Bengal Tiger If you're prepared to race a tuned F10 M5, then that would be fair. So a stock M5 is rumoured to make 600bhp at the wheels, STOCK. Good luck. You'll probably be good of the line because of the epic traction.. I can't wait until the X-Drive M5..
Subhaan Ilyas what should this change? M3 and m4 are the same, and since they did runs with the stock m4 at the beginning, I don't see what the point in this race would be. Paul's tuned AMG GTS vs the tuned m4 would be more interesting
good joob in oldier video i asking for this one ! and now was happened so my curious is now done . great job for this video hope you will have a lot of view's cuz is not to much vid's on this tipe on youtube . we waiting more of this tipe (you're a45 tunned vs bigger engines ) i love a45 but i still dream about s7 so more vid's with other comparation will make me take a decision maybe ! great joob !
Not sure if it'll be a fair fight because you've mapped yours but I'd like to see a head to head between your A45 and a C43. I had a race with a standard A45 in mine and it was really close...stage 1 vs stage 1 would be interesting...
Well either your A45 hasnt really got 450hp or the M4 has way more than that otherwise I dont see this happening... Why would he smoke u like that on the rolling start if youve got 20 more hp (supposedly)
Angel Gentchev you can adjust the revs on the M4's launch control to modulate some of the wheel spin. You can have the revs holding as low as around 3000rpm before it launches
I feel like launch control start of tuned M4 vs your tuned A45 is missing here. Would have gave us a better idea of how much difference that box makes... Or wait... that might mean even more M4 wheel spin at the start? lol
scorpas Well exactly why we didn't do it from standing - lots of wheelspin. Much better and more accurate test is from rolling where most day to day public road scenarios would occur
Both cars are nice, I do prefer that M4, but that AMG like all AMGs are nothing to play with, it blew the doors off that M4 on take off, then the M4 blew the doors off the AMG on top end, it show's the great advantage of the four wheel drive, then it showed the great advantage of having more horsepower. On two respectable cars. I did race an M4 with my 08 350z HR, yea it had a little too much for me, the guy was like a wizard with it and that launch control is amazing with the dual clutch, beat me like by two cars, it's a great car, who knows maybe in the future I'll grab one. God willing.
If had to choose one of these for racing, i would've chosen the M4, also because i like that one more then the Merc. It also has a better sound in my opinion
The M4 has two extra cylinders so from 100mph plus I'd say the A45 would struggle to keep up. It's strong on launch but lacks top end? What the BHP on the M4 post tune?
Also, what about racing your A45 against Shmee150's Focus RS? He's recently had the Mountune kit fitted so that could be close, although I think your A45 would still have a bit more power than the RS, even with the Mountune kit fitted.
Yup. BMW power ratings are usually understated and they are measured at the wheels where most other companies measure at the crank which will give you numbers roughly 10% higher. When comparing BMW power to other cars, depending on the car you are comparing to you probably want to add 5HP and then add an extra 10% of the overall to get a closer comparison. Archie's tune takes his car to 450 supposedly but that's likely crank measurement so actually about 405hp to the wheels which would explain why the stock M4 managed to close the gap so easily
Correct, it has been proven that M3/M4 have 425 whp, so depending on exact drivetrain losses, it would be between 460-480 bhp. I personally love the M3 over the M4. The price of the M3 I wanted was $88k...just couldn't justify it, lol...got something different.
When he says neck and neck, I don't think he understands this concept. Saying there is nothing in it, its neck and neck. Applies to a theory that the cars are next to each other, neither being able to pull away from each other. That is neck and neck. You have what you call a close finish. Naturally 4WD gets off the line quicker, the M3 is more powerful and catches/passes you. Even though you have a close finish, the M3 will have a much higher exit speed, meaning it will pull even harder further down the road. Definitely not neck and neck then right. Must establish proper terminology in order to comment on actual factual events.
Hey Josh, is there a reason behind picking that particular tuning box for your car with all of the different one's being offered and how many did you look at before getting the one you did and do you think you made the right decision? If not would you have gotten a different one, which one and last but not least would you recommend the one you've got?
