The UNSPOKEN Emergency No One Is Talking About! with Stephen J Shaw | The Winston Marshall Show
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2024
- Half of women in Britain are childless at 30, half of those will never have a child. That is, according to the latest statistics. A similar story is told across the world.
We are facing a crisis of existential proportions. Or so says demographer and filmmaker Stephen J Shaw.
We took a deep dive into his film 'Birthgap', and looked at the unplanned childlessness trap catching women. What are the cultural, economic and philosophical reasons for this change? What can be done about it? Is it too late?
Shaw's terrifying predictions beg another question - why is this being ignored by mainstream media?
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One thing leading to the delay of parenthood is the time it takes to earn a level of accreditation necessary to attain a good job. The reality is that MOST jobs should *NOT* require a Bachelors degree, much less a Masters degree. So, with the exception of being a physician or lawyer or something on that level, employers need to replace the university degree requirements with competitive apprenticeship programs out of high school, and from this pool of apprentices, select people to be their next entry level professionals. Its the degree inflation, where the same job with every successive generation is requiring more and more university education, that is a huge contributing factor in the delay of parenthood into a stage of life where fertility rates are suboptimal.
That's because more developed economies are service based which more and more need knowlege that is learned in a school environment.
Accountants, marketing, all things digital etc.
If it were industry based than not even high-school was needed.
@@puraLusa Actually most professions, even ones that currently require a college degree in more developed countries oriented around service based economies still don't really need university levels of education. Take, for example, one of the professions you listed - marketing. What about marketing necessitates 4 years of college, and how does that 4 years in lecture hall make someone better at marketing, compared to someone who comes out of high school, and does an apprenticeship at a marketing firm, where they shadow a real marketing professional?
I have worked in the IT field for over two decades, after completing two university degrees in technology. Given the ever changing landscape of IT, what I learned in the university setting was rendered irrelevant a few years after graduation. Some of my most talented coworkers - from DBAs, network analysts, to systems admins - entered into the profession as hobbyists, and they surpass people like me who majored and graduated from a 4 university with degrees in this subject. They genuinely had a passion for IT, and they entered into the profession during a time when the standards were more lax, and employers were not quick to demand a degree.
Sadly, because of degree inflation, if those same coworkers where to try and parlay their hobby to enter my same IT organization today, because of the increasing requirement for a university credential, they would not be given an interview, much less a job.
We can thank Blair again for degree inflation.
@@MrMoriarty100 I live in the United States. Degree inflation is happening everywhere, not just the UK. Far from being a necessity to do many jobs, requiring a degree is a way for certain classes of people to preserve the exclusivity of certain professions, thus narrowing the talent pool.
This is'nt a thing of rich countries. This seens to be a US education model that spread around the world. Brazil is a poor country, and we also face these degree inflation. Seens that most of degree jobs are fake jobs, so this created an artifitial raise of cost of living. So many parents thing that they have to overvalue education, but this is a trap because what we see is that as parents invest in child education, the child became few independent, don't learn basic societal skills, and after 18 years they face the reality that all those years of study don't matter. And another problem is that degree jobs were overvalued and basic jobs were devalued. Basic jobs always were low paid, but people views these jobs as JOBS, nowadays people think jobs as CAREERS, but this is dangerous because we changed the mentality of people to value more outside job in a business that wil descart them for random reasons, but devalue family and communty. This is a huge mistake, because whe people lost their jobs they became lonlely.
I'm told in my neighbourhood the average family size is ~six children. That's not in sub-Saharan Africa or similar, but rather in a Western European capital. Not an immigrant community. I should mention, it is a very religious neighbourhood.
I cannot believe this lengthy discussion managed to completely evade secularisation as a driving factor for shrinking birth rates.
My parents and grandparents on both sides were Christians. My dad joined my mom's denomination when they were married. They had 7 kids while my dad established and built his business. My mom went back to college and became a teacher when I, the oldest, was in high school. We attended our church's parochial school from grades 1 through 8. It all worked out.
The end times in full swing we were told this would happen in the end. One world government, one world currency, one world language, one world religion has all been advancing more and more every year and accelerated in the past five years. Also we are promoting sodomy and other degenerate garbage of the devil. Where i live most woman have seven to twelve children but i live in a very religious ethno state been living in an SS compound since 1937 we now rule over ten cities and are winning more and more elections because of our demographics we replaced all the liberals and removed the non whites by force.
@beautifulrose8619 Utah is not "a Western European capital".
I was worried in 1987 when I had my son at the age of 37; what the hell have I brought this child into.
My son drowned at the age of 26. I miss him every minute of every day; ten years on the 6th April. The only thought I have is that he cannot be harmed, he is safe and that he is loved.
Nobody wants their child to suffer this world.
I’m very sorry for your loss, Susan. I’ll be thinking of you on the 6th April.
Im so so sorry for your loss & pain. Sincerely hope you find comfort that he’s in a far better place & you won’t be parted for ever. Just make him proud until then ❤️🙏💐
I'm very sorry for your loss, thinking kind things for your son. God bless you.
Your comment resonated with me. Being 10 years younger I had my child at 37 in 1997. He died aged 22. Were he still alive I would worry a lot for him in this world. I pray he is safe. I wish you well on 6 April. Every anniversary is painful.
