I really enjoy your videos. I am a casual hobby guitarist/producer and have used Logic since version 7. I used to buy plugins which did stuff I thought Logic couldn’t do (or which I figured was too hard), but now my motto is «Learn it in Logic first», and that has saved me some money. Logic Pro really has everything. I have the Launchkey Mini, but two years ago I invested in the Komplete Kontrol S49 mk2 which has worked wonderfully with Logic. I also have the Launchpad Mini (mk1) but have not really figured out the loop performance stuff in Logic yet.
Great vid! I just bought the Novation LaunchKey 49 and it works great with Logic. Was considering the new m-audio oxygen pro series, but I had proof of Novation’s integration w/Logic not just DAW capabilities but device level with Smart Controls. Novation’s use of pads and sliders in Logic is awesome.
Good to know -- I just picked up a LKMK3 49 myself. I am starting in Ableton Live Lite, but will be switching to Logic Pro X later this year when the next gen MacBooks come out. It's a great device, and like you, I was vacillating between the MK3 and the new Oxygen Pro 49. Got mine on sale for $90 less then the M-Audio.
If you are a logic pro user, you should try the Nektar controllers such as Panorama keyboards. they are totally mapped to Logic controls and Logic Instruments (not only the smart controls but every synth parameter !)...
THANK YOU!!! I have not been able to find a workaround to the launckey mini arm/mute/solo issue and you have fixed it, I've had this thing for nearly a year now lol. Someone linked to this video in a Reddit forum, that's how I found it. You rock. PS: I would totally recommend uploading just that short part of this video as a dedicated video for people who are searching youtube for this problem, sure you'd get a lot of views. Thanks again!
I discovered another script flaw with the Launchkey Mini MK3 in that “Pickup Mode” doesn’t work until you make the following changes: - Rotaries > Device | Mix | Pans | Sends A | Sends B > Knob 1-8 - Set Feedback = "None" for each of the knob entries above (default is “Left to Right Bar”) I also suggest taking a copy of the Logic Pro control surfaces preference file and have on hand. If you accidentally click on the LaunchKey in your control surfaces list, the default script will be re-loaded. Not sure if there is a way to disable this, but easy to just replace the preferences file if this happens. One done, this becomes a very solid setup.
Thanks for the Vid. I got the M32. Build quality is very good. However, it is very difficult to map the 8 knobs to software, like Arturia's Pigments, Analog Lab or even Logic's Alchemy. The controller knobs will not maintain their assignments. Often times after powering up the assignments will even disappear - leaving me to start the assignment process all over again. NI's documentation is terrible IMO. This should be easy, not a frustrating chore. If you have a suggesting link I'm all ears/eyes. Thanks.
Dude! Not at all what I thought you looked like. Bald men unite! I’d totally rock the stash, but the wife said no so I just do the full beard. Love your content! Been using logic since version 9. You have helped me learn so much! Thank you!!!! I also use the NI s61 and I have a Yamaha clavinova for pianos. I have a bunch of analog synths as well. My prophet 6 is my baby.
yes! best controller for Ableton users is all I hear too. I ordered a Novation Impulse and the shop told me they're discontinued. Back to square one. Thanks for your channel and dedication in coaching and educating Logic Pro X users. You are brilliant. Thanks Friend.
Well done! I had just ordered my Akai MPK mini on Amazon when I came across this vid. Immediately cancelled my order and bought the Novation Launchkey instead! Thanks! I'm now your newest subscriber. Great job!
@@WhyLogicProRules quick follow up. I purchased the Launchkey however it is not compatible my M1 Mac mini. Been waiting almost 30 days to decide to return it. I don't want to but I'm not sure if Novation is going to update compatibility. Any thoughts? *besides manual mapping*
@@genejeanniekomar1038 I'm also looking to get a Midi keyboard for my m1 air, but am seeing compatibility issues across the board for many midi keyboards. Have you gotten it up and running with logic via manual mapping? Is it good?
@@daveglass6008 I have been waiting for Novation to issue a firmware update, but nothing in 3 months. Fortunately I have another MacBook Pro 16” (intel) that I’ve been using with it perfectly. But I hate having to pull out my laptop to add keyboards. I had thought Novation would jump all over the update. Had I known I’d still be waiting I would have sent it back. But I do like it, tho.
@@genejeanniekomar1038 damn, i just want a working midi keyboard for my new mac lol. Forget sending keyboards back, i just might send back the mac itself if nothings going to be compatible with it
I just asked this the other day on Facebook page. Why is there not a Logic dedicated controller? It just seems like someone needs to start a whole line of controllers for Logic specifically. It’s a no brainer. Thanks for the video. Also as mentioned the M- AUDIO OXYGEN PRO may be a great choice also🤷♂️
And make one that works with all MAC OS systems. I’m using a 2011 MBP ( upgraded to SSD and 8 gigs, ) but a ton of these controllers don’t work with that OS. There’s millions of ppl that use these older Macs because they’re still so upgradable, unlike newer ones. I’m also using I believe Logic 10.3 I mean Logic works perfectly on my MBP, but I need to find a controller that will work perfect with my older OS.
The Komplete Kontrol A and M series have a burn-in issue with the OLED display. Make sure you unplug your controller when not in use or over time the display will become unreadable. Also, there’s an issue with Logic where you will occasionally have to restart your Mac to get the transport buttons and scroll wheel to work again.
I'm using both the Novation Launchkey Mini MK3 and the Native Instruments A25, (larger version of the M32), I find myself using the Mini more and will probably sell the A25 soon, the software install for that is massive I think 5-10 gigs and I really didn't like the setup. Now I just got a 2020 iMac 27" and with more real estate on my desk, I still find myself loving the Launchkey, just a pure joy to use.
imma go with the native instrumentals because i also use maschine with logic and I love how the native instruments controllers work and look i do have a maschine mk3 but i gotta figure out how too get it setup with logic pro in midi mode
I used to think the M32 had a deficit without the pads, but I have a Launchpad X with 64 pads. So my current LaunchKey Mini (which I take on the road) is under-utilized. The LaunchKey mini pads are really used for things other than entering midi notes. Is it any better than using the keys for drums? Not really. I’d prefer the 32 keys, the endless encoders and the NI Komplete integration over the LaunchKey Mini. I think I’ll sell my mini…😢
I'm a hobbyist and have been using GB. I did buy Logic Pro a while back when I was a student. I happened to purchase the Novation Launchkey Mini and finding the limitations to use with GB frustrating. Been watching some of your videos and to see you have the same controller and nice integration, whoa. Also, in one of your previous videos, you mentioned starting something in GB iOS and bringing it into Logic. Perhaps I can use both. Great content! Thank you.
