@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt Theon was trash! It was a generic cheap redemption arc because they knew fans are a sucker for "redemption". They completely ignored/changed how Theon was actually brought up by the Starks. In no way was Thoen ever close to a Stark and Ned was never close to his father. Ned was always VERY emotionally distant and even cold with Theon growing up (because he knew he may have to cut his head off if Balon acted up). NONE of the Starks except Robb ever saw Theon as family, and even Robb always reminded Theon that he was not a Stark
ive never thought about this until now, seeing this comment made me want to defend the characters. but then i started trying and actually realised they literally destroyed every single character in the whole show.
Bran: “I can’t be Lord of anything“ Also Bran: Becomes King Daenerys: “I am not here to be Queen of the Ashes” Also Daenerys: Becomes Queen of the Ashes Jaime: “Do you think I would stand by while thousands of men, women and children burn alive?“ Also Jaime: Stands by while thousands people burn alive, so that he can try to continue his incestuous relationship
She just stood around staring out of windows with that look on her face probably thinking ""What a shit season, what shit show content, what shit writing" wearing the coolest queen armour and not saying a word...
My hope was lost when the Wights smothered the burning trench with their highly flammable bodies. This is because I thought for a moment that the Night King is now being "punished" for being too aggressive and obsessed. I thought at that moment a significant part of his army would ignite (his Wights were tight crowded), so the Night King would be so much weakened that he would have to withdraw. But while the dead Ned Umber was still like tinder just two episodes before, the Wights were almost fireproof this time.
why did you? did you not watch the same season 7 as I did? did you not see the show jump the shark in S7E6 "beyond the wall"? didn't you notice that the writing had, without exaggeration, slipped below michael bay level? I do not understand how anybody didn't expect season 8 to be this bad.
LoL... that about sums it up. Having watched the slow, agonizing -death- murder of my favorite series of all time, the grieving process continues on YT .. hahahaha
J Films “everyone”? Are you sure? That sounds more like your opinion rather than a fact. Thats alit of people you’re speaking for. No disrespect intended. But it is kinda weird that many people posting comments seem still interested. Maybe they’re just fckn around and you’re the only one that knows the truth. Hmm...
The fact that we didn’t get to see ANY real reaction from anyone when Jon’s real identity was told (especially Arya and Sansa) was absolutely devastating 🤨
If D&D didn't care about it, why should anyone else do? It didn't matter whether Jon was. He could have been Hercules, Godzilla's human form, or whatever, noone cares about. Not even for his sudden aversion to Daenerys, since she can't have children. So what was he afraid of?
the whole Brann becoming King is mute a Jon is the sole surviving son of the rightful king, line of succession means that he is king regardless, and his reputation and high standing in the North could have united the waring houses. having a relative unknown take the throne will only anger lords who know Jons true identity and result in more war.... unless that's what they were going for, the Wheel never truly breaks.
My biggest gripe with every RUclips video about the series is “the show ran out of book material” no they didn’t, they skipped a bunch of things in the books that would’ve taken them to 12 seasons before the next book even came out. The clowns didn’t want to hand it to someone else and decided to ruin there careers instead of leaving on a good note and letting someone else keep going with great material that was skipped.
I don’t feel like I’ve heard that one too often. It’s seemed pretty clear to most people, especially after season 8, that laziness and a desire to rush the ending to be done with it is really what drove the show into the ground, it’s the reason for all of the inconsistencies and scuffed character plotlines.
@@trevordillon1921 People say it all the time. There are a ton of people who think that Three Body Problem will be a good adaptation just because the novels are complete, which ignores the fact that Dumb and Dumber have already admitted to making a ton of changes to the source material.
@@redluke8119 That's the problem, though. They never wanted to do a faithful adaptation of the story. They just wanted to use Martin's books to launch their feature film careers. HBO should've picked up on their incompetence and put someone in charge of them after the failed initial pilot.
The fatal flaw was setting up the White Walkers as an existential threat and then they don't survive past 1 battle. That's ridiculous. It affects everything else. Bran specifically.
Entire plot of season 7 is about how human conflicts don’t matter and we need to unite to to defeat this force that’s beyond us. But then cut to season 8 and it’s a mess the white walkers don’t matter Cersei crushed by bricks... Danny ? Turned into a batshit crazy warmongering facist. It was just overall disappointing and uh yeah. “ the real villain is Cersei” argument not only took away from the whole build up of a season ( literally all of season 7 was the white walkers are coming holy shit please help fight them) but it ended up not even being the final conflict 😂 this season narratively was really a mess and I think the decline just shows that D&D aren’t competent writers and showrunners unless they have amazing source material to work with
Yeah, and yet most of the main protagonists do survive, including Sam, who doesn't know how to fight but is miraculously able to come out of it unscathed and even have a bit of a sit down and a sob mid-battle.
That is generally how battles go. Someone wins. They took 7 seasons and 2 episodes to get to that point. In any scenario the night king wins, everyone else looses, as he has increased his army by the many thousands killed at winterfell. That means there is no Game Of Thrones. Can you imagine that, they went with your load of toss, and there was no Game Of Thrones at the end of the season, just the night king having a Starbucks latte petting Ghost........ You guys never consider your own opinion as a little bit of thought shows it just would not work as a Game Of Thrones story.
Just so you know guys. According to D&Ds script for the finale. Drogon accidently melted the iron throne he wasn't being intelligent or making a statement about humanity he simply was enraged and wanted to burn the world (but not Jon for some reason) and the fire accidently hit the metal chair. I shit you not this real.
Bran: "I can’t be lord of anything...I'm the Three Eyed Raven." Meera: "Bran..." Bran: "I’m not really...not anymore." Except when he decides that he IS Bran, and decides he wants to be king.
@@marianoalberto379 I think you're right, I think Bran had the ability to see that coming because Sansa looked too comfortable for someone who's brother/cousin was going to get killed. My guess is that he told her what the outcome was going to be ahead of time so she just went along with it.
This is what annoys me the most about the whole of season 8. I listened for a whole season Bran say in his monotone voice he is the 3 eyed raven..... then boom he’s king
And he did nothing. People died to get him to become the three eyed raven and he doesn't use the power for anything. He doesn't even scout the Iron Fleet. Even if you argue that he wanted Daenarys to lose her mind, it still doesn't explain why anyone is impressed with him enough to make him king.
@@dcgregorya5434 yeah I fucking despise Bran. They destroyed his character... yet he decides to be lord of everything even though he is the three eyed raven. The three eyed raven doesn't give a fuck about some iron chair lol.
What is so sad for me is that I used to get so much enjoyment from re-watching the series. I just can't work up the enthusiasm any more because it ended so poorly.
Six years ago I had to do a few months in prison. I read the books so many times I knew these characters. I KNEW them. They were familiar. They were my friends. I knew which parts of their journey I wanted to read based on my mood. I can’t explain how much it disappointed me to have it end in such a way that it ruined all of that for me. You ever have a falling out with a good friend? That’s how it felt.
The Others should've had more time in every episode until the end because they were the bigger threat. When the Others ended so quickly, the rest of S8 didn't know what to do so they made Dany the villain!
"winter is coming" "he wants to bring the endless night" ------------------------------------------------------------- can't figure out the difference so claims that the writing is wrong. lol
kusali11 because they acted their asses off. Just listen to interviews they said Emila Clarke said she wanted it to succeed so much that she acted “better then I ever did, but it sadly still didn’t fix the horrible writing” It was a new interview (within the last 2 months) (I forgot what it was on, but I remember the quote)
NovorSec I’m not hating. But how come everyone was praising got after season 7 ended and wanted season 8 right then and there. Everyone was pissed when they said no GOT for a year. Now that s8 was a flop and real lacklustre you guys are saying all of the last couple of seasons are real bad?
@@fatalxviperx4958 from season 7 to 8 they are not nad, they are just vanilla shows, not GOT, and basically its because they run out of books, so GOT just become a cliche show with the good guys winning at the end, writing it would be to long so watch this video, it shows my point of view: ruclips.net/video/p9v_5drwU2k/видео.html Again, not bad, but just your average Avengers movie
Season 8 felt like when you have to write the last paragraph of an essay in which you have to finish in 5 minutes and thus you compromise on quality just to finish.
I hate when people accept the excuse "they've been working on this for ten years and want to move on". A. D and D knew the source material when they started, they knew what they were in for. B. The actors, 90 percent of them will ever achieve this type of success again. Saying any of them wanted to move on is bullshit. This was a crime against humanity.
The greatest legacy they could have had and that shat on it for the failing star wars sequels. These 2 would also probably jump on a sinking ship because they always wanted to go on 'that' ship
@@user-xy4di3pd2mAnd Tyrion still allowed himself a moment of rebellion by giving Bran the epithet "the Broken". Gee, I'm sure that's what Bran always wanted to be known as.
Martin was setting up a situation where all of the conflict was running headlong into everyone starving and freezing to death, creating a severe test of choices. The books were beginning to show this with Stannis' army beginning to freeze to death at Winterfell. The show completely forgot Winter as a character. GoT is a prime example of what happens when a story is given to visual artists instead of a writer.
My father and I started watching this show together. We watched every episode together. Then he passed away in January 2018. I felt all alone without him. Then I thought if I watched season 8 it would make me feel better. I thought I could watch it for both of us. After watching the final season I felt even worse but I was kind of glad that my father didnt get to see how they destroyed it. I will never forgive them for destroying my childhood.
@@millerd420 If I had to guess, he's trying to poke fun at people being (rightly) not happy at how GoT turned out. On the other hand, maybe he is telling the truth. Who knows.
When Arya killed the Night king, it was very shallow. There was no history between her and the night king. She never even saw a white walker until that episode. And after the episode, it didn’t change her character in anyway. It wasn’t completely out the blue, but the only justification was a throw away line from like 4 seasons prior and Melisandre even had to remind her and then she was like “oh yeah blue eyes, brb”
Yeah, and pretty great how the guy who's entire 8 season story arc revolved around investigating and preparing for the White Walkers had nothing to do with the end of the Night King. But I suppose he was pretty busy with the important business of hiding behind rocks and yelling at things. Oh, and I'd be more on board with the idea that Arya killing the Night King wasn't completely out of nowhere if she hadn't literally materialized out of the darkness behind him, moving at an angle and speed that suggested she'd been fired out of a giant sling shot.
I mean, one could make the argument that, thematicaly, Arya´s story is all about confronting death. Not saying that they didn´t royally screw this up, but I´m sure there is a version of this exact resolution that it´s actually rewarding to the viewer. Similarly to how Sansa outsmarting and decieving Litlefinger was a perfectly fitting ending for their relationship, but the way they portrayed it in the show was rushed and poorly explained.
I want to be clear about something: Melisandre telling Arya she would “close blue eyes” back in Season 3 was not foreshadowing Season 8. Calling back to Melisandre’s comment in Season 8 was a retcon of Season 3. There’s a vast difference between those two things, and the fact that the DBs (a much better moniker than “D&D) thought they would get away with that garbage makes them equal parts unforgivably lazy and unconscionably disrespectful to their audience.
The show built up Jon as a Targaryen a secret that was kept from him by his uncle the most honorable in Westeros. Just for it to LITREALLLY not matter at all in the end 🤦♂️
@@marcomeme4875 They set up a ton a shit with no pay off. I'm sure someone could write a multiple page list of all the unexplained things and plots that were completely pointless.
It actually did. It was VERY poorly handled and rushed, but Jon being a Targ was the driving force behind Dany burning Kings Landing. Jon being the true head of house Targ is why Dany decided to rule by fear. The people loved Jon (for some reason. The show made him seem like a TERRIBLE ruler) and Dany saw she would never be loved like he was (Dany always cared more about being loved then anything) and with Jon being a Targ, she knew the people would not accept her as ruler unless they feared her. The show did a poor job of showing it (most don't even know why she burned everyone), but it will be SO good in the books
My thing is, nobody realized that Bran was really evil. He told Jon to tell Daenerys who he really was knowing very well what would happen then in the end saying he was there to become king. He basically tricked everyone.
Lisa Campbell oh yeah. He’s not “Bran” anymore either, he’s a collection of evil tree wizards. Basically this story is about how an evil hive mind manipulated events in order to become Big Brother to a kingdom.
The thing is that's not the case. Jon doesn't challenge this at all, or arya, or sansa. Absolutely no one paused and said "wait... What the fuck, you premeditated all this? You allowed the city to burn you cunt! " when he claimed "why do you think I came all this way?" Despite constantly stating he doesn't want or can't be a lord of anything. Even the most basic casual of a fan points this out but not some of the sharpest minds in this kingdom?
No, that was just idiotic screenwriting by D&D. Bran never wanted power, and everything he said at the end merely contradicted everything that came before. It was plot convenience, and every word out of his mouth sounded completely phony, because it contradicted the character's history. So no, Bran wasn't "evil", the two screenwriters betrayed the show and the characters. Which was worse.
