Ranking EVERY Venom Adaptation
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We ranked every single Venom that was ever created! THATS RUGHT ALL OF THEM! Which was your favorite?
Post your list in the comments!
Spider-Man fans: This is the most comic accurate adaptation.
Also Spider-Man fans: Comic accuracy doesn't matter, it's a different universe.
They are fake fans.
I think comic accuracy doesn’t matter IF THE TAKE YOU ARE DOING IS GOOD
Take Alfred Molina Doc Ock. One of the best takes on Doc Ock ever. Alfred Molina was great. He wasn’t a very comic accurate Doc Ock. But it’s okay because he is such a good take on Doc Ock with a lot of depth
@@LEVIticusPHENOMexactly
I don’t need one to one. I just need core or something slightly and I’ll enjoy the rest.
I get excited for accuracy but I don’t require it to be perfect
@@LEVIticusPHENOM bro I swear. This was the weirdest way of ranking them. IMO Ranking based on comic accuracy is not interesting at all. I would MUCH prefer to see what someone thinks of all these adaptations based on the writing, personality, and how much they enjoyed it.
Venom is easily one of the most memorable characters from the original Marvel VS Capcom games
Right??? He was so cool in those games!
The reason venom in the venom movie doesn’t have any design on him, is because he’s never met spider man so he can’t get inspiration for patterns on him from him.
Hes or she riagth
@@Vertigo97 he also sucks
@@thegreatacolyt1277 I think he’s fine
@@Vertigo97 nah
@@thegreatacolyt1277 the first one was funny. And the second one isn’t that bad.
I think Insomniac's Venom was disappointing. The design and voice acting are incredible but the character and story integration is very weak. On the surface he's Venom, he talks like Venom, he looks like Venom but deep down we know that couldn't be further from the truth.
Someone in the comment section of one of the many Insomniac Venom videos mentioned that his character felt like the opposite of Venom. I mean:
- Has no real beef with Spider-Man (yeah, Spider-Man was a host of Venom, but when the symbiote returned to Harry they kind of just... gloss over him).
- Apparently helps Knull now? (Edit: Spider Dunk at 2:59 mentions that his motive was to take over the world. And yeah, when did he want that?)
- Is serious the whole time. Maybe I'm remembering wrong and Insomniac Venom cracked a joke at some point, but I remember comic Venom being one of the people that can quip as much as Spidey does. Insomniac Venom just doesn't have the same feel.
That symbiote didn't feel like he was Venom at all. A shame really, because Insomniac's first game was stellar in its storytelling.
Ikr like damn people overrate him too much and say he's the best venom adaptation like bro he's not that great 💀
@@MissRandomNomad0ocould not have put it better
Right! Surface level he’s S tier, but actual character and motivations are F tier
But what about ultimate venom who barely got any time to shine
Ultimate Venom actually first appeared in the comics in 2003. The game came out 2 years later.
Yeah idk why he said that, in the first cutscene they are showing the adapted comic
11:40 that is incorrect, Ultimate Venom's introduction was in issue 35 of Ultimate Spider-Man in 2003, where the game released in 2005. The game even recaps the first Ultimate Venom comic arc at the very beginning of the game
yeah Peter fighting Venom in rain in civilian clothes, that part was in the game
I think Insomniac Venom lowkey had good intentions. He inherited his motive from Harry and Peter, “heal the world”. But since his only exposure to “healing” is when he latched onto those two to save them from dying, that’s what he tries to do to everyone worldwide. I’m probably wrong here but that’s how I interpreted it.
Thats exactly why he did it. Its a perfect motive because Venom is still TECHNICALLY being a hero. So this dudes point that he just “wanted to take over the world” doesnt make sense. Harry Osborn was not Venom in 616, it was Eddie Brock who already hated Spider-Man and wanted nothing but to surpass him. Insomniac Venom doesnt care about that, it just wants to cure the world from any disease, pain, or damage that they could ever be caused. He was a hero he just did it the wrong way.
Also he killed Kraven because Harry still sees Peter as his best friend, and Kraven actually killed Peter temporarily. So it makes sense for Harry to want to kill Kraven. Additionally, it’s also proven that the symbiote can bring people back to life in the game, so any of the soldiers he potentially killed in the Oscorp tower he could of just brought back to life.
so why is everyone becoming mindless monsters suddenly? when Harry had the Symbiote he was fine and safe
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Kinda hard to explain but I’ll try. The infected civilians likely became mindless because Venom didn’t infect them directly like he did with MJ. They were pretty much given one prime operative; “heal” (infect) as many people as possible. As for why the symbiote was chill in the beginning with Harry and became a monster later, it’s because it inherited traits from Harry and Peter. That rage Harry felt when Kraven killed his best friend moved onto it. All the stress and fear that Peter was feeling throughout the story was passed onto it. Then the feelings of rage and betrayal that both Harry AND the symbiote felt towards Peter kinda culminated into Venom at the end.
@@everythinghurts5853 I think it’s a brilliant take on the misguided hero trope and it’s done so subtly that not even the characters in universe seem to realize it. It’s not the most accurate adaptation of Venom, but it’s arguably the most accurate and faithful depiction of the symbiote and how it behaves
@@theamazingspooderman2697it’s a hivemind, whilst the root focuses on developing a tree the branches do only one purpose… grow
FYI, Spectacular DIDN'T have a redemption plan for him at all, or at least a confirmed one. The closest thing we'll ever get to season 3 (the Spectacular Spider-Man/Gargoyles Radio Play written by Greg Weisman) had him as a villain, and even working on the same team as Carnage, even if they didn't interact with each other much.
Yes he did
I will defend Topher’s Venom because like the comic, Eddie views himself as the good guy when the bad situation he finds himself in is his own fault. Their are other things I love about Tophers Venom, but I get that he is still very different from the original comic book.
Spider-Man 3 venom will always be my favorite !!!