14:15 This is super important for people to understand. I bought the Komplete Kontrol S49 and will be returning it because it's like it's intentionally restricted in doing basic and logical things. Novation was my second choice in controller when I was looking at purchasing, and I saw how many people have the Komplete Kontrol S series keyboards, so I went with the KK. It's actually hideous in it's usability. The dedicated SETUP button is a case in point, push it and you get two options Velocity scaling and Displays brightness. Two options? on a controller of this level?. Native Instrument's forum show that people have wanted a standalone ARP for years and it's never been implemented. Anyway what suits one person doesn't always suit another.
Thank you for the Video. Just note that M32 as all Komplete Controllers are not yer supported on Macs running M1. So all the functionality just isn't there. Found out the hard way!
Excellent video, great explanations and objective critiques , go on with the good job dude you rock ;) , wish for a more in depth video of complete control integration thx
Hello. Logic does not gave me the OSC Question and DAW control did not work with my A49 on an M1 Mini. I can not figure out how to get the A49 to work correctly with Logic. Please HELP!!!
I bought an m32. Build quality is good but the keys are only fit for fixed velocity. Komplete control crashes logic sometimes. The mod wheel sucks. Make sure you try before you buy.
Great review, lots of news for me to use. I didn’t know about the smart control assignment fix. I already had an S61 and bought an M32 as a second screen alternative. My MAJOR issue with this set up is now Komplete Kontrol always chooses the M32 when both are plugged in and that cuts out all the KK functionality of the far more competent 61. Extremely frustrating. NI says it’s a ‘known issue’ and they are ‘working on it’ but the online chatter about it goes back years so... be warned: don’t buy this for tandem use with another NI Komplete Kontrol.
I think you should repost the part of the video for the fix on the Novation. I’m sure it will help a ton of folks. I had this problem couldn’t find anything anywhere and figured it out on my own it pissed me off for a whole afternoon it did work about a year ago. As always great tips and content man keep up the hard work.
I discovered another script flaw with the Launchkey Mini MK3 in that “Pickup Mode” doesn’t work until you make the following changes: - Rotaries > Device | Mix | Pans | Sends A | Sends B > Knob 1-8 - Set Feedback = "None" for each of the knob entries above (default is “Left to Right Bar”) I also suggest taking a copy of the Logic Pro control surfaces preference file and have on hand. If you accidentally click on the LaunchKey in your control surfaces list, the default script will be re-loaded. Not sure if there is a way to disable this, but easy to just replace the preferences file if this happens. One done, this becomes a very solid setup.
Great Video! I have a Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2, one thing I am scratching my head on is: how do you change logic patches from the controller? Would be great to change the sounds I’m playing without grabbing the mouse. Thanks for your help and the great videos!
Please remember though, the iPad does not have physical keys as a midi controller it would always be in addition to some kind of midi keyboard. The midi keyboards may integrate well with logic but I don’t like the key beds as I am more of a pianist and prefer weighted piano keys. For this reason I’m looking at the M-Audio Oxygen Pro 49. As you rightly said I just think 25 keys is a bit on the small side, especially for someone with more of a piano orientation.
I got the oxygen pro 61. Everything works but you need to have the keyboard DAW set as P.T (Pro Tools) and you need to setup the surface controller in Logic as a HUI controller.
@@AK-pj3rf Thanks Allen. So you set it has Pro Tools on the Oxygen instead of Logic, and then where is and what does HUI controller mean in Logic? Why didn't setting the oxygen as Logic work?
thank you for the great video! Would you tell me what you think of the MOTU ultralite AVB? I have had one for many years working with Logic and it seems ok. Do you or anyone have any thoughts on it? Thanks
Thanks, I just bought a M-Audio Oxygen PRO 25 last week. If your video had been up a week earlier, I'd have gone for the Novation, given its better Logic integration. On the M-Audio there is really no integration out of the box, apart from really basic Mackie/HUI emulation. On the positive side, its keyboard is excellent. If you have a chance to look at the Oxygen Pro with Logic, please do. I managed to get some DAW and smart control with a custom mapping and "Learned" controller assignments but it was journey and I am not really sure if it will work long term.
Hey! Would love to hear more about the Oxygen Pro, I’m trying to decide between it and the Launchkey Mini. How are the pads? Do the faders work with certain things? 32 keys seems cool compared to 25 like Chris mentions.. I wonder if the dimensions are similar? I’m a bit concerned about the Novation’s pads being too bright at night and also the fact that they don’t map automatically or in color to drums without customization.. I’m looking for portability too. the akai’s Joy stick and pads needing too much velocity narrows it down to these two, or a Roli? Lol let me know!
@@HunterHendricksonMusic Hi! First of all, I am an absolute novice , so my opinion needs to be taken with a pinch of salt:-) The oxygen pro 25 has a very good key bed. The keys feel almost like those of an electric piano. The drum pads feel not overly sensitive to me, but I have nothing to compare them to and I never used such pads before. The knobs feel solid and responsive either for mixing or controlling plugins. A big bonus are the smart chords and arpeggiator. As I am not a good pianist, they are a great help and easy to use. The biggest drawback I see for the moment is the lack of real Logic integration. The keyboard comes with a preset called “Logic” , but it doesn’t work for Logic. In fact the quickstart manual says you have to use the ProTools preset. Feels like M-Audio haven’t quite finished their homework before releasing this controller. Another indication of that is that there is no manual provided apart from the quick start guide. With some trial and error in the preset editor I managed to get some better Logic integration but for example I haven’t figured out how to change pad colours. I hope M-Audio comes up with a real manual and a real Logic DAW integration at some point. If you are looking for mobility, the oxygen pro isn’t the greatest. It’s about 2.5 kgs and there’s no way it fits in a normal size backpack. It is however a very good controller for a small home studio and probably also for live work. It’s solidly built. There is a lighter 32key mini version but that hasn’t hit the shops yet. To conclude, despite the DAW control limitations, I am happy with my purchase, but since I would like something mobile as well, I am now saving up for a novation 😀😀.
