Opening Lecture: “The Arms and Armor of the Samurai”
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2016
- Dr. Conlan has focused his research on the samurai, exploring how processes such as warfare determined the politics, ideals, and social matrix of Japan from the tenth through the sixteenth centuries. His publications include State of War: The Violent Order of Fourteenth-Century Japan and Weapons and Fighting Techniques of the Samurai Warrior, 1200-1877 AD.
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4:20 - 4:40 Again, we are presented with complete misconceptions about European armour. European armour does not impede mobility and movement, also its weight is evenly distributed around the body, mainly on the shoulders and hips. Not being able to get up while wearing armour is a myth. Barbarossa drowned not because his armour was heavy, but because he was sick, suffered fatigue and his heart stopped. In fact, Japanese O-yoroi armour is even heavier than European mail, and the later Tosei gusoku is only slightly lighter than the Western plate harness. And the O-yoroi actually offered less mobility than any Medieval European armour.
Exactly O-yori is actually on the heavier end even when compared to jousting armour. That's why it was primarily used on horseback.
I stopped watching after he claimed that
To be fair, Tosei gusoku tends to vary quite in comparison to previous armors, but the weights of heavier configurations are comparable to plate harnesses.
For the O-yoroi, you'd be looking at around 55lbs of armor, which can be brought up to about 60lbs with equipment added.
Best presentation I’ve seen on Samurai battlefield material culture in over 30 years.
As far as I know there is only one (medieval) source refering armor colors by clan, and these differ from those cited in the lecture. The known colors are:
Minamoto: Black / Taira: Purple / Fujiwara: Charteuse (pale green-yellow) / Tachibana: Yellow.
which medieval source is this? because Fujiwara Teika is famously quoted as saying Taira were "the red flags" and Genji were "The white flags". He's not the only one either, that conflict was well documented.
Why do I get a Jeff gouldbloom vibe from this lecturer. Great lecture too, thanks
18:38 - Tatami armor wasn't utilized to any appreciable degree during the 16th century.
Great lecture, but oh, the puns.....ow.
Questionable facts????
Very poor lecture, especially from a supposed specialized professor. Lots of this is total bunk and shoddy conjecture that is easily disproved.
Yes, the Odachi was only swung around like "Dont come near me."...right. It was used only for poking and the curve in the blades had no purpose...This man is absolutely clueless.This is the type of historian who would tell you that a knight couldnt stand up without help if he got knocked down from horseback.
Yeah you tell that expert whos the real historian Scrotumface Um!!!!
@@fartlord5000 Yea I'd take what this expert says with a grain of salt too after what he said at 4:20-4:40. Anyone who still believes European armour impeded movement compared Japanese armour doesn't know what they're talking about. O-yoroi is much heavier than the typical 15th century harness, even heavier than some jousting armour, and those were on the heavy end for extra protection.
@@Jim58223 I was being sarcastic because this person is obnoxious with a stupid name. Your comment is also massively misinformed, People weren’t using O yoroi in the 15th century, at least not nearly as commonly as the 11th through 14th centuries. By the 15th, it was the haramaki and do maru which had become the norm, and they were much more form fitting and lighter than the shoulder-suspended o yoroi which was horseman’s armour. By the 15th century, Japan was employing foot soldiers much more and horsemen took up armour originally intended for footmen.
As for the person performing the lecture, Thomas Conlan, he has written authoritative books on Japanese warriors along with Karl Friday. He was a student of the late Jeff Mass, another well known scholar. He knows what he’s talking about, speaks Japanese, has worked with Japanese scholars - have you? You should actually read some of his work before criticizing it. He makes reference to European armor or concepts mostly so that people understand the differences between the two, and so does Friday.
@@fartlord5000 It seems you can't read. When did I claim people were using O-Yoroi in the 15th century? Read again. I said in comparison to 15th century EUROPEAN ARMOUR. He makes references which he has no clue about and this guy is right about the Odachi. There are countless period illustrations, martial arts schools (taking direct lineage and continuation from the time period), and literary references to it being used for cutting. It makes no sense to claim it as a primarily thrusting weapon when you have a multitude of other weapons that do it better. Lol did I hit a nerve with you, questioning your idol? There are countless statements he makes similar to the Odachi remark that make me question his expertise. Sure he may very well be a well published scholar, but this lecture sure doesn't show that. Maybe he got nervous and made errors. Lmao why do I need to be a published scholar to point out misinformation. If you compare his lecture to someone like Thom Richardson you can really tell who's more qualified. A lot of the statements he makes directly clashes with Richardsons lectures, go look those up. I bet you're one of those people take everything a scholar says as fact. They're people too, they can be wrong sometimes.
@@Jim58223 Lol so why are you comparing armor from Japan’s 11th century from Europe’s 15th 400 years later? That’s a pretty terrible comparison considering the much lighter tosei gusoku was around by the 15th century, and was lighter than European armor.