Generally When one retires from a job they did, they Don't just go back. Its not different from a real job. You did it every day for Thousands of hours. Doesn't sound so crazy that he quit anyone would get sick of it.
If Riot controls all aspects of the game and the competitive scene, how could they not affect your career? Peter is too big of an LCS star for Riot to get rid of him but if he was less popular he would’ve gotten costream rights taken away by now
@@Lohith_lol It’s just such a wrong take. They have repeatedly ruined IWD’s career from an arbitrary ban as a pro to removing/denying costreaming even though he has teams’ support
They literally banned Dom in the prime of his career because he got on their bad side and would have banned ImaQTpie if they didn’t convince riot he was autistic lmao
I was just about to say this they almost banned Imaqtpie too I know Dom and Double have their own issues but Dom got fucked over the worst, he would’ve been compared to meteos with a real deep legacy in lcs, that’s probably why he hates Doublelift because Dom’s chance was persecuted
@@rocklee2282 idk, Dom was not blameless in his ban and acting like it was just riot out to get him feels revisionist, they were trying to legitimize pro league and having your pros be super toxic in soloq and not punishing them is not a great way of going about it. It wasn't simply a riot hates dom thing otherwise he would not have costreaming rights as we speak. He said some fucked up shit that you simply can't say while representing a company and shouldn't say in general. He infamously called wildturtle "nwordturtle"(actual hard r word im just not writing it) he HAD to be punished when you're saying stuff like that. Now maybe the year long ban was harsh but it did seem like he was warned about his behavior and didn't change it so it isn't simply a "be on riots bad side" when he was representing them poorly.
Dom was good for the time, but a horrible member of the community. Typing slurs, horribly toxic behavior. It's not abnormal to ban/punish people who do things like this. The NBA did the same thing to Ja. Its not like the bar is that high. Just be a normal human being ya know. Its not hard.
@@imply2662 except plenty of pros were toxic and not banned. Scarra literally said Dom and QT only got investigated because they made fun of the skin art when riot invited out the pro players. They also didn’t provide and reason or proof when banning Dom. Was he toxic? Probably but the ban was shady af and no proof or reasoning was ever given. Scarra doesn’t really have a reason to lie about it either.
"Franchising was good for the players and teams" yeah financial irresponsibility is generally good for the people receiving the money... the issue is that the benefits and money the players received and now expect isn't realistic when they don't bring nearly that much revenue into the industry
What really changed for me watching LCS was I graduated university got a career and hobbies and have no time on weekends. I only watch recaps days after
2014 TSM was goated, tho. Bjergsen not picking Yasuo in that Yasuo comp, tho. Hurt my soul. After franchising happened, all LCS teams stopped competing, primarily because the bottom teams were relaxing, instead of fighting to stay, and that trickled up so bad. LMQ really played a big part in stepping up the game in 2014, and I always hoped that NA would be stronger after that. Completely stopped watching LCS, and regular seasons in general. Only watch T1 in finals, or at international events. No reason to root for a random region, or a random team, because it's so one sided. G2 is hype, tho.
season 4 really does feel like the region peaked all because of a foreign team trying to get to worlds on an easy route. so many hype moments that worlds just for NA to implode season 5 and then on. sure C9 made quarters season 8 but even as a C9 fan, I can't deny they were getting lucky getting out of groups all those years because they'd finish 3-3 while the other NA teams would finish 3-3 but only C9 would make it out
Can you shoe evidence of the nword allegations. From what I recall Dom was banned for commenting on someone painting their nails and commenting on an unreleased skin to the creator
@@weiss9263 owning a business under the vast majority of scenarios is not anywhere near absolute power. Im also not proposing any weird ideological solutions in the comment. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Just a fact. Any time you see absolute power in the hands of a group of people (id look at governments way before businesses due to monopoly on violence) you should be aware that there will be corruption.