@@hvhvgitaar thanks for the reply! Good info. Also, someone I was under the impression you had the 32 key mini! I think Sweetwater has it now. Would be interesting to see how the stack up..
How I wish Apple would produce a Logic dedicated cc only controller. The Marcie DAW controller protocol is OK for mixer functions but cumbersome for anything else. Mapping cc controls for performance is time consuming and often frustrating when you get conflicts.
Love to get the M32 but it won't fit in a good backpack so I might buy the Novation. Wondering if the 8 buttons map also in Kontakt or Komplete Kontrol to the first 8 buttons, macros?
Nice. I ended up getting the iRig Keys IO 25 a few years ago. Integrates well with Logic also. Except...for me it drops out after an hour or 2 (sometimes sooner). :( Works great on the iPad though.
Hi Chris - I'm considering the LaunchKey mini as a desktop addition to supplement my S61 MK2. Could you confirm there are no issues with the LaunchKey mini as a controller for the Komplete Kontrol software? In particular, I understand the LaunchKey doesn't have endless encoders. If this results in large parameter jumps editing synth parameters, would be a dealbreaker. From your demo controlling LPX parameters, appears this shouldn't be an issue. Ultimately, I'd pair an M32 with the S61 but there are contention issues that NI needs to work out first.
Overall, the LaunchKey Mini MK3 is a nice and compact controller which works well with Logic once a few script changes are made (as per Chris, plus another to fix "Pickup" mode). That said, I couldn't get past the low travel keybed of the LaunchKey and ended up with an Arturia MiniLab MK2 instead. While support for Logic out of the box is horrible, the keybed is fantastic, and with 16 knobs/pads one can fully map out to make a fantastic Logic controller. I use in conjunction with Logic Remote on iPad for my desktop solution.
Great video. If one has a novation launch key, is there some added benefit to also purchasing the NI M32 apart from having 32 keys and some of the bundled software instruments? And if you were to pick one, which among these will you choose?
Novation could go further with Logic DAW controls. FF or RR to next Marker. Zoom in/out horizontally and vertically. There are more ideas... why not fill those custom pad and pot slots with something useful right out of the box?
1:37 not to slight people’s opinions/choices, but in my personal experience, Ableton is overly complicated. I’ve used many many many DAWs, and even Sony’s Acid Pro follows the typical DAW layout, which Ableton does not do. I think people “love” it because it typical comes bundled with gear.
Nice video, thanks! The Oxygen pro also seems to handle things with Logic pretty well, once it's set up right. Everything else works, but I can't seem to get the Sync working, so my arpeggio and repeats are in time with Logic. Any advice? Maybe I have the wrong sync settings in Logic? (great idea for a video btw :)
I have ipad 2013 air and Logic Remote does not work on it as it is IOS 12. I use Hexier TouchOSC hexler.net/docs/touchosc which is free and has a great Logic template. You can also use this on Pre iOS 13 iPhones too. It is also easy to set up your own templates. If you use Orchestra plugins I highly recommend the entry level Arturia Keylab Essential 88 as it is easier to have all keys for all instruments rather using the octave button.
My question is the Komplete control, does it use that large control dial to scan through logic presets? That’s one of the most time consuming things to me is having to mouse, click, and scroll through sounds. I’d rather it function more like the Korg Minilogue where you just turn a dial through all the patches.
Hey, i have the launchkey 49 and when the pads are in session mode, the record mute and solo do not match the color of the mode its in. ie. the pads are all orange rather than red and yellow for solar and record and red and blue for mute..... can anyone help????
Thanks so much for this video, it seems really hard to find good midis that are compatible with logic. The 2 I've narrowed it down to are Arturia keylab essential 49 and Novation Launchkey mk 3 49, does anyone have any experience of using both? The only holdback on the Launchkey is the keys are apparently not great.... Or secret option 3, is it worth investing a couple extra hundred on something like the Keylab mark 2? Any help would be greatly appreciated
I’ve got one of the cheap korg ones as I only needed faders, and I’m really curious as I can’t find anything on MIDI CC that isn’t over my head. It integrates with logic but the controller assignments I can’t really get to do what I want so wasn’t sure if CC mode would let me do what I’m trying to do. If anyone knows (or if you could make a video about the differences), I’d really appreciate it. Love this channel! Keep rockin that dome!
@Manny Cracker lol I actually don’t have that Oxygen Pro. The jog wheel issue is on different forums and all over the reviews on Amazon and they dropped the price just to sell them.
Can you get Novation to get the pot pickup on the Launchkey to work with Logic? It doesn't right now. Huge Fader and Pot jumps every time you switch between modes and then touch anything.
Chris, i upgraded to Mac studio. Logic will not recognize komplete control on my s88 mkii keyboard. The keyboard is working in other apps like ez keys. Logic runs the KK software but the S88 is not seeing the KK functions, or my Kontakt library. Any suggestions. Ps. I'm running Logic in Rosetta.
Just curious is the Komplete control has any trouble connecting to a Mac running 🏃♂️ Big Sur? I’ve had some trouble with some native instrument devices connecting.
PSA ; Komplete Kontrol M32’s Logic integration is not working properly with macOS 10.15 (probably Big Sur too?). it’s a known issue and the devs are working on it according to NI. When it functions as intended, it’s amazing as shown in the video and it works without an issue with Komplete Kontrol. But right now with Logic itself, you might not get the same experience.
Thanks for the heads up Josep Kim! I've been using the M32 with 10.15 without issues. But I'm about to jump into Big Sur to see what's up. Fingers crossed!
