A gruesome discovery from Hangman Hill 💀
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- Опубликовано: 10 мар 2023
- Another day and more epic finds once I cut my way through all of the junk!!
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Hello from a retired Excise man, later re-educated into a VATman, but we won't talk about that. Each time there was a change of Monarch, weights and measures were stamped with the current monarch's mark as and when they were tested by my predecessors. As George IV and his brother William IV only ruled in their own names for 10 and 7 years respectively, it's less common to find their monograms impressed on measures. The number beneath the initials denotes the location ( Excise Office ) of the certification. The latest one on your jug seems to be Victoria, so it was lost after 1837. However, on 1 Jan 1891 the law changed and any pewter volume measures had to be re-stamped on the body of the vessel and not just the rim. As your measure doesn't have this, that sets the date by which time your jug had been lost. Yes, I am a bundle of laughs at parties. Peter
P.S. You are hands down the best UK detectorist show on the web.
I would say, in the world, because of his humility and knowledge. 👍😁
Yeah but Bill Ladd keeps saying he's the best.
Cleggy is very good too ... al little different but very good.
I do hope he never runs out of the fields of Perthshire. The Dutch Metal Detectorists ran out of bullets and helmets etc and were reduced to buttons. It was tragic. He is the best. I’m not sure why. It is his historical knowledge and amusing monologue but he has something special and undefinable (which I hope his metal detecting hating wife eventually comes to appreciate)
Cleggy digs massive 'oles
I learn more real history from a half hour of this channel a week than I did in my high school classes. Thanks! 💜
Ain't THAT the truth !!! Ha!
Hello, my Scottish Detectorist friend. It’s 9/15/2023 and your sub’s are at 33.2k…far beyond what you had anticipated. And your viewers keep growing by about 100 subs/week…that’s AWESOME. Many other detectorists, I can’t even watch or they bore me. Your gift of gab and your brilliant history lessons give you a definite edge. Blessings my friend.
I actually gasped when you uncovered the little jug. To quote the Scottish Detectorist: "What a beeyouty."
It was normal for spirit measures to be re certified by customs and excise over many decades. I think you have a wonderful item that was certified originally in Victoria’s reign judging by the larger stamp nearest the handle. It may also be earlier with the larger VR stamp just showing off. You should be able to trace each stamp to a particular excise agent. Brilliant find and onwards to 50,000 subscribers by the end of 2023.
Thank you for tell us about the history of this item!! It’s always AMAZING finds!! Take care
This was my suspicion as well-that measures must be recertified over time. The numbers might identify the agent, or maybe the time period?
Given the last measure......
You deserve the increase in popularity my friend for producing such great content. May your luck continue as the channel grows.
Can you post an update if you find out anymore about the jug.
The stamps around the rim of the measure are from the weights and measures men calling unannounced at a pub to make sure the landlord was not giving out sort measures to customers . Usually the stamp is a date and the monarch and would be repeated each time they tested it. Maybe Robbie himself stamped one of the assays!
Our very own Robert Burns was an Excise man / Gauger and the stamps as seen on your wee quart were part of there service to ensure the local Inn or public house was issuing the correct measures ! especially as taxes were involved personally it looks like yours has been used in the sale of alcohol for many a year going by the number of stamps ( all stamps were noted in the excise mans log and these would be checked off during one of their unannounced visits to ensure no short measures were being served up by the landlord ).
You are a sweetheart - you are in a win win position because of the interesting detecting stuff - the history that you provide for all of us - you are one of the best You Tube presenters at what you do. I really enjoy watching and thank you! I thought that little jug would be a measure for whiskey - what a wonderful find! I also thought that little jug could be for the poor people that were hung - so interesting and also bless their souls.
Loving the lightbox at the end. That, I think was the one thing I found missing from you previous videos, the cleanup. Would love to see some of those previous silver Romans under in the lightbox! Or any new ones you unearth. Keep digging! 🙂
Oh, what a great idea, regarding the Roman coins!
I wonder how old cans will be considered by detectorists in a few hundred years. Today's trash, tomorrow's relics.