"LCS broadcast higher-ups don't like me. They never interviewed me." MarkZ: Lets do a show called Catching up with Doublelift but not interview Doublelift
There's literally a smoke & mirror aspect in Pro. Scarra did not fit their version of their player demographic (athletic and 2-plate-bencheing players). The fact there's bias to Regi(FTX) & Nadeshot(CDL, NFT,etc) shows how difficult to send messages between org and Riot correspodants. Lord Business Cometh, and his name is Tryndamere.
Lol, as someone who's been an avid spectator of LoL since s2 ( quit the game since 2016 but still watch highlights here and there) I can tell you that a tournament based competitive circuit managed by 3rd parties was 1000000x better for the players and fans then the garbage we get now.
@hypotheticalsinglewoody less corporate and more of a "for the love of the game/sport" type of feel. Riot made things too corporatized and that early League passion doesn't show
Its pros and cons if feel like if pro were not incentivized and franchised definitely lack of performance everywhere. Honestly, I think everyone is becoming mature
what the hell are you talking about.... Just look at Montecristo how they treated him and how it affected his career. Riot obviously has too much power and they will decide things against you when they want it so.
I think it was slightly true in the beginning. Riot was trying to set examples. One example, is when iwdominate got banned from pro play for like a year or something in the early days.
People in the comments are talking about Riot like they are a person. They are a company with an image to maintain for advertisers and general public. Any company in the world will do the same thing when their employees hurt their image. I don't know why Riot should be any different. There are others that even say Riot's decisions are "arbitrary" when there are reasons for every ban. Like you can't just label things you disagree with as bullshit and ignore reality.
Riot is a game service provider they had no reason to put themselves as the judge jury and executioner of lcs. They had the denyablity of being a company that makes a video game. They could have made a committee to judge the tournements and left everything else to some one else as a silent partner. the only reality here is every single part of this is subjective. Reasons for every ban that you cant and rarely do give are indeed arbitrary. The reason you dont give the reason is because you dont want anyone to question the logic and reasoning.
@@GeninGeo Dude what lmao if i was Riot i wouldn't trust third parties to advertise my game through tournaments and risk potential scandals when i can just do it myself? Not to mention that LCS is as big as it is because Riot has the opportunity to sponsor it. Ultimately what Doublelift said seems spot on that Riot is more or less the first successful ''official esport'' (to paraphrase) precisely because of its efforts to legitimize itself as such and directly involving itself in developing the scene (eh maybe CS was first? i digress) Also Riot isn't just a game service provider. They are developers and also a publisher as they have been cooperating with other companies and devs for their smaller titles like Ruined King, not to mention Arcane and the many artistic projects they've made. There are THOUSANDS of employers, houndreds of investors, tens of companies, all involved together. Putting your PR or sales at risk has actual real consequences to many people involved The bans are not arbitrary. They don't just ban someone who is affiliated or in the pro scene without taking consideration or even reached out beforehand with warnings or the like. The irony that you completely ignored what the person you're responding to said, and treating Riot like they are a person.
which dozen players are you referring to and what did riot do to stop them from being pros? actually curious. The players i think riot doesnt "like" are because theyre super toxic and id presume many teams other pros wont wana work with them either.
@Glazierstar I'd have to do some digging but just off the top of my head I'd recommend watching some of DonghuaP's content. He has covered players who are very good but couldnt/ wouldn't go pro
@@Glazierstar dardoch was super toxic and he still got so many chances in the pro scene where as someone like tarzaned while more deranged than dardoch was the best NA jungler for years and they wouldnt even let him show up to NA scouting grounds.
When corporations take something full of passion, pump it full of money and turn it into something thats profits first, itll always become worse over time.
i like how you named all fps games that we have been losing to europeans and asians too but we do "well" no as a region NA has lost in EVERY ESPORT FGC SHOOTERS AND MOBAS we are lost and not improving because we have this loser ass mental that comes from protected bullshit like franchising which also effects real estate government so on and so forth. gaming can be deeper then what it is. we have inflated the money not as bad as soccer which is currently recovering. but we as humans love repeating history in weird ways. i have a feeling in another world theres opportunities to grow in esports and feel like we have a chance to be pro etc. but here in current NA we buy by the brand not by skillset.