Hamlet telmaH I knew Rebellion Automotive were a reliable company and after feeling the difference in Archie's car, I decided to give them a shot! Haven't experienced any other tuning boxes, but I was amazed at the difference in performance. 6,000 miles later and not a single problem or warning light, so would definitely recommend Rebellion and their M4 tuning box! Transforms the car and couldn't believe how slow stock felt when I unplugged it!
I know a stock m4 has a great power curve but against a 450hp a45 amg i did not expect the m4 to reel the a45 in that easily. Are you sure that a45 is 450hp? Looked a weak 380 to me. Also none of those races were close, only thing was the traction of the a45 making it appear so
Get the 550 maranello out! See how the A45 and tuned M3 stack up against a true italian thoroughbred! We need some perspective of how far things have moved on in the last 20 odd years!
Hey Archie, if you're ever interested in a comparison with an M140i with the JB4 tuning box then give me a shout. You'll obviously have me off the line, but rolling start maybe close.
I think I learn more about life from your channel than from school. Please, more videos. Much, much more. The M4 may be sleeker, but the a45 took my heart way before. No hard feelings, Beamer. P.S: Any chance you could get your hands on the Audi RS3? I would appreciate your view of that ride. And I'd definitely love to see how that drag race would go. MAY THE BOOST BE WITH Y'ALL!!!
here's a couple of car wich could be cool if you raced: 5.0 mustang, porsche 911 turbo, Mercedes c63 s, audi s5, Mercedes gla 45 amg, ford focus st and audi rs3
Hi Archie, Do you fancy doing a drag between the A45 AMG and a Audi RS4 B8.5.I'm looking to buy either of the 2, so it would be good to see how they compare back-2-back. Cheers dude......
In the drag race you were doing the count down and because of that you knew exactly when to go and Josh was really only moving once he saw you move and by then you gone. Get someone else to do the count for you and may find that launches are little more closer. I know it seems trivial but we are talking about bragging rights lol anyway the 45s a magnificent little beast, great review lads.
Wow those AMGs are no joke, but those M4s are monstrous, nice.
Johnboy finally, a good comment without someone being a bit of a d*ck.
Monstrous compared to a 2.0 4 cylinder. But the M4 is definitely not fast.
TehZured it definitely is!
Definitely is not! The M4 gets beat by naturally aspirated v8s. That's pretty sad
TehZured what na v8 is that then
be a good video if he would just shut his mouth when racing
Annoying AF!
You should try a race against shmee150's Ford Focus RS and Paul's M3
Drilon Ibraimi The A45 would win as it's more powerful & has better traction off the line compared to the M3.
DanieI Joseph Didn't you just see the M4 beat the A45 🙄 M3 has same engine 🤔
The M3 isn't chipped to 550bhp though.
DanieI Joseph The first few runs were with it in stock 👍
It's a 2L v4 not a high revving v12
Drag race starts at 1:34
Your welcome.... :)
Not yet, its 2:04
No, its 2:06
not neck and neck lol,,Mercedes got wasted
Even C63S coupe standard will eat M4 tuned.
According to several drag race videos here on You Tube, there is quite a margin at the quarter mile.
The M4 is only close with the C63 sedan.
Mr Smith yeah cause it has more horses and an m4 stock would eat your c63s around the track
Maybe a few years ago but not anymore. C63, A45, AMG GT and so on, are great on a track. You should start watching Motor Trend.
Latvietis96 yeeah and yet its the car with the less BHP
race your AMG with Supercars of London's M3
Coming soon!
OK can't wait 🤗😊
Archie Hamilton Racing interested in racing the Audi RS3 8v?
Archie Hamilton Racing fyi I have an APR 8V 2016 RS3 if you want to use let me know...
Bengal Tiger If you're prepared to race a tuned F10 M5, then that would be fair. So a stock M5 is rumoured to make 600bhp at the wheels, STOCK. Good luck. You'll probably be good of the line because of the epic traction.. I can't wait until the X-Drive M5..
White BMW!!!!! Watch out!
MrBart 😂😂😂😂😂
get outtaaa heeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!
Eyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!
salomondrin ref?
Vyas Luchmun yep!