I was 27 in 1987and I told my new wife I didn't want to bring a child into this world. Marriage lasted two years. I'm now 63 and I've seen a lot of suffering and death. I've never regretted my decision
Women who have high SAT scores and then have 3 or more kids should be treated like heroes
A lot of us homeschool too
I heard that the top schools don't require SATs anymore. It goes against wokeness. I have heard this now from several sources.
Doesn't matter if graduates have no job skills and don't make enough money to start a family. Colleges stopped teaching reality.
i'm not sure what the replies are getting at. What I meant was that we should be encouraging very intelligent women to have more kids and pass on their intelligence genes.
There is no such thing as an intelligence gene. Smart parents can have a dumb child. Success is a mixture of culture that promotes good values that respect other people, the desire to learn, and good work ethic as well as opportunities. Some people lack the cultural upbringing while other people lack the good values that serve as the foundation of great character while other people lack good opportunities.
What can I say… if you have a child, you can’t afford it in this country! Childcare bills higher than your mortgage, your career will be put on hold with very little maternity pay to keep you going in the meantime, we are then expected to put our brand new babies into childcare at only 9 months old so we can go back to work and contribute to the economy, mothers have to juggle work and parenting and many fathers leave and some don’t support thier children financially. It’s not really that difficult to see why women are choosing not to, it’s not because they don’t want to, it’s because it’s so damn difficult and expensive in this country to make it all work. Very sad really. The UK don’t really value family much…
Women enjoyed less rights in the near past when there was zero maternity leave - that didn't stop them. So, that's just an excuse.
U make money to spend on what is more important to u: if u have a mortgage it means ur priority is acquiring property.
Yes, but in the past families could survive quite nicely on one person wage, not anymore. I don’t think by having a mortgage you are prioritising that over family. It’s good to have a mortgage so you can leave something to your children. @@puraLusa
@@puraLusahe is right though... I see high paid academic women with gov job make many babies. those in working class have destiny like described. i bought apartment not because i want to gather wealth but i need to live somewhere. then UK media does regular bashing of single moms on benefits. nobody wants public shaming like that.
As an Australian I can't agree more. I was horrified when on holiday in England I saw a sign on a shop saying, "Dogs welcome, children are not." We were so shocked we took a photo because nobody here would believe us. This is the complete opposite to my country, where unless it's a seeing dog for the blind are not welcome, but children are. Even pubs have extensive playgrounds so that parents can quickly feed the kids their meal, send them out to play, and relax with a drink and a meal.
Our universities are better designed to allow women to delay study until after marriage and having a baby. They tend to be in cities and city suburbs, and easy to commute to, and welcome mothers. Studying with your baby is perfect, because babies cost almost nothing, so it's the easiest period not to work.
I don't think our birthrates are dreadfully low, and yet we have the highest immigration per capita, in the western world. So there is something fishy about that.
@@puraLusaI do agree. Queen Victoria was horrified, as a woman who had herself given birth, was horrified to learn that within days of giving birth, women in industrialized cities went back to factory work. She had legislation passed making it ilegal for women to work until at least a month after childbirth. The regularity with which she had the legislation passed shows it was never adhered to. 😢
What is the issue with wanting ethnic continuity? Now it’s racist to not want your ethnic group to die out? I’m pretty sure that would make every ethnic group ever in history racist.
Even the dumbest of beasts know the value and imperative of maintaining its own herd .
Most people don't understand marriage is a potentially 5,000 year old tradition that is meant to be the bedrock to the institution of family in order to raise children. Since the 1960's, activist groups around the world have been trying to tear down the fundamental building block of civilization, which is family. Civilization doesn't exist without families raising children.
Invest in some community that wants many kids.
As an Australian I agree 💯. It is Immigration that makes housing too expensive for young people to have children. And higher crime and low social cohesion certainly don't help. When immigration numbers were low, housing was affordable, and immigrants were chosen from western Europe, or North America and preference given to people who could read and write English, people had 2-6 kids.
Well said
32:47 to 37:20 This is the most culturally-important part of the whole conversation. Our "leaders" have failed us miserably.
The problem is that society has become very narcissistic and in order to have a family and children, both men and women need to be able to sacrifice, but no one teaches that, on the contrary, completely different things are taught, such as being a transvestite, being a homosexual, having a career, traveling for fun and not caring about anything else only in their own interests. Of course, this is also important, but it should not be the main thing.
There’s loads of factors that play apart but the major problem that started to destroy everything / cause it all was the opening of Pandora’s box (social media)! And cause of that no one gives a flying f*ck about anything anymore!
The 1st factor is tech - its the generations with full acess to contraceptives.
And it's a positive, lots of men and women have been parents and were unhappy due to it. Now, people can choose, and people choose not to be parents.
Unless we go back to impose reproduction against will nothing can be done about it.
Japan and korean are very traditional conservative societies - and they too don't want parenthood.
Most people, given the choice, don't wish it.
Thank Heaven my mom and her friends widely advised me to make family a priority and have my babies while I was young. Got them raised while I was young enough to keep up with them, enjoyed a career after they were grown.
@@puraLusaI think some of this has to do with current sexual abuse levels too. It seems to be rampant, and can have an enormous negative impact on young women emotionally.
