I like your plaque behind you that says “keep pickleball fun.” Super important to keep in mind, even when you’re trying to improve your game. Thanks for the information about when to replace your paddle.
In answering the question "how often should you change paddles because of loss of grit" why don't you use the "grit meter" to quantify how fast the grit deteriorates. I imagine that for a high quality carbon fiber face paddle that the grit might be sustained for years. That would be an important parameter to know for consumers to know.
Pretty simple in my opinion. Durability tier list: S: old gearbox solid span paddles A-D: Everything else. Kevlar doesn't last as well as T700 but is better than spray on grit imo. Edgeless is far worse for durability (more impactful than face material imo). Thermoforming makes dead spots moreso than non-thermoformed paddles, but Gen 1 paddles are more likely to develop handle issues - maybe a wash?
Congrats on new court. Neighbors won’t think the clacking is bad compared to the leaf blowers getting the leaves off the court. 😛Hint: get at least one quiet leaf blower. I had a tennis friend that one day finally got his tennis court. Unfortunately he had some runoff issues when it rained. One day at the tennis club he said what he really liked about the club is they cleaned off the court and he just showed up and played. 😂 Looks like you have raised edges/drop off … should be good with no dirt getting on court. Now you need a shed to keep the ball machine in.
Looking forward to see you guys on Friday pickleball's channel playing with frying pans or with one arm tied behind your back. Those guys are hilarious.
Enjoyed the podcast. Good luck in your tournaments Chris and Aizec. Will you be showing your doubles play from worlds? Have a wonderful week, Chris and Aizec.
Great timing! I returned Gen 3 after the ban then got Bantam TKO-CX. I feel like it's losing spin after 4 months of 3-4x a week hard play. Otherwise, it's super durable, but I can tell I'm losing spin and it's making me adjust my shots and lose a little confidence, especially on hard topspin drives. Looking at the Ripple next, want to go back to something with a bigger sweet spot but a lot of power and spin.
I’ve been playing with the hurricane 14mm since March, so over 6 months, pretty sure it’s more power and less control oriented now that the spin is gone. It’s not delaminated but might pick up a skin to see if that help, but also guess I need a new paddle 😅
Another reason to replace a paddle is when you outgrow your old paddle. For example sometimes I see beginner players with Walmart paddles and I would offer for them to try my carbon fiber paddle. Usually, if they play more than once a week, they will want to replace their Walmart paddles.
Yeah, we’ll have to revisit the prediction that Quang Duong will dominate pickleball at some point. Much has to change before that even gets close to being the case. Good luck with control and consistency when you use a western or even semi western grip and rely on constant speed ups and high spin shots to win. While it singles it seems to pay off, in doubles it hasn’t and won’t until the equipment significantly changes if it even gets there. This approach is self limiting.
Gen 3 is crazy power - Gearbox, Ripple. Joola, Paddle Tech, even Engage because the focus is on power not the foam Gen 2 thermoformed with or without foam but no extreme power since even the original G2's had foaming injected in the edges
Have you seen/ heard of the 20mm Nicol Icarus. Been using the LUXX epic control Air and wanted to explore other 20mm paddles. Came across the nicol icarus. Any review on the horizon for this? Looks intriguing.
Chris, is there a way to measure the surface roughness of a paddle to correlate how much it’s worn out, or we simply have to go with the feel during play? (Congrats on the progress of the court!)
Wonder if changing the terminology to Type 1 or Type 2 construction instead of Gen 1, Gen 2 might be one way to go? Then it is more of a description rather than a progression
any opinions on a company like Selkirk offering a "respray" service obv for a fee. But I personally would gladly pay like $50 for a respray on a paddle that I play well with.
I hope other companies figure out how to add longevity but don't play/sound like a gearbox. I personally cannot play with them. I do wish that all paddles had a better and more consistent life span though.
Playable, durable, and quiet… not necessarily in that order. My wife and I are trying to build a court on our property and believe me, if the game were quieter it would be a hell of a lot easier, but it’s not. We certainly aren’t the only ones. Also, community courts are getting harder and harder to get approval. I should have said quieter and legal for tournament play.
Pickleball needs to move towards longer lifespan paddles. Similar to how tennis, badminton, and other racquet sports are doing it. I don't my refreshing the face of the paddle, but not getting rid of all of it.
