Shotgunners would rapidly clear German trenches and this tactic was so effective that Model 97s picked up the nicknames “trench brooms” and “trench sweepers”.
Fun fact: as I don’t remember the shotguns name, the trench gun was controversial not because of what it did to someone, but rather because of how fast it could be fired. By holding down the trigger, the gun could be shot simply by pumping it, allowing soldiers to clear trenches in seconds
@@thechickenfriedredneck910 At the time there wasn’t many fast firing weapons that were very mobile, most being bolt action. Revolvers and repeating rifles are the speedy weapons that come to mind but they aren’t very effective in trench warfare
@@dead_webm I'm not saying it was ineffective, Im just saying slam fire wastes a lot of shells. Also those shotguns load one shell at a time, so reloads arent as quick as changing the magazine in your 1911 or putting a clip in your 1903 springfield.
@@thechickenfriedredneck910 Watch some shotgun action at IPSC competitions. They can reload pretty fast, and only take 1 shell at a time. A little bit of practice and you can triple or quadruple your loading speed if you just learn the right techniques and practice them a bit. Of course the guys at WW1 and WW2 had no idea about such techniques.
@@Aaronxxithe entire game is just missing that “gritty” feeling previous BF game had, BF1 was probably the last best example since BFV was kind of like a WW2 DLC - BF2042 on the other hand just feels artificial.
@@GuevaraGGMy Brother and I were watching old, old video of BF 3 (even back to the Open Beta) - and also reminiscing about BF 2 as well. Those games were legitimately insane. The intensity, the sense of calm in the midst of total insanity when you're playing _extremely_ well, the sheer gravity of everything going on around you, and realizing that literally everyone else in the game fighting around you was another person. It was just incomparable. BF 1 was the last truly great Battlefield game, and it really shows with how hard DICE went in on it being immersive.
Out of all battlefields, battlefield 1 had the most intense fighting. I remember playing multiplayer for the first time and I saw bombs dropping, tanks blasting, bullets flying by. Made you feel like you were really part of the battle. This is how a battlefield game should make all players feel. The immersion in battlefield 1 is incomparable.
agree 100%, what a shame how a series went from the epic BF1 to frickin BF20-42 FPS, it hurts so much. What a disgrace this game is compared to this 2016 masterpiece. What a downgrade...
"Shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit from your opponent, and you will need to hire someone to come shovel that shit up"
Apart from that isn't how shotguns are supposed to work. What a shotgun shell actually does is to throw out a lot of small balls. People do not die from the balls as they mostly get stuck in the skin and do not penetrate very deep. Shotgun shells kill through the shock when those balls hit the body. It will cause vibration that travels right into the body which causes a disruption in the body, which causes organs to fail. The same kind of effect why explosives in water is lethal. If you actually want a shotgun shell to penetrate the target you are going to have to use a slug or sabot shell so it become more like a normal rifle round. It is also not very likely that a shotgun shell can blow of limbs and stuff. You require to be rather thin, small or hit a peice of someones body at an angle to allow the balls to actually blow off chunks. If you are right at the breach, maybe you can blow off chuncks. If you shoot people at range with a shotgun and a normal shell. You are not going to blow of chunks as that isn't how the shells work.
@@Cloud_Seeker bro, at short range those balls are still in a tight spread, a wall of lead. You can literally take an arm off, or a "chunk" of body. The use of chokes and longer barrels increase the spread range. While at decent distances it will definitely not penetrate fully, you'd be left with a dangling arm at best close range
I remember a time when a guy playing for germans in my game started fuming over how shotguns have to be banned on the server because they're unfair. History really does repeat itself.
Another feature the Germans hated about this weapon was the lack of a safety disconnect in the Model 1897, which is a feature used in almost all modern shotguns that require you to squeeze the trigger after pumping the shotgun.... without it, you can just hold the trigger and just pump the shotgun to fire it, one skilled enough could empty the weapon in seconds. This technique was called slam firing, and it was extremely effective in the trenches of WW1.
@@71723 scared for his life too. Sexually frustrated and scared soldier pump slamming, when he could be pump slamming some woman instead. Recipe for...disaster? Next just load him up on meth and boom.
I miss this game, it was at it's peak when it first came out, kaiserschlat was always full and half the lobby would actually fight and not sit in a corner of the map and snipe
Fun fact in both WW1 & WW2 Germany tried to sue the US for using shotguns and wanted them banned, despite all that was happening in those wars. Shotguns terrified the Germans that much.
Germans also complained about the Lee Enfield,due to the size of the wounds they accused the British of using dum-dum bullets. They took photographs of the wounds as evidence. Some are in the imperial war museum in London.
For context, the Germans loathed the shotgun so much (primarily for how terrifying the injuries it caused and just their psychological warfare value to boot) that German high command told Entente (British;French;American) equivalents that any soldier of their's found armed with a 'trench broom' (AKA Shotgun) would be executed without question. Americans returned this saying any artillery or mortar crews found with chemical shells or flame troopers would be met with the same amount of extreme prejudice. Neither side followed through on the threats on the broad scale far as I'm aware.
Look at the beauty of this game, the atmosphere was perfectly crafted by dice. I hope they get battlefield back on track to being a fun team based immersive experience
One thing to keep in mind, the shotgun shells then were made of paper. So slam firing one then was harder as well as reloading. Yet it was still one of the most deadly weapons on the field
@@Gentamoru But they have the potential to yet leading triple AAA game studios have been lacking. Its like they all signed a pact this year to produce shit games from now on. Honestly Im hoping GTA 6 can bring logic back to developers and revive the "competition" for better games overall. Back in 2016 we had the GTX 1080, arguably a game changing card. But in 2022, 6 years later, The 3090 is 40% faster than the GTX 1080 yet no game is taking advantage of its power. I dont feel like adding ray-tracing to existing games is good enough.
I loved the aesthetic of BF1, it made the fights feel a lot more fun. Seeing bombers and fighters dog fight was awesome, especially being one of the bomber's crew.
This was the best battlefield imo. Everything just seemed to work on this one. Playing in hardcore servers is rare but once you find one you’re in for a treat
the fact that they actually gave the shotgun a decent range in the game was cool. but if it was realistic the shotgun would still have some more range. but then you would have people screaming its an op and unfair weapon. so a totally realistic ww1 experiance.