@@maryfountain4202 most young women of the past were also sexually abused, it wasn't talked about but it happened more than u think.
What there is a load of excuses, aka, head in the sand, to the reality that a women is way more than a walking womb. And a lot of them only consider motherhood if there is a chance of being upper middle or high class - they don't want to be poorer for the sake of motherhood. That's the price and women aren't buying it - which means it's not that big of a natural instinct as romantically described.
Another factor nowadays is the need for both parties in marriage to work to purchase a home. The housing costs can mean the women can never afford to leave work to become a mother.
My parents could never "purchase a home" yet they had me. About 7,5 billion of people on this planet can never "purchase a home" but they still have children.
You are weak.
Excuses,excuses...
The role of feminism is hugely overstated, the roles of neoliberal economics and the commodification of housing and privatisation of government services are understated.
Almost as if that's the point... These guys don't want the real answer, it's much easier to just blame women
You're undoubtedly right, but one problem at a time.
Exactly! In fact, I would argue that many of the depredations of modern feminism are themselves driven by all the factors you mentioned.
Oh yes, I have the solution: let's force and indoctrinate them into motherhood 😂
Perfect moral ethical society solution for sure 🤣
Capitalism is the ocean we all swim in and take for granted, and capitalism is the economic and social environment that made feminism inevitable.
Communism failed, capitalism just hasn't failed YET. Until humanity overcomes its greed and psychopathy every system will fail.
Thank you, Winston, for inviting Stephen J. Shaw. His commentary on this subject and his documentary about the childlessness epidemic needs to be the spoken about far more than it is. With the myriad of things that the media tells us are "existential crises", the declining birthrate literally is!
thanks for questioning his contradictions Winston. as a 39 year old who has directly lived this conundrum - yes, it's housing. YES. we spend decades trying to get a high enough salary to afford to rent a one-bedroom apartment. now that we can barely afford the extra bedroom for our child - we're out of time for a second. older people are so unwilling to acknowledge the housing crisis for younger people, because they are sitting on mountains of profit from swallowing up the housing WE NEED for our families, as investments.
Governments allowing housing to be used for investments rather than the essential human right that it is, are responsible for this. i can assure you, so many of us just can't afford the amount of kids we want. that's the gap.
As an Australian I don't blame the older people, I blame our immigration policies. In the 1970s a factory worker could afford a modern house on a quarter of an acre, whilst maintaining two cars, a wife and kids, and a caravan for the annual holiday.
We don't have more kids today than we did then. So we should have enough affordable housing without even building more houses. But the population has doubled. We have the highest immigration per capita.
In the last two years we have have had record numbers. Now people with jobs and children are living in cars and tents or in a single room like a Dickens novel.
It's the bank of Mum and Dad that gets young people into housing. Stop blaming them.
In the U.K. the bastard government sold off all our council houses for peanuts. For votes. A council house was a cheap rent way for a young couple to start a family. And to save up and perhaps buy their own place. The loss of council housing for the working poor has been devastating. 😢
@@stigmataji In Australia they did the same with what we call housing commission houses. The waiting list is now over twelve years unless you are a refugee.
Older people need housing too. WE NEED to keep our houses because we can't afford to move out. Older peope worked hard for what we have and we shouldn't be made to feel selfish for having it. Your comment is uninformed.
The housing expenses are caused by government policies not older people
My wife has just had our third child. We’re aiming for another 3 more.
Fighting force.
Hope your not on the bru
@@susanmitchell4744making our own dynasty. My brother has 5 already so together that’s a tribe.
@@barryyoungBru?
... and thank you for your service.
(Joking/not Joking)
There is a Frontline documentary you can watch for free on youtube called Two American Families. They follow 2 American families from the 1990 recession until 2012 and it shows how hard it is to maintain economic stability and have time to actually be there for your kids. People aren’t struggling because they are materialistic. They struggle due to lack of economic stability.
Life was always a struggle. The difference is now everybody complains and looks for excuses.
People have 5-6 children in Burkina Faso but rich westerners can't,"it's too hard",please...
There’s so much more to be said about this very real problem. I simply cannot comprehend the fact that my great grandmother had 13 children. 13 children!!! In the poor East End of London. It makes no sense. I just can’t get a grip on what that life must have been like. But it happened. Her son, my grandfather had four children. Same place, poor East End of London. He served in WW1 and brought his family up during the depression. There’s a lost history about all this. I wish I was able to go back in time and be one of those 13 children to get an angle on what it was like.I just can’t imagine it.
@@stigmataji My grandmother was born into a family of 13 children in Eastern Europe. The village was agrarian and self sufficient. Older children helped to care for the younger ones. Her mother and father lived well into their nineties. I found this astounding considering they were pillaged by the monarchy, Nazis then Soviets. They had a strong sense of community, family and joy. My grandmother lived through WW1, WW2 and the Great Depression. Again they were the most mentally stable people I ever knew and lived to 89. They passed on their love of family band community thankfully. Oh yes, my grandmother only had 2 children because she helped to support her brothers orphaned children and her sister who was raped by Soviet soldiers and struggled with her mental wellness. I too share your wonderment as to how they survived and thrived.🤷🏼♀️
I think people underestimate the psychological impact of this as well. It will be devastating. We will be living, alone, in dying societies, infrastructure eroding, with fewer innocent children, less youthful energy, with a huge class of elderly people wearing the nappies their non-existent grandchildren should be wearing, cared for by foreign care staff, as their adult child works without hope of retirement to pay the massive tax rate necessary to support an increasingly unproductive ageing society. The political ramifications of a large bubble of childless men and women are terrifying as well. In my view this could very easily become a Handmaid's Tale scenario. This keeps me at up night more than any other issue. Most people don't have the imagination to understand how bleak this is. Entropy.