This Channel has become a permanent AD for tuning boxes, I'm gonna tune out.
no one asked
a45 vs m4 is unfair !
c63 vs m4 ;) !
or
a45 vs m2 !
Cls vs m4 not c
C
@@vuqarabdullayev. e63s vs m4
@@zipclipz5458 Cls vs m4
yes
Why does he keep saying its really close ? The M4 won every one !!!!
Nope
Nope
why does it sound like you changing gears to early?
because he isnt changing any gears
BECAUSE HE IS!!!!!!!!!!!
He is terrible
He's trying to make it lose
thanks archie for making this video. A video I have been waiting for over 2 years now.
M4 is a car to be compared with c63 AMG
rana ehtisham but the A45 is tuned dumb ass
You got 450 hp ?? a stock m4 has 431 hp and you said that the m4 has more power ?? Something is rong here
Igor Vieira The M4 has 520bhp with the tuning box. Even stock it has more than 431 as BMW claims 👍🏼
still less power than the 450 hp in the tune a45 ...
JoshWebsterRacing is it jb4 ?
Wheel vs crank?
noo, all values at crank 450 hp (a45) tuned and 431hp stock (m4)
race paul wallace in his bmw m3
Looks like this is happening 😉
thanks for picking my suggestion
Subhaan Ilyas what should this change? M3 and m4 are the same, and since they did runs with the stock m4 at the beginning, I don't see what the point in this race would be.
Paul's tuned AMG GTS vs the tuned m4 would be more interesting
good joob in oldier video i asking for this one ! and now was happened so my curious is now done . great job for this video hope you will have a lot of view's cuz is not to much vid's on this tipe on youtube . we waiting more of this tipe (you're a45 tunned vs bigger engines ) i love a45 but i still dream about s7 so more vid's with other comparation will make me take a decision maybe ! great joob !
Cool video Archie! Exciting stuff!
What is whit that early shifting ?
AudioStatus it's probably the auto gearbox rather then use of the manual shift paddles if fitted
This is a turbocharged engine man
Well if we see some videos on here for 0-X none of them dont shift that early. I understand tq and so on, but it seems a bit early
That's what I was waiting for - thanks Archie!
your channel is so sick! love the mixture of high performance daily's and not just supercars :)
Thanks mate
you kept on short shifting the A45 in the second drag
Not sure if it'll be a fair fight because you've mapped yours but I'd like to see a head to head between your A45 and a C43. I had a race with a standard A45 in mine and it was really close...stage 1 vs stage 1 would be interesting...
Well either your A45 hasnt really got 450hp or the M4 has way more than that otherwise I dont see this happening... Why would he smoke u like that on the rolling start if youve got 20 more hp (supposedly)
Cos BMWs are geared to get there power mid range
Awesome video man! Very fun to watch! :D
Wouldn't mind seeing it against Paul's AMG GTS
Insidious XXX they already did
yes but the A45 wasn't tuned at this moment
I wonder what it would've been without launch control since BMW's LC system has far too much wheel spin
Angel Gentchev you can adjust the revs on the M4's launch control to modulate some of the wheel spin. You can have the revs holding as low as around 3000rpm before it launches
Most vehicles launch better without using launch control.
Getting my m140i tuned in 2 weeks by schnitzer. 420bhp and over 600nm. Fancy it?
I'm jealous
i would assume a better competitor for the m4 would be a c63
Great race.
Huge difference..Although I'm a huge fan of AMG ,BMW was by shot faster as stock ...with the tuning box ,don't even
bother ..
Holy shit! LinusTechTips drives an M4!?!
1989osu Hahahaha I look just like him! 😂
Awesome video! You got the daily vlog game moving along.
wowzor the excitement is incredible. You guys are classic. Loved the vid
grins047 Thank you!