I love how the Geneva Convention was basically everyone sitting down and being like “wow, this stuff really messed a lot of people up during the war. Let’s not do that anymore.” Even when it comes down to man vs man, there are still rules and regulations to follow
Fun fact: The Germans actually tried to have the Trench Shotgun banned from warfare saying that it was too devastating and a horrific weapon. We all collectively told them to hold our buckshot.
@Stabswache You're wrong several times over. The shotgun was HIGHLY effective in the trench warfare of WWI and was a favorite amongst American grunt infantry. Although they stopped issuing them to soldiers after WWII, many grunts would bring their own shotguns from home all they way up until Vietnam. The Germans had multiple reasons to hate the shotgun, but what it all boils down to is that we used it effectively and they couldn't stand it.
Yeah no. The complaint was that shotguns were very unlikely to kill outright and mostly just maimed people. They were quite ineffective for myriad reasons
Germans: Hahaha, our enemies are coughing out their own lungs and maybe some other organs from our gas attack. Americans: *use shotguns* Germans: Oh no.
When EA and Dice put their heart in their games this is the beautiful masterpiece we get. Man I miss playing this. Absolutely loved this game. It was so dark and gritty. Also I noticed teams worked together more in this game than other ones I played. The franchise now is just awful in comparison to this. I really hope they can get BF back on track. I miss the days of QUALITY experience.
Battlefield 1 and 5 are amazing games. Probably because there is more accuracy to them and they feel more authentic. We will not discuss 2042 though. 2042 was a dumpster fire.
Imagine being a soldier during the great war and seeing an enemy soldier rapidly approaching with a shotgun while crouch sliding, only to appear within the trenches in a matter of seconds and wiping down your entire platoon.
You mean: Seeing an enemy soldier rapidly rocking the slide on his shotgun to get that mushed paper cartridge out, while trying to stuff one or two fresh ones in at a time, to a maximum of five... and you shoot him with 10 rounds of 9mm over the mangeld bodies of two of your comrades? The shotgun was more a weapon of psychological warfare than an actual thread. The very few casualties is cost were brutally disfigured. But you only had five rounds of paper cartridges, which mushed up quickly in the damp conditions of the trenches, and reloading is very slow. An SMG was more effective. But less frightening.
Germans: omg shotguns are inhumane, Americans need to stop using them immediately 😠 Also Germans: let’s use flamethrowers and invent and use mustard gas 🤪
My grandfather had a Winchester 1897 in WW2 as his "in case I get shot down" weapon in his P-51. Lo and behold he was shot down D-day +5 and linked up with some ground forces. His new job was to stand over trenches and slam fire his gun "until everything stopped moving".
@@OkOk-fj5qb Trenches are present in all modern wars to varying degrees, but the continuous, seriously developed trenches that have multiple layers and stretch for hundreds of miles was a WW1 feature. When mobile warfare and combined arms became more prevalent it just stopped being feasible or economical to invest that much into such intricate static structures that would be overrun or destroyed. But of course trenches were still being used everywhere in WW2 and the Korean War, and the Iran-Iraq and Ethiopian-Eritrean War in the 80s and 90s are notably famous for their extensive trench warfare due to the lack of combined arms. The war in Donbass is probably the most modern example where both the Ukrainians and the Russian separatists have constructed quite massive fortifications and trenches due to the sporadic fighting (well, up until current events).
@@Coinz8In terms of bullet caliber, a lot of militaries have their standard issue sidearm using a smaller bullet than the 1911, and a Winchester 1897 can do things that no modern shotgun can, If you took out the existing mag tube and put one in that could hold eight or 12 shells then that shotgun would be dramatically superior to anything you can get today
@@vrrooooommmm123 gas and fire wasnt meant to kill , the purpose was the bring them out of their cover and trenches(a fear weapon). but shotguns were the definition of slaughtering.
I always thought it was pretty damn funny that the Germans would complain about shotguns while also fielding fucking flammenwurfer troops who burnt people alive for the hell of it
Flamethrowers were seen as largely ineffective; they were big, heavy, took a lot of time to set up and those who carried it were walking bombs, they looked scary but that's about it. Same with mustard gas, the first time it was encountered, it was scary and effective but the opposing side quickly found ways to either mask up against it or see it coming a mile away and move out of the way. I think they could tell from the fact that all the flies or mosquitoes or some birds would seem to "migrate" suddenly, they realize they were escaping the mustard gas and moved with them. Shotguns were incredibly effective and didn't have the shortcomings as the flamethrower and mustard gas had.
@Lymbic flamethrowers were incredibly effective when used as intended, clearing occupied enclosed spaces (bunkers) and removing fields of vegetation concealing low lying enemies. Mustard gas was also highly effective and easy to use, as it also severely burnt skin. There are accounts of guys literally tearing their own genitals off in a panic from contact with mustard gas.
I remember vividly the first time played BF1 (my first bf game as well) and there was so much chaos i couldn't comprehend what was going on. Artillery strikes, granades, molotovs, smokes, bullets flying everywhere, low visibility, mustard gas, loud gunshots, screams, whistles. Pure chaos and in the midst of it all I got killed like 20 times before I took the shotgun and went in to trenches. Finished the match with 50/23 score and god do I miss the BF1, I need to buy it and play it again (i played in the internet cafe with friends that time) 😂
War was still thought of almost as a sport at the outset of WW1, to be fair. Ze Germans were doing the equivalent of a soccer player doubling over crying for the ref, rather than making an honest complaint.
The goal in war is not necessarily to kill the oppenent but to make him unable to keep on fighting. In fact a wounded opponent is better than a dead one, because in the time they are busy rescuing him, they do not shoot at you. On top of that the Hague convention bans weapons that cause unnecessary harm. That and a better effect on hard targets is the reason militaries use full metal jackets in their small arms and not buckshot. And if that doesn't convince you, you probably can not hope to be taken prisoner if the Germans catch you with a shotgun (Not by order - That was while threatened to the US never given, but by vigilantism). The stances of both Germany and the US however did not change. The US is still sporting some and Germany, while having some in their military only allows them for door breeching.
Yeah. Shotguns = killing animals or guarding prisoners. Hence full metal jacket is "within the rules" cuz a wounded soldiers stretching your logistics/infrastructure thin, medics, medical supplies to care for the WIA, beds for injured troops. Shotgun just kills, no strain on the other resources, 'cept ammo and body bags, like the enemy is a deer or some other beast you hunt and kill w/o wounding.
Its not just the rescue part. They are still alive and will need to be taken care of. Wounded soldiers need care, which is resources being taken away. So tons of wounded soldiers vs bunch of dead ones will cost so much more in resources, plus spreading fear when wounded soldiers talk about there experiences. But you are right, far better to wound the enemy and make them unable to fight then to kill them.
