@History Hustle I‘m not sure if you’re going to read this comment because the Video is already „old“ for our modern understanding of Time but at the end of the Video there was (i think) a bug with the English subtitles. But again very great Video ❤️
HH… Kudos for your efforts to broaden the publics understanding of history… even when it exposes uncomfortable truths. There are still so many areas of recent history left unexplored, because they perhaps reflect badly on nations(?) An area I have always wished historians would focus more attention on is the Irish “belligerent neutrality” during WW2 and the measurable harm it caused the Allied war effort. How many folks are aware Churchill offered DeValera negations on Unification… and was flatly turned down? All nations have much to be proud of, and much to be ashamed of at the same time. Both angles need exposer to daylight. Thanks for your thoughtful content. I may not always agree with your point of view but I totally respect your skilz as a teacher!
You are mis-informed. In his 12 volume text 'The World at War' author Winston Churchill says UK, France and USA caused WW2, not Germany. Don't ask me to explain. Read it yourself.
@@HarrySmith-hr2iv It would be a mistake for you to assume I have not read every word Churchill ever published… or that I have the slightest interest in your opinions.
Finding out my African American history I was so confused to why I had Dutch in my dna ancestry. I understand the English but was perplexed about the Dutch. Hollanders arrived in NY area in 1671.
Thank you so much. Do you have information about the description of Dutch slave ships and the VOC, how were the slaves treated, were they educated, how about the Dutch burgers, low rank officers, The staging posts and the trading posts in Batavia, Ceylon, Galle, Mauritius and then the Malabar coast.
5:41 The Dutch to condemn the slave trade? That’s rich! Reality tells a whole different story. Like you said, salves were kept alive as long as possible, not because lives mattered but solely due to the fact that slaves were considered valuable cargo. Under pressure from the English the slave trade was prohibited in 1814. In the Netherlands, the abolition of slave labour and slavery did not follow until 1 July 1863, making it one of the very last countries in Europe to emancipate its slaves. And even then it was not a selfmade choice. Unless slave owners were compensated through the Dutch state, 300 guilders per slave, fat chance they’d give up their valuable cargo. And guess what, although released from slavery, slaves were required to continue their forced work for another ten years. Shameful! Sympathy among the Dutch lay with the slave owners, not the victims of slavery. In the US we’ve learned that the Dutch introduced the first slaves in America.
History Hustle Nope. The Dutch were pirates. They stole the slaves from the Spanish and brought them under a Dutch flag to Old Point Comfort - Hampton VA.
The dutch don’t like to talk about their dark history, that’s why they put way more emphasis on World War II so they can “hide behind” the Nazis: “Nazis are so bad, we dutch people were all in the resistance and we never did a bad thing” ;) “We were just very good at trading, that’s why we consider slavery/colonization our “golden era”!” #koopvaardij Offended dutch people reacting in 3...2...1...go! ;)
@@MoksiMeti What dark history? the day we bought African slaves from their fellow Africans? We hide behind WW2? are you stupid, do we blame Germans nowadays for what happened to our grand parents? No we don't. So why should modern day Dutch people feel guilty about the 1% that actually owned slaves back in the day. Stop being a professional victim and get on with your life. If you are so worried about slavery maybe you should focus on what is still going on in Africa/China and the Middle East, as slavery has never been so rampant in history as it is in this modern era.
I have a couple of questions. #1. Who actually handed over these slaves to the slave merchants? #2. Did the chiefs of these tribes who handed over these slaves get reimbursed? #3. Do you teach that it was the blacks who handed over these slaves?
@@HistoryHustle you don't get it do you? I'm tired of reading or hearing the word "dark history" . A reference to the white European male weather in Europe or in America who are getting persecuted for something they didn't create. Did you know this is still going on? Did you know it's primarily the blacks who are doing the enslavement. You and people like you (liberals) want or are looking to persecute yourself or people like you for something that happened in the past and of which we played a minor role in creating. But the funniest part is how all the liberal media never have mentioned that slavery still exist, never mention who is behind it, never mentioned that's ots the blacks who are doing it still today. Instead you liberals are looking to tear apart your own country because of something we had a miniscule part in.
I object to the characterization of the period as Dark. Across the continents during the last 8,000 years, slavery was an accepted economy. That is the way it was. Now we have different moral values, which is great. People are genetically programmed to be free.