@@Nasmr. , I don't blame Bran. I blame the incompetent scriptwriters that had Bran say these ludicrous lines to tie everything up quickly in an incoherent and senseless knot. It's just one of dozens of betrayals of characters they committed in the last season, so they could wrap everything up and get on with their Star Wars franchise. Gotta sell those toys, ya know?
@@maskedmarvyl4774 that's what I'm saying. If the characters had any individual thought and not d+ds lazy writing of having characters just accepting the situation they're in with zero agency then they'd have questioned that line if he was actually evil.
After thousands of years of planning the night king finally destroys the magical wall and marches a hundred thousand wights down to winterfell to kill Theon Greyjoy. Crap story.
I wonder if the books say that the night king is the source of all the other white walker's life forces - I just find it quite convenient that killing him kills them all
Season 8 felt like hermione killing voldemort in half blood prince, with umbridge being the persumed ultimate villain for a few chapters, with harry ultimatelly snapping and burning hogwarts
As my dad told me: It's much better to have a logical, satisfying story, albeit somewhat predictable in certain places, than it is to have a completely nonsensical take on everything for its own sake.
I’d argue that the first example of dumbing down was really Stannis in Season 5. He stopped being a complex character and turned into a one note fanatic.
@Zoe K. This is EXACTLY the inspiration for Stannis's sacrifice of his daughter, Stannis sacrificed the only thing he loved to save the world, as he believed, it makes him heroic and tragic, but people are used to heroes sacrificing their own life and do not think....
But Theon was stabbed through his armor _of steel_ with a broken, thin piece of wood. I wish Arya had attacked (and saved Theon) at that moment. Not only would it have been more believable that she was able to jump and attack from the wall or something, it would also have made Theon somehow part of the Stark family.
@@DixonCider954 i agree, in my opinion he shouldn't have ran into the night king but stayed and protected Bran instead. It all looked really clumsy and stupid.
Plot twist: Game of thrones season 8 isn’t the last season, Season 9 starts with most of the Kingdoms rebelling against the worst ruler they’ve ever had who has a mercenary as their master of coin for no apparent reason 😂
Drogon takes Dany's body to a red priest and she is revived and cured of her insanity. Bran reveals that he was possessed by the NK after Arya destroyed his physical body. Dany sends ravens to Jon and Arya under the name of one of her servants. They reunite and plan to take the world back from the NK.
Season 9 reveals Daenerys madness is caused by Varys successfully poisoning her. The independent north has difficulty generating an economy, due to the financial strain of 3 wars, lack of resources and the loss of men. Many people starve to death in the winter. Sansa is brought into direct conflict with Jon and the Free Folk as the remaining northern lords wish to take the land beyond the wall for themselves.
@@kwclass09 Due to most of the northern lords preferring Jon as king, having elected him, and with all her close advisors either gone south or having left the kingdoms, Sansa starts becoming paranoid. The northern lords quickly tire of her tyranny and rebel, led by Lord Glover who has carefully preserved his troops. They force her to choose between marrying glover's son or abdication, and the stark rule of the north is now de facto at an end. Bran the useless does nothing except maybe watch his sister's wedding night.
I'd say the decline actually started at season 5, the second Tyrion got pulled into the deep sea by stonemen but survives and Jorah gets infected instead
The moment I lost all respect for the show, the scene that made me hate the showrunners was the scene jamie charging on horseback towards a dragon - I repeat- A DRAGON getting saved by bronn deus ex machina at the very last second who was nowhere near jamie and surrounded by fire, smoke & dothraki. To top it all off he was able to SWIM in full plate armor without drowning or sinking to the boddom of the lake/river. That's when I knew the nightmare was just beginning and... it turned out even worse than I imagined.
I wish seasons 7 and 8 would have at least gotten 10 episodes. Even if all the plot was exactly the same at least we woulda got some better pacing and substance.
No. Dan and Dave are talentless hacks and would have screwed it up no matter what. One of them cowrote FUCKING X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE. THERE WAS NEVER A CHANCE OF THEM DOING THIS JUSTICE. REEEEEEE!
They NEVER EXPLAINED the Night king... not even who he was... but WHY he was doing what he was doing. The first 3 minutes of the shows history shows their patterns and perceived intent of commu ication, albeit through terror. Then, nothing. Awful.
Shame on me ... I liked it all . I read LOTR 14 times . Absolutely loved the creation ofTolkien but the movies were horrible ...UNLESS .. you realize that that the movies are not the books just loosely based on them . I watched GOT without reading the books .... I'm sure that as much as I enjoyed the show ,the books will be much more entertaining . The books always are .
I blame the books for that one, the tv show did such a good job creating a character that doesn't appear in the books so that night king becomes the big bad, he should have been the main focus of the last season but instead they get rid of him far too early to get to the book's probable ending which would have made a lot more sense over three books.
@@rayct60 at least the lotr movies were consistent and had a developed plan. I never felt hollow finishing one of them. I never felt disappointed. Its a different medium, different vision, same ideas. The hobbit trilogy on the other hand......yeesh. This is where adding new, unnecessary, and irrelevant padding screws up an adaptation. GoT early seasons compared to later feels so inconsistent and unaligned that its near unrecognizable that its the same show other than character/location names. I didnt care about the characters because the show doesnt give you a reason to anymore. Characters are now relegated to tropes that have a predictable ending, as opposed to the juxtaposition of plot and realistic choices in the books/earlier seasons.
I actually saw the final episode in a bar. There were certain points where everyone was riveted. But when the credits rolled it was just quiet. It was like the biggest awkward silence I'd ever experienced. Like there was no feeling, no one was sure what had actually just happened.
Season 7-8 wouldve been alot better if DND took the 12 season plan HBO offered, each season a total of 10 episodes. nice pacing, more time for development and no rushing, and maybe the books wouldve come out by then
12 seasons would be too long. It'd drag. 10 would have been enough. Two seasons per book(at least the ones released) and if further books came out by then they could be worked into the tenth season.
@@Severian1 10 probably would have been perfect. The whole thing with the Night King needed to be a full season. If that ended up being season 8, it should have included Jon and Daenerys' relationship - their convergence was kinda the point of the series, at least per some things GRRM said way back in the making of the earlier seasons. I think their relationship was supposed to be epic, the thing you'd write songs about... you know, songs of Ice and Fire. Develop Daenerys slipping from rationality into more of an "end justifies the means" attitude... perhaps have her pregnant, as was foreshadowed, then due to something she blames on Cersei, she loses the child and loses her shit. THIS would be believable. Jon almost goes along with her because he's angry, too... but then he comes to his senses, and he can't stop Daenerys... then we get to the end. THAT could have been earning it.
One montj ago I would've agreed with you, but after watching The Dragon Demands, all the glaring flaws of season 8 can be traced all the way back to the pilot of season 1. They just had the material and weren't too far gone to just shrug it off with their own idiotic writing.
@@FrayAdjacentTX Exactly. Her snap should have been gradual. A slow burn coupled with a slow rise in the NK's attack. The dead should have torn apart winterfell then down to other castles and cities. The threat that is the WWs must be given weight. As they progress down south Sam, Brienne, Bron, Pod, Theon die raising the stakes whilst Daenerys is loosing her sanity on account of her losing more and more of her army to an enemy she didn't initially plan to face. And then close to Kingslanding Arya with Jon's help kills the NK. Cersei, at a safe distance, attacks shortly afterwards, while they've set-up camp (which gives her something to do beyond standing at windows and drinking wine) to take advantage of her enemy's weariness. Missandei dies here, final straw. Dany snaps. Burns all of the attack force and the people in the city. Jaime sees Cersei in fear and retreating and instinctively helps her. In retreating both burn. Then the Nazi speech by Daenerys, Jon kills her and the Dothraki bloodriders remaining kill him. Or Drogon burns him. Either way a better ending. Or something else just not what they gave us.
I used to rewatch GOT all the time, after season 8, I have never watched another episode. Evert thing the show was building up didnt matter in the end, the huge deal that john was a targarion. It was completely dropped.
Agreed. The quality of a show can be measured by its enjoyment for repeat viewings. Season 8 did significant damage to the show. :( I have no desire to rewatch any of the seasons now.
Couldn't agree more! seriously it's like s8 ruined the whole show :( now when watching s1 I will just be thinking about the shitty ending all the characters had
Also, they tried so hard to give us what they thought we wanted, without realizing that the thing we loved about GOT was that it broke our souls. I remember dreading the battle with the Night King because I knew so many characters would die, but I wasn't happy when they survived.
Summary: Seasons 1-4: best show in TV History and will never be equalled Season 5: less perfect than seasons 1-4 but still good elements and storytelling Season 6: beginning of the « spectacle/shock over storytelling » switch, characters development put aside and even characters doing illogical things in regards of what they were built for, beginning of plot armor also, and blatant plot holes Seasons 7-8: insult to the Television
xellossaxon I agree if I’d rewatch it I’d stop at the end of Season 4 or 5 and even in the first Seasons some plots were left behind and it’s a shame, the most horrible one being the house of the undying to me, or the fact they didn’t put Jaime’s revelation to Tyrion when he frees him, or even not showing Tyrion’s gray morality sense that he has in the books in some scenes, just to make him a fan favorite , some others are due to financial matters like Tyrion’s nose not being cut at the Blackwater. I understand people that don’t like the show cuz it let down some things, I hope some day if GRRM finishes the books, there’ll be a real adaptation that stays true to the books from beginning to end
Darth Daddy there’s two guys on RUclips who rewrote season 8 and oh my god each of them made it an amazing ending. I’ll have to hunt them down because it’s the only endings I accept and you may feel better about GOT 🤣
@@rf5921 I saw one that made a brilliant case for why Theon should have been the Prince that was Promised and killed the Night King. But literally anything would have been better than the Deus Ex Arya from hell.
Darth Daddy my favourite retelling is probably the simplest. Night king knocks down wall, kills everyone, sits on the iron throne covered in ice. Boom. Boring but better than season 8.
@@rf5921 Wayyyyyyy better than season 8. I actually read a fanfiction once where the conclusion had everyone retreating south and the nightking raised all the dead from every place he passed by, including the dead dragons beneath the Red Keep.
24:39 One of Tyrion's dumbest moves, countered only by Cercei's dumbest move. How does she not order all the siege engines to fire, with the enemy leaders standing before the walls with no cover? Hell, I think they're within arrow range as well. Someone who blew up the Sept of Baelor would not hesitate to give that order.
Even Drogon was there, just a few metres behind the ~84 Unsullied. But maybe Cersei thought "Yeah, I have thhe highground, so all I have to do now is making her angry enough to attack"? In D&D's mind, that certainly makes sense.
Honestly the point he made around 10:00 is true. When I first watched the early seasons it was unlike anything I had ever seen, every conversation or meeting felt like I had to pay 100% attention or I would miss some important subtle detail. Later seasons felt like any other Drama show but with more horses and boobs and wow moments
BOOK SPOILERS BELOW The thing I am most disappointed about was how they cut out the Young Griff/fAegon plot. He would've made a far more interesting and compelling final villain to Dany in King's Landing than Cersei ever will. And he could've made her "snap into madness" more convincing since he has the better "claim" to the throne and the people of King's Landing would never accept Dany over him. In addition, his presence could've saved the Dorne plot from being a total disaster by making Doran and Arianne ally with him and Varys would have a much greater role to play in the endgame of the series. Varys has been set up as best schemer in Westeros for so many seasons, only rivaled by Littlefinger, but the show completely stripped him of his Blackfyre master plan and dumbed him down just to kill him off easily at the last minute. Even though the books aren't finished, all the seeds and ingredients for a good story were there for the show writers but they ignored it and rushed the series quickly so they could move on. Such a waste.
Dorne and Tyrion's adventures in Essos could've carried a single season alone. Add one the whole Northern plot line, and then the Vale Sansa plotline. That's possibly two or more seasons right there.
The whole eighth season just felt so... empty. None of the big moments had the impact they should have. Like others here have been saying, characters who were in the show from the beginning would die... and it just felt empty. Whatever. That is not how I should feel. Especially with the precident they set with characters like Ned Stark, Rob Stark, Catylin, etc. These were moments that blew people's minds. The writing got so.... bad. I don't even have a better way to explain it. It just felt like they were going through the motions just to get to the end. What a monumental disappointment.
Before season 7, I would spend hours watching GoT scenes on RUclips. I would rewatch them over and over. After the show finished, I felt too depressed to rewatch any part of the show. I still think of the show from time to time and sigh with sadness
@@athenajaxon2397 Season 6 was terrible! A completely different show from the gritty dark political fantasy where choices and mistakes had consequences that the first 4 seasons were. Season 6 was straight generic hollywood garbage, full of fan service and good guys vs bad guys. It was trash that appealed to stupid people
I have series 1-7 on blu ray. They were my pride and joy the first season was even signed by Jason Momoa. I used to rewatch them over and over but they have been gathering dust for the last 2 years.
If the show ended with Jon finding another white walker symbol with bodies beyond the wall and left the show open ended it would have slightly helped to heal the wound season 7 and 8 left
“Because the dragon understood symbolism and melted the throne.” Not according to the script, apparently, that says the throne was nothing more than a dumb prop in the way of the dragons fire. Oof.