In Great Britain, the standard single measure of spirits in a pub was 1⁄6 gill (23.7 mL) in England, and 1⁄5 gill (28.4 mL) in Scotland, while the 1⁄4 gill (35.5 mL) was also a common measure in Scotland, and still remains as the standard measure in pubs in Ireland.
Absolutley fascinating finds! The 1/4 measure is downright superb. Congrats on your success. Thank you for the quality content.
Or 1/4 of 1/4 of a pint or 1 ounce or the measure of a standard shot. I don’t understand why this was this was complicated by doing a metric conversion first.
Never heard that story about Jack & Jill here in USA. The history & backstory you gave are just tremendous. Thanks very much.
My pleasure thanks Scott
I think this is one of the reasons your channel is growing so fast. You are keeping it real, and when you find something you are genuinly interested, studying the find and telling a story.
Brilliant John, without doubt my favourite RUclips Channel, I am in my 70’s though so a lot of coins you find I have actually spent 🙈
The 1/4 gill is what we call a Shot Glass here in the US. I wonder if all the stamps were “certification” stamps for taxing the liquor or something? It could be, if that is the case, that it was used across multiple monarchs. 🤷🏻♂️
They were formal confirmation that the measures being poured were of official standard volume. Serving from measures which did not bear official endorsement was illegal. Pouring the whisky into an unstamped (and therefore unofficial) measure might make your customers a little angry too. That is if you can understand that pub landlords would not be using larger than official measures to reduce their own profits.
Lovely nice finds (excepting foil and tin cans, 😂). Internet says 1/4 gill= 2 Tbsp for the US viewers
Great finds! That measure, a quarter Jill, would give you the right amount for a Dram of Whiskey; roughly 35 ml depending on age.
Apparently a Wee Dram would be 25ml, and a Large Dram would be 35ml, and could vary slightly depending on your location.
I've never commented before, so I'd just like to say thank you for sharing your adventures. I really enjoy your channel, your 20,000 subs are well deserved. I look forward to many more to come.
Thank you!
Always good to see a new video!
Many thanks glad you are enjoying the channel and I hope you enjoy the video!
love that jug, what an amazing find and so well preserved for a field find (how that has avoided the plow for this long I have no idea). the theory about it being involved with the 'last drop' rights for the hangings is fascinating. I agree that it looks Georgian, so you are probably right about it being re-stamped multiple times during the Victorian period
You enjoy forever! I tell everyone I know about your site. It's just damn fun!! Thank you! Hope you remember us when your famous!!
Oh and the bell looks like jingle bells on a horse for a sleigh ride??
Your absolutely right John, it's a spirit measure my parent's were licencees and I grew up in pubs in the 50s and 60s and, recognised instantly what it was. I hadn't see one for decades, a great find and a nice potential background story to go with it 're the last drop excellent stuff.
“And Jill came tumbling after”
Haven’t heard that in 60 years
Thank you so much for all your History info! Can’t wait for more!
Take care
Kathy
Many thanks Kathy and thanks for completing the rhyme
I had finish the thyme in my head. 😁
There's more again ... Up Jack got and home did trot as fast as he could caper, he went to bed and wrapped his head in vinegar and brown paper.
I only realized after this find and the history of it that jack and gill were both wasted..😊
@@Tbird-cr4ov lol lol 😂🤣😂🤣
Wow, what an amazing find in that quarter gill tankard. Just shows perseverence pays off. Nip = 1/4 gill (36ml). Introduced in the 14th century to measure whiskey or wine. ( the gill, or jill, was twice the size of a jack). King Charles 1st scaled down the "jack" or "jackpot", (sometimes called a double jigger) in 1625 to collect more taxes, hence, Jack came tumbling after.
Amen Frank. Sometimes you’ve gotta kiss a lot of frogs to find a princess or in this case dig a lot of cans!!
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls, for it tolls for you."
Cheers and congratulations on 20k!
Hi John, love the channel. The stamps on the pewter measure are when the vessel has been checked by weights and measures to make sure the publican /alcohol seller was not ripping off the public by selling short measures, apparently they used to just turn up and do checks on your measures and then give you a stamp to show all was legit, the number of stamps would suggest it had been checked a number of times by different weights and measures officers,apparently the publicans used to stick a couple of coins in the bottom so there would be less spirit held and therfore a short measure.