@@armourggeddon they speak the truth, it's actually far more advantageous to mutilate an enemy's soldier then to kill them. A dead soldier weight is tags, a wounded one requires a timely evacuation. This is why non Leathal weapons that do permanent damage are illegal to use war, ie. blinding weapons which could render a large number of soldiers incapacitated in a few seconds.
Man could you imagine....a rancher/farmer/hell just a good ole boy from the USA getting to the western front and they hand him a pump action shotgun and a box of shells.....the YEE HAW herd round the world
Imagine being a German soldier in a trench, and then some 19yo American trooper jumps in with a war crime stick and bulldozes your comrades *WHEN JOHNNY COMES MARCHING HOME INCREASES IN VOLUME*
I remember becoming the enemy teams boogie man in the forest map with a bridge and stuff, they referred to me as the Buckshot Hunter because i used the M97 Trenchgun Hunter Variant. They focused on the frontline, while i snuck by and took them down one by one. They didn't even stick together in groups to prevent this for atleast three rounds.
Battle field 1 is in a category of its own. I was that guy that would wait 5 minutes for an airplane to spawn and would drop bombs on peoples spawn and would play for hours
The 1897 Trench Guns were also given to soldiers who were skilled in skeet/trap shooting to shoot enemy grenades mid throw. No idea on how successful that was though
That's actually pretty good! Grenade coming at you, would you take a 50% chance that it doesn't make it? Yeah, seeing it in the first place is the hard part!
The iron sights only sniper mode is still in the game. It’s quite fun. I forgot the name of it, I think it was “back to basics” or something. But every class could use iron sight sniper rifles in that mode, which was accurate, since most of WW1 was fought with bolt action rifles.
One of my favorite memories in Battlefield 1 was me trying to rally my squad with the whistle. There was so much machine gun fire you couldn't hear anything else. My whistle barely came through over the top of the noise on my own headset. Then, I got sniped while I tried to sound off the third time. This shit was just cool.
my first firearm was a first year solid frame Winchester 1897, with a full taper choke bore. was an amazing firearm, and I loved being able to slamfire it. really made me feel like some doughboy in 1918 running through the trenches sweeping away the germans.
Some armchair historian help me out here. Why didn’t the Germans just bring out their own shotguns? Certainly they had heard of and had shotguns. Edit: Never mind, I looked it up myself. The traditional pump action trench shotgun was developed by the US during World War I whereas before that it was simply “buck and ball “or break barrel.
Development aside, they tried to get the use of shotguns in war banned as a war crime. Issuing them to their own troops would have made those requests seem somewhat ridiculous.
The pump action shotgun design is a bit older than that, created about twenty years or so before the start of WW1. The truth is the shotguns weren't all that common in the trenches and the Germans only complained because they wanted to deflect from the fact that they were using chemical warfare.
That is a Winchester 1897, WWI started in 1914, the US got involved in 1917. Pump action shotguns had been used in the Philippines, Mexico, and possibly Cuba, but don't quote me on that, well before they were used on the Western Front.
@@nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526 To the point that they did issue some shotguns in WWII but strictly as survival/hunting weapons, not intended for use against combatants
Yes they were called trench sweeps because it was very easy to maneuver within the trenches with the shotgun making it a very deadly weapon and very effective at clearing out the trenches. Another reason they hated the shotguns was because during World War I and I believe World War II the German grenades were built so sturdily that when they were thrown into the allied trenches soldiers from the Midwest who were accustomed to shooting wild game such as pheasants and pigeons would shoot the grenades mid air and they would fly back into enemy territory and then detonate. It caused so many casualties on the German side that the German military put out statements saying that any combatant found carrying even the ammunition of a shotgun would not be held as prisoners of war but rather executed immediately. These threats never really paid out for the Germans as no records show of any shotgunners being captured during the conflicts.
Couldn't capture them with shotguns because to do that, they would have to get closer, where they least wanted to be if someone was armed with a shotgun. I imagine if they did get that close, they wouldn't be for long
I’m calling BS on the grenade feat. C&Rsenal showed just how difficult even hitting a stick grenade was when using an authentic WWI-era Model 10 with buckshot (which is what they would’ve been using as opposed to the birdshot they would’ve used for fowl) and Mae knew the grenade was coming. The times she did hit it, she only stopped its momentum. Not once did start flying in a different direction. Trench guns in general also had quite a few reliability issues due to the paper cartridges troops were being issued and very little if any brass cased shells made it to the front by war’s end. Some troops apparently remedied this by either trading their paper shells for brass with locals or coating their paper shells with candle wax. To top it all off, from what I’m seeing, less than 23, 000 trench guns (3,500 Model 10’s and a little over 19,000 Model 1897’s) were issued to a military that totaled approximately 4.7 million by war’s end, with a number of the guns being used for guard duty. The gun protest was a German political move like how they made propaganda footage using the Lee Enfield’s magazine cutoff to make dumdum rounds.
Who would win? A highly trained army, powerful enough to be winning a two front war against the greatest armies in europe? or 300,000 yehaw boys with 12 gauges?
That depends on your scenario is the 300,000 turning up years late after the highly trained army has wiped out its original troops decimated its economy and supplies?
were it not for the american reinforcements showing up, the allies likely would have sued for some form of peace. The Americans provided enough relief to successfully push the germans back into germany and end the war.
Not to mention “years late” is a little but of a misrepresentation, when it was a European conflict that only involved Europe and its possessions. Americans wanted to stay out of the war, and who could blame them. But when they were dragged in by the sinking of the lusitania and the zimmerman telegraph, they certainly helped finish it.
Imagine being a German winning most the battles and then all of a sudden 300,000 new soldiers all named John Smith armed with shotguns show up
300,000 slide-canceling* soldiers.
Which would probably be quite intimidating IRL
@@Kravis63 you do realize that this is ww1
@@spencerhopkinson9874 alternate history ww1
@@spencerhopkinson9874 seeing as I don’t have ADD and can’t stand shooters that move at unbelievably unrealistic speeds it’s hard to tell
@@codymartin3284 Side-Cancelling?
Shotgunners would rapidly clear German trenches and this tactic was so effective that Model 97s picked up the nicknames “trench brooms” and “trench sweepers”.
X to doubt.
C&Rsneal have an entire breakdown on the actual deployment of the 1897, and almost none of them saw frontline service.