You hit the nail on the head when you showed the morons in the reaction videos. GOT was never about watching it in a bar, it was about watching it in a quiet place without and disturbances or interruptions. You had to focus on the nuance of the show but all of that was removed and it turned into a sporting event.
GoT truly died when it started to become a show that favors the generic fantasy tropes (cheap comedy, dragons, badass battles on a huge scale, gore and brutality with no rhyme or reason) instead of the intense character moments, brutal and grounded battles, tension in the character exchanges, dialogues and monologues. (Jaime and Brienne bath scene, Tyrion's confession, Mountain vs. Oberyn, etc.) Fuck, even the cock joke Tyrion made in season one was written better than a majority of any dialogue in season eight.
Spot on. I was never a lover of the fantasy genre. Never wanted to watch Lord of the rings or Harry Potter, but when I say GoT I was hooked because it was not a run of the mill fantasy show but something so much better. The layered characters, the political intrigue. the Houses...I agree that by the end it had become the stuff I never cared for before.
I hate all the talk about "...they did not have book material..." It's nonsense, there was tons and tons of book material to use. The fact is, they both strangely either just chose not to utilize relevant material, or purposefully wrote their narrative in ways that rendered great book material unusable in their altered continuity threads... Both decisions were irreparably detrimental to any logical future narrative structure and cemented the impossibility of any sense of reaching satisfying conclusions to either the characters or the plot threads that comprised a world had that so engrossed us in earlier scenes... They get absolutely no pass whatsoever, with the whole "no book material left" hand waving excuse...
But they didn't? The show is an adaptation of a book with immense amount of content and details, there's no way they were going to adapt everything from the books, whether seemingly important or not. I don't think there's a show or movie that's adapted everything from the source material without making changes and cuts. With no books left to adapt it's clear they had no idea what to do next
I only remember three things from Season 7: Dany nuking the Lannisters on an open battlefield, Olenna Tyrell's Parthian shot to Jaime before dying, and fine ass Missandei having sex with Greyworm.
I remember Gendry running to the Wall, a raven flying from the wall halfway down the continent and Daenerys flying up halfway across the continent to the exact spot that Jon and the gang were in one night.
@@HarryBuddhaPalm Don't forget those massive chains the Night King happened to carry in his back pocket, just in case he has to drag a dead dragon out of the water. Now THAT is what I call planning ahead.
Finally someone calls out kliganebowl for what it was ! This whole video and analysis was brilliant. The best I’ve ever seen. It articulated so many nuances that collectively made for a disastrous ending.
The saddest thing is we don't care. This show ended in a ridiculous manner and we don't care. We forgot about it already. It's just, whatever. And it's sad because it had the potential to be the best series ever. Maybe we were all not expecting much after an idiotic Season 7.
Dany's death was meant too be a heart wrenching scene. this woman we all loved for 7 seasons to turn into a mass murderer. when she died. We did not feel a thing just a sigh...then we saw that fucked up dragon pit scene and the council. What bullshit. These scenes elicited more stronger emotions than Dany's death.
they could have shot an entire season centered around dany losing her mind- being aware that she's losing it and tragically being unable to keep it all under control. her death could have been shot as more tragic than whatever that thing was which ultimately aired.
I have avoided all of the wrap-up videos dissecting what went wrong with the show, but I guess I was ready to do so when this popped up as a suggestion. I'm glad I watched this video. Thanks for making and posting it-it's pretty much just how I felt and what I thought. Especially that the show deserved better. It truly did.
i've found myself finishing ur sentences before you did throughout this video. I've watched prolly hundreds of hours of youtube GoT content and you, sir, have nailed it here!
2019 is almost over and I'm still pissed about the ending EDIT: 10 days into 2020 and I'm still pissed EDIT EDIT: Monday, April 6th 2020. I am still pissed lol EDIT EDIT EDIT: Almost a year since it ended and my fury has not abated in the slightest.... I think I may need a therapist XD EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT: June 23rd. Started reading the books again. SOOOO much better than that ending. And yes, I am still pissed EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT: November 7th. Despite everything happening right now, the pandemic, the election insanity, I just can't bring myself to not hate the ending still
Season 1 : Khal drogo, a trained warrior who fights since childhood dies from a small cut on his chest but Arya '' Marie Sue '' Stark get stabbed 3x, swimming in dirty water bleeding but survived.. Ok. Season 8 : Everyone was dying around Arya and she survived and find a white horse is there waiting for her and the way is perfectly cleared.. Ok? OK?! OK!!!
She isn't really a mary sue at all. She fails at everything except fighting. She spends months living on the street of kings landing after her father is betrayed. And she isn't successful at this at all. She's surviving on damned pigeons when her father is executed. She gets sold to fight on the wall. She and the other recruits struggle heavily to even survive. She almost dies to small side characters all the time. While helped by extremely powerful teachers. She fails at getting back to her family. She fails at being a faceless.
I think what happened to Khal drogo is more of an example of being blind sighted by a low probability event (which, to be fair, has historically happened to a lot of kings during war campaigns) than the status quo for what happens when you don't dress a wound promptly. Also, at least learn to spell Mary Sue, even if you can't get the definition right.
Haiiry Cake by that argument Rey in Starwars isn't a Mary Sue either. Rey is one of the biggest Mary Sue's in recent history and she struggled on Tatooine until the plot no longer called for it. Even the actress playing Arhya didn't believe that Arhya should have been the one to take down the night king. Arhya didn't start out as a Mary Sue but was turned into one by the time the show ended.
@@Loophole23742 Her killing the night king is the only event you have to complain about. And that has nothing to do with her character, it has everything to do with how D and D can't write for shit.
@@Loophole23742 If anything the problem with Arya is that he skills are not used to take down Cersei and Euron. This alone prevents the last was and is also a form of security if Dany would actually go mad once in power. But there's not much actual thought put in the last seasons. S7 the pack is what is needed, then it's suddenly forgotten again, she goes of to find out what's west of Westeros.. ugh (Rey is too good too fast, but SW is filled with inconsistencies for years... so I don't really care. The kids who watch Rey growing up won't notice these things until later on..but GoT is targeted at a far more mature audience but it turned quite stupid)
I don’t think Jon coming back from the dead was a reversal of consequences. The show had done a good job of setting up Jon to be the main adversary of the Night King. The way I *THOUGHT* the show was going was to set up Jon being resurrected via the Lord of Light because the God NEEDED Jon alive to be able to defeat the Night King. I would have been 100% okay with Jon actually dying while fighting (but ultimately killing) the Night King. I thought that was his one purpose and once that purpose was fulfilled and he completed his character arc I was fine with him dying. In fact I would have RATHER SEEN JON SNOW DIE LIKE THAT THAN WATCHING HIM ACT LIKE AN IDIOT AND THEN GET SENT TO THE WALL??
Season 6 was when got stopped being got. The Starks were set up as the 'good guys' and at the end of season 5 they were at their lowest point. Jon died, Sansa got married to Ramsay, Arya went blind, Rickon was captured by Ramsay and Bran was absent for the whole season. But in season 6 Jon gets ressurected really early on with no consequences, manages to take back winterfell in an epic battle, wins over the people of the North and gets crowned King in the north. These 2 seasons follow the stereotypical formula of the bad guys having an initial advantage, good guys going through tough times and then eventually beating the bad guys as underdogs.
I think the best examples of seeing what Game of Thrones began as and what GOT ultimately became was the Battle of the Blackwater and the Battle of Winterfell. During Blackwater, there is fighting but the majority of the episode is about the characters and their struggles dealing with the battle. The Hound realizing he no longer wants to kill and deserts his king. Tyrion rallying the soldiers for a counterattack. They lose all hope, at one point Cersei almost kills her son in order to spare him the pain of being captured. Then at the end, they are saved by Lord Tywin and the Tyrells. The Battle of Winterfell has no character development. At no point in the battle do you truly believe that the battle is lost. Most of the episode is dedicated to the action on the battlefield. Hardly any dialogue. The episode relies almost solely on visuals. It is there to entertain the masses.
the last battle at kings landing wasn't even a battle. It was a slaughter. As if lannister men can't even fight back. Or the golden company which was very dissapointing how they died
I've read all the books, and seen all of seasons one to five; plus odd bits of season six and a few clips from seven. Enough to warn me to stop. I'm going to leave it there, and count myself amongst the lucky few to have the best of GoT in my memory. How could such a great production team have got it SO wrong when they took the story line over from George RR? You wouldn't think they could have filmed it that well, if they understood what the books were doing, so little.
When they are excused by people saying "Well, they didn't have any source material from the books any more.", that's just wrong because they also threw out the developments, events, actions/consequences and character arcs of all that went before!!
They way they did littlefinger was so poorly written and executed I knew it was the beginning of the end. I'm not a littlefinger fanboy but this dude was a major player and a master of sneaky shit and they ruined his story line in such a pathetic way.
In the space of 30 seconds D&D turned Dani [Henry Tudor-like and GoT's most popular character) into Genghis Khan. I always knew D&D knew nothing about warfare, medieval or otherwise. Now I know that they are also ignorant of how mental diseases manifest themselves. No light switches in the brain. There is no Season 8 in my mind. Ever miss the last season or last episode of a TV series and all your friends tell you not to watch them/it? Yeah, like that.
A guy at my work has never watched it and he asked me if I should. I said to him watch seasons 1-6 and come up with your own conclusion as to what happens in the end
@@patwaddington Exactly. Seasons 1-6 are the best. George R.R. Martin was a conscientious objector in the Vietnam War. Nothing wrong with that. But season 7 and especially season 8 seems to be a statement right out of the 60s band song "War". Namely, the song that goes "WAR! HUH! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR! ABSOLUTELY NUTHIN'!" Except that sometimes there ARE "Good Wars" that DO accomplish something good. The Wars of the Roses (Insane kings). The US Civil War (End Slavery). WWII (destroy the Nazis). Just to name a few. The George R.R. Martins of the world have no end of trouble remembering this fact. Until the last two episodes of the series, the various wars (except those by the Lannisters and the Baratheons) WERE Good Wars. Then the writers had to use "Writers' Preference" to turn the sharpest mind in the World of George R.R. Martin into a complete sociopath.
Or if they adapted the book properly, the destroyed Jaime arc, destroyed Dorne, Essos, Riverlands, removed Aegon storyline. They stop caring in season 4, people just accepted now you're seeing the end result.
Also they completely butchered Euron's storyline, in the books he's probably the scariest most irredeemable character. In the show he's a camp pirate, what a waste.
The night king should have decimated winterfell and continued on to kings landing, and only a few characters survive. The Night King could have done the same thing to Bran that he did to the baby in season 4. Lost potential. Not to mention Arya could have travelled to King's Landing instead of Winterfell in season 7, and when she gets there Cersei is fighting a war with the people of King's Landing. She sneaks into the castle the same ways that she escaped, remembers the boy she killed (pathos and callbacks done right), and maybe even witness Cersei with Lannister loyalists escape in a boat. Then Danaerys could have arrived at King's Landing and, instead of a battle, she simply sits the throne. This could have been the middle of season 7. Then Cersei is arrested by her own family and offers her to Danaerys at the end of season 7, brought back to King's Landing and is going to be executed publicly as Ned was. Ugh. And I'm just an amateur writer.
There is no such thing as a professional writer, you did well and a little imagination based on the essence of the source material is all you need. Yes, then after Cersie's excecution, everyone starts preparing for the battle with the night king, who Jon kills and then goes on to challenge Dany for the throne, being the righful heir, then jon gives the throne to Gendry Borathion
I will say it again Vince Gilligan should've been hired to do the GOT ending. The director responsible for BB delivered one of the best endings I've ever seen
Seriously!! But of course, you can say the same thing about Gilligan and ANY show... But holy fuck, could you imagine how epic that would've been?? Just bring him on as a writing consultant for God's sake!
Agreed. BB is the only show that comes to mind when I think of a satisfying ending. I'm sure there's others, but easily head and shoulders above the rest.
Maybe, yeah. Lets not forget the actors doing a stand-up job though. I've never directed anything before but I'm sure your actors play an enormous role in the success of episode. The script is pretty forgettable though, all I can really remember is Jesse's struggle and the machinegun in the car, the fact that that's all I remember doesn't make it one of the best endings ever. Then again my memory is pretty awful. Different folkes different strokes.
The way this show ended, it's impossible for me to rewatch. The journey from seasons 1-6 was amazing, but 7 and 8 were pretty bad. I didn't want to believe season 7 was bad at the time. I figured they sped up the pacing and the final season would pay off. By the time season 7 came around, the main characters had plot armor. In season 8, series building character arcs were destroyed in a single episode. Dany's demise made no sense. I believe GRRM wanted her to get to that point, but it made no sense in the show. She went from saving humanity in episode 3 to killing a city of innocent people in episode 5, right after the armies surrendered. The showrunners massacred the show because they decided to rush to an ending in 6 episodes that should have been built up in about 3 or 4 more seasons. Fuck D&D.