The bell should ring alot better once residual mud is removed!
Looking on the bright side, that’s 20 cans you won’t have to dig again! What an amazing find the little jug is, worth all your efforts.
The bubble ain't burst yet buddy. 20. 1 K.!! Well done to you. So many subs in such a short time.! Excellent. Bless up 👊
Still growing strong! Many thanks Nick!
20.2! 🎉
20.4! 🎉
As of April 27, 2023, the Page now says 20.3 subscribers. Odd... Can't believe that ANY people, once they _FOUND_ your Channel, would EVER leave! Must have been an error, somewhere, somehow ....
@@dixietenbroeck8717 24. 3 K at the moment. 👍👍
I'm sorry that your hunt was plagued with aluminum cans.....but, I'm SO GLAD you pushed thru it!! That pewter "measure" is one of the absolute coolest things I've ever seen dug!! I absolutely LOVE IT!! And another thing...I don't want you to stop talking! As cool as that find was....it wouldn't have been nearly as intersting without the great story to go with it!! ....Ooooo, spooky!! Lol😂
Great vid, today!! Thank you!!
Thanks for the kind words and I’m glad you enjoyed. A couple of great videos to come Sherrie 🤩
I don't know how I missed this one. Love your finds!
Many thanks Peggy…. New video coming in a few hours too!! Best wishes
Jill came tumbling after
So much history, Well done Sir. I being 64 years old and have done a fair share of detecting in and around Savannah Georgia where I live and around the world being a military brat, like Germany, Japan and a day in Canada, I have a very small collection of things. Would have had 2 WW2 German helmets many empty shell casing and one sword that was bronze but in 1975 the German costum official at Frankfort airport took them an I never saw them again. But it was fun holding them, I was told by a man in Germany that the sword was from the bronze age because of the markings on the blade but I was only 14 at the time using an old military metal detector my father gave me. But I really like how you explain what you find and I really pray you find you a ton of silver and gold soon..
The bell and the measure is better than any coins you don't find them everyday
I see the Perthshire dude, I hit watch and the like button!
Great video, as always, and wonderful finds! The stamps look like official recertification stamps required on a regular schedule by law. I once found an apothecary measuring cup that had 9 separate letter stamps indicating which years it had been recertified. Keep up the great videos and happy digging, Dave.
I did not know that about the Nursery rhyme!!! Every day is a school day when I watch your videos my friend. 👍👍😉 The light box is a nice touch and hopefully we can help with identifying stuff in the future. 20,200 subs as I watch this!!! Fantastic John.👏👏👏👏
As usual, you are a walking, talking history book of knowledge. Even on a quiet find day, you make it interesting.
Another lovely video, well done. The spirit measure is fab. An Edinburgh pub I frequented back in the day had a set of pewter measures behind the bar, though they were for display rather than measuring, I think they were Victorian, but they looked very similar to yours, so I knew what it was when you pulled it out of the earth. Congrats for reaching 20k subscribers!
gee what a find john
Damn, the crowds watching the hangings drank a lot of Pepsi! :D
They were the proud sponsors of many witch burnings also......
The Gill was a great find and I like the lightbox education!
a grommet.
I stumbled across this channel some weeks ago and I love the fact you give us all a history lesson ! It's lovely to not just look at the finds as what it's value might be, but I do love the knowledge of what age it possibly can be ! It's very refreshing ....keep it up ! It's good stuff and some lovely finds .
I'm kind of surprised that you do not unfold the lead scraps to check for Roman curses.
Hi John. I found your channel when searching metal detecting after very much enjoying "The detectorists" on TV. I've binge watched all your 2023 videos. Echoing everyone else, well done, and thank you. Your presentation is 1st class.
Much appreciated Claire.
I’m glad you’ve found me and are enjoying the channel. Thanks for the kind words and enjoy the beck catalogue!!