While the scenario you outlined is harrowing and a cause for much trepidation, I have to say that you described it with great eloquence. As someone who appreciates well written commentary, I applaud you for this.
Just watch _Children of Men._
this keeps you up at night? not your children?
Brazil for the first time had register fewer birth than 1970. I think that the problem that people who usually sais that this scenario is good, is the blind ness from somethings:
To live this whole free life single, must have people that offers services. The result that already been vusibel, is the past generation are the ones that give to the sinle generation to libe their "awseome" Single life, but ehat gonna happen when the past generation get put of the game?
This birth fall will be very bad to poor countries, buy already is. Brazil have facing a lot of market problens.
Singles and childless couples tend to pay more for smaller house, so they help to inflate the housing price. Here in Btazil this is a real problem. It's a kind of paradox.
A society with a large number of singles males isn't good. Men without purpose tend to be lazy, so what we havie seen here in Brazil is an epidemic of drug use, hookah addiction, an explosion of alcohol ism, really bad behaviour on traffic, specially from bikers.
But, I don't know the future, because the gen z here like the past generation have a class divide. The upper class gn z are like us gen z, lonely, but the lower classes gen z are very party, and independent, also dating a lote like previous generations, and are become very conservative. The bad thin is the genz on lower classes, because of the behavior of millenials on dating, are very sexist, much more than previous gens. Also pretty cynical about fidelity, so they cheated a lot, even in flront of their partner.
How long until AI and robots are doing most of our jobs for us? I give it 30-40 years max (if something catastrophic doesn't cause some major disruption to humanities scientific progress).
High rents and tax tax tax , no wonder there not having kids 😂
I live in a city Called Santana de Parnaíba, here in Brazil. The city have a program to create incentives to have child and the doctor says the same thing that Sephen say, have babies at 30s is'nt good. My wife and I, wanted to have 2 kids, the doctor say to her to have the first as faster as possible ( she now have 35 years, and we have the first kid ), because if she won't be pregnant until 35 years, the chance of be pregnant fall rapidly, and even she can have the first baby, the possibility to have a second one would be almost impossible.
One thing that I realized after have my first kid, and by observation of my nephews ( most don't have sibling ), is that they struggle a lot in relationships, and my brothers because have one child only, think that have kids is way too expensive. But people I know that had more then one, NEVER complain about kid be expensive, BUT most of decision to have one more are based on pregnance of women. Most of mothers I know that have only one child, had a very bad pregnance, so the kid had many problems after birth, usually don't sleep well. Another thing I saw, is feedbreast, I know that in USA feedbreast are very desincentivized, so mother usually give formula, that are expensive. Here in Brazil formula became a thing too, but nowadays the health system doesn't recomend, because cause a lot of allergie issues. So when a mother have 2 kid, and planned to have the 3rd, but the 2nd guve to much work, the mother doesn't want the 3rd kid anymore. I think this is a blind point too.
Infinite growth predicated on growing populations was always unsustainable. At least now we have to come to terms with it rather than keeping our heads in the sand.
How about supporting motherhood most couples need two wages child care is so very expensive. They don't value families
There are countries who have financial incentives plus public services (childcare) and stll low birthrates.
Meanwhile countries with zero incentives have too big of a birthrate.
In conclusion, it isn't just financial.
@@puraLusado you want government handouts though?. Giving government a say in your kids lives. Used to be the case that one parent could work and provide for the family and have a reasonably good life. Then during WW2 they realised we can double the tax base by getting women in to work. Now have bloated government in the west spending money it hasn’t now got with massive public debt and people can’t afford now to get on in life. Need to roll back the welfare state and government and leave people to support themselves.
@@puraLusaof course it isn't ;) if I asked my friend why they don't have more kids, most of them say, well if it happen unlplanned, we woudn't cry but everybody use birth control. I have 2 kids, big house, great husband and good income, if we have third by accindent, I woudn't mind but I not taking this decision by myslef as I would have to quit my work, which I don't want to do. It is what it is. If women works full time, she doesn't have time for kids, if she doesn't work then it's hard to make a leaving. For me it's time. Three kids is a lot of work.
Which is where feminism is responsible. In the 60s and 70s even a working class man could afford a modest house and support a wife and children. At least here in Australia.
But in the 70s feminists persuaded married women go out to work. This drastically pushed up the price of housing as two income couples competed with one income families. And politicians have real estate portfolios. But more than that it tripled the tax base. Now the government could tax Dad, Mum and the childcare provider. And governments could use this to create things like socialised health care and other goodies to attract votes. Big corporations loved it because they could suppress wages without decreasing consumerism.
But by the 1990s government had to accept every married woman who was ever going to work was working. So they introduced mass immigration so they could replicate the feminist revolution over and over again.