3 or 4 more seasons? 😂 They could have done it in 2. They already had a bit of what they needed in denaerys' personality. All they had to do was kill off important characters around her and show her slowly going over the edge. Instead, jorah and missandei die and that somehow justifies her going off the edge in basically 2 episodes.
Yeah I was in complete denial and making excuses until season 8 episode 3. Episode 2 was so nice, it reminded us why we loved these characters and was a great way to say goodbye before (I thought) most of them died in episode 3. Episode 2 wasn't written by D&D. They take over writing in episode 3 and that's when I realized they completely ruined the best show ever made. Fuck D&D!
@@kingvince7328 They could have made ANY of the characters go mad with all of what they experienced and what was in their personality. I mean, Cercei, Arya, Sansa, Jon & Theon were much more traumatized than Dany to trigger their personality traits for example. Any of these characters could have gone mad based on this. Why is there so much of a double standard around Dany's madness? Of all of the Targaryens, there were only a couple that could be considered to have gone mad. There is too much stock put into "Every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin". There isn't even proof to back it up because at least 45% of them would have had to go mad to make that statement have any kind of meaning. It's like we look for the smallest things with Dany and ignore the huge things with everyone else. This is an example of being led through misperceptions instead of what really is.
I like that you talk about consequences because while I agree, it’s also one of the biggest gripes I have with this show. Almost every time a "good” character makes a mistake, they die or have something absolutely tragic happen to them. Ned makes the mistake of "honorably" telling cercei that he’s going to out her biggest secret so that she has the opportunity to save her children beforehand, This gets him killed. Robb goes back on his word to Frey because he falls in love and has a child on the way, this gets him and his love ones killed. Sansa dreams about marrying a king or prince and becoming a true queen/lady. She gets her wish numerous times but finds out that a king or prince can be evil the hard way (won’t go into it all but Joffrey, Ramsey.) even tyrion was supposed to be a slight to her since he’s a dwarf (she doesn’t know him like we do). I’m obviously mainly talking about the starks but there’s plenty of other examples. Oberyn wanted to get justice for his sister being brutally raped and murdered plus his infant niece and nephew being murdered too. He beats the mountain but whether you agree or not, he wasn’t satisfied with just getting justice on the mountain. He also wanted him to confess that Tywin have him the order in the hopes that the mountains confession would inform the world what a monster Tywin is and that he deserves justice too. Was it smart to let his guard down near the mountain because he was trying to out Tywin? Not at all. But he gets brutally murdered as well even though he won that fight (you can argue all you want that (it’s not over till it’s over so technically the mountain won, but miss me with that shit. He beat the mountain. You can’t convince me otherwise.) and there’s plenty more "side characters” who were in the right that ultimately lost too. But I bring all this up to say what about cercei? And I don’t mean "she’s so evil, why is she still alive!?) no no no.. cercei made SO many mistakes just like characters I just listened. Maybe even more AND worse. But I’ll only talk about one, but imo is the worst mistake she made. She was solely responsible for putting the high sparrow/faith militant/church back in power because she wanted to use it against her enemies. This obviously backfired on her in a huge way. But what were her consequences really? Being locked up and treated poorly until she confessed? Yes that’s bad, but the same thing was happening to loras and Margery who were way more undeserving of it than her. Then there’s the infamous "walk of shame”. Terrible? Absolutely. But that’s literally the worst consequence she gets after all the evil shit just done and mistakes she’s made UP TO THAT POINT. My point is that if any of the "good” characters made even half the mistakes she made (especially if their name is stark) she’d get killed. Why does Cersei get to make mistake after mistake and compared to the other (better) characters, have very little consequences? And then she blows up the temple of the most famous religion of her people (with innocent people inside) with wildfire. Like that wouldn’t make people storm the red keep to try to kill her?! Anyway that was my biggest issue with the show when I started watching it after season 3.
It kills me that there wasnt a better ending! You're right, so many awesome storylines I needed to see through, didnt get resolved. There were so many loose ends and plotholes. D&D ended it the way they did because they couldnt write the ending. GRRM cant write the ending. And if he cant, no one can. However, I saw lots of fan fiction that was way better than the ending and that was part of the problem. D&D were reading the fan fiction and didnt want any of it to be right. And that limited their options. They shouldnt have read it at all, but I think they were looking for inspiration. It's almost like D&D got pissed off at the fans and sabotaged the ending out of spite. I know they were already getting trashed on youtube before season 8. I just dont see how they could bomb that bad unless they did it on purpose. But the actual blame ought to be placed on GRRM. He was supposed to supply the material and he didnt. And even if he couldnt write the book, he could have written the show. He couldve helped with the dialogue, pointed them in the right direction. He sure as hell wasnt working on WOW. Its dumb af to create a television series on material that has no ending! That's a recipe for disaster. George dropped the ball. Nobody had any idea how to finish this story. But what they could have done was wrap up the story with answers from the books' history, which was there in abundance. That would've satisfied me.
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Sure, this video's a little late, but on the other hand, I didn't use the "Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet" clip
Awesome analysis. Couldn’t agree more.
My lord, is that legal?
Maybe you "kind of forgot" to upload the video? XD
Hey are you gonna do any Flash and Arrow videos?
HBO: We want 10 seasons at 10-25 episodes.
D&D: we want Star Wars.
GRRM: I think you can go 13 or even more seasons.
D&D: WE WANT STAR WARS!
The only things that annoy me:
Jon is a Targaryen - useless
Arya's faceless abilities - useless
Winter is coming, winter came, winter was shit
*as far as characters and story lines go* only Theon was the good one, the rest was garbage.
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt Theon was trash! It was a generic cheap redemption arc because they knew fans are a sucker for "redemption". They completely ignored/changed how Theon was actually brought up by the Starks. In no way was Thoen ever close to a Stark and Ned was never close to his father. Ned was always VERY emotionally distant and even cold with Theon growing up (because he knew he may have to cut his head off if Balon acted up). NONE of the Starks except Robb ever saw Theon as family, and even Robb always reminded Theon that he was not a Stark
@Nathan C GRRM gave them some plot points that COULD have been great. People are more pissed about how poorly they handled what GRRM gave them.
ive never thought about this until now, seeing this comment made me want to defend the characters. but then i started trying and actually realised they literally destroyed every single character in the whole show.
Guess we know why they fear winter so much now!
They didn’t break the wheel. They replaced it with a wheelchair.
Chaos is a wheel chair ramp
Bran is now known as the Broken, he moves on a wheel chair. Case closed.
Yes! You win the internet today. Lol
"You won't walk, but you'll ride"
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Bran: “I can’t be Lord of anything“
Also Bran: Becomes King
Daenerys: “I am not here to be Queen of the Ashes”
Also Daenerys: Becomes Queen of the Ashes
Jaime: “Do you think I would stand by while thousands of men, women and children burn alive?“
Also Jaime: Stands by while thousands people burn alive, so that he can try to continue his incestuous relationship
D&D: bUT DiD It SuBvERt You'rE ExPeCtAtioNS tHoUGh?
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At least Emilia Clarke is loveable with quality acting. Excellent death scene acting at the end. She didn't overdo it...spot on!
Characters; We can't beat them ( night king ) in a straight fight
Also them: charge in a straight fight
none of these are bad ideas, just not executed in any coherant or believable or well told way
“Cersei...just kind of stood around and died.”
Certified 100% correct.
She just stood around staring out of windows with that look on her face probably thinking ""What a shit season, what shit show content, what shit writing" wearing the coolest queen armour and not saying a word...
she drank too! how dare he! she drank (and maybe, maybe not fake a pregnancy)
she had a full schedule!
Nobody expected a happy ending, but we at least thought it would be coherent.
My hope was lost when the Wights smothered the burning trench with their highly flammable bodies. This is because I thought for a moment that the Night King is now being "punished" for being too aggressive and obsessed. I thought at that moment a significant part of his army would ignite (his Wights were tight crowded), so the Night King would be so much weakened that he would have to withdraw. But while the dead Ned Umber was still like tinder just two episodes before, the Wights were almost fireproof this time.
Exactly my point
We expected a good ending, not necessarily a happy ending just good
Exactly. It didn’t have to be happy but it should’ve made sense
why did you? did you not watch the same season 7 as I did? did you not see the show jump the shark in S7E6 "beyond the wall"? didn't you notice that the writing had, without exaggeration, slipped below michael bay level? I do not understand how anybody didn't expect season 8 to be this bad.
I like how everyone is going through the grieving process together on youtube. Its cheaper than a therapist at least.
nraketh heheh
LoL... that about sums it up. Having watched the slow, agonizing -death- murder of my favorite series of all time, the grieving process continues on YT .. hahahaha
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Everyone is over the show now.
J Films “everyone”? Are you sure? That sounds more like your opinion rather than a fact. Thats alit of people you’re speaking for.
No disrespect intended.
But it is kinda weird that many people posting comments seem still interested.
Maybe they’re just fckn around and you’re the only one that knows the truth.
Hmm...
The fact that we didn’t get to see ANY real reaction from anyone when Jon’s real identity was told (especially Arya and Sansa) was absolutely devastating 🤨
If D&D didn't care about it, why should anyone else do? It didn't matter whether Jon was. He could have been Hercules, Godzilla's human form, or whatever, noone cares about. Not even for his sudden aversion to Daenerys, since she can't have children. So what was he afraid of?
@@doofkos I bet they could have children tho if she tried
Thats what I was looking forward to as well.
the whole Brann becoming King is mute a Jon is the sole surviving son of the rightful king, line of succession means that he is king regardless, and his reputation and high standing in the North could have united the waring houses. having a relative unknown take the throne will only anger lords who know Jons true identity and result in more war.... unless that's what they were going for, the Wheel never truly breaks.
My biggest gripe with every RUclips video about the series is “the show ran out of book material” no they didn’t, they skipped a bunch of things in the books that would’ve taken them to 12 seasons before the next book even came out. The clowns didn’t want to hand it to someone else and decided to ruin there careers instead of leaving on a good note and letting someone else keep going with great material that was skipped.
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I don’t feel like I’ve heard that one too often. It’s seemed pretty clear to most people, especially after season 8, that laziness and a desire to rush the ending to be done with it is really what drove the show into the ground, it’s the reason for all of the inconsistencies and scuffed character plotlines.
They could have still been making the show if they really wanted HBO said 10-12 seasons is what they wanted
@@trevordillon1921 People say it all the time. There are a ton of people who think that Three Body Problem will be a good adaptation just because the novels are complete, which ignores the fact that Dumb and Dumber have already admitted to making a ton of changes to the source material.
@@redluke8119 That's the problem, though. They never wanted to do a faithful adaptation of the story. They just wanted to use Martin's books to launch their feature film careers. HBO should've picked up on their incompetence and put someone in charge of them after the failed initial pilot.
The fatal flaw was setting up the White Walkers as an existential threat and then they don't survive past 1 battle. That's ridiculous. It affects everything else. Bran specifically.
Absofuckinglutely.
Entire plot of season 7 is about how human conflicts don’t matter and we need to unite to to defeat this force that’s beyond us. But then cut to season 8 and it’s a mess the white walkers don’t matter Cersei crushed by bricks... Danny ? Turned into a batshit crazy warmongering facist. It was just overall disappointing and uh yeah. “ the real villain is Cersei” argument not only took away from the whole build up of a season ( literally all of season 7 was the white walkers are coming holy shit please help fight them) but it ended up not even being the final conflict 😂 this season narratively was really a mess and I think the decline just shows that D&D aren’t competent writers and showrunners unless they have amazing source material to work with
Yeah, and yet most of the main protagonists do survive, including Sam, who doesn't know how to fight but is miraculously able to come out of it unscathed and even have a bit of a sit down and a sob mid-battle.
That was the plot-wise fuckup. An equally fatal flaw I’d say is how all characters became puppets for the story and gained impenetrable plot armor.
That is generally how battles go. Someone wins. They took 7 seasons and 2 episodes to get to that point. In any scenario the night king wins, everyone else looses, as he has increased his army by the many thousands killed at winterfell. That means there is no Game Of Thrones. Can you imagine that, they went with your load of toss, and there was no Game Of Thrones at the end of the season, just the night king having a Starbucks latte petting Ghost........
You guys never consider your own opinion as a little bit of thought shows it just would not work as a Game Of Thrones story.
Drogon and Ghost were the only intelligent and complex characters left by the end of Season 8.
they managed to write Drogon out of character, insted of burning the man who killed his mother he burns the chair because the plot requires him to
@lo l that's probably why everyone else was so stupid, all their wits poured onto Drogon
Haha true.
@lo l Being smart is pretty normal for dragons in almost every fantasy universe. The way Drogon reacted to Daenerys' death was just memes though lol
Just so you know guys. According to D&Ds script for the finale. Drogon accidently melted the iron throne he wasn't being intelligent or making a statement about humanity he simply was enraged and wanted to burn the world (but not Jon for some reason) and the fire accidently hit the metal chair. I shit you not this real.
Bran: "I can’t be lord of anything...I'm the Three Eyed Raven."
Meera: "Bran..."
Bran: "I’m not really...not anymore."
