s territorial of the Soviet Union.
" Los enemigos del comercio"
Triligy by Antonio Escohotado
Yes!
Jesus drove a tank into Jerusalem, chased the money-changers and then built a brick wall in front of the temple.
Yes, Jesus was an agrarian communist. That seems like an utterly uncontroversial fact. Have you read the new testament? I do not know where this new "supply side Jesus" came from, but it must have started around the Cold War.
Communism is godless and therefore evil. Christ was the opposite of that.
Jesus wasn’t a political figure he was a spiritual leader. His command was live on what you need and give freely, not live on what you need and force others into your ideology. Jesus’s commands are beyond the politics of man, it was about personal dedication to God not social dedication to the state. Jesus wasn’t capitalist neither.
Have you read the book... Who Wrote The New Testament. The making of the Christian Myth by Burton L. Mack?
@@justusgrenier263 Jesus was complicated. His message evolved over the course of his ministry. And I'm not sure how anyone can argue that Jesus was against using force to impose his teachings, given that whole incident in which he whipped the money changers at the Temple.
@@justusgrenier263 It doesn't matter if he was a political leader, what he promoted as a leader of men the antithesis of capitalism and what you just described is actually communism's foundational principle.
I know it's hard to see if you're a Christian and you've been taught communism is some evil and that Jesus is part of the triune godhead, but as far as historical reference goes, Jesus was the head of a group he established and his commands were quite communist in principle.
Jesus leaned libertarian if anything, he was against stealing. he was for voluntarism and community.
Of course what he didn’t grasp is that every government has told its citizens that they will make things fair for everyone. When has a govt succeeded?
Fair point. Might as well never try to improve society !
@@modusoperandi4769 I work on this everyday and been doing so for 7 decades. I’m still waiting for David or someone to point to a govt that has truly evened the scales in our modern world, and men over women doesn’t count. You’ve not listed one. And by the way what are you doing with your life? What’s a modus operandi doing?
Ahistorical nonsense.
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@@RAEckart22 Don’t be afraid. Scandinavia has variations of a democratic constitutional monarchy. Not communist or fascist. It’s not the type of govt, it’s the manner in which they have mistreated their citizens. Are all persons treated with equanimity? No type of govt has done so thus far. We could name the govt “Perfect” and it wouldn’t matter. Why do humans settle for less than fairness to all persons? That’s the underlying question.
Jesus said, and was no such thing (as espousing communism). Jesus came to Earth to offer Salvation and eternal life in the Third Heaven to those who accepted him as their Lord and Savior. These sons of famous men (in this case son of Soviet Prime Minister Nicholas Khrushchev) always come out half baked. 🤣
He was certainly more communist than capitalist.
Jesus was also the son of a famous man so this tracks given the fact that he was obviously a nutjob.
In theory, Communism is benevolent and kind. But in practice, it has never been such.
Maybe if your entire historical background is shaped by a capitalist society like the US, sure that might be true. But bias against objective truth is never the truth, is it
Much like the Church.
In theory, everyone has equal economic rights under capitalism.
No society has ever completed the transition from socialism to communism, so that's a pretty weird assessment.
Just like capitalism. 😂
Thanks!
Thank you.
David Hoffman filmmaker
Jesus was never a communist. To suggest such things is Heresy.
you misspelled ridiculous
Only because it wasn't called communism back then. It was called being Christian.
All right but you gotta get over it.
Of course, everyone knows that the word "communist" is a slur for liberal.
The communist system for leading and governing a nation is good as long as there is no greed and the leader must be eternal or not replaced because if you change leaders who have a different vision, mission, nature and character then the communist government will be damaged and there will be a lot of corruption that will destroy sovereignty of the state and nation
Jesus was a socialist.
He saved his worst criticism for money lenders and the corruption of temple for commerce.
Give that which is caesars, back to caesar
ah yes, that is the right take. Socialist is accurate.
The church also was the number one promoter of socialism in the US. The movement was called the social gospel.
Jesus was never communist lol!
Except for all that love and forgiveness stuff
Yeah he'd have had to exist in the first place
no, he was a socialist.
Jesus was not crucified for wanting to redistribute wealth. He did not advocate the use of government power to redistribute wealth via legalized plunder and the threat of imprisonment. Claiming that Jesus was a socialist/communist goes to show that socialism is a theocracy
I enjoyed the interview, though.
@@GregoryTheGr8ster Socialism and especially Communism aren't about governments they are alternatives to the capitalist system of private ownership of the means of production and distribution by the wealthy owner in favor of the workers controlling the means of production democratically of course in practise in the USSR the Worker had no actual power over the Soviet state in fact the modern top down state is antithetical to the hypothetical Communist society where the all powerful state the all powerful class structure and the all powerful currency don't exist where society is ruled by direct democracy
What you described in the first half is Communism. But what Jesus really was is a Socialist.
He saved his worst criticism for money lenders and the corruption of temple for commerce.
Give that which is caesars, back to caesar
Except Jesus believed in God
A lot of religious cope in these comments
It's hilarious because he obviously did not read the bible or he is willfully deceiving. Jesus and Paul were very clear that we are not all equal and that we will all serve different roles in His Kingdom when he returns. A multitude of five thousand voluntarily laid their posessions at the feet of the apostles after the crucifixion as a show of faith. God struck down two who lied because their witholding showed deception in their proclaimed faith. There is no doctrine of forceful redistribution of wealth in the world at large in the New Testament. Jesus wants you to come willingly. He said do not be of this world. He said worry not for what clothes you wear or what food you eat. He didnt say you were owed your worldly due and he'll make sure the kings get it to you. Satan always turns things into their opposite.
Any kingdom or institution that takes Life Away from Others - in HiS name is the Kingdom of Darkness.
One thing for certain the give money to get money message of this day n age sure isn’t what he taught.
He taught - living for money and material things and self
-interferes with connecting to humanity and Loving the Father with all your heart.
So he was a communist!