He literally has a line that says "I like being bad. I makes me happy" wtf are you on about ?
ahh a fellow spiderman 3 enojoyer, nifce to see ya
naw, he's just selfish.
@Gandolfix yeah and especially I...... its we not I as much as I love spiderman 3 that venom was not venom he was build like carnage .... imagine a carnage movie directed by Sam raimi
For me the tas venom is the best, the way they build Eddie downfall through the episodes till the alien costume part was amazing, and of course Hank Azaria did an amazing job as both venom and Eddie, not also to mention that they made Eddie Brock Peter's competitive partner in the daily bugle making all other venom adaptations take inspiration from this one , except insomniac(that's why it's trash 😭)
Insomniac venom is one of the best ones
Hey I won’t disagree with that pick there he’s an incredibly depiction of the character. The backstory is arguably better than the comics too.
I just wish he had a bit more silliness to him lmao
It was Spectacular for me
Spec
It's not trash
I enjoyed Insomniac Venom but I do agree with most of your criticisms. I think it's good to stray away a little from the 616 universe. Adds variety. But I think this Venom may have gone offroad a little too much.
Design, voice acting. Everyone basically agrees this is superb. His breakout and Kraven fighting scene was 10/10. I personally liked the idea of Harry being Venom here. That may be a hot take, but I think Harry was applied well here.
But his motivations were a little inconsistent. He wanted to heal the world with Peter (and I get the healing the world part, with the symbiote morphing Harry’s ambitions) but he also hated Peter, both Harry and the symbiote. I do like the web of shadows approach, but such a cataclysm felt a little rushed at the end. The first game and this game had the highest stakes in a relatively short part near the end. I don’t think Venom necessarily needs to be the guy that threatens the whole city. He is fine just threatening Spider-Man. I think the final boss was little too stretched out, with a little too much back and forth. I’m not a fan of the wings, personally. I do not mind Venom not using webs, just using tendrils and it’s fine that spider sense works on him for gameplay reasons. I also adore the pure evil route Insomiac took him on. I just love the dark gritty tentacle monster that represents the worst of Peter Parker’s Spider-Man. The darker, the better. I’m not too much of a fan of the lethal protector side of him.
Definitely agree on almost all of this!
I think if they wanted to make Venom better in terms of motivation but still being able to do their own thing with him, I think they should have given Harry better reasons to hate Peter for real and believe that only he can heal the world. Maybe he thinks only he is able to do it and that Peter is only doing it for selfish reasons. And of course lower stakes would be preferred. I generally dislike the whole symbiote invasion thing, because 1. It’s already been done in a game before and 2. I just don’t think it fits Insomniac’s Venom, I don’t think it fits most Venoms overall but logically this is a stunt that the Lizard pulls, not Harry. I think it would have been vastly more interesting if they took the approach of Harry “healing the world” via being a “better” Spider-Man, going after criminals that have been reformed and maybe even going after Norman Osborn near the end of the game. I like the idea here because I do like lethal protector Venom and I think the idea of him having a very violent judge jury and executioner outlook could have worked well for this adaptation and would match the themes of redemption and follow up on Kraven pretty well. I’m not a writer so logistically this isn’t better than ANYTHING the Insomniac writing team could do. Just anything to make Harry’s motivations more consistent and to not do a symbiote invasion would have been preferred from me.
I really don’t mind Harry being Venom since Eddie Brock wasn’t as readily established in Spider-Man 2 it would have felt rushed and even more predictable than Harry being Venom was. And since we haven’t done Green Goblin yet, it’s a good way to do the Green Goblin 2 arc but with a twist and using it as an opportunity to adapt another villain. Kinda two storylines with one stone sorta thing. I just don’t like the way it was handled.
@@aaronymous9 I think citywide catastrophe can up the stakes but it feels a bit forced here. People tune in to stories because of character work, not spectacle, so grand battles and raising the stakes higher than skyscrapers isn’t a necessity. Superhero stories are no exception. I think the healing the world part of this Venom could’ve turned into a lethal protector Venom, which could’ve been done well. I can kind of say that I am a writer (though one who’s barely starting out) and I think Venom becoming a lethal protector with the redemption theme the game covers… it could’ve been powerful. The game made it obvious that the evil side of the symbiote was due to Peter imprinting on it, whilst being addicted to its power, having saved him from death. Harry, meanwhile, was just happy to be back in mint condition. I think accepting the darker parts of yourself and seeing a literal representation of that in Venom and then giving it the chance to redeem itself, or accept it. It could’ve been a potent plot point.
@@jarmoliebrand2005I don’t think citywide catastrophe was a problem. A similar plot happened in Web of Shadows and everyone loves that game. Here if just felt rushed asl
My issues with Insomniac Venom ultimately boil down to the execution of the Symbiote Hivemind plotpoint and how little screentime Venom actually had due to being introduced way too late into the story....which ironically Kraven also suffered from despite how early he was introduced. I also don't think they should have given Venom his own "army", as it felt very forced in his case.
@@Vexal50 agreed. Those are my problems with Insomniac Venom too. Still like him tho
Technically lego venom does get redemption when he helps fight galactus
Video should be “ranking how accurate each Venom is”
Yeah, it feels weird to disregard quality for a "best adaptation" in favor of accuracy
Yeah, I think that’s what means by “ranking every venom adaptation” he means “ranking how good every venom adapts the comics character”
@@This-is-a-commentt I mean... Fair enough? I just think a good inaccurate venom is better than a meh accurate venom.
@@lol-gv7ox Exactly, I don't like this whole accuracy stuff. He trash talked Insomniac Venom not being Eddie (Idc if it's him or Harry, just needs to make sense for context) or his whole "world domination" (which isn't true actually as he in his POV wants to heal others with Symbiote like how he thinks he got healed) but then praised Shattered Dimensions Mysterio in his best adaptations cuz he became god-like which isn't comic-accurate either.