Except when he decides that he IS Bran, and decides he wants to be king.
And actively SEES that Daenerys might hurt innocent people in the future but he lets her just so he can rule the SIX kingdoms. Yea.. that happened.
@@marianoalberto379 I think you're right, I think Bran had the ability to see that coming because Sansa looked too comfortable for someone who's brother/cousin was going to get killed. My guess is that he told her what the outcome was going to be ahead of time so she just went along with it.
This is what annoys me the most about the whole of season 8. I listened for a whole season Bran say in his monotone voice he is the 3 eyed raven..... then boom he’s king
And he did nothing. People died to get him to become the three eyed raven and he doesn't use the power for anything. He doesn't even scout the Iron Fleet. Even if you argue that he wanted Daenarys to lose her mind, it still doesn't explain why anyone is impressed with him enough to make him king.
@@dcgregorya5434 yeah I fucking despise Bran. They destroyed his character... yet he decides to be lord of everything even though he is the three eyed raven. The three eyed raven doesn't give a fuck about some iron chair lol.
What is so sad for me is that I used to get so much enjoyment from re-watching the series. I just can't work up the enthusiasm any more because it ended so poorly.
Mark Jamie same, it sucks!
Same
Six years ago I had to do a few months in prison. I read the books so many times I knew these characters. I KNEW them. They were familiar. They were my friends. I knew which parts of their journey I wanted to read based on my mood. I can’t explain how much it disappointed me to have it end in such a way that it ruined all of that for me. You ever have a falling out with a good friend? That’s how it felt.
@@jerod5636 I really hope (for you especially) that the books - when/if they finally come - correct all the mistakes of the TV show. Here's hoping...
Mark Jamie I hope so too. We all deserved better.
My biggest gripe about GOT. Season after season, “winter is coming “! Winter over in one episode! God they ruined it
The Others should've had more time in every episode until the end because they were the bigger threat. When the Others ended so quickly, the rest of S8 didn't know what to do so they made Dany the villain!
"winter is coming"
"he wants to bring the endless night"
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can't figure out the difference so claims that the writing is wrong. lol
They didnt even depict winter properly it was more like a cold breeze..
Well.. winter came.. aaaand they had to defeat it at some point
@@SrtZipTop Yes, in one bad episode.
The weaknesses of Season 8 was NOT the actors or crew's fault. THEY were all amazing.
The failures were the writers' fault.
The majority of the cast wanted it to end so how can you say it was all on the writers?
kusali11 because they acted their asses off. Just listen to interviews they said Emila Clarke said she wanted it to succeed so much that she acted “better then I ever did, but it sadly still didn’t fix the horrible writing” It was a new interview (within the last 2 months) (I forgot what it was on, but I remember the quote)
Basically once they didnt had more books to work with... they show their total lack of writing talent, basically they where worthless without books
NovorSec I’m not hating. But how come everyone was praising got after season 7 ended and wanted season 8 right then and there. Everyone was pissed when they said no GOT for a year. Now that s8 was a flop and real lacklustre you guys are saying all of the last couple of seasons are real bad?
@@fatalxviperx4958 from season 7 to 8 they are not nad, they are just vanilla shows, not GOT, and basically its because they run out of books, so GOT just become a cliche show with the good guys winning at the end, writing it would be to long so watch this video, it shows my point of view:
ruclips.net/video/p9v_5drwU2k/видео.html
Again, not bad, but just your average Avengers movie
Season 8 felt like when you have to write the last paragraph of an essay in which you have to finish in 5 minutes and thus you compromise on quality just to finish.
The all-nighter job! Rushed, sloppy, and shit!
Expect D&D took an entire extra year just to write 6 episodes. They weren't in a time crunch.
😂 so tru
I hate when people accept the excuse "they've been working on this for ten years and want to move on".
A. D and D knew the source material when they started, they knew what they were in for.
B. The actors, 90 percent of them will ever achieve this type of success again. Saying any of them wanted to move on is bullshit.
This was a crime against humanity.
And, oh yeah, they were getting PAID to work on the damn thing. "Freaking do your job!!"
D&D are just selfish bastards
Yh that's no excuse for laziness
The greatest legacy they could have had and that shat on it for the failing star wars sequels.
These 2 would also probably jump on a sinking ship because they always wanted to go on 'that' ship
Well, it was a crime against the fans who followed the show for eight years.....
this is like the 43rd video Ive watched about this. and I dont think it will be my last.
Get a life. 😂
Same.
Read the books and you’ll never have a life without thinking about Game if Thrones
What is dead may never die
FlowerTrollSan why are u here ?
"Get a life. 😂"
Peter Dinklage's delivery of the announcement of Bran the Broken shows how little HE believes the dialogue.
I like to believe that out of shot there was a character being controlled by Bran holding a loaded crossbow pointed at Tyrion
@@user-xy4di3pd2mAnd Tyrion still allowed himself a moment of rebellion by giving Bran the epithet "the Broken". Gee, I'm sure that's what Bran always wanted to be known as.
The showrunners betrayed the actors. All that hard work ruined by a shitty last season.
@@Nethan2000 I heard they called him that in the books, so it wasn't Tyrion's idea.
most cringe worthy line EVAH.
Martin was setting up a situation where all of the conflict was running headlong into everyone starving and freezing to death, creating a severe test of choices.
The books were beginning to show this with Stannis' army beginning to freeze to death at Winterfell.
The show completely forgot Winter as a character.
GoT is a prime example of what happens when a story is given to visual artists instead of a writer.
My father and I started watching this show together. We watched every episode together. Then he passed away in January 2018. I felt all alone without him. Then I thought if I watched season 8 it would make me feel better. I thought I could watch it for both of us. After watching the final season I felt even worse but I was kind of glad that my father didnt get to see how they destroyed it. I will never forgive them for destroying my childhood.
Wiliam Forsythe you need help
@Wiliam Forsythe Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You're joking, right?
@@millerd420 If I had to guess, he's trying to poke fun at people being (rightly) not happy at how GoT turned out.
On the other hand, maybe he is telling the truth. Who knows.
@Wiliam Forsythe hey man I think u have got Insane it's just a show right not like it has some value of your life like common
@Wiliam Forsythe you better be joking
When Arya killed the Night king, it was very shallow. There was no history between her and the night king. She never even saw a white walker until that episode. And after the episode, it didn’t change her character in anyway. It wasn’t completely out the blue, but the only justification was a throw away line from like 4 seasons prior and Melisandre even had to remind her and then she was like “oh yeah blue eyes, brb”
Exactly it was stupid I don't know why people like it
Yeah, and pretty great how the guy who's entire 8 season story arc revolved around investigating and preparing for the White Walkers had nothing to do with the end of the Night King. But I suppose he was pretty busy with the important business of hiding behind rocks and yelling at things. Oh, and I'd be more on board with the idea that Arya killing the Night King wasn't completely out of nowhere if she hadn't literally materialized out of the darkness behind him, moving at an angle and speed that suggested she'd been fired out of a giant sling shot.
@@bredincaptivity4692lmao they turned game of thrones into an anime
I mean, one could make the argument that, thematicaly, Arya´s story is all about confronting death. Not saying that they didn´t royally screw this up, but I´m sure there is a version of this exact resolution that it´s actually rewarding to the viewer. Similarly to how Sansa outsmarting and decieving Litlefinger was a perfectly fitting ending for their relationship, but the way they portrayed it in the show was rushed and poorly explained.
I want to be clear about something: Melisandre telling Arya she would “close blue eyes” back in Season 3 was not foreshadowing Season 8. Calling back to Melisandre’s comment in Season 8 was a retcon of Season 3. There’s a vast difference between those two things, and the fact that the DBs (a much better moniker than “D&D) thought they would get away with that garbage makes them equal parts unforgivably lazy and unconscionably disrespectful to their audience.
The show built up Jon as a Targaryen a secret that was kept from him by his uncle the most honorable in Westeros. Just for it to LITREALLLY not matter at all in the end 🤦♂️
While simultaneously being a bad idea from the beginning.
I don’t think Jon should of became the King as it’s not in his character but still, his secret magic blood had no impact on the story.
@@marcomeme4875 They set up a ton a shit with no pay off. I'm sure someone could write a multiple page list of all the unexplained things and plots that were completely pointless.
The B yeah that’s what’s so annoying with the last season. Whenever I see a complaint I just wanna complain about 10 related things that also suck.
It actually did. It was VERY poorly handled and rushed, but Jon being a Targ was the driving force behind Dany burning Kings Landing. Jon being the true head of house Targ is why Dany decided to rule by fear. The people loved Jon (for some reason. The show made him seem like a TERRIBLE ruler) and Dany saw she would never be loved like he was (Dany always cared more about being loved then anything) and with Jon being a Targ, she knew the people would not accept her as ruler unless they feared her. The show did a poor job of showing it (most don't even know why she burned everyone), but it will be SO good in the books
You know your show has a problem when the smartest character is a dragon...
But dragons *ARE* smarter than humans.
He couldn't watch the shitty show anymore so he flew away at the end
My thing is, nobody realized that Bran was really evil. He told Jon to tell Daenerys who he really was knowing very well what would happen then in the end saying he was there to become king. He basically tricked everyone.
Lisa Campbell oh yeah. He’s not “Bran” anymore either, he’s a collection of evil tree wizards.
Basically this story is about how an evil hive mind manipulated events in order to become Big Brother to a kingdom.
The thing is that's not the case. Jon doesn't challenge this at all, or arya, or sansa.
Absolutely no one paused and said "wait... What the fuck, you premeditated all this? You allowed the city to burn you cunt! " when he claimed "why do you think I came all this way?"
Despite constantly stating he doesn't want or can't be a lord of anything. Even the most basic casual of a fan points this out but not some of the sharpest minds in this kingdom?
No, that was just idiotic screenwriting by D&D. Bran never wanted power, and everything he said at the end merely contradicted everything that came before. It was plot convenience, and every word out of his mouth sounded completely phony, because it contradicted the character's history.
So no, Bran wasn't "evil", the two screenwriters betrayed the show and the characters. Which was worse.
@@Nasmr. , I don't blame Bran. I blame the incompetent scriptwriters that had Bran say these ludicrous lines to tie everything up quickly in an incoherent and senseless knot. It's just one of dozens of betrayals of characters they committed in the last season, so they could wrap everything up and get on with their Star Wars franchise. Gotta sell those toys, ya know?
@@maskedmarvyl4774 that's what I'm saying. If the characters had any individual thought and not d+ds lazy writing of having characters just accepting the situation they're in with zero agency then they'd have questioned that line if he was actually evil.
“And who has a better story than Bran the broken?”
Everything before Season 7-8:Are we a joke to you?
Ned's head on a spike speaks up and say "Am I joke to you?"
Zboy 115 Hot Pie: “am I a joke to you?”
Night King: You should have let me win.
Ghost should have been the king
Not d&d. I’m sure bran will tell a better ending. To GOT
After thousands of years of planning the night king finally destroys the magical wall and marches a hundred thousand wights down to winterfell to kill Theon Greyjoy.
Crap story.
Hilariously and so true. The night king was trash there was no real pay off for building up the white walkers for 7 seasons.
I wonder if the books say that the night king is the source of all the other white walker's life forces - I just find it quite convenient that killing him kills them all
Michael Xz The night king isn't in the books. There's a character called the Night's King, but he's different
.........only to be killed by a teenage girl with a dagger that magical vaulted over said wights and winter walker Commanders
It took all that to defeat Theon. Obviously he was the strongest human in the got world
Season 8 felt like hermione killing voldemort in half blood prince, with umbridge being the persumed ultimate villain for a few chapters, with harry ultimatelly snapping and burning hogwarts
Harry snapping and burning hogwarts sounds kinda fun tho tbh like what a twist
As my dad told me: It's much better to have a logical, satisfying story, albeit somewhat predictable in certain places, than it is to have a completely nonsensical take on everything for its own sake.
I’d argue that the first example of dumbing down was really Stannis in Season 5. He stopped being a complex character and turned into a one note fanatic.
I hated the way they shit on Stannis.
the scene in which daario swore his sword to dany is some pretty terrible writing.
@Zoe K. This is EXACTLY the inspiration for Stannis's sacrifice of his daughter, Stannis sacrificed the only thing he loved to save the world, as he believed, it makes him heroic and tragic, but people are used to heroes sacrificing their own life and do not think....
@@zeriyx yeah I thought that was bad too. I was like he doesn't even know this chick. He just want's some of THAT like men in the real world.
Stannis, Dorne and Barristan Selmys were all terrible. I hated season 5.
Is it telling that I completely forgot about Varys and Missandei dying ??
Yes. The answer is yes,
I don't even remember gorss Varys died...
I had to say who's missandei for a sec lmao
Kinda
I knew it
Just because i watched a lot of videos about them dying and how stupid it was
Season 7 and 8 were the real red wedding. The audience were the starks.