Real life metal detecting. Darn, love the measure. Seems very official. Thanks for a great video. Cheers
@The Scottish Detectorists Congratulations on 20,300 subscribers and Happy Birthday, I think the stamp are recertification stamps, when the pup would have paid their tax stamp or weights and measures tax there is a website that has all the various stamps and approx years used
Love the added info at the end! Great finds! 👍👍👍
and broke his crown and gill came tumbling after
Takes a junky day to appreciate the good ones. You still managed to entertain & educate. This is quickly becoming my favorite channel. Well done.
Great finds!!
Your croatal bell and 1/4 gill are better than any coins. Very rare and in great shape!!!
I think the bell seems more pressed than cast so possibly fairly "recent". That gill measure though......... 😳😎
Great finds. Love the light box. The card is very nice also, I think it's very classy. Thank you for letting us go along with you.
Addictive, love the enthusiasm. Many thanks for taking us along.
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed.
Thank you!!
Tin can alley. Love the spirits measure, great find.
John! The treasures you produce are staggering! Your vids are hands down the best on u-tube!!! You deserve it all! Congrats on the magnificent finds and another mind blowing hunt!!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍
That bell looks like what is used in Falconry.
Can't win em all John but you did manage some lovely bucket list finds and still managed to give us another fascinating history lesson on measure and measures of whiskey etc and the story of the last drink in the gallows always apleasyre to hear your knowledge of history thanks for sharing and keep up the hard work thoroughly deserved 20.5k as I watch this well done 👏🏻
That lillte measure is amazing & really like the light box at the end.
Mate that Quarter Gill jug was a belter! congratulation pal
Many thanks. A beauty of a find!! And I love the stamps
No danger of the bubble bursting, more subs = more views = greater interaction = recommended more by the algorithm - more subs, well that and the fact that you produce great content. Later crotal bell about 200 - 300 years old I reckon.
On the drink measure the 47 mark with the crown over it could be something to do with the 47th Regiment of foot (called the Lancashire Regiment but they were originally a Scots regiment raised in the mid 18th C.) or they could be assay marks from the weights and measures people, Georgian and Victorian ones.
I'm glad you don't hide your trash finds. Great video!
Well done once more John,you turn up a wide variety of finds pal ,can’t wait to see what comes next.
Great finds. I learn so much history for your videos, thanks.
What fabulous finds! Love the new round up at the end, great to see the items up close. Be interesting to know if you find out more about the gill measure. Worth digging all those cans up for!
I love the light box follow up at the end. I've wondered about things you've found and wished you had a recap like this.
Keep rambling young fella. We all enjoy the history lessons and being able to view the object at the same time, just make it so much better. All the little numbers and odd stamps on lip of the measuring cup, would be the different assayers view marks, as these official measures were govt property and had to be checked for accuracy at regular intervals. If the publican was caught using an unofficial, or untested measure, would mean loss of licence and large fine. I love your light box and card. Really makes the end of the video. 👏👏👏👏👏🥃🥃
Wooo! Great start to my Saturday with a video from my favorite detectorist. Grats on 20k!
Love the history lesson with everything. Unlike almost every detecting channel out there. Terragermania does a similar style. Keep up the good work sir! I'll be watching.
from someone who detects in Canada and Costa Rica primarily I have to say your channel has become my favourite. Absolutely delightful! And of course your historic finds are beyond anything I ever expect to find. Also, I see you have surpassed 20,000 subscribers...congrats!
Try the pewter society. As long as you are not selling it. They may help identify it for you. They also say that it may have multiple pewter maker initials. One who made it and one that sold it. An interesting bit on information on their site.
Good evening, my wife who is not that well now likes watching you unearthing items especially things like the small quarter gill measure that we saw you find today. As I'm almost eighty now I can tell you what the crown stamps around the rim are for as I can remember such procedures being carried out on various items when my parents had a village shop here in Kent in the early 1950's. These stamps are excise marks stamped by the inspecting officer who could turn up at any time and check that the measure was accurate and hadn't been interfered with in any way, as if anyone would ! Your little measure had quite a long life covering at least two monarchs, I still have our old bell weights that have impressions by the excise inspector from Victoria through to Elizabeth II. I expect someone else will also confirm the purpose of these marks.
