Vader, what a legit badass!! His NJPW and WCW runs were good, but in WWF/E was a living nightmare thanks to Shawn Michaels in '96. He will be the best big man in wrestling
True but u can't blame all of that on Michaels, although he was a part of it, the whole roster has to contribute and get the guy over and people didn't like his very stiff working style, nobody wants to get beat up every night.
@@Rick-si1re he worked with Taker, Kane, Foley and others during his time in the WWF and nobody that I know of complained other than Michaels. At that time Vince McMahon just caved in to whatever Shawn Michaels wanted
@@inspectah_ant, not that you know of, I don't mean to be rude, but you weren't there, neither was I for that matter. However it's well documented that Vader was a very stiff worker. However this isn't even the gist of my comment, the gist of it was that, Vader didn't get over in the WWE because the roster wasn't behind that, so, no offense but, it stands to reason that my argument (which I can admit could be false or not entirely true) is probably closer to the truth. Either that (The roster's unwillingness to work with him) or they just didn't like the guy because he was a "WCW" guy or w/e the case may have been, in any case, it didn't work.
He was more popular and made more of a impact in Japan and inspired the videogame characters Raiden (Big Bear) of Fatal Fury and Alexander the Grater of Saturday Night Slam Masters. He should've had a better career in the WWF than he did like in Japan.
You know I was just thinking about that video game and how that character looked like Vader!!! That's awesome!!! Imagine to have a video game character created after you! Only two other people I can think of To do that, bruce lee and mike Tyson.
Vader also lost to the Ultimate Warrior a lot on house show circuit. Not a great way to build your next monster heel by jobbing him out to a wrestler who would be out of the company a few weeks later after being AWOL from several house show events. While the Kliq hadn't made things for him easier, Vince also shares part of the blame for wasting this golden opportunity
Right, not to mention he lost soooooooo many against Michaels on house shows before their feud even got started on T.V. so it just didn't work, and like I said not all of that is on Vadar, it's on the talent as well for not help get the guy over. The problem with Diesel and HBK's title runs is that they didn't have enough credible heels to work with imho, especially Diesel, look at his run, this is why it didn't work. I've thought of Taker but perhaps they needed him as a face at the time but he certainly would have been a credible enough heel for Diesel to work with, they could have gotten maybe 3 or 4 ppvs out of that feud in 1995.
Vader's WWF Run was very Underwhelming it could've been awesome Jim Cornette as Vader's Manager was great idea Best Part Of Kane Vs Vader at over the edge 1998 was Paul Bearer wearing Vader's mask great video.
You're right, some guys were just "WCW" through and through and Vadar was one of them as was Luger and you see how badly they treated Sting for his very brief WWE run.
"Listen, if you don't change up in a hurry, I'll put a dime in the jukebox and you'll have to dance your ass right out the door: I run this place." - Michael Shawn Hickenbottom to Leon White
Vader, Jack, Sting, and Flair is what got me into wrestling. I was a kid so Sting was of course my favorite, but any combination of those 4 and i was glued to my seat.
Had Vader overcome HBK’s schtick, we would’ve seen him become champion until Wrestlemania 13 losing the title to Undertaker (would’ve been better than Taker vs Sid) and later forming a tag team with Kane (rather than Mankind, no offence) in 1998 winning the tag team titles.
It’s not only Shawn Michaels who didn’t want to work with Vader. Bret Hart also didn’t want to. Vader wasn’t the safest worker. Bret mentions it in his book.
I heard it wasn’t just Shawn that had issues working with Vader. Two issues were he was very stiff and supposedly also didn’t like washing his gear. It was also clear by 1998 he had gained weight
In the case with Vader I’d say going to Japan to work in AJPW instead Stan Hansen, THE Gaijin, for both NJPW and AJPW personally called him to join him there He turned it down, respectfully, before signing with Vince Vader himself admits he’d have probably should have taken the original offer since his 1999 run in AJPW was incredible gaining pretty much every accolade there with great bookings before eventually joining most of AJPW’s wrestlers to start up Noah where he had a decent cooldown tour before his retirement in the states
Not to mention his diet 😂 there’s a few stories of him going number two in the ring. But a funny one I found was when he Vader bombs gorilla monsoon in 1996. The camera man is in such the right position to pickup a sound, is it ropes extending/retracting? No you hear that too, but you can’t mistake the sound of Vader letting out a steamy good one as he shoots off the ropes.