Audience aren't stupid as starks
I think Theon and Jorah are the only characters whose endings fit their arcs. Theon’s was heart wrenching for me especially
But Theon was stabbed through his armor _of steel_ with a broken, thin piece of wood. I wish Arya had attacked (and saved Theon) at that moment. Not only would it have been more believable that she was able to jump and attack from the wall or something, it would also have made Theon somehow part of the Stark family.
Plz. Sir Jorah...:)
Theon’s death was stupid as shit
@@DixonCider954 i agree, in my opinion he shouldn't have ran into the night king but stayed and protected Bran instead. It all looked really clumsy and stupid.
@@thecarrotman7768 Further evidence of lazy writing. Absolutely no depth
Plot twist: Game of thrones season 8 isn’t the last season, Season 9 starts with most of the Kingdoms rebelling against the worst ruler they’ve ever had who has a mercenary as their master of coin for no apparent reason 😂
Drogon takes Dany's body to a red priest and she is revived and cured of her insanity. Bran reveals that he was possessed by the NK after Arya destroyed his physical body. Dany sends ravens to Jon and Arya under the name of one of her servants. They reunite and plan to take the world back from the NK.
@@rosesongoku6980 This, this is how you save the show.
@@rosesongoku6980 this is a horrible rewrite but it kills me that it's not worse than s8
Season 9 reveals Daenerys madness is caused by Varys successfully poisoning her. The independent north has difficulty generating an economy, due to the financial strain of 3 wars, lack of resources and the loss of men. Many people starve to death in the winter. Sansa is brought into direct conflict with Jon and the Free Folk as the remaining northern lords wish to take the land beyond the wall for themselves.
@@kwclass09 Due to most of the northern lords preferring Jon as king, having elected him, and with all her close advisors either gone south or having left the kingdoms, Sansa starts becoming paranoid. The northern lords quickly tire of her tyranny and rebel, led by Lord Glover who has carefully preserved his troops. They force her to choose between marrying glover's son or abdication, and the stark rule of the north is now de facto at an end. Bran the useless does nothing except maybe watch his sister's wedding night.
Whenever I see clips of Season 4 and earlier it actually feels like it was a completely different show.
It was thanks to DND, the sons of bitches.
Season 4 is easily the best season
I'd say the decline actually started at season 5, the second Tyrion got pulled into the deep sea by stonemen but survives and Jorah gets infected instead
The moment I lost all respect for the show, the scene that made me hate the showrunners was the scene jamie charging on horseback towards a dragon - I repeat- A DRAGON getting saved by bronn deus ex machina at the very last second who was nowhere near jamie and surrounded by fire, smoke & dothraki. To top it all off he was able to SWIM in full plate armor without drowning or sinking to the boddom of the lake/river. That's when I knew the nightmare was just beginning and... it turned out even worse than I imagined.
Plus the water turned from a shallow pool to the f*cking Mariana trench
yeah, and dany forgot what jamie tried to do...
Bro yes, the fucking beach was 100 feet deep four feet from the sandy shore. WTF ALSO NO ONE SWIMS IN ARMOR. Pluck those dudes.
For me, it was when Arya was stabbed repeatedly and not only lived, but seemed to have suffered no effects. She should have died!
Maybe season 8 would never have been good but it certainly could have been better
I wish seasons 7 and 8 would have at least gotten 10 episodes. Even if all the plot was exactly the same at least we woulda got some better pacing and substance.
No. Dan and Dave are talentless hacks and would have screwed it up no matter what. One of them cowrote FUCKING X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE. THERE WAS NEVER A CHANCE OF THEM DOING THIS JUSTICE. REEEEEEE!
Yeah, the content of season 8 needed to be spread out for 1 or 2 more seasons.
So true!!! Best comment!!!👍🏼
Not with D&D eying the corpse of Starwars with glee. They had one foot out the door since season 7.
Arya didn't deliver the fatal blow - D&D did that, all on their own.
@Marc Whitakay Nope
@Marc Whitakay I'm over it, GOT is dead.... still don't mean i'm not gonna say it whenever the opportunity presents itself.
@arv4572 says the guy responding to them out of pure anger lol XD
blower dungeons and dragons
Marc Whitakay You do realize the same applies to you, right? I mean obviously you cared enough to comment.
They NEVER EXPLAINED the Night king... not even who he was... but WHY he was doing what he was doing. The first 3 minutes of the shows history shows their patterns and perceived intent of commu ication, albeit through terror.
Then, nothing.
Awful.
Shame on me ... I liked it all . I read LOTR 14 times . Absolutely loved the creation ofTolkien but the movies were horrible ...UNLESS .. you realize that that the movies are not the books just loosely based on them .
I watched GOT without reading the books .... I'm sure that as much as I enjoyed the show ,the books will be much more entertaining . The books always are .
I blame the books for that one, the tv show did such a good job creating a character that doesn't appear in the books so that night king becomes the big bad, he should have been the main focus of the last season but instead they get rid of him far too early to get to the book's probable ending which would have made a lot more sense over three books.
Yea just like the new Disney Star Wars " cough cough " left you with more wah wa huh why really!
@@rayct60 at least the lotr movies were consistent and had a developed plan. I never felt hollow finishing one of them. I never felt disappointed. Its a different medium, different vision, same ideas. The hobbit trilogy on the other hand......yeesh. This is where adding new, unnecessary, and irrelevant padding screws up an adaptation.
GoT early seasons compared to later feels so inconsistent and unaligned that its near unrecognizable that its the same show other than character/location names. I didnt care about the characters because the show doesnt give you a reason to anymore. Characters are now relegated to tropes that have a predictable ending, as opposed to the juxtaposition of plot and realistic choices in the books/earlier seasons.
@@HeyyItsDaleVODS omg really?? i never was able to stay awake during any of the LOTR movies....And i love to watch porn....i mean drama's..
I actually saw the final episode in a bar. There were certain points where everyone was riveted. But when the credits rolled it was just quiet. It was like the biggest awkward silence I'd ever experienced. Like there was no feeling, no one was sure what had actually just happened.
Season 7-8 wouldve been alot better if DND took the 12 season plan HBO offered, each season a total of 10 episodes. nice pacing, more time for development and no rushing, and maybe the books wouldve come out by then
12 seasons would be too long. It'd drag. 10 would have been enough. Two seasons per book(at least the ones released) and if further books came out by then they could be worked into the tenth season.
@@Severian1 10 probably would have been perfect. The whole thing with the Night King needed to be a full season. If that ended up being season 8, it should have included Jon and Daenerys' relationship - their convergence was kinda the point of the series, at least per some things GRRM said way back in the making of the earlier seasons. I think their relationship was supposed to be epic, the thing you'd write songs about... you know, songs of Ice and Fire. Develop Daenerys slipping from rationality into more of an "end justifies the means" attitude... perhaps have her pregnant, as was foreshadowed, then due to something she blames on Cersei, she loses the child and loses her shit. THIS would be believable. Jon almost goes along with her because he's angry, too... but then he comes to his senses, and he can't stop Daenerys... then we get to the end. THAT could have been earning it.
The Night King should have been defeated in the series finale. No excuses.
One montj ago I would've agreed with you, but after watching The Dragon Demands, all the glaring flaws of season 8 can be traced all the way back to the pilot of season 1. They just had the material and weren't too far gone to just shrug it off with their own idiotic writing.
@@FrayAdjacentTX Exactly. Her snap should have been gradual. A slow burn coupled with a slow rise in the NK's attack. The dead should have torn apart winterfell then down to other castles and cities. The threat that is the WWs must be given weight. As they progress down south Sam, Brienne, Bron, Pod, Theon die raising the stakes whilst Daenerys is loosing her sanity on account of her losing more and more of her army to an enemy she didn't initially plan to face. And then close to Kingslanding Arya with Jon's help kills the NK. Cersei, at a safe distance, attacks shortly afterwards, while they've set-up camp (which gives her something to do beyond standing at windows and drinking wine) to take advantage of her enemy's weariness. Missandei dies here, final straw. Dany snaps. Burns all of the attack force and the people in the city. Jaime sees Cersei in fear and retreating and instinctively helps her. In retreating both burn. Then the Nazi speech by Daenerys, Jon kills her and the Dothraki bloodriders remaining kill him. Or Drogon burns him. Either way a better ending. Or something else just not what they gave us.
I used to rewatch GOT all the time, after season 8, I have never watched another episode. Evert thing the show was building up didnt matter in the end, the huge deal that john was a targarion. It was completely dropped.
Agreed. The quality of a show can be measured by its enjoyment for repeat viewings. Season 8 did significant damage to the show. :( I have no desire to rewatch any of the seasons now.
Couldn't agree more! seriously it's like s8 ruined the whole show :( now when watching s1 I will just be thinking about the shitty ending all the characters had
Agreed. It was so disappointing, it almost pains me to think back on how seasons 1-5 were then to think how the last 2 were. It really deserved better
It's just made me go back to the books and appreciate them more
Same bro... fking same
Also, they tried so hard to give us what they thought we wanted, without realizing that the thing we loved about GOT was that it broke our souls. I remember dreading the battle with the Night King because I knew so many characters would die, but I wasn't happy when they survived.
Most people watching were actually sad to see Sam/Brienne/Jaime alive after that courtyard scene indeed...
Summary:
Seasons 1-4: best show in TV History and will never be equalled
Season 5: less perfect than seasons 1-4 but still good elements and storytelling
Season 6: beginning of the « spectacle/shock over storytelling » switch, characters development put aside and even characters doing illogical things in regards of what they were built for, beginning of plot armor also, and blatant plot holes
Seasons 7-8: insult to the Television
xellossaxon I agree if I’d rewatch it I’d stop at the end of Season 4 or 5 and even in the first Seasons some plots were left behind and it’s a shame, the most horrible one being the house of the undying to me, or the fact they didn’t put Jaime’s revelation to Tyrion when he frees him, or even not showing Tyrion’s gray morality sense that he has in the books in some scenes, just to make him a fan favorite
, some others are due to financial matters like Tyrion’s nose not being cut at the Blackwater. I understand people that don’t like the show cuz it let down some things, I hope some day if GRRM finishes the books, there’ll be a real adaptation that stays true to the books from beginning to end
I've read fanfiction with better endings than what they came up with
Darth Daddy there’s two guys on RUclips who rewrote season 8 and oh my god each of them made it an amazing ending. I’ll have to hunt them down because it’s the only endings I accept and you may feel better about GOT 🤣
@@rf5921 I saw one that made a brilliant case for why Theon should have been the Prince that was Promised and killed the Night King. But literally anything would have been better than the Deus Ex Arya from hell.
Darth Daddy my favourite retelling is probably the simplest. Night king knocks down wall, kills everyone, sits on the iron throne covered in ice. Boom. Boring but better than season 8.
@@rf5921 Wayyyyyyy better than season 8. I actually read a fanfiction once where the conclusion had everyone retreating south and the nightking raised all the dead from every place he passed by, including the dead dragons beneath the Red Keep.
Most of the fan fiction has Daenerys as the hero. That is so far from GRRM that I laugh when I see that type of fan fiction
I still don’t get how a giant lizard understands symbolism
It doesnt. It was an accident that the iron throne got melted 😂😂
Dragons *are* smart doe
@@whitehorse8558 I'm sure I've read that they are not.
Dragons are mostly smart in fantasy, bit this ain't one of them.
@@MikeTall88 I thought it was said they were? Huh onf
Dragons are not lizards. You know nothing, Mikayla.
24:39 One of Tyrion's dumbest moves, countered only by Cercei's dumbest move. How does she not order all the siege engines to fire, with the enemy leaders standing before the walls with no cover? Hell, I think they're within arrow range as well. Someone who blew up the Sept of Baelor would not hesitate to give that order.
Even Drogon was there, just a few metres behind the ~84 Unsullied. But maybe Cersei thought "Yeah, I have thhe highground, so all I have to do now is making her angry enough to attack"? In D&D's mind, that certainly makes sense.
I think Cersei was going for long-term humiliation instead of short-term annihilation like when a predator plays with it's prey before killing it.
Also Cersei was hearing Tyrion straight whispering to her from super far away
Based on what we saw at the finale it’s Dany who should have just killed Cersei then, Drogon is clearly not phased at all by the scorpions.
Honestly the point he made around 10:00 is true. When I first watched the early seasons it was unlike anything I had ever seen, every conversation or meeting felt like I had to pay 100% attention or I would miss some important subtle detail. Later seasons felt like any other Drama show but with more horses and boobs and wow moments
Its 2020 and I'm still not over this...that's why I'm here, rewatching all videos about it..
Same... broke my heart
@@Vietnam_Chr0nicles September 2020 and still not over it!
@@anapalombini-labellesociet4037 I rewatched it (what a fool i was) and ended up depressed....again lol
@@danielhajek8047 we are all in this together. I recommend buying the books in audio version, closing your eyes and let the magic happen ;)
@@anapalombini-labellesociet4037 I am Czech and Audio versions of books (in czech) are quite weird tbh, gonna read books 100% though
They wouldn't have run out of book material so early if they didn't cut so much out.
Facts! So many characters, so many plots... not even touched...