Lol wasn't it called Trench Gun?
I actually do remember hearing something like that but you got to keep in mind not a lot of them were made because it was technically unfair
@@followerofjesustilltheend8315 they still continued to use it, even after Germany threatened to execute any US troops found with shotgun shells
Fun fact: as I don’t remember the shotguns name, the trench gun was controversial not because of what it did to someone, but rather because of how fast it could be fired. By holding down the trigger, the gun could be shot simply by pumping it, allowing soldiers to clear trenches in seconds
The gun holds 5 rounds max it wouldnt take long period to empty it.
@@thechickenfriedredneck910 At the time there wasn’t many fast firing weapons that were very mobile, most being bolt action. Revolvers and repeating rifles are the speedy weapons that come to mind but they aren’t very effective in trench warfare
@@dead_webm I'm not saying it was ineffective, Im just saying slam fire wastes a lot of shells. Also those shotguns load one shell at a time, so reloads arent as quick as changing the magazine in your 1911 or putting a clip in your 1903 springfield.
@dead_webm The Winchester Models were the 1897 and 1912. Various Remington models during WW1 also caught massive flak by the German army.
@@thechickenfriedredneck910 Watch some shotgun action at IPSC competitions. They can reload pretty fast, and only take 1 shell at a time. A little bit of practice and you can triple or quadruple your loading speed if you just learn the right techniques and practice them a bit. Of course the guys at WW1 and WW2 had no idea about such techniques.
God I love this series. So cinematic. Doesn't feel like an online shooter, it feels like a dynamic single player experience.
All that ended at BF1. It's an utter shit series now. I was such a huge fan too 😔...
@@josephmoore9706yeah it’s quite sad, bf2042 has potential but first they need to fix the damn destruction
@@Aaronxxithe entire game is just missing that “gritty” feeling previous BF game had, BF1 was probably the last best example since BFV was kind of like a WW2 DLC - BF2042 on the other hand just feels artificial.
@@GuevaraGGMy Brother and I were watching old, old video of BF 3 (even back to the Open Beta) - and also reminiscing about BF 2 as well. Those games were legitimately insane. The intensity, the sense of calm in the midst of total insanity when you're playing _extremely_ well, the sheer gravity of everything going on around you, and realizing that literally everyone else in the game fighting around you was another person. It was just incomparable. BF 1 was the last truly great Battlefield game, and it really shows with how hard DICE went in on it being immersive.
I gotta play this game
Out of all battlefields, battlefield 1 had the most intense fighting. I remember playing multiplayer for the first time and I saw bombs dropping, tanks blasting, bullets flying by. Made you feel like you were really part of the battle. This is how a battlefield game should make all players feel. The immersion in battlefield 1 is incomparable.
agree 100%, what a shame how a series went from the epic BF1 to frickin BF20-42 FPS, it hurts so much. What a disgrace this game is compared to this 2016 masterpiece. What a downgrade...
Man that’s the first one I’ve ever played and have been disappointed ever since…
@@w33dwalker What about BFV?
i completely agree. BF3 and BC2 were really well made and a lot of good fun, but BF1 really went above and beyond.
Do people still play it? Cuz if so I may have to hop back on
As they say: pistols blow holes in people, rifles blow holes through people, and shotguns blow chunks off of people.
"Shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit from your opponent, and you will need to hire someone to come shovel that shit up"
@@donesixfour Clint Smith truly is a jem
Apart from that isn't how shotguns are supposed to work. What a shotgun shell actually does is to throw out a lot of small balls. People do not die from the balls as they mostly get stuck in the skin and do not penetrate very deep. Shotgun shells kill through the shock when those balls hit the body. It will cause vibration that travels right into the body which causes a disruption in the body, which causes organs to fail. The same kind of effect why explosives in water is lethal. If you actually want a shotgun shell to penetrate the target you are going to have to use a slug or sabot shell so it become more like a normal rifle round.
It is also not very likely that a shotgun shell can blow of limbs and stuff. You require to be rather thin, small or hit a peice of someones body at an angle to allow the balls to actually blow off chunks. If you are right at the breach, maybe you can blow off chuncks. If you shoot people at range with a shotgun and a normal shell. You are not going to blow of chunks as that isn't how the shells work.
@@Cloud_Seeker bro, at short range those balls are still in a tight spread, a wall of lead. You can literally take an arm off, or a "chunk" of body. The use of chokes and longer barrels increase the spread range. While at decent distances it will definitely not penetrate fully, you'd be left with a dangling arm at best close range
“Hell hath no fury like the ass kicked liberal! We just need to beat the shit out of them and they’ll all get a gun!” Lol
I remember a time when a guy playing for germans in my game started fuming over how shotguns have to be banned on the server because they're unfair.
History really does repeat itself.
Eh, better like that than actual trench warfare.
And he was playing from Germany. hahahaha
Germany: Imagine using shotguns.
America: Imagine using gasses and flamethrowers.
Flame thrower.
Another feature the Germans hated about this weapon was the lack of a safety disconnect in the Model 1897, which is a feature used in almost all modern shotguns that require you to squeeze the trigger after pumping the shotgun.... without it, you can just hold the trigger and just pump the shotgun to fire it, one skilled enough could empty the weapon in seconds. This technique was called slam firing, and it was extremely effective in the trenches of WW1.
That sounds awesome
@@aczeartk7032 I know someone who has slam fired one of these things, they have video of it too. About 4 shots off in a second
Slam fire shotgun given to a 19yo who hasn't seen a woman in months... genius.
@@71723 this is why I read the comment section 🤣🤣🤣
@@71723 scared for his life too. Sexually frustrated and scared soldier pump slamming, when he could be pump slamming some woman instead. Recipe for...disaster? Next just load him up on meth and boom.
I have this gun in real life. Its called the winchester model 1897 and mine was made in 1910. It still works perfectly.
No way for real? That's sick
Did u use it in trenches?
@@pieceofshitzu2 do i look 123 years old
Do you slamfire it?
@@friedrichjaeger367 yes, first thing i did when i got it
Just like in the movies, the reinforcements show up after the main character kills the bad guys
I miss this game, it was at it's peak when it first came out, kaiserschlat was always full and half the lobby would actually fight and not sit in a corner of the map and snipe
Fun fact in both WW1 & WW2 Germany tried to sue the US for using shotguns and wanted them banned, despite all that was happening in those wars. Shotguns terrified the Germans that much.
I wonder why Germany never developed any of their own?
