Great video. It is very difficult to know when it is right to go for the check raise. My observation here was that, even though the check raise, is a value check raise, it seems that it is also a "clean information" check raise? A check raise on the flop that generates a fold makes it clean and clear that villain had nothing. If the check raise is called there might be one pair, a draw or a float. And, if the check raise is re-raised then hero will know that there there might be a set, 2 pair, a straight etc... or if the check raise gets re-raised by a bluff, well, then If that is what has happened, I suppose you just gotta tip your hat to your opponent, and move to the next hand?
Dude... I would have folded that in a heartbeat. Although, I probably would have checked the river, which I feel also would have induced him to shove. Should we be triple barreling there? By triple barreling I do mean 1/2 pot not 1/6 haha.
+The Poker Bank During this video I would have made every single play the same as you were saying, but would have folded after the shove. I feel like Ax was in his range, and with that board I don't think my jacks would hold up often enough.
+Vladimir Dolgopolov however he probably would not have stuck around until the river if you were throwing heftier bets his way early(portential 0.9x pot on flop. maybe (0.6x-0.7 pot on turn). villains shove would be way weaker and an easier(yet scary af) call. or ya. a fold if he does stick around. but I also find it kinda rare that ppl will headhunt specifically to river bluff facing huge bets
If I was that villain I would have taken exactly that line with A4 - because I find the low connectors pay out extremely well in situations like this. Oh except I would have flopped the straight... so I guess it would have been different. and I wouldn't have done this without the ace. so n/m not the same at all.
I would, however, have taken this line with A3 for the same reason - calling the very good pricing hoping a 4 would drop. getting the boat on the river would definitely be a shove moment. however if the hero hadn't given such good pricing I wouldn't be playing baby aces for low straights, but with this pricing I 100% would.
I've had a similar situation before with JJ, playing way too weak and getting shoved, and ended up folding because there was a KQ on the board, not knowing whether I induced it with my weak play or if they actually had a Q or K.
In a way optimal as the small bets made the villain bluff his hand. Had it been a bigger raise on preflop flop probably the villain would fold and the hero would have won a small pot.
that $2.50 bet on the river was so weird and definitely looked like a very weak bet. He bet less than he did on the turn so most of the time when I see players do that, they're generally either very weak or scared of the river card and it's sort of an attempt to be a blocker bet. Hero definitely induce this weird spot himself, although I would like to hear your thoughts on just checking instead. Although, I could see good players using this induce to their advantage and getting more value when they feel that their ahead
+ArsenalBowler I agree. Unless this was purposefull, it is better to check the river. That might still induce a bluff bet, but it is likely to be a more traditional 2/3 pot bet, which is a bit easier to call in my opinion. If nothing else, then you lose less, when you are behind :-)
Spots like this I'm usually checking the river to induce a bluff and using those added bluffs to bolster my expected wins overall... Getting called twice would usually make me iffy... If you were villain where would you bluff?
If I'm the villain here, I quit poker because there's no excuse for calling to the river there with Q/10off. Seriously, though, what could possibly be the thought process for the villain here?
are there any free softwares out there which aren't replayers which allows you to make custom poker hand scenarios for hold'em, omaha hi, and omaha hi/lo ?
Poorly played, but gotta admit it was a solid call. I think the $2.50 bet was the strongest thing hero did as it definitely induced the shove and I think the hero knew that. Props to the clutch end play, but he made it harder on himself than it should've been.
Hi James, I agree with what you say in 99.99% of the time but I strongly disagree with a check-raise here. The vast majority of the time I would be betting the flop, the only time we should check raise is against LAGtards. Players on these levels are very passive so most of the time they will check back and I got burnt too many times by runner-runner anything. They will still call us wide on flop.
Betting is certainly best if you assume he wouldn't bet the flop often. IME though, players bet when checked to a ton of the time and play against check/raises terribly...but that's just my experience...
Sorry to hear that. If you think other shouldn't use that word, why use it yourself? Instead coaching others what they should say, you should learn to better control your own emotions.
Martin Bezuch I don't assign a range that tight for a player with his stats and stack depth. If you assign a range that tight, then just fold to the 4bet.
I would ask you to NOT know the outcome of the hand that are you advising, then see how often your advice is worth the win or the loss. I looked at your advice, knowing both hole cards and saying, damn a JJ's against rags, go all in. The using of math to try and win a pot is fine until the cards are shuffled. then the math goes out the window and luck rules. But also, poker is a fear game, based on whether a person can afford to lose, but being this the money is micro sized, you are going to get called more often that not, no fear equals at least, a call.
Q10?? are you kidding me??
what a sick call
Great video.
It is very difficult to know when it is right to go for the check raise. My observation here was that, even though the check raise, is a value check raise, it seems that it is also a "clean information" check raise?
A check raise on the flop that generates a fold makes it clean and clear that villain had nothing.
If the check raise is called there might be one pair, a draw or a float.
And, if the check raise is re-raised then hero will know that there there might be a set, 2 pair, a straight etc...
or if the check raise gets re-raised by a bluff, well, then If that is what has happened, I suppose you just gotta tip your hat to your opponent, and move to the next hand?
***** Thanks Darcy, and great contribution!
only the last 6 months ive started making these calls and exploiting and realising how wide players can b with similar stats
Dude... I would have folded that in a heartbeat.