One more thing - I generally avoid using the Scale, Chord and ARP features in KK or built into any midi controller. I prefer those same midi FXs built into Logic. That way it doesn’t matter midi controller I’m using, I see the midi results in Logic, and I’m prepared for the future when I might get a new or better controller keyboard.
I have the komplete kontrol s25 and it does not work like that most of the knobs its not intergrated with logic do you know how i can get it to work like your komplete kontrol a32?
My M32 not work well on Logic pro.The play,record and all buttons not work, only the keyboard work.I instal all the driver and app and nothing.Please help me if you know any fix.
I’m still searching for a MIDI keyboard controller that works great with a 2011 MBP running High Sierra 10.13.6 I’ve upgraded to SSD and 8 gigs. I’ve tried a couple that just don’t seem to work well. Or even work at all. Does anyone have any suggestion of which one would work without issues, just plugging it in? I’d like to keep it to 32 keys, but maybe 25. But no bigger than 32. Anyone with knowledge of this that could help me out would be very much appreciated. Also need start/stop FF RW pause etc. I tried the Native Instrument Komplete Knotrol M32. Doesn’t work. Sucks because I really love it. About to send that one back unfortunately. It’d be REALLY helpful if all the reviewers would say what Macs they work with, and which Max OS they don’t. I REALLY wish I could use the Native Instruments M32. What sucks is on the product spec sheet it says it works with my MAC OS. But after downloading the stuff it gets to a point where it says “ OS too old, must be at least 11.. “ but online spec says it works with MAC OS 10.?.? And up.
Hi man i have 400 dolars and i want to buy a midi the fits logic and to give me the abilty to use it as conttroler interface so what and to be 61 simi wighted so what do you recommend
I just got the Komplete Kontrol 32 because of your video and I have to say that after a conversation with Logic support, Native Instruments is not as compatible or easy to set up as it sounds. I still can’t figure out how to get the controls all linked up.
Interesting. I’m thinking of selling my LaunchKey Mini and getting an M32. I have a LaunchKey 49 MK3 in the studio and I love it, but the LaunchKey Mini - albeit ideal for Ableton and Logic - isn’t as good with NI Komplete. I do like that the LaunchKey Mini transport, knobs and pads work out-of-the-box with Logic. I’m wondering if the NI M32 will also work as a DAW control surface with Logic? I gotta do some investigation… I think the M32 has a ‘DAW Mode’… but I need to know more.
@@JeffyG I don’t know I’ve only tried once and gave up. The keys don’t have that feature where they are sensitive to touch/pressure. I forget what they call that but it’s all around not worth it in my experience.
Thanks for the question! I had the MiniLab mk2 from Arturia for a while. The keybet felt nice and sturdy. Obviously great integration with Arturia's own instruments. But I found that Smart Controls in Logic did not like the rotary knobs. Maybe I had a bum unit. But every time I turned the knobs the Smart Controls would skip around erratically.
@@WhyLogicProRules having the same experience with my Arturia minlab mk2 and it's frustrating, maybe some settings that I'm not aware of but I don't really use it and use ipad remote. I miss having a midi keyboard, planning to pickup novation mini mk3 and selling the arturia
@@simonlynch6080 id try it again but I already got the novation. I kept using learn mode to map keys on the arturia but the volume knob for example kept unmapping. Probably user error or me not understanding but I felt like I was spending too much time fiddling with midi mapping. Novation has a lot of stuff mapped out of the box (well after You load the script)
Komplete Kontrol controller is complete trash with logic. The Daw controls always stop working for me after closing logic and I have to restart my computer to get it working again. LaunchKey all the way!
I got the minilab 3, and after hours of trying to get this to work with Logic, much less its own software, I'm pissed off and I'm sending it back. I'm getting the Komplete. This minilab 3 is a joke.
This guy seems to know logic better than the developers themselves 😂
Novation 37 full-size keys is the best. Real keys, playable and also portable
I had the NI M32 and loved it. Just recently upgraded to the NI S88 Mk2
I really enjoy your videos. I am a casual hobby guitarist/producer and have used Logic since version 7. I used to buy plugins which did stuff I thought Logic couldn’t do (or which I figured was too hard), but now my motto is «Learn it in Logic first», and that has saved me some money. Logic Pro really has everything. I have the Launchkey Mini, but two years ago I invested in the Komplete Kontrol S49 mk2 which has worked wonderfully with Logic. I also have the Launchpad Mini (mk1) but have not really figured out the loop performance stuff in Logic yet.
Great vid! I just bought the Novation LaunchKey 49 and it works great with Logic. Was considering the new m-audio oxygen pro series, but I had proof of Novation’s integration w/Logic not just DAW capabilities but device level with Smart Controls. Novation’s use of pads and sliders in Logic is awesome.
Good to know -- I just picked up a LKMK3 49 myself. I am starting in Ableton Live Lite, but will be switching to Logic Pro X later this year when the next gen MacBooks come out. It's a great device, and like you, I was vacillating between the MK3 and the new Oxygen Pro 49. Got mine on sale for $90 less then the M-Audio.
If you are a logic pro user, you should try the Nektar controllers such as Panorama keyboards. they are totally mapped to Logic controls and Logic Instruments (not only the smart controls but every synth parameter !)...
Wow i just watched a review this is the best alchemy/logic midi keyboard ive seen so far. Do they work well with current version 10.6.2?
nektar keyboard pretty lame
THANK YOU!!! I have not been able to find a workaround to the launckey mini arm/mute/solo issue and you have fixed it, I've had this thing for nearly a year now lol. Someone linked to this video in a Reddit forum, that's how I found it. You rock.
PS: I would totally recommend uploading just that short part of this video as a dedicated video for people who are searching youtube for this problem, sure you'd get a lot of views. Thanks again!
Happy to help Amelia! And happy Novation was able to help me, hah.