BOOK SPOILERS BELOW
The thing I am most disappointed about was how they cut out the Young Griff/fAegon plot. He would've made a far more interesting and compelling final villain to Dany in King's Landing than Cersei ever will. And he could've made her "snap into madness" more convincing since he has the better "claim" to the throne and the people of King's Landing would never accept Dany over him. In addition, his presence could've saved the Dorne plot from being a total disaster by making Doran and Arianne ally with him and Varys would have a much greater role to play in the endgame of the series. Varys has been set up as best schemer in Westeros for so many seasons, only rivaled by Littlefinger, but the show completely stripped him of his Blackfyre master plan and dumbed him down just to kill him off easily at the last minute. Even though the books aren't finished, all the seeds and ingredients for a good story were there for the show writers but they ignored it and rushed the series quickly so they could move on. Such a waste.
@@davereyez4721
Yes, the complexity of the Dornish plot is one of my favorite parts of the latter books.
Dorne and Tyrion's adventures in Essos could've carried a single season alone. Add one the whole Northern plot line, and then the Vale Sansa plotline.
That's possibly two or more seasons right there.
@@davereyez4721 I love how I can read spoilers of things when i have never seen the show and dont have any clue who the characters are
The whole eighth season just felt so... empty. None of the big moments had the impact they should have. Like others here have been saying, characters who were in the show from the beginning would die... and it just felt empty. Whatever. That is not how I should feel. Especially with the precident they set with characters like Ned Stark, Rob Stark, Catylin, etc. These were moments that blew people's minds.
The writing got so.... bad. I don't even have a better way to explain it. It just felt like they were going through the motions just to get to the end. What a monumental disappointment.
Before season 7, I would spend hours watching GoT scenes on RUclips. I would rewatch them over and over. After the show finished, I felt too depressed to rewatch any part of the show. I still think of the show from time to time and sigh with sadness
All the characters died in Season 6 and got replaced by body snatchers.
Jon especially went from King of the North gigachad to an embarrassing laphound
Seasons 6 was trash! The show stopped being good after season 4
Yup season 6 is the real ending
@@athenajaxon2397 Season 6 was terrible! A completely different show from the gritty dark political fantasy where choices and mistakes had consequences that the first 4 seasons were. Season 6 was straight generic hollywood garbage, full of fan service and good guys vs bad guys. It was trash that appealed to stupid people
@@ben1ben2ben1 I don't agree at all and calling people who liked it stupid is a little harsh
I love how the ad I got before this video was for Grammarly: 'Writing's not that easy...'
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Ha! Very good, but I had the GoT online game ads - a subtle comment if ever.
I have series 1-7 on blu ray. They were my pride and joy the first season was even signed by Jason Momoa. I used to rewatch them over and over but they have been gathering dust for the last 2 years.
I rewatched this show so many times then season 8? I wasted my damn time....
If the show ended with Jon finding another white walker symbol with bodies beyond the wall and left the show open ended it would have slightly helped to heal the wound season 7 and 8 left
“Because the dragon understood symbolism and melted the throne.”
Not according to the script, apparently, that says the throne was nothing more than a dumb prop in the way of the dragons fire. Oof.
"You can't just throw that out the window at the last minute like it's Bran Stark or something"
This line is amazing.
Thank you for that.
You hit the nail on the head when you showed the morons in the reaction videos. GOT was never about watching it in a bar, it was about watching it in a quiet place without and disturbances or interruptions. You had to focus on the nuance of the show but all of that was removed and it turned into a sporting event.
The writers betrayed everyone. I feel they need to be prosecuted for this betrayal. There were a lot of missing pieces. I feel betrayed.
Spencer Fernando Lebotse still struggling
GoT truly died when it started to become a show that favors the generic fantasy tropes (cheap comedy, dragons, badass battles on a huge scale, gore and brutality with no rhyme or reason) instead of the intense character moments, brutal and grounded battles, tension in the character exchanges, dialogues and monologues. (Jaime and Brienne bath scene, Tyrion's confession, Mountain vs. Oberyn, etc.)
Fuck, even the cock joke Tyrion made in season one was written better than a majority of any dialogue in season eight.
Spot on. I was never a lover of the fantasy genre. Never wanted to watch Lord of the rings or Harry Potter, but when I say GoT I was hooked because it was not a run of the mill fantasy show but something so much better. The layered characters, the political intrigue. the Houses...I agree that by the end it had become the stuff I never cared for before.
GoT died when they ran out of written material and had to rely on themselves to finish it.
Night King should not, I repeat, SHOULD NOT have been killed off.
At least not until he was the big bad, but nope, too much to ask for apparently.
Jeremiah Valeska YES! THANK YOU!!! I’VE BEEN SAYING THAT THE WHOLE TIME!!!
Totally agree. He should have been the one to burn King's Landing.
The final battle with him should have been in the series finale.
and not with a fucking stealth kill heh ?!!?
I hate all the talk about "...they did not have book material..."
It's nonsense, there was tons and tons of book material to use.
The fact is, they both strangely either just chose not to utilize relevant material, or purposefully wrote their narrative in ways that rendered great book material unusable in their altered continuity threads...
Both decisions were irreparably detrimental to any logical future narrative structure and cemented the impossibility of any sense of reaching satisfying conclusions to either the characters or the plot threads that comprised a world had that so engrossed us in earlier scenes...
They get absolutely no pass whatsoever, with the whole
"no book material left" hand waving excuse...
But they didn't? The show is an adaptation of a book with immense amount of content and details, there's no way they were going to adapt everything from the books, whether seemingly important or not. I don't think there's a show or movie that's adapted everything from the source material without making changes and cuts.
With no books left to adapt it's clear they had no idea what to do next
OMG thank you! In my opinion, Littlefinger's death was the nail in the coffin for me. It was the moment when I gave the whole show the middle finger
Arya killing the night king is, hermione killing valdamort, the single most important thing in the series they messed up so bad.
@Rafael Acosta wow u went there
Arya killing the night king is the best thing on the show
Waait so Hermoine kills Voldemort? I've never seen those movies. Did the Potter showrunners also like to "subvert expectations"?
@@EvertfromNederland naw Hermione is instrumental to killing Voldy but she doesn't do the deed.
Rafael Acosta but making female characters do stuff like this for just that reason is as sexist as not doing it
When someone says season 7 all I remember is the Dothraki fighting the Lannisters
that was the high point IMO
Battle of the Loot Train. Where the fight with Cersei should have ended then they could concentrate on the Night king.
I only remember three things from Season 7: Dany nuking the Lannisters on an open battlefield, Olenna Tyrell's Parthian shot to Jaime before dying, and fine ass Missandei having sex with Greyworm.
I remember Gendry running to the Wall, a raven flying from the wall halfway down the continent and Daenerys flying up halfway across the continent to the exact spot that Jon and the gang were in one night.
@@HarryBuddhaPalm Don't forget those massive chains the Night King happened to carry in his back pocket, just in case he has to drag a dead dragon out of the water. Now THAT is what I call planning ahead.
Finally someone calls out kliganebowl for what it was ! This whole video and analysis was brilliant. The best I’ve ever seen. It articulated so many nuances that collectively made for a disastrous ending.
Thrones is how i first came across the burlington bar reactions and i still watch their throne reactions every so often
Disappointed that no answer to what happened to the babies, why does a Stark always have to be at Winterfell, what did Varys hear in the fire.
G G W I am pretty sure Varys heard Dracarys.
@@MissDemeanor83 I haven't thought of that. that could be
The Earth Is a Cylinder!! He doesn’t shave his head, he is a eunuch, and so its very possible that’s the reason he has no hair
Lack of testosterone causes hair loss, that’s why you never see a bald man.
@@meyerius ikr that's why all women are bald.
The saddest thing is we don't care. This show ended in a ridiculous manner and we don't care. We forgot about it already. It's just, whatever. And it's sad because it had the potential to be the best series ever.
Maybe we were all not expecting much after an idiotic Season 7.
Dany's death was meant too be a heart wrenching scene. this woman we all loved for 7 seasons to turn into a mass murderer. when she died. We did not feel a thing just a sigh...then we saw that fucked up dragon pit scene and the council. What bullshit. These scenes elicited more stronger emotions than Dany's death.
they could have shot an entire season centered around dany losing her mind- being aware that she's losing it and tragically being unable to keep it all under control. her death could have been shot as more tragic than whatever that thing was which ultimately aired.
It was the best series ever, just not at the end. Blame Fat George for not working harder, for being easily distracted.
@@joehawkiins8712 Exactly...her death was just...well..okay she'd died...what's next? They'd lost most of the audience by that point.
Like Lost we will not talk about GOT any more . a real pity for one fo the greatest shows of all time. To go out not with a bang but with a whimper.
I have avoided all of the wrap-up videos dissecting what went wrong with the show, but I guess I was ready to do so when this popped up as a suggestion. I'm glad I watched this video. Thanks for making and posting it-it's pretty much just how I felt and what I thought. Especially that the show deserved better. It truly did.
i've found myself finishing ur sentences before you did throughout this video. I've watched prolly hundreds of hours of youtube GoT content and you, sir, have nailed it here!
They should have got Vince Gilligan to be the new show runner. He knows how to end a series on a high note
And he understands dark drama and consequences. God, that would have been amazing, actually.
I was just thinking this. Better call saul is shaping up to be just as good as breaking bad.
Hell yes!
What like el camino biggest pile of shit ever
@@wakeup2theNWO and yet still award worthy compared to most of GOT
2019 is almost over and I'm still pissed about the ending
EDIT: 10 days into 2020 and I'm still pissed
EDIT EDIT: Monday, April 6th 2020. I am still pissed lol
EDIT EDIT EDIT: Almost a year since it ended and my fury has not abated in the slightest....
I think I may need a therapist XD
EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT: June 23rd. Started reading the books again. SOOOO much better than that ending. And yes, I am still pissed
EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT: November 7th. Despite everything happening right now, the pandemic, the election insanity, I just can't bring myself to not hate the ending still
Me too
Same and I have never even watched the show. I’ve just seen videos like this about why we h8 season 8
It's a new year and I think everyone is still gonna be pissed including me 🤣
Not only you
metoo
the best description for the end of GoT: feeling like you have to sneeze but you just never do
Season 8 was a tragedy. But I must say, i'm not afraid of getting my heart broken in relationships anymore. Not after a break up like that.
If you dont stick the landing no one will ever remember the good parts.
Season 1 : Khal drogo, a trained warrior who fights since childhood dies from a small cut on his chest but Arya '' Marie Sue '' Stark get stabbed 3x, swimming in dirty water bleeding but survived.. Ok.
Season 8 : Everyone was dying around Arya and she survived and find a white horse is there waiting for her and the way is perfectly cleared.. Ok? OK?! OK!!!
She isn't really a mary sue at all. She fails at everything except fighting.
She spends months living on the street of kings landing after her father is betrayed. And she isn't successful at this at all. She's surviving on damned pigeons when her father is executed.
She gets sold to fight on the wall. She and the other recruits struggle heavily to even survive.
She almost dies to small side characters all the time. While helped by extremely powerful teachers. She fails at getting back to her family. She fails at being a faceless.
I think what happened to Khal drogo is more of an example of being blind sighted by a low probability event (which, to be fair, has historically happened to a lot of kings during war campaigns) than the status quo for what happens when you don't dress a wound promptly.
Also, at least learn to spell Mary Sue, even if you can't get the definition right.
Haiiry Cake by that argument Rey in Starwars isn't a Mary Sue either. Rey is one of the biggest Mary Sue's in recent history and she struggled on Tatooine until the plot no longer called for it. Even the actress playing Arhya didn't believe that Arhya should have been the one to take down the night king. Arhya didn't start out as a Mary Sue but was turned into one by the time the show ended.
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Her killing the night king is the only event you have to complain about.
And that has nothing to do with her character, it has everything to do with how D and D can't write for shit.
@@Loophole23742 If anything the problem with Arya is that he skills are not used to take down Cersei and Euron. This alone prevents the last was and is also a form of security if Dany would actually go mad once in power.
But there's not much actual thought put in the last seasons. S7 the pack is what is needed, then it's suddenly forgotten again, she goes of to find out what's west of Westeros.. ugh
(Rey is too good too fast, but SW is filled with inconsistencies for years... so I don't really care. The kids who watch Rey growing up won't notice these things until later on..but GoT is targeted at a far more mature audience but it turned quite stupid)
I don’t think Jon coming back from the dead was a reversal of consequences. The show had done a good job of setting up Jon to be the main adversary of the Night King. The way I *THOUGHT* the show was going was to set up Jon being resurrected via the Lord of Light because the God NEEDED Jon alive to be able to defeat the Night King. I would have been 100% okay with Jon actually dying while fighting (but ultimately killing) the Night King. I thought that was his one purpose and once that purpose was fulfilled and he completed his character arc I was fine with him dying. In fact I would have RATHER SEEN JON SNOW DIE LIKE THAT THAN WATCHING HIM ACT LIKE AN IDIOT AND THEN GET SENT TO THE WALL??