Surprised you didn’t mention the vignette where both Yoko and Vader were sent to a sort of weight loss rehab center by WWF at the time, and both guys apparently were sneaking out in the middle of the night to eat fast food. Both returned heavier than before, and my understanding was that this was a big deal to JR at the time because it just indicated that neither man had the discipline to lose as much as 20 pounds, just to show that they cared about taking care of themselves. Both guys were gone pretty shortly after that.
Fans exaggerate how bad vader was buried in WWE. Yeah, Shawn Michaels, but most of Vaders failure was due to untimely injuries, his out of control weight, and then the Saudi incident was the last straw. While he wasn't given the ball, he was there longer than most remember and was booked ok.
To say that Vader "Ripped Cactus Jack's ear off" is extremely misleading. All Vader did was throw Cactus into the ropes. Cactus then did a maneuver he had done many times before where he flipped over the top rope while getting his head caught between the top and middle rope. Unfortunately, the ring crew had tightened the ropes too tight that night, and the ropes themselves were steel cables. Due to being overtightened, Cactus was legitimately being choked out by the ropes. Fortunately, he was able to eventually pull his head out from the ropes but in doing so his ear was ripped off.
Dude, you forgot he lost to Ken Shamrock in a shoot style match while Vader destroyed Ken in a cage match, and Big Van V made the Ultimate Dangerous man bleed blood somewhere in Japan.
Vader vs Yoko was great. Although Yoko was a fat guy he was still lots of fun to watch. You forgot to mention that Vader was also not in good health either as he was just off of surgery. And the feud ended when Vader cheated and Yoko missed the banzai, meaning Yoko sort of defeated himself and Vader limped away after being mauled by Yoko. It made Vader look very weak and Yoko stronger as Vader had to cheat to win.
It's trendy these days to mock Tony Khan for being spineless but the way Vince pandered to HBK back in the mid-90s is astoundingly spineless and baffling after having dealt with Hogan, but I think it shows that Vince eventually took a stance that no star should be bigger than WWE.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin I think it's more of the fact that he had nobody else at the time. His company was losing money, top guys were leaving, and his plan to push other talents as the top guy(Sid) and (taker) failed horribly. That's also not to mention that his other top guy Bret wasn't much better than Shawn but what made him worse was that he was considering leaving or retiring. Shawn while being an asshole druggie at the time was at least controllable and loyal to the extent that he know he would always have him in his pocket TL;DR Austin Saved That company
ya wanna know how far vader had slipped / wwe bad ownership of him....vader last match in WWF before he was let go....he was defeated by edge [ at this time edge was just a tag team partner / opening match guy at best ] ....from a guy who destroyed everyone to losing to JUST a nobody tag team partner....dammmm
Great video upload enjoyed watching it its vader time yer great to watchbthem matches on in your house yer ive hot all 28 dvd tagged classics as well good collection to collect 👍
Agreed, they are both at fault, Michaels was ...........Michaels at the time and I needn't say any more, but from what I've read/heard Vadar was high maintenance as well and worked a bit too stiff for Michaels so in the end it just didn't work.
Seeing how he just ruthlessly broke someone's back with a power slam, I can't have much care for Vader anymore. I had not seen that before. It is one thing being green, it is one thing exchanging shoot punches, but doing a slam like that on someone who is trusting you with their body is the work only of a total piece of shit, like he himself said.
I love how Vader not working out in WWF was apparently down to Shawn Michaels simply because people hang on Jim Cornette’s every word. Vader himself said in a shoot interview that WWF management/creative decided to change Survivor Series in 1996 from being Shawn/Vader 2 to Shawn/Sid because they blamed Vader for the poor house show gates and PPV buys/Raw ratings in his feud with Shawn. Vader then went on to feud with Undertaker and was dominated then came the on air incident in the Middle East with the TV presenter which killed his WWF career completely. Shawn AND Bret complained about working with Vader BUT never refused to work with Vader, reality is WWF and WCW or Japan were both completely different and after the initial buzz of Vader coming in wore off Vince McMahon got bored so killed his main event run and used the poor house show gates and buys/ratings as an excuse plus Vince will NEVER let someone who’s not his creation be on top.