Eddie’s morals in Spectacular Spider-Man were inconsistent. I understand his grudge against Peter, but how come he wants to hurt Aunt May and Gwen when he considers them to be good people ?
completely agree, people just ignore it's flaws cuz its Spectacular Spider-Man
@@theamazingspooderman2697 To be fair Eddie lost a couple of marbles,I mean it’s clearly shown when Spider-Man uses the gene cleanser on him,even when the symbiote left he still called himself Venom in his restraining chair.
Eddie is too blinded by his desire for revenge against Peter that he doesn’t care who he has to hurt to make his life worse.
Eddie's always been a bit of a selfish creep due to his jealousy over Peter's life. He just hid it well under his whole "bro" persona. The symbiote made it worse, and especially him trying to hate Peter so much to keep the symbiote's company.
Because his hatred for Peter causes him to act irrationally
Insomniac Venom was a great symbiote, not a great venom. That's how I like to see it. BTW, the symbiote thinks taking over the world is good because it makes people stronger, smarter and better. So it believes it's doing the right thing. The symbiote honestly isnt too much of a villain when you think about it, just a hero with messed up execution.
I'm not saying you're wrong but thats not made clear. It looks more like he's manipulating Harry into thinking its the right thing
@@TheGamerRist22it was made clear enough to me because it made no attempt at actually taking over the planet despite have the means to long before it went back to Harry
@@maxximusprime2970 What are you talking about? It didn't decide to take over the world until he went back to Harry
@@TheGamerRist22 that's literally what I said my guy-
A well-intentioned villain is still a villain. As the quip goes, "Cool motive. Still murder."
4:14 that didn't stop them from making the gross and creepy jokes with Wolverine. (When Peter and Wolverine switched bodies)
Here's a fun fact if you want to read, in spider-man 3 there was an ending that was ment to be the original, but it was cut, eddie brock's death was diffrent, instead of being blow up spider-man stabs venom with the metal pipes only for venom to reveal the skeleton that once was eddie brock, his skull no longer resebles a human, but looks more like venom, which is why eddie had sharp teeths.
This video should be titled "Ranking Every Venom Adaptation by their comic accuracy." All the complaints with insomniac's venom was about how it was inaccurate to the 616 Venom.
And the funniest part is that it was actually INCREDIBLY accurate, the only difference is that it bonded with HARRY and thus had different motivations. It was like 616, *if 616 had a different origin in hosts.* Like, instead of FIRST bonding to Peter, then Eddie because Peter rejected it, then getting a hateboner for Peter, it bonded to Harry, was GIVEN to Peter to HEAL HIM BECAUSE HE IS HARRYS BRO, then was rejected by Peter *for the good of himself and others* (both Harry and Peter are heroic, so the symbiote inherited the will to do right by others, even if it had its wires crossed a little in what that meant [which 616 always does in every adaptation too, always tries to do right by Peter in the beginning]) and latched back onto Harry and intended to HEAL THE WORLD. The only difference is in the origin story of who it bonded to and how they treated it and what it learned from its hosts, and Insomniac did *so very well* with that.
4:18 Feel free to correct me if I am wrong but, they did adapt the issue where Wolverine and Spider-Man swap bodies and kept the problematic part of said issue.
yeah they showed Wolverine trying to rizz up MJ to later do some stuff in the show, just like what he tried in the comics
@@theamazingspooderman2697they did at least tone it down from how it was in the comics, but i guess maybe bendis was adamant about that part staying the same or something (since he wrote the episode too)
Well the whole symbiote in the ultimate comics happened in 2003 and the game came out in 2005 so that first level in the game was from the comic but everything else was its own story for the game
The Nintendo DS version of Venom is better than the other versions. In that version he IS trying to stop the symbiote invasion, but we don't find that out until the tail end of the game.
Spider-Man unlimited venom was such a werid adaptation that really made no sense to me at least in my opinion.
Insomniac Venom doesn’t feel like the character one bit but separated he’s a damn scary and good villain
I honestly have to separate him because he’s a different interpretation and I’m okay with that, could’ve been so much better but when I enjoy Ultimate Venom consuming children and bullying superheroes because “he’s evil” I give insomniac a pass
I think the main problem people have with Venom is that there are two versions.
Obviously there's the main Venom- The goofball anti-hero with a chip on his shoulder.
But there's also the symbiote: A symbol of Peter Parker's addiction and all the worst aspects of himself.
The reason that Insomniac Venom is the way he is because of how he works with the idea of "Healing" and the darkness within Peter and eventually Harry. It is NOT the Venom we all know and love, but he still works on his own terms.
I agree
Thomas Hayden church should’ve been Eddie Brock/Venom in Spider-Man 3. I think he could’ve made a good creepy stalker Venom with the MacFarlane grin
I agree. He looks more like Eddie Brock than his actual actor did 😂
As an Insomniac worshipper, I do have some defense for game Venom.
Game Venom’s motive was to heal the world. For him, he thought the best way to do that was to infect everyone with symbiotes that would basically insta-kill diseases like it did with Harry, therefore “healing the world” just means infecting everyone with symbiotes so they don’t get sick.
Lego venom was the scariest as a kid.
Topher graces venom gets a lot of undeserved hate.people dont bother to research the comics in which that version is based on, and they just assume that because hes not a goofball,he is bad.
“I like being bad. It makes me happy.”
Deep
one of my favorite villains and anti-hero in fiction, thanks for making this video!
Insomniac venom has webs guess how venom got webs in the comics? During his time with spiderman he learned his abilities and once he left him he used those abilities. Seeing as he was connected to spiderman in marvels Spider-Man two and he also had the same learning abilities he definitely has webs whether you like it or not.