@@kodycampbell8851 ….. please tell me how accessible melee is. And if you talking the on going games think again….. zero was from chili Leo was 16 when we popped him off as a community from Mexico. And let’s not forget Japanese players are none to be more better as a whole then individually. (Some players are over inflated by tournament visit ) Now if you count Mexico as NA fine. But just because we have numbers competing don’t mean they not getting handed.
Nah they just wanted to give the other the interviews experience. Unless you did anything big that helped your legacy, then you would've been interviewed.
Tbh, you got to a point were your mere character was a thing too big for them to handle, so most of your argument fell flat during the video, since privileges EXIST. Not trying to bash you or anything, since other examples existed in the same realm as, but they quitted way before so i can't compare objectively. But for an instance, if Scarra himself, Hai, qtpie, Voyboy, HotshotGG, etc... were in your same boots atm, they'll probably say the same thing as you, purely based on privileges of being an OG. RIOT would've done their best effort to be on their side since you guys are pillars of the community and eSports in general, LoL eSports came to be as a cornerstone of what you expected of a serious gaming sphere to be, so they clearly didn't and would never want to be on your bad side. You're an embassador till this day and till you stop playing/associating with the game !
League esports was bound to fade quick because the regional system creates dog shit bottlenecks where lesser regions can never evolve to compete with Asia. It's like trying to make people watch shitty AAA baseball but they want you to throw MLB time/money at it. With no way for the AAA team to ever evolve through drafts, real free market / agency (import restrictions)... Then idiots will say, "Brazil has viewership." Sure, now tell me their revenue and how much the shitty players get. Viewership means nothing unless you have a collective bargaining agreement with the OWNERS to take a % of that viewer pie. Just like every real sport. League is a fake exhibition sport to promote a video game. Nothing more. Riot went all in on VC and all of it left in the West cause they saw that shit going nowhere.
@@BlackEcology imagine writign a 5 paragraph essay of such horrible takes that it can't even get 1 likes in half a month 🤣 I stopped reading after yhe first sentence cuz in it you made it wayyy yo obvious that the rest is gonna be thr dumbest sht I've read all year
Kinda crazy to hear that Bjergsen hasn't touched the game since he retired. Man quit cold turkey. Respect.
Got the bag and decided to live
Generally When one retires from a job they did, they Don't just go back. Its not different from a real job. You did it every day for Thousands of hours. Doesn't sound so crazy that he quit anyone would get sick of it.
Pretty sure they interviewed old man a lot and he forgot
Cause he's a real adult. Playing with toys is for lil boys.
Almost like it’s a shit game 😂
You seriously gotta get Bjerg in an interview. If he's truly just living life, he wouldn't care about spilling the tea.
If Riot controls all aspects of the game and the competitive scene, how could they not affect your career? Peter is too big of an LCS star for Riot to get rid of him but if he was less popular he would’ve gotten costream rights taken away by now
he does literally say that hes too big for riot to break down, but they could definitely hurt smaller/up and coming pros
@@Lohith_lol It’s just such a wrong take. They have repeatedly ruined IWD’s career from an arbitrary ban as a pro to removing/denying costreaming even though he has teams’ support
They literally banned Dom in the prime of his career because he got on their bad side and would have banned ImaQTpie if they didn’t convince riot he was autistic lmao
I was just about to say this they almost banned Imaqtpie too
I know Dom and Double have their own issues but Dom got fucked over the worst, he would’ve been compared to meteos with a real deep legacy in lcs, that’s probably why he hates Doublelift because Dom’s chance was persecuted
@@rocklee2282 idk, Dom was not blameless in his ban and acting like it was just riot out to get him feels revisionist, they were trying to legitimize pro league and having your pros be super toxic in soloq and not punishing them is not a great way of going about it. It wasn't simply a riot hates dom thing otherwise he would not have costreaming rights as we speak. He said some fucked up shit that you simply can't say while representing a company and shouldn't say in general. He infamously called wildturtle "nwordturtle"(actual hard r word im just not writing it) he HAD to be punished when you're saying stuff like that. Now maybe the year long ban was harsh but it did seem like he was warned about his behavior and didn't change it so it isn't simply a "be on riots bad side" when he was representing them poorly.