I feel like launch control start of tuned M4 vs your tuned A45 is missing here. Would have gave us a better idea of how much difference that box makes... Or wait... that might mean even more M4 wheel spin at the start? lol
scorpas Well exactly why we didn't do it from standing - lots of wheelspin. Much better and more accurate test is from rolling where most day to day public road scenarios would occur
Both cars are nice, I do prefer that M4, but that AMG like all AMGs are nothing to play with, it blew the doors off that M4 on take off, then the M4 blew the doors off the AMG on top end, it show's the great advantage of the four wheel drive, then it showed the great advantage of having more horsepower. On two respectable cars. I did race an M4 with my 08 350z HR, yea it had a little too much for me, the guy was like a wizard with it and that launch control is amazing with the dual clutch, beat me like by two cars, it's a great car, who knows maybe in the future I'll grab one. God willing.
TWISTED
I'd fancy my chances of beating you both :P. that M4 is an absolute monster. especially when rolling and spooled up. one of my favourite cars.
did you shortshift 4 to 5 gear in the second drag race??? because it sounded a lot like it!
M2 vs your A45 please!!!
Similar performance when both are stock.
If had to choose one of these for racing, i would've chosen the M4, also because i like that one more then the Merc. It also has a better sound in my opinion
Love these videos! Nice to see races from a rolling start aswell 👍
The M4 has two extra cylinders so from 100mph plus I'd say the A45 would struggle to keep up. It's strong on launch but lacks top end?
What the BHP on the M4 post tune?
Race against your subscribers 💪🏻
Great video gents! Mad how much difference the box makes.
Also, what about racing your A45 against Shmee150's Focus RS? He's recently had the Mountune kit fitted so that could be close, although I think your A45 would still have a bit more power than the RS, even with the Mountune kit fitted.
Well made video. Subscribed!
Did you do a race start launch with Josh's tuning box in?
I was expecting a launch control start with with the tuning box as well...
The stock M3/4 already has about 480bhp at the flywheel, not the the claimed 425.
Yup. BMW power ratings are usually understated and they are measured at the wheels where most other companies measure at the crank which will give you numbers roughly 10% higher. When comparing BMW power to other cars, depending on the car you are comparing to you probably want to add 5HP and then add an extra 10% of the overall to get a closer comparison. Archie's tune takes his car to 450 supposedly but that's likely crank measurement so actually about 405hp to the wheels which would explain why the stock M4 managed to close the gap so easily
Correct, it has been proven that M3/M4 have 425 whp, so depending on exact drivetrain losses, it would be between 460-480 bhp. I personally love the M3 over the M4. The price of the M3 I wanted was $88k...just couldn't justify it, lol...got something different.
My M4 was 460bhp with Exhaust mods and air filters only
What’s the optimal m settings to have on the M4 for a stand still race?
Should the traction be on mdm or completely off??
Jus subscribed ! Jus cause i loveed the video
What is the first song?
What torque figure did u make with the 450 bhp in the a45?
When he says neck and neck, I don't think he understands this concept. Saying there is nothing in it, its neck and neck. Applies to a theory that the cars are next to each other, neither being able to pull away from each other. That is neck and neck. You have what you call a close finish. Naturally 4WD gets off the line quicker, the M3 is more powerful and catches/passes you. Even though you have a close finish, the M3 will have a much higher exit speed, meaning it will pull even harder further down the road. Definitely not neck and neck then right. Must establish proper terminology in order to comment on actual factual events.
what happened with the launch control with the chipped box on?
What's with the A45 short shifting ? I reckon in would have taken the M4 in the standing starts if the shifts were higher in the power band.
Hey Josh, is there a reason behind picking that particular tuning box for your car with all of the different one's being offered and how many did you look at before getting the one you did and do you think you made the right decision? If not would you have gotten a different one, which one and last but not least would you recommend the one you've got?
Hamlet telmaH I knew Rebellion Automotive were a reliable company and after feeling the difference in Archie's car, I decided to give them a shot! Haven't experienced any other tuning boxes, but I was amazed at the difference in performance. 6,000 miles later and not a single problem or warning light, so would definitely recommend Rebellion and their M4 tuning box! Transforms the car and couldn't believe how slow stock felt when I unplugged it!
JoshWebsterRacing Thanks for the reply, I haven't made up my mind yet but your info does help a lot. Thanks again and good luck.
Archie you should get the turbosmart kompact blow off valve for a45 its a direct bolt on. It reduce compressor surge... increase boost response
Nice one Josh, out of the box M4 beats modded A45 AMG
Hi mate where do you buy your tuning box from?