I think you have to compare the two fairly as racquets have strings and while I've used the same tennis racquet(s) for many years I have to restring them on occasion. This isn't to say that there should be more effort to make them last longer, especially for the prices, but need to compare apples to apples.
Every single paddle I've ever owned (over a dozen) has lost 90% of its grit over first 4-6mo. Seems there's no way to make a paddle with permanent grit for some reason.
When cursing becomes an issue, the burden should NOT be on the officials to make subjective assessments of a clear rule. Rules that are impractical to enforce must be changed or eliminated. Those officiating must be equal partner to players in making changes. You know, like the volley serve. It should go away.
I hate how you spend money on a paddle you get used to a paddle then it’s slowly changes and wears out and then you have to do it all over again stupid expensive.
I had as many issues by getting a paddle that didn't fit my game/feel good to me because you are just picking something based on the brand, the look or some reviews you hope will translate to you. I've traded or given them to my friends or wife. I feel your pain but if you find a great paddle that works for you be happy and enjoy the game.
@@mr.mr.3301 Thanks, I have watched some reviews of the j2ti but for me it's not the paddle layout I generally use. I have played with someone using the j2k and it's quite impressive. I have been looking at the Ronbus Ripple 1.14 since it's an elongated paddle. However, I've only ever used control paddles.
So what causes spin? I used to think it was raw Kevlar or carbon fiber but found out it’s actually a clear epoxy coat right? Do some last longer than others? Why can’t we refresh them?
A couple companies have said they have texture durability technology that makes them last longer. But from everyone that I know that have used them, it’s minimal at best. The general rule of thumb if you’re using your paddle on a regular basis is that your paddle loses about 1000 rpm per month. And you can’t replace the “grit” because the “grit” is just an imprinted texture on the epoxy sheet that is laminated to the face. So you can’t re imprint it to get the grit back.
@@JflipJedi this makes me rethink what I’m paying for paddles. I love my J2k but its grit is wearing out faster than I like. So I’m thinking about cheap paddles and often replacement.
@@mr.mr.3301 typically what you’re paying for is paddle construction and materials. Spin is important but only one out of several important characteristics of a good paddle. So you can go for cheap paddles instead but you’ll usually notice a pretty huge difference in sweet spot and feel off the face. You can almost always feel a difference in quality as soon as you hit your first few drives or resets. So, just a matter priorities. Personally, I would prefer to play with a paddle that feels good even if the spin isn’t crazy anymore after 6 months. Rather than replacing a paddle every month but it just never really feels good even when it’s new.
@gehanaric....got it ...I'm sure it'll be fine..Ed Ju has immediate neighbours and so does Callie Smith and all seems OK 👍 for them so hopefully PB Studio will have the same luck.
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This weeks “whatnot” count 😂
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Chris - 0
Let’s go!!! 🤣
I like your plaque behind you that says “keep pickleball fun.” Super important to keep in mind, even when you’re trying to improve your game. Thanks for the information about when to replace your paddle.
In answering the question "how often should you change paddles because of loss of grit" why don't you use the "grit meter" to quantify how fast the grit deteriorates. I imagine that for a high quality carbon fiber face paddle that the grit might be sustained for years. That would be an important parameter to know for consumers to know.
On the topic of when to replace paddles, have you guys considered a top 5 list of most durable paddles? Spin, core, and edge guard
Pretty simple in my opinion.
Durability tier list:
S: old gearbox solid span paddles
A-D: Everything else. Kevlar doesn't last as well as T700 but is better than spray on grit imo. Edgeless is far worse for durability (more impactful than face material imo). Thermoforming makes dead spots moreso than non-thermoformed paddles, but Gen 1 paddles are more likely to develop handle issues - maybe a wash?
Another reason to replace a paddle. FOMO
This is reason #1
Chris, get them all Pickleball Paddles! and give them exclusive court time...friends for life!! They will end up hooked just like we all did.
Congrats on new court. Neighbors won’t think the clacking is bad compared to the leaf blowers getting the leaves off the court. 😛Hint: get at least one quiet leaf blower.