They tried banning some shotguns because they were semi automatic, not all ahotguns
@@ASuspiciouslyCommunistToaster Nope tried banning all shotguns because they said the damage they caused was inhumane.
Germans also complained about the Lee Enfield,due to the size of the wounds they accused the British of using dum-dum bullets. They took photographs of the wounds as evidence. Some are in the imperial war museum in London.
Germany bitch about everything, I still remember that controversial World Cup game they had against Mexico in the 90’s I believe or early 2000’s.
Pretty ironic that the assault class being widely seen as the most annoying class in BF1 is technically accurate to WW1
Nah it’s the lmg snipers
@@Yourmom-oo1zr nah it’s the artillery truck campers
Not really smgs we’re never widely used in ww1
@@augustgade7084 Well yeah, but still
nothing in any battlefield game is accurate to even a small degree
Switching to your secondary is faster than reloading
Good shit
Always. That's why I got very very adept at using pistols. There's even been times I've mained pistols
This dude is an absolute beast with that shotty... well done bro!!! well done 👏👏
Love how the Germans were like, "Gas ok.👌 Shotgun bad." 😂
Kaiser shotgun mad 😂😂👌👌 IT MADE THEM MAD BROOO 🤣🤣
@@thegiantratthatmakesalloft9415 I felt what the germans felt in mw2 with the 1887 akimbo shotguns, that had the range of a sniper
They are just mad we can kill more quickly and efficiently with a heavy boomstick than they can with nerve agents.
Don't forget it was the Germans too that first used the Flamethrower
actually britain nd france used gas first
For context, the Germans loathed the shotgun so much (primarily for how terrifying the injuries it caused and just their psychological warfare value to boot) that German high command told Entente (British;French;American) equivalents that any soldier of their's found armed with a 'trench broom' (AKA Shotgun) would be executed without question.
Americans returned this saying any artillery or mortar crews found with chemical shells or flame troopers would be met with the same amount of extreme prejudice.
Neither side followed through on the threats on the broad scale far as I'm aware.
funny how there is rules for war
Executed? Lol its war. Their whole day is technically executing each other.
Funny how german americans love shotgun now
@@agentfernandez1473 Those rules limit the effects of war. Without them we could potentially destroy our entire planet.
@@gjaeigjiajeg Prisoners of War
Miss these glorious times of battlefield 1 this clip brought back so many nights of gaming with the boys
Look at the beauty of this game, the atmosphere was perfectly crafted by dice. I hope they get battlefield back on track to being a fun team based immersive experience
One thing to keep in mind, the shotgun shells then were made of paper. So slam firing one then was harder as well as reloading. Yet it was still one of the most deadly weapons on the field
They switched the paper ones out after deploying them because it was useless in the wet conditions
What's slam firing?
@@Serjo777 Hold trigger keep racking the slide and it will shoot until you are empty. Most modern pumps don't allow that.
They also had ..or switched to brass i think
@@sgtfoley2 Yes, its amazing on how quickly they were able to adapt and overcome challenges.
BF1 still looks damn good
Always has
@@FCol100 Agreed
ofc it came out it 2016... graphics haven't changed thaaat much in 6 years
@@Gentamoru But they have the potential to yet leading triple AAA game studios have been lacking. Its like they all signed a pact this year to produce shit games from now on. Honestly Im hoping GTA 6 can bring logic back to developers and revive the "competition" for better games overall. Back in 2016 we had the GTX 1080, arguably a game changing card. But in 2022, 6 years later, The 3090 is 40% faster than the GTX 1080 yet no game is taking advantage of its power. I dont feel like adding ray-tracing to existing games is good enough.
@@Covid-bv4hp If GTA 6 flops, the gaming industry is actually finished.
I loved the aesthetic of BF1, it made the fights feel a lot more fun. Seeing bombers and fighters dog fight was awesome, especially being one of the bomber's crew.
This was the best battlefield imo. Everything just seemed to work on this one. Playing in hardcore servers is rare but once you find one you’re in for a treat
the fact that they actually gave the shotgun a decent range in the game was cool. but if it was realistic the shotgun would still have some more range. but then you would have people screaming its an op and unfair weapon. so a totally realistic ww1 experiance.
lmao
Either way same result lol
So is this RUclipsr implying that shotguns are cool or shotguns are horrible? This video was confusing
@@londzale3163 Shotguns kick ass, morality be damned
Gotta live the shotguns in battlefiel 4!!
I love how the Geneva Convention was basically everyone sitting down and being like “wow, this stuff really messed a lot of people up during the war. Let’s not do that anymore.” Even when it comes down to man vs man, there are still rules and regulations to follow
And for some people it's called the Geneva suggestion
@@xMrjamjam
It's not that to you?
@@xMrjamjam "The Geneva Suggestion" 🤣
So dumb. Better to just not have war.
@@sirmount2636
What's it like having such a narrow view that war is an automatic bad thing we should never have?
This is awesome. I feel like you were listening to the Doom Eternal soundtrack and just owning
Great stuff 👏
Fun fact: The Germans actually tried to have the Trench Shotgun banned from warfare saying that it was too devastating and a horrific weapon. We all collectively told them to hold our buckshot.
Warcrimes only matter if you lose the war, and by golly did the US not lose.
@Stabswache You're wrong several times over. The shotgun was HIGHLY effective in the trench warfare of WWI and was a favorite amongst American grunt infantry. Although they stopped issuing them to soldiers after WWII, many grunts would bring their own shotguns from home all they way up until Vietnam. The Germans had multiple reasons to hate the shotgun, but what it all boils down to is that we used it effectively and they couldn't stand it.
Yeah no. The complaint was that shotguns were very unlikely to kill outright and mostly just maimed people. They were quite ineffective for myriad reasons
The US in turn started to manufacture more lmao
Germans: Hahaha, our enemies are coughing out their own lungs and maybe some other organs from our gas attack.
Americans: *use shotguns*
Germans: Oh no.
When EA and Dice put their heart in their games this is the beautiful masterpiece we get. Man I miss playing this. Absolutely loved this game. It was so dark and gritty. Also I noticed teams worked together more in this game than other ones I played. The franchise now is just awful in comparison to this. I really hope they can get BF back on track. I miss the days of QUALITY experience.
I mean, you can still play BF1.
@@BeeWaifu I think he means he wants Battlefield games that are made today to be made with the same passion as BF1
@@DraftTheHippies That makes sense then.