JR said "at least on one occasion" (implying probably more) Shawn said he refused to work with him because his gear stunk so bad. Gerald Briscoe bought some Febreeze, sprayed it all on Vader's gear, and let it air out. Shawn also hated how hard Vader yanked his hair.
If Vader had been the Mastodon Vince would have probably made him champion. But the Mastodon is still a really stupid name… only a little better than Mantaur or Chilly McFreeze.
@@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150 Shawn also hated taking stiff punches. And Vader was the stiffest puncher ever. If you can’t take your face getting dirty, don’t play with the big boys.
@@NateTheGnat Yeah, I left that out on purpose. Sometimes my comments are too long. Foley didn't mind how stiff Vader was, but even he said HBK didn't like it.
not more than a casual viewer, but the historical perspective is interesting to hear, since he just seemed like a goofy clod on TV at the time. Who knew some were so impressed?
Vader was unbelievable and it’s sad that he failed in the fed given he is fucking great. However I don’t think it was all the companies fault. Yes the booking wasn’t great and hbk was a diva. But Vader also had his issues backstage in general, had some major wright issues and had some sad injuries. Not saying Vince booked him well, but it wasn’t like they full burryed him. Hbks politics definitely didn’t help either ofc
@1:35 Much is said about Jeff Hardy's Swanton Bomb and how much it hirts. 1:59 Whatever Vader called that, yeah, i ain't taking that. If Jeff's hurts, Vader's maims.
You forgot the feud Vader had vs Kane at no way out 1998 and over the edge 1998 in a mask vs mask match as Vader did cost Kane the inferno match with the undertaker
One of many reasons Vince doesn't have half the clue or talent which his marks claim. You can't waste a talent like Vader and claim you still know and respect the business 🤦🏻♂️
This is proven so well and if anyone argues it should be noted for ALL the crap they put Vader through to create their new monster in Kane…..they have NEVER succeeded or even TRIED to repeat that for the new generation As in WHERE is our monster heel now? We have none in WWE now, if they had properly built and booked the likes of Bray and the Wyatt Family they could have easily made at least ONE of them into a great monster heel Bray, Brodie, Braun, and even Eric would easily fill the role but nope they lose EVERY major feud they are in and hardly have any character in the case of Brodie or Eric And now ALL FOUR are gone with two sadly pasted away The closets they have now is Bronson Reed and Vince actually fired him previously showing just how badly Vince books big guys ultimately
This is the type of machinations that ruined wrestling. Vader could have been as big in WWF as he was everywhere else. Shawn Michaels was insufferable. Bookers should not wrestle and wrestlers should not book.
Vader has no one to blame but vader. He knew he was working stiff, and hurting people. and he knew he smelled like shit. He was acting like a solo act in a team sport
Hey, if a big smelly guy was being super stiff with you always leaving your stinky and possibly lose out on money, would you keep working with him? The guy was dangerous. Many people refused to work with him, not just Shawn Michaels. Many other should of. If he wasn’t so stiff and washed himself he would have lasted longer. Great big guy but too dangerous and too stiff.
He bc would’ve been pretty good as champ . The idea was to have Shawn get bodied by Vader then Jose gets hit by Vader and Shawn ends up losing the title at SummerSlam. They could’ve had the Rocky 3 story. Then I think it would be cool for Cornette with his shenanigans at some point saying Shawn won’t get a rematch but then he’ll earn it and then he’s training to challenge the monster. I think they basically did the angle albeit in a smaller format, with Sid at Survivor Series. People were cheering Sid that night too. Shawn was one of the best wrestlers but a garbage human at the time. It’s too bad.
Well if Vader stunk then he stunk . I'm not a wrestler but I hate working with unhygienic guys at work so I don't blame Michaels for not liking it especially as a wrestler ,you gotta get up close and personal. Wash your ring gear piggy.
He injured his shoulder just after his debut, returned heavier. He didn’t wash his gear, either. Management and backstage politicians will always be there, but the wrestler needs to prove their worth too.
Well Bret Hart, Jake Roberts also said about smell. So Vader ruined it by himself, to be not hygienic as he should be. Also Vader was not save to work with, he could not fake his punches entierly. And his bombs were danger.