I had a tennis friend that one day finally got his tennis court. Unfortunately he had some runoff issues when it rained. One day at the tennis club he said what he really liked about the club is they cleaned off the court and he just showed up and played. 😂 Looks like you have raised edges/drop off … should be good with no dirt getting on court.
Now you need a shed to keep the ball machine in.
Looking forward to see you guys on Friday pickleball's channel playing with frying pans or with one arm tied behind your back. Those guys are hilarious.
Enjoyed the podcast. Good luck in your tournaments Chris and Aizec. Will you be showing your doubles play from worlds? Have a wonderful week, Chris and Aizec.
Great timing! I returned Gen 3 after the ban then got Bantam TKO-CX. I feel like it's losing spin after 4 months of 3-4x a week hard play. Otherwise, it's super durable, but I can tell I'm losing spin and it's making me adjust my shots and lose a little confidence, especially on hard topspin drives. Looking at the Ripple next, want to go back to something with a bigger sweet spot but a lot of power and spin.
Great video. Paddletek is expensive but I think it's worth the price.
It would be really cool if created a poll and let your fans decide what colors you should eventually paint your court
I’ve been playing with the hurricane 14mm since March, so over 6 months, pretty sure it’s more power and less control oriented now that the spin is gone. It’s not delaminated but might pick up a skin to see if that help, but also guess I need a new paddle 😅
Thank you for responding to my request
Another reason to replace a paddle is when you outgrow your old paddle. For example sometimes I see beginner players with Walmart paddles and I would offer for them to try my carbon fiber paddle. Usually, if they play more than once a week, they will want to replace their Walmart paddles.
Yeah, we’ll have to revisit the prediction that Quang Duong will dominate pickleball at some point. Much has to change before that even gets close to being the case. Good luck with control and consistency when you use a western or even semi western grip and rely on constant speed ups and high spin shots to win. While it singles it seems to pay off, in doubles it hasn’t and won’t until the equipment significantly changes if it even gets there. This approach is self limiting.
You know it’s time to get a new paddle when Chris, John, and Braydon all LOVE the same paddle 😂
Gen 3 is crazy power - Gearbox, Ripple. Joola, Paddle Tech, even Engage because the focus is on power not the foam
Gen 2 thermoformed with or without foam but no extreme power since even the original G2's had foaming injected in the edges
I also had the filth that core crushed.. and it was amazing! Until I found out it was then illegal and broken 😂
Have you seen/ heard of the 20mm Nicol Icarus. Been using the LUXX epic control Air and wanted to explore other 20mm paddles. Came across the nicol icarus. Any review on the horizon for this? Looks intriguing.
What is the "discord " where is it? do you have a link, is it a separate server for the channel thats like a chatroom, or .... Thanks
Chris, is there a way to measure the surface roughness of a paddle to correlate how much it’s worn out, or we simply have to go with the feel during play? (Congrats on the progress of the court!)
I drill a lot and have a record of how many balls I have hit with a paddle. paddles seem to last about 10 to 15 to 20,000 balls
Wonder if changing the terminology to Type 1 or Type 2 construction instead of Gen 1, Gen 2 might be one way to go? Then it is more of a description rather than a progression
Did you say no paint on the court until next year? Why so long?
Because concrete has to cure for 30 days and then it will be too cold to paint in MN.
Is there enough going on at a PPA tournament to do a show about the “things to know when going to your first ppa tourney”?
Guys, why does my Franklin Dynasty get dirty so quickly? I have to clean it after every use....
any opinions on a company like Selkirk offering a "respray" service obv for a fee. But I personally would gladly pay like $50 for a respray on a paddle that I play well with.
Gearbox is on the right path for durability, but they struggle to make a large sweet spot.
The sweet spot on the pro ultimate is surprisingly nice.
I hope other companies figure out how to add longevity but don't play/sound like a gearbox. I personally cannot play with them. I do wish that all paddles had a better and more consistent life span though.
Playable, durable, and quiet… not necessarily in that order. My wife and I are trying to build a court on our property and believe me, if the game were quieter it would be a hell of a lot easier, but it’s not. We certainly aren’t the only ones. Also, community courts are getting harder and harder to get approval.
I should have said quieter and legal for tournament play.
When Chris says there’s a better paddle??? No?