@@BeeWaifu you can if you have the servers available
Battlefield 1 and 5 are amazing games. Probably because there is more accuracy to them and they feel more authentic. We will not discuss 2042 though. 2042 was a dumpster fire.
You made a clean sweep with that trench broom.
My man cleaned house better than any carpet cleaner I ever hired.
Imagine being a soldier during the great war and seeing an enemy soldier rapidly approaching with a shotgun while crouch sliding, only to appear within the trenches in a matter of seconds and wiping down your entire platoon.
You mean: Seeing an enemy soldier rapidly rocking the slide on his shotgun to get that mushed paper cartridge out, while trying to stuff one or two fresh ones in at a time, to a maximum of five... and you shoot him with 10 rounds of 9mm over the mangeld bodies of two of your comrades?
The shotgun was more a weapon of psychological warfare than an actual thread. The very few casualties is cost were brutally disfigured. But you only had five rounds of paper cartridges, which mushed up quickly in the damp conditions of the trenches, and reloading is very slow.
An SMG was more effective. But less frightening.
@@jochenreichl796 No. I don't think I meant that.
@@jochenreichl796 Nobody is here for a history lesson my man. People just want to watch a cool moment from a cool game. Chill
@@jochenreichl796 Didn't they switch to brass shells because of this issue?
@@proxy9573 yes, but it didn't help much. Troops that were issued them still hated them.
Germans: omg shotguns are inhumane, Americans need to stop using them immediately 😠
Also Germans: let’s use flamethrowers and invent and use mustard gas 🤪
Flamethrowers were mostly used on wooden structures and they didn't start chemical warfare.
@@FreakingSpies not yet. Just wait about another 20 years…
@@TheUncivilizedNation W-what?
@@FreakingSpies WW2. I can’t predict the future. But I hope it doesn’t happen. And if it does I don’t want it pointed at us…
well, did u forget vietnam?
or are american warcrimes not counting?
Good job on the video keep up the good work nice job 👍 😊
Bro just single handedly opened the way for the team A++ for the broom stick
Germany: "Shotguns are bad!"
Also Germany:
**Uses Gas And Flame Weaponry**
wow bro put that on reddit i dont think anyone has ever thought of that before!!!!!
Yeah I know, it's unoriginal but I didn't see it commented anywhere here
*Flamethrower being used on mostly wooden structures that blocked the way and France and Russia being the first to use chemical weaponry*
@@FreakingSpies That's not the point.
@@PhoenixAttact Then tell me what's the point?
My grandfather had a Winchester 1897 in WW2 as his "in case I get shot down" weapon in his P-51.
Lo and behold he was shot down D-day +5 and linked up with some ground forces. His new job was to stand over trenches and slam fire his gun "until everything stopped moving".
I though the trenches only existed in the First World War, guess not.
@@OkOk-fj5qb Trenches are present in all modern wars to varying degrees, but the continuous, seriously developed trenches that have multiple layers and stretch for hundreds of miles was a WW1 feature. When mobile warfare and combined arms became more prevalent it just stopped being feasible or economical to invest that much into such intricate static structures that would be overrun or destroyed.
But of course trenches were still being used everywhere in WW2 and the Korean War, and the Iran-Iraq and Ethiopian-Eritrean War in the 80s and 90s are notably famous for their extensive trench warfare due to the lack of combined arms. The war in Donbass is probably the most modern example where both the Ukrainians and the Russian separatists have constructed quite massive fortifications and trenches due to the sporadic fighting (well, up until current events).
@@OkOk-fj5qb Now you know.
@@OkOk-fj5qb Most notable in the first WW*
Not a lot of room in a 51 cockpit. Sounds a bit dubious.
The trench clearer at work, lovely
It’s a close to medium range weapon with variable lethality rounds. So it’s got it’s uses. Perfectly used in that trench!
Go hard mode and use the double barrel like a real man
3rd most used weapon 820 kills with it.
@@FCol100 Yeah I loved sniping in this game so much, but would always swap to the db to mix it up a bit, no in-between lol
@@andrewhallard537 I'm aggressive overall, so I use anything that eliminates quickly
@@FCol100 not me lol, ide sit behind cover with the parascope and get top of the board just by spotting lol
@@andrewhallard537 someone's gotta give out enemy positions, and someone's gotta take em out
1897 and 1911, thats a combo you could take to battlefield even today and still kick ass.
yeah, no.
@@Coinz8 oh yeah yeah
@@Coinz8In terms of bullet caliber, a lot of militaries have their standard issue sidearm using a smaller bullet than the 1911, and a Winchester 1897 can do things that no modern shotgun can, If you took out the existing mag tube and put one in that could hold eight or 12 shells then that shotgun would be dramatically superior to anything you can get today
Best Christmas ever of 2016 with this game
I miss playing like this! I used to get 40+ kills a match ranking 1st or 2nd every time haha. The shotgun was a monster even after they nerfed it.
Germans: Nein, these weapons are inhumane and cruel!
Americans: Haha shotgun go BOOM
Germans calling a shotgun cruel but them using mustard gas and chlorine gas is totally fine 💀
@@vrrooooommmm123 all used Gas.
Just the americans used shotguns.
So yeah it was inhumane
@@basedchad6035 how is using a gun in war inhuman. It's not like nerve gas or anything.
@@basedchad6035 that makes zero sense
@@vrrooooommmm123 gas and fire wasnt meant to kill , the purpose was the bring them out of their cover and trenches(a fear weapon). but shotguns were the definition of slaughtering.
I always thought it was pretty damn funny that the Germans would complain about shotguns while also fielding fucking flammenwurfer troops who burnt people alive for the hell of it
Flamethrowers were seen as largely ineffective; they were big, heavy, took a lot of time to set up and those who carried it were walking bombs, they looked scary but that's about it. Same with mustard gas, the first time it was encountered, it was scary and effective but the opposing side quickly found ways to either mask up against it or see it coming a mile away and move out of the way. I think they could tell from the fact that all the flies or mosquitoes or some birds would seem to "migrate" suddenly, they realize they were escaping the mustard gas and moved with them. Shotguns were incredibly effective and didn't have the shortcomings as the flamethrower and mustard gas had.
@@lotanowo Flamethrowers and poison gas were also meant (in theory) to scare soldiers out of trenches and not actually kill them.
@@capncake8837 flush em out of cover so you can shoot em instead
@Lymbic flamethrowers were incredibly effective when used as intended, clearing occupied enclosed spaces (bunkers) and removing fields of vegetation concealing low lying enemies. Mustard gas was also highly effective and easy to use, as it also severely burnt skin. There are accounts of guys literally tearing their own genitals off in a panic from contact with mustard gas.
