Government grants planning permission for controversial UK coal mine
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- The government has given permission for a new coal mine in Cumbria, the first in the UK for 30 years. The controversial project has generated huge criticism.
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Even the minister who led the UK's COP summit in Glasgow has said it runs counter to Britain's climate change strategy and will undermine the UK's leadership on phasing out coal globally. The mine will only produce coking coal for steelmaking so it can't help reduce household bills, but it will create some 500 jobs in a deprived area.
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Selling off everything, and not having energy security and energy for manufacturing was the biggest mistake made by the UK
the biggest mistake was brexit, i'm not seeing france open coal mines
@@Alan-cl2ix your right because they want Ukraine to give up and end the war so they can buy cheap fuel again from Russia 😂
@@Alan-cl2ix - You forgot to mention Trump disparagingly.
@@Alan-cl2ix - France was sensible enough to invest massively in nuclear: they don’t need coal power, though it would be handy to fill current shortfalls while so many of their nuclear plants are being serviced.
This coal can't be used in the UK!
UK should be independent of resources the main reason of this big mess this year due to lack of home produced resources. Depending on Russia or any other countries on the main important resources only makes us weak and venerable
No the main reason is Brexit as echoed by the OBR and multiple other sources of data, not that we needed data to know that it would be an absolute clusterfuck. RIP UK
You can't produce resources.
You only can dig for what you already have.
Yessir. May the British empire rise again!✊🏼❤
We don't buy gas from Russia anyway we get it from Norway, the green narrative is bull shite forced by the woke left for profit climate change is natural paying more money doesn't solve that issue.
@Duplicitous Taint we aren't dependent on Russia we get our gas from Norway duhh
Best thing I've heard in years! Common sense prevails
Nothing controversial about it, they should never have shut the mines.
Why shouldn't they have shut them?
Of course they should you numpty
@@lacoma631 becasue we just ended up buying Chinese coal
@@dbzfanexwarbrady china doesnot export coal to uk afaik
@@lacoma631 because the uk became weak to other nations like Qatar from these jobs that literally are the back bones of the countrie's economy
If you get the steel from another country Britain would still be responsible for the carbon.
Yes mate well said.
Making good comparisons is sign of intelligence. You have not made a good one.
People needs brain to understand this…….
@生活有滋有味 At this time you can't produce steel without coke that comes from certain types of coal like this new coal mine will produce. We could probably buy from another country but they would have to have the coke. Then the steel would have to be transported to the UK.
all the do gooders kept going on about green jobs in my area, 99% of them couldnt find whitehaven if their lives depended on it.The mine had planning permission 3 times before Greta etc got on the bandwagon. Never heard anyone of them campaign for anything in my area. Oh btw Caroline lucas there is a reason the greens only have ONE mp
@Ralph Macchiato to whitehaven? Massive overwhelming support for it from there, egremont & surrounding areas
@Ralph Macchiato meaningless comment - if you're going to troll please do so coherently.
Net zero - just one more luxury belief
@@cnrspiller3549 the irony in this comment: you are a fool if you can't see that the climate is a luxury that you're currently enjoying. You are right in that when the world is in catastrophe it will probably still be a luxury. Will you be able to afford it then?
@@lacoma631 the climate is fine. It is not an emergency. This is simply a lie. Even the IPCC scientists do not describe it as an emergency. Please step away from the lie.
I live near Whitehaven and this is an absolute blessing to the area! It’s going to bring so many apprenticeships and jobs to somewhere that needs it most 💚
What might benefit your town, will cause more issues for the rest of the world unfortunately
What will happen to those people's livelihoods when coal runs out or is decommissioned? The reliability of those jobs is dependant on the reliability of coal as a sustainable fuel. Coal is unsustainable, thus so are those jobs. By further investing we only delay collapse, not prevent it.
How about the folk in Whitehaven doing apprenticeships in different sectors, not negatively affecting the rest of us?
I understand everyone's outcry but it makes sense. Why import it causing FURTHER emissions when you already have it? Importing it doesn't solve the problem. It's putting it somewhere else. Can nobody see that?
we shouldn't need to use coal for power we should be investing in renewables good paying jobs they won't kill the works and power from clean sources
@@ChocolateBear239 you clearly haven't watched the video. It's not even for coal power. It's coking coal. An essential part of steel manufacture. It has absolutely nothing to do with power generation
@@charliechuck1341 except the steel industry has already said they don't use it. They are moving to arc furnaces and hydrogen. This project is a dirty corrupt disaster for the climate.
@@michaelrch if you watched the video you would understand with that more modern system of steel production coking steel is still used
@@charliechuck1341 eh? Using coal is as centuries old. The modern, cleaner forms of production use electricity and hydrogen. These are the only way to decarbonise the industry.