Yeah, DOM was always toxic ASF in solo que, the shit he used to type would completely cancel a normal dude.
Dom was good for the time, but a horrible member of the community. Typing slurs, horribly toxic behavior. It's not abnormal to ban/punish people who do things like this. The NBA did the same thing to Ja. Its not like the bar is that high. Just be a normal human being ya know. Its not hard.
@@imply2662 except plenty of pros were toxic and not banned. Scarra literally said Dom and QT only got investigated because they made fun of the skin art when riot invited out the pro players. They also didn’t provide and reason or proof when banning Dom. Was he toxic? Probably but the ban was shady af and no proof or reasoning was ever given. Scarra doesn’t really have a reason to lie about it either.
"Franchising was good for the players and teams" yeah financial irresponsibility is generally good for the people receiving the money... the issue is that the benefits and money the players received and now expect isn't realistic when they don't bring nearly that much revenue into the industry
What really changed for me watching LCS was I graduated university got a career and hobbies and have no time on weekends. I only watch recaps days after
Riot can decide whether or not you can make a living on this game based on whether they like you or not.
are you stupid?
have you never heard of tyler1??????
The biggest prophecy and jinx was doublelift saying korea will never beat NA, the lcs downfall started there
and Scarra was right
2014 TSM was goated, tho. Bjergsen not picking Yasuo in that Yasuo comp, tho. Hurt my soul.
After franchising happened, all LCS teams stopped competing, primarily because the bottom teams were relaxing, instead of fighting to stay, and that trickled up so bad.
LMQ really played a big part in stepping up the game in 2014, and I always hoped that NA would be stronger after that.
Completely stopped watching LCS, and regular seasons in general. Only watch T1 in finals, or at international events. No reason to root for a random region, or a random team, because it's so one sided. G2 is hype, tho.
season 4 really does feel like the region peaked all because of a foreign team trying to get to worlds on an easy route. so many hype moments that worlds just for NA to implode season 5 and then on. sure C9 made quarters season 8 but even as a C9 fan, I can't deny they were getting lucky getting out of groups all those years because they'd finish 3-3 while the other NA teams would finish 3-3 but only C9 would make it out
Reminder that IWD got banned for calling players the nword, not for simply “getting on riots bad side”
Can you shoe evidence of the nword allegations. From what I recall Dom was banned for commenting on someone painting their nails and commenting on an unreleased skin to the creator
@@miles12pega all that lead to him getting on riot's radar and actually investigating him
The problem is not necessarily riot. Absolute power in the hands of one entity will forever and always lead to corruption. This is a human truth.
so should you not own your own business?
@@weiss9263 owning a business under the vast majority of scenarios is not anywhere near absolute power. Im also not proposing any weird ideological solutions in the comment. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Just a fact. Any time you see absolute power in the hands of a group of people (id look at governments way before businesses due to monopoly on violence) you should be aware that there will be corruption.
"LCS broadcast higher-ups don't like me. They never interviewed me."
MarkZ: Lets do a show called Catching up with Doublelift but not interview Doublelift
They litteraly had a running segment called Keeping Up with DoubleLift. Dude is lost.
There's literally a smoke & mirror aspect in Pro. Scarra did not fit their version of their player demographic (athletic and 2-plate-bencheing players).
