How can I be obedient to God and His request to love my enemies, if I take gun with intetion to shoot at my enemy. As Jesus have give us more light on 7th "you shall not commit adultery" He also give us more light on 6th comandment "thou shall not kill". It is easy to understand but it is not easy to obey, especially for one who has depart from Jesus and His Spirit. One who has abundance of His Spirit find it much more difficult to use that gun, than to put it away. "hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" I like to see dr Vine not killed (silenced) but alive (speaking) at his Church😊 Well done Village Seventh-day Church.. From buttom to the top, not otherwise, not like papal sistem
Must read it again, as far as remember they were to keep quite all the way and speak not, but last circle they had to shout with all their might. Can't recall singing!
Thank you for the insights of history when crisis come. Goes to show that church can disappear overnight. Also thank you for the chart of events and vision of sis White. I did not catch well the idea about the SDARM killing the prophet by not accepting the unpublished materials and also what was their problem with the marriage and health reform being in the same vision. Marriage is for life, God never intended divorce, but allowed it because the hardness of human hearts. Usualy the woman suffer in an unhappy marriage more than the man. Such allowance must have been for the protection of the women.
Good presentation, but he didn't explain why Joshua 6 doesn't apply. One those seven days was obviously a Sabbath. Not saying he's wrong, but some clarification is needed here.
Israel was under a theocracy and directly commanded by God to overthrow Jericho and in the manner He specified to Joshua. This was not a secular battle. The Ark of the Covenant went before the people, and God Himself caused the walls to fall. The strength of man had nothing to do with the destruction of the city. Everything in the city was to be given to the Lord: "Now the city shall be doomed by the LORD to destruction, it and all who are in it... “But all the silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are consecrated to the LORD; they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.” vss. 17, 19. There was to be no personal or national gain from the destruction of Jericho. Contrast this with the reasons wars are fought today. Also note the consequences Achan and his entire family suffered when he attempted to profit from the fall of the city. Neither the church conference, nor the state has the authority to countermand the commandments of God, regardless of the perceived righteousness of the cause. "...We ought to obey God rather than men." -- Acts 5:29
Remember, Israel was a theocracy. The God we serve does not change, so even if the walked around Jericho on Sabbath it was just a prayer walk to be a testimony to the people of Jericho. While I have no way of proving it, I believe the actual invasion was not on Sabbath. Also, let's not forget the life story of Desmond Doss and Steve Argaraves.
Israel was under a theocracy and directly commanded by God to overthrow Jericho and in the manner He specified to Joshua. This was not a secular battle. The Ark of the Covenant went before the people, and God Himself caused the walls to fall. The strength of man had nothing to do with the destruction of the city. Everything in the city was to be given to the Lord: "Now the city shall be doomed by the LORD to destruction, it and all who are in it... “But all the silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are consecrated to the LORD; they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.” vss. 17, 19. There was to be no personal or national gain from the destruction of Jericho. Contrast this with the reasons wars are fought today. Also note the consequences Achan and his entire family suffered when he attempted to profit from the fall of the city. Neither the church conference, nor the state has the authority to countermand the commandments of God, regardless of the perceived righteousness of the cause. "...We ought to obey God rather than men." -- Acts 5:29
Good to see you Dr. Vine !. I’M STANDING WITH YOU !!.
Amen. Soul provoking. Well expressed!
How can I be obedient to God and His request to love my enemies, if I take gun with intetion to shoot at my enemy. As Jesus have give us more light on 7th "you shall not commit adultery" He also give us more light on 6th comandment "thou shall not kill".
It is easy to understand but it is not easy to obey, especially for one who has depart from Jesus and His Spirit.
One who has abundance of His Spirit find it much more difficult to use that gun, than to put it away.
"hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?"
I like to see dr Vine not killed (silenced) but alive (speaking) at his Church😊
Well done Village Seventh-day Church..
From buttom to the top, not otherwise, not like papal sistem
In Joshua 6 didn't use guns and didn't kill, they were carrying the arc of covenant and were singing.
Must read it again, as far as remember they were to keep quite all the way and speak not, but last circle they had to shout with all their might. Can't recall singing!
Thank you for the insights of history when crisis come. Goes to show that church can disappear overnight.
Also thank you for the chart of events and vision of sis White.
I did not catch well the idea about the SDARM killing the prophet by not accepting the unpublished materials and also what was their problem with the marriage and health reform being in the same vision.
Marriage is for life, God never intended divorce, but allowed it because the hardness of human hearts.
Usualy the woman suffer in an unhappy marriage more than the man. Such allowance must have been for the protection of the women.
Thank you. Very good.
Amen
Good presentation, but he didn't explain why Joshua 6 doesn't apply. One those seven days was obviously a Sabbath. Not saying he's wrong, but some clarification is needed here.
Israel was under a theocracy and directly commanded by God to overthrow Jericho and in the manner He specified to Joshua. This was not a secular battle. The Ark of the Covenant went before the people, and God Himself caused the walls to fall. The strength of man had nothing to do with the destruction of the city. Everything in the city was to be given to the Lord: "Now the city shall be doomed by the LORD to destruction, it and all who are in it...
“But all the silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are consecrated to the LORD; they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.” vss. 17, 19.
There was to be no personal or national gain from the destruction of Jericho.
Contrast this with the reasons wars are fought today.
Also note the consequences Achan and his entire family suffered when he attempted to profit from the fall of the city.
Neither the church conference, nor the state has the authority to countermand the commandments of God, regardless of the perceived righteousness of the cause.
"...We ought to obey God rather than men." -- Acts 5:29
Was the taking of Jericho in Joshua 6 done at God’s command? Was WWI done at God’s command? Just a thought.
Remember, Israel was a theocracy. The God we serve does not change, so even if the walked around Jericho on Sabbath it was just a prayer walk to be a testimony to the people of Jericho. While I have no way of proving it, I believe the actual invasion was not on Sabbath. Also, let's not forget the life story of Desmond Doss and Steve Argaraves.
Agreed. I'm not sure that the statement is justified without an explanation.
Israel was under a theocracy and directly commanded by God to overthrow Jericho and in the manner He specified to Joshua. This was not a secular battle. The Ark of the Covenant went before the people, and God Himself caused the walls to fall. The strength of man had nothing to do with the destruction of the city. Everything in the city was to be given to the Lord: "Now the city shall be doomed by the LORD to destruction, it and all who are in it...
“But all the silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are consecrated to the LORD; they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.” vss. 17, 19.
There was to be no personal or national gain from the destruction of Jericho.
Contrast this with the reasons wars are fought today.
Also note the consequences Achan and his entire family suffered when he attempted to profit from the fall of the city.
Neither the church conference, nor the state has the authority to countermand the commandments of God, regardless of the perceived righteousness of the cause.
"...We ought to obey God rather than men." -- Acts 5:29
i will translate it into italian
Interesting that the draft ended in 1972, eliminating the need, at the time, for C.O. declarations. I understand the draft may be re-instated soon.
In all times and in all places we need to obey God rather than men. Thank you so much for this presentation .
"The draft may be re-instated soon" ?! .. Care to share your source?? 🤔