I remember in my history lessons they where honest about the Dutch history. But certain cruel details where left out or told differently so it was suitable for our age back then. But I do think we could have spend more time to learn about this
Well, I'm Dutch and I can't remember having ever learned about the Dutch transpacific slave trade and therefore nothing about the consequences we see today which is why learning about slavery is extremely relevant. Why does my Surinamese friend have a Western name? Why are there black people calling for reparations? Isn't slavery over so why don't they move on? These are questions born out of ignorance and maintained by a curriculum that chooses to heavily focus on WWII which only took 6 years and little on an inhumane practice that spans centuries and still affects us today. Some of my Dutch friends actually think we never participated in slavery and that is a failure of the education system because say what you will about the US, all US citizens know they've participated in slavery in the past. And I have other friends who even think that the Dutch were the main proponents of ending slavery for its inhumanity instead of the reality which is that maintaining slavery ended up being too much a burden financially and otherwise with all the uprisings and revolts, causing for incentive to end it which was started by the English moving towards abolition. In Germany they learn extensively about the Holocaust and the impact it had on the Jewish community where you get a real sense of the gravity of this part of their history. Here too little time is spent if any at all on these subjects especially considering how the Dutch were very much the catalysts of the transpacific slave trade. Colombus may have started the practice but the Dutch made it into a business and profited heavily from it bringing them to the Carribean islands and selling them to other colonies in the region. And what about black people's life after the abolition of slavery? What became of these former slaves and their descendants? All left unanswered and leaving my fellow Dutchies and myself feeling absolutely ignorant and absolutely guilt-free from this matter which spills over into other topics making me responsible for educating them on many of their racist notions that they've internalized and have never confronted. I may be wrong in some of the things I mentioned here as I am not a history major but I'm fairly certain that if I may have said something inaccurate, it again stems from the research I've had to do on my own instead having gotten to learn it in a textbook based on peer reviewed studies on this dark past of Dutch history.
Thanks for taking the time to write such an extensive comment. First of all I don't where were and when you went to school. Things might've changed because recent research showed that Dutch history text books elaborate enough on the topics of slavery and colonialism. Of course there is still the teacher who can chose to gloss over it. That's another research to be done. According to the BBC about who started the slave trade: "The transatlantic slave trade began during the 15th century when Portugal, and subsequently other European kingdoms, were finally able to expand overseas and reach Africa. The Portuguese first began to kidnap people from the west coast of Africa and to take those they enslaved back to Europe." Eventually the Dutch took a large portion of it, but were never the biggest. Furthermore this involved Dutch traders and plantation owners, while the majority of Dutch people in the Netherlands (by then the Dutch Republic) might never have seen a slave in their lifes since they were rarely transported to the Netherlands. That slavery back then is one of the reasons we have racism today is both true and false. It sure might have impacted it. But how much? How do we know? I believe in the US the post-slavery segregation laws surely continued the concept of racism. That is something we Dutch in our homeland never had, because only after WW2 large groups of non-Western migrants came to the country. Therfore you cannot say the levels of racism (or rather: ethnocentrism) in the US are the same as in the Netherlands. It is different. Therefore one cannot state that: because of slavery there is police brutality in the US. There were many other factors involved that should not be overlooked to get the right picture. The question is therefore not: is there racism? Or is racism bad? Because it is bad and there are levels of racism in every country, one more severe then the other. Current matters needs us to ask: how to we work to a society were the people don't feel discriminated? I cannot answer that question unfortunately.
Je hebt helemaal gelijk!! In ieder geval in de jaren ‘90 was dat precies zo. Mocht het in de tussentijd zijn aangepast, dan zou dat betekenen dat veel mensen vandaag de dag BEWUST zulke racistische dingen tegen hun niet-witte Mederlanders zeggen/schreeuwen/doen terwijl ze op de hoogte zijn van hun geschiedenis?! Dat maakt het in mijn ogen nog veel erger dan het al is, die reputatie van het “oh zo tolerante” Nederland is dan werkelijk onzin. Men vindt het erger om voor racist uitgemaakt te worden...dan het feit dat er daadwerkelijk racisme is.
Niet zo best opgelet omdat het je op dat moment niet boeide misschien. Ik ben 49 en heb het op de basisschool gehad en nog een keer op het voortgezet onderwijs. Ook rascisme, discriminatie en apartheid werden uitgebreid behandeld. Thuis deden mijn ouders het nog eens dunnetjes over. Mijn stiefdochters hebben het ook meermalen op school onderwezen gekregen. En mijn eigen dochter ook op de lagere school en ik twijfel er niet over dat het op het V.O. ook nog wel voorbij gaat komen. Je moet het natuurlijk wel willen horen en weten. Het kan natuurlijk zijn dat je in een vlaag van puberteit hier en daar een onderwerp gemist hebt.
@@kkvleeuwen Ik denk dat het sterk afhankelijk is van de school en wellicht zelfs ook van de docent. Wat mooi dat ze dat bij jullie al op de basisschool vertellen! Zeker in die tijd. Mooie vooruitstrevende school was/is dat, kudos! Bij mij was dat helaas niet het geval (ben zelf nu 42), op de middelbare school 90% WW2 elk jaar weer opnieuw en 10% overige geschiedenis. Op de lagere school al helemaaaal niet. Oh, en geloof me, als iemand wiens beide ouders uit een voormalige kolonie komen: dit onderwerp boeit me veel meer dan WW2 met alle respect. Groetjes
I agree with you. However it shouldn't be treated as a"dark" history, since it wasn't an immoral practice at the time. I am Brazilian and my great grandmother was born in captivity from a slave, and I don't hold any anger or remorse against white people or any other race. We have to understand that it was common practice and we have to take the historical context into consideration. Every culture on this planet had and some still have slavery. The woke mentality is trying to "spin" slavery with identity politics indoctrination, doing a lot of harm with to the true historical facts. However I am not condoning the practice of it. Like any other subject, if anyone wants to get deeper, do it in your own time since there many sources of information available today.