The fact there's bias to Regi(FTX) & Nadeshot(CDL, NFT,etc) shows how difficult to send messages between org and Riot correspodants.
Lord Business Cometh, and his name is Tryndamere.
Lol, as someone who's been an avid spectator of LoL since s2 ( quit the game since 2016 but still watch highlights here and there)
I can tell you that a tournament based competitive circuit managed by 3rd parties was 1000000x better for the players and fans then the garbage we get now.
In what way?
Yeah I never got the point where he said he trusts Riot, a game company with 0 esports experience over proven 3rd party tournament organizers
I mean nothing comes close to Worlds. How is that at ALL garbage?
@@mahmoud596 worlds bangs every time
@hypotheticalsinglewoody less corporate and more of a "for the love of the game/sport" type of feel. Riot made things too corporatized and that early League passion doesn't show
Its pros and cons if feel like if pro were not incentivized and franchised definitely lack of performance everywhere. Honestly, I think everyone is becoming mature
what the hell are you talking about.... Just look at Montecristo how they treated him and how it affected his career. Riot obviously has too much power and they will decide things against you when they want it so.
He said players. Try to keep up
I thought Monte quit Riot to protest
Monte the guy that hired a guy that gm that got one of their players killed? Don't know if that's a great example
I think it was slightly true in the beginning. Riot was trying to set examples. One example, is when iwdominate got banned from pro play for like a year or something in the early days.
@@GrayReactsYTdo we just say shit to gain likes?
People in the comments are talking about Riot like they are a person. They are a company with an image to maintain for advertisers and general public. Any company in the world will do the same thing when their employees hurt their image. I don't know why Riot should be any different.
There are others that even say Riot's decisions are "arbitrary" when there are reasons for every ban. Like you can't just label things you disagree with as bullshit and ignore reality.
Riot is a game service provider they had no reason to put themselves as the judge jury and executioner of lcs. They had the denyablity of being a company that makes a video game. They could have made a committee to judge the tournements and left everything else to some one else as a silent partner. the only reality here is every single part of this is subjective.
Reasons for every ban that you cant and rarely do give are indeed arbitrary. The reason you dont give the reason is because you dont want anyone to question the logic and reasoning.
@@GeninGeo Dude what lmao if i was Riot i wouldn't trust third parties to advertise my game through tournaments and risk potential scandals when i can just do it myself? Not to mention that LCS is as big as it is because Riot has the opportunity to sponsor it. Ultimately what Doublelift said seems spot on that Riot is more or less the first successful ''official esport'' (to paraphrase) precisely because of its efforts to legitimize itself as such and directly involving itself in developing the scene (eh maybe CS was first? i digress)
Also Riot isn't just a game service provider. They are developers and also a publisher as they have been cooperating with other companies and devs for their smaller titles like Ruined King, not to mention Arcane and the many artistic projects they've made. There are THOUSANDS of employers, houndreds of investors, tens of companies, all involved together. Putting your PR or sales at risk has actual real consequences to many people involved
The bans are not arbitrary. They don't just ban someone who is affiliated or in the pro scene without taking consideration or even reached out beforehand with warnings or the like. The irony that you completely ignored what the person you're responding to said, and treating Riot like they are a person.
the deadlock foreshadowing
I love you DL. But this is a terrible take. There are at least a dozen players not in pros or not well known because riot doesnt like them
which dozen players are you referring to and what did riot do to stop them from being pros? actually curious. The players i think riot doesnt "like" are because theyre super toxic and id presume many teams other pros wont wana work with them either.
@Glazierstar I'd have to do some digging but just off the top of my head I'd recommend watching some of DonghuaP's content. He has covered players who are very good but couldnt/ wouldn't go pro
@@Glazierstar dardoch was super toxic and he still got so many chances in the pro scene where as someone like tarzaned while more deranged than dardoch was the best NA jungler for years and they wouldnt even let him show up to NA scouting grounds.