I discovered another script flaw with the Launchkey Mini MK3 in that “Pickup Mode” doesn’t work until you make the following changes:
- Rotaries > Device | Mix | Pans | Sends A | Sends B > Knob 1-8
- Set Feedback = "None" for each of the knob entries above (default is “Left to Right Bar”)
I also suggest taking a copy of the Logic Pro control surfaces preference file and have on hand. If you accidentally click on the LaunchKey in your control surfaces list, the default script will be re-loaded. Not sure if there is a way to disable this, but easy to just replace the preferences file if this happens. One done, this becomes a very solid setup.
Thanks for the Vid. I got the M32. Build quality is very good. However, it is very difficult to map the 8 knobs to software, like Arturia's Pigments, Analog Lab or even Logic's Alchemy. The controller knobs will not maintain their assignments. Often times after powering up the assignments will even disappear - leaving me to start the assignment process all over again. NI's documentation is terrible IMO. This should be easy, not a frustrating chore. If you have a suggesting link I'm all ears/eyes. Thanks.
Dude! Not at all what I thought you looked like. Bald men unite! I’d totally rock the stash, but the wife said no so I just do the full beard. Love your content! Been using logic since version 9. You have helped me learn so much! Thank you!!!! I also use the NI s61 and I have a Yamaha clavinova for pianos. I have a bunch of analog synths as well. My prophet 6 is my baby.
yes! best controller for Ableton users is all I hear too. I ordered a Novation Impulse and the shop told me they're discontinued. Back to square one. Thanks for your channel and dedication in coaching and educating Logic Pro X users. You are brilliant. Thanks Friend.
Well done! I had just ordered my Akai MPK mini on Amazon when I came across this vid. Immediately cancelled my order and bought the Novation Launchkey instead! Thanks! I'm now your newest subscriber. Great job!
So happy to be of help! And thanks for giving WLPR a try :)
@@WhyLogicProRules quick follow up. I purchased the Launchkey however it is not compatible my M1 Mac mini. Been waiting almost 30 days to decide to return it. I don't want to but I'm not sure if Novation is going to update compatibility. Any thoughts? *besides manual mapping*
@@genejeanniekomar1038 I'm also looking to get a Midi keyboard for my m1 air, but am seeing compatibility issues across the board for many midi keyboards. Have you gotten it up and running with logic via manual mapping? Is it good?
@@daveglass6008 I have been waiting for Novation to issue a firmware update, but nothing in 3 months. Fortunately I have another MacBook Pro 16” (intel) that I’ve been using with it perfectly. But I hate having to pull out my laptop to add keyboards. I had thought Novation would jump all over the update. Had I known I’d still be waiting I would have sent it back. But I do like it, tho.
@@genejeanniekomar1038 damn, i just want a working midi keyboard for my new mac lol. Forget sending keyboards back, i just might send back the mac itself if nothings going to be compatible with it
⚠️ Please, enable English automatic subtitles. It's in Corean ? You can adjust it in RUclips editor. Thanks. 🙏👍
Fantastic review of those 2 controllers. Thanks for sharing.
I just asked this the other day on Facebook page. Why is there not a Logic dedicated controller? It just seems like someone needs to start a whole line of controllers for Logic specifically. It’s a no brainer. Thanks for the video. Also as mentioned the M- AUDIO OXYGEN PRO may be a great choice also🤷♂️
They did it was the original Mackie Controller but Mackie decided to market it themselves after the work/deal was done..
@@boomish69 That's unfortunate
And make one that works with all MAC OS systems. I’m using a 2011 MBP ( upgraded to SSD and 8 gigs, ) but a ton of these controllers don’t work with that OS. There’s millions of ppl that use these older Macs because they’re still so upgradable, unlike newer ones. I’m also using I believe Logic 10.3 I mean Logic works perfectly on my MBP, but I need to find a controller that will work perfect with my older OS.
Very useful. Looking for a mini-keyboard that works well, and easily, for a beginner for Logic Pro X.
The Komplete Kontrol A and M series have a burn-in issue with the OLED display. Make sure you unplug your controller when not in use or over time the display will become unreadable. Also, there’s an issue with Logic where you will occasionally have to restart your Mac to get the transport buttons and scroll wheel to work again.
I'm using both the Novation Launchkey Mini MK3 and the Native Instruments A25, (larger version of the M32), I find myself using the Mini more and will probably sell the A25 soon, the software install for that is massive I think 5-10 gigs and I really didn't like the setup. Now I just got a 2020 iMac 27" and with more real estate on my desk, I still find myself loving the Launchkey, just a pure joy to use.
imma go with the native instrumentals because i also use maschine with logic and I love how the native instruments controllers work and look i do have a maschine mk3 but i gotta figure out how too get it setup with logic pro in midi mode
I used to think the M32 had a deficit without the pads, but I have a Launchpad X with 64 pads. So my current LaunchKey Mini (which I take on the road) is under-utilized. The LaunchKey mini pads are really used for things other than entering midi notes. Is it any better than using the keys for drums? Not really. I’d prefer the 32 keys, the endless encoders and the NI Komplete integration over the LaunchKey Mini. I think I’ll sell my mini…😢
Awesome video. But let’s not forget: Love of gadget is different from love of music. At the end of the day, how many songs did you write?
I'm a hobbyist and have been using GB. I did buy Logic Pro a while back when I was a student. I happened to purchase the Novation Launchkey Mini and finding the limitations to use with GB frustrating. Been watching some of your videos and to see you have the same controller and nice integration, whoa. Also, in one of your previous videos, you mentioned starting something in GB iOS and bringing it into Logic. Perhaps I can use both. Great content! Thank you.
Dude!!!! Love your channel. Great info and insights and really well presented. Thank you so much for these. Wish you blessings Chris. 🙏🏾
Great video! But does it support garage band as well as Logic Pro x? I mean notation lk mk3
14:15 This is super important for people to understand. I bought the Komplete Kontrol S49 and will be returning it because it's like it's intentionally restricted in doing basic and logical things. Novation was my second choice in controller when I was looking at purchasing, and I saw how many people have the Komplete Kontrol S series keyboards, so I went with the KK. It's actually hideous in it's usability. The dedicated SETUP button is a case in point, push it and you get two options Velocity scaling and Displays brightness. Two options? on a controller of this level?. Native Instrument's forum show that people have wanted a standalone ARP for years and it's never been implemented. Anyway what suits one person doesn't always suit another.