Locally burned coal is better than foreign burned coal
Incorrect. Local coal reduces our carbon footprint but increases the amount of coal being mined globally. Thus global carbon footprint actually increases. All coal is bad, and some coal being better than others doesn't make it good.
@@lacoma631 Why do you hate our country?
Cheaper energy = good.
Expensive energy = people suffer, most of all the poor.
Why do you want to make people suffer?
@@joeblogs6598 But this coal is not for people, it's going to be fuel for the steel industry. The only thing this will do for the people is give them more pollution and contribute to a more unstable climate.
@@lacoma631 coal is needed regardless, do you drive a car? Go on flights? Have a phone? Yes you do which all require steel which requires coal. You would rather coal be mined in day China or Russia where it’s done by less environmentally friendly means and then sent here on ship and then lorry which also produce large amounts of pollution? Just makes sense to do it here and it gives people good we’ll paying jobs
@@lacoma631 are you rtarded? Why would you be against locally resourced cheaper coal for industry.
how are you going to build anything without STEEL
With windmills and solar panels stupid
There is no problem with steel production. It can be made without burning coal. But using coal for the carbon content of steel isn't a problem either. Just burning it for energy or using it to heat furnaces is the problem
@@michaeldavison9808 UK contributes 1% to global pollution. We've already done our bit. This is great news.
@@tamimaliraqii There are no where near enough trees in the UK for large scale timber production.
@@michaeldavison9808 They are not burning coal to make steel. They are using the coal in the iron ore mix to make steel FFS. like adding sugar to a cake mix.
Well that wasnt at all biased
@user-oi9io4ww5y fake news.
@生活有滋有味 China shill found
Think the guys right surely the carbon coat of transporting it across the world is more than digging it up next door. Seems a no brainier
Except most, if not all is going to be exported thousands of miles around the world!!! British steal is going hydrogen generation!
Yes, but then what happens to the coal we were previously importing? That foreign production doesn't just disappear.
You are correct in-so-much as mining our own coal would reduce the carbon emissions for us; but because that foreign coal will likely continue getting exported just now to another country, the total carbon emissions worldwide has actually gone up.
It's quite simple: More coal means more emissions, no matter where you produce it.
The lowest carbon cost would be abandoning coal completely, or as much as we can afford.
@@lacoma631 speak to China. Tell you what, go over there and protest. See how far you get.
@@lacoma631
My, you’re popping up all over the place, so let me repeat:
Do you walk everywhere or use transport? If the latter you use steel therefore you must be in favour of steel production which requires coking coal.
Do you use a knife and fork or lick all your food off a plate? (see above)
Do you use a washing machine or hand wash all your dirty clothes in a river or the sea? (see above)
Do you have holidays? (see above)
etc etc etc
Maybe you accept *we all need steel* which means we all need coking coal
So stop protesting or people might think you’re a hypocrite…
We don’t need coal.. That’s what is so insane. Even in the metallurgy process we can actually use new techniques now that don’t require coal to be introduced. It’s only backwards thinking people who only want to do what they can understand in their tiny brains that are making this decision. We need to prevent this new coal mine from opening the matter what. Even the mer symbol of it opening is a disaster for our negotiations on preventing climate change around the world. Even if it means somebody taking drastic action, I will approve it if it means that I’m stopping this.
At last, how on earth can we produce steel without coal!
We don't need steel. We can make everything from wattle and daub.
Same as the rest of the world from hydrogen generated from renewables!!!!!
Direct-reduced iron plants. Rock reacts with gas to extract the iron . The iron is then made into steel in an electric arc furnace. The Swedish company Hybrit are also producing steel using hydrogen. The technology is there, it just needs investment.
@@IveJustHadAPiss Hydrogen is more damaging to the environment.
@@jammiedodger629 Wrong!
Yessssss make Britain an industrial country again. Finally something I can get behind
I’m with it as long they don’t prevent 3rd world from using fossil fuel to boost their economy
It might come as a suprise, but the industrial revolution was a worse time to be alive than the modern day. You shouldn't desire to return to it.
@@lacoma631 think he just means Britain to have its own industrial power again instead of relying on other nations. Doubt he means using child labour etc
@@lacoma631 The industrial revolution was when Britain was a powerful country and the envy of the world. Not a slave state full of subhuman foreigners that is a laughingstock.
The Mrs refusing?
The North of England needs JOBS JOBS JOBS
This is brilliant news for UK steel making!
British steel making owned by.....
JAPAN
*for short term steel making
What will happen when coal runs out or is made illegal? We will suffer exactly as much as every other steel producer. To prevent this we could look into ways of producing steel without coal, and not suffer the same economic collapse as others.