As a fan it’s boring as shit now, they keep forcing this “professionalism” so players and the announcers feel like bots 😭
When corporations take something full of passion, pump it full of money and turn it into something thats profits first, itll always become worse over time.
i like how you named all fps games that we have been losing to europeans and asians too but we do "well" no as a region NA has lost in EVERY ESPORT FGC SHOOTERS AND MOBAS we are lost and not improving because we have this loser ass mental that comes from protected bullshit like franchising which also effects real estate government so on and so forth. gaming can be deeper then what it is. we have inflated the money not as bad as soccer which is currently recovering. but we as humans love repeating history in weird ways.
i have a feeling in another world theres opportunities to grow in esports and feel like we have a chance to be pro etc. but here in current NA we buy by the brand not by skillset.
NA dominates a lot of the FGC. Especially smash bros
@@kodycampbell8851 ….. please tell me how accessible melee is. And if you talking the on going games think again…..
zero was from chili Leo was 16 when we popped him off as a community from Mexico. And let’s not forget Japanese players are none to be more better as a whole then individually. (Some players are over inflated by tournament visit )
Now if you count Mexico as NA fine.
But just because we have numbers competing don’t mean they not getting handed.
Nah they just wanted to give the other the interviews experience. Unless you did anything big that helped your legacy, then you would've been interviewed.
Wat you mean you didn't get picked for interviews? I clearly remember a banger interview with you and irl Caitlyn
Maybe if anything. It seems like they got rid of renegades
The irony of USA dominating games with guns while failing at everything else
Where did bros hair go
Riot is Nintendo on a smaller scale.
Better say the right thing, Mr. costeamer
Tight rope walking on this subject... Riot could literally ban him from making any more real money on LoL if he said the wrong things.
Tbh, you got to a point were your mere character was a thing too big for them to handle, so most of your argument fell flat during the video, since privileges EXIST.
Not trying to bash you or anything, since other examples existed in the same realm as, but they quitted way before so i can't compare objectively. But for an instance, if Scarra himself, Hai, qtpie, Voyboy, HotshotGG, etc... were in your same boots atm, they'll probably say the same thing as you, purely based on privileges of being an OG. RIOT would've done their best effort to be on their side since you guys are pillars of the community and eSports in general, LoL eSports came to be as a cornerstone of what you expected of a serious gaming sphere to be, so they clearly didn't and would never want to be on your bad side. You're an embassador till this day and till you stop playing/associating with the game !
Put me on a professional team! Bronze carry
Monte was responsible for remel
DoubleLift too big for RIOT
Cut to Travis Gafford being a lap dog for riot to secure his future.
Look at Danny riot and fly quest were in lock step there.
paid actor
First! Hey Doublelift!
I don't think I'll ever stop playing
play melee instead bro please
@@AyJayBeEm imagine
4th
This bozo lmao
League esports was bound to fade quick because the regional system creates dog shit bottlenecks where lesser regions can never evolve to compete with Asia.
It's like trying to make people watch shitty AAA baseball but they want you to throw MLB time/money at it. With no way for the AAA team to ever evolve through drafts, real free market / agency (import restrictions)...
Then idiots will say, "Brazil has viewership." Sure, now tell me their revenue and how much the shitty players get.
Viewership means nothing unless you have a collective bargaining agreement with the OWNERS to take a % of that viewer pie. Just like every real sport.
League is a fake exhibition sport to promote a video game. Nothing more. Riot went all in on VC and all of it left in the West cause they saw that shit going nowhere.
@@BlackEcology eSports is thriving in Asia and has been for over 2 decades since the Starcraft days. You're speaking from the perspective of the West
@@BlackEcology imagine writign a 5 paragraph essay of such horrible takes that it can't even get 1 likes in half a month 🤣 I stopped reading after yhe first sentence cuz in it you made it wayyy yo obvious that the rest is gonna be thr dumbest sht I've read all year