Thank you so much! THis video was just what I needed and had been looking for.
Best Logic teacher. Thank you for all the great content
Great video, love this channel. A "must follow" if you have Logic Pro.Thanks!
I have $250 to spend. What’s the next controller you would recommend for a logic user in that budget range? 😅 thank you
Thank you for the Video. Just note that M32 as all Komplete Controllers are not yer supported on Macs running M1. So all the functionality just isn't there. Found out the hard way!
Wow so much information in just few minutes this is cool , i like it
Excellent video, great explanations and objective critiques , go on with the good job dude you rock ;) , wish for a more in depth video of complete control integration thx
Hello. Logic does not gave me the OSC Question and DAW control did not work with my A49 on an M1 Mini. I can not figure out how to get the A49 to work correctly with Logic. Please HELP!!!
What about Nektar panorama T6 ? Thanks
I bought an m32. Build quality is good but the keys are only fit for fixed velocity. Komplete control crashes logic sometimes. The mod wheel sucks. Make sure you try before you buy.
Great review, lots of news for me to use. I didn’t know about the smart control assignment fix. I already had an S61 and bought an M32 as a second screen alternative. My MAJOR issue with this set up is now Komplete Kontrol always chooses the M32 when both are plugged in and that cuts out all the KK functionality of the far more competent 61. Extremely frustrating. NI says it’s a ‘known issue’ and they are ‘working on it’ but the online chatter about it goes back years so... be warned: don’t buy this for tandem use with another NI Komplete Kontrol.
i wonder if that would be the same case with S61 and Native mk3
I think you should repost the part of the video for the fix on the Novation. I’m sure it will help a ton of folks. I had this problem couldn’t find anything anywhere and figured it out on my own it pissed me off for a whole afternoon it did work about a year ago.
As always great tips and content man keep up the hard work.
I think I just might! Thanks for the recommendation.
I discovered another script flaw with the Launchkey Mini MK3 in that “Pickup Mode” doesn’t work until you make the following changes:
- Rotaries > Device | Mix | Pans | Sends A | Sends B > Knob 1-8
- Set Feedback = "None" for each of the knob entries above (default is “Left to Right Bar”)
I also suggest taking a copy of the Logic Pro control surfaces preference file and have on hand. If you accidentally click on the LaunchKey in your control surfaces list, the default script will be re-loaded. Not sure if there is a way to disable this, but easy to just replace the preferences file if this happens. One done, this becomes a very solid setup.
Great Video! I have a Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2, one thing I am scratching my head on is: how do you change logic patches from the controller? Would be great to change the sounds I’m playing without grabbing the mouse. Thanks for your help and the great videos!
Please remember though, the iPad does not have physical keys as a midi controller it would always be in addition to some kind of midi keyboard. The midi keyboards may integrate well with logic but I don’t like the key beds as I am more of a pianist and prefer weighted piano keys. For this reason I’m looking at the M-Audio Oxygen Pro 49. As you rightly said I just think 25 keys is a bit on the small side, especially for someone with more of a piano orientation.
Hi did you end up getting the oxygen pro? I was pretty much sold until I saw reviews that said it was a nightmare to configure to logic pro x?
Wonderful video. Thanks for the info!
very helpful. thanks!
What do you think about M Audio oxygen pro?
Same question!
Yeh, I have the same Question too 🤔
Same question..
I got the oxygen pro 61. Everything works but you need to have the keyboard DAW set as P.T (Pro Tools) and you need to setup the surface controller in Logic as a HUI controller.
@@AK-pj3rf Thanks Allen. So you set it has Pro Tools on the Oxygen instead of Logic, and then where is and what does HUI controller mean in Logic? Why didn't setting the oxygen as Logic work?
thank you for the great video! Would you tell me what you think of the MOTU ultralite AVB? I have had one for many years working with Logic and it seems ok. Do you or anyone have any thoughts on it? Thanks
This video is awesome
Hey do you think you can make a new video of best MIDI controllers for logic ?
Awesome video, thank you!
Awesome info. Thank you
Thanks, I just bought a M-Audio Oxygen PRO 25 last week. If your video had been up a week earlier, I'd have gone for the Novation, given its better Logic integration. On the M-Audio there is really no integration out of the box, apart from really basic Mackie/HUI emulation. On the positive side, its keyboard is excellent. If you have a chance to look at the Oxygen Pro with Logic, please do. I managed to get some DAW and smart control with a custom mapping and "Learned" controller assignments but it was journey and I am not really sure if it will work long term.
Hey! Would love to hear more about the Oxygen Pro, I’m trying to decide between it and the Launchkey Mini. How are the pads? Do the faders work with certain things? 32 keys seems cool compared to 25 like Chris mentions.. I wonder if the dimensions are similar? I’m a bit concerned about the Novation’s pads being too bright at night and also the fact that they don’t map automatically or in color to drums without customization.. I’m looking for portability too. the akai’s Joy stick and pads needing too much velocity narrows it down to these two, or a Roli? Lol let me know!
@@HunterHendricksonMusic Hi! First of all, I am an absolute novice , so my opinion needs to be taken with a pinch of salt:-) The oxygen pro 25 has a very good key bed. The keys feel almost like those of an electric piano. The drum pads feel not overly sensitive to me, but I have nothing to compare them to and I never used such pads before. The knobs feel solid and responsive either for mixing or controlling plugins. A big bonus are the smart chords and arpeggiator. As I am not a good pianist, they are a great help and easy to use. The biggest drawback I see for the moment is the lack of real Logic integration. The keyboard comes with a preset called “Logic” , but it doesn’t work for Logic. In fact the quickstart manual says you have to use the ProTools preset. Feels like M-Audio haven’t quite finished their homework before releasing this controller. Another indication of that is that there is no manual provided apart from the quick start guide. With some trial and error in the preset editor I managed to get some better Logic integration but for example I haven’t figured out how to change pad colours. I hope M-Audio comes up with a real manual and a real Logic DAW integration at some point. If you are looking for mobility, the oxygen pro isn’t the greatest. It’s about 2.5 kgs and there’s no way it fits in a normal size backpack. It is however a very good controller for a small home studio and probably also for live work. It’s solidly built. There is a lighter 32key mini version but that hasn’t hit the shops yet. To conclude, despite the DAW control limitations, I am happy with my purchase, but since I would like something mobile as well, I am now saving up for a novation 😀😀.