Season 6 was when got stopped being got. The Starks were set up as the 'good guys' and at the end of season 5 they were at their lowest point. Jon died, Sansa got married to Ramsay, Arya went blind, Rickon was captured by Ramsay and Bran was absent for the whole season. But in season 6 Jon gets ressurected really early on with no consequences, manages to take back winterfell in an epic battle, wins over the people of the North and gets crowned King in the north. These 2 seasons follow the stereotypical formula of the bad guys having an initial advantage, good guys going through tough times and then eventually beating the bad guys as underdogs.
my new hobby is watching GoT teardown vids
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its been months and I kind of forgot to stop watching
There is a new hobby in town: "Reaction to Jinjer - Pisces" videos 😂
Last two seasons felt like a star wars movie.
It felt to me that Disney paid D&D to sabotage the show on purpose.
Oscar S checkmate 🤣
😂 this. This is the one
Don't compare Season 8 to Star Wars. Even The Last Jedi was better than season 8.
Dylan Arthur STAR WARS HAS BEEN SHIT SINCE EPISODE 1 CAME OUT!!!!
I think the best examples of seeing what Game of Thrones began as and what GOT ultimately became was the Battle of the Blackwater and the Battle of Winterfell. During Blackwater, there is fighting but the majority of the episode is about the characters and their struggles dealing with the battle. The Hound realizing he no longer wants to kill and deserts his king. Tyrion rallying the soldiers for a counterattack. They lose all hope, at one point Cersei almost kills her son in order to spare him the pain of being captured. Then at the end, they are saved by Lord Tywin and the Tyrells. The Battle of Winterfell has no character development. At no point in the battle do you truly believe that the battle is lost. Most of the episode is dedicated to the action on the battlefield. Hardly any dialogue. The episode relies almost solely on visuals. It is there to entertain the masses.
17:20 Technically speaking, Bran doesn't end up sitting on the Iron Throne, since it got...you know
the last battle at kings landing wasn't even a battle. It was a slaughter. As if lannister men can't even fight back. Or the golden company which was very dissapointing how they died
They were unlucky. Somehow they lost their 2,000 horses, so what should they do?
The point you made about being able to watch Thrones in a loud bar was just *chef’s kiss*
Dead on. Saying it went from about the story to about the spectacle is a perfect summation
I've read all the books, and seen all of seasons one to five; plus odd bits of season six and a few clips from seven. Enough to warn me to stop. I'm going to leave it there, and count myself amongst the lucky few to have the best of GoT in my memory.
How could such a great production team have got it SO wrong when they took the story line over from George RR? You wouldn't think they could have filmed it that well, if they understood what the books were doing, so little.
When they are excused by people saying "Well, they didn't have any source material from the books any more.", that's just wrong because they also threw out the developments, events, actions/consequences and character arcs of all that went before!!
You literally spoke everything on my mind about the show. THANK YOU
They way they did littlefinger was so poorly written and executed I knew it was the beginning of the end. I'm not a littlefinger fanboy but this dude was a major player and a master of sneaky shit and they ruined his story line in such a pathetic way.
Stannis Baratheon got fucked over too
An amazing villain who deserved a more important death .
Littlefinger and Varys should have been there to the bitter end.
Littlefinger to the long list of character being shit upon. Stannis, Littlefinger, Jaime, Dany,
Breaking Bad ended in five seasons because continue it will be like this game of thrones an walking dead.
In the space of 30 seconds D&D turned Dani [Henry Tudor-like and GoT's most popular character) into Genghis Khan. I always knew D&D knew nothing about warfare, medieval or otherwise. Now I know that they are also ignorant of how mental diseases manifest themselves. No light switches in the brain. There is no Season 8 in my mind.
Ever miss the last season or last episode of a TV series and all your friends tell you not to watch them/it? Yeah, like that.
A guy at my work has never watched it and he asked me if I should. I said to him watch seasons 1-6 and come up with your own conclusion as to what happens in the end
@@patwaddington Exactly. Seasons 1-6 are the best. George R.R. Martin was a conscientious objector in the Vietnam War. Nothing wrong with that. But season 7 and especially season 8 seems to be a statement right out of the 60s band song "War". Namely, the song that goes "WAR! HUH! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR! ABSOLUTELY NUTHIN'!"
Except that sometimes there ARE "Good Wars" that DO accomplish something good. The Wars of the Roses (Insane kings). The US Civil War (End Slavery). WWII (destroy the Nazis). Just to name a few.
The George R.R. Martins of the world have no end of trouble remembering this fact.
Until the last two episodes of the series, the various wars (except those by the Lannisters and the Baratheons) WERE Good Wars. Then the writers had to use "Writers' Preference" to turn the sharpest mind in the World of George R.R. Martin into a complete sociopath.
Juicelad Henry v111 was pretty much Ghengis Khan. In fact better, at least he didn’t murder his wives.
This wouldn't happend if Martin ended his books.
Or if they adapted the book properly, the destroyed Jaime arc, destroyed Dorne, Essos, Riverlands, removed Aegon storyline.
They stop caring in season 4, people just accepted now you're seeing the end result.
@Jordan Holmes upto season 6 it was good, very good
@Jordan Holmes I liked upto season 6 though
Also they completely butchered Euron's storyline, in the books he's probably the scariest most irredeemable character. In the show he's a camp pirate, what a waste.
The night king should have decimated winterfell and continued on to kings landing, and only a few characters survive. The Night King could have done the same thing to Bran that he did to the baby in season 4. Lost potential.
Not to mention Arya could have travelled to King's Landing instead of Winterfell in season 7, and when she gets there Cersei is fighting a war with the people of King's Landing. She sneaks into the castle the same ways that she escaped, remembers the boy she killed (pathos and callbacks done right), and maybe even witness Cersei with Lannister loyalists escape in a boat. Then Danaerys could have arrived at King's Landing and, instead of a battle, she simply sits the throne. This could have been the middle of season 7.
Then Cersei is arrested by her own family and offers her to Danaerys at the end of season 7, brought back to King's Landing and is going to be executed publicly as Ned was. Ugh. And I'm just an amateur writer.
There is no such thing as a professional writer, you did well and a little imagination based on the essence of the source material is all you need. Yes, then after Cersie's excecution, everyone starts preparing for the battle with the night king, who Jon kills and then goes on to challenge Dany for the throne, being the righful heir, then jon gives the throne to Gendry Borathion
I will say it again Vince Gilligan should've been hired to do the GOT ending. The director responsible for BB delivered one of the best endings I've ever seen
SavageRicktator Dude, omfg, thank you! I brought this up at work and got nothing but autistic expressions.
Seriously!! But of course, you can say the same thing about Gilligan and ANY show... But holy fuck, could you imagine how epic that would've been?? Just bring him on as a writing consultant for God's sake!
Agreed. BB is the only show that comes to mind when I think of a satisfying ending. I'm sure there's others, but easily head and shoulders above the rest.
calliph six feet under has the best finale
Maybe, yeah. Lets not forget the actors doing a stand-up job though. I've never directed anything before but I'm sure your actors play an enormous role in the success of episode. The script is pretty forgettable though, all I can really remember is Jesse's struggle and the machinegun in the car, the fact that that's all I remember doesn't make it one of the best endings ever. Then again my memory is pretty awful. Different folkes different strokes.
No no, Drogon didn’t understand symbolism. He read the script and wanted to make way for Brans Wheelchair.
This is the best, fairest review I have seen about season 8. Very good job!
This show is a thesis on why pacing is important.
good point. it can be used as an example of what not to do.
The way this show ended, it's impossible for me to rewatch. The journey from seasons 1-6 was amazing, but 7 and 8 were pretty bad. I didn't want to believe season 7 was bad at the time. I figured they sped up the pacing and the final season would pay off. By the time season 7 came around, the main characters had plot armor. In season 8, series building character arcs were destroyed in a single episode. Dany's demise made no sense. I believe GRRM wanted her to get to that point, but it made no sense in the show. She went from saving humanity in episode 3 to killing a city of innocent people in episode 5, right after the armies surrendered.
The showrunners massacred the show because they decided to rush to an ending in 6 episodes that should have been built up in about 3 or 4 more seasons. Fuck D&D.
JJ Nail on the fucken head. Been looking for the right words to describe my dismay with season 8 and this, this is it. 👍
3 or 4 more seasons? 😂 They could have done it in 2. They already had a bit of what they needed in denaerys' personality. All they had to do was kill off important characters around her and show her slowly going over the edge. Instead, jorah and missandei die and that somehow justifies her going off the edge in basically 2 episodes.
JJ, couldn’t agree more.
Yeah I was in complete denial and making excuses until season 8 episode 3. Episode 2 was so nice, it reminded us why we loved these characters and was a great way to say goodbye before (I thought) most of them died in episode 3. Episode 2 wasn't written by D&D. They take over writing in episode 3 and that's when I realized they completely ruined the best show ever made. Fuck D&D!
@@kingvince7328 They could have made ANY of the characters go mad with all of what they experienced and what was in their personality. I mean, Cercei, Arya, Sansa, Jon & Theon were much more traumatized than Dany to trigger their personality traits for example. Any of these characters could have gone mad based on this. Why is there so much of a double standard around Dany's madness? Of all of the Targaryens, there were only a couple that could be considered to have gone mad. There is too much stock put into "Every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin". There isn't even proof to back it up because at least 45% of them would have had to go mad to make that statement have any kind of meaning. It's like we look for the smallest things with Dany and ignore the huge things with everyone else. This is an example of being led through misperceptions instead of what really is.
I like that you talk about consequences because while I agree, it’s also one of the biggest gripes I have with this show. Almost every time a "good” character makes a mistake, they die or have something absolutely tragic happen to them. Ned makes the mistake of "honorably" telling cercei that he’s going to out her biggest secret so that she has the opportunity to save her children beforehand, This gets him killed. Robb goes back on his word to Frey because he falls in love and has a child on the way, this gets him and his love ones killed. Sansa dreams about marrying a king or prince and becoming a true queen/lady. She gets her wish numerous times but finds out that a king or prince can be evil the hard way (won’t go into it all but Joffrey, Ramsey.) even tyrion was supposed to be a slight to her since he’s a dwarf (she doesn’t know him like we do). I’m obviously mainly talking about the starks but there’s plenty of other examples. Oberyn wanted to get justice for his sister being brutally raped and murdered plus his infant niece and nephew being murdered too. He beats the mountain but whether you agree or not, he wasn’t satisfied with just getting justice on the mountain. He also wanted him to confess that Tywin have him the order in the hopes that the mountains confession would inform the world what a monster Tywin is and that he deserves justice too. Was it smart to let his guard down near the mountain because he was trying to out Tywin? Not at all. But he gets brutally murdered as well even though he won that fight (you can argue all you want that (it’s not over till it’s over so technically the mountain won, but miss me with that shit. He beat the mountain. You can’t convince me otherwise.) and there’s plenty more "side characters” who were in the right that ultimately lost too. But I bring all this up to say what about cercei? And I don’t mean "she’s so evil, why is she still alive!?) no no no.. cercei made SO many mistakes just like characters I just listened. Maybe even more AND worse. But I’ll only talk about one, but imo is the worst mistake she made. She was solely responsible for putting the high sparrow/faith militant/church back in power because she wanted to use it against her enemies. This obviously backfired on her in a huge way. But what were her consequences really? Being locked up and treated poorly until she confessed? Yes that’s bad, but the same thing was happening to loras and Margery who were way more undeserving of it than her. Then there’s the infamous "walk of shame”. Terrible? Absolutely. But that’s literally the worst consequence she gets after all the evil shit just done and mistakes she’s made UP TO THAT POINT. My point is that if any of the "good” characters made even half the mistakes she made (especially if their name is stark) she’d get killed. Why does Cersei get to make mistake after mistake and compared to the other (better) characters, have very little consequences? And then she blows up the temple of the most famous religion of her people (with innocent people inside) with wildfire. Like that wouldn’t make people storm the red keep to try to kill her?! Anyway that was my biggest issue with the show when I started watching it after season 3.
It kills me that there wasnt a better ending! You're right, so many awesome storylines I needed to see through, didnt get resolved. There were so many loose ends and plotholes. D&D ended it the way they did because they couldnt write the ending. GRRM cant write the ending. And if he cant, no one can. However, I saw lots of fan fiction that was way better than the ending and that was part of the problem. D&D were reading the fan fiction and didnt want any of it to be right. And that limited their options. They shouldnt have read it at all, but I think they were looking for inspiration. It's almost like D&D got pissed off at the fans and sabotaged the ending out of spite. I know they were already getting trashed on youtube before season 8. I just dont see how they could bomb that bad unless they did it on purpose. But the actual blame ought to be placed on GRRM. He was supposed to supply the material and he didnt. And even if he couldnt write the book, he could have written the show. He couldve helped with the dialogue, pointed them in the right direction. He sure as hell wasnt working on WOW. Its dumb af to create a television series on material that has no ending! That's a recipe for disaster. George dropped the ball. Nobody had any idea how to finish this story. But what they could have done was wrap up the story with answers from the books' history, which was there in abundance. That would've satisfied me.