Needless to say, I'm glad slavery is outlawed universally across the world (although it DOES exist illegally everywhere still even 'til this very day- some places hidden, some not so much). Now to say this- no current country that shuns the institution should be held accountable for past actions. Slavery was something that happened from Biblical days on up. It is a nasty business that should not exist, and should never have existed, but neither should any of the numerous other monstrosities in history. All we can do is look back and try to learn from our previous wrongs. Also, ALL regions (if not countries) had some form of slavery at some point or another, many of which occurred during the colonial slave trade era. No one race or country was at fault no more than any others who were involved.
That make sense after I read Shorto's book about New Amsterdam The Island at the Center of the World. He wrote all the records of the WIC were destroyed in 1820
If they want to know more they can always go to a library. And while they're there, they can also learn more about what happened to the Native Americans and why the Brittish bombed Dutch Cities during WW2 for example.
You had many interesting facts but the only one I heard about the origin of slaves was the fact that Africans who created slaves were bosses, and Europeans that transported slaves were slave owners. Slavery has always existed including today. Kenyans were major slave holders both in trading and conquering. Slavery is horrible, but African slaves were created by Africans.
It's good that you can be so direct about this. Netherlands is a great country, I would judge its citizens to be among the most historically enlightened that there are. As an American, we obviously have a lot of dark history of our own but I think there's definite progress in acknowedging that dark side, even if a lot of people fight it. Also, I live in SE Asia (b/c of marriage), and I have to say that my experience with countries in that general part of the world, especially when you're talking about China, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam -- there is just a lof of historical amnesia in those countries and it sort of worries me. Maybe that will change with time, I'm not sure. Anyway, good video. Tx.
Can we talk about the Arab slave trade still happening today, and which they have been doing so for many, many centuries ? I mean, history is ok, but the present is a bit more important wouldn't you say ?
@@HistoryHustle I know, i know, and we should never forget and hopefully learn from that, but for the same reason i'm mentioning it. Keep going my friend.
The speaker is a Dutch history teacher, and he gives a very clear talk on teaching Dutch history. He's not responsible for addressing all the world's ills before discussing his area of expertise.
Come on no country wants to wash it own Dirty laundry in Public,and that includes mine. History will be kind to me,because I shall write it comes to mind.
I think I explained it in above sentence fairly well.Do you think Dark periods of History are Down played ? In review some people did not even know the Dutch had a Slave trade.Which is important to Note is no reflection on Modern Generations,Perhaps a understanding a Country prosperity banking etc has it origin in the Dark past.We can but go forward and lessons learned and remembered .Can you imagine a German teacher skirting over WW2 ,so much to cover we touched on it. Do you think the boards of Education with Colonial pasts don't ponder over how this can be explained in the best possible light to up coming generations.Then danger ex Colonials wanting Compensation is a ever present danger .
Slavery is very bad no matter who does or did it at any time. But it's not all on the European or North American white man. How about a lesson on slavery throughout the world down through history? Or maybe the current slavery going on today? Or maybe the fact that the volume of Atlantic slave trade during the 17th through the 19th centuries could not have taken place without the help of Africans working with Europeans against their fellow Africans.
That's also true. Actually, when the Europeans commenced with slave trade from the 16th century they were the only continent that hadn't practised slavery for a while..
Nearly all colonial powers were involved in the transatlantic slave trade at some point in history...what isn't taught unfortunately is how the european's aquired the slaves in the first place which in it's self an uncomfortable truth....European's didn't begin to explore the enterior of Africa until the second half of the 19th century,long after the transaltanic s lkave trade had ended.....the Portugues were the biggest perpetraitors of the transatlantic slave trade yet no body is demanding reprarations from Portugal and you know why?...as a Brazilian friend of mine said,it is because they have no money....the whole question of reparations is nonsense,just lazy people who want free money for nothing...and no i am not Dutch.
Do the descendants of 17th century Dutch farmers and blacksmiths inherit the guilt of the Dutch West India Company during the Atlantic slave trade? This idea rides roughshod over moral agency, historic context, and the difference between "kings and generals" accounts of history versus social histories. In America, all "white" people inherit the guilt of slavery. All black people inherit the victimization. What is rationalized here, is black racism. The discussion of historic slavery is superficial, because it is aside from the main point. The enslaved Africans entered the historic record after they were captured. Who they were in Africa pre-capture ---free, slave, serf, hostage, whatever--- is unknown. If precision is the object, "captured Africans" seems better. Fort Orange, located near the navigable limit of the Hudson River (the Cohoes Falls), near present-day Albany, 90 miles inland, was founded in 1620. New Amsterdam, present day New York City, was founded in 1621. Fort Orange was located on the eastern boundary of the Iroquois Confederacy. The Dutch were in North America to acquire beaver pelts. The Iroquois capitol was/is in Onondaga territory, south of present-day Syracuse NY. Iroqouis territory was off-limits to European settlement until 1787. The Iroquois sided with the English during the American Revolution 1776-1787, and so lost their lands in the peace. The Hudson Valley was intensively settled by the Dutch. Dutch remained a spoken language in the Hudson Valley for 150 years after the colony was captured by the English in 1663. Sojourner Truth, a black slave from present day New Paltz, NY (Neu Pfaltz) , freed when New York State abolished slavery in 1827, spoke Dutch as her first language. When New York State, west of the Hudson Valley, opened for non-Indian settlement after 1787, there was a land rush from New England. The Dutch in the Valley referred to these New Englanders as "Johnny come latelys" or "Jankes." The New Englanders returned the disdain, by calling the Dutch, "Knickerbockers", after a style of knee-length trouser, with stockings below, popular among the Dutch.Today, the New York Yankees are a baseball team. The New York Knicks are a basketball team.