So Glad to see a video of someone who love and know the character as much as i do Venom is the best Anti-hero in my opinion that i cant say enough to describe how i love that character
Preciate that man Venom really one of the goats for sure
I Genuinlly think Using "Eddie Brock" is a very nit picky issue to rate a venom adaptation especially when not all Eddies even function the same in their different backstories like for example main eddie vs ultimate eddie
It’s also ironic cuz in the comics Venom has had other hosts besides Eddie Brock 😂
Ikr like saying that its bad or less of an adaptation because its not eddie sounds like a purist mindset @@rickyronny4019which heavily devalues the vid
I actually like venom better when hes out to kill spiderman. I know the team up between the 2 is getting more and more popular but i grew up on the ultimate comics, web of shadows and rami movies so he’s always gonna be a villain to me
Same
I kinda just like Venom. I grew up on almost all of it, hell I still remember Spider-Man: Unlimited very fondly because I liked how they actually used the hivemind as a plot device and allowed the symbiotes to manipulate the host bodies to where Venom could just turn into goop and slide under a door lol. The only thing I didnt grow up on were comics because the ones we had were collectors and mom n dad wouldnt let us touch em -w-; though we did break into the one they had for the PS2 game ehe. But yeah grew up on that and wayyy more, blame it on the autism but I love Venom, and that goes for (almost) every Venom and every interpretation of it, and now that I have internet access these days I can actually read the comics (still catching up).
As for the Sam Raimi trilogy, while I do like Topher Grace's Venom I dont actually think he should have been in the movie as Sam was pressured into adding him last second for marketing reasons, so it ruined the artistic vision and overall quality of the movie for me; plus if they were gonna cheap out for marketing cause more people were getting into Venom they couldve atleast put more effort into it. You ever seen that video on the possibilities of what Venom couldve been for that movie? Love the idea that it couldve been an animatronic with more of a purple tinge. But yeah overall? Toby shouldnt have had to fight aganist Venom, it shouldve been Andrew in a third movie, and given the theming of the previous movies it shouldve been more akin to the Ultimate Venom in that it was a bioweapon/cancer cure gone wrong, and it wouldve helped with the third movie because he would be getting over the death of Gwen.
Insomniac’s Venom works for the game he was in. We knew it hasn’t going to be Eddie, they even showed that Harry had the symbiote at the end of SM PS4 so the fact that so many people thought it’d still be Eddie is stupid. If that Venom was in anything other than that game then I’d have a problem with it but it works for the story that was being told
Bro only likes it when it's "comic accurate" like bro it's just a different interpretation
I feel like people that are against changes to characters so a story works better are crazy.
The whole point of an adaptation isn’t to do the exact same thing again it’s to adapt the characters and story to something new. Now not to say this always goes well but rating something off of how similar it is to the source material doesn’t make any sense if you like the original so much then just go read the comics again. .
the problem here isn’t about whether it’s a good adaption or not(considering a lot of things are already taken from other adaptions rather than the comics) it’s that the character is completely assinated and all the things that make him likable weren’t just removed, but replaced when low-tier motivations and characterization. There’s no nuance or layers, just surface evil bad guys gonna heal the world by destroying it
As a soon to be fellow content creator who wants to talk about Insomniacs Venom specifically, I think it is important to note, especially with Insomniac's 10 year timeline having been leaked, that a game starring Venom has been slated for development, and I want to hold my tongue because there's a very real chance that Eddie Brock will become Venom for this new game. That being said, a lot of your bullet points are things that I, as a life long spidey fan, agree with
Cheers mate, great vid, great content, keep it up!
Much love, Sanctuary in Shadows.
I remember growing up reading the “Venom: Lethal Protector” comics. Venom has always been my favorite Spider-Man villain. I also like his heroic / redemption arc he gets later. I also get annoyed when Venom is not Eddie Brock.
As a fellow Eddie/Venom fangirl, youre lame and boring. Plenty of good takes where Venom isnt hosting with Eddie. Like I'll forever prefer Eddie Brock for multiple reasons both personal and story-oriented, but you gotta be stuck in your comfort zone if you cant accept anybody BUT Eddie.
@@EffeminateCowardlyVillain
There are some I’ve seen where Eddie Brock doesn’t exist in that universe because it’s like Harry Osborn becoming Venom instead of him becoming the 2nd Green Goblin. But in the insomniac universe they hinted twice that Eddie Brock does exist in their universe. I didn’t mind it when Flash Thompson became Agent Venom in the comics. It’s just I grew up mostly reading the classic comics. I mostly read Golden Age, Silver Age, some Bronze Age and very rarely Modern Age.
@@TheOtakuNinja69 "I didn’t mind it when Flash Thompson became Agent Venom in the comics." is directly contrary to what you just said about getting annoyed when anybody but Eddie Brock is the host, and my response was to your statement about you being annoyed when anybody but Eddie Brock is the host. If youre retracting that statement then say so.
As for Eddie existing in their universe, that doesnt mean they HAVE to make him Venom, he can just be a regular side character. Nothing demands that Eddie *has* to be Venom, and as stated previously, I'm saying that as an Eddie fangirl who prefers when hes Venom.
@@EffeminateCowardlyVillain
Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying earlier I’m a big fan of Eddie Brock as Venom. I thought you were saying that it’s okay for Venom being someone else. I was trying to say the design of Agent Venom looks kinda cool, I’m not trying to back out what I said I just misunderstood what you were saying.
As much as I love Insomniac Venom. I understand your problems with the character. I think he would’ve turned out better if he had more screen time and development
He needed so much more screen time I really wish he wasn’t the last act. He should’ve been like 70% of the game if not more not 30%
@@spidermania I agree. Venom needed much more screen time. Had he been included earlier, a lot of his problems could’ve been fixed
@@spidermania That's fair, agreed. I appreciate their attempt at a more slow-burn approach to the narrative, but it did work against Venoms favor when they specifically advertised him; they played it out more like a lovecraftian horror, like there was something slowly waking up that a town didnt know about and was doing their own thing until oh hey theres an apocalypse would you look at that? And while it gave a lot of character development to Harry it gave about a third as much to Venom themself. I think this approach would work better if they intend to bring Venom back in the next game or in DLC or something, especially considering they put in a Carnage Killer easter-egg involving Cletus stealing some symbiote goop. That would allow this to be more of an origin story and would make the slow burn approach work more since they can give Venom more character development in the next one.