@@hvhvgitaar thanks for the reply! Good info. Also, someone I was under the impression you had the 32 key mini! I think Sweetwater has it now. Would be interesting to see how the stack up..
Hi, would you know if this still works as well in 2023. Talking about the Novation and especially the Smart Control mapping. Thanks!
How I wish Apple would produce a Logic dedicated cc only controller. The Marcie DAW controller protocol is OK for mixer functions but cumbersome for anything else. Mapping cc controls for performance is time consuming and often frustrating when you get conflicts.
Awesome video!
You should look at using a Novation Circuit for this. There'll be an awful lot of those on the secondhand market all of a sudden.
Love to get the M32 but it won't fit in a good backpack so I might buy the Novation. Wondering if the 8 buttons map also in Kontakt or Komplete Kontrol to the first 8 buttons, macros?
Nice. I ended up getting the iRig Keys IO 25 a few years ago. Integrates well with Logic also. Except...for me it drops out after an hour or 2 (sometimes sooner). :( Works great on the iPad though.
Hi Chris - I'm considering the LaunchKey mini as a desktop addition to supplement my S61 MK2. Could you confirm there are no issues with the LaunchKey mini as a controller for the Komplete Kontrol software? In particular, I understand the LaunchKey doesn't have endless encoders. If this results in large parameter jumps editing synth parameters, would be a dealbreaker. From your demo controlling LPX parameters, appears this shouldn't be an issue. Ultimately, I'd pair an M32 with the S61 but there are contention issues that NI needs to work out first.
Overall, the LaunchKey Mini MK3 is a nice and compact controller which works well with Logic once a few script changes are made (as per Chris, plus another to fix "Pickup" mode). That said, I couldn't get past the low travel keybed of the LaunchKey and ended up with an Arturia MiniLab MK2 instead. While support for Logic out of the box is horrible, the keybed is fantastic, and with 16 knobs/pads one can fully map out to make a fantastic Logic controller. I use in conjunction with Logic Remote on iPad for my desktop solution.
Great video. If one has a novation launch key, is there some added benefit to also purchasing the NI M32 apart from having 32 keys and some of the bundled software instruments? And if you were to pick one, which among these will you choose?
Hi - thanks for the tutorial. Can you do one on LaunchPads as well?
Novation could go further with Logic DAW controls. FF or RR to next Marker. Zoom in/out horizontally and vertically. There are more ideas... why not fill those custom pad and pot slots with something useful right out of the box?
Any impulse response for space designer for we expand our sound? that you recommend checking out, thanks
How did u get the transport keys to light up in logic? Mine work but they don’t light up. I have the launchkey 37
Any thoughts on Arturia minilab ?
M-Audio Oxygen Mini or Novation Mini MK3?
I use logic and can't really decide between these two. Any advice?
The entire video is him recommending you get the Novation Launchkey Mini Mk3 as a controller for Logic.
1:37 not to slight people’s opinions/choices, but in my personal experience, Ableton is overly complicated. I’ve used many many many DAWs, and even Sony’s Acid Pro follows the typical DAW layout, which Ableton does not do. I think people “love” it because it typical comes bundled with gear.
Excellent
Nice video, thanks! The Oxygen pro also seems to handle things with Logic pretty well, once it's set up right. Everything else works, but I can't seem to get the Sync working, so my arpeggio and repeats are in time with Logic. Any advice? Maybe I have the wrong sync settings in Logic? (great idea for a video btw :)
can you do a review for m audio oxygen pro mini on logic?
I have ipad 2013 air and Logic Remote does not work on it as it is IOS 12. I use Hexier TouchOSC hexler.net/docs/touchosc which is free and has a great Logic template. You can also use this on Pre iOS 13 iPhones too. It is also easy to set up your own templates. If you use Orchestra plugins I highly recommend the entry level Arturia Keylab Essential 88 as it is easier to have all keys for all instruments rather using the octave button.
My question is the Komplete control, does it use that large control dial to scan through logic presets? That’s one of the most time consuming things to me is having to mouse, click, and scroll through sounds. I’d rather it function more like the Korg Minilogue where you just turn a dial through all the patches.
Hey, i have the launchkey 49 and when the pads are in session mode, the record mute and solo do not match the color of the mode its in. ie. the pads are all orange rather than red and yellow for solar and record and red and blue for mute..... can anyone help????
How about now the akai mpk mini plus?
Have you had any experience using the Arturia Keystep 37 with Logic? If so, what were your thoughts on it?
What OS is needed to run the Komplete Kontrol software on Mac
Thanks so much for this video, it seems really hard to find good midis that are compatible with logic.
The 2 I've narrowed it down to are Arturia keylab essential 49 and Novation Launchkey mk 3 49, does anyone have any experience of using both? The only holdback on the Launchkey is the keys are apparently not great....
Or secret option 3, is it worth investing a couple extra hundred on something like the Keylab mark 2?
Any help would be greatly appreciated
I’ve got one of the cheap korg ones as I only needed faders, and I’m really curious as I can’t find anything on MIDI CC that isn’t over my head. It integrates with logic but the controller assignments I can’t really get to do what I want so wasn’t sure if CC mode would let me do what I’m trying to do. If anyone knows (or if you could make a video about the differences), I’d really appreciate it. Love this channel! Keep rockin that dome!
Anyone have any experience with the M-Audio Oxygen Pro? I use logic and am wondering how well the Oxygen Pro works with Logic?
Has pitch wheel issue
@Manny Cracker lol I actually don’t have that Oxygen Pro. The jog wheel issue is on different forums and all over the reviews on Amazon and they dropped the price just to sell them.
Can you get Novation to get the pot pickup on the Launchkey to work with Logic? It doesn't right now. Huge Fader and Pot jumps every time you switch between modes and then touch anything.