I had to leave the region I'd lived in most of my adult life when it became too dangerous to shop unless armed police were visibly present. So don't for one minute think that feminists care one bit about mothers or working class women. They only care about themselves in their ivory towers.
@@puraLusaActually countries with no incentives also have reduced rates. I have been following this subject. In India poor women are forced to have hysterectomies at a young age to get employment. The employers insist so menstruation won't prevent them from heavy farm work.
Winston you are CRUSHING IT Brother! Respect to you for your life transition!
It used to be that mothers did not have to work and a father could provide for the family.
they weren't allowed to work in ireland
That ended with the 1990 recession in the U.S.
Brilliant interview! Such an important topic, society needs to do more to inform Woman about the statistics of unintentional childlessness
Mr. Winston, I just watched your interview with Douglas, and I have to confess that you were brilliant. Subscribed! Love from Armenia 🇦🇲
Winston Marshall - these are fantastic conversations
For man having children after 45 y.o increases the risk of schizophrenia and autism
what if i already have autism since childhood might aswell continue to have children im about to have my ninth child i am 34. Most woman where i live have an average of 11-12 children. We live in a religious homogenous National Socialist city since 1937 and govern nine other cities because we demographically replaced liberals and removed non whites by force cause we control the police force and installed our family.
Men can’t have children buddy, only women can
Personally I find it hard to believe millionaires talking on this subject, a lot of the world needs help to feed themselves. 8 billion people a lot poor uneducated and hungry, why add more to keep the Elites in the lifestyle they have become accustomed to.
Politics have played a huge role in keeping people hungry, and ignorant, and poor especially in places where industry can come in and make things for much less or export materials for much less. Examine history of the island of Haiti.
I think you should do a bit more travel, your poverty idea is grossly out of date
The problem is primarily economic.
Ban abortion and contraception, that will do the job!
Then you have women who are incapable of taking birth control in charge of bringing up another human. You only have to listen to them outside Planned Parenthood...
This is a sad situation
The ones who should, aren’t. The ones who shouldn’t are.
I have 3 children and graduated from college after they were born. It's possible. Of course I work part time but I choose to be with my kids while my husband works full-time. I do want a more fulfilling career and have been taught to believe my identity is my career so I do feel unsuccessful at times. But then I remember how wonderful it is to be with my kids. Kids are a blessing, not a burden.
What you have chosen to pursue will reap benefits that a “fulfilling career” will never. Creating a home, a lifestyle that supports and sustains the home is amazing.
Higher education credits for parents will enable women to re-enter the workforce after having a family without having to draw on the public purse.
Extra students do not cost universities more, and if thise students are parents they will in rease the value of the education for younger students.
Capitalists like the low birth rate in developed countries. It gives them the excuse to bring in cheaper labour.
Capitalism doesn't equate reproduction rates as it isn't predictable - that's government management.
2 diferent subjects.
Capitalism doesn't care, it only cares of human capital in the present not future or past.
You mean 'Corporatists'. True capitalism is about making it easy to start businesses and giving small businesses the right conditions and tax systems to thrive and compete fairly. Unfortunately we don't have capitalism; we have corporatism.
@@MrMoriarty100 We have capitalism
I really dislike the idea that because you don't want to have kids somehow you're not a grown up. Its rather condecending and ranks right up there with the line of reasoning that if you don't have kids you don't know.... on whatever topic. But you do hear this sentiment a lot regarding men being permanent teenagers because they don't want kids. I know i did from my ex-wife 🙂
People are too busy working and trying to survive
Having Kids IS survival
Funny thing is, the only way to survive is by having children.
Until landlordism allowed without control and private preschools can charge £1300 per month- it’s a slow suicide
This is important information and gen z need to know urgentky
Great discussion
I was stuck in a bad relationship, I couldn't get away from his control. Eventually I met a great man, but by then it was too late. Probably a different reason than most people.
Sadly, many young people fear the world their possible children would be born into. ☹️
I was always told to not have kids until im financially stable😂 like that's gonna happen.
Unfortunately childless women just make other things children to take care of.
I was 31, 35 and 37 when I had my boys. My mother was also in her 30s when she had 3 children. In fact most of my family, ancestrally and now have had children in their 30s. I think it's more to do with contraception being available.
I'm watching this after the big hullabaloo regarding the Kansas City Chief's kicker that dared to revere motherhood as greater than career. Look at the backlash and you can see how a large part of our culture thinks that this denigrates women.
Ignoring family??
Our seniors forgot to teach "family."
Get a job, have a career, pay your bills...
Sure.
Raising your children should be a source of pride, we forgot that.
Sacrifice??
Yes, maybe, but rewards over the long term is readily more satisfying.
Teach your children to respect the Elderly.
Without them you may or may not be the person you are.
Our Elderly deserve a voice, and consider you will also be an Elder...
What do you want to teach your children about your future too???
No sacrifices? No happiness! Most people are incapable or unwilling to embrace this.
The tax on childlessness was a natalist policy imposed in the Soviet Union and other Communist countries, starting in the 1940s. Joseph Stalin's regime created the tax in order to encourage adult people to reproduce, thus increasing the number of people and the population of the Soviet Union. The 6% income tax affected men from the age of 25 to 50, and women from 20 to 45 years of age.The tax remained in place until the collapse of the Soviet Union.