@@dougaltolan3017
There isn’t any Japanese ownership but there is Indian and Chinese.
@@beezergutler5488 my bad, I thought Tata was Japanese...
@@dougaltolan3017
I wish it was, it would be far better run. It’s owned by Ratan TATA, prominent Indian billionaire and general shithouse.
good jobs is what the uk needs ! good show !!!
Why not, we're sat on a gold mine
I live in a old house with coal fires. They haven’t been used for decades. But if I had to choose between unaffordable gas prices & a life threatening situation, I would be cranking my coal fires up. The rules have changed now & brits won’t jeopardize the risk of hill health to their family. The energy companies have priced themselves out of the market. The petrol, diesel, gas, electricity & food/ shopping is all by design to bring the middle class down to working class. All this should be obvious to everyone
Well said
Hate to shatter your illusion, but fuels are priced fairly evenly by calorific value, with a few biases against ease of use and green levies.
Good luck getting the generation of today doing that kind of graft ..
my parents generation said the same about my generation. No doubt the generation you denigrate will say the same about their kids.
@Michael Davison industry has totally changed in the last 20 years though
Nothing compared to our parents gen 40 years ago.
You'll not drag them out of uni to get down and dirty in a mine , and if it's heavily automated then it'll not provide that many jobs IMHO.
I get it isn't for fires like the old days and it's for coking furnaces but this isn't the thing that will provide jobs at all.
That should come from high tech renewables.
Thousands of fit and able young men arriving on dinghies every week...jobs a plenty I reckon
@Monetary Jack they're are not allowed to work for quite a long time.
But if they take the jobs the lazy lot won't then why not.
Do you think men still go digging holes or something!!
You can’t think about the end of the world when most of us are worried how we’re going to get to the end of the month
Exactly. Look what closing the mines did to the country, especially the North.
@@chongy9895 I was there when it happened. Deep mined coal was NEVER going to be viable again. Everyone knew that - but no one wanted it to be true. The world's coal production is MASSIVELY tilted toward opencast. UK coal is generally too deep to be mined economically.
If you ignore the first, achieving the second will ultimately become impossible. Life is more complex than one's next payday.
all of that "end of the world" guff is ideologically driven doom-mongering anyway.
Great news, open up a few more and I might be able to buy some coal for the fire at £300 per ton as it was 3 years ago instead of £600 per ton which it is now 🤔
Shocking prices. I live in a village where 3&4 busses left for each shift which meant difficult time with the loss of jobs during the strike and worse closure. It’s criminal
You know, the price of renewables has actually gotten cheaper. Perhaps you should consider an electric fireplace and a green provider.
@@lacoma631 sorry but I don't subscribe to this green bollox you may have been taken in but I haven't
@@canalboating your own biases don’t negate the facts: it’s cheaper, more sustainable, scaleable and far better for the planet.
@@Mixamii tell that to China
Much better than shipping foreign coal from across the world.
Can see channel 4’s agenda with headlines like that and the questioning here is a joke
More coal more gas more oil... Shove your net zero!
Britain imports 5.5 million tons of coking coal.. UK is sitting on 100 years of coal, why not dig it up, why buy it from elsewhere...
Well we have been importing coal for the cement and concrete industry which amounts to 2,000,000 tons a year.
Go on lads. British coal mined by British workers heating British homes.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 more more more ! Island Nation should be self sufficient
Self-sufficiency is economically unsound. Many countries have tried to become self-sufficient during periods of isolation, and have failed. The US and the Great depression. Nazi Germany? Soviet Union? Venezuela? Columbia? None of these countries would be called economically great places to live, you shouldn't be striving for such a thing.
The push for net zero is one of the reasons tens thousands of people will die this winter
Nonsense
You couldn't be more wrong.
Clean energy is the cheapest on the market by far. Literally a fifth of the cost of gas-fired power at the moment.
The problem is that we are still reliant on dirty expensive fossil fuels and we haven't built enough renewables.
What push for net zero?
Your RUclips name says it all.
@@michaelrch give me an example of clean energy that's clean.
Good stuff we should open them all over the UK
Fantastic news I hope more pits and steel manufacturers open up and get this country back on its feet 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🎂
Coal and mining is not the way to get the country back on its feet; the reliability of these industries is dependant on the sustainability of coal and mining, both of which we know to be unsustainable. Thus these industries are unsustainable, as well as the jobs they create.
@@lacoma631 But its a start that will help the local population. And if they don't do this then we will just import the coal from other countries. What we need is more Nuclear Reactors to solve our power needs but they take 10-15 years to build.