Im german ans used to live in the Netherlands for a couple of years. It always amazed me how little they learn over there in terms of critical history, espeically about the "golden age" and 20th century colonialism, eg the wars in Indonesia. Thankfully inrecent years taht began to change, also thanks to the POC community and zwarte Piet .
I disagree that the material does a good job. Sure, there is a lot to cover, but I feel that the material is still too much the old type of history teaching, based on nation-building and national pride. Who, apart from those fascinated by the topic, cares that the Frisii bla bla bla... *passes note* bla bla test next week bla bla... As much as you and I might feel that this is selling history short, we need to condense everything, the more, the further back it is. How the slave trade, slavery (different topics) and colonialism formed, how it informed modern 'scientific' racism, its effect on the pre-modern and modern period, is relevant to the kids, it touches upon their own experiences in the world from the Black Pete discussion to how industry came, and went, outside the Randstad. Not only is this more useful to teach in a direct sense, it also resonates better and engages more, so hopefully some generation of history students won't have a story of how they got lucky with one good history teacher who un-boringed it. It seems as if you're putting a suggestion of personal bias into the segment about the bosses/owners bit. I would posit that this is a reasonable, not perfect but reasonable, distinction since slavery in African cultures was far different from Chattel Slavery. And most sold to Europeans were not slaves to begin with. I understand that our focus may differ here, but surely you are aware of the economic/political complexities introduced by the European powers seeking slaves? It suggests a revisionist stance in the 'Africans sold Africans' fallacious pseudo-historical narrative, as pushed in some circles. As a scholar, this would lead me to re-film/edit. Personally.
It is interesting to see that no matter which political point of view you have (left or right), both condemn the historical educational material. Left sees it as nation-building stuff. The right as nation-destroying stuff. Either way, I'm not suggesting anything, just stating the way it is, as well as some interesting aspects here and there that leaves the viewer with material to think about.
@@HistoryHustle What a deplorable lack of historical insight for a history teacher. Our profession came about as nationalist tool to build a sense of nation, and nowhere more so than the Netherlands. That is not a 'left wing' view, it's history. Your assumption that my opinion comes from a political bias is disconcerting. As are the dog-whistles.
@@HistoryHustle When it is accurate... Just check his profile. You're dog-whistling far-right talking points. I don't really care if you see yourself politically middle or anywhere, if you claim to be an academic teaching channel, you need to work on your academic distance to the topic.
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@History Hustle I‘m not sure if you’re going to read this comment because the Video is already „old“ for our modern understanding of Time but at the end of the Video there was (i think) a bug with the English subtitles. But again very great Video ❤️
HH… Kudos for your efforts to broaden the publics understanding of history… even when it exposes uncomfortable truths. There are still so many areas of recent history left unexplored, because they perhaps reflect badly on nations(?) An area I have always wished historians would focus more attention on is the Irish “belligerent neutrality” during WW2 and the measurable harm it caused the Allied war effort. How many folks are aware Churchill offered DeValera negations on Unification… and was flatly turned down? All nations have much to be proud of, and much to be ashamed of at the same time. Both angles need exposer to daylight.
Thanks for your thoughtful content. I may not always agree with your point of view but I totally respect your skilz as a teacher!
Hi Gerry, thanks for taking the time to watch and write a comment.
You are mis-informed. In his 12 volume text 'The World at War' author Winston Churchill says UK, France and USA caused WW2, not Germany. Don't ask me to explain. Read it yourself.
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It would be a mistake for you to assume I have not read every word Churchill ever published… or that I have the slightest interest in your opinions.
Finding out my African American history I was so confused to why I had Dutch in my dna ancestry. I understand the English but was perplexed about the Dutch.
Hollanders arrived in NY area in 1671.
Yes indeed!
Way before that, read my cousin's book Dutch in NY
I like your style. I was a history teacher myself, and I must say: you do an excellent job. Keep on!
Nice to read, thanks!
Love this channel. Wish he was my history teacher. He has def found what he was meant to do. Teach the future about the past. GREAT JOB! 👏
Many thanks!
nice work as always!
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Thank you so much.
Do you have information about the description of Dutch slave ships and the VOC, how were the slaves treated, were they educated, how about the Dutch burgers, low rank officers, The staging posts and the trading posts in Batavia, Ceylon, Galle, Mauritius and then the Malabar coast.
Thanks for watching!
damn this is really messed up, it's not just in the Us and UK that people don't learn about the slave trade
Dutch pupils actually DO learn about the slave trade. Please watch the video.