Not really guaranteed to happen, but I do personally think theyll bring Venom back with the way they teased it; When Peter got rid of the suit, it was still in him despite "leaving". It still was having a mental effect and it was still bonded until Mr. Negative basically exorcised it from him, giving Peter the anti-venom suit. This implies that even after having defeated Venom and saved Harry, Harry might still have Venom, and it might blossom into more of a Lethal Protector situation where Venom learns their mistakes and we get more character development for them as well as Harry, and that theyll have to help take on Carnage! Again not, yk, *guaranteed,* but I think it'd be hype and I think it has a high chance of happening :3
Ok I gona ask abot wos Venom why did he startet making Mini Venom's?
8:04 He arguably partially redeems himself by helping to defeat Galactus in the final level.
I hope insomniac venom gets the justice he deserves in the future for his spin-off game.
He prob will tbh as i believe harry will become anti venom and the actual venom will find eddie brock
@@russian9959we already have peter as anti venom and chances of harry becoming anti venom are lower than uncle Ben's grave cuz clearly Harry is insomniac's permanent venom
He won’t because they’re making him an antihero for some ungodly reason.
@@TravisaurusYou mean... like Venom?
@@LiMe251 the imsomniac version of venom is EVIL, unlike other versions of the character (the antihero versions) and i would just like them to keep the character as he is and not make him an antihero just because he's usually an antihero.
I LOVE 90s Venom, 90s Venom is my jam, I love scary and intimidating Venom and I think he did that perfectly while also having some random funny moments (Like driving A LITERAL TRUCK to catch up with Spider-Man on a train), I really like his character work and how his arc ended, I love his design and how the colors look on him and i love his voice, this was my Venom growing up.
Ps1 Venom is fucking gold
Edit: I made this comment before I knew he took top spot
I actually really like 2017 Venom. Although I admit it’s partially cause his design is amazing
I agree with the Insomniac Venom point. He’s epic and the whole game rocks, but unfortunately inaccurate as a Venom adaptation in terms of character.
The whole cornerstone of why Venom is such a scary and interesting adversary is because he’s not out for wealth or power, neither is he inherently doing horrid things for a good cause; he just wants to torment Spider-Man. And he knows how to do so.
Venom stands out as an enemy because while villains’ greed and ego are what make them vulnerable, Venom doesn’t care about any of that. His sole purpose was to kill Spider-Man. He knew ALL of Spidey’s secrets and can reveal them and use them against him whenever he wants.
I feel like Insomniac could’ve done better with Harry if he wasn’t Venom, and instead, Venom was someone else; like if they had built up Eddie Brock or something.
Ultimate tv show gave us a comic accurate venom, anti venom and carnage designs with no Eddie brock and Cletus casady
I know it's stupid.
Finally, the whole 19 inches of Venom
Insomniacs venom feels like he’s a stepping stone to an Eddie Brock venom story
Y’all needa accept the fact that Insomniac Venom is not Eddie Brock, cuz this sounds delusional I’m sorry 😂
Topher Grace is my fav, I've read all comics and i did my research for years and no other venom beats it for me at least. Hopefully he returns in Venom 3 and kicks ass.
Same man
Wdym returns in venom 3? Are you talking about if he crosses universes and comes to Tom Hardy’s universe? Because all of the stand-alone venom movies are based on Tom Hardy’s version of venom so explain to me please I’m just confused tbh
why would he even come for venom 3☠️☠️
@@ned2529sony changed nwh's entire original plot cuz they wanted to add the multiverse, so it wouldn't surprise if grace appears out of nowhere. ☠️☠️
@@jaski4022 if grace comes out of nowhere then venom 3 is gonna be dog water
I knew how bad LET THERE BE CARNAGE was gonna be when I saw it had the writer from 50 SHADES OF GREY
And now, she's directing the 3rd movie
oh so thats why that movie was so romantic with Eddie and Venom, thats good to know. Cant wait for the third!
best carnage adaptation also has to be the spiderman 2000 game the voice of carnage is so fitting it gives me chills whenever i hear his voice
Dude is simping for Eddie
I think you've got the wrong idea of Insomniac Venom. I agree when I say he wasn't one of the better portrayals of the character, but it doesn't have to FULLY align with the 616 character. I'll give the writers props for wanting to do something different with the character, and not restricting the symbiote to Eddie Brock. Plus, Eddie might appear in the 3rd game, so there's still potentially room for improvement.
There's nothing different about him, they just reused the "Harry is sick" thing from Amazing Spider-Man 2 but changing the goblin formula with the symbiote, the entire symbiote invasion thing from web of shadows and tons of other games and series, some Ultimate stuff from both the comics and the show (like having the symbiote as a way to treat diseases or having Harry as the host) and thats It.
The leaks have a game called venom lethal protector basically confirming Eddie lol
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Don't take it for granted
@@jc0044 it’s either Harry or Eddie considering Eddie is already in there and Flash has yet to be mentioned
@@MILDMONSTER1234it could be Eddie. I doubt it's going to be Harry again since he's in a coma for a maybe indefinite time until Spider-Man 3 came out
I do wanna ask, how come Ultimate Spider-Man gets to be monstrous but Insomniac Venom can’t? Both aren’t like the 616 but how come Ultimate gets away with it?
Spider-Man 3 Venom was awesome 😎
Agree.tom hardys venom is overrated when you compare him to topher graces venom which is actually venom and not a terrible adaptation like the crowd says.