@@lacoma631
Do you walk everywhere or use transport? If the latter you use steel therefore you must be in favour of steel production which requires coking coal.
Do you use a knife and fork or lick all your food off a plate? (see above)
Do you use a washing machine or hand wash all your dirty clothes in a river or the sea? (see above)
Do you have holidays? (see above)
etc etc etc
Maybe you accept *we all need steel* which means we all need coking coal
So stop protesting or people might think you’re a hypocrite…
Every body cheered Thatcher on when she brought coal in from other countries and flooded the pits in the UK. We have been dependent on utilities from other countries ever since. Now they are seeing the era of her ways. You couldn’t make it up!!
@@headron66
Ah, well that’s another matter that should be raised in a relevant RUclips. Here it is merely political opportunism.
Will we be seeing the modern woman queuing up for these jobs? Meeting the quota for equality and what not?
No modern individual will be entering these jobs by choice, male or female. The job has serious health side effects like cancer and chronic asthma. Would a traditional man like you enter this profession by choice? If so, why aren't you toiling in the mines? Why are you instead here critiquing gender equality? Could it be that *gasp* you aren't actually as un-bigoted as you would like to believe?
Always remember Nick Clegg rejected the build of a nuclear power station saying it would be 2022 by the time UK has nuclear power!!!!!😬
Well it’s what the climate change activists wanted: no more Nuclear!!! Haha they have it now!
an epic moron
So, let me get this right, Caroline is essentially fine with us using coal, just as long as the UK doesn’t look bad in terms of environmental damage!?
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what I took away from this. Why is it okay for our country to be green, but others not. I mean for gods sake, we lose Putins gas and oil supply for the first time ever and it’s caused mass panic and has severely worsened poverty. If other countries have no choice but to use their climate unfriendly resources to meet the demands of the earth’s ridiculously large population, why should we be allowed to hoard ours?
Hypocrites - the lot of them.
How much energy does Channel 4 consume on a daily basis? Asking for a friend...
Google proclaim themselves as 'Carbon neutral'.........ha ha, and the Moon is made of cheese.
@@GBPaddling Hahaha... Oooo I like cheese! 🥰
Would that include employees commuting?
This coal wont produce any energy.
@@marvintpandroid2213 Its not about the coal Marvin. Its about the hypocrisy of the media, and waking up to it.
where does the steel for wind turbines come from
From Hydrogen and electricity generated from renewables! Thats how all British steel s planned to be produced by the time this new stupid mine is actually producing any coal!
“We need to consign coal to the history books”. How exactly do we make steel then? Or do you want to make buildings out of bamboo?
You make steal from hydrogen generated from renewables, thats how all British steel will be produced by the time this mine is fully operational, and then will be closed probabaly without selling any coal! A complete waste of time and money!
So you don’t know how steel is made then. Coal is not necessary.
We do not make steel competitively anymore, and we're never going to be competitive by reverting to old ways of steel production and intensive coal mining, if being a competitive steel producer is your desire.
We must ask: What happens when coal runs out, or is criminalized by climate pressure? How do we make steel *then*? Long term the best way to be competitive is to find ways of making steel without coal, as when fossil fuels are no longer viable Britain's steel economy will be less effected than other countries, then you will have your cake 🍰. You have to apply logic not just to the present but also to the future.
@@stevetaylor2818 if you are talking about electric arc furnaces ( the only commercially viable other way of making steel) then they require pig iron, and pig iron requires coal.
What's wrong with living in caves?
Open them all , undo what thatcher did yrs ago, family there have struggled for yrs since there closed, ex miners killed themselves over the closers , kids grown up losing their fathers because of what happened, end of the day family’s are living in poverty.
Talk about the climate change it wasn’t because of the impact in the climate they closed it was due to the unions having so much power holding the uk government at ransom.
If this generates work for people in the uk then I’m all 4it .
It is like they have a check list of "how many things can we possibly do that the public do not agree with before we get elected out."
"Hundreds of jobs promised" ? For who? And how will safety be ensured? And will the workers be paid fairly? And what about the environment? How can they put extra pressure on the public to be green if they are going to go back to using coal to line your their own pockets.
The mine is for coking coal and not for coal fire power stations
@@lee9650 The Royal Navy are building new ships , and most of the steel comes from…..the EU !! That’s sovereignty for you. Coking coal is much purer and is needed to make coke to make iron and steel. The British Steel industry is a shadow of its former self. The need for steel is strategic.
The public do agree. Just have a number of idiots who want a Marxist state.
Those communists are not "the pubic".
This isn't COAl! It's coke!
It's indigenous and for steel! From iron ore to make steel
Instead of getting it from Peru
Who are they going to get to work them? What miner would trust a Tory?