You didn't watch the video did you???
Um, I think people in the U.S learn about the slave trade.
@@k4949 we literally have 2 entire semesters dedicated to it in my states.
We definitely learn about the slave trade speak for yourself because you don't speak for regular Americans
5:41 The Dutch to condemn the slave trade? That’s rich! Reality tells a whole different story. Like you said, salves were kept alive as long as possible, not because lives mattered but solely due to the fact that slaves were considered valuable cargo. Under pressure from the English the slave trade was prohibited in 1814. In the Netherlands, the abolition of slave labour and slavery did not follow until 1 July 1863, making it one of the very last countries in Europe to emancipate its slaves. And even then it was not a selfmade choice. Unless slave owners were compensated through the Dutch state, 300 guilders per slave, fat chance they’d give up their valuable cargo. And guess what, although released from slavery, slaves were required to continue their forced work for another ten years. Shameful! Sympathy among the Dutch lay with the slave owners, not the victims of slavery. In the US we’ve learned that the Dutch introduced the first slaves in America.
Not sure about the latter point you make, I believe it were the British, since America was largely controlled by England.
History Hustle Nope. The Dutch were pirates. They stole the slaves from the Spanish and brought them under a Dutch flag to Old Point Comfort - Hampton VA.
Can't tell, have to research it.
The dutch don’t like to talk about their dark history, that’s why they put way more emphasis on World War II so they can “hide behind” the Nazis: “Nazis are so bad, we dutch people were all in the resistance and we never did a bad thing” ;)
“We were just very good at trading, that’s why we consider slavery/colonization our “golden era”!” #koopvaardij
Offended dutch people reacting in 3...2...1...go! ;)
@@MoksiMeti What dark history? the day we bought African slaves from their fellow Africans? We hide behind WW2? are you stupid, do we blame Germans nowadays for what happened to our grand parents? No we don't. So why should modern day Dutch people feel guilty about the 1% that actually owned slaves back in the day. Stop being a professional victim and get on with your life. If you are so worried about slavery maybe you should focus on what is still going on in Africa/China and the Middle East, as slavery has never been so rampant in history as it is in this modern era.
History in context.
Slavery was normal , part of the system, in Africa and Arabia,
In Russia and Europe it went under different names.
There is something to say for that.
Our "empire" never did that! 🤣🤣😂😂 No seriously, it was very sad that the Netherlands did that.
Yes, a dark page in our history. Luckily the Luxembourgish Empire never did that! ;)
@BesteKanaal1 No we didn't get involved personally. It was the Dutch who did it.
I have a couple of questions.
#1. Who actually handed over these slaves to the slave merchants?
#2. Did the chiefs of these tribes who handed over these slaves get reimbursed?
#3. Do you teach that it was the blacks who handed over these slaves?
You're asking the same questions and the answer is yes.
@@HistoryHustle you don't get it do you? I'm tired of reading or hearing the word "dark history" . A reference to the white European male weather in Europe or in America who are getting persecuted for something they didn't create. Did you know this is still going on? Did you know it's primarily the blacks who are doing the enslavement. You and people like you (liberals) want or are looking to persecute yourself or people like you for something that happened in the past and of which we played a minor role in creating. But the funniest part is how all the liberal media never have mentioned that slavery still exist, never mention who is behind it, never mentioned that's ots the blacks who are doing it still today. Instead you liberals are looking to tear apart your own country because of something we had a miniscule part in.
I object to the characterization of the period as Dark. Across the continents during the last 8,000 years, slavery was an accepted economy. That is the way it was. Now we have different moral values, which is great. People are genetically programmed to be free.
Even if it was accepted, then its still dark.
Great job Stefan. Just going through the playlist. Cheers.
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I remember in my history lessons they where honest about the Dutch history. But certain cruel details where left out or told differently so it was suitable for our age back then. But I do think we could have spend more time to learn about this
Who called the slaves for the Dutch to ship?
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Well, I'm Dutch and I can't remember having ever learned about the Dutch transpacific slave trade and therefore nothing about the consequences we see today which is why learning about slavery is extremely relevant. Why does my Surinamese friend have a Western name? Why are there black people calling for reparations? Isn't slavery over so why don't they move on? These are questions born out of ignorance and maintained by a curriculum that chooses to heavily focus on WWII which only took 6 years and little on an inhumane practice that spans centuries and still affects us today.
Some of my Dutch friends actually think we never participated in slavery and that is a failure of the education system because say what you will about the US, all US citizens know they've participated in slavery in the past. And I have other friends who even think that the Dutch were the main proponents of ending slavery for its inhumanity instead of the reality which is that maintaining slavery ended up being too much a burden financially and otherwise with all the uprisings and revolts, causing for incentive to end it which was started by the English moving towards abolition.
In Germany they learn extensively about the Holocaust and the impact it had on the Jewish community where you get a real sense of the gravity of this part of their history.