@@nexusone5584 goddamn!
Ahh the Winchester Model 97. Id like a recommended modern one. It would serve as a fine addition to my collection
I remember vividly the first time played BF1 (my first bf game as well) and there was so much chaos i couldn't comprehend what was going on. Artillery strikes, granades, molotovs, smokes, bullets flying everywhere, low visibility, mustard gas, loud gunshots, screams, whistles. Pure chaos and in the midst of it all I got killed like 20 times before I took the shotgun and went in to trenches. Finished the match with 50/23 score and god do I miss the BF1, I need to buy it and play it again (i played in the internet cafe with friends that time) 😂
Germany: pioneers the use of poison gas and flamethrowers in warfare and use with regularity
Also Germany: *NEIN SHOTGUNS IST INHUMANE!*
War was still thought of almost as a sport at the outset of WW1, to be fair. Ze Germans were doing the equivalent of a soccer player doubling over crying for the ref, rather than making an honest complaint.
france used gas first one of the fun facts of bf1
@@bluebadboy1871 France used tear gas, get it right. Germany was the first to use poison gas.
@@markoliver314 still both sides used poison gas afterwards
@@bluebadboy1871 yea but it was Germany that used poison gas first.
Everything within 10 feet of that barrell just becomes red jelly
homie just cleared that whole trench out
The ol' Trench Broom. Sweeping up Deutschlanders one pump at a time.
Germany: _goes through intensive studies to develop the earliest submachine guns specifically for trench warfare_
US: haha shotgun go boooom
Billy Jonson whipping out a yeet stick and turning several braindead cabbages into finely minced sauerkraut. Excellent
Good pistol work also bro
Battlefield One looks like it could have been made by a smaller dev today. Also to answer your question, the algorithm has chosen you.
Because it is a good game?
Not really. the research, the weapons, the easter eggs, the story, the maps are a lot stuff to be made within 2 years
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no?
Define smaller
The goal in war is not necessarily to kill the oppenent but to make him unable to keep on fighting. In fact a wounded opponent is better than a dead one, because in the time they are busy rescuing him, they do not shoot at you. On top of that the Hague convention bans weapons that cause unnecessary harm. That and a better effect on hard targets is the reason militaries use full metal jackets in their small arms and not buckshot.
And if that doesn't convince you, you probably can not hope to be taken prisoner if the Germans catch you with a shotgun (Not by order - That was while threatened to the US never given, but by vigilantism).
The stances of both Germany and the US however did not change. The US is still sporting some and Germany, while having some in their military only allows them for door breeching.
Yeah. Shotguns = killing animals or guarding prisoners. Hence full metal jacket is "within the rules" cuz a wounded soldiers stretching your logistics/infrastructure thin, medics, medical supplies to care for the WIA, beds for injured troops.
Shotgun just kills, no strain on the other resources, 'cept ammo and body bags, like the enemy is a deer or some other beast you hunt and kill w/o wounding.
Wtf are you even saying
Its not just the rescue part. They are still alive and will need to be taken care of. Wounded soldiers need care, which is resources being taken away. So tons of wounded soldiers vs bunch of dead ones will cost so much more in resources, plus spreading fear when wounded soldiers talk about there experiences. But you are right, far better to wound the enemy and make them unable to fight then to kill them.
@@armourggeddon they speak the truth, it's actually far more advantageous to mutilate an enemy's soldier then to kill them. A dead soldier weight is tags, a wounded one requires a timely evacuation.
This is why non Leathal weapons that do permanent damage are illegal to use war, ie. blinding weapons which could render a large number of soldiers incapacitated in a few seconds.
@@armourggeddon if I name the weapon I refer to my post gets deleted automatically
That good ole fashion buckshot did wonders in the trench’s
He really said “coming through you’re dead”
Man could you imagine....a rancher/farmer/hell just a good ole boy from the USA getting to the western front and they hand him a pump action shotgun and a box of shells.....the YEE HAW herd round the world
Imagine being a German soldier in a trench, and then some 19yo American trooper jumps in with a war crime stick and bulldozes your comrades
*WHEN JOHNNY COMES MARCHING HOME INCREASES IN VOLUME*
More like *YANKEE FUCKING DOODLE INTENSIFIES*
It's only a warcrime if you lose the war
16 year old lying about their age on the application*
:Freebird starts playing:
I remember becoming the enemy teams boogie man in the forest map with a bridge and stuff, they referred to me as the Buckshot Hunter because i used the M97 Trenchgun Hunter Variant. They focused on the frontline, while i snuck by and took them down one by one. They didn't even stick together in groups to prevent this for atleast three rounds.
Nice transition
I played some very intense 999-1000 matches. Loved this game, this squad leader was on point here. Even spotting out as he killed, love it
As a Dutchman (from Germanic decent), I can confirm that shotguns are hated.
well yeah all ethnic dutch people are of germanic descent
@@wulfheort8021 somebody who knows his history👍🇳🇱🇩🇪🌏
@@nickkuiper32 it looked like you said it in a way that there are also non-germanic dutchmen, which of course there arent
@@wulfheort8021 no, that was part of the bad joke. (I really hate shotguns though)
@@nickkuiper32 ah alright, well yeah i'd say i hate or dont hate it depending on the direction of the barrel, if you know what i mean
For a sec you can feel the intensity of the situation
Gotta love the trench sweeper
Love the moments were it feels like you just single handedly won the war then your team shows up and carry’s on
Filipinos did this to the Japanese during WW2, and it worked pretty well. Also worked well in Vietnam on both sides. Still a very relevant tactic.
We used shottys in Manila during WW2?
@@woodonfire7406 Filipinos did. I’m sure we did too, but Filipinos did the whole war
Filipino ur mom
@@woodonfire7406 ur mom shawty
@@woodonfire7406 any country that the US touched would have M16s,Trench Guns and M3 Grease Gun
Even after all this time BF1 background sounds hit Different, near non stop firing of rounds and in the mix a few Bombs going off.
Battle field 1 is in a category of its own. I was that guy that would wait 5 minutes for an airplane to spawn and would drop bombs on peoples spawn and would play for hours
For every kill I can see Dunkey non-chalantly saying "black ops".
Personally I hate the sliding mechanic more, it's dumb that almost every shooter has adopted it rather than evasive rolls or dives.