The Welsh guy I met last year, an ex- miner, is excited about getting back to a job he really enjoyed. And he's not alone.
Don't labour want to Cull miners out of existence?
@@neilaspinall5005 There’s at least two operating coal mines in Wales. Why didn’t he get a job in them? Is he going to commute to Cumbria instead?
@@neilaspinall5005 You do know where Cumbria is right? I love how you hear coal and immediately make up a Welsh person you met once.
@@JohnnyMaverik Met him at Castle Combe race circuit at the Classic bike meeting. He rides a Honda Fireblade. A very real person .
I couldn't care two hoots about Britain's "obligations" to carbon reduction.
Crazy. Here on Sweden we already makes fossil free steel and commercial delivery has already been done by Volvo. Uk is still in the "stone age"!!!
In so many ways.
Lars,
it is not steel production but iron, they are not the same. Not only that who can afford 'green' steel'?
The UK has about 10 times the production of Sweden at half the price .
@@iareid8255 its green Steel. The first dumper made out fossil free hybrit technology was delivered more than a year ago... Volvo and Mercedes have aggressive fossil free Steel plans for all their line up. The lack of forward looking by The UK government is killing industries but I know that ut Steel producers are knowing bitter and see that they need to transition tö fossil free steel to service... They are not askungen for this new mine! ruclips.net/video/OsBxDBgnKgY/видео.html
Lars,
you call it forward thinking, i call it mistaken and unproductive production methods.
About time this happened.
Don’t understand what she is going on about - they say we’re at least 10-15 years away from being able to make steel without coal IF at all ! Sounds like she wants Eden earth in her life time 😂
And you don't?
Would you expect a Channel 4 journalist or a FOE activist to understand the thermodynamics of steel production?
Ask her if she drives a wooden car.
@@lacoma631 What did socialists use for light before Candles?
Electricity.
Well, ignore facts and go ahead is the mentality. That's why we have the sanctions.
Should never have been shut.
Open it.
Open it.
You need to do some research if you think coal is dirty with today’s technology
Absolutely unbelievable.the tories closed all the mines in the 1980s
I thought scargil did that.
@@allykhan8594 No it was Thatcher
Harold Wilson closed more coal mines in the 70s than Margaret Thatchers government.
You should have cut a deal with your former colonies. Canada for Natural Gas and Australia for Coal. Right now Australia coal is powering China and India. That's a total shame in my opinion.
@@mandarinandthetenrings2201 We're not giving anyone gas. Go find your own.
Coal, oil and gas are not ‘fossil’ fuels and are very plentiful in the earth
Great example of unbiased journalism here. In both interviews you'd be forgiven for thinking he was rooting for the other side with his harsh and to the point questions.
I thought so too. In the first interview I simply assumed he was rude and clearly biased but with him being similar in the second from the other side of the argument... Fair play
Turned it off after opening comment.
@@Curmudgeonist same like all those idiots green lovers....how they got there to picketing? By freaking cars...not by foot or bikes surely they use internet which is energy...all those electric "green" cars.... bullocks !!!
@@Curmudgeonist Only because the process for producing hydrogen is backed by coal and oil burning fuel sources to produce the power to process hydrogen into a fuel. If the UK invests in green power to process the Hydrogen, its net contribution is significantly less.
This is channel 4 after all….
This is absolutely brilliant news, new jobs, and the Steel Industry will benefit hugely from this announcement 👏👏👏
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UK has TOP quality coal and the BEST grade steel. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
Going green has benefited no one. Prices are sky high and it’s the middle and lower class people suffering because of it.
it's benefitted a load of green energy company executives 💰💰💰
Great news why ship it around the world and buy it in.
It's mostly for export, try again.
@@dub604 You need to listen to the whole clip, we are importing it at the moment!!!
@@darrenleeson3771 Yes, I know, but the new coal that we'll be digging up will mostly be exported, look it up, you will see that I'm correct. The 2nd point is that the steel industry have stated very clearly that they don't want the coal, they want cleaner options.
@@dub604 even if it is mostly for export. So? Someone else would be exporting it to steel works? And the material that is going to UK use isn't being imported from around the world thereby actually reducing emmisions. If we want to rebuild actual industrial output such as shipbuilding this is a necessary evil no?
@@charliechuck1341 It's being sold to you on the basis that we will be able to stop importing it. The truth is we will be shipping our new coal around the world and continue importing as before. It's important to know when you're being taken for a mug Chuck, today is one of those times.
why is a coal mine controversial?
Brainwashing. Kids are indoctrinated at all stages of the state-owned education system. Unsurprisingly they have been raised to adore the state.