Here too little time is spent if any at all on these subjects especially considering how the Dutch were very much the catalysts of the transpacific slave trade. Colombus may have started the practice but the Dutch made it into a business and profited heavily from it bringing them to the Carribean islands and selling them to other colonies in the region. And what about black people's life after the abolition of slavery? What became of these former slaves and their descendants? All left unanswered and leaving my fellow Dutchies and myself feeling absolutely ignorant and absolutely guilt-free from this matter which spills over into other topics making me responsible for educating them on many of their racist notions that they've internalized and have never confronted.
I may be wrong in some of the things I mentioned here as I am not a history major but I'm fairly certain that if I may have said something inaccurate, it again stems from the research I've had to do on my own instead having gotten to learn it in a textbook based on peer reviewed studies on this dark past of Dutch history.
Thanks for taking the time to write such an extensive comment. First of all I don't where were and when you went to school. Things might've changed because recent research showed that Dutch history text books elaborate enough on the topics of slavery and colonialism. Of course there is still the teacher who can chose to gloss over it. That's another research to be done.
According to the BBC about who started the slave trade:
"The transatlantic slave trade began during the 15th century when Portugal, and subsequently other European kingdoms, were finally able to expand overseas and reach Africa. The Portuguese first began to kidnap people from the west coast of Africa and to take those they enslaved back to Europe."
Eventually the Dutch took a large portion of it, but were never the biggest. Furthermore this involved Dutch traders and plantation owners, while the majority of Dutch people in the Netherlands (by then the Dutch Republic) might never have seen a slave in their lifes since they were rarely transported to the Netherlands. That slavery back then is one of the reasons we have racism today is both true and false. It sure might have impacted it. But how much? How do we know? I believe in the US the post-slavery segregation laws surely continued the concept of racism. That is something we Dutch in our homeland never had, because only after WW2 large groups of non-Western migrants came to the country.
Therfore you cannot say the levels of racism (or rather: ethnocentrism) in the US are the same as in the Netherlands. It is different. Therefore one cannot state that: because of slavery there is police brutality in the US. There were many other factors involved that should not be overlooked to get the right picture.
The question is therefore not: is there racism? Or is racism bad? Because it is bad and there are levels of racism in every country, one more severe then the other. Current matters needs us to ask: how to we work to a society were the people don't feel discriminated? I cannot answer that question unfortunately.
dan heb je niet opgelet kwam wel degelijk voor in geschiedenisles
Je hebt helemaal gelijk!! In ieder geval in de jaren ‘90 was dat precies zo.
Mocht het in de tussentijd zijn aangepast, dan zou dat betekenen dat veel mensen vandaag de dag BEWUST zulke racistische dingen tegen hun niet-witte Mederlanders zeggen/schreeuwen/doen terwijl ze op de hoogte zijn van hun geschiedenis?!
Dat maakt het in mijn ogen nog veel erger dan het al is, die reputatie van het “oh zo tolerante” Nederland is dan werkelijk onzin.
Men vindt het erger om voor racist uitgemaakt te worden...dan het feit dat er daadwerkelijk racisme is.
Niet zo best opgelet omdat het je op dat moment niet boeide misschien. Ik ben 49 en heb het op de basisschool gehad en nog een keer op het voortgezet onderwijs. Ook rascisme, discriminatie en apartheid werden uitgebreid behandeld. Thuis deden mijn ouders het nog eens dunnetjes over. Mijn stiefdochters hebben het ook meermalen op school onderwezen gekregen. En mijn eigen dochter ook op de lagere school en ik twijfel er niet over dat het op het V.O. ook nog wel voorbij gaat komen. Je moet het natuurlijk wel willen horen en weten. Het kan natuurlijk zijn dat je in een vlaag van puberteit hier en daar een onderwerp gemist hebt.
@@kkvleeuwen Ik denk dat het sterk afhankelijk is van de school en wellicht zelfs ook van de docent. Wat mooi dat ze dat bij jullie al op de basisschool vertellen! Zeker in die tijd. Mooie vooruitstrevende school was/is dat, kudos!
Bij mij was dat helaas niet het geval (ben zelf nu 42), op de middelbare school 90% WW2 elk jaar weer opnieuw en 10% overige geschiedenis. Op de lagere school al helemaaaal niet.
Oh, en geloof me, als iemand wiens beide ouders uit een voormalige kolonie komen: dit onderwerp boeit me veel meer dan WW2 met alle respect. Groetjes
I agree with you. However it shouldn't be treated as a"dark" history, since it wasn't an immoral practice at the time. I am Brazilian and my great grandmother was born in captivity from a slave, and I don't hold any anger or remorse against white people or any other race. We have to understand that it was common practice and we have to take the historical context into consideration. Every culture on this planet had and some still have slavery. The woke mentality is trying to "spin" slavery with identity politics indoctrination, doing a lot of harm with to the true historical facts. However I am not condoning the practice of it. Like any other subject, if anyone wants to get deeper, do it in your own time since there many sources of information available today.
There sure is more to it. Thanks for sharing your insights on this.
Needless to say, I'm glad slavery is outlawed universally across the world (although it DOES exist illegally everywhere still even 'til this very day- some places hidden, some not so much).