Right. The only game I can think of is Black ops 2 that does a dive
dives would be cool, but rolls definitely would disorient the player
I agree somewhat. immersion, to me, is more important in bf5 than in almost any other shooter.
@@moomoo1984 Gotta be third person like Gears or Rogue Company
@@2TrainWakefield In Halo Reach they didn't change the camera view when you rolled so you don't get disoriented.
Winchester guns are a masterpiece, any game I’ve played I’ve loved using them. Would love to try one irl on a shooting range.
Bro cleared the whole trench 💀
The 1897 Trench Guns were also given to soldiers who were skilled in skeet/trap shooting to shoot enemy grenades mid throw. No idea on how successful that was though
If C&Rsenal’s test is any indication, probably not very. 50% hit rate when the shooter knew the grenade coming.
That's actually pretty good!
Grenade coming at you, would you take a 50% chance that it doesn't make it?
Yeah, seeing it in the first place is the hard part!
The open beta to this game was alot of fun. I loved sniping with a bolt action with iron sights in the beta.
The iron sights only sniper mode is still in the game. It’s quite fun. I forgot the name of it, I think it was “back to basics” or something. But every class could use iron sight sniper rifles in that mode, which was accurate, since most of WW1 was fought with bolt action rifles.
dude straight up cracked
*holds up a shotgun shell* we call this TRENCH DETERGENT
Somehow they took an era that weren’t talked about much in comparison to other eras, and reimagined it into one of the most immersive experiences.
Yes. They also hated it when the enemy slid across the ground like they were hovering before firing their magic weapons.
was a sweet game. Enjoyed it, i remember shelving cod for BF1
Watch this guy called the fay electrician. Former military dude talking about the model 97 in an awesome way. Funny as hell
One of my favorite memories in Battlefield 1 was me trying to rally my squad with the whistle. There was so much machine gun fire you couldn't hear anything else. My whistle barely came through over the top of the noise on my own headset. Then, I got sniped while I tried to sound off the third time.
This shit was just cool.
my first firearm was a first year solid frame Winchester 1897, with a full taper choke bore. was an amazing firearm, and I loved being able to slamfire it. really made me feel like some doughboy in 1918 running through the trenches sweeping away the germans.
For a split second i heard the I standing here as i realized it's just like me music
My man carried the team and cleared the other side so they could get through he’s a war hero 😂
kudos for using the trench shotgun in a trench as intended
I mean, it's called a "Trench Gun" for a reason.
Ein verletzer! alarm! ala*gets shot by shotgun*
Geez, using the M12 Shotgun in MOH Airborne is so fun.
Absolutely love my 1897. Something about that lever gun resemblance that turns heads every time I take it to the range.
Some armchair historian help me out here. Why didn’t the Germans just bring out their own shotguns? Certainly they had heard of and had shotguns.
Edit: Never mind, I looked it up myself. The traditional pump action trench shotgun was developed by the US during World War I whereas before that it was simply “buck and ball “or break barrel.
Because they cannot.
Issuing shotguns might only put a strain on their logistics.
Development aside, they tried to get the use of shotguns in war banned as a war crime. Issuing them to their own troops would have made those requests seem somewhat ridiculous.
The pump action shotgun design is a bit older than that, created about twenty years or so before the start of WW1. The truth is the shotguns weren't all that common in the trenches and the Germans only complained because they wanted to deflect from the fact that they were using chemical warfare.
That is a Winchester 1897, WWI started in 1914, the US got involved in 1917. Pump action shotguns had been used in the Philippines, Mexico, and possibly Cuba, but don't quote me on that, well before they were used on the Western Front.
@@nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526 To the point that they did issue some shotguns in WWII but strictly as survival/hunting weapons, not intended for use against combatants
**commits multiple war crimes** Germany: oopsie daisy
**American uses shotgun** Germany: NOOOOO
*In rolls the Churchill Crocodile*
Wheraboos intensely sweat.
Yes they were called trench sweeps because it was very easy to maneuver within the trenches with the shotgun making it a very deadly weapon and very effective at clearing out the trenches.
Another reason they hated the shotguns was because during World War I and I believe World War II the German grenades were built so sturdily that when they were thrown into the allied trenches soldiers from the Midwest who were accustomed to shooting wild game such as pheasants and pigeons would shoot the grenades mid air and they would fly back into enemy territory and then detonate.
It caused so many casualties on the German side that the German military put out statements saying that any combatant found carrying even the ammunition of a shotgun would not be held as prisoners of war but rather executed immediately. These threats never really paid out for the Germans as no records show of any shotgunners being captured during the conflicts.
Couldn't capture them with shotguns because to do that, they would have to get closer, where they least wanted to be if someone was armed with a shotgun. I imagine if they did get that close, they wouldn't be for long
I’m calling BS on the grenade feat. C&Rsenal showed just how difficult even hitting a stick grenade was when using an authentic WWI-era Model 10 with buckshot (which is what they would’ve been using as opposed to the birdshot they would’ve used for fowl) and Mae knew the grenade was coming. The times she did hit it, she only stopped its momentum. Not once did start flying in a different direction.
Trench guns in general also had quite a few reliability issues due to the paper cartridges troops were being issued and very little if any brass cased shells made it to the front by war’s end. Some troops apparently remedied this by either trading their paper shells for brass with locals or coating their paper shells with candle wax.
To top it all off, from what I’m seeing, less than 23, 000 trench guns (3,500 Model 10’s and a little over 19,000 Model 1897’s) were issued to a military that totaled approximately 4.7 million by war’s end, with a number of the guns being used for guard duty. The gun protest was a German political move like how they made propaganda footage using the Lee Enfield’s magazine cutoff to make dumdum rounds.
Who would win? A highly trained army, powerful enough to be winning a two front war against the greatest armies in europe? or 300,000 yehaw boys with 12 gauges?
That depends on your scenario is the 300,000 turning up years late after the highly trained army has wiped out its original troops decimated its economy and supplies?
were it not for the american reinforcements showing up, the allies likely would have sued for some form of peace. The Americans provided enough relief to successfully push the germans back into germany and end the war.
Not to mention “years late” is a little but of a misrepresentation, when it was a European conflict that only involved Europe and its possessions. Americans wanted to stay out of the war, and who could blame them. But when they were dragged in by the sinking of the lusitania and the zimmerman telegraph, they certainly helped finish it.
THE TRENCH SWEEPER
i can imagine first guy that got shotgun in a trench sped run that trench so fast, germans were like "totally unacceptable"
I remember going 64-14 on Argonne forest with that shotgun, what good times.