When Shawn stomped his head he should of gotten up and threw him a beating live on PPV. if that happened we would still be talking about it and HBK would of been finished in America
There seems ro be a common theme: Shaun Michael's. He's a spoilt kid who can't see past his own nose, but shame on Vince for acquesing to all his childish demands.
Given we know the history of WWF/WWE inflating their numbers do we really know what Yokozuna's actual weight. I mean he could have been easily 400-450 but if he's a monster heel or babyface it sounds reasonable that they would have said he was 600lbs.
Big Van Vader was a dominant wrestler before coming to WWE/F, he was legendary...we knew he was going to fade away once he wrestled for WWE/F, that is where established wrestler's careers go to die...remember Terry Taylor, Steve Keirnes (Skinner), Sting, Dallas Page and Kronik, just to name a few...all mentioned could of been, should of been, would of been...WWE/F is not the only place to wrestle, true wrestling fans will know you...
Vader, what a legit badass!! His NJPW and WCW runs were good, but in WWF/E was a living nightmare thanks to Shawn Michaels in '96. He will be the best big man in wrestling
His problem was he wrestled stiff, he had ligitamently hurt people. If I was a wrestler and I was HBK I would not want to work with either
@@Get_Bent_79he worked stiff in other companies and it was never an issue until Shawn Michaels complained
True but u can't blame all of that on Michaels, although he was a part of it, the whole roster has to contribute and get the guy over and people didn't like his very stiff working style, nobody wants to get beat up every night.
@@Rick-si1re he worked with Taker, Kane, Foley and others during his time in the WWF and nobody that I know of complained other than Michaels. At that time Vince McMahon just caved in to whatever Shawn Michaels wanted
@@inspectah_ant, not that you know of, I don't mean to be rude, but you weren't there, neither was I for that matter. However it's well documented that Vader was a very stiff worker.
However this isn't even the gist of my comment, the gist of it was that, Vader didn't get over in the WWE because the roster wasn't behind that, so, no offense but, it stands to reason that my argument (which I can admit could be false or not entirely true) is probably closer to the truth. Either that (The roster's unwillingness to work with him) or they just didn't like the guy because he was a "WCW" guy or w/e the case may have been, in any case, it didn't work.
He was more popular and made more of a impact in Japan and inspired the videogame characters Raiden (Big Bear) of Fatal Fury and Alexander the Grater of Saturday Night Slam Masters. He should've had a better career in the WWF than he did like in Japan.
You know I was just thinking about that video game and how that character looked like Vader!!! That's awesome!!! Imagine to have a video game character created after you! Only two other people I can think of To do that, bruce lee and mike Tyson.
The fact that Vader as an American was able to advance so far in Japanese wrestling tells you how good he was.
Vader also lost to the Ultimate Warrior a lot on house show circuit. Not a great way to build your next monster heel by jobbing him out to a wrestler who would be out of the company a few weeks later after being AWOL from several house show events. While the Kliq hadn't made things for him easier, Vince also shares part of the blame for wasting this golden opportunity
I was at one of those shows 🎉
Right, not to mention he lost soooooooo many against Michaels on house shows before their feud even got started on T.V. so it just didn't work, and like I said not all of that is on Vadar, it's on the talent as well for not help get the guy over. The problem with Diesel and HBK's title runs is that they didn't have enough credible heels to work with imho, especially Diesel, look at his run, this is why it didn't work. I've thought of Taker but perhaps they needed him as a face at the time but he certainly would have been a credible enough heel for Diesel to work with, they could have gotten maybe 3 or 4 ppvs out of that feud in 1995.
Losing to the ultimate warrior was an honor.
Vader could never beat the Ultimate Warrior. He just didn’t have that warrior spirit.
@@damfunk. shit Vader was superior to warrior, warrior couldn't lace up Vader's boots
Nastiest powerbomb in the business. It was attempted murder.
I don't know why I found that to be funny 🤣🤣🤣
Vader's WWF Run was very Underwhelming it could've been awesome Jim Cornette as Vader's Manager was great idea Best Part Of Kane Vs Vader at over the edge 1998 was Paul Bearer wearing Vader's mask great video.
My favorite "big man" in wrestling of all time: He was less than a shadow of his WCW self in WWF (attributed to several reasons).
You're right, some guys were just "WCW" through and through and Vadar was one of them as was Luger and you see how badly they treated Sting for his very brief WWE run.