Although, I probably would have checked the river, which I feel also would have induced him to shove. Should we be triple barreling there? By triple barreling I do mean 1/2 pot not 1/6 haha.
Bryce Doganer the pot should have been so much larger by the time we got to the river spot, that it would have been a shove.
I agree that I would've folded.
I think I would have folded
HydraGraphics but would you have played it the same way leading up to the river?
+The Poker Bank During this video I would have made every single play the same as you were saying, but would have folded after the shove. I feel like Ax was in his range, and with that board I don't think my jacks would hold up often enough.
+Vladimir Dolgopolov however he probably would not have stuck around until the river if you were throwing heftier bets his way early(portential 0.9x pot on flop. maybe (0.6x-0.7 pot on turn). villains shove would be way weaker and an easier(yet scary af) call. or ya. a fold if he does stick around. but I also find it kinda rare that ppl will headhunt specifically to river bluff facing huge bets
If I was that villain I would have taken exactly that line with A4 - because I find the low connectors pay out extremely well in situations like this. Oh except I would have flopped the straight... so I guess it would have been different. and I wouldn't have done this without the ace. so n/m not the same at all.
I would, however, have taken this line with A3 for the same reason - calling the very good pricing hoping a 4 would drop. getting the boat on the river would definitely be a shove moment. however if the hero hadn't given such good pricing I wouldn't be playing baby aces for low straights, but with this pricing I 100% would.
the opponent here is clearly a fish. hero should have made it $7 preflop and shoved the flop. Villain is a fish, so he would have called.
I've had a similar situation before with JJ, playing way too weak and getting shoved, and ended up folding because there was a KQ on the board, not knowing whether I induced it with my weak play or if they actually had a Q or K.
This is a good video. Totally agree with preflop action. Very nice RCE (if it was based on the result of a through proces).
MicskiDK thanks Micski!
In a way optimal as the small bets made the villain bluff his hand. Had it been a bigger raise on preflop flop probably the villain would fold and the hero would have won a small pot.
My bad.. He's in the sb. I should spend more time looking at the board before posting lol
Hey splitsuit I love your vids but how can the hero check raise if he's on the button?
Hero is small blind
that $2.50 bet on the river was so weird and definitely looked like a very weak bet. He bet less than he did on the turn so most of the time when I see players do that, they're generally either very weak or scared of the river card and it's sort of an attempt to be a blocker bet. Hero definitely induce this weird spot himself, although I would like to hear your thoughts on just checking instead. Although, I could see good players using this induce to their advantage and getting more value when they feel that their ahead
+ArsenalBowler I agree. Unless this was purposefull, it is better to check the river. That might still induce a bluff bet, but it is likely to be a more traditional 2/3 pot bet, which is a bit easier to call in my opinion. If nothing else, then you lose less, when you are behind :-)
Spots like this I'm usually checking the river to induce a bluff and using those added bluffs to bolster my expected wins overall... Getting called twice would usually make me iffy...
If you were villain where would you bluff?
If I'm the villain here, I quit poker because there's no excuse for calling to the river there with Q/10off. Seriously, though, what could possibly be the thought process for the villain here?
+Kevin Bailey probably just getting lucky with stupid bluffs. lol.
what software do you use to create these hands ?
everydayhanja It's a customized replayer using PokerTracker 4
are there any free softwares out there which aren't replayers which allows you to make custom poker hand scenarios for hold'em, omaha hi, and omaha hi/lo ?
Poorly played, but gotta admit it was a solid call. I think the $2.50 bet was the strongest thing hero did as it definitely induced the shove and I think the hero knew that. Props to the clutch end play, but he made it harder on himself than it should've been.
Hi James,
I agree with what you say in 99.99% of the time but I strongly disagree with a check-raise here. The vast majority of the time I would be betting the flop, the only time we should check raise is against LAGtards. Players on these levels are very passive so most of the time they will check back and I got burnt too many times by runner-runner anything. They will still call us wide on flop.
Betting is certainly best if you assume he wouldn't bet the flop often. IME though, players bet when checked to a ton of the time and play against check/raises terribly...but that's just my experience...
Please don't use lagtard. My sister is retarded and it offensive. Thanks.
Sorry to hear that. If you think other shouldn't use that word, why use it yourself? Instead coaching others what they should say, you should learn to better control your own emotions.
+1985gvs I meant does NOT make op's comment offensive
Looks like I bluff I would run haha
BannedAgian hopefully not in the future :)
The Poker Bank With the nuts I mean ;D
What would you do if you 3bet preflop 2,50$ and JumperQC will 4bet you to 8$? What will be the plans? (you have no informations about player)
Martin Bezuch with zero information, jam
The Poker Bank Hmm, what range do you give him after 4bet? I give him AK, QQ+. You change JJ into bluff, mI correct?
Martin Bezuch I don't assign a range that tight for a player with his stats and stack depth. If you assign a range that tight, then just fold to the 4bet.
I would ask you to NOT know the outcome of the hand that are you advising, then see how often your advice is worth the win or the loss. I looked at your advice, knowing both hole cards and saying, damn a JJ's against rags, go all in. The using of math to try and win a pot is fine until the cards are shuffled. then the math goes out the window and luck rules. But also, poker is a fear game, based on whether a person can afford to lose, but being this the money is micro sized, you are going to get called more often that not, no fear equals at least, a call.
Once again, Hero makes as much value as he possible can from the hand but is still 'wrong' . . . . ..