@@oldskoolbodybuildingroutin7178 The government owns the education system.
Take a peek at what your kids are being taught.
It's a shame it's not to help domestic energy production, but producing goods and providing jobs are a step forward in terms of the local and national economy.
They won't hire locals because they have no training on coal mining so instead as always it'll be outsourced.
@@radec1566 not many people in England are trained in any sort of mine so they will 😂😂
@@aydenw1496 Your not getting what I mean by outsourced. I mean it's going to be offered internationally rather than domestically just like nursing in the UK.
Any increase in the supply of energy to the market is good for prices, especially considering the marginal system used for pricing.
It’s good for energy prices and good for jobs
Many of the skills needed are the same as we have with the tunnelling operations going on around the UK. Most of the old shafts were sunk by none NCB staff in the past and the roadways created before any coal was mined. I do not know how thick this seam is but most will be cut by machines off the roadway. By the time the shaft is sunk and the machinery bought they will soon train people up. We have still a lot of expertise as we still have mines that produce other products like lithium gold tin etc still in operation today
Nothing controversial about this: it’s absolutely essential to the UK’s energy independence and security of supply. It must happen, and more like it.
no it isn't. first of all this coal is for steel production, it cannot be used in a coal power plant (the most expensive kind of power btw) without melting it.
even for steel making, this is a disaster, the future is cheaper, more productive direct reduction steel making which uses no coal
That reported is too biased to be reporting. Embarrassing to say the least.
People have to do what they have to do to stay Warm!!!
Sign me up because im fed up labouring with no apprenticeship offers.
We need power, we want jobs, great news!
The coal isn't for power but for steel, but if it were for power, consider that the price of renewables has remained consistently cheap throughout this whole debacle, while fossil fuels haven't. If we put as much money into renewables as we did coal, you could have your power.
As for jobs: while this would create jobs in the short term, long term those jobs are unreliable, as they depend on the sustainability of steel as a resource. When coal goes, so will these jobs.
It’s got nothing to do with power.
@@beezergutler5488 Yes I misunderstood
@@lacoma631 Yes I misunderstood
@@mildandbitter
Given that it’s for coking coal, it won’t last 5 minutes anyway.
Go to Germany to support green energy, who are closing atomic power plants. 30% of German energy is produced from the dirtiest kind of coal. And green power plants are being closed.
Get in! More British steel - awesome!
This is coal to make steel. We can build houses or anything else without steel?
First sensible thing they have done in ages!
Can you explain what effects that has on the carbon front print, in a time when terrorism is about to lock sovereign civilians up, due to their carbon foot print...
Coal is great only middle class vegans can afford to worry about green nonsense.
More people could afford to worry about it by now, but we’ve had a Tory government for 12 years, and the Stockholm syndrome is so strong and our standards so low that in 2022, 40 years after destroying the mining industry, we’re ecstatic they’re opening a single mine while people freeze in their homes in the dark.
@@thagrammarnazi so labour want to open the coal plants to? Ohh wait.
at least just stop oil can;t say anything about this. their remit is oil and gas licences. Nothing about coal.
You want people to pay less for energy? You want employment and high paying jobs? You want efficient public services for the UK? Mining is simply the way to go. Talk is cheap, protest is easy!
It’s not cheap it’s 9x more expensive then wind power Ffs 🤦♂️
@@sid35gb wind power 😂😂
Good for flying kites.!
Oh and those wind turbines which have a life span of 10years and still we pay stupid amounts for energy. Green is good 🤣 right oh it’s just one big con.!
Good! We need coking coal, we need steel. I'm very pleased.
We need good steel for manufacturing. Don't see a problem with it. Sustainability will be achieved in how we manage what we make. At least the steel and coal are sourced from our own country. Creates work and lowers carbon emissions in other areas.
Exactly
How does it lower carbon emissions?
This is untrue, though you likely didn't realise; though local mining will reduce our carbon emissions, it will increase the total amount of coal being mined and transported globally, thus the global carbon footprint will actually increase.
Also, those jobs are not reliable in the long term. When coal runs out or is criminalized then those jobs will go too.
Delusional
@@lacoma631 You don't know how commodity markets work.
Not all energy is the same and we can produce sustainable energy for so many uses but not in the production of steel in the near future, as a tree hugging seedling planting environmentalist.
If you’re going to have to use something it’s better to be locally sourced and exported rather than entirely imported. The shipping and transport is particularly bad for the environment that many overlook.
But you don't need to use coke to produce steel. There are already companies already doing this...
@@kieranshanahan6236 YA US WERE THE NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK SELLING STEEL ITS CALLED GOOD BUSINESS , YOU WOKEIST HAVE NO CLUE ON MACRO ECONOMICS !!!!