@@MuriloAraújo-j2xTopher grace is definitely not venom, it seems raimi thought symbiote was like a drug and not a sentient being. Tom hardy is way more accurate
@@MuriloAraújo-j2x God damn, anytime a comment under this video mentions Tom Hardy or Topher Grace you just APPEAR to hate on Tom good lord man
I kindly disagree about the interpretation of the character in Spider-Man 3.
He is everything Peter has not been in the trilogy.
A poser devoid of meaning.
A loner with no real understanding of human relationships and humanity that assumes Gwen is his girl because she impulsively decides to drink coffee with him off set of a modeling gig one night.
He has no artistic talent whatsoever but he wants to suck up to Jameson because he probably just wants to tell people he works in the Flatiron building and knows that will get him automatic rapport with New Yorkers.
He has the same milktoast country boy personality as Eric Foreman.
And because he spends the whole movie intentionally being a nothing character, desperately trying to fit in, he is actually objectively on paper a great foil for Tobey’s Peter. And the perfect empty shell host for this kind of symbiote interpretation that just preys on weakness in those that question their purpose in life.
He becomes the only purpose that Eddie can obtain in life and because mr. Edward Brock Jr. sucks so bad and lacks any qualities to latch onto, he becomes Venom rather than becoming nothing.
I like that. Quite a bit actually.
He gets hate but is by far the best live action one.tom hardys venom lacks so many crucial aspects of the character.
In all fairness, where is the fun in having the same character with the same story and motivations over and over and over again. It becomes pretty bland and eventually just straight up boring.
Whatever Eddie Brock is only venom half the time, venom has been on everyone
which run of comics do i read to set the standard for comic accuracy
Most of the good adaptions rely on Venom's original run of mini series after mini series from the 90s which starts with Lethal Protector and ends with Venom Tooth and Claw TPB wise or the first two Venomnibus (you'll have to still buy Maximum Carnage on it's own though with the latter option) however, that is pretty expensive to collect.
A good substitute that would also prepare you for modern Venom in case you decide you want to continue reading Venom comics onward to Donny's run is Mike Costa's run. (though skip to and start with Venom Vol 2 The Land Before Crime) As its basically what Eddie's time as Venom would be as a proper ongoing before Donny changes the book drastically.
For Flash, the only other host we Venom comic fans has ever accepted, Marvel has made it way easier with the Venom by Rick Remender: The Complete Collection and Venom by Cullen Bunn: The Complete Collection. (Though sadly the only adaption to use Agent Venom is Ultimate Spider-Man)
Tophers implementation of horror in his adaptation despite his short screen time is honestly underrated
Now you have to do the best carnage adaptations (90s is the best for me)
That’s gonna be hard since Carnage doesn’t have a lot of good adaptations.
No sir he does not Lmfao
It’s probably 90’s or Shattered dimensions they’re both fire.
If this video does well I’ll do another one on a different popular Spider-Man character
This guy REFUSES to hear what takes and iterations are💀 “he’s not like venom!😕” HE IS
10:43 the way people adapt Venom reminds me of how they adapt Dark Phoenix. They just wanna do the merchandisable monster.
Honestly Web of Shadows Venom did a better job of the whole Symbiote invasion than the recent PS5 version. but while Shadows’ Venom took over Eddie Brock and infected New York mainly to destroy everything that Spidey had ever protected for his entire life, the PS5 version has him wanted to help Harry heal the world likely trying to protect the citizens from the pain and suffering like Peter, but at the cost of taking full control of Harry to succeed this goal. And given Venom in Spider-Man 2 was made out of Peter’s negative thoughts as well as Harry’s whom the latter had his emotions to allow Harry’s thoughts about Peter being a a better son to Norman viewing himself as weak and useless, and how he treated him when the Symbiotewas bonded to him earlier. Really made Venom’s motivation being more understandable, he doesn’t want to take over the world even if Knull exists or what not, Venom wants to save the world. Only to be viewed as a threat by everyone everybody in New York including Peter, Miles, and MJ.
hot take: insomniacs symbiote is just soldier of Knulls hive mind (spiral everywhere). So knull wants to take over as many worlds as possible in his neverending war against creation and celestials and symbiote doesnt have much of personality yet.
all it takes is to break venoms connection to the hive mind in spinoff game and build his own character including agenda
How was he not like the comics when they LITERALLY got everything from his past modern story??? Not to Mention thats how ik u haven't read the comics bec u would have known that Venom can now fly...
4:10 so you hate usm show venom solely bc Harry is the host at first? What about the later seasons then? Or do you think Flash doesn't count because he's not Eddie despite Flash having been venom's host in the comics too
so your justification for what makes a adaptation good is how closely it’s based on the original like you want every adaptation to be the same
Well an adaptation is quite literally taking the source material and putting it in a new medium. A faithful adaptation is supposed to be accurate to the source material. This isnt me saying one is better than the other Im saying one is more accurate.
Both Venom and Bane deserve better adaptations
Both characters are hit or miss when it comes to adaptations
Bro how do you put Capcom venom over tas venom? How can you even compare a venom that as a story during 9 episodes of 20 minutes to a venom where the only thing you know from him are just he's look and some one liners💀
It’s what I grew up with and was my first introduction to Venom.
He came out when Venom was becoming popular and helped vault him into the most popular marvel “villain” of all time.
I get why you would put the 90’s animated over him but personally that MvC Venom is just sooooo peak. The character has so much to love
Edit: you could also say the same for the 90’s show considering they both came out around the same time. they both helped Venom become as popular as he is today.
Its nice to see someone else that actually read the comics and thus actually gets how poor the adaptions are and frustrating it is. Onto the list I will say Ultimate Spider-Man (the cartoon) did get better in both writing and accuracy when they gave the symbiote to Flash and made him a composite character of 616!EddieVenom and Agent Venom. (Its like the lone animated adaption that gets the symbiote itself is not naturally evil and that the host has a impact on it's personality) I'm surprised to see Lego Venom so high up considering they are friends with Carnage, I personally would've rated it just above SM2!Venom. Movie!Venom not having the backstory doesn't bother me too much, considering it is a adaption of Venom's original "run" and the backstory has been done to death and then kept as villains despite the characters spending most of their comic book lives as good guys.