Three words: Michael Shawn Hickenbottom.
"Listen, if you don't change up in a hurry, I'll put a dime in the jukebox and you'll have to dance your ass right out the door: I run this place."
- Michael Shawn Hickenbottom to Leon White
Did he actually say that? Lol, that's hilarious!
@@Rob_Thorsman According to Vader. He said it in a shoot interview.
Three letters: HBK
@@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150who is Leon White?
After leaving WWF, Vader had the run of his life in AJPW showing what America missed out on.
Vader ruined his WWF run due to his arrest in Kuwait.
@@therainmakerinsider nah man nah Shawn Michaels ruined Vader's run from the start keep the facts straight
Two Words: Shawn Michaels
Nope.
Two Words: Deez nuts
@@jrsmith1998 Dude, the mid 2010s are so over.
Thought the same thing lol
Aww poor vader, the guy who was stiff and unprofessional in the ring gets kicked one time in the head and his fanboys cry “foul”! Hilarious
One word: kayfabe
So much potential with Vaders wwf run but got wasted In the worse way possible
I remember being afraid of him when i was a child watching wrestling with my grandpa
Vader, Jack, Sting, and Flair is what got me into wrestling. I was a kid so Sting was of course my favorite, but any combination of those 4 and i was glued to my seat.
Had Vader overcome HBK’s schtick, we would’ve seen him become champion until Wrestlemania 13 losing the title to Undertaker (would’ve been better than Taker vs Sid) and later forming a tag team with Kane (rather than Mankind, no offence) in 1998 winning the tag team titles.
It’s not only Shawn Michaels who didn’t want to work with Vader. Bret Hart also didn’t want to. Vader wasn’t the safest worker. Bret mentions it in his book.
Bret also said in his book that Bam Bam Bigelow was actually the best big man in the business do to his athleticism and the safety of his work.
@@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150 their match at KotR 93 was great
@@catchcan221 Definitely.
The most athletic big man in wrestling.
Big Van Vader and Bam Bam Bigelow.
Also, Masato Tanaka and Mike Awesome.
I have to wonder how mid 90s WWF would have looked like without Shawn Michaels. A lot of great wrestlers might have gotten a spotlight he denied them.
Shawn Michaels is the reason the 90s was mid
I heard it wasn’t just Shawn that had issues working with Vader. Two issues were he was very stiff and supposedly also didn’t like washing his gear. It was also clear by 1998 he had gained weight
Yeah I do remember one wrestler saying that Vader had a horrible smell to him and it made it hard to wrestle against him
Perché tu gliel'hai odorata? Mi fa sempre ridere come gente che magari neanche era nata nel 96 riporti questi fatti come verità assoluta 😂
Arn Anderson and a few others have said how Vader smelled because he didn't wash his gear
Big Van Vader, "The Total Package" Lex Luger & the Steiner Brothers (Rick & Scott) should have all stayed in WCW.
In the case with Vader I’d say going to Japan to work in AJPW instead
Stan Hansen, THE Gaijin, for both NJPW and AJPW personally called him to join him there
He turned it down, respectfully, before signing with Vince
Vader himself admits he’d have probably should have taken the original offer since his 1999 run in AJPW was incredible gaining pretty much every accolade there with great bookings before eventually joining most of AJPW’s wrestlers to start up Noah where he had a decent cooldown tour before his retirement in the states
When he didn't win the heavy weight title at Summerslam, that pretty much did it for him
He terrified me back then. I was sure his opponents were going to die
He terrified Michaels too that's why he tried so hard to get him out of the WWE.
Vader's wretched BO is notorious. Every single wrestler I've heard speak on the subject of smelly wrestlers his name comes up pretty much every time.
Not to mention his diet 😂 there’s a few stories of him going number two in the ring. But a funny one I found was when he Vader bombs gorilla monsoon in 1996. The camera man is in such the right position to pickup a sound, is it ropes extending/retracting? No you hear that too, but you can’t mistake the sound of Vader letting out a steamy good one as he shoots off the ropes.
😂😂😂
Vader just didn’t have that Darth in him 😂
I know Shawn Michaels didn't like working with him, he was stiff n he said he smelled bad..he never took off.. may he rest in peace..❤
He always looked unsafe to me
He was...