This propaganda communist policy made the Soviet Union's birth rate always between 2.6-2,3 during the period 1960 -1990 . And the Soviet Union was the first country in the world to legalize abortion
Part of the problem with migration is that a large number of fit young men are leaving their own countries and going to western countries where there are not enough women to meet the male population and the countries they have left means there are not enough young males to go round.
Obesity is also a big problem for women trying to conceive
Very astute observations on Hungary's love of family. That's one of the reasons I, an Englishman, choose to live here with my Hungarian wife, even if I've had to commute abroad for work.
Hungary is on the same boat having a replacement of 1.6.
It will become a global phenomena that will effect any country reaching affluence.
when I see abortion, divorce rates, often wonder why young people are not educated to have sex when mature and to be selective who they marry, there are bad man and women so it is important to choose right
Hungary is on to something! 👍
Is it? Birth rate not that impressive there.
Hungary has only recently begun to change policies to support marriage and enhance couples having larger families. Tucker interviewed Viktor Orban a few years ago and he outlined a tax structure and other government programs to assist having children earlier and more often.
@@TTFN55 guess we will see
eight billion people in the world and still rising ---- wouldnt it be better to have less people ... /// of all those lost during covid around 7 million who sadly died of the illness --- within ten days that many were born worldwide .... the crisis is births not lack of ...
First we were being told too many people. Now it's population collapse. Isnt that what everyone wanted?
If the country had competent leadership then fair enough, but private schools will cost you £1m with all the associated costs of raising that child to 18 (no state schools are worth a damn) in an era where pension funds are empty (the reality of this will dawn shortly and pension funds should be going to prison for veering away from bonds only as they were) where the NHS just gets worse and so now you need private health cover (another cost) on top of high tax, appalling over-regulation, eye-watering housing for anything that doesn't look like a prison house with tiny PVC windows and neon coloured vile bright red brick. That's just the start. We haven't talked about political culture where women are just going crazy with the leftie nonsense whilst men are going back to the right, or just simply wanting traditional Britain to return, but this is happening around the world with women and men's political views. It is violently polarised. No-one wants to date a woke warrior. The issues are endless right now.
So important.
There were no civilizations until we had 7billion people on our way to 10 billion.
Personally I know many women who would have more children, if the conditions were better. For example having paid leave for the first couple of years of a child’s life. Actually being able to give your child a good fundament and start to life. Why have children if we are forced to put them in institutions 7-8 hours a day even before they are 1 year old? Both parents working full time and not living close to the family and grandparents makes it so difficult to be a good parent. I think many people chose to only have 1 child because more than that just doesn’t seem manageable or affordable in our day and age. So they would rather have one child and do their best than have several kids that they feel they can’t properly take care of (both time-wise and financially). There should be a massive tax reduction for each child you get.
Nothing WE can do about it! The season . . .
If the government cared, they would make incentives for people to have children to be able to stay home and raise their children
That's been tried in several countries. Flash news: it doesn't work. This is a cultural problem, NOT an economic issue. See 40:22 onward. Not only are you wrong, you are VERY wrong! Again, it is a cultural problem.
There are lots of reasons why the birth rate is declining, but i would also add that civilisation is moving too fast. It is hard for people to keep up with all the changes. How many people want to have children in an environment where they may become redundant by the time the child reaches adulthood.
The problem is that having children is now seen as a burden and not a joy. The me and what i want is more important than the us. This is the reason that the family, which is the bed rock of Western society, is so unstable
so women should just be kind to others and have more babies,??? clearly
Sad, so sad.
Really? Have you given birth recently?
@@joygibbons5482 No, I haven't. But it's sad kids are few.
Who in their right mind would have kids...economy is a mess, ppl are stuggling and too many wars. Make it easier for human to exist, and they'll have children.
are you freaking serious??!!!!! naaah you cant be. you think we are living in "hard times"?. take a look at history we are pampered and living like kings!!!!! . Never been a better time to do the transition from "girl" to "mother"
war is creeping closer to streets though.
It’s become expensive!! That’s why!
IPhone is expensive too. That's why not.
THIS is the biggest time bomb that too few people are talking about.
And this is after environmentalists told us there are too many people in the world and that it is not "moral" to have children...😩
Not listening to people who describe humans in terms akin to ‘vermin’ is usually a good start.
Chesterton said, When people stop believing in God they don't believe nothing they believe anything.
Pretty much sums up what people believe today. People stopped having kids when the Roman Empire fell too. And when Rome fell to the barbarians the barbarians were already living in the city as economic migrants.
@@scottwhat3362that's an insult to vermin. We are a self-possessed disease shitting up the planet wherever we go.
Its simple for me: i wont pay. I refuse to spend one dime of my money on becoming a father. So ive carefully avoided it over the last 45+ years
at least you’re honest!
If most people want to have two children maybe three, what's wrong with a policy which ensures two are funded by the state? It doesn't stop people funding children themselves.
The problem is falling productivity, real salaries haven't increased since the 70's in the UK, lack of affordable housing as well as delaying everything for higher education which involves huge debt, and net zero policies all of which are reducing disposable income.
Far too much green fear mongering about a situation that won't happen.