Why can't we produce steel with renewable energy. Speaking with a mere 'A' Level in chemistry I thought it was just a reduction process by which iron oxide is reduced to iron - and then amalgamated with carbon. The excess carbon being burned off as CO2. Hence the energy input can perfectly easily be electrical or burning H2. The CO2 released would be no more than produced in the current process but without the extra CO2 produced to generate the heat. Shipping CO2 footprint is easily managed either by operating ships/trucks on H2 or electricity. If we had unlimited free energy there would be no need for most of the things we do to be creating CO2. It is a question of investment, vision, time and willingness.
As an environmentalist you have more common sense that Caroline Lucas.
@@michaeldavison9808 Reduction of iron oxide is an extremely endothermic process, meaning it requires enormous quantities of energy to proceed. By far the most efficient means of delivering that energy is by mixing the ore with elemental carbon (coke, made from coal), and using the exothermicity of the oxidation of carbon to carbon monoxide and dioxide to make the overall reaction energetically feasible. Iron can also be made by reduction of the oxide with hydrogen, but there are no hydrogen wells, whereas coal can be dug out of the ground.
Let us be quite clear, steel needs carbon. It is one of its main ingredients. Are there other sources of carbon? Maybe but the other ways of making steel are prohibitive.
humans are full of carbon
In the west, we have guidelines and rules. People should be way more concerned about how the east carries out this sort of stuff. They don't care about what they use and how much or about rules. At least when it comes to fossil fuels, we can do our best to do it right, so we don't have to depend on nefarious countries and their fuels gotten through horrendous means.
Just because foreign coal is less ethical than ours doesn't mean our coal is suddenly virtuous. Your take is based on the incorrect assumption that two wrongs make a right.
The most moral thing we can do is to suffer the temporary loss in steel production, to develop cleaner ways for increased production in the long run, and no increase in coal mining carbon footprint.
@@lacoma631 The Carbon footprint that is less than 1.1% compared to other Countries you mean?. Explain in detail and with some kind of scientific evidence how much difference this plant will make to the whole scheme of things?.
I'll wait for you.
@@lacoma631 well said
@@lacoma631 Well, until they pull their weight, why should they gain and we not. It's nice to have morals when you have a job and are able to pay bills, but I would say there are 100s of families who are about to be much happier and then there are the people who deliver coal; this helps them. It will also (should) help people who buy the stuff as it should make it cheaper for them.
Those other countries are very happy when we shut things down because they gladly sell it to us. If we ask for more, they just increase production.
If it's going to happen, I would rather it was overseen by countries who at least make an effort to do it right. Yeah, we need to come off it, but until you take back some control, you will be waiting forever for the east to agree and make changes.
Our guidelines and rules will make this a green coal mine?
Nothing wrong with mining. The rest of the world does it.
Modern coal plants are actually very efficient compared to the old ones
It appears some people literally would rather the world uses coal from some awful Chinese mine with 0 regard for emissions or safety or local pollution or anything...than this one. It makes no sense. What's happened to the environmental movement - they just say 'no' to everything, without thought...
Modern slavery operations are also much more efficient than ones from the 19th century, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea? Slavery like coal mining is a stupid idea in the 21st century
As usual, Channel 4 News just don't get it.
How do they think we’ll make steel for uk industry ! At least doing it in our country saves shipping it from half a world away !
Well the UK needs it. We need it, So nevermind the environment for now, People's livelihood's must come first.
finally some common sense we can become self suffiecient
From one new coal mine?
Self sufficiency is not desirable. Many countries like the USA, china, Soviet Union, Columbia, Venezuela, Nazi Germany - have all tried to become self-sufficient but in reality all their isolation achieved was economic collapse.
@@lacoma631 Actual schizophrenia. America is literally THE world superpower. China, USSR, Columbia, Venezuela failed because they were communist. NatSoc Germany was destroyed in a war.
Self Sufficiency IS desirable because it means we can work independently without the meddling of foreign powers. Or, say, when a war happens and we sanction a country that we are reliant on for its exports, we don't get fucked over, because we wouldn't be reliant.
The romanticising of coal mines and the way of life that came along with them is frankly embarrassing. We can be proud of what our ancestors did and at the same time keep in mind that a lot of them didn't come out of the mines alive, and if they did they suffered bad health from them the rest of their lives. I know that today mining is a lot different, but keeping coal to the past isn't just about climate change, its about treating the working class with more dignity than being given the dirtiest, most dangerous jobs on offer.