Sid and Vader was a great tag team back in WCW days
vader's work in wcw and in japan is the stuff of legend. it sucks that his run in wwe was shit.
Surprised you didn’t mention the vignette where both Yoko and Vader were sent to a sort of weight loss rehab center by WWF at the time, and both guys apparently were sneaking out in the middle of the night to eat fast food.
Both returned heavier than before, and my understanding was that this was a big deal to JR at the time because it just indicated that neither man had the discipline to lose as much as 20 pounds, just to show that they cared about taking care of themselves. Both guys were gone pretty shortly after that.
Fans exaggerate how bad vader was buried in WWE. Yeah, Shawn Michaels, but most of Vaders failure was due to untimely injuries, his out of control weight, and then the Saudi incident was the last straw. While he wasn't given the ball, he was there longer than most remember and was booked ok.
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To say that Vader "Ripped Cactus Jack's ear off" is extremely misleading. All Vader did was throw Cactus into the ropes. Cactus then did a maneuver he had done many times before where he flipped over the top rope while getting his head caught between the top and middle rope. Unfortunately, the ring crew had tightened the ropes too tight that night, and the ropes themselves were steel cables. Due to being overtightened, Cactus was legitimately being choked out by the ropes. Fortunately, he was able to eventually pull his head out from the ropes but in doing so his ear was ripped off.
Dude, you forgot he lost to Ken Shamrock in a shoot style match while Vader destroyed Ken in a cage match, and Big Van V made the Ultimate Dangerous man bleed blood somewhere in Japan.
Damn! Just in time. Thx!😊
Vader vs Yoko was great. Although Yoko was a fat guy he was still lots of fun to watch. You forgot to mention that Vader was also not in good health either as he was just off of surgery. And the feud ended when Vader cheated and Yoko missed the banzai, meaning Yoko sort of defeated himself and Vader limped away after being mauled by Yoko. It made Vader look very weak and Yoko stronger as Vader had to cheat to win.
It's trendy these days to mock Tony Khan for being spineless but the way Vince pandered to HBK back in the mid-90s is astoundingly spineless and baffling after having dealt with Hogan, but I think it shows that Vince eventually took a stance that no star should be bigger than WWE.
You can’t convince me that HBK wasn’t Vince’s lover at that time. I think that’s the difference.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin
I think it's more of the fact that he had nobody else at the time. His company was losing money, top guys were leaving, and his plan to push other talents as the top guy(Sid) and (taker) failed horribly. That's also not to mention that his other top guy Bret wasn't much better than Shawn but what made him worse was that he was considering leaving or retiring.
Shawn while being an asshole druggie at the time was at least controllable and loyal to the extent that he know he would always have him in his pocket
TL;DR Austin Saved That company
ya wanna know how far vader had slipped / wwe bad ownership of him....vader last match in WWF before he was let go....he was defeated by edge [ at this time edge was just a tag team partner / opening match guy at best ] ....from a guy who destroyed everyone to losing to JUST a nobody tag team partner....dammmm
Bret and Shawn didn’t like working with him so it wasn’t “wasted” the top guys just didn’t like working with him.
Yeah then Bret didn't like working with Shawn & Vince either after "The Montreal Screw Job" months later. Oh well.
No one liked working with Warrior as well. It's not who you "like" working with, it's a job.
5:53
In a wrestling ring it's hard to tell but in that clip you really, really see Vader's true size there, dude was massive
Great video upload enjoyed watching it its vader time yer great to watchbthem matches on in your house yer ive hot all 28 dvd tagged classics as well good collection to collect 👍
Agreed, they are both at fault, Michaels was ...........Michaels at the time and I needn't say any more, but from what I've read/heard Vadar was high maintenance as well and worked a bit too stiff for Michaels so in the end it just didn't work.
His career wasn't wasted. He was a top dog in Japan and WCW. Only the WWF wasted him.
Yeah? That's the point of the video
Vader Could've Had More Potential!
Seeing how he just ruthlessly broke someone's back with a power slam, I can't have much care for Vader anymore. I had not seen that before. It is one thing being green, it is one thing exchanging shoot punches, but doing a slam like that on someone who is trusting you with their body is the work only of a total piece of shit, like he himself said.
And he was Straight outta compton... Vader was an iconic character.