MUA3!Venom I think needs even more credit for going through the tired villain dance so fast, as in the boss fight itself they make it clear they don't want to fight you and all of Venom's voice future voice lines aside from a few are all very heroic, definalty a step up from MUA1. I personally can't stand Spectacular!Venom, the symbiote is nothing but evil (I don't care what was planned, it didn't get off the ground and they also said Eddie's earlier heroic actions were just suicidal behavior) and Venom should never target Peter's loved ones or innocent people in their revenge schemes just Peter. No? The Ultimate Spider-Man game came out after the first Venom arc and was originally going to be full on canon to the Ultimate verse before Bendis decided to adapt it instead. (it was indeed worse though) Ultimate!Venom does get a redemption here once he gains full control, as though he does lose to Peter, he still kills Trask and its hinted he goes onto become some sort of Lethal Protector like his superior counterpart. I think 90scartoon!Venom and MidnightSuns!Venom should've been swapped around. Don't get me wrong the 90s cartoon is the best animated Venom we have bar none but it should get penalized for not only making the symbiote evil from the get go but also introducing the concept of it being a corrupting influence which every future poor adaption now uses.
Honestly all very fair criticism and compliments I appreciate it.
I actually never thought about the fact that Brock from Spectacular took it to peters loved ones which I totally agree venom shouldn’t do.
Venom should always strive to protect the innocents even when he’s a “bad” guy
@@spidermania Didn't he go after people Peter cared about in the comics before he became an anti-hero?
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No, the closest Venom ever got was simply scaring MJ by their appearance alone but they did not lay a single finger on her during that interaction. They simply asked where Peter was then left. (and that was due more to a out of universe deal where Todd wanted to draw the original costume again, this being the in universe reason of MJ forcing Peter to ditch the black costume entirely)
Also, while it's not as overt as in the later seasons, usm show venom was portrayed as not inherently evil from the beginning. It was made to be _aggressive_ , which sometimes caused it to do bad things, but it wasn't out of malice
Glad to see Venom movies get praised. It's missing stuff but I really like the relationship of Eddie and Venom.
Those movies are awful
my only problem with insomniac venom is how he is more Null than Venom, instead of the goofy and funny guy he is, they made him a complete beast thats way too op for some reason with his goal being taking over the world or as he says " healing the world " which i get that harry gives him that idea but instead of him trying to be king of the world, he should have been a normal villain for the spider-men except he is a little tougher to beat just like doc ock in the first game or the tinkerer in the miles morales solo game which would have been much better and more accurate to the character
When did Insomniac Venom want to take over the world? He and Harry wanted to make the world better. It just so happens that meant connecting them to the Symbiote hivemind. Ignoring I still feel this is a decent adaptation. Not the worst but not the best. My biggest issues are
1)Not enough screentime. Seriously this is the guy they advertised the game with and he's barely in it! It also leads to my second issue
2)Venom feels like just one person. He feels like an evil Harry. Regardless of who it is, Venom is always comprised of two people, the Symbiote and it's host. Venom still has some goofy lines in SM2 but not nearly enough for what is typically an infant Symbiote who's mind is molded by its previous host. Honestly the fact that it just feels like one character gives more of a Carnage vibe than Venom. Cletus and Carnage feel like a single character because what they want is perfectly aligned (It's why I don't like the take on him in Venom 2). VENOM SHOULD NOT BE LIKE CARNAGE
Honestly thats a really great point for 2, however, I'd like to bring up that the movie had more of a uh how do I put it...
Carnage and Cletus in Venom 2 had more of a Satan x Sinner relationship, where Cletus was in a contract bound by blood with Carnage who acted as the devil that gave him power to accomplish what he wanted, and in the end it came to bite Cletus in the ass (or, rather, bite off his head, giving the devil his due in soul/life). This fits with the theming that they went with for Kasady as being religious, and while I agree with the idea that it's not very accurate to the essence of the character, I do believe it is a good, original take on Carnage. It also helped nip the bud early when it comes to making Carnage a god, because sadly comics have this issue where they keep one-upping their characters and then have to one-up another character, and this helped nerf Carnage to keep everything grounded imo lol
So yes, not at all an accurate Carnage when it comes to the essence of Carnage, however when it comes to Kasady being a religious serial killer it's a good interpretation of another route that the two might have taken, though it does then have the issue that it implies symbiotes DONT IMPRINT OFF THEIR HOSTS in their cinematic universe. It implies that symbiotes are their own complete individual- actually it outright states it, basically, it's not even a soft implication. Even in the first movie, symbiotes who never had hosts before couldnt bond to anybody because the host didnt fit *them,* so I guess it was bound to happen with Cletus and Carnage having two distinct personalities.
Spec Venom is still my favorite, my only complaint was that after he learned Peter was Spider-Man, he shouldve been like "So, Pete isnt a bad guy?" He shouldve learned that he saved Connors, that he was a hero all along.
The symbiote made him irrational.
@@Optimegatrongodzilla mm ok
@@SPIDERKN1GHT0327 Fr though they did, technically. The symbiote was just capitalizing off Eddie's rage, it only showed him the parts it wanted him to see and tried to make sure that Eddie spiralled emotionally, and at the end of it Venom was just using Eddie as a tool to get back at Pete because it still wanted Peter (shown when Peter defeats Venom by literally saying "hey I'm still madly in love with you come back here it's okay :)". ) Spider-Man is a toxic ex and Eddie is Venom's revenge date that they use to get back at Peter with lmfao
@@EffeminateCowardlyVillain yeah fax
I'd like to make a small correction and also share my thoughts on the video.
1.) The comics came out first in Ultimate Spiderman (2003) while the Game came out later with recaps (2005)
2.) Honestly Topher Grace shouldnt get backlash. Venom was rushed last minute into the film. Topher doesnt have to be "Hulking" to be intimidating. If anything he low-key was more intimidating than Tom's Venom. He had a goal in mind and stopped mercilessly to do it.
He just worked with what he was given and did his absolute best. And he does a tremendous job showing hate twoards Peter. In a past issue of Spiderman, he invades Black Cats home to hunt down Peter and threatened her, here in the film he finds MJ and gets her hostage. Thats some nice detail on small accuracies from comics.
3.) While WoS and SM2's Venom want to take over the world, it creates new twists for the character. Venom's an alien. Who didnt see a world invasion storyline coming? The execution was pretty well done with all due respect at those attempts.
4.) Venom is a symbiotic alien. Venom can have whomever it wants as a host. Just because its not Eddie doesnt mean its terrible. Although Eddie is the best Venom (others may disagree), there are still others that have donned the duds well too.
5.) Each and every adaption of Venom thats different keeps the character unique and relevant. I can respect your opinion, but sometimes you gotta take the expectations of "it needs to be like the comics" down since comics have now made themselves known for having multimedia adaptions of their characters with the multiveres and other adventures vs just having 1 consistent adaption and remaining unchanged. Because each time you expect a "perfect" comic representation of the characters you enjoy, but dont be disappointed when its not close to the source material.
But I respect your opinions (thumbs up for the MvC2 Venom love) and great video overall. Maybe you should consider doing characters like Dante, Virgil, Leon S. Kennedy, or Wolverine to name a few? Even Magneto and Hulk would be very interesting ones to go over.
Lmao so you mention spectacular spiderman venom being all evil is ok because he was going to get a redemption in the canceled season
But insomniac venom who started as evil but is going to get a redeemption in his game isnt mentioned????
This was recorded prior to the leak + i don’t necessarily know what the venom game entails it could be like ultimate Spider-Man where you’re villain Venom.
But I will say the leak is very promising and when it comes out if it’s anti hero venom he will shoot up the chart
@@spidermaniaso like soon Insomniac's Venom will get bump up
plus Spectacular Venom was actually going to kill or hurt people close to Peter and Venom bever harms anyone other than Spider-Man
@@spidermaniaok poki
@@theamazingspooderman2697 This is a diffrent Venom so he’s not gonna be like the comic version.Spectaculars Venom is more villainous in this show and hypocritical.
Also am I the only one that doesn’t like venom being a goofy villain? His appearance lends him to be a more monstrous villain, and with Eddie being a bit of a stalker at first and being the biggest risk for Spidey’s loved ones, that’s what makes him a good villain. The goofiness kills that for me though, yet it adds a perfect taste to him as an anti hero. Idk venom should get goofier the less of a villain he becomes.
"It's not Eddie Brock" is a really stupid criteria to rate any Venom adaptation on because Peter Parker isn't the only Spider-Man either.
Eddie Brock is venom for vastly longer than anyone else. He’s venom for longer than every other suit wearer combined.
Spider-Man mythos has constantly stated that Spider-Man is a mantle and anyone can wear the mask.
Venom mythos has constantly stated Eddie Brock is the one true host.
Also I already did an adaptation list for a Spider-Man who isn’t Peter Parker and I specified this is a miles list. Doing a “Spider-Man adaptations list” wouldn’t make any sense without signifying which one specifically, due to how many people wear the mantle at the same time. You’d have to specify.
Ok but also his motive in insomniacs Spider-Man was because it was Harry in there, not Brock. Harry doesn’t hate Spider-Man. So naturally, his motive would be different
You gotta rank Spidey adaptations.
Im sorry but when you said " oh but insomniac venom dont have spider powers" gtfo tom hardy venom didnt have spider powers but he get get a pass bruh 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
He web slinged.
While I think it's okay the problem with Spiderman 3 symbiote is their is no Eddie Brock or Peter Parker elenents to no Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde it's just completely bad hell they even say I snd my instead of we and us and they just went for surface level stuff like his look and that he's an alien they he just burns alive like 8 minutes later so they can try to rush to thr next film
First of all insomniac had room for Eddie, that’s why he’s not in the game, they didn’t want to, and even if it’s not amazing I at least respect insomniac trying something new and having venoms motive be based on twisting Harry’s heal the world mantra
Hot take:Ben Diskin is the best voice for Venom.
I honestly agree
Honestly, I love to think that venom is all about infection
PS1’s venom is funny insomniac’s venom is scary
where is LEGO marvel super hero's 2 Venom
I get that this is all accuracy based, but accuracy doesn’t equal good
The thing with Insomniac’s Venom is that he sounds and looks like Venom. Probably the best visually appealing Venom ever, but his personality and character never developed past being a big brute with a stereotypical bad guy goal.
LEGO Marvel Superheroes is the best one
430 Insomniac Venom in the game I don't know if this dude play the game or not but he actually did use wabing he had to use a string through the city
I enjoyed insomniac venom hes not my favorite i prefer the more goofy yet menacing venom approach
Also insomniacs approaches alot of the characters differently from how they are originally to making it feel more new from the original canon so the story is there on rendition of with which i actually really like
I think we needed more of venom in the game but i like the approach they went with him in the game
i agree neversoft venom is the best one
3:15 bro became JJJ for a sec
To me Venom is his best when he is the OPOSITE of goofy. And the host isn't as important to me if his essence is right. I don't care about the cannon events. To me the symbiote story needs to be dark and tragic. I love it when he symbolizes addiction especially. I am not really a fan of anti-hero venom.
So basically you like something more like topher graces venom.i think that version of the character is pretty good.
Ranking every venom based on how close the adaptation is to the venom in the comic and in universe 616, there you go, I fixed the name of your video
You should totally consider ranking the different versions of J. Jonah Jameson.
I agree, 100%