I don't get why this is a problem, what's wrong with declining birth rate
I don't think there is anything wrong with not wanting a child
on a personal standpoint - yes. but in terms of society, when we get older, we need people to take over our roles (and take care of us 👴🏻)
think of people as resources in a way. remember, trump & biden increased our debt tenfolds, and we already had a lot of it! less people = less money
Population pyramid skewed. Too many retirees, not enough people working generating tax revenue. Services like State pension and healthcare not being funded enough to support this new population. Falling living standards for those there.
Fertility is also decreasing for a number of reasons.
IVF etc should perhaps be made cheaper or free for couples who are struggling to conceive.
Just a thought, perhaps it’s that people don’t want to bring somebody into Such a World 🌍 As This ! ! !
Elon Musk has warned us also. I gave changed my mind about single women using sperm donors to become parents. Ideal is a mom & a dad - but if a woman is willing to go it alone - let’s support her. 👊🏽
I think a lot of people depending on where they live don’t want to bring children into this massed up world I worry about my children and grandchildren. With 8 million people on this planet and growing how will we feed them all?
Give people nice homes, crimeless areas, recreational areas, local schools and doctors and they will have families.
I think the problem of the tax payers supporting all us elderly is a political problem. We have a political system that thinks it has all the money in the world to to anything it wants and is failing to succeed but denying its failure.
One contributing factor not mentioned; the belief in God. Within the belief in God, for many, not all, is the beauty of marriage, having children, being a sound contributing member of where you live. I do not mean the structure of I man you woman, but the beauty of let’s form a union, have children, grow old together, and know that this is work; but it will all be worth it.
Due to circumstances, I had one child a son and he is 32. One of the topics in our family was that marriage is the most important. Who you will marry is more important than college. For one is blessed with a good marriage and can be torn apart part by a bad. This may 27th he and his childhood sweet will celebrate 11 years of marriage, two children, a beautiful home, decent jobs but not ones that needed college. She works from home, no childcare, and they make sacrifices.
So many seek and do not find the happiness they believe owed. Joy is a condition of the heart that stays no matter the circumstance or circumstances; happiness fleets with either. Seek the joy of life and for me and those around me that joy begins with God.
I don't know any women in college who have enough money in their 20s to freeze their eggs, that's only for super rich women. ..usually older.
Humanity is just doing some natural rebalancing. Nothing can keep growing indefinitely.
I wonder what the consequences are at the cellular level of being frozen...🤔
ask Han Solo... carbon ice is efficient.
@@effexon Appreciate your knowledge :)
People playing God is evil and doesn’t ever work well for humanity!
I'm a 57 year old married woman who never had children by choice. I never once in my life felt even the flicker of a maternal instinct. I knew from a very young age I didn't want children. It wasn't so much a choice as part of my being. No amount of telling me about civilizational end and population catastophes would have persuaded me to become a mother. I simply did not want it. I still don't. I get it that the population of the earth is probably in peril . Its a sad fact, but there it is. I see people in the comments demonising women who don't want children. Be careful, the way the world is becoming increasingly totalitarian, there may well come a day when women are forced to bear children, or punished if they don't.
I dont demonize, but I wonder as to how such a basic biological imperative can be short-circuited in so many women. And I will say that nearly everyone's lives would be much deeper and more meaningful with children. A friend of mine who was similar to you found herself pregnant; rejected abortion, and had the child. She cannot believe how her entire reason for being has changed, and she would not EVER go back if she could. You may be one of the truly rare outliers but for most women it's simply self-centeredness.
There is no need to persuade those women who don’t want children to have them. Just to help those that do.
@@WhizzingFish12nope, lots us in the world. It's just something so frown uppon, most of the times we just keep this reality to ourselves.
But yeah, lots of women who are horrible mothers cause they didn't have a choice of not to have any. Lots of unhappy women exactly due to being forced into motherhood. My grandmother is a great example, had 2 kids, hated the whole experience, depressed most of her life.
Have at least 2 friends who became depressed and unhappy after becoming a mother.
As a man, thas a no go for me.
@@scottwhat3362Of course there should be NO coercion, but relating to women that modern culture has done a number on them and that the desire to not have kids is a symptom of it FOR MOST OF THEM is absolutely fair. The urge to reproduce is one of the most hardwired biological imperatives in all living creatures. Otherwise it would have been selected out endless eons ago.
All part of the plan
the buy to let boom destroyed the family homes of gen x, and now there is a birth rate collapse
Great discussion. Well done Winston for having done all your research beforehand.
I'm thinking of the elephant in the room tho, too many young people these days are either overly anxious about the climate, or only interested in instant gratification of their needs. They're too selfish to consider giving up anything in their lives to be able to consider the sacrifices that are often required with bringing children into the world. The trans issue is also a problem. These youngsters are being chemically castrated at an early age. Its a form of genocide.
Where I live in Canada there is a housing crisis due to overpopulation so I think it's best we slow down all the wontan reproduction!
How can anyone start a family? Between bills and rent!? You know how much money you’d need?
Break up the huge estates and vast farms. Let young people get back on the land. Farmers have children because they are an asset. Urban families don't have kids because they are an expense.
Except that there are so many urban people and small farms are incapable of feeding that population. Also not all land is arable so you solution seems to be one that would rapid population collapse due to starvation. In additio is incredibly hard to produce food.