I’m absolutely all for the development of green energy, it’s the future and we will eventually have to transition to more renewable technologies. But we’re not there yet, apart from nuclear, most forms of renewable energy are simply not as efficient as fossil fuels yet. We are still a couple of decades away from that. I’m glad the UK u-turned on wind farms along with this decision.
this is for Steel not energy , and you simply cant make steel without carbon
Why doesn’t government consider nuclear power stations?
Unbelievable 🤯
The tories destroyed these communities because they had good unions, now they're building mines again without unions for workers. Frigging disgusting.
It's not to make energy but to be used in manufacture of steel
Yeah, not sure who to believe on that one, the steel industry rep or the green politician. One says this mine is the best there is, the other says the steel industry says there's too much sulphur in this mine.
For now. Once they start producing they will diversify.
Apparently the good people at Channel 4 have discovered a revolutionary new method of making steel without using any carbon. Magic!
No, it's material science.
I love her point about the 9000 jobs vs the 500 as its such a load of BS. The 9000 jobs are across the whole area and count every job it MIGHT make but then is like oh lets remove all the jobs the mine will bring across the area and focus just on the mine it self. The mine will bring in more than 500 jobs if you bother to take in to account the support network that will be built around it. I highly doubt going green would bring in 9000 jobs and highly doubt the mine will only bring in 500 jobs once you look at how it effects the area.
The reliability of these jobs is entirely dependent on the sustainability of coal, which we know to be unsustainable. Thus the jobs are also unsustainable.
no doubt these 9000 jobs will be on minimum wage working on the insect farms to feed the immigrants who don't have to work because they are special in channel 4's utopia. the 500 jobs from darn't pit on the other hand might involve all kinds of jobs and career paths from engineering to logistics.
@@lacoma631 Unsustainable you throw that word around like it has any real meaning. Coal is NOT going away any time soon and i would expect a good 10 years or more of well paid jobs is going to be a massive boost as the area is built up for other stuff.
@@davidlister7590 You're missing the point; unsustainable doesn't necessarily mean it's going to run out - you are correct in that theoretically coal can last another 300 years. The problem is if we continue to use coal we'll never get to extract more than 50 of those 300 years, and that'll be because we'll be dead from catastrophic climate change. This is what unsustainable means in this context.
@@lacoma631 yer the world will end in 50 years due to this one coal mine. I did not miss the point you was trying to make the problem is its a none problem. This 1 mine is not going to have any real effect over all and in it self is irreverent. The odds are good that in 50 years time coal will still be used and nothing over all will change we will still be here whining our selfs inside out about everything.
GO COAL MINING! 💪
Good work for once government 👏
Go vegan
@@laaaah4577 and die a miserable and pointless existence 😂
@@laaaah4577 no.
Good. It’s about time we became energy secure.
Until is runs out dummy wind power 9x cheaper!
@@sid35gb until it stops blowing
@@sid35gb what does the wind blow to make the power?
The mine is for coking coal and not for coal fire power stations before anyone comments.
@@TubeMeisterJC exactly.
Our old house fire used come ,it was super hot ,cheaper than coal too
@@TubeMeisterJC yes but so small an amount that it will barely be noticible. no really, compared to coal fire power stations, literally nothing.
@@TubeMeisterJC you know they have to dig lithium and other chemicals out of the ground for batteries right?
At last a logical and sensible decision to mine our own coal and not rely on foreign imports .
maybe they can move the wind mills closer to the steel works so the carbon can be blown further
Carbon dioxide is what plants breath. That’s how they grow.
@@TubeMeisterJC my bad
@@TubeMeisterJC actually windmills have no noticeable effect on wind.
Shouldve kept this 1 in your head lol 31 other numpties agreed too ffs
@@lacoma631 windmills use wind to grind wheat into flour
We have to become more independent, that means mining coal for steel production, storing gas from the north sea, and oil and manufacturing products again. We cannot be independent whilst importing everything from Asia
London media should stop trying to keep Northern England poor, We need jobs and prosperity, Londoners should keep out of our way
Fair play mate, as a pansy, softy southerner who used to live in London, feel free to chuck yourself into the mines. Relying on them for employment went great for the north last time I'm sure we can all agree.
So paying 9,000 people instead of 500 will make fuel cheaper for the end user?
500 kids digging for lithium and cobalt
@@user-ug8wx5er1w What are you referring to?
My Comment?
All for this👍
its the start of Britain being self sufficient again
Britain has never been self sufficient?
Self sufficiency is a terrible economic policy anyway it lead to isolation then resulting collapse; it's not something to be desired
If we use coal, we should be able to extract it here. Otherwise we are just exporting our emissions. Either we stop using anything that requires coal, or we should be able to extract it. I haven't yet seen a way to produce steel without coal.
Great news. Common sense at last!