Pickleball needs to move towards longer lifespan paddles. Similar to how tennis, badminton, and other racquet sports are doing it. I don't my refreshing the face of the paddle, but not getting rid of all of it.
I think you have to compare the two fairly as racquets have strings and while I've used the same tennis racquet(s) for many years I have to restring them on occasion. This isn't to say that there should be more effort to make them last longer, especially for the prices, but need to compare apples to apples.
Every single paddle I've ever owned (over a dozen) has lost 90% of its grit over first 4-6mo. Seems there's no way to make a paddle with permanent grit for some reason.
New CRBN??? News😢
Information on 11six24 huarachi alpha??
For the average player, the paddle should last 5 + years.
durability king = proton series 1
When cursing becomes an issue, the burden should NOT be on the officials to make subjective assessments of a clear rule. Rules that are impractical to enforce must be changed or eliminated. Those officiating must be equal partner to players in making changes. You know, like the volley serve. It should go away.
Tweener B-Roll in every video from now on?
I didn’t see posts on you court/ concrete slab. Are you not going to have a permanent net?
Likely doing a C&D net on wheels
Do you guys think Friday paddles are good for a newer player? Or should I spend more to get a better paddle ?
PIKKL has a 30% off sale right now. I would get the Vantage Pro that Gabe Tardio uses for ~$100 if I were you
@@bolbi858 thank you
Grip too big for most females
Definitely is, but I would get the Vatic Pro Prism Flash for under 100. Amazing play
@@bolbi858what’s the 30% off code?
Aizec, “star dust grit” is actually a great idea! Fusion in stars is how elements are made.
I hate how you spend money on a paddle you get used to a paddle then it’s slowly changes and wears out and then you have to do it all over again stupid expensive.
I had as many issues by getting a paddle that didn't fit my game/feel good to me because you are just picking something based on the brand, the look or some reviews you hope will translate to you. I've traded or given them to my friends or wife. I feel your pain but if you find a great paddle that works for you be happy and enjoy the game.
@@michaelnoe1195 I have a j2k I love. Would like to try the new j2ti
@@mr.mr.3301 Thanks, I have watched some reviews of the j2ti but for me it's not the paddle layout I generally use. I have played with someone using the j2k and it's quite impressive. I have been looking at the Ronbus Ripple 1.14 since it's an elongated paddle. However, I've only ever used control paddles.
So what causes spin? I used to think it was raw Kevlar or carbon fiber but found out it’s actually a clear epoxy coat right? Do some last longer than others? Why can’t we refresh them?
A couple companies have said they have texture durability technology that makes them last longer. But from everyone that I know that have used them, it’s minimal at best. The general rule of thumb if you’re using your paddle on a regular basis is that your paddle loses about 1000 rpm per month. And you can’t replace the “grit” because the “grit” is just an imprinted texture on the epoxy sheet that is laminated to the face. So you can’t re imprint it to get the grit back.
@@JflipJedi this makes me rethink what I’m paying for paddles. I love my J2k but its grit is wearing out faster than I like. So I’m thinking about cheap paddles and often replacement.
@@mr.mr.3301 typically what you’re paying for is paddle construction and materials. Spin is important but only one out of several important characteristics of a good paddle. So you can go for cheap paddles instead but you’ll usually notice a pretty huge difference in sweet spot and feel off the face. You can almost always feel a difference in quality as soon as you hit your first few drives or resets. So, just a matter priorities. Personally, I would prefer to play with a paddle that feels good even if the spin isn’t crazy anymore after 6 months. Rather than replacing a paddle every month but it just never really feels good even when it’s new.
Selkirk, can't beat umm so join umm
Just use owl paddles if the neighbour gets annoyed
Good idea. It’s not like he’s a paddle reviewer or anything.
@gehenaric I know but has he even got the Owl?
@@TCW1977what theyre saying is hes gonna use his court to review paddles lol
@gehanaric....got it ...I'm sure it'll be fine..Ed Ju has immediate neighbours and so does Callie Smith and all seems OK 👍 for them so hopefully PB Studio will have the same luck.
Genie is more interested in getting more Instagrams subscribers…pickleball is just a hobby.
Damn I wish I was your neighbor.
Haven't heard a good belly laugh since Will left the pod.😢
when new technology comes out...
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