Now to say this- no current country that shuns the institution should be held accountable for past actions. Slavery was something that happened from Biblical days on up. It is a nasty business that should not exist, and should never have existed, but neither should any of the numerous other monstrosities in history. All we can do is look back and try to learn from our previous wrongs. Also, ALL regions (if not countries) had some form of slavery at some point or another, many of which occurred during the colonial slave trade era. No one race or country was at fault no more than any others who were involved.
Thanks for your insights.
I’m one of the last HBS students 1970. I don’t remember any history lessons about slavery….
Interesting!
How can I determine if anyone named Scheltema was a slave trader?
Can't tell sorry.
That make sense after I read Shorto's book about New Amsterdam The Island at the Center of the World. He wrote all the records of the WIC were destroyed in 1820
If they want to know more they can always go to a library. And while they're there, they can also learn more about what happened to the Native Americans and why the Brittish bombed Dutch Cities during WW2 for example.
That happened a long time ago, I hope no one is apologising, and paying asinine reparations now.
Ok.
Geweldig interessante video meneer!! Leuk dat wat we in de les hebben besproken hier ook in terug kwam👍🏻
Bedankt, leuk om te lezen!
Great video. 😃
Thanks!
You had many interesting facts but the only one I heard about the origin of slaves was the fact that Africans who created slaves were bosses, and Europeans that transported slaves were slave owners. Slavery has always existed including today. Kenyans were major slave holders both in trading and conquering. Slavery is horrible, but African slaves were created by Africans.
That's true. Do notice it doesn't exonerate the Europeans.
did the higher grades in Canada & recall zero about slavery.
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Funny History mentions a period called the Wigs in America we had a political party called the WIGS.
I've heard of it yes.
Whigs.
Only Europeans have to talk about their “dark histories”
Says you?
I do hope they are also learning about the white slave trade
Not really..
Can you recommend a book that talks about the forced conversion of christianity on the enslaved? Thanks
Sorry, no. Not an expert on that field.
It's good that you can be so direct about this. Netherlands is a great country, I would judge its citizens to be among the most historically enlightened that there are. As an American, we obviously have a lot of dark history of our own but I think there's definite progress in acknowedging that dark side, even if a lot of people fight it. Also, I live in SE Asia (b/c of marriage), and I have to say that my experience with countries in that general part of the world, especially when you're talking about China, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam -- there is just a lof of historical amnesia in those countries and it sort of worries me. Maybe that will change with time, I'm not sure. Anyway, good video. Tx.
Thanks for replying, Tom!
@@HistoryHustle Sure, thanks for putting some very good content on RUclips. Your students are lucky to have an engaging teacher.
Can we talk about the Arab slave trade still happening today, and which they have been doing so for many, many centuries ?
I mean, history is ok, but the present is a bit more important wouldn't you say ?
I understand. Yet, this channel has its focus on history.
@@HistoryHustle I know, i know, and we should never forget and hopefully learn from that, but for the same reason i'm mentioning it.
Keep going my friend.
The speaker is a Dutch history teacher, and he gives a very clear talk on teaching Dutch history. He's not responsible for addressing all the world's ills before discussing his area of expertise.
I know Dutch people and they claim they never learned about this in school.
Differs from time to time, from school to school.
it is history. you learn from it so you hopefully don't repeat bad stuff. but ignoring it, or worse, trying to erase it is even more evil.
I agree.
Genoeg plaats om uitgebreid over wereldoorlogen te praten
Welkom op dit kanaal zou ik zeggen.
Nederlandse scholen: Laten we het hebben over geschiedenis!
Ook Nederlandse scholen: Dinosaurus, romeinen, nazi's. Done.
Come on no country wants to wash it own Dirty laundry in Public,and that includes mine. History will be kind to me,because I shall write it comes to mind.
Please explain.
I think I explained it in above sentence fairly well.Do you think Dark periods of History are Down played ? In review some people did not even know the Dutch had a Slave trade.Which is important to Note is no reflection on Modern Generations,Perhaps a understanding a Country prosperity banking etc has it origin in the Dark past.We can but go forward and lessons learned and remembered .Can you imagine a German teacher skirting over WW2 ,so much to cover we touched on it. Do you think the boards of Education with Colonial pasts don't ponder over how this can be explained in the best possible light to up coming generations.Then danger ex Colonials wanting Compensation is a ever present danger .
looks like you got a dark present too best of luck fighting the beast
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Well I guess I know how I came to be at least 3% Norwegian even though I'm African American......
Ok! Thanks for sharing this.
Slavery is very bad no matter who does or did it at any time. But it's not all on the European or North American white man.
How about a lesson on slavery throughout the world down through history?
Or maybe the current slavery going on today?
Or maybe the fact that the volume of Atlantic slave trade during the 17th through the 19th centuries could not have taken place without the help of Africans working with Europeans against their fellow Africans.
That's also true. Actually, when the Europeans commenced with slave trade from the 16th century they were the only continent that hadn't practised slavery for a while..
Hier Kom die Dromadries sy kom oor die see!
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@@HistoryHustle The Dutch ship with Jan van Riebeek man .