I love how Vader not working out in WWF was apparently down to Shawn Michaels simply because people hang on Jim Cornette’s every word.
Vader himself said in a shoot interview that WWF management/creative decided to change Survivor Series in 1996 from being Shawn/Vader 2 to Shawn/Sid because they blamed Vader for the poor house show gates and PPV buys/Raw ratings in his feud with Shawn.
Vader then went on to feud with Undertaker and was dominated then came the on air incident in the Middle East with the TV presenter which killed his WWF career completely.
Shawn AND Bret complained about working with Vader BUT never refused to work with Vader, reality is WWF and WCW or Japan were both completely different and after the initial buzz of Vader coming in wore off Vince McMahon got bored so killed his main event run and used the poor house show gates and buys/ratings as an excuse plus Vince will NEVER let someone who’s not his creation be on top.
JR said "at least on one occasion" (implying probably more) Shawn said he refused to work with him because his gear stunk so bad. Gerald Briscoe bought some Febreeze, sprayed it all on Vader's gear, and let it air out. Shawn also hated how hard Vader yanked his hair.
If Vader had been the Mastodon Vince would have probably made him champion. But the Mastodon is still a really stupid name… only a little better than Mantaur or Chilly McFreeze.
@@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150 Shawn also hated taking stiff punches. And Vader was the stiffest puncher ever. If you can’t take your face getting dirty, don’t play with the big boys.
@@NateTheGnat Yeah, I left that out on purpose. Sometimes my comments are too long. Foley didn't mind how stiff Vader was, but even he said HBK didn't like it.
@@NateTheGnat Yeah, Vince is... Different.
The 2 Best Vader matches i have ever seen is his match with Shawn Michaels and match with Sting..
Just like sting Vader was WCW
Who's watching All In right now? (At the time of upload).
Orndorf beat the crap out of Vader, he wasn`t a legit tough guy.
My favorite growing up
I think Shawn dropped the ball at SummerSlam. Vader just laid there waiting for him to drop the elbow. Why didn't Shawn follow through?🤔🤔🤔🤔
1996 shawn michaels when he heard that he's gonna feud with Vader over the WWF title be like : THAT DOESNT WORK FOR ME BROTHER
not more than a casual viewer, but the historical perspective is interesting to hear, since he just seemed like a goofy clod on TV at the time. Who knew some were so impressed?
IT'S TIME! IT'S TIME!!! IT'S VADER TIME!!!
Vader was unbelievable and it’s sad that he failed in the fed given he is fucking great. However I don’t think it was all the companies fault. Yes the booking wasn’t great and hbk was a diva. But Vader also had his issues backstage in general, had some major wright issues and had some sad injuries. Not saying Vince booked him well, but it wasn’t like they full burryed him. Hbks politics definitely didn’t help either ofc
I would change the channel every time he came on.
@1:35 Much is said about Jeff Hardy's Swanton Bomb and how much it hirts. 1:59 Whatever Vader called that, yeah, i ain't taking that. If Jeff's hurts, Vader's maims.
HTF did Vader travel with that headgear? You thought traveling with a belt could be a headache...... TRY TRAVELING WITH THAT GOTDAMNED THING.
You forgot the feud Vader had vs Kane at no way out 1998 and over the edge 1998 in a mask vs mask match as Vader did cost Kane the inferno match with the undertaker
I was terrified as a child anytime I saw Vader.
What went wrong with Big Van Vader? Is the same thing that happened with the Road Warriors and everyone else... Vince.
One of many reasons Vince doesn't have half the clue or talent which his marks claim. You can't waste a talent like Vader and claim you still know and respect the business 🤦🏻♂️
This is proven so well and if anyone argues it should be noted for ALL the crap they put Vader through to create their new monster in Kane…..they have NEVER succeeded or even TRIED to repeat that for the new generation
As in WHERE is our monster heel now?
We have none in WWE now, if they had properly built and booked the likes of Bray and the Wyatt Family they could have easily made at least ONE of them into a great monster heel
Bray, Brodie, Braun, and even Eric would easily fill the role but nope they lose EVERY major feud they are in and hardly have any character in the case of Brodie or Eric
And now ALL FOUR are gone with two sadly pasted away
The closets they have now is Bronson Reed and Vince actually fired him previously showing just how badly Vince books big guys ultimately
Vader was god level EVERYWHERE except in wwe
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It's make me feel bad seeing again his WWF thrown down the toilet career
This is the type of machinations that ruined wrestling. Vader could have been as big in WWF as he was everywhere else. Shawn Michaels was insufferable. Bookers should not wrestle and wrestlers should not book.