Barrie & Lyn
Awesome wee find !!! 💙👊
Great Video . Crotal bell Me thinks. Love the Measure . Epic Artefacts .Well done John All the best Phil ☝20.1 K
Thank goodness you put a video up today…in the midst of a blizzard here in the tundra of northern MN. That little pitcher is truly an amazing find. One of our detectors here in the states did a full video on just the junk. You have to dig it to know. 😁
Pretty cool dude !
Many thanks Rex. Hope you enjoy
@@thescottishdetectorist
I love all your videos !
@@thescottishdetectorist
Come to Jamestown Rhode Island, Good detecting !
Great history !
Great Find with the Quarter Gill container. Love your History behind your finds so informative. Thanks Mate
6:08 a walking stick tip? 13:20 so many are found broken, or so smashed that the inner ringer is missing, You've a very nice find there.
An awesome hunt. Just like all of mine are but at least you can hunt Roman stuff and the George the third stuff is awesome too. A nice bell 🔔
The struggles are real in detecting and you showing the world that part of the struggle is awesome, because as you know one great find such as the mug makes digging all the rubbish with while. Thank you for such a realistic perspective of this wonderful hobby! And congrats on the Pewter 1/4Gill Mug.
Awesome finds again bud. At least every time you dig a tin or ally can it is one less. You are slowly clearing the field of trash, and getting some great finds amongst it. All the best John and HH.
20.1k subscribers!!!! Well done and well deserved!!!
As always entertaining and informative, I always learn something from your videos.
I just think your patience did pay off with those two brilliant finds! We’ll done and whatever you find your vids are the best entertainment on You tube! You’ll continue to get many more subscribers if you keep doing what your doing 👍
Keep up the good work, you deserve it,your channel is fantastic 👏
Great channel!!
Neat little find.
It’s about an ounce,to measure out alcohol or medication.
It’s called a loupe,
(or magnifying glass).
Pewter scratches easily,use a cloth on it
A hangman’s hill,interesting!
Finally a Scotsman that I can understand your accent and don’t need the closed captions😂
Haha 😂 thanks for the kind words! And great info. Glad you enjoyed and best wishes
John
Over 20 K now! Congratulations! That is a very cool and interesting measure! Thanks for bringing us along!
God bless you for showing how craptastic and joy filled a detecting day out can be; you had me howling with your “I’m losing my will to live” comment 😜🤣 I don’t need to cross my fingers anymore; you’ll have your 50K subs this summer. 🎉
2.3k today! Hopefully his subs will start growing exponentially! 👍👍
Your bell reminds me of what we call sleigh bells. I’ve dug quite a few. The design is similar. They date circa late 1700s-late 1800s with that style
Hello good sir. ^^ I'm glad RUclips recommended your channel to me. It's a wonderful place to be. I quickly subscribed and I'm happy to see how fast your channel is growing. Best of luck to you hun. ^^
Also, I did some research on the pewter quarter gill and the bell.
The pewter cup could be anywhere from the mid 1800's on up. It has different makers mark stamps on it, and these stamps would be placed on the cup throughout a person's travels to ensure it was authentic and not a fake. I'm supposing that people didn't really mark their own cup with their initials back then, probably because of any added makers marks they might end up having stamped on. Really fascinating history and piece you have there. I also found interesting about the tale of Jack and Jill and that makes more sense to me. As well as learning about the saying The last drop. Very interesting. ^^ . As for the bell. It looks like a Georgian era horse bell. So roughly 1714 - 1830's or so. It's also in really great condition too. Bless your soul though for all the aluminium you kept finding. Praying that your next search goes even better than the quarter gil and the bell. 🙏 ^^
Wonderful finds! Congratulations!
Jack fell down and broke his crown and Jill came tumbling after. Thank you so much for the History lesson!! Quite Fantastic!!
Aha! Well remembered! Many thanks
@@thescottishdetectorist You are very welcome!!
Couple of very nice finds John, 👍
I have told three today alone to check out your channel
You will been known through out the world and deservedly so informative and entertaining
Awesome finds, thanks for the history!