Can we have some balance please? I don't want to walk everywhere and wear home spun. The carrying capacity of the planet is 4 Bn at a EU level of Consumption or 2Bn at a US level of consumption. We need to get there for sustainability sake but we need to get there at a sensible rate. We need to stabilise at between 2 and 4 Bn as a global population. The world hit 2 Bn in 1927 and 1974. We didn't feel that there were vast numbers of people missing in 1927 or 1974. In fact, we were already getting books like Make Room! Make Room! by 1966. This is very achievable.
yes i agree lot of hidden in plain sight problems come from this overpopulation... social abuse and low income, rising prices. lot of unsustainable things in social way which likely stem from more people sharing same limited resources of food, housing, energy, raw materials in world. 1960s UK culture was golden and less population then so more people is not better.
Oh a devotee of the Malthusian Death Cult 😂
Do people still believe that rubbish 😂😂😂
@@effexonAnd yet the population increase of the west is purely driven by immigration. We could still have affordable housing and energy. The problem is our governments adherence to global agreements designed to impoverish, control and enslave us, and perhaps even destroy us. We are the ones they want reduced.
You're talking nonsense Bill. You've watched too many WEF videos,grow up.
We've exceeded carrying capacity of id*ots for this planet,that's our biggest problem.
Give young people a break!!! Why would they want to bring children into the world when they can afford a big enough flat to raise a family. Both, he and she has to work 1 1/2 jobs each just pay rent and that doesn’t include buying much less renting. Go ahead and make this complicated when it is all about the financial situation. Give them the incentive!!! The incentives are the solution
know solution give young people alcohol and enough money to support children it's a poverty problem that led to this.
Reasons: TV, The Pill, Smartphones, Global academic comepetition
"World wide unstoppable famines" was Erlich's prediction.
was this mentioned in video`? I see many small signs pointing towards that despite everyone assuring things are under control. Sure those with money always came unscathed from historical crisis.
@@effexon no: I was quoting from Erhlich's book
No one talks about war. How many people including children are killed in wars. Just seeing the decimation of Ukrainians and Gazans seem like it should be mentioned.
To have children today who’s paying for everything? The house, nursery, food with inflation… like who’s paying for it? And you wonder why marriages, relationships are on the decline… if there’s no money and inflation is spiraling out of control and wages are not inline with inflation then what do expect 🤣🤣🤣… it’s not rocket science…
There is little uptick in birth rates between boom and bust cycles. Except a slight bump at the beginning of booms. Probably from the few who who were waiting for the right time. Even in these ‘busts’ the average human lives better than 99% of humans in history. And vastly longer.
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Did your grandparents stop having children in the 1930's?? Cause the economy was worse. Financial considerations are merely an excuse. There are other factors causing this problem.
@@minavanderleest9493 it’s a different world now, back then everyone was more or less in the same situation… fast forwarded to now, if you don’t have money it’s pretty difficult to survive because everything in terms of cost have spiraled out of control and rapidly increased…
@@Bond-wn9suback then there was low middle and high class, just like today.
What there wasn't is the same amount of entertainment and tech to avoid pregnancy.
In 1900 there were a billion human beings. By 1960 that had trebled to three billion. It’s now eight billion. In Africa women still have five children, on average, and the African population is going to double. On top of that, we will soon have age-slowing medicines. Lifespan is going to rise way beyond 100. Pretty soon, average lifespans in the developed world will be 120, at least. So people won’t be dying to make room. The U.K. is now so crowded I could scream.
I live in South Africa. The birth rate is now 2.26 will a prediction of continuing decrease. The accepted rate of decrease is .1 per year South Africa is two years from being below replacement level. The narrative is that Africa has a high birth rate and I cannot speak to that but in South Africa it seems to be very close to be below the minimum replacement level. I am also not sure what the replacement rate is in South Africa.
'Men are as much to blame..' Just read, or better watch, if you can find it, 'The father love that dare not speak its name', i.e. Bob Geldof on father's rights and be ashamed.
Japan are were doing well because they have limited different cultures entering , whereas US in the UK are witnessing tge demise of our culture and society, hence we are scared for the future of our children , also our welfare dies not help the natives anymore
We were able to populate the world hundreds of years in much worse living condition, even with a high mortality rate for infants. Improve the cost of living so that young people will have children again.
Mass immigration has been a failure. The problem has only worsened with this short-sighted "solution".
That means more debt and higher taxes. Why? Cause public services and government special rights isn't free.
And as is what is needed is to increse military spending cause the threat at the moment isn't future colapse, it today's invasion, as the flag in ur pp shows.
@@puraLusa Mass immigration policies are only make things worse. It is not a sustainable way to grow a population. We need to fix the actual underlying problems instead of band-aid fixes.
@@zomgoose "we" is an expresion of gulibles. People have migrated since 1st humans. Unless u want a police state, there isn't much that can be done. Also, if there was a practical solution, it would already been implemented.
Root problem isn't in uk or europe, it's outside where the migrants come from. Do u know how to respect sovereignty and keep people from fleeing at the same time?
@@puraLusa What are you talking about? Why are you talking about a police state and fleeing immigrants? You are going off on tangents.
Fixing the Fertility Rate needs to be a priority. Relying on immigration is not sustainable.
Service and sacrifice.
Winston is a coward. All bark and no bite.
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