The White m4 vs Paul's gts both rwd please
I know a stock m4 has a great power curve but against a 450hp a45 amg i did not expect the m4 to reel the a45 in that easily. Are you sure that a45 is 450hp? Looked a weak 380 to me. Also none of those races were close, only thing was the traction of the a45 making it appear so
GazRwood that a45 is deffo not 450. I've had a much closer race with an m4 with my tuned audi S3 at 380bhp
2:13 Sees M4 in mirror, immediately winds window up to improve aerodynamic efficiency xD
Nice to see as stock m4 then as a chipped one great what power is the m4 with the running box ?
i keep hearing about this tuning box, what does it do? its interesting how a small box can provide so much power.
What camera do u use sir ? Looks perfect to me
Can you race your a45 with a 335d/435d. Stock and tuned. Both 4wd would be interesting. Diesel vs petrol
Get the 550 maranello out! See how the A45 and tuned M3 stack up against a true italian thoroughbred! We need some perspective of how far things have moved on in the last 20 odd years!
Vw Golf R Stage 3 APR... around 400 to 450HP would be a nice race Archie.
Tuning boxes do work, no better ad than this one.
changes gears to early all the time in the a45. you can also hear the 2 gear changes up at 3.04 within 1 sec of each other.
Pretty quick them M4's ! Wouldn't mind seeing how a tuned B5 RS4 with 500bhp would do ?
carl lynch The Best RS4 from Audi the B5 😍😍😍😍
Damn! These comparison drags are epic!!
may i know what spoiler are you using ?
Archie do a drag race between the A45 and an RS3
What's ur top speed on the runway archie
Hey Archie, if you're ever interested in a comparison with an M140i with the JB4 tuning box then give me a shout. You'll obviously have me off the line, but rolling start maybe close.
I think I learn more about life from your channel than from school. Please, more videos. Much, much more. The M4 may be sleeker, but the a45 took my heart way before. No hard feelings, Beamer.
P.S: Any chance you could get your hands on the Audi RS3? I would appreciate your view of that ride. And I'd definitely love to see how that drag race would go.
MAY THE BOOST BE WITH Y'ALL!!!
Where are you racing Archie which airstrip
the shift from 3rd to 4th In the amg was way too quick
I love your videos Archie keep them up they are so good 😝🚗
What's your new 0-60 with ur tuned a45?
nice video but why no drag race from launch with the m4 mapped
here's a couple of car wich could be cool if you raced:
5.0 mustang, porsche 911 turbo, Mercedes c63 s, audi s5, Mercedes gla 45 amg, ford focus st and audi rs3
+Archie Hamilton how much lb ft of torque has that a45 got mate? Thanks
Great Vids Archie
race your Ferrari vs your a45
Hi Archie, Do you fancy doing a drag between the A45 AMG and a Audi RS4 B8.5.I'm looking to buy either of the 2, so it would be good to see how they compare back-2-back. Cheers dude......
If it was raining like it does 290 days of the year in the U.K. Then I think the A45 would kill it 👍🏻
"These cars are actually neck and neck" - as the m4 crosses the line first haha
The one with 2 wheel drive should do the count down. You get a better launch not only because you have AWD but also you were doing the count down.
The M4 from this video vs. Paul Wallace's Renntech GTS :-D
The race starts here 1:50
BMW needs to add a launch control to the M series. I'm aware that they can be aftermarket added, but they need them stock. Is this a thing yet?
You guys need a camera on a finish line 😉 Love that AMG, hope one day I’ll get one 😁
Lol hoping is useless if you dont put in the grind for the paper my guy.
So, +Archie Hamilton Racing.... tell us again why you bought the A45???
why does your last gear sound so long?
In the drag race you were doing the count down and because of that you knew exactly when to go and Josh was really only moving once he saw you move and by then you gone. Get someone else to do the count for you and may find that launches are little more closer. I know it seems trivial but we are talking about bragging rights lol anyway the 45s a magnificent little beast, great review lads.
5:27 best example of what not to do, bravo!!
please make a video on the a45 vs m140i
Who made that intro song?
you could try swapping driver and see who's better in which car