Chris, i upgraded to Mac studio. Logic will not recognize komplete control on my s88 mkii keyboard. The keyboard is working in other apps like ez keys. Logic runs the KK software but the S88 is not seeing the KK functions, or my Kontakt library. Any suggestions. Ps. I'm running Logic in Rosetta.
Just curious is the Komplete control has any trouble connecting to a Mac running 🏃♂️ Big Sur? I’ve had some trouble with some native instrument devices connecting.
go to native instruments website then click support then under support news you'll find your answer
PSA ; Komplete Kontrol M32’s Logic integration is not working properly with macOS 10.15 (probably Big Sur too?). it’s a known issue and the devs are working on it according to NI.
When it functions as intended, it’s amazing as shown in the video and it works without an issue with Komplete Kontrol. But right now with Logic itself, you might not get the same experience.
Thanks for the heads up Josep Kim! I've been using the M32 with 10.15 without issues. But I'm about to jump into Big Sur to see what's up. Fingers crossed!
One more thing - I generally avoid using the Scale, Chord and ARP features in KK or built into any midi controller. I prefer those same midi FXs built into Logic. That way it doesn’t matter midi controller I’m using, I see the midi results in Logic, and I’m prepared for the future when I might get a new or better controller keyboard.
Mmm there is a smart chord mode in Logic? I guess I haven’t dived deep enough into it’s advanced functions…
@@AlKalain Logic has Chord Trigger. It’s pretty good, but the FREE Ripchord plugin is super popular and easy
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I have the komplete kontrol s25 and it does not work like that most of the knobs its not intergrated with logic do you know how i can get it to work like your komplete kontrol a32?
Wish the komplete kontrol had pads
My M32 not work well on Logic pro.The play,record and all buttons not work, only the keyboard work.I instal all the driver and app and nothing.Please help me if you know any fix.
Hey man. I plugged in ready to play but it didn’t recognise it and none of the transport controls work…. What do I do?
Would like to hear about iPad based controllers... besides logic control. I am not much of a hardware guy.
I’m still searching for a MIDI keyboard controller that works great with a 2011 MBP running High Sierra 10.13.6 I’ve upgraded to SSD and 8 gigs. I’ve tried a couple that just don’t seem to work well. Or even work at all. Does anyone have any suggestion of which one would work without issues, just plugging it in? I’d like to keep it to 32 keys, but maybe 25. But no bigger than 32. Anyone with knowledge of this that could help me out would be very much appreciated. Also need start/stop FF RW pause etc. I tried the Native Instrument Komplete Knotrol M32. Doesn’t work. Sucks because I really love it. About to send that one back unfortunately. It’d be REALLY helpful if all the reviewers would say what Macs they work with, and which Max OS they don’t. I REALLY wish I could use the Native Instruments M32. What sucks is on the product spec sheet it says it works with my MAC OS. But after downloading the stuff it gets to a point where it says “ OS too old, must be at least 11.. “ but online spec says it works with MAC OS 10.?.? And up.
Thank you for the info. Unfortunately my Launchkey wont show up in the list:-(
I'm in same position. Only LaunchPAD mini MK3 show up even tho the installer says LaunchKEY !!
a year ago I bought akai mpk mini 2 but I do not like its integration into the logic.
Hi man i have 400 dolars and i want to buy a midi the fits logic and to give me the abilty to use it as conttroler interface so what and to be 61 simi wighted so what do you recommend
What's the best budget friendly macbook size to get...I have one now but Logic takes up all my memory
My arp is always out of sync with the launchkey mk3
Cypher describes equipment used on the Nebuchadnezzar
I just got the Komplete Kontrol 32 because of your video and I have to say that after a conversation with Logic support, Native Instruments is not as compatible or easy to set up as it sounds. I still can’t figure out how to get the controls all linked up.
Interesting. I’m thinking of selling my LaunchKey Mini and getting an M32. I have a LaunchKey 49 MK3 in the studio and I love it, but the LaunchKey Mini - albeit ideal for Ableton and Logic - isn’t as good with NI Komplete. I do like that the LaunchKey Mini transport, knobs and pads work out-of-the-box with Logic. I’m wondering if the NI M32 will also work as a DAW control surface with Logic? I gotta do some investigation… I think the M32 has a ‘DAW Mode’… but I need to know more.
@@JeffyG I don’t know I’ve only tried once and gave up. The keys don’t have that feature where they are sensitive to touch/pressure. I forget what they call that but it’s all around not worth it in my experience.
Curious what you think of the Arturia Keylab M2?
Thanks for the question! I had the MiniLab mk2 from Arturia for a while. The keybet felt nice and sturdy. Obviously great integration with Arturia's own instruments. But I found that Smart Controls in Logic did not like the rotary knobs. Maybe I had a bum unit. But every time I turned the knobs the Smart Controls would skip around erratically.
@@WhyLogicProRules having the same experience with my Arturia minlab mk2 and it's frustrating, maybe some settings that I'm not aware of but I don't really use it and use ipad remote. I miss having a midi keyboard, planning to pickup novation mini mk3 and selling the arturia
I have the arturia keylab mk2 and I have no issues…
@@simonlynch6080 id try it again but I already got the novation. I kept using learn mode to map keys on the arturia but the volume knob for example kept unmapping. Probably user error or me not understanding but I felt like I was spending too much time fiddling with midi mapping. Novation has a lot of stuff mapped out of the box (well after
You load the script)
Komplete Kontrol controller is complete trash with logic. The Daw controls always stop working for me after closing logic and I have to restart my computer to get it working again. LaunchKey all the way!
This man been around the block a few times 😂
Launchkey lights are blindingly bright even on the lowest setting
Why did I buy the Keystep 37? Would anyone of you using Keystep 37, keep it and why?
You should update this my friend, a lot has changed
I got the minilab 3, and after hours of trying to get this to work with Logic, much less its own software, I'm pissed off and I'm sending it back. I'm getting the Komplete. This minilab 3 is a joke.
F that. The one which is already mappef wins. I'm looking for something ready to go...