Nearly all colonial powers were involved in the transatlantic slave trade at some point in history...what isn't taught unfortunately is how the european's aquired the slaves in the first place which in it's self an uncomfortable truth....European's didn't begin to explore the enterior of Africa until the second half of the 19th century,long after the transaltanic s lkave trade had ended.....the Portugues were the biggest perpetraitors of the transatlantic slave trade yet no body is demanding reprarations from Portugal and you know why?...as a Brazilian friend of mine said,it is because they have no money....the whole question of reparations is nonsense,just lazy people who want free money for nothing...and no i am not Dutch.
Thanks for sharing your insights.
Do the descendants of 17th century Dutch farmers and blacksmiths inherit the guilt of the Dutch West India Company during the Atlantic slave trade? This idea rides roughshod over moral agency, historic context, and the difference between "kings and generals" accounts of history versus social histories.
In America, all "white" people inherit the guilt of slavery. All black people inherit the victimization. What is rationalized here, is black racism. The discussion of historic slavery is superficial, because it is aside from the main point.
The enslaved Africans entered the historic record after they were captured. Who they were in Africa pre-capture ---free, slave, serf, hostage, whatever--- is unknown. If precision is the object, "captured Africans" seems better.
Fort Orange, located near the navigable limit of the Hudson River (the Cohoes Falls), near present-day Albany, 90 miles inland, was founded in 1620. New Amsterdam, present day New York City, was founded in 1621. Fort Orange was located on the eastern boundary of the Iroquois Confederacy. The Dutch were in North America to acquire beaver pelts.
The Iroquois capitol was/is in Onondaga territory, south of present-day Syracuse NY. Iroqouis territory was off-limits to European settlement until 1787. The Iroquois sided with the English during the American Revolution 1776-1787, and so lost their lands in the peace.
The Hudson Valley was intensively settled by the Dutch. Dutch remained a spoken language in the Hudson Valley for 150 years after the colony was captured by the English in 1663. Sojourner Truth, a black slave from present day New Paltz, NY (Neu Pfaltz) , freed when New York State abolished slavery in 1827, spoke Dutch as her first language.
When New York State, west of the Hudson Valley, opened for non-Indian settlement after 1787, there was a land rush from New England. The Dutch in the Valley referred to these New Englanders as "Johnny come latelys" or "Jankes." The New Englanders returned the disdain, by calling the Dutch, "Knickerbockers", after a style of knee-length trouser, with stockings below, popular among the Dutch.Today, the New York Yankees are a baseball team. The New York Knicks are a basketball team.
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Im german ans used to live in the Netherlands for a couple of years. It always amazed me how little they learn over there in terms of critical history, espeically about the "golden age" and 20th century colonialism, eg the wars in Indonesia. Thankfully inrecent years taht began to change, also thanks to the POC community and zwarte Piet .
It sure began to change...
A German that wants Dutch ppl to be more aware of its dark past. You got to be kidding me.
I disagree that the material does a good job. Sure, there is a lot to cover, but I feel that the material is still too much the old type of history teaching, based on nation-building and national pride. Who, apart from those fascinated by the topic, cares that the Frisii bla bla bla... *passes note* bla bla test next week bla bla... As much as you and I might feel that this is selling history short, we need to condense everything, the more, the further back it is. How the slave trade, slavery (different topics) and colonialism formed, how it informed modern 'scientific' racism, its effect on the pre-modern and modern period, is relevant to the kids, it touches upon their own experiences in the world from the Black Pete discussion to how industry came, and went, outside the Randstad.
Not only is this more useful to teach in a direct sense, it also resonates better and engages more, so hopefully some generation of history students won't have a story of how they got lucky with one good history teacher who un-boringed it.
It seems as if you're putting a suggestion of personal bias into the segment about the bosses/owners bit. I would posit that this is a reasonable, not perfect but reasonable, distinction since slavery in African cultures was far different from Chattel Slavery. And most sold to Europeans were not slaves to begin with. I understand that our focus may differ here, but surely you are aware of the economic/political complexities introduced by the European powers seeking slaves? It suggests a revisionist stance in the 'Africans sold Africans' fallacious pseudo-historical narrative, as pushed in some circles. As a scholar, this would lead me to re-film/edit. Personally.
It is interesting to see that no matter which political point of view you have (left or right), both condemn the historical educational material. Left sees it as nation-building stuff. The right as nation-destroying stuff.
Either way, I'm not suggesting anything, just stating the way it is, as well as some interesting aspects here and there that leaves the viewer with material to think about.
@@HistoryHustle What a deplorable lack of historical insight for a history teacher. Our profession came about as nationalist tool to build a sense of nation, and nowhere more so than the Netherlands. That is not a 'left wing' view, it's history. Your assumption that my opinion comes from a political bias is disconcerting. As are the dog-whistles.
Never mind. I saw you 'loved' a reply by an outright fascist. I think we know who is the biased one.
Throwing words like fascist doesn't attribute to the discussion don't you think?
@@HistoryHustle When it is accurate... Just check his profile.
You're dog-whistling far-right talking points. I don't really care if you see yourself politically middle or anywhere, if you claim to be an academic teaching channel, you need to work on your academic distance to the topic.
Cry me a river
Ok.