Vader has no one to blame but vader. He knew he was working stiff, and hurting people. and he knew he smelled like shit. He was acting like a solo act in a team sport
Hey, if a big smelly guy was being super stiff with you always leaving your stinky and possibly lose out on money, would you keep working with him? The guy was dangerous. Many people refused to work with him, not just Shawn Michaels. Many other should of. If he wasn’t so stiff and washed himself he would have lasted longer. Great big guy but too dangerous and too stiff.
two words LAZY BOOKING
HBK was scared that Vader could bring back the time of the monster champion
He bc would’ve been pretty good as champ . The idea was to have Shawn get bodied by Vader then Jose gets hit by Vader and Shawn ends up losing the title at SummerSlam. They could’ve had the Rocky 3 story. Then I think it would be cool for Cornette with his shenanigans at some point saying Shawn won’t get a rematch but then he’ll earn it and then he’s training to challenge the monster. I think they basically did the angle albeit in a smaller format, with Sid at Survivor Series. People were cheering Sid that night too. Shawn was one of the best wrestlers but a garbage human at the time. It’s too bad.
My kids were really afraid of big Vader.😳😂
Well if Vader stunk then he stunk . I'm not a wrestler but I hate working with unhygienic guys at work so I don't blame Michaels for not liking it especially as a wrestler ,you gotta get up close and personal. Wash your ring gear piggy.
Remember Nikki Bella Didn't know he was dead
Biggest waste of a good performer: Vader in WWF, or Bret Hart in WCW?
Vader was my favourite wrestler
Most of his matches in Japan were mostly 5 stars. Scariest big man RIP
Rest in peace Big Bad V !🥲
Vader would have been perfect for the Brawl For All. Had he signed on for it that is.
Three words:Michael Shawn Hickenbottom.....
Was Mick Foley angry with vader for taking his ear?
No, he was annoyed at WCW for not using it onscreen towards their feud though
Top five best big man ever!
3 letters: H B K
HB Gay
I never knew his manager was Harley Race 😮
He deserved much better 🤘
Vader should have gone over at King of the Ring 1996? Does not compute.
It's simple mc mahan destroys what he doesn't create
He injured his shoulder just after his debut, returned heavier. He didn’t wash his gear, either. Management and backstage politicians will always be there, but the wrestler needs to prove their worth too.
Well Bret Hart, Jake Roberts also said about smell. So Vader ruined it by himself, to be not hygienic as he should be.
Also Vader was not save to work with, he could not fake his punches entierly. And his bombs were danger.
When Shawn stomped his head he should of gotten up and threw him a beating live on PPV. if that happened we would still be talking about it and HBK would of been finished in America
Why wasted? He was the best heel ever.
I was so scared of that guy
There seems ro be a common theme: Shaun Michael's. He's a spoilt kid who can't see past his own nose, but shame on Vince for acquesing to all his childish demands.
Given we know the history of WWF/WWE inflating their numbers do we really know what Yokozuna's actual weight. I mean he could have been easily 400-450 but if he's a monster heel or babyface it sounds reasonable that they would have said he was 600lbs.
Didn't build him to win any championship in WWF. Shame on Vince and his disasters . Boycott Vince and his now WWE.
Vader had a really good career in every Promotion he was ever in
A lot of guys were screwed over because of HBK and his buddies.
Big Van Vader was a dominant wrestler before coming to WWE/F, he was legendary...we knew he was going to fade away once he wrestled for WWE/F, that is where established wrestler's careers go to die...remember Terry Taylor, Steve Keirnes (Skinner), Sting, Dallas Page and Kronik, just to name a few...all mentioned could of been, should of been, would of been...WWE/F is not the only place to wrestle, true wrestling fans will know you...
GOD GIVE US BACK VADER AND WILL GIVE U JOE MACK !!!
Vader was a bad ass in Japan, WWE fucked up with him
Why does Hulk look deflated in